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In India, again talking about the prospects for the purchase of Su-57

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In India, they again raised the question of the possibility of acquiring Su-57 aircraft from Russia. This is due to the opening of the International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2019 in the Moscow Region.




The head of the Indian Air Force, Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa, was asked about the prospects for India's possible return to the joint program with Russia for the creation of the 5 generation FGFA fighter. Marshal Dhanoa replied that the Indian Air Force would discuss such a possibility only after the Su-57 were adopted by the Russian Air Force. It is reported by the Indian media ZeeNews.

The Indian media further emphasizes that the Turkish president is showing interest in the Su-57. Today, VO reported that at the MAX-2019 site, Vladimir Putin and Recep Tayyip Erdogan jointly examined the latest Russian fighter.

In this regard, two information vectors can be distinguished in the Indian press.

The first can be described something like this: "You do not need to pay attention to the" advertising "moves on the part of Russia regarding the Su-57, since so far this fighter cannot be attributed to the 5 generation."

Second: “While we are weighing the pros and cons, other countries either produce the 5 generation fighters themselves, or participate in production cooperation and development.”

In this case, the reference goes, for example, to China, which is engaged in the production of its J-20 and at the same time acquires aircraft of the 4 ++ Su-35 generation from Russia. In the same China, they are also thinking about the possibility of acquiring the Su-57 in the form of a limited batch (“for the study of technology”).

Recall that earlier India officially suspended its participation in the FGFA project, putting forward a number of claims to Russia on the characteristics of the fighter - and this was at a time when the Su-57 had not yet managed to go into systematic tests.
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  1. Kontrik
    Kontrik 27 August 2019 18: 33
    +15
    Let Raphael buy in three roads and finally leave us alone .. negative We have Erdogan away now and his tongue clicks with envy .. laughing
    1. yehat
      yehat 27 August 2019 18: 40
      +19
      the French eventually rolled out the price tag for their rafals, which is slightly higher than the penguin now.
      The Indians were shocked at first, and asked how? And the French referred to the real expensive service and quality and small lot sizes (36). There will truly be retribution if they buy these rafals. The Chinese are already rubbing their hands pretty much - they will equip about 50 with their J-20 and a couple more simpler fighter regiments.
      1. Avior
        Avior 27 August 2019 22: 37
        0
        the French eventually rolled out the price tag for their rafals, which is slightly higher than the penguin now.

        He was always so tall.
        Look at the price of aircraft of the past Indian competition
        https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon
        There is a table of participants with prices for 2011 year
      2. Nycomed
        Nycomed 28 August 2019 04: 38
        -1
        Well, China will not supply weapons to India. China, rather, perhaps would be glad to ship all this to Pakistan, so they have no money. Ask the Saudis? Not the fact that they will. what
    2. smershxnumx
      smershxnumx 27 August 2019 18: 59
      +2
      India again raised the question of the possibility of acquiring Su-57 aircraft from Russia

      Let Raphael buy in three roads and finally leave us alone ..

      The fact of the matter is that they will take out the mosk to everyone - both us and the French ... And they will buy J-20 from the Chinese !!!
      For other weapons - the same! A comrade complained - they have not been able to sign a ready-made contract for two years now - the gypsies are capricious (either the color is not the same, then the rockets are not cooled - they burn their hands in the sun during installation, then the control center is not equipped with a coffee machine and vaashpe - "we'll look for a cheaper price if you don't want to to transfer technology to us completely ") ... Hemorrhoids, not buyers ...
      1. Warrior-80
        Warrior-80 27 August 2019 19: 33
        +25
        I think you are far from right that India would buy J-20 from the Chinese, it is almost the same as Ukraine would start buying 35 from us. These are geopolitical enemies, India will never buy anything from China, if not bake
      2. venik
        venik 27 August 2019 19: 39
        +2
        Quote: smerx24
        And they will buy J-20 from the Chinese !!!

        =======
        Yeah! Right now !!! They (the Chinese) cannot build the right quantities for themselves! Yes, plus more - THAT is still the 5-th generation ... Even the 4-ku does not pull!
        1. Letun
          Letun 28 August 2019 08: 07
          0
          Quote: venik
          They (the Chinese) cannot build the right quantities for themselves!

          You do not confuse the country? Exactly China mean? laughing
      3. loki565
        loki565 27 August 2019 20: 38
        +9
        China? campaign you do not vkurse geopolitics. China is a partner of Pakistan and with India they have a strain.
      4. Arhip smith
        Arhip smith 27 August 2019 21: 42
        +5
        Quote: smerx24
        India again raised the question of the possibility of acquiring Su-57 aircraft from Russia

        Let Raphael buy in three roads and finally leave us alone ..

        The fact of the matter is that they will take out the mosk to everyone - both us and the French ... And they will buy J-20 from the Chinese !!!
        For other weapons - the same! A comrade complained - they have not been able to sign a ready-made contract for two years now - the gypsies are capricious (either the color is not the same, then the rockets are not cooled - they burn their hands in the sun during installation, then the control center is not equipped with a coffee machine and vaashpe - "we'll look for a cheaper price if you don't want to to transfer technology to us completely ") ... Hemorrhoids, not buyers ...

        What are you, the Indians will not be able to buy aircraft from the Chinese even at 2 prices. It’s the same thing that the United States would sell Russia, for example, the F-35, you understand the utopian nature even of the possibility of such negotiations ...
      5. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 27 August 2019 23: 11
        +3
        ,, Hemorrhoids, not buyers ,,
        Gypsies, sir ..
        In this case, why not invite the Pakistani military attache to the factory where they make ,, Su-57? .. :-)
        Just! Well, a normal man. Let him come, drink vodka in the design bureau, take him to the bathhouse .. They will order a girl there .. The case is young, as they say. :-)
        But how after this the gypsies run in and get hysterical!? .. :-)
    3. smart ass
      smart ass 27 August 2019 22: 03
      +6
      Why every 2 of the day to write news about the thoughts of the Indians? What's the point of this?
    4. Letun
      Letun 28 August 2019 08: 05
      0
      Quote: Kontrik
      Let Raphael buy in three roads and finally leave us alone ..

      Yes, you are just a born businessman ...
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 27 August 2019 18: 34
    +1
    Really already "got" everyone, it's not even funny anymore ... stop
  3. Orkraider
    Orkraider 27 August 2019 18: 35
    +9
    Wow!!!
    As it turns out, it may already be interesting again when someone else buys. But it’s good, there are more orders, more release, and we can release more for ourselves))) The truth is not soon, but when they mature, and only buy, without joint programs))) The main thing is that the letter "E" really make sense .. and not all the secrets were gone ..
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 27 August 2019 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: Orkraider
      The truth is not soon, but when they mature, and only buy, without joint programs

      Whatever happens as with the submarine provided by the SGA for study!
  4. Egorovich
    Egorovich 27 August 2019 18: 36
    +14
    In a large family, they don’t clap haarenka. Hindus are exactly jumping to be the last in line at Su-57.
    1. Nestorovich
      Nestorovich 28 August 2019 06: 12
      -4
      is the queue very long? Have you ordered an 3000 aircraft yet?
  5. Piramidon
    Piramidon 27 August 2019 18: 37
    +9
    In India, again talking about the prospects for the purchase of Su-57
    Well, gypsies are gypsies. They walk around the mare, now they look in the teeth, now under the tail, then look what kind of mare the neighbor bought.
    1. demo
      demo 27 August 2019 18: 53
      +6
      Gypsies are a people who left the territory of modern India.
      Tsy people from the banks of the Ganges River.

      And those that remained are a form of lazy and silly second-rate boobies.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 27 August 2019 19: 29
        +13
        Quote: demo
        Gypsies are a people who left the territory of modern India.
        Tsy people from the banks of the Ganges River.

        And those that remained are a form of lazy and silly second-rate boobies.

        Judging by those "immigrants from India" who roam our streets, I would not say that they are very hardworking.
        1. demo
          demo 27 August 2019 19: 59
          +4
          These are the most hardworking. Loafers remained at home.
          1. Amin_vivec
            Amin_vivec 27 August 2019 22: 22
            +2
            recently there was an article about Indian chain mail, they did beautiful things before, especially I liked weaving with chopped rings - with a "crossbar" - quitters? oh, not a fact! They don't look for easy ways - Inventive, devils)))))
          2. bayard
            bayard 27 August 2019 22: 29
            0
            Quote: demo
            These are the most hardworking. Loafers remained at home.

            The very ones that roam the streets in our country were gathered from all over India (sorcerers who corrupted and robbed simpletons under hypnosis) by Tamerlane and sold into slavery. To Algeria. 10 thousand, if memory serves ... They rebelled not wanting to work (in Algeria), covered the guards, took up arms and got ... well received ... fled through Gibraltar. To Europe . And so to Russia.
            But Tamerlan didn’t catch everyone, so they bred again - more than ever.
            And they are all lazy people, for they are from the caste of outcasts / untouchables.
        2. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich 27 August 2019 23: 13
          +1
          ,, that they are very hardworking ,,
          And what smelly !!!! Judging by the crews of the ships that entered our port.
      2. tol100v
        tol100v 27 August 2019 19: 38
        +1
        Quote: demo
        And those that remained are a form of lazy and silly second-rate boobies.

        Loving to play big buyers with a rollback.
      3. Nycomed
        Nycomed 27 August 2019 20: 32
        -3
        Yeah, those who left were obviously smarter. feel
  6. Horst78
    Horst78 27 August 2019 18: 38
    +1
    The Indian media further emphasizes that the Turkish president is showing interest in the Su-57.
    Well, it would be right away
  7. Horst78
    Horst78 27 August 2019 18: 40
    +5
    Quote: Kontrik
    Let Raphael buy

    And they ruin them like Jaguars and Su-30 with such technical maintenance.
  8. senima56
    senima56 27 August 2019 18: 42
    +9
    Dealing with Indians is more expensive! fool negative They, of course, have money "like a makhorka fool", but they will exhaust their brains so much .... that you will give it away for nothing, but also pay extra! lol lol lol
    1. Arhip smith
      Arhip smith 27 August 2019 21: 48
      +2
      Quote: senima56
      Dealing with Indians is more expensive! fool negative They, of course, have money "like a makhorka fool", but they will exhaust their brains so much .... that you will give it away for nothing, but also pay extra! lol lol lol

      And yet, the Indians remain the largest buyers of our weapons, and more or less for real money without large loans. Based on these successes, IMHO, we have specialists in negotiations with these dancing "bloodsuckers" :)
  9. Graz
    Graz 27 August 2019 18: 54
    +2
    no, I’m already dead, I’ll now buy on the basis common to all buyers in the order of the submitted applications, without any discounts
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 27 August 2019 18: 56
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      no, I’m already dead, I’ll now buy on the basis common to all buyers in the order of the submitted applications, without any discounts

      Is the queue big?
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 27 August 2019 19: 41
        -2
        Quote: Town Hall
        Is the queue big?

        Do not worry lined up! This is a ready-made and tested product, unlike the advertised and forcibly slurred raw Fu-35!
        1. Mark9103
          Mark9103 28 August 2019 02: 33
          -2
          You, it seems to me, have mixed them up a little in some places. Of course f35 is still difficult to call a completely finished product, but still 12 experienced su-57 can not be compared with more than two hundred serial, already in service with the air force of several f35 countries. I now do not compare these two aircraft in terms of their combat potential (su57 in theory, how a clean fighter unambiguously exceeds f35, the 35 was originally created not as a fighter, but as a multi-purpose attack aircraft, for air battles the US Air Force has f22 and f15), but to say that Su57 is currently a more efficient machine than f35 is very foolish of you.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 August 2019 18: 56
    +6
    As these Gypsies got tired, an increase in the cost per unit of equipment relies on this.
    1. K-612-O
      K-612-O 27 August 2019 20: 25
      +4
      As compensation for non-pecuniary damage caused in a particularly cynical form laughing
  11. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 27 August 2019 19: 01
    +2
    In the same China, they are also thinking about the possibility of acquiring the Su-57 in the form of a limited batch (“for the study of technology”).

    That is, now is the Chinese copy-paste so called?
  12. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 27 August 2019 19: 08
    +4
    Heh, it will be ridiculous to look at the tricks and convulsive wobbles of the Indians, if Russia and Turkey enter into a contract for the supply of Su-57 laughing
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 27 August 2019 19: 14
      0
      Lord of the Sith hi and all this goes! Only the Turks want not only airplanes, but also localization in their own home to release! Ah, that automatically means technology transfer to them! !!
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 27 August 2019 20: 23
        +4
        Hindu many technologies flowed with the localization of Su-30 and T-90? As they are tinkering with their Tejas and a tank, they already forgot what they call, they will be tinkering with.
      2. Amin_vivec
        Amin_vivec 27 August 2019 22: 28
        +2
        Wanting is not harmful, the Americans partially "localized" the production of the F-35 in Turkey - they were entrusted with the cockpit lamp)))) we localize and we manufacture any high-tech stealth nuts, or the same cockpit lights - they have experience) )))
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty 27 August 2019 19: 13
    -1
    So, Erdogad, in fact, has already begun to ring the topic, asking Putin about the possibility of buying Su57! Hearing is already about preferential creed, however, the Turks and technology want to receive (or the United States through the Turks)!
  14. Aliken
    Aliken 27 August 2019 19: 56
    +3
    I read about the Indians, and remember their films.
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 27 August 2019 20: 04
    -1
    Who can say what kind of beast there is, a fifth generation fighter ??? Whoever saw him, so Schaub for sure - It's OH !!! -
    1. Kontrik
      Kontrik 27 August 2019 20: 50
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      so Schaub for sure - It's OH !!! -

      It's him ! hi
    2. Kerensky
      Kerensky 28 August 2019 00: 07
      +2
      Whoever saw him, so Schaub for sure - It's OH !!! -

      Recently in Voskresensk (Svetlaya 1) I watched his "antics and jumps". It's him.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 August 2019 06: 56
        0
        Suppose the one that we, as it were, saw, more than once .... only it does not say that it is "he"!
        A muddy topic ... it seems that until the striped ones squeeze out of their own, who, as it were, is "he", at least something "onoshny", we will not understand what and what a "beast" it is !!!
        1. Kontrik
          Kontrik 28 August 2019 18: 25
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Suppose the one that we, as it were, saw, more than once .... only it does not say that it is "he"!

          Do you think this is IT? Want to talk about it wassat
  16. asura
    asura 27 August 2019 20: 13
    0
    In the same China, they are also thinking about the possibility of acquiring the Su-57 in the form of a limited batch (“for the study of technology”).


    The Chinese can’t sell anything else. They are already insolently creeping into the inner kitchen of the regions of Russia. We will cry even with this ally.
    1. Amin_vivec
      Amin_vivec 27 August 2019 22: 30
      0
      it is possible - only a limited batch of 1000 units. Payment before the start of construction. Delivery after the construction of the last aircraft))))
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 27 August 2019 20: 17
    +6
    Indians dance themselves! To abandon the joint project of the 5 generation fighter is not in favor of another project, but in favor of stopping the development of the Air Force. Regressive development is also development!
  18. bk316
    bk316 27 August 2019 20: 20
    0
    Damn, when will these dancers calm down. Leave the nasty wassat
  19. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 27 August 2019 20: 24
    -1
    Well, here the Indians pulled themselves up after the Turks
  20. Masha
    Masha 27 August 2019 20: 34
    +1
    In this regard, two information vectors can be distinguished in the Indian press.

    they themselves do not know what they want ... yes
    1. cniza
      cniza 27 August 2019 20: 55
      +3
      We would be happy if we knew ... lol
  21. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 27 August 2019 20: 38
    0
    Quote: Tol100v
    Quote: Town Hall
    Is the queue big?

    Do not worry lined up! This is a ready-made and tested product, unlike the advertised and forcibly slurred raw Fu-35!


    fi-35 then raw .. but already 3000 pcs. contracts for them in total one way or another .. fact! ... and for su-57-less than a hundred in total, and then for myself, a fact! means what? means that Thu very effective managers can’t even sell a product superior to their competitors .. at least to someone ..
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 28 August 2019 00: 52
      0
      In India, again talking about the prospects for the purchase of Su-57
      In our country they constantly talk about it, and in response to Edik they show the plane and offer it.
  22. cniza
    cniza 27 August 2019 20: 54
    +4
    In India, again talking about the prospects for the purchase of Su-57


    By God, like gypsies ...
  23. E.S.
    E.S. 27 August 2019 21: 12
    +2
    Now, Paktstan is once again piling them up - they will be more accommodating
    1. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
      Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 28 August 2019 07: 43
      +1
      Wait, there will begin a new wave of confrontation over the disputed state of Jammu and Kashmir.
      Due to the withdrawal by India of autonomy powers and other state preferences.
      Oh, something and someone is setting fire.
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 27 August 2019 21: 32
    +7
    The Indians have now somewhat changed the situation. If before we tried to sell them in the eastern bazaar, now the SU-57 is sold in the Russian market. There were no loud cries here. if you do not want to buy, go by.
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  26. mortido
    mortido 27 August 2019 21: 53
    +3
    Quote: Aliken
    I read about the Indians, and remember their films.

    I also remembered: "Jim, Jimi, Acha! Jim, Jimi, Acha!" smile
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  28. Angelica
    Angelica 28 August 2019 04: 34
    -2
    There is no big problem in that we will sell the latest aircraft to foreign buyers.
    Despite the progress in world science and technology, the role of man in the war is still great.
    At least, the sale of the latest weapons will give the military-industrial complex the necessary financial resources for further development.
  29. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 28 August 2019 07: 38
    0
    Offer Pakistan and Bangladesh to buy these devices.
    At least 10 pieces per brother.
    And there let the Hindu fly to Rafal.
    SU-57 will show itself again.
    But the question of the speed of establishing the quantity and speed of production, as always, comes first.