Utes cliff missile system rearm on other missiles

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The underground rocket complex Utes, an underground base located in the Crimea, will be re-equipped with another missile in the future. This was reported by TASS with reference to the statement of the Director General - General Designer of the NPO Mechanical Engineering Alexander Leonov.

Utes cliff missile system rearm on other missiles




According to Leonov, repair and restoration work at the complex was completed this spring, and the issue of its rearmament to other missiles is currently under consideration. True, he did not explain exactly which missiles are considered as a replacement for the Progress missiles that are in service with the complex.

Successful launches after the work showed the readiness of the complex to protect the Crimean coast. Therefore, for some time he will work with Progress missiles. In the future, the complex will be re-equipped with new rocket models

- explained the general director of the NGO engineering.

The Cliff coastal missile system (during the years of the USSR, Object-100, or “weaving”) was created in 1957 in the area of ​​Cape Ayia. The complex, consisting of two divisions, handed over to the Ukrainian Navy after the collapse of the USSR, fell into decay: one division was mothballed, the second completely fell into the sky. Restoration work began in 2014 immediately after the reunification of the peninsula with Russia. Cliff’s readiness to protect the Crimean coast was confirmed by successful missile launches during the exercises.

The Utes complex, which was created in Soviet times, is equipped with P-35 cruise anti-ship missiles with a firing range of up to 300 km, and with the 1982 of the year, the modification of this missile with an increased Progress range. However, these missiles are already outdated and the issue of re-equipping the complex with modern weapons is currently being considered.

The flight range of the anti-ship missile Progress is up to 460 km. The Cliff complex is also used to launch target missiles.
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  1. -34
    27 August 2019 16: 36
    That is, de facto there is only one division with missiles of the maize era, which gave Crimea a certain ukroine? ?? belay
    1. +16
      27 August 2019 16: 50
      The whole complex was put in order, there was even a video from the exercises. And the missiles were changed to 82, it is written in the article.
      1. -28
        27 August 2019 16: 55
        By 612-0-so they also have an expiration date! It is a pity that the second division is lost, irrevocably. ...
        1. +3
          27 August 2019 17: 02
          Why is it lost? And as for the missiles, the main thing here is to combine control systems, PU and everything else, although granite should fit
        2. +14
          27 August 2019 18: 01
          Quote: Thrifty
          By 612-0-so they also have an expiration date!

          Have you checked their deadline (when it comes out and how long it will last), or just blurted out and again will be indignant here about the "cons"? To which you react very painfully. Do not drive a blizzard - there will be no downsides. Don't you think that you are trying to add a portion of your "fertilizers" to every news item?hi
    2. +3
      27 August 2019 16: 54
      Quote: Thrifty
      with cornfield rockets

      "since 1982, a modification of this extended-range Progress missile."
      Already Lenya made ends meet that year. They didn’t even think about the "corn man".
      1. +11
        27 August 2019 18: 41
        Both missiles and launchers will most likely be new. The main thing in the complex is the underground communications in the mountain and the infrastructure in them. And missiles and launchers can be from "Onyx" and "Zircon". The main thing for this complex is security.
    3. +5
      27 August 2019 17: 45
      In the 82nd modernized - which Khrushchev?
    4. +2
      27 August 2019 19: 17
      Quote: Thrifty
      That is, de facto there is only one division with missiles of the maize era, which gave Crimea a certain ukroine? ?? belay

      There are also mobile launchers P-35 - SCRC "Redut". In 2016, there was a report by Zvezda about the shooting of this complex in Kamchatka.
    5. +7
      27 August 2019 20: 20
      Quote: Thrifty
      That is, de facto there is only one division with missiles of the maize era, which gave Crimea a certain ukroine? ?? belay

      De facto, there is the Russian Crimea and the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol on an ongoing basis. And anti-ship missiles in the Crimea are not only in these mines.
  2. +4
    27 August 2019 16: 40
    A worthy weapon of its time. Let's see what will happen next. There is something in it that is brutally vulgar - powerful. Type an ax against a sword.
    1. +7
      27 August 2019 18: 17
      Quote: Popov Konstantin Ivanovich
      Type an ax against a sword.

      At Progres, if it does not change the sclerosis, the SU was with the opening of the sight at a distance and TR at the operator's commands. There is a question of electronic warfare and jamming environment. Change your head? leaving a huge "body"? - Also not an option.
      Therefore, you need to imperceptibly, far and powerfully, and even according to the principle: "" shot and forgot! "(Or scored! (?). Better yet, that 10 KR pieces on the tape drum were always at hand ... Here then it will be Feng Shui! fellow
      AHA
      1. +7
        27 August 2019 19: 30
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Therefore, you need to imperceptibly, far and powerfully, and even according to the principle: "" shot and forgot! "(Or scored! (?). And even better, so that 10 pieces of CD on the drum-tape were always at hand ... Here then will be on Feng Shui!

        Monsieur knows a lot about perversions. © smile
        Why a drum, why a tape? We throw out the "double-barreled gun" with a lifting mechanism (we leave the lid), put in its place the standard UKSK unit - and there is no need for trouble with drum drives, alignment of guides and other perversions associated with automation and mechanics of reloading induced in two planes, and even a lifting PU ... smile
  3. +10
    27 August 2019 16: 55
    Good Movie - Solo Swimming. Visionary. First, the "Cliff" was captured by an American of Estonian origin, and then ours recaptured it. Nozhkin handsome good
    1. +2
      27 August 2019 17: 50
      Quote: Amateur
      Good movie - Solo swimming. Visionary. First, "Cliff" was captured by an Estonian American, and then ours recaptured it.
      What do you mean! And then, at the end of the film, an American bomb carrier destroyed the island, judging by your recollections, with our "Cliff" to destroy all traces!
      You at least watch the thriller for the film. There they talked about the American base in the Indian Ocean.
      1. +5
        27 August 2019 17: 59
        It is good that the American base in the ocean was soaked themselves. But the film was filmed at the "Cliff"
        1. 0
          28 August 2019 18: 31
          I was there. Even the inscriptions in English from the film are preserved. And the anti-nuclear door. Nothing else. The complex is ruined to the ground. The second complex is really preserved. There is security. A short video here https://yadi.sk/i/KtFjblWo4oS6oA
    2. +4
      27 August 2019 18: 43
      Quote: Amateur
      Good movie - Solo swimming

      It was filmed there.
      And in the New World.
  4. +5
    27 August 2019 16: 59
    Restored, already good!
    Rearm with new missiles perfectly!
    Uninvited guests should know what they will always get in the teeth if they climb to us and that such a temptation does not even exist.
  5. +10
    27 August 2019 17: 31
    Well, soon the railway will be launched along the Kerch bridge and then All will be modernized (the trains will flow)! Crimea will be a reliable fortress in Russia! After all, since the days of the USSR, such armored catacombs have been built up that the devil himself will not make out what can be stored there on combat duty .. hi
  6. +5
    27 August 2019 17: 54
    And rightly so. And it’s quite logical. The complex itself is a fortress in the rock, while rockets can launch vertically.
  7. +5
    27 August 2019 18: 00
    Slowly finish off new missiles, you look and restore the second division and everything will be fine. Moscow was not built in a day.
  8. +1
    27 August 2019 18: 05
    True, at the same time he did not explain which missiles are considered as a replacement for the Progress missiles in service with the complex.

    The choice is not particularly great, to be honest. It is unlikely that it will be X-35 or Mosquito, hardly any of the heavy - Basalt, Granite, Volcano. The most likely candidate is the Caliber family, the more so the INF Treaty is torn apart, you can cram both the Kyrgyz Republic there (I don’t know the truth how much this is necessary) and the RCC. The second candidate may be Onyx in the maximum range variant.
    1. +9
      27 August 2019 19: 26
      Quote: Wedmak
      It is unlikely that this will be the X-35 or Mosquito,

      "Mosquitoes" are out of production - and the Navy is unlikely to re-equip the SCRC from one "warehouse" anti-ship missiles to others.
      The X-35 is too light; mobile launchers are more suitable for it.
      Quote: Wedmak
      hardly any of the heavy - Basalt, Granite, Volcano

      Also not produced - only stocks in warehouses. It is not for nothing that the "loaves" began to be altered under the "calibers" / "onyxes".
      So, most likely, they will put Onyx. By the way, in this case, it will be possible to abandon the guided retractable launcher by placing an ordinary "gauge" UVP in its shaft (and closing it with an old sliding cover).
  9. +1
    27 August 2019 18: 13
    Utes cliff missile system rearm on other missiles

    I wonder what rearm, put Onyx or another?
    1. 0
      28 August 2019 10: 21
      Quote: Lesorub
      I wonder what rearm, put Onyx or another?

      the choice is not very large. X-35 light and subsonic, heavy missiles (Granite, Volcano) or will not fit, or are no longer available. Subsonic caliber. Onyx remains as the only likely candidate.
    2. 0
      28 August 2019 17: 26
      In Crimea with Onyx mobile bastions are available. Does it also make sense to have them stationary there?
  10. +4
    27 August 2019 18: 19
    Quote: K-612-O
    Why is it lost?

    one division is simply destroyed
    1. +3
      27 August 2019 19: 27
      A cleared place for milking the installation of new equipment. (Joke). There the main thing is lost. Underground infrastructure. If not flooded and not collapsed then you can restore. The question as a whole is only about efficiency / security. Need your own air defense and not weak.
  11. Kaw
    -5
    27 August 2019 19: 38
    Why is it needed then. In modern combat, stationary objects will be destroyed first. It’s possible to maneuver with mobile units. And to maintain it in working condition, money will be spent. The only benefit of this thing is the launch of targets, so as not to waste money on a separate launcher. IMHO
    1. +5
      27 August 2019 22: 41
      Americans in romania and poland also put stationary launchers with limited ammunition, although they could deliver mobile ...
  12. +4
    27 August 2019 20: 42
    Quote: K-612-O
    Why is it lost? And as for the missiles, the main thing here is to combine control systems, PU and everything else, although granite should fit

    "Granite" will not fit. It is larger in diameter and has a wet start. And how to provide it on this launcher?

    Quote: Wedmak
    The choice is not particularly great, to be honest. It is unlikely that it will be X-35 or Mosquito, hardly any of the heavy - Basalt, Granite, Volcano. The most likely candidate is the Caliber family, the more so the INF Treaty is torn apart, you can cram both the Kyrgyz Republic there (I don’t know the truth how much this is necessary) and the RCC. The second candidate may be Onyx in the maximum range variant.

    The fact that the X-35 will not be is almost certain. Changing even an old supersonic rocket to a less old subsonic one is not the best option. "Mosquito" EMNIP is no longer produced. Heavy bets won't be for the same reason. "Basalt" is outdated, it is not known whether "Volcano" is produced, "Granite" has a "wet start", that is, the launch container must be filled with water. For a land complex, this is also not ice. Most likely it could be Onyx-class missiles.
    Putting a subsonic "Caliber" is also not the case. It will fly to the target for about forty minutes. During this time, the goal will go away ...
  13. DPN
    +1
    27 August 2019 21: 10
    And they’ll do it right, this will not only protect Crimea, but will make passage through the Bosphorus unobstructed, and the Turks will not be able to close it without harming themselves.
  14. +3
    27 August 2019 22: 22
    460 km for the Black Sea is very good and bad for an adversary. And all the "obsolescence" of missiles is probably primarily in the stability of the target designation of the enemy's electronic warfare / electronic warfare? Maybe there is an opportunity to save money and upgrade electronics ... until the moment when "Onyxes" go into a large series. The main thing is that the object was not closed at all due to its complete loss, and in any case there is modernization ahead!
  15. +4
    28 August 2019 03: 32
    The place is great!
    There is infrastructure in general, but of course it needs a major overhaul, but this is not a construction project from scratch.
    1. Put there a powerful stationary EW, RER and radar.
    2. Give there 6 armors (mobile) + stationary in TPK Calm (Buk M3).
    3. Install 4 × 8 TPK with Onyx RCC, ideally Zircons, and even better to 4 × 8 Onyx, the same number of Zircons!
    4. Install 4 × 8 TPK with "grounded" Calibers with a range of 2500 km, when the Calibers are brought up to 4000-5000 km there (there was infa due to the collapse of the INF Treaty).
    5. Stationary ("serious" to help all types of troops) target designation (there are all the World Cup in full view)
    6. Ideally, have helipads and give 6-8 pieces of Ka 52, or Night Hunters.
    7. And the cherry on the cake is Laser Relight, only stationary and therefore more powerful because of this.

    Well guarded perimeter and competent l / s. FORTRESS with a capital letter. It can serve as a reserve headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.

    Whoever says that it’s stationary and easier to destroy, I’ll answer as follows: for this, the adversary must take into account this serious object, as he will be in constant combat readiness and then he’s thinking about the answer, and she’ll fly !!!
    Also, you need to add and pay attention to the fact that visiting mattresses at the World Cup will only grow.
    1. +1
      28 August 2019 05: 40
      There is infrastructure in general, but of course it needs a major overhaul, but this is not a construction project from scratch.
      And what is there from scratch that meets modern requirements? Power wiring and underground shelters? And that’s it.
      The fact that such a complex is needed is my humble opinion. So today the realities are aviation and mobile systems.
  16. 0
    28 August 2019 05: 35
    In the future, the complex will be re-equipped with new rocket models
    What else could he say? Will be. But then.
    Whatever a great weapon in '82, it becomes obsolete rapidly. Almost 40 years in the service. Only the most advanced fleet in the world to drive. Yes, but Ukraine has no worthy targets.
  17. +2
    28 August 2019 11: 05
    Quote: Fighter MoreThings
    The place is great!
    There is infrastructure in general, but of course it needs a major overhaul, but this is not a construction project from scratch.
    1. Put there a powerful stationary EW, RER and radar.
    2. Give there 6 armors (mobile) + stationary in TPK Calm (Buk M3).
    3. Install 4 × 8 TPK with Onyx RCC, ideally Zircons, and even better to 4 × 8 Onyx, the same number of Zircons!
    4. Install 4 × 8 TPK with "grounded" Calibers with a range of 2500 km, when the Calibers are brought up to 4000-5000 km there (there was infa due to the collapse of the INF Treaty).
    5. Stationary ("serious" to help all types of troops) target designation (there are all the World Cup in full view)
    6. Ideally, have helipads and give 6-8 pieces of Ka 52, or Night Hunters.
    7. And the cherry on the cake is Laser Relight, only stationary and therefore more powerful because of this.

    Well guarded perimeter and competent l / s. FORTRESS with a capital letter. It can serve as a reserve headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet.

    Whoever says that it’s stationary and easier to destroy, I’ll answer as follows: for this, the adversary must take into account this serious object, as he will be in constant combat readiness and then he’s thinking about the answer, and she’ll fly !!!
    Also, you need to add and pay attention to the fact that visiting mattresses at the World Cup will only grow.

    I want more, more, more laughing And it will not be enough
    1. Well, it's okay to put there a powerful RYUB and a radar station, at least it's understandable. But "Armor" and "Calm" in the area of ​​these launchers - too much. There is an air defense unit that covers these launchers - that's enough.
    2. The number of "Onyxes" will be determined by what there will be for PU. If this lifting installation is being modernized, then it is unlikely that more than 4 TPK can be placed on this device. The second division has been plundered to zero, if it is still restored, you will get 2 installations of 4 TPK "Onyx".
    3. "Zircon" is still unknown when it will enter service. Only at the end of this year they will try to shoot him from a boat, and next year from a frigate (or vice versa).
    4. What for please tell me to put "Caliber" there. the main task of which is shooting along the coast, when these positions were created as anti-ship. And why put subsonic "Calibers" there at all? To throw money down the drain? Indeed, when firing at the maximum range with an anti-ship missile, the missile will fly to the target for about 30 minutes. During this time, the target will not only shoot, but also leave. A "Caliber". under a million dollars will be wasted, for they will not find anything

    And then all this pleasure, including the "cherry" in the cake, which is not needed there and is covered with one charge at the start of the database. There is hardly anyone who will shoot nuclear weapons at a launcher that has fired. And throughout this "Fortress" with so many "gifts" - definitely ..
  18. 0
    29 August 2019 08: 18
    Quote: Thrifty
    de facto there is only one division with missile-era missiles


    no. In fact, in Crimea, the Utes complex has been fully restored (All two divisions. The first division was restored by the end of 2016 and the second in the spring of 2019).
    The Progress anti-ship missile was put into service in 1983, by the way, in the same year, the Tomahawk missile, which the Americans love to be so proud of and do not consider old, were in service with the United States.
    Naturally, the missile is outdated in terms of its characteristics for fighting modern warships, but it is capable of easily "shattering" the "still immortal" fleet.
    With modern missiles, the effectiveness of the "Utes" complex will grow significantly and will make it possible to fight the modern military fleet of any potential enemy.