The daughter of "Rostec" will provide evidence of the danger of Boeing airliners in court

The Rostec subsidiary Aviakapital-Service (AKS) will try to terminate the contract with Boeing (Boeing) for the supply of 737 MAX model airliners through court. In addition, the Russian company will require more than 110 million dollars in compensation from US aircraft manufacturers.

Representatives of Aviakapital-Service have evidence that Boeing developed the defective 737 MAX airliner, and also deliberately hid information about this from US regulators. As a result of this, two disasters happened: a total of 346 people died.

The lawsuit was filed with the Chicago District Court. The contract between the AKC and Boeing provided for the supply of 35 aircraft. Other companies affected by the aircraft manufacturer are observing how the process will unfold. In case of progress, they will also sue Boeing. The possibility of a class action lawsuit worth billions of dollars is not ruled out.

However, it is difficult to expect objectivity from a court in the United States, because judges there work on the principle of “we don’t let our people go.” Boeing had previously tried to hush up the scandal with minimal compensation, wanting to continue releasing the 737 MAX airliners after the hype subsided.

So this lawsuit needs maximum publicity. I would like the ACS evidence not to fail. Then the American aircraft manufacturer would have suffered serious reputation and financial damage.

It's no secret that the Boeing company is affiliated with the US military. In addition, there is evidence of links between the aircraft manufacturer and US intelligence agencies. According to rumors, the CIA can remotely connect to the Boeing’s airborne control systems and cause air crashes. A kind of lever to put pressure on objectionable countries. How close these rumors are to conspiracy theories is a separate issue.

In any case, the undermining of the Boeing hegemony in the world market will definitely have a promising effect on the development of air transportation and its availability. Now, in fact, Boeing monopolists dictate their terms to most air carriers in the world.

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[Thrifty]

Anyway, I’ll say that Russia is obliged to restore its civilian aircraft industry, and build aircraft primarily for the Russian market! In parallel, you can create aircraft options for foreign countries!

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: Thrifty

Anyway, I’ll say that Russia is obliged to restore its civilian aircraft industry, and build aircraft primarily for the Russian market! In parallel, you can create aircraft options for foreign countries!

Who is arguing with this?

[smershxnumx]

However, it is difficult to expect objectivity from a court in the United States, because judges there work on the principle of “we don’t let our people go.” Boeing had previously tried to hush up the scandal with minimal compensation, wanting to continue releasing the 737 MAX airliners after the hype subsided.

Raven doesn’t peck a raven's beak - don’t go to a fortuneteller !!!

I’ll still say that Russia is obliged to restore its civilian aircraft industry

Minus me, comrades - do not minus me, but we would have to keep the level at least at the existing level, sorry for the tautology, level! For the production of passenger cars, we already skipped (I’ll immediately answer to those who object: UAZ is an SUV and its modifications (I don’t say anything about quality - I twist nuts and cry silently), VAZ is Renault-Nissan with its V0 platforms, etc., Apparently, the freight ones too: GAZ - a lorry based on the FORD-Transit (do not even convince yourself otherwise) ... KAMAZ - Cummins engines, axles-box-razdatka ZF (MAN or Korean-Turkish), well .... keep quiet. .. you read it yourself .... So, you’ve gotten to the aircraft industry ... Where can she get it if they bought motors over the hill (Motor Sich), composites in the USA and Japan, avionics in Europe ...
I will not voice the name of the statesman (you probably know and remember him), who said: "Why do we need to produce this? We will buy the missing abroad!"
Like be ... We have what we have ...
And as the customs officer Vereshchagin said: "... I'm sorry for the State!" (film "White Sun of the Desert", directed by Vladimir Motyl, 1969) .... And I'm sorry ... IMHO ....

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Restore civil aviation. Do not even hesitate.

[maxim947]

One can only imagine if the situation was diametrical, the stinks would be raised to the whole world.

[Andrey Chistyakov]

Quote: maxim947

One can only imagine if the situation was diametrical, the stinks would be raised to the whole world.

Who would doubt that.

[Slavenin82]

Gazelle based on Ford Transit? Where did you get this?

[Rzzz]

It looks the same and also with four wheels. This debate is slightly less popular than about Kalashnikov, but just as endless.

[Alex Justice]

VAZ - this is Renault-Nissan with its B0 platforms, etc., Apparently, the freight ones too: GAZ - a lorry based on FORD

Holden is based on German cars, but it is an Australian brand.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Andrey Chistyakov

Quote: Thrifty

Anyway, I’ll say that Russia is obliged to restore its civilian aircraft industry, and to build aircraft primarily for the Russian market

Who is arguing with this?

It is impossible to argue with this - Russia must use its aircraft.
But here's what's interesting: for whom daughter of "Rostec" ordered so many MAXs? To lease and take off the fat, and now they are pressed by those who were waiting for these aircraft? It’s wildly interesting - and the money daughters of "Rostec" where from? By and large, it’s completely not interesting how daughter of "Rostec" get out of this situation - with Boeinga, if they get it, it’s symbolic. And by the way, they are not the first, others have more serious problems

[Nycomed]

Do we have our own economical engines?

[Thrifty]

Nycomed -you know, if you do nothing, then there will be nothing! !! You need to make them, create to calculate, and test! !!

[Nycomed]

All this is understandable, but who and where will do all this and for what money?

[insafufa]

Nycomed
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All this is understandable, but who and where will do all this and for what money?

if there’s nothing to do then it won’t be

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Nycomed

Do we have our own economical engines?

It seems that you have never heard of PD-14!
And meanwhile, if the UAC does not lie to us, (and why is it to her?), It has already passed internal certification, is attached to the MS-21 and the second board at MAKS-2019 flies as a demonstrator ... Ama, feeling a full paragraph from a competitor, crushed him m -n certification, allegedly for noise ... Our people said: Oh "kay! In a year, we will eliminate it and then ...
Moreover, Perm aircraft engines have boarded this line and create PD-8, PD-35 and other "needs" based on a gas generator ... 14 products.
And the dvigun turns out to be remarkable: it has 15% lower fuel consumption than the Ams and Britons! This is serious, if not to say, "laughable!" For our KLA.
Now the main thing is that they do not wag and merge under a good bribe, as it happened several times before ....
So

[Nycomed]

I would be very happy if all this were true ... But ...

[bayard]

Quote: Nycomed

Do we have our own economical engines?

There is . PD-14 is about 15% more fuel efficient than American engines, and 25 - 30% higher than French ones (Airbus-321). Now their serial production is starting.
There will be several thrust modifications from 8 to 35 t ... but later.
For the money. The budget rule has been fulfilled and exceeded (7% of GDP in the NWF) and now ALL funds coming into the budget can be spent on development ... according to the rules of the IMF (no matter how wild it sounds). By the end of the year, up to 2,5 trillion will be accumulated in the budget. rub. beyond the plan. And over the coming year from 5 to 7 trillion. rub. . On nat. projects do not spend them - they have already found money for them and even for the most part have allocated ... so you have to spend on development. Including the development of civil aircraft industry.

[Ingvar 72]

In parallel, you can create aircraft options for foreign countries!

That's right, you need to sell the surplus, and not vice versa. We have all the best exported. In this regard, he was always jealous of the Japanese, who have an increasingly high quality domestic product than export.

[Vladimir16]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I have always envied the Japanese, for whom more and more quality is being exported to the domestic market than to export.

Yeah, you tell these fables to children.
Or when a right-handed Japanese decides to sell this noodle is also a necessary side dish.

A manager who decides to launch different conveyors for the sake of "his" and "someone else's" market will be suspended for a Faberge.
Costs, understanding
Ali Japanese are not capitalists?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vladimir16

Yeah, you tell these fables to children.

"There is no good right-hand drive" - ​​have you heard such a saying? Toyota Camry one with a right-hand drive and one with the left one are strikingly different in quality of plastic and sound insulation. These are only visible differences. According to the owners who operate these cars, there are much more differences.

Quote: Vladimir16

A manager who decides to launch different conveyors for the sake of "his" and "someone else's" market will be suspended for a Faberge.

Are you aware that the same goods produced in Germany for Eastern Europe and Western Europe are of different quality? And this is in the "single" European Union.

[den3080]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Vladimir16

Yeah, you tell these fables to children.

"There is no good right-hand drive" - ​​have you heard such a saying? Toyota Camry one with a right-hand drive and one with the left one are strikingly different in quality of plastic and sound insulation. These are only visible differences. According to the owners who operate these cars, there are much more differences.

Quote: Vladimir16

A manager who decides to launch different conveyors for the sake of "his" and "someone else's" market will be suspended for a Faberge.

Are you aware that the same goods produced in Germany for Eastern Europe and Western Europe are of different quality? And this is in the "single" European Union.

Regarding the European Union and Eastern Europe, and Russia:
mass consumer goods in Western Europe in the same segments (household chemicals, food) are really higher quality and have better consumer properties compared to what is sold in Eastern Europe.
Indeed, everything new and better is intended for the "domestic market" and this is due to a lot of reasons:
1. higher requirements for quality and composition of the product
2. higher purchasing power of the population
3. more technological and modern equipment of production located directly in Western Europe.
ask any hostess in St. Petersburg, of those who travel to Finland -
all household chemicals bought in Finland are better at washing / washing / bleaching, etc., than almost the same, but acquired in Russia.
And this is not self-hypnosis, as in the "Twelve Chairs."
But in Russia it’s cheaper

[Vend]

Yes, it would be good to terminate the contract with Boeing, but this company will cost such money, it will not be easy.

[Alex Justice]

Yes, it would be good to terminate the contract with Boeing, but this company will cost such money, it will not be easy.

Boeings do not buy. Impose sanctions for the Skripals case.

[Dietmar]

I hope, before suing, Rostec appreciated the prospects for a positive decision. The United States is a country with developed case law, if the AKC wins, lawsuits against Boeing will fall on all sides. In connection with this prospect, it would not hurt other interested organizations (for example, Airbus) to throw our money to pay the best lawyers already at the initial stage of the proceedings.

[Nycomed]

If Boeing starts being carried around the courts, then the prices for Airbus products will immediately jump. Who benefits from this?

[Yura]

Quote: Nycomed

then the prices for Airbus products will immediately jump.

Why do you think so?

[Nycomed]

Competition, Dear.

[Yura]

Quote: Nycomed

Competition, Dear.

Maybe, but I thought about the fact that while the competitor is in a certain outfit, I could have had more money if I sold planes for the same money, but more.

[Nycomed]

"The beastly grin of capitalism", if you leave the market, then "a holy place is never empty."

[Greenwood]

Quote: Jura

while the competitor is in a certain outfit, it would be possible to have more money if you sell planes for the same money, but more.

Airbas will feel like a monopolist, who will himself move the market at his discretion and naturally increase the price. And buyers will have no options.

[Yura]

Quote: Greenwood

Airbas will feel like a monopolist, who will himself move the market at his discretion and naturally increase the price. And buyers will have no options.

This is the answer in the case. I agree.

[Simargl]

Quote: Nycomed

Who benefits?

To think that watermelons - how can you?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The prospect of the lawsuit is very, very, weak. The court is American. The liners are American.
The issue is not in the legal, but in the political plane.

[Kontrik]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The prospect of the lawsuit is very, very, weak. The court is American. The liners are American.
The issue is not in the legal, but in the political plane.

I agree and yet you need to try to do it .. Boeing is actually a monopolist in the world ....
It's time to move them, at least in the domestic civil aviation market ..
Sticks in the wheels of our civilian aircraft industry are put everywhere, up to sabotage .. Huge money is at stake ..

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I agree with you, in part .. Yes, it was only for us to do this, do not clap our ears in the dashing 90s. You would look and sticks would not be inserted. And now what to complain about. They themselves are to blame.

[Yura]

Quote: Kontrik

and yet you need to try to do it .. Boeing is actually a monopolist in the world ....

Exactly so, the court, even if it’s an American one, is making the defects and deficiencies public, the aircraft will be forced to bring to mind or make another, people's lives are more expensive than reputational and other mercantile losses.

[Town Hall]

Quote: Kontrik

Boeing is actually the monopolists in the world ....

And Airbus, presumably the small desk of young technicians?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The court is American. The liners are American.

Airbus to help us !!!

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The issue is not in the legal, but in the political plane.

And also economic!
And to shove a hoof in the backside of a competitor is also Aesthetic! Emotionally selfish and moral-satisfying !!!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

,, And also economic ,,
Supporting you completely! I wanted to add as in the economic, but I think that these two concepts are essentially synonyms.
But here’s a drink of blood, Boeing, - a holy cause! Oh sorry, I’m not in that court .. :-) Oh, I would try, get angry, and I would suck their brains through a straw. :-)
But .... there are other lawyers for this .. :-) I wish them good luck .. :-)

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I would try, get angry, and I would suck their brains through a straw:

Andrei Nikolaevich! You, right thing, scare me: just some kind of vampirius, not an aviation expert lawyer !!!

[voyaka uh]

Airbus has problems too.
Their. An investigation is ongoing about the separation in flight of half of the engine from their 4-engine A380.
The fan came off.
He was found after six months of searching. Metal fatigue and crack.
Now we need to recall planes and sort through hundreds of engines.

[insafufa]

You kind friend tell me who has no problems? According to statistics, aviation is safer than vehicles.

[voyaka uh]

I agree. In the air at any minute, more than ten thousand airliners at a time.
This is more than a million people in the air always. And the unit crashes.

[Shuttle]

... two catastrophes happened: a total of 346 people died ...
...
Boeing had previously tried to hush up the scandal with minimal compensation, wanting to continue releasing the 737 MAX airliners after the hype subsided.

Capital ... avoids noise and abuse and is characterized by a fearful nature. It is true, but that is not the whole truth. Capital is afraid of lack of profit or profit too small, just as nature is afraid of emptiness. But once sufficient profit is available, capital becomes bold. Provide 10%, and the capital agrees to any use, with 20% it becomes lively, with 50% it is positively ready to break its head, with 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime that it would not risk, at least under pain of the gallows. If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will contribute to both. Evidence: smuggling and trafficking in slaves.
Joseph Dunning. "Trade unions and strikes: their philosophy and intentions".
First publication: London, 1860

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Capital is said ... to fly turbulence and strife, and to be timid, which is very true; but this is very incompletely stating the question. Capital eschews no profit, or very small profit, just as Nature was formerly said to abhor a vacuum. With adequate profit, capital is very bold. A certain 10 per cent. will ensure its employment anywhere; 20 per cent. certain will produce eagerness; 50 per cent., Positive audacity; 100 per cent. will make it ready to trample on all human laws; 300 per cent., And there is not a crime at which it will scruple, nor a risk it will not run, even to the chance of its owner being hanged. If turbulence and strife will bring a profit, it will freely encourage both. Smuggling and the slave-trade have amply proved all that is here stated.
Dunning TJ Trade's Unions and Strikes: Their Philosophy and Intention. (Xnumx)

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

The prospect of the lawsuit is very, very, weak. The court is American. The liners are American.
The issue is not in the legal, but in the political plane.

"I wish the evidence at the AKC did not fail"

I wonder what they have and where the clues come from .. and I generally agree .. to beat Boeing and even in the American court .. this is from the category of fiction ... Why do these movements? I see no reason in paying for the work of lawyers who file lawsuits that cannot be won a priori ..

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Level 2 Advisor

beat Boeing and even in an American court .. it's from the category of fiction ... Why do these movements?

Reputation costs!
Having counted them, the Boeing can go on a world conspiracy ... But the stone has already been thrown, circles on the water have gone ... Now it remains with bated breath to look at the evidence base !!! The court, too, I hope, will be a vowel and covered in the press ...
Smart ones will understand and appreciate ... And dumkopfam - all God's dew ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Having strangled the KAA, I won’t even be surprised if Airbus is the main initiator of this scandal (quietly of course) .. :-)

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

the main initiator of this scandal (quietly of course) will be Airbus ..:

Putin was not in vain, apparently, met with Makaron. I even gave flowers to his "grandmother". After that, Macaron began to push through the idea (by the way, it was extremely correct) that without Russia, European security could not be ensured ... Soon the rest of the G-7 participants would be imbued with this idea ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

,, Even gave his flowers to his grandmother
You can give flowers to your pasta wife at least every day. This will not change anything in politics. Macaron - a copy of the head of a shareware country - does not solve anything. Selected for show.

[Vasiliev Yu]

Daaaaaa, read the comments, (((.
And what everyone does not remember about SHOW Dry Superjet 100?
Can you start to produce safe aircraft yourself first?
Or your shit is not shit, or doesn’t stink your own?

[AU Ivanov.]

And you do not confuse 2 SSJ catastrophes due to the human factor with 2 Bobik catastrophes due to malfunction of the materiel.

[Vasiliev Yu]

Well, yes, the human factor, when broken landing gears pierce fuel tanks.
2 disasters? And how many breakdowns does he have? No desire to find out? And then look at the Internet, very unpleasantly surprised.
How many countries are buying Superjets?
I wish all shit-rya patriots only them and fly.

[Ural-4320]

At the Aviaforum, they already showed with pictures that there was no fuel tank in the assembly next to the chassis. There, the bones were disassembled SSJ, including RLE.
In fact, Boeing also has a human factor, namely the crew’s inability to figure out what is happening, although the RLE has a description of what to do when the MCAS mows. The behavior is similar to the Runaway stabilizer, and this was worked out before the new system. In the first dead plane, the previous crew was able to understand what was happening and without heroism landed the plane on a checklist. However, the description of the malfunction was incomplete and the technicians released the plane into the flight, checking only as much as the crew described. This flight crashed, opening the account for the tragedies due to the fault of MCAS.

[Vasiliev Yu]

So how many countries does this shit buy?
Will I wait for an answer?

[AU Ivanov.]

Bucky - in the wings, racks in the same place. After landing at such a vertical speed, the racks will be in the tanks of any type of aircraft. Bobby with Watermelon will not be an exception here. But bugs in MCAS is a jamb. Serious such a jamb.

[Ural-4320]

But I didn’t write that the tanks are not in the wing, I wrote that the design of the chassis unit and the tanks are spaced.
https://aviaforum.ru/threads/katastrofa-pozhar-ssj-ra-89098-afl-v-sheremetevo-obsuzhdenie.46516/page-219
And here is a shot from the SK video. The landing gear went into the gap between the wing and the flap.

[Avior]

In fact, according to the rules, when the landing gear is broken, they should never be in the tanks.
And what is most sad, Sukhoi had a certificate that everything is so.
Flight companies have requested additional verification

we are talking about checking the strength characteristics of the design of the wing box and the chassis, since the destruction of the chassis should not affect the integrity of the fuel systems.

https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3982921

[Rzzz]

Quote: vasiliev yu

when broken landing gear pierce fuel

Look vidos normal, dear. There racks did not pierce anything. And there are no tanks there and cannot be. It can be seen that from overload when the wing caisson hits the seam diverges.
And do not carry stupid things.

[Ros 56]

Why did Sukhoi not please you? If the pilots' hands are hooks or the brains of the operators didn’t have enough to equip the logistics of spare parts supply, then the plane should not be blamed.

[Observer2014]

Have we really begun to act smartly? We are Russians. We, by definition, are like this. One Russian is intellectual. Two Russians are ballet. Three are revolution.

[Nycomed]

Well answered, you are a plus!

[Ros 56]

That's right, so their striped, their own fat on their own garbage.

[Goldmitro]

Representatives of Aviakapital-Service have evidence that Boeing developed the defective 737 MAX airliner, and also deliberately hid information about this from US regulators. As a result of this, two disasters happened: a total of 346 people died.

Star-striped with its super advanced technology managed the whole world in full! Maybe now they will be more modest and stop trending at all angles about their technological superiority!

[Vladimir1155]

"The rumor is that the CIA can remotely connect to the Boeing's onboard control systems and provoke plane crashes." .... these are not rumors, but a very confirmed fact, repeatedly "strange" accidents happened with Boeing when the plane ceased to obey the pilots, and the pilots began to swear and the plane fell, a living example of the murder of General Troshev by the US special services along with a full plane of passengers ... ... https: //www.obozrevatel.com/news/2008/9/15/258224.htm
It’s not for nothing that Putin flies only with Russian airplanes, they even specially produced il96 for him piece-wise.

[Carib]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

I agree with you, in part .. Yes, it was only for us to do this, do not clap our ears in the dashing 90s. You would look and sticks would not be inserted. And now what to complain about. They themselves are to blame.

It was not we who clapped our ears and everything else. We were set up and now what, forever?
Got that whimper then?
Do not complain, let go of your hands, and how cattle to the slaughter with a drowsy head?
How many sticks they give us in the wheels so much and they put in the most indulgent ...
Hold the punch, respond as soon as possible, exhausting the partner! This is the only thing that our children would not become slaves, but slaves of new formations who have not yet figured out what to call.

[Carib]

When the striped saw the IL-96 for the first time, they simply went nuts, and realized that they were far behind .... Therefore, they killed the competitors - Us - Russia, in order to free themselves a place in the sun ...

[Nestorovich]

Quote: Carib

When the striped saw the IL-96 for the first time, they simply went nuts, and realized that they were far behind .... Therefore, they killed the competitors - Us - Russia, in order to free themselves a place in the sun ...

during the release of il96, a Boeing 747 was already flying, 25 years old, so they were afraid.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

All this is so .. But if the aircraft is really competitive in the market, namely it is comfortable, economical and will give maximum profit during operation, then the airlines do not give a damn about whom and in which country it is made. Our liners, as far as I know, did not shine with these qualities.

[Nestorovich]

silt 96 came out "just in time" when all the airline companies began to write off their 4 engine mastodons and chase for efficiency. As usual in general. Until it finally came to the series, he turned out to be nafing no one needed.

[Nestorovich]

well, they don’t want Boeings to fly on ultra-reliable superjets, or rather not to fly, but to stand nearby, waiting for spare parts ....

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Volkswagen casus why not use (dieselgate)? Well, the one in which a fine of 4 billion was written out for carrying one point in the emission analysis?
Here the same thing - a conscious distortion of security settings, with the death of people. Just impose a fine of $ 60 billion, in case of non-payment, a ban on flights of ANY Boeing over the territory of Russia. And then, in order to resolve the dispute, reduce the fine to a billion, and cancel all contracts. Where are Onishchenko, the returnee of Sakhalin?

[maden.usmanow]

prohibition of flights of ANY Boeing over the territory of Russia

the result will be ... transport collapse, bravo

[Nestorovich]

Quote: Oo sarcasm

Just impose a fine of $ 60 billion, in case of non-payment, a ban on flights of ANY Boeing over the territory of Russia.

you are more careful in your wishes, otherwise Boeing will prohibit the supply of spare parts. Schaub was not good.

[Rzzz]

Quote: Oo sarcasm

Well, the one in which a fine of 4 billion was written out for carrying one point in the emission analysis?

And what is curious. American diesels are more "dirty", but Volkswagen was fined. It's no good to go into a foreign market!

[Nestorovich]

Quote: rzzz

And what is curious. American diesels are more "dirty", but Volkswagen was fined. It's no good to go into a foreign market!

Well, they were not discharged for being dirty, they were discharged for fraud, plus preferences in some states to "ecological" Folz diesels ...

[Oyo Sarkazmi]

Isn't a fake security certificate a scam? Which became a bloody crime? Boeing for this would be worth erasing altogether.
The Americans knew about the bugs in the program, but they intended to fix it in 2020, with planned maintenance.

[In the clouds]

Just don't buy these Boeings and Airbases - that's all! There are domestic ones - we buy ours, we support our manufacturer, there is nothing to "feed" mattresses!