Aspects of the “fight against the mummers” - a new regulation on the sale of military uniforms

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In Russia, the possibility of introducing restrictions on the wearing of military uniforms and insignia is being considered. These discussions are generally referred to as "the fight against the mummers."

Aspects of the “fight against the mummers” - a new regulation on the sale of military uniforms




Such an initiative is connected with the fact that recently military uniforms and military attributes are often used more and more often by people who have never served in the army either. Pseudo-veterans (in other words, mummers) of various wars and local conflicts come from anywhere on the chest awards (possibly bought in online stores and flea markets) appear on the streets during festive events. There are known cases of the appearance of such persons even on Red Square during the Victory Parade.

Today in the administrative code there is a rule that punishes the “pseudo officer” for wearing someone else’s military uniform and rewards in the form of a fine of up to 1,5 thousand rubles. This punishment is proposed to be tightened. At the same time, outlets can oblige to sell military uniforms and other military paraphernalia only if the buyer presents the appropriate certificate, including veteran. An example is the purchase of an employee uniform of one or another unit from the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.


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Military experts note that the question arose even more urgently due to the fact that with the help of false veterans they often try to implement frankly fraudulent schemes. For example, on the streets of Russian cities you can often see people in military uniform in wheelchairs, these people ask for alms. As an example, people without lower limbs in blue berets and vests who impersonate former Airborne Forces soldiers are asked to provide financial assistance to car drivers during a stop at intersections with a traffic light. The lion's share of such "proceeds" from beggars is taken away by dense guys from tinted cars, which put such "hard workers" in points. It is also a discredit of government departments, real war veterans.

A separate question, who will be in the streets to identify false officers, false veterans? A separate working base is needed here in order for the initiative to become effective, and not to remain another surge on paper.
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    1. +7
      27 August 2019 06: 58
      Today in the administrative code there is a norm that provides for punishment for a “pseudo officer” for wearing someone else's military uniform and rewards in the form of a fine of up to 1,5 thousand rubles.
      Funny.
      At the same time, outlets can oblige to sell military uniforms and other military paraphernalia only if the buyer presents the appropriate certificate, including veteran. An example is the purchase of an employee uniform of one or another unit from the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      Even funnier. With the presence of the Internet and flea markets.
      A separate question, who will be in the streets to identify false officers, false veterans? Here we need a separate working base in order for the initiative to become effective. I see: I have a desire, but I have no opportunity.
      1. +5
        27 August 2019 07: 42
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Even funnier.
        A separate question, who will be in the streets to identify false officers, false veterans?

        Exactly. Moreover, as the author almost mildly put it mildly:
        ... thick guys from tinted cars, who put such "hard workers" in points and take the lion's share of such "revenue" ...

        Organized crime groups have long been legalized in microfinance organizations, and camp romance is promoted through central channels. wink
      2. +8
        27 August 2019 08: 21
        Where did the military patrol go? In Soviet times, they were literally everywhere, especially at train stations. I already wrote here once how a patrol drove my friend across Moscow’s GUM in Moscow, who shortened his overcoat by 10 centimeters. feel
        1. +1
          27 August 2019 09: 22
          Where did the military patrol go?

          Now it is the military police. Questions to them.
        2. -1
          27 August 2019 11: 20
          Quote: Nycomed
          Where did the military patrol go?

          Nowhere. They are found daily at metro stations in the center and beyond.
      3. 0
        27 August 2019 09: 13
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        who will be on the streets to identify false officers, false veterans?

        That's it ! Well, they will check documents and more carefully where they were checked, but "somehow"! They will demand from veteran organizations to treat with greater responsibility the selection of "honorary veterans" when sending them to various festivals, celebrations ... But will such an event be enough for a long time? And what about the street beggars, then "whoop"! Their name is legion! Moreover, these "legless" beggars are of all kinds of "stripes", and not just "Afghan veterans, veterans of the Airborne Forces" ...:
      4. +3
        27 August 2019 09: 37
        Forum users write everything correctly. And we have to work with this "inflection". What to add here request... The military uniform is designed to personify the honor, valor and nobility of Russian soldiers, and this attracts not only the younger generation (as in the song "... and the boys can neither lie, deceive, just mentally ill.
    2. 3vs
      +2
      27 August 2019 07: 02
      It was time to do it already!
      1. +5
        27 August 2019 08: 10
        But I express my desire that elements that are not of particular importance can be acquired without documents. And then I'm used to wearing military gear with leather belts and gloves, as well as occasionally boots feel
        1. +6
          27 August 2019 08: 51
          Quote: skinar
          And then I'm used to wearing military gear with leather belts and gloves, as well as occasionally boots
          As I understand it, we are talking about insignia: shoulder straps, chevrons, stripes, badges ... a belt and a number will not allow identifying a person as a military man - you need insignia of belonging to the department ...
          ... or half of the hunters can be put under the "article" wassat
    3. AUL
      +16
      27 August 2019 07: 03
      Because of such ghouls, there is a wary attitude towards real veterans! For such a masquerade it is necessary to punish as for forging documents. And also apply the law for disrespect for society! am
      1. +4
        27 August 2019 07: 27
        Quote from AUL
        For such a masquerade it is necessary to punish as for forging documents.

        I think to punish people
        without lower limbs in blue berets and vests, posing as former Airborne Forces
        Of course it’s easier, but unproductive, some will leave, others will come. And here
        dense guys from tinted cars, which put such "hard workers" in points
        for some reason, they are elusive for law enforcement officers, it is them who need to be pressed, but according to the law, it’s as if nothing. So a tougher sentence
        for wearing someone else's military uniform and rewards in the form of a fine of up to 1,5 thousand rubles
        only half measure
        1. +3
          27 August 2019 09: 40
          I think to punish people
          without lower limbs in blue berets and vests, posing as former Airborne Forces

          Make them parachute once!
          1. +3
            27 August 2019 12: 14
            Quote: Dimy4
            Make them parachute once!

            I think it’s better to do this in relation to
            dense guys from tinted cars, which put such "hard workers" in points.
            and better without parachutes.
    4. +1
      27 August 2019 07: 04
      Yes, it seems that restrictions were in effect before .... It is unlikely that the "mummers" are a state problem. But "non-systemic" groups in camouflage are a potential threat.
    5. -5
      27 August 2019 07: 06
      Aspects of the “fight against the mummers” - a new regulation on the sale of military uniforms
      and I, for the fact that they shot the "militants" from the "sewing troops" right in the unit ... well, or on the way to the train (plane), it is high time to end this nightmare, the CIRCUS OF URODTSEV - disgraces our entire army, has long agreed to "extinguish "these idiots, but ... they'll go to jail, and I have grandchildren ..
      1. +5
        27 August 2019 07: 29
        Quote: Aerodrome
        , CIRCUS OF URODTS - disgraces our entire army, has long agreed to "extinguish" these idiots

        1. +3
          27 August 2019 08: 01
          Can’t the commanders see this?

          1. +6
            27 August 2019 08: 18
            Lipchanin, these are actually Kazakhs. And their army. No need to try on our Sun other people's unverified facts
            1. -2
              27 August 2019 08: 22
              What, all Kazakhs?
              1. 0
                27 August 2019 10: 06
                What, all Kazakhs?


                And what are the problems with the perception of which country the heroes are from.
          2. Alf
            +1
            27 August 2019 20: 01
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Can’t the commanders see this?

            What is pop, such is parish.
        2. 0
          27 August 2019 19: 58
          Gus called it - roosters on a demobilization.
        3. Alf
          0
          27 August 2019 20: 00
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Aerodrome
          , CIRCUS OF URODTS - disgraces our entire army, has long agreed to "extinguish" these idiots


          Well, why are you attached to them? For the first time in their lives, guys came down from the mountains from the mountains, and all around were such temptations ...
      2. AUL
        +7
        27 August 2019 08: 28
        Quote: Aerodrome
        and I, for the fact that they shot "militants" from the "sewing troops" right in the unit ...

        Well, actually, the article is a little about something else - about illegal wearing of military uniforms! And "sewing troops" is a violation of the uniform. And this, apart from a slight disgust, does not cause other emotions. The kids are showing off ...
        1. +2
          27 August 2019 08: 33
          DAD, (Sergeant-Major - respectfully), pulling out "inserts" from shoulder straps, there was an angel ...
        2. 0
          27 August 2019 20: 00
          Military uniform with medals and other stripes.
    6. +7
      27 August 2019 07: 09
      99,9 percent on amendments to any legislative framework. By our .... deputies
      are another splash on paper.
      1. Alf
        +2
        27 August 2019 20: 03
        Quote: Sergey 23
        99,9 percent on amendments to any legislative framework. By our .... deputies
        are another splash on paper.

        But the remaining 0,1% hit so that the country could not come to its senses.
    7. +4
      27 August 2019 07: 09
      Keep and keep the motto of the muzzle!
      But what about upbringing? Cadets, Unarmed?
      Yes, false veterans must be driven away for a long time, but you have to work! And do not forbid to engage.
    8. -3
      27 August 2019 07: 09
      For example, on the streets of Russian cities you can often see people in military uniform in wheelchairs, these people ask for alms.
      It's funny to read that. The authorities always wanted to spit on beggars, and then for no reason, suddenly, she became preoccupied. Especially it touches
      The lion's share of such "proceeds" from beggars is taken away by dense guys from tinted cars, which put such "hard workers" in points
      Right to tears touches the CARE of the authorities lol.
      It is also a discredit of government departments, real war veterans.
      Nobody SO discredits the authorities like these pro-power mummers of the Cossacks who beat people on the street.
      Why was this law needed? This is just the secret of the open door. Due to the growth of the opposition current and the fact that the REAL security forces are adjoining them more and more, the authorities are taking these measures. Everyone saw on the Internet how a retired lieutenant colonel of the Ministry of Defense came out with posters in Moscow. Or how riot police demanded to provide them with the right housing. But, no laws will help the current oligarchic regime. The countdown clock is already ticking. The fault here lies entirely on the system itself.
      1. +1
        27 August 2019 19: 49
        You do not please. At first, the opposition arranged Polovtsian dances around the false veterans in the stands of the Victory Parade - supposedly, the authorities welcomed the mummers. The authorities decided to fight with the mummers - but this, according to the opposition, is also bad. smile
    9. 0
      27 August 2019 07: 10
      This is just an indication that there is something to stick to. And the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as I understand it, has something to fight with, but I don’t feel like it, so they come up with a simpler job. f ... suffer, simply put.
    10. 0
      27 August 2019 07: 11
      The fight against the mummers - the fight against "windmills". Neither large fines, nor "landing" will solve the problem here. But officials need to be more discerning.
    11. 0
      27 August 2019 07: 12
      "We recognize our own everywhere and at once .... by the eyes, and not by the shape and chevrons ..." (C) Song "Brother".
      And these ... Yes, let them, at least dress up as hussars ....
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 08: 05
        Quote: Kerensky
        "We recognize our own everywhere and at once .... by the eyes, and not by the shape and chevrons ..." (C) Song "Brother".
        And these ... Yes, let them, at least dress up as hussars ....

        then: they are "hussars", and you are dung ... you need to crush at the root., then it will be too late
      2. 0
        27 August 2019 20: 01
        That is not the point.
    12. +9
      27 August 2019 07: 12
      The mummers should be punished, a good fine and 15 days of dancing with a broom will not hurt this! But only for a similar fake .... as a double continuous in traffic rules, from 15 meters it is recognized, then a violation!
      Just military clothes, without insignia and recognition, do not touch ... these are just comfortable, familiar clothes for many !!!
      1. +2
        27 August 2019 09: 49
        Here, too, I am afraid that stupidly for a lump they will begin to fine. I have several sets of EMP camouflage, very convenient for work and for trips, now I'm worried
        1. +2
          27 August 2019 10: 17
          The policeman tried to "treat" me already ..... funny. Some of them live shorter than many veterans SERVED!
        2. -1
          27 August 2019 15: 41
          It is necessary to earn the right. But now any "mower" wears a spetsnaz hill.
        3. 0
          27 August 2019 20: 03
          Take off the insignia and no one will stop.
      2. -1
        27 August 2019 15: 40
        The same vest, for example, must be earned the right to wear. It hurts me personally when it is worn by everyone who doesn’t have the slightest hint to the army or the navy. To prohibit it at the legislative level. .and there will be order.
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 19: 28
          Deny wearing a vest with epaulettes, and those who will be indignant at allowing epaulets to sew!
          DON'T NEED TO REACH NONSENSE! Common sense is our everything!
        2. +1
          27 August 2019 20: 03
          The color of your vest?
          1. -1
            28 August 2019 00: 11
            I served in the Navy for 15 years.
    13. +9
      27 August 2019 07: 15
      It is necessary to cross out the military uniform from the project, otherwise everything will be reduced to fines for hunters and fishermen, and also to lovers of vests, there are a lot of varieties of uniforms, try to determine which one is accepted by the order and which one just looks like.
      But the insignia is another matter.
      For their use you need to be fined mercilessly.
      And finally deal with awards that look like state ones
      1. +1
        27 August 2019 08: 08
        Quote: Avior
        otherwise it will come down to fines for hunters and fishermen, and also lovers of vests-

        I’m a son’s gift from the Baltic, I’m wearing the sixth year, try to take it off. Winter vest, cotton, fishing, no price.
        1. +1
          27 August 2019 08: 32
          So you do not use epaulets, orders, medals, a general's cap with him ... smile so why not, nothing wrong with the point of view of the law, nor morality, nor respect for the military and veterans. The new project does not apply to this, judging by the text.
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 09: 54
            This is the text of this article, I read a more complete one, there is a restriction on wearing the uniform, and almost the entire lump falls under the official definition of the form from the Ministry of Defense.
            1. -1
              27 August 2019 15: 44
              And rightly so.
        2. -1
          27 August 2019 15: 44
          I also brought a pack of vests and T-shirts to my father, although I do not think this is right.
    14. 0
      27 August 2019 07: 28
      Be sure to adopt this legislation. It’s time to end this clowning dress, they themselves are disgraced, and because of this, sometimes honest people who are really involved in this form are called into question.
      1. +3
        27 August 2019 08: 59
        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        It's time to end with this mummers clowning
        There is only one problem: the costumed "Cossacks".
    15. +4
      27 August 2019 07: 32
      Well, get busy with tinted guys from cars. And then some proposals and prohibitive measures. They will not fix the problem.
    16. +4
      27 August 2019 07: 52
      Aspects of the “fight against the mummers” - a new regulation on the sale of military uniforms

      Yes, it’s already long been sick of these pseudo-military ... In Russia, it’s time to figure out both the form and the content. And these departmental corporate medals ... They made a show and a bluff. Even in my childhood, we looked with admiration and reverence at the veterans (distinguished by order levels), and now?
      I wouldn’t give a hand to some Heroes of Russia ...
    17. +4
      27 August 2019 08: 23
      The real harm is not from those "mummers" who are on the streets, but from those who are in the form of the established sample in the offices ...
    18. +2
      27 August 2019 08: 25
      That is, for the amount of up to 1500r I can go in any form and with any awards? This is FUNNY. Well paid and go further, that’s the punishment. Only tough criminal liability. The title and awards must be earned. I decided to outwit everyone, show disrespect to veterans, and sit for a year and a half, think.
    19. +3
      27 August 2019 08: 37
      Quote: komDiv
      Lipchanin, these are actually Kazakhs. And their army. No need to try on our Sun other people's unverified facts



      Yes ... Kazakhs ...
    20. +3
      27 August 2019 08: 44
      Good morning everyone. This problem exists not only in Russia. in many states of the former USSR. At one time, we (in Azerbaijan) had an unspoken order to release for demobilization only "on a civilian basis". The country is small, before dismissal they were forced to call relatives and bring cultural civilian clothes. All the same, many soldiers embroidered "demobilization outfits" and changed clothes after leaving the unit. As for the mummers "veterans" of Karabakh - this did not happen, I do not know why, but I have never seen people in the form of begging for alms.
    21. BAI
      +4
      27 August 2019 09: 10
      . There are known cases of the appearance of such persons even on Red Square during the Victory Parade.

      The news is already the second time. It is interesting, when I (for the first time) wrote that it is necessary to drive the mummers from the events dedicated to Victory Day, for which they threw down my cons?
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 09: 22
        Quote: BAI
        . It is interesting, when I (for the first time) wrote that it is necessary to drive the mummers from the events dedicated to Victory Day, for which they threw down my cons?

        and right now they’ll spread it if they haven’t evolved ...
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 21: 03
          Chatted, throw! request
    22. +4
      27 August 2019 09: 37
      If such mummers are not touched, it means that they or their roof unfasten well "to the glorious law enforcement bodies." 1500 is a begging tariff, not a fine.
    23. +1
      27 August 2019 09: 47
      And sho now do airsoft reenactors? To fishermen, hunters?
      1. Alf
        0
        27 August 2019 20: 07
        Quote: Wengr
        And sho now do airsoft reenactors?

        Are streaks and rivers walking on the streets? Have you ever seen one knocking on a car window with an outstretched hand? Or do any of them sit in parades in the stands?
    24. +2
      27 August 2019 10: 59
      Criterion: year of birth.
      A true WWII veteran must be over 90 years old. Who is younger - "costumed".
      1. +1
        27 August 2019 11: 39
        voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10: 59
        0
        Criterion: year of birth.
        A true WWII veteran must be over 90 years old. Who is younger - "costumed".

        Not always. During the Second World War, a large number of young people fought - young people, sons of regiments and just youth, dropping their birth years ...
        1. +3
          27 August 2019 11: 45
          Anyway. If a person in 1945 was 15 years old, then he is now 89 years old.
          (2019 - 1945 = 74, 74 + 15 = 89).
          1. +2
            27 August 2019 11: 48
            voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 11: 45 NEW
            0
            Anyway. If a person in 1945 was 15 years old, then he is now 89 years old.
            (2019 - 1945 = 74, 74 + 15 = 89).
            Yes. My mom was recently celebrated with 93 anniversary. She was 17 years old in the war.
        2. 0
          27 August 2019 18: 48
          Quote: aszzz888
          voyaka uh (Alexey) Today, 10: 59
          0
          Criterion: year of birth.
          A true WWII veteran must be over 90 years old. Who is younger - "costumed".

          Not always. During the Second World War, a large number of young people fought - young people, sons of regiments and just youth, dropping their birth years ...

          Yes, the whole country, from small to large, fought both at the front and in the rear .. Here, only not everyone received awards and privileges (especially at the front line) .. In Tashkent, yes, there were many heroes who later rushed back to Moscow in the 44-45th
    25. -3
      27 August 2019 12: 56
      An example is the purchase of an employee uniform of one or another unit from the Ministry of Internal Affairs structures.
      In the form of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, everyone is dressed up, regardless of whether he bought the uniform or the state issued it to you along with the certificate, all the same they are all dressed up.
      1. -1
        27 August 2019 17: 52
        in Anapa on the night of August 26-27, a minor girl became a victim of violence. the police took the girl to the station. had sex with her, and the third stood and watched. And when it was over, they took her to the sports complex.
        I say all the Ministry of Internal Affairs urgently needs to be disbanded, they are all there enemies of the people.
    26. +2
      27 August 2019 18: 43
      It's high time to fight this hard .. After all, these "mummers" just spit in our souls!
      This is, in fact, how an ideological war has been declared for all of us (especially our youth who do not orient themselves in all these forms and rewards) in order to vulgarize everything
      Pick up, check and plant, regardless of age ... And upload photos of these crooks in the media! This is the only way to fight this wave of "heroes of the Kulikovo battles and generals of the FSB, etc.) After all, this is an undermining of the security and prestige of the state .. soldier
    27. +2
      27 August 2019 20: 04
      Quote: skinar
      But I express my desire that elements that are not of particular importance can be acquired without documents. And then I'm used to wearing military gear with leather belts and gloves, as well as occasionally boots feel

      Speech, Alexey, primarily about military uniforms and insignia (shoulder straps, chevrons, etc.). And so ... In our city, for example, there is a chain of stores "Block-post", "Camouflage", "Army".
      In the first one it is possible to buy without documents a camouflage uniform, and a "protective" one, and belts, boots (ankle boots), belts. Limitations on insignia only
      The same is in the "Camouflage" store. And the store "Army" in general, for the most part, sells exactly those, the purchase of which requires documents. And I think that's right.

      As for the "search for false veterans". I will express my IMHO, but this is a problem most likely in big cities, in particular, with a million-plus population. There are not so many veterans left in small towns. This year at the Victory Parade in our city there were 50-60 people (walking).
      The admission to the square and seating at the previously prepared seats on the podium was organized as follows. Approximately an hour and a half before the start of the parade, specially designated buses were picked up at certain gathering points for veterans. They were brought to the square, bypassing the cordons and personally seated in the allocated places. This, of course, is only possible in small towns, but nevertheless. After the parade, they were again taken by buses to the "Eternal Flame"

      Here with representatives of the Cossacks - there is a problem of such "mummers" even in small towns. But even they try not to get caught by the representatives of the Cossacks. For it is fraught ...

      Quote: rocket757
      The mummers should be punished, a good fine and 15 days of dancing with a broom will not hurt this!

      Do not hurt. But how to do it, if such a mummer is 70 years old?

      Quote: voyaka uh
      Criterion: year of birth.
      A true WWII veteran must be over 90 years old. Who is younger - "costumed".

      Not always. Participants of hostilities in Afghanistan and Chechnya are also equated to veterans of EMNIP. The first are over 60, the second are much younger. True, there are much fewer "mummers" among them.

      Quote: voyaka uh
      Anyway. If a person in 1945 was 15 years old, then he is now 89 years old.
      (2019 - 1945 = 74, 74 + 15 = 89).

      Yes, for 80, that's for sure, even if he was the son of a regiment, a young man, etc.
      My father will turn 95 in December. Previously, I used to go to the parade in uniform all the time, but about 5-7 years old he already walks in a civilian with only straps on his jacket. To the question why, he answers simply. He’s already hunched over, although he walks without a wand, and does not consider it necessary to wear a uniform, since the officer must have the bearing (his words), the uniform only puts on when they invite to school, or when there are invitations from the mayor (governor) to a meeting
    28. 0
      28 August 2019 14: 06
      A separate question, who will be in the streets to identify false officers, false veterans?

      No, a separate question is who will catch and castrate dense guys from tinted cars before going to jail.

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