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European space agency refuses Russian "Unions"

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Starting next year, the European Space Agency ESA will no longer use Russian Soyuz spacecraft to send its astronauts to the ISS. This was stated by the head of the ESA office in Russia, Rene Pishel.


European space agency refuses Russian "Unions"


According to a representative of the European Space Agency, from next year, ESA refuses flights to the International Space Station (ISS) on Russian Soyuz. The flight of the Italian cosmonaut Luca Parmetano on 20 this July in the crew of the Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz MS-13 was the last. Starting next year, European astronauts will fly to the ISS only on American ships.

Unfortunately, the launch of Luke Parmitano was the last on the "Union". In the coming years, our astronauts will fly on American ships

- said Rene Pischel.

Earlier, the denial of flights to the Russian "Union" was announced in the United States. NASA reported that the first American manned spacecraft with crew will fly to the ISS in the spring of 2020.

In the United States, new space manned spacecraft have been developed: SpaceX's Crew Dragon and Boeing's Starliner. After unmanned and manned flights to the ISS, they will be certified by NASA and further used to deliver astronauts to orbit. It is not yet known what kind of ship it will be - Crew Dragon or Starliner - clarity will come only from the results of test flights.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 26 August 2019 19: 38
    +3
    ESA refuses to fly to the International Space Station (ISS) aboard Russian Soyuz.

    A very rash decision
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 August 2019 19: 43
      +34
      Quote: figvam
      A very rash decision

      Why? They know how to count money.
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 26 August 2019 19: 53
        +72
        and at the same time we were fools, "Mir" was flooded, like taxis have worked, the industry has withered, everyone is now free like snot in flight, for a couple of years they will trample off the ISS.
        1. maxim947
          maxim947 26 August 2019 19: 59
          +46
          The WORLD was flooded because it worked out to the fullest, the orbital stations, alas, are not eternal and no one would take responsibility for the lives of astronauts.
          This outcome, regarding the creation by the Americans of their ship, was quite expected, and in this light the joke about trampolines was extremely inappropriate and stupid, especially since everyone understood that this was balabalism and nothing more.
          If they fly in the 20 year, then they worked pretty quickly.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 26 August 2019 20: 15
            +3
            Quote: maxim947
            If they fly in the 20 year, then they worked pretty quickly.

            They have everything for this, and a resource and money.
            1. Mestny
              Mestny 26 August 2019 21: 58
              +31
              Everything is there - only until they fly.
              Well, how will a disaster happen?
              This failure could be explained after at least several successful launches with people.
              And at this stage, a pure element of a hybrid war between the West and Russia.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 27 August 2019 04: 08
                -2
                Quote: Mestny
                Well, how will a disaster happen?
                Well, how it will not happen? What will you babble then?
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 27 August 2019 06: 31
                  -17
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Well, how it will not happen?

                  According to the materials of the Cosmobiology project, 60% of the population of Europe suffer from cretinism (there is such a psycho-somatic illness), more than 30% of the population is completely illiterate, hereditary cretinism. All the "gadgets" of Europe are created by tiny South Korea (how interesting the Korean War looks! And the strange truce of divided Korea!).
                  And amers mature for at least 2 years, but they also have nutritional problems. There is still more and more interesting in terms of psycho-somatics. Yes, and history speaks of the existence of state formations ("civilizations") in the Americas for 200 to 300 years. It is the isolation of the white population from specific high-grade food products that China is now engaged in. And Europe has nothing to plunder. It was already driven by the USA into the 15-16th century. At the beginning of the expansion of Europe into Asia and Africa. For food, damn it. For edible trace elements.
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                    1. Eragon
                      Eragon 27 August 2019 09: 49
                      +7
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Quote: sogdy
                      According to the materials of the Cosmobiology 60 project,% of the population of Europe suffer from cretinism (there is such a psychosomatic illness),

                      Russia is also Europe, are you respectively a nerd?

                      The Germans also thought that the USSR was Europe. Those were mistaken, these are mistaken. There is Europe, there is Asia, and there is Russia. There is no need to mix geographical and civilizational concepts.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 27 August 2019 13: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Eragon
                        The Germans also thought that the USSR was Europe. Those were mistaken, these are mistaken. There is Europe, there is Asia, and there is Russia. Do not mix geographic and civilizational concepts

                        Russia is Europe, we are in European organizations from sports to politics, and by the way, 68,43% of Russians live in the European part of Russia.
                    2. sogdy
                      sogdy 27 August 2019 14: 01
                      +3
                      I am in Asia. In its very center.
                      Maxim, it’s very flat.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 27 August 2019 15: 50
                        +2
                        Quote: sogdy
                        I am in Asia. In its very center.
                        Maxim, it’s very flat.

                        You are lucky, but in general, based on your logic, the Frenchman living in the Pacific Ocean on an island belonging to France is not European in your opinion? And the Kalmyk belongs to the Mongoloid race, but lives in Kalmykia, and Europe is known geographically, who is he?
                      2. sogdy
                        sogdy 28 August 2019 11: 08
                        0
                        Quote: RUSS
                        And the Kalmyk belongs to the Mongoloid race, but lives in Kalmykia, and Europe is known geographically, who is he?

                        Wai, how everything is running ...
                        A problem in specific territories if you still do not understand.
                        And yes, "geographically." It's worth reading the opinion of the "other side". I still remember Dresden residents in Dushanbe: - "Is this your first time in Asia?" - "No, second, we were in Leningrad."
                  2. Archivist Vasya
                    Archivist Vasya 27 August 2019 10: 35
                    0
                    Well, you wrote, what kind of nonsense, what a psycho-somatics ... that's something all migrants from Asia and other blacks in "medieval" Europe go for unemployment benefits, which is higher than the average salary in Russia.
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 27 August 2019 14: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Archivist Vasya
                      Well, you wrote what kind of nonsense, what psycho-somatics.

                      Tolerant, this is called iodine deficiency. But still cretinism, he is cretinism. In the Russian Federation, up to 10% among children.
                      If anything, Cosmology is a UN project.
                2. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 27 August 2019 06: 43
                  +3
                  Let them fly first wassat
                3. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 August 2019 07: 54
                  -7
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Quote: Mestny
                  Well, how will a disaster happen?
                  Well, how it will not happen? What will you babble then?

                  Well, we like the words "what if, what if", but it's just not with us, but with them. But still it happens with us. A striking example of the robot Fedya did not work, and that is no longer "if only", but Rogozin said "The equipment at the station is 10 years old and imported (read Chinese). , godfather, turn around? "But a billion rubles flies into the ocean.
                  1. region58
                    region58 27 August 2019 11: 34
                    +6
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Fedya's robot did not work

                    And how should it work if it is not activated, and indeed not for these matters? True, why is he still scratching his turnips there, but that's another question.
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    imported (read Chinese)

                    Rather, it was called Ukraine. “Course-P”, Ukrainian enterprise “Elmis”.
                4. SOF
                  SOF 27 August 2019 08: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Greenwood
                  Well, how it will not happen? What will you babble then?

                  .... what are we going to babble? : "Woman with a cart - the wolves are full"....
              2. Grits
                Grits 27 August 2019 05: 09
                +3
                Quote: Mestny
                Well, how will a disaster happen?

                So what? They will ask us again. And we are not the first to come to the rescue. And for free.
              3. energoteknolog
                energoteknolog 27 August 2019 05: 14
                -8
                Well, yes, yes, the development of their own production, which allows Europeans to spend money at home and develop their space industry, is an element of a hybrid war? I thought of it myself or who suggested it?
          2. Warrior with machine gun
            Warrior with machine gun 26 August 2019 20: 38
            +30
            that's just the point, the "trampolines" could hardly be built a cosmodrome, about new reliable ships to replace the "Soyuz", speech is not heard either, only projects and what's next? I'm not special in the space industry, but there is a feeling that in the country, space has become another sawmill.
            1. maxim947
              maxim947 26 August 2019 20: 54
              +18
              I am a little in the subject. There is nothing to boast about and the matter is not in the cut, or rather, absolutely not in the cut, there is control, moreover, good control. The trouble is that there are very few orders. The industry's production is mostly underloaded, so there is enough money to maintain the pants. Plus they spent and continue to carry out stupid reforms wherever, real techies continue to leave. Now they are launching the next big projects and God forbid that they do not change anything halfway and bring them to the end, the only way to invigorate the industry.
              1. Warrior with machine gun
                Warrior with machine gun 26 August 2019 21: 52
                +16
                So it turns out, with the previous "vicious" system, with enthusiasm and full state funding and strict state control, the industry developed faster and more efficiently than now with "professional businessmen" and one-eyed state control (also some solid "pros")
              2. bang
                bang 27 August 2019 01: 09
                +3
                The control? Is he really there? In orbit, Soyuz can no longer dock.
                Europeans look at it all and they can be understood, with such control and a trampoline at the head - oh well .er.

                Although I agree about control in one area - accrual of wages. Here is the iron control. Figs techies, and millions of them.
              3. Serg koma
                Serg koma 27 August 2019 05: 15
                +7
                Quote: maxim947
                and it’s not a cut, or rather absolutely not a cut,

                Attorney General Yuri Chaika presented a report on the state of law and order in the 2018 year. It says that at the subordinate enterprises of Roscosmos and Rostec they stole more than 1,6 billion rubles allocated for the modernization of the production base and the creation of the latest promising weapons developments.

                more than 40% of violations identified by the Accounts Chamber for the 2017 year were related to the activities of Roscosmos, Kudrin reported back in June in 2018 of the year. At that time, a specific amount was called - 760 billion rubles.

                In February 2019 of the year, Roscosmos reported the discovery of theft of large sums during the reconstruction of the Perm Powder Plant.

                “There are billions being stolen, billions. Moreover, the technology is very simple: at first the money is transferred (abroad), the family, and then the person involved ”- Head of the Investigative Committee of Russia Alexander Bastrykin

                “The cost and stated deadlines for space projects are often not justified,” Putin said.
                The rest of course in Roskosmos cut / drank / corruption-absolutely nothing to do with ....
                1. sogdy
                  sogdy 28 August 2019 11: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: Serg Koma
                  The rest of course in Roskosmos cut / drank / corruption-absolutely nothing to do with ....

                  Can you give figures for other enterprises? Or just tryndet?
            2. RideMaster
              RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 40
              -1
              So here I just leave it - the cost of one place for delivery to space - 90 million
              How many billions do local economists propose to fly into space in order not to lose the delivery of 5-6 astronauts per year?
            3. K-612-O
              K-612-O 27 August 2019 06: 15
              +3
              The current Union, not exactly the Union that was 40 years ago, but a new ship is not being done on the knee, especially after the 90s when space was not given money from the word at all. Let me remind you that America didn’t have any famine or collapse in the 90s, and they only finish up the alternative to the alliance with an ambiguous result, although NASA Dragon has to win, all the same, NASA’s experience and experience have been invested in it.
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 August 2019 07: 58
              -3
              Quote: Warrior with machine gun
              I’m not at all special in the space industry, but there is a feeling that in the country, space has become another sawmill.

              Your opinion is fully supported by the "sawmill" at work.
              1. Tank hard
                Tank hard 27 August 2019 10: 00
                +5
                Quote: tihonmarine

                Quote: Warrior with machine gun
                I’m not at all special in the space industry, but there is a feeling that in the country, space has become another sawmill.

                I fully support your opinion "sawmill" in work.

                You, as an Estonian citizen, know all about Russia so well? Do you work in the Kremlin? feel
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 August 2019 10: 10
                  -5
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  Do you work in the Kremlin?

                  Used to work.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 August 2019 10: 14
                    +2
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    Used to work.

                    Previously, Boris Abramovich worked, now he has already died, and the trees say there were more .., before ... feel
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 27 August 2019 10: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Previously, Boris Abramovich worked, now he has already died

                      We are not all eternal.
                2. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 27 August 2019 10: 19
                  -2
                  Quote: Tank Hard
                  You are like a citizen of Estonia

                  I am not a citizen of Estonia, do not confuse.
                  1. Tank hard
                    Tank hard 27 August 2019 10: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    I am not a citizen of Estonia, do not confuse.

                    Eh ... How am I so ... And why did I think so of you? request
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 27 August 2019 10: 30
                      -3
                      Quote: Tank Hard
                      Eh ... How am I so ... And why did I think so of you?

                      The profile icon is Estonian, but I’m generally a citizen of nothing and no one (undefined). Well, about the sawn money, then from the other side where I live it is better seen.
                      1. Tank hard
                        Tank hard 27 August 2019 11: 31
                        +3
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        but I’m generally a citizen of nothing and no one (undefined).

                        But you live in Estonia and respect its current president (the same is hers). And the Estonian president does not particularly respect and love Russia and Russians request
                        And to all of you there, final, everything is better seen and known ... feel
                        Quote: tihonmarine
                        Well, about the sawn money, then from the other side where I live it is better seen.

                      2. tihonmarine
                        tihonmarine 27 August 2019 12: 05
                        -6
                        Quote: Tank Hard
                        And to all of you there, final, everything is better seen and known ...

                        The country is tiny, almost everyone knows each other, that's why, something that leaks out faster here than ours. And power, whatever it was, but you need to respect. T here refers to Russians as t to all inhabitants. One thing in the media, but life goes on.
            5. ALEX_SHTURMAN
              ALEX_SHTURMAN 27 August 2019 11: 25
              -2
              This Cosmodrome was built in a place where groundwater is close, it is constantly flooded by 60 meters of sand quicksand-quicksand, no heavy rockets will fly from there + the latitude at Vostochny is almost the same as at Baikonur if 1kg is launched from the equator into 170kg orbit in a rocket, Baikonur -Eastern 1kg in orbit -350 in a rocket. Read the interview with the ex-president of RSC Energia V.A. Spades about this miracle of the Cosmodrome.https: //www.youtube.com/watch? V = n3WmcvRHp28 & t = 383s
              1. Mephody
                Mephody 28 August 2019 13: 52
                0
                In addition to the cost of the launch itself, there are additional expenses for compensation to the countries over whose territory the launch was made. The scale of payments is unknown to me. But this is exactly what emnip explained the need for the construction of the East. Well, insurance in case of misunderstanding with Kazakhstan. If anything, the Germans could not finish building their stadium for the same money and at the same time, which they themselves wrote about.
                And based on the attractiveness of launching at the equator, it is not clear why Stalaunch has stalled.
                1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
                  ALEX_SHTURMAN 28 August 2019 14: 02
                  +1
                  SeaLauch has stalled because it hindered Khrunichev with Proton launches, look at the interview of the ex-head of RSC Energia V.A. Lopota, he talks about this and the role of current and former leaders of the Russian Space Agency, who ditched this project.
                  1. Mephody
                    Mephody 28 August 2019 15: 18
                    0
                    To understand the situation, you must be above the battles of competitors for the order. Or at least listen to the other side.
            6. Big Cat
              Big Cat 28 August 2019 15: 25
              +1
              Namely, he drank the dough cleanly. No new projects ... just blah blah blah
          3. ltc35
            ltc35 27 August 2019 15: 21
            0
            To send people into space on a "raw" ship is not a very deliberate decision.
            1. Sanichsan
              Sanichsan 27 August 2019 17: 24
              +2
              Quote: ltc35
              this is not a very deliberate decision.

              perfect solution! for them...
            2. Big Cat
              Big Cat 28 August 2019 15: 26
              +1
              What makes you think that it is raw?
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 28 August 2019 18: 20
                0
                And how many manned flights has this pepelats made so that the Europeans walk in orderly rows in his favor, abandoning flights on the Soyuz?
            3. Mephody
              Mephody 28 August 2019 15: 31
              +1
              Saturn 5 had one successful and one unsuccessful launch before starting to the moon
              1. ltc35
                ltc35 28 August 2019 18: 22
                0
                At that time there was a big space race and the safety of the crew was not in the first place. Therefore, flight statistics could not be taken into account completely.
                1. Mephody
                  Mephody 3 September 2019 20: 43
                  0
                  Nonsense. The first launch of Saturn was successful. The causes of the accident during the second were found and eliminated. The probability of successful launches was very high. Flying on Saturn was not a one-way ticket.
          4. kig
            kig 28 August 2019 06: 16
            0
            I won’t be surprised if NASA calls the new Trampoline shuttle
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 August 2019 21: 34
          +3
          Quote: Warrior with machine gun
          , a couple of years and with the ISS trample.

          let the rod .... ISS plan to support until 2024 year
        3. RideMaster
          RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 45
          +1
          Hand face.
          The industry is slowly working on new missiles. To carry or not to carry ..
          No, well, you seriously look at how much it costs and whether there is any income from it before writing like that.
        4. Ros 56
          Ros 56 27 August 2019 06: 22
          +3
          Do you have a machine gun for a picture or something? laughing
      2. figwam
        figwam 26 August 2019 19: 54
        +8
        Quote: svp67
        Why? They know how to count money.

        I'm not about money, but about reliability.
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 August 2019 19: 56
          +1
          Quote: figvam
          I'm not about money, but about reliability.

          You want to say "about the past reliability"
          1. figwam
            figwam 26 August 2019 20: 03
            +30
            Quote: svp67
            You want to say "about the past reliability"

            No, about the reliability of the American apparatus on which a living person had not flown, but the Europeans are ready to sacrifice themselves.
            1. svp67
              svp67 26 August 2019 20: 07
              +12
              Quote: figvam
              but Europeans are ready to sacrifice themselves.

              "European solidarity", someone is ready to fight for them, and someone is ready to act as "experimental astronauts." In general, I think that here the Americans pressed, they need to somehow beat off the costs ...
              1. Amin_vivec
                Amin_vivec 26 August 2019 21: 48
                -16
                one sniper with a good rifle ... and after a beautiful torch, the European people will fly Soyuz for a long time, the Americans would do the same - if they could.
                1. Voronezh-90
                  Voronezh-90 26 August 2019 22: 16
                  +14
                  And what about the "Soyuz" - armored? What nonsense are you writing about snipers?
                  1. Amin_vivec
                    Amin_vivec 26 August 2019 22: 32
                    -4
                    I write that no one has canceled small and serious sabotage, and they should be conducted on a planned basis by the relevant services. I fully admit that sabotage against the Russian space program is carried out at different levels, from economic to subversive (perhaps even managerial ...) although this in no way cancels our own sloppiness ... In modern conditions, white and fluffy can not be.
                    1. Greenwood
                      Greenwood 27 August 2019 04: 11
                      +6
                      Quote: Amin_Vivec
                      I write that no one has canceled small and serious sabotage
                      And for what? Shit a neighbor? Maybe you need to focus on revitalizing the national space program?
                      1. Amin_vivec
                        Amin_vivec 27 August 2019 21: 35
                        +2
                        They shit at us and do not hesitate, and also laugh - and here we are D'artanyans - the forces of light without fear, reproach and a shadow of doubt))) Open your eyes))))
                    2. Ren
                      Ren 27 August 2019 05: 41
                      +2
                      Quote: Amin_Vivec
                      no one has canceled small and serious sabotage, and they should be conducted on a planned basis by the relevant services.

                      There was such a bearded joke:
                      Gorbachev calls Reagan:
                      “Accept our condolences for the Challenger explosion!”
                      “But the Challenger only takes off in a minute ...”
                      - Ah, sorry, I'll call later.

                      A fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it; to the good fellows is a lesson! wink
                2. energoteknolog
                  energoteknolog 27 August 2019 05: 24
                  -7
                  Americans? Of course they would have done so, I will say more, they are already doing it. Either the rocket will not reach, then the FEDYU will not dock. Not otherwise, the Americans engaged sniper with sledgehammers.
                3. Mephody
                  Mephody 28 August 2019 13: 55
                  -1
                  It's hard for an idiot not to show up.
            2. Infinity
              Infinity 26 August 2019 20: 20
              +4
              Quote: figvam
              to donate
              What do you immediately think about the accident? crying Before the Europeans fly, the Americans themselves fly at least once. Moreover, NASA made unprecedented safety requirements (1 accident per 1 launches) to the new spacecraft, which, by the way, delayed their creation. CAC is mandatory on every ship, and it must be certified by NASA after a series of mandatory tests. Yes, "Childhood Diseases" will not go anywhere at once, and there may be problems, but this is true for everyone. "Soyuz", before becoming so reliable, also killed several cosmonauts (Komarov, Patsaev, Volkov, Dobrolyubov) The work does not stop, and this is the main thing.

              In the end, we ourselves still have to finish the "Federation" and also test it. I hope everything will be great!
              1. figwam
                figwam 26 August 2019 20: 29
                +2
                Quote: Infinity
                What do you immediately think about the accident? NASA has unparalleled security requirements ...

                The requirements are good, but in such a case, accident-free statistics must be developed over the years.
                1. Infinity
                  Infinity 26 August 2019 20: 52
                  +1
                  Sure. And to them with their KK, and to us in the future with the "Federation". And everyone understands this very well, this is a normal stage for such a technique. Well, so that there is no tragedy on the initial missions, they think over the design as much as possible at the design stage, carry out an unmanned mission, and the first manned mission with a reduced crew (2 people instead of 4, for example, as is now planned in the States) with the correction of all identified shortcomings and a gradual development positive statistics.
              2. Fikys
                Fikys 27 August 2019 01: 45
                +4
                Quote: Infinity
                Soyuz ", before becoming so reliable, also killed several cosmonauts (Komarov, Patsaev, Volkov, Dobrolyubov)

                Dobrovolsky George Timofeevich. And so everything is true.
              3. Ka-52
                Ka-52 27 August 2019 04: 50
                +4
                Komarov, Patsaev, Volkov, Dobrolyubov

                not Dobrolyubov, but Dobrovolsky, George. I remember him well.
              4. Infinity
                Infinity 27 August 2019 14: 30
                0
                Quote: Infinity
                Dobrolyubov
                Yes, thanks for correcting! My mistake, for which I am ashamed, sometimes fails memory, but I did not bother to check ...
              5. sogdy
                sogdy 28 August 2019 11: 31
                0
                Quote: Infinity
                Moreover, NASA made unprecedented safety requirements (1 accident for 240 launches)

                1 major accident for 240 small launches. We have such launches not through Rostec, but through geological exploration and forecasters. Oh yes, "their space" is below 100 km. We have only the ionosphere up to 140 km.
            3. Grits
              Grits 27 August 2019 05: 13
              0
              Quote: figvam
              still a living person did not fly, but the Europeans are ready to sacrifice themselves.

              What are you surprised at? When they put American missiles on their territory, they did not even think about millions of lives. And here only one astronot for the sake of the Americans will be sacrificed to the tests of American science
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 August 2019 08: 06
              -2
              Quote: figvam
              No, about the reliability of the American device on which a living person had not flown

              After so many incidents and accidents in space, both here and there, we can only talk about security conditionally.
          2. knn54
            knn54 26 August 2019 20: 26
            +9
            - "Soyuz MS-13" was the last one.
            "Fedor" flew in a NEW manned spacecraft model - "Soyuz MS-14" with a Russian control system. On "13" there was a Ukrainian one (PO "Kommunar", Kharkov).
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 27 August 2019 08: 15
              -4
              Quote: knn54
              - "Soyuz MS-14" with the Russian control system. On "13" there was a Ukrainian one (PA "Kommunar", Kharkov).

              But Mr. Rogozin said that the 14th equipment was imported 10 years ago. And we also want to take leading positions in space exploration. The sawing of "space" has begun, or is going on at full speed. By the way, the 14th docked with the ISS, although NASA has already ordered the 14th to "live long". Space should be dealt with by "techies", not "managers" with purchased diplomas.
              1. sogdy
                sogdy 28 August 2019 11: 34
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                But Mr. Rogozin said

                Apparently, a long separation from the Russian language affects mental abilities. For example, on the ability to read and understand what was read.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 28 August 2019 12: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: sogdy
                  For example, on the ability to read and understand what was read.

                  Maybe I didn’t understand having a "breakaway from the Russian language", but on the other hand, I understood well that Russia is losing its positions in Space to the states, and the Chinese are already on their heels. You need to work like you did in the USSR.
                  1. sogdy
                    sogdy 28 August 2019 13: 45
                    0
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    that Russia is losing ground in space to the states, and the Chinese are already on their heels.

                    I’m sorry, but where are you going to run? Without that cosmogony?
                    If cho, we are 70 years ahead of the Americans. They were just learning to climb into the stratosphere and jump from there, and we were already writing off the "Maximov Gorkykh" (formerly "Dobryn") - an airplane for Strela. Which they have never been able to build now.
                    Well, fly (or not fly) to another planet - what will you do? Show with a flag like Americans? Rip the soil that is embarrassing to show others? There are no planetary physics. If so, there is a Cosmobiology project, but Cosmophysics never took place. No tasks set. There are not even calculation methods for geologists and surveyors.
                    And then, panimaeshli, new theories have matured, with a probability of more than 50%, and not up to 30%, as before. And you can’t fly to Venus, but this is the most promising (economical!) Direction. Under some conditions, cheaper than to the moon. Even with a refund. That's just on her vehicles burned a little more than on the moon. And for Mercury, we have no technology.
                    And about the Moon read Nick Gorkavogo, now he is working at the Krasnoyarsk station. Work is in the public domain. There, the problem is posed for all accessible planets up to transplutons. Well, they are not so arranged, as we have considered the last 100 years. And all the justifications are given on nebitki. There are less affordable work NG. It’s even harder there. And a different set of equipment is required. And the preparation for the researchers is different. And perhaps the celestial mechanics are different. And what do you want? Run now, giving way to standing? Or did you get to the place?
                    1. tihonmarine
                      tihonmarine 28 August 2019 15: 18
                      0
                      Quote: sogdy
                      And about the Moon read Nick Gorkavogo, now he is working at the Krasnoyarsk station. Work is in the public domain.

                      We always had a lot of brains, and there are developments, but I'm talking about putting them into practice. Why can not translate. The life of the ISS will soon end, and then what, can we create something in return? It is to create live. So far we can’t even launch the replacement of AN-2, although the development is complete, and as it comes to implementation, everything stalls. Your koment is beautiful, it’s clear that come up with knowledge, patriotically, it’s wonderful. I completely agree that the staff members do not have such ideas and developments, others, overbought specialists do everything for them, they only have one positive money, resources, and go crazy. It remains to be hoped that our tops will understand where and how to move on.
              2. Mephody
                Mephody 28 August 2019 13: 59
                0
                Are Estonians already in space? Or is it slowly reaching them? Or have you forgotten Russian? Rogozin was referring to "imported equipment" on the ISS, no?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 28 August 2019 15: 27
                  0
                  Quote: Mephody
                  Are Estonians already in space?

                  The Estonians never intended to fly anywhere or move. All their industry began in the Russian Empire, all the old factories - "Engine", "Volta, three shipyards were created in 1898-1912, and others in the Soviet era. And what 940 thousand people can do. Plant potatoes and process them." And the rest is a service sector. ”Maybe they think slowly, but if they do something, then they don't need to stand with a stick behind their back.
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 28 August 2019 19: 36
          0
          And you can reliably lie on the couch and do nothing, then it’s sure that nothing bad will happen! Which, in fact, has been done by Roscosmos in recent years, and here is the result!
      3. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 26 August 2019 21: 17
        -1
        Quote: svp67
        Quote: figvam
        A very rash decision

        Why? They know how to count money.

        It is not a matter of money, but of safety.
    2. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 26 August 2019 19: 46
      +2
      How did the merchants of Peter the Great sell hemp to the British there? Now for the ruble, tomorrow for 3, and the day after tomorrow ...
      Let the Americans deliver at least one to the ISS ...
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 29 August 2019 09: 47
        0
        Deliver don't worry
    3. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 26 August 2019 19: 47
      +7
      You can argue about the rash. No fools sit in decisive bodies. The legacy of Korolev is not infinite.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 26 August 2019 19: 52
      +8
      Quote: figvam
      ESA refuses to fly to the International Space Station (ISS) aboard Russian Soyuz.

      A very rash decision

      It’s interesting that Rogozin will say something about this .. that he has stopped witting something for the last time ...
      1. freejack
        freejack 26 August 2019 20: 02
        -14
        They will not succeed (I'm talking about amers), So "A very rash decision" + I join!;)

        If OUR allows such a Humpty Dumpty in Space and at Cosmodromes, it is only because they have Humpty Dumpty an order of magnitude higher! ... hi
        1. energoteknolog
          energoteknolog 27 August 2019 05: 33
          -5
          Yeah, above Humpty Dumpty they have, an order of magnitude. Perhaps because of this, the economy of only one state surpasses the entire economy of Russia?
          1. K-612-O
            K-612-O 27 August 2019 06: 20
            +2
            I wonder what, despite the fact that in the first half of the NSFB lost 1,9 trillion grinders?
            1. energoteknolog
              energoteknolog 27 August 2019 23: 46
              -3
              Well Texas for example.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 26 August 2019 20: 08
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: figvam
        ESA refuses to fly to the International Space Station (ISS) aboard Russian Soyuz.

        A very rash decision

        It’s interesting that Rogozin will say something about this .. that he has stopped witting something for the last time ...

        Come on, getting ready for the demobilization - well, there’s an album there, they’ll make a little more money. Not to acuity, however laughing
        1. den3080
          den3080 26 August 2019 20: 53
          0
          axelbands sewn to the parade

          demobilization he and Africa demobilization laughing
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 26 August 2019 20: 57
            +1
            Quote: den3080
            axelbands sewn to the parade

            demobilization he and Africa demobilization laughing

            I'm even afraid to imagine his parade laughing
            1. Ezekiel 25-17
              Ezekiel 25-17 26 August 2019 21: 20
              +4
              Quote: Doliva63
              Quote: den3080
              axelbands sewn to the parade

              demobilization he and Africa demobilization laughing

              I'm even afraid to imagine his parade laughing

              He walks in civilian life. And by the way, it’s quite adequate: I could communicate.
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 27 August 2019 04: 13
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        Rogozin will say something about it .. something that has recently stopped witting
        Rogozin is not up to it; he was planning to build a new office in the center of Moscow.
        1. RideMaster
          RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 22
          -1
          At this office, the dough will obviously be raised more than with the delivery of astronauts, so everyone is doing the right thing
      4. Grits
        Grits 27 August 2019 05: 14
        -1
        Quote: Svarog
        something the last time stopped wit ...

        Looks, just in case, I switched to the study of fen
    5. loki565
      loki565 26 August 2019 20: 33
      +2
      Before the first accident, and then again they will fly on ours, with the shuttles already passed
    6. Nikas Porechenkov
      Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 02: 02
      -6
      Hmm, the bondmen do not understand! If Roskosmos loses this income too, then extinguish the light!
      1. RideMaster
        RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 48
        +3
        There was never income there. As in any other country. The stupidity of people is surprising, they cry as if the budget has lost a lot because of this.
        As they poured money into it, they will be pushing it into development. Everywhere space is an expense item.
        1. Nikas Porechenkov
          Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 02: 55
          -5
          The expense article is where effective managers are sitting!
          1. RideMaster
            RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 00
            +3
            Liber or what?
            You are told that in any space power space is an expenditure item, and you shout slogans.
            Or are you 90 percent of people who are important to be "right" and do not care about the facts?
            1. Nikas Porechenkov
              Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 03: 04
              -1
              Judging by your logic, then Roskosmos does not need to launch commercial satellites and make money this time is an expense item! And spend budget funds!
              1. RideMaster
                RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 32
                +1
                Judging by my logic, there is no need to hysteria like you do. As if everything, failure, Putin brought ...
                You yourself understand that you are bending, unless of course the liber is simple.
                For 26 flights, the contract was for 1 billion 300 lyamov like - this is to launch on satellites. It’s unlikely that even a lard a year came out for delivering people.
                In any case, only on the grain of 20 lards are raised.

                100 lards per year are put in the capsule. I think it’s not a problem to finance space lard and quietly develop new projects.
                High incomes to raise in just space will not work. Well, in the sense of just flying on rockets. Their companions make travel and sell more money. Sooner or later, all third countries of the world will ripen to their satellites, this market needs to be rolled out and made by the satellites themselves.
                1. Nikas Porechenkov
                  Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 03: 39
                  -4
                  I agree if this is interplanetary research or military space! Everything else should be profitable! Elon Musk has long been making money on this!
                  1. RideMaster
                    RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 42
                    +5
                    Proofs about how many elon masks earned in space.
                    I'm really looking forward to it.
                    You scorch mister suburban. Only yours have such an attitude towards the mask.
                    1. Nikas Porechenkov
                      Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 03: 45
                      -3
                      Proofs are on the Internet! You can dig yourself if you wish! Plus on the website of Ilona Mask income and expenses report! I am not Ukrainian, I understand that there are no other problems in Russia except Ukraine!
                      1. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 46
                        +2
                        Musk did not receive a cent of space revenue. There in minus another 10 will be.
                      2. Nikas Porechenkov
                        Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 03: 49
                        -3
                        Well yes! He is in the red and does everything on credit without earning anything! He doesn’t know how to cut like in Roskosmos! And his journalists run the company!
                      3. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 01
                        +2
                        Yes, he does everything on credit with taxpayer money.
                        America as such is in the cons of this project. Well, the highest ranks in nasa, I think, too, are stuffed with pockets.
                        In Russia, the exact same system is used, only we have a Roskosmos for which money is allocated, and then there is a mask directly with its spaceix to whom it loots loot by concluding contracts.
                        Cheto, you do not yell in this case that it would be better if money were distributed to pensioners.
                        There are no benefits for the state and will not be for a very long time.
                      4. Nikas Porechenkov
                        Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 04: 06
                        -5
                        For those who are explaining in staples: Ilon Mask is a private trader, and Roscosmos is a state corporation! Feel the difference! And since you have a stew and you can’t see the capitalization of Ilon Mask, I’m giving a brief information: The company, which plans to send people to Mars, raised $ 350 million last month, and its cost was estimated at $ 21 billion. The mask belongs to more than half the value of this business. I don’t care about pensioners! I am not a citizen of the Russian Federation
                      5. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 14
                        +5
                        How much has the state treasury received from this?
                        The fact that they have sacked their grandmothers is understandable, what is the profit from this for taxpayers and the country?
                        Well, you started with this saying that ineffective managers.
                        I understand that for you the profit from space is a blown bubble on stocks and attracting dough?

                        That is, Rogozin means stealing, and the mask attracts money. Well, a classic of double standards.
                        The value of the company in this case is an ordinary bubble.
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                      7. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 20
                        +8
                        Private trader means you can walk on budget money, everything is clear with you.
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                      9. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 28
                        +3
                        Dada in the land of elves is of course all honest. Some kind of muddy people with muddy ideas suddenly outperforms a Boeing.
                        It is only in America you can give a mask lard and there, well, the racket on the 250 lyamov and that boh with it exploded.) We have a lot of money in nasa, go for a ride on everything.
                        I think the scheme there is serious and offshore ranks in nasa normally transferred to themselves.
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                      11. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 37
                        +5
                        The training manual went, it is not interesting more with you outskirts
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                      13. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 48
                        +2
                        And in the United States or Finoiandia you can also buy a baguette for 35 rubles and a communal apartment for a one-room 2400 per month?
                        Or in Canada there are houses in 150 square. M. Of brick for 80 000 dollars and with a yard in 8 hundred? Remind me that I don’t know.
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                      15. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 05: 09
                        +5
                        I earn 70 per month and buy good bread like in the USSR for 26 rubles and a baguette for 35 rubles. Everything suits me. Although I could earn 180 as average in America and buy good bread for 300 rubles.
                        It only makes the course expensive to America and Europe, and in the same Philippines for Russians it’s quite affordable.

                        Regarding the course, this is all artificial.
                        As well as GDP are inflated on the cost of products and services.
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                      17. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 59
                        +1
                        Take it higher - they will shoot the naker from the anti-aircraft gun.
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                      19. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 05: 10
                        +3
                        See less Ukrainian tv.
                      20. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 05: 13
                        +2
                        Considering that in 2018 the budget was 246 lard and in 2019 the budget was 307 lard and surplus (well, there is a deficit in America for 800 lard every year but they can be printed), yes, we are approaching North Korea. Our eyes are knocked out by the fucking Rosgvardeyts ... oh, I'm sorry, I confused France.
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                      22. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 30
                        +3
                        Boeing, too, at one time won as well as the mask. When such a loot is poured here it is difficult to lose. In fact, the Americans in a state of cheapness generally carry only to pick up this niche. It is difficult to fight with those who print themselves on 800 bucks a year.
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                      24. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 38
                        +4
                        And then Rogozin themselves shared that Roskosmos state office and private mask. And you yourself are naughty Rogozin with a mask equal. This is not the case with your manuals.
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                      26. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 49
                        +3
                        It’s a pity you even became a training manual instead of a brain. So living at least uninteresting.
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                      28. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 05: 01
                        +4
                        The mask does not explode or fall at all. You have direct vision and hearing.
                        Economics in opera by indicators? GDP is small because a haircut for 150 rubles and not like in America for 20 dollars?
                        Well yes.
                      29. Mephody
                        Mephody 28 August 2019 14: 08
                        0
                        I wonder if you live up to the deadline indicated as the date of the flight to Mars (which I sincerely wish you) and make sure that the Martian scam was an elegant way of extracting money from investors, described in 12 Chairs under the name New Vasyuki (in than I personally am convinced), will you admit that you are wrong or will you find convincing excuses?
                  2. RideMaster
                    RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 44
                    +4
                    I wrote above the cost of a bed in the union of 90 lyamov. Calculate how many per year these taxis brought into space. This is a penny. So if you are not a Liber and not an outskirts, just be objective and do not disgrace.
                    1. Nikas Porechenkov
                      Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 03: 47
                      -5
                      Then Roskosmos should carry for free, given the fact that in the Russian Federation they do not know how to make money in space! "I am not a liber and not a suburbanite and not a follower of the irreplaceable emperor Pugabe
                      1. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 04
                        +3
                        America does not earn on spaceics.
                        Nasa gave the space to X. Lard, the mask on the 900 lyamov made rockets part took off, the part exploded, the mask put 100 lyamov in his pocket.
                        How much has the state earned?

                        In fact, they liked 900 lyamov taxpayer money.
                        Right now, here at 70 launches, contracts for 10 lords from the pockets of taxpayers still decided to pull.
                      2. Nikas Porechenkov
                        Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 04: 07
                        -7
                        How much did imperial Russia earn from Rogozin?
                      3. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 04: 18
                        +4
                        I wrote to you right away if you don’t buy an outskirts I repeat - space is an expense item in any state. Because there is no real profit from this. Income can come from the Internet, for example, and the like, but the space industry is here only in the role of a cargo supplier. But you won’t earn on the launch itself, since the development of new technologies costs more than they get for these launches.
                        Therefore, neither the United States nor Russia nor China, and so on, have income from space. Musk yes, raising money, stocks. But what profit did the state get from this, besides billions of taxpayer money poured into it through nasa?
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                      5. RideMaster
                        RideMaster 27 August 2019 11: 10
                        +5
                        No one offers a cut.
                        You are so enraged by the fact that space does not generate income, I do not understand?
                        I take it calmly. This is an expense item. And so it was and will be.
                        Because even if from Mars what kind of conditional thread they start to carry gold here and it will still not soon come off the space invested in space for all years.
                      6. Mephody
                        Mephody 28 August 2019 14: 13
                        0
                        Are you not a follower of Putabe, but a follower of the irreplaceable chancerol Merzhaba?
    7. smart ass
      smart ass 28 August 2019 19: 34
      0
      Well done Americans applaud standing up! Everything is predictable and a surprise only for Roskosmos and Mr. Rogozin.
  2. WILL
    WILL 26 August 2019 19: 41
    0
    It’s a pity ... Russia has lost another piece of the space market.
    We are waiting for tomorrow, maybe Fedka will change his mind and dock to the ISS! what
    1. svp67
      svp67 26 August 2019 19: 45
      +4
      Quote: ANIMAL
      Russia has lost another piece of the space market.

      But we have good "trampolines"
      Quote: ANIMAL
      maybe Fedka will change his mind and dock to the ISS!

      Again "one for all" is blown away ... And even the "Mauser" was not allowed to shoot himself
      1. WILL
        WILL 26 August 2019 19: 53
        -5
        Yes ... it's a shame crying crying crying if a fighter - drown like a kitten!
        Eh ... Fedya, Fedya ... recourse
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 August 2019 19: 54
          -4
          Quote: ANIMAL
          if a fighter - drown like a kitten!

          Or maybe he knows how to swim ... Who knows what he managed to learn during the flight in orbit
        2. den3080
          den3080 26 August 2019 20: 58
          +1
          Well, something like that probably ?? smile
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 26 August 2019 19: 53
        0
        Quote: svp67
        Again "one for all" is blown away ... And even the "Mauser" was not allowed to shoot himself

        Interestingly, does Rogozin have a Mauser?
        1. svp67
          svp67 26 August 2019 19: 55
          +9
          Quote: Svarog
          Interestingly, does Rogozin have a Mauser?

          He has a long tongue, that would suffocate in cases of which
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            1. svp67
              svp67 26 August 2019 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: Svarog
              .u GDP after meeting with him the gait changes somehow

              Roughly ... I really don't understand why Ragozin is being held in this position, "not according to Senka's hat." He should go where there is a lot to say, but not much to do ...
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 26 August 2019 20: 01
                -5
                Quote: svp67
                Quote: Svarog
                .u GDP after meeting with him the gait changes somehow

                Roughly ... I really don't understand why Ragozin is being held in this position, "not according to Senka's hat." He should go where there is a lot to say, but not much to do ...

                That’s the point, when I drove the NATO members I really liked him .. and now, no .. as well as the results, no.
                1. Town Hall
                  Town Hall 26 August 2019 20: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Svarog
                  that's when I drove the NATO members I really liked him ..

                  Tongue drove .. it's not drag bags into space
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 27 August 2019 04: 45
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                I really don't understand why Ragozin is being held in this position, "it's not a hat for Senka."
                Because Rogozin is his own person. Take any state corporation, the people there have their own leadership (at the same time sometimes without specialized education and did not work at the enterprise in production positions), but they all managed to prove their loyalty to the president, and he appreciates this apparently more professional skills.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 26 August 2019 19: 59
              +3
              Quote: Svarog
              Quote: svp67
              He has a long tongue, that would suffocate in cases of which

              I think he uses it for another purpose .. after the meeting with him, the GDP changes like that laughing wassat

              Uncle, go around the edge, don’t you? wink
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 26 August 2019 21: 58
                -4
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Uncle, go around the edge, don’t you?

                Calm down, don’t worry about me .. listen to the music .. And it’s hard work for you to defend the space future of Russia .. Patriots, damn it ...
        2. WILL
          WILL 26 August 2019 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          Quote: svp67
          Again "one for all" is blown away ... And even the "Mauser" was not allowed to shoot himself

          Interestingly, does Rogozin have a Mauser?

          For what purpose are you interested ??? request Shoot - He (Rogozin) ... certainly will not!
          In general, he has one of the largest collections of award weapons! He only has Red Revolutionary harem pants (as in the movie Officers) laughing
          1. Avior
            Avior 26 August 2019 23: 22
            -1
            But didn’t he try to shoot himself in the leg?
        3. Simargl
          Simargl 26 August 2019 21: 02
          -1
          Quote: Svarog
          Interestingly, does Rogozin have a Mauser?
          PM is. It should be enough.
      3. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 August 2019 19: 58
        +6
        Quote: svp67
        But we have good "trampolines"

        what are these trampolines? those in every supermarket, those are Chinese
      4. figwam
        figwam 26 August 2019 20: 50
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        But we have good "trampolines"

        We have trampolines unlike Mask
    2. KOCMOC
      KOCMOC 26 August 2019 20: 17
      +10
      Quote: figvam
      A very rash decision

      It is precisely that a deliberate decision and for a long time, but these are just regular words, premature or not, wait and see, they said it, they will say the opposite, it will come down from them.
      Quote: ANIMAL
      It’s a pity ... Russia has lost another piece of the space market.

      There is nothing to regret, these are not our needs, not our tasks, and not our market, sooner or later this was to happen and it was naive to expect otherwise. Cut down a little dough and that's enough. For a long time, they were catching up with us, and finally they were catching up, they are stepping on our heels. On the other hand, on the contrary, it’s even for the better, because some silly managers still believe that space should be cost-effective and self-sustaining. Space is the prerogative of the state and the military, respectively, and should be financed entirely from the budget, while they are obliged to solve their own problems and all space programs must comply with these goals.
    3. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 30
      +4
      And where is the market? And with the USSR and now space is an expenditure item that we have in any other country. There is no income there to even cover expenses.
  3. lucul
    lucul 26 August 2019 19: 42
    +5
    It is not yet known which ship it will be — Crew Dragon or Starliner — clarity will come only on the results of test flights.

    Ie they will test the Europeans? ))))
  4. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 26 August 2019 19: 48
    -7
    Well, well, we'll still look at them when our revolutionary ship federation is ready
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 26 August 2019 20: 09
      +7
      Quote: Valerik1337
      Well, well, we'll still look at them when our revolutionary ship federation is ready

      Are you tired of trolling and provoking? Not? In my opinion, the "revolutionary federation" will start with another robot on board, very soon and for a very long time.
    2. Nikas Porechenkov
      Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 02: 07
      -7
      The revolutionary robot Fedor will soon study the seabed! It’s not for nothing that the President dived for exploration!
      1. Mephody
        Mephody 28 August 2019 14: 18
        0
        The bad predictor of you. Fedya docked on the second attempt. Your wet mries have not come true. Be patient. You should.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 August 2019 19: 49
    -3
    I don’t see tragedy in this, but we need to choke faster, otherwise we ourselves will rent a man seat in other people's spaceships! We need healthy competition, we also need a PRIVATE AND HONEST Russian space services provider.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 26 August 2019 19: 56
      +15
      In the old days, they somehow got along without "honest and private". After 1991, too many "honest and private" climbed out across the country. Still hiccupped.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 26 August 2019 20: 01
      +9
      Quote: Thrifty
      We need healthy competition, we also need a PRIVATE AND HONEST Russian space services provider.

      We are fed up with healthy competition with cuts in state money. We need a state corporation and demonstrative executions of the negligent
    3. sogdy
      sogdy 28 August 2019 12: 37
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      we also need a PRIVATE AND HONEST Russian space service provider.

      Budget private owner (actually corruption) - I already have fun with you.
    4. Mephody
      Mephody 28 August 2019 14: 20
      +1
      Do you think Mask is honest and private? God forbid from such private traders.
  6. Nycomed
    Nycomed 26 August 2019 19: 53
    -8
    Hello "Trampoline"! lol
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 August 2019 22: 03
      -2
      Yeah, mutually.
      Hello to the skakuas from the square.
  7. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 26 August 2019 19: 55
    +24
    Already in the 17 year, the company proceeded from the assumption that the 18 will be the last to work with the USA and the EU. There was no doubt that they would refuse us, well, they had detained their Dragon for a year, they would refuse to 20. Yes, even if they do not have time again, then in 21m, maximum in 22m.
    For enterprises, this will be a serious blow. no orders - no work, Russian space will send two expeditions for six months. Instead of 4x launches, there will be two launches a year, and if they also start sending for a year for the sake of economy, then there will be only one launch a year, and this is a DISASTER.
    Everyone is talking about effective managers and managers, let’s say that they are important, but the question is, what are they thinking about and where is their development strategy for manned space exploration?
    But she is limping just like the unfinished Federation with the Hangara, where the question is no longer even "When?" and "Will there be?"
    1. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 32
      +2
      Well, if you work there, do you not know that the whole cosmos is in subsidies from the state. What are you pumping up?
    2. Mephody
      Mephody 28 August 2019 14: 21
      0
      The future belongs to unmanned space exploration. No matter how sad it is.
  8. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 26 August 2019 19: 57
    0
    This is most likely a promise in the direction of our office. That is - you will lift up the price - we will leave to competitors.
    Both this and next year, ESA astronauts will fly on Soyuz.
    But you should not sleep and scatter trampolines. It is necessary to sniff, because they bypass !!!
    1. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 03: 36
      +5
      Armats means it’s better to distribute to pensioners, but here you are ready to invest money in an expense item in order to raise some extra 200 lyam a year? Let's invest in soybeans right away)
      Cheto somehow you do not grow together. Do you really immediately open up for drowning at all?)
  9. Aliken
    Aliken 26 August 2019 19: 57
    -6
    And if they ask again back after the accident of the American ship? I would refuse, let the elbows bite, but Roscosmos will accept with open arms, they will also make discounts, they will all be dew.
    1. loki565
      loki565 26 August 2019 20: 38
      +4
      they will raise the price tag and sell the belets, as it was with the shuttles, nothing new.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 27 August 2019 07: 06
      +1
      Quote: Aliken
      And if they ask again back

      Perhaps so, because in this article they did not agree on the VO, but on other resources it is clearly said "The representative of the department found it difficult to say, when the agency can resume flights of its astronauts to the station on Russian shipsexplaining that this issue is being discussed with ISS partners.

      In turn, the Russian cosmonaut Pavel Vinogradov explained that the Americans were always very worried about "very good relations and work with the French and Germans" with Russia, "they did their best to destroy this cooperation."

      According to him, the Russian space program will not suffer any losses from the ESA decision. Vinogradov also expressed confidence that the number of flights on Soyuz will not decrease, citing the planned flight of an astronaut from the UAE as an example.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 August 2019 12: 42
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        “The representative of the department found it difficult to say when the agency can resume flights of its astronauts to the station on Russian ships, explaining that this issue is being discussed with partners in the ISS.

        Translated from diplomatic into Russian: no money allocated, the money went to NATO (USA).
  10. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 26 August 2019 19: 59
    +4
    It should be taken as a deliberate infliction of economic damage to Russia by the "partners". And the all-encompassing confrontation can be overcome only through the complete surrender of Russia. It will not dissolve by itself. Crimea and the rights of gays are only reasons for them, if there are no such reasons, others will find them. "They beat the weak," - Joseph Stalin (c).
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 August 2019 22: 06
      -2
      The main thing is not to help them from the inside - at least stop voting and crying on the Internet.
  11. Kontrik
    Kontrik 26 August 2019 20: 02
    -4
    In the coming years, our astronauts will fly on American ships

    Everything is interconnected .. I feel scared of our FEDOR!
    That hysteria then started in the west .. well, if they don’t value the lives of their astronauts, let them try to fly engines in the USA .. And this, the Mask of the touted and publicized ..
    Fly gentlemen, no one forbids you
    And Russia can, China, North Korea, India to throw into space! And we can build a joint station .. Where we will be in charge!
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 26 August 2019 20: 58
      0
      Now it's not like the station. and they can’t build one module, the cooperation was extremely profitable, and in many ways it was saving for the Russian cosmonautics, and it’s a pity that Russian space could not use it
  12. 3vs
    3vs 26 August 2019 20: 04
    -3
    Trampolines, and, comrade Rogozin?
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 26 August 2019 22: 07
      -3
      In the meantime, only trampolines. There are no real launches. So Rogozin is right, whatever one may say.
      Well, no one said that this would go on forever.
      Hi, Olesha.
  13. Amateur
    Amateur 26 August 2019 20: 07
    +4
    Starting next year, European astronauts will fly to the ISS only on American ships.

    As soon as Musk takes at least one astronaut to somewhere, he will immediately send everyone to Mars.
    It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time
    I don’t have to - neither to me, nor to you. (N. Nekrasov)
  14. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 26 August 2019 20: 11
    0
    Where have you been ... drank beer ...
  15. mark1
    mark1 26 August 2019 20: 16
    0
    Yes, not everything is so bad. no need to grieve ... As monopolists, we clocked up prices three times four from the optimal, if we start to bring them to normal now, everything will be fine - we will fly.
  16. Alexander Ra
    Alexander Ra 26 August 2019 20: 17
    -4
    Now wait for squeezing us with the ISS Americans.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 26 August 2019 20: 40
      -4
      Thank! The Chinese will say. They will disconnect the Russian modules and dock their own to them.
    2. loki565
      loki565 26 August 2019 20: 41
      +1
      And what, our scientific laboratory is not there, but we import fuel and disperse the station. Let's go with the Chinese to build the lunar ISS)))
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 17
        -2
        why isn’t she there? and why do the Chinese need Russia? they have enough of their own money, and why?
        1. loki565
          loki565 26 August 2019 21: 18
          -3
          there is no technology and knowledge, therefore, they cannot create a jet engine for destroyers.
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 48
            -3
            and rocket can. and create. and fly more often than others, and a new generation ship is already fully rowed in iron. and two unpretentious stations have already been launched, do you think they will not cope? and if they can’t do it. they certainly won’t drag the international station at their own expense as the Americans did, Russia did not take the chance that had turned up, the second one would not turn up soon
    3. slipped
      slipped 26 August 2019 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Ra
      Now wait for squeezing us with the ISS Americans.


      It's impossible. In our absence at the station, it will simply fall. lol
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 20
        -3
        Why did it happen? the signatures have already lifted its orbit, and dragons can theoretically do this (just haven't tried it)
        1. slipped
          slipped 26 August 2019 21: 24
          +5
          Quote: zlinn
          Why did it happen? the signatures have already lifted its orbit, and dragons can theoretically do this (just haven't tried it)


          And from that it would be that Swan did not stretch the horse then. Then I had to hold out Progress. laughing
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 54
            -6
            Well, it was a test, and it was fastened in a bad place so no one was counting on a full correction there. but a European truck with exactly the same propulsion system coped with this task
            1. slipped
              slipped 26 August 2019 21: 59
              +6
              Quote: zlinn
              Well, it was a test, and it was fastened in a bad place so no one was counting on a full correction there.


              Nothing like this. We counted on a full-fledged one. But they didn’t. Although they reported victoriously afterwards - they say they raised it by more than a hundred meters, but the station quickly subsided later, Progress had to raise it by two hundred something.

              Quote: zlinn
              but a European truck with exactly the same propulsion system coped with this task


              ATV could not perform roll correction. And they are already over. Now only KDU "Zvezdy" and DPO "Progress MS", the latter also delivers fuel.
              1. zlinn
                zlinn 26 August 2019 23: 04
                -5
                Yes, you’re right, in general, but this is because the correction problem is completely solvable, and the dragon in the trunk can bring in one-time booster blocks. just do it will be difficult for them to break through the Yankees
  17. Svetlana
    Svetlana 26 August 2019 20: 19
    +7
    Politicians, as always, try to run ahead of the horse. The Americans still do not really fly, but in time for them to play along with this for Western politicians, it is obligatory. How without it?
    Wait and see. And the Union, although morally outdated and uncomfortable for the "passengers", has not yet been invented more reliable.
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 12
      -7
      the union, in general, is not the most reliable ship, on the one hand it has the same 2 disasters as the shuttles for about the same number of flights, but they were there for a long time, but non-fatal avrias with the union had a wagon and a small cart. and with his brother, progress doesn’t matter at all, what keeps Americans and Europeans in serious tension, and the expectation that there’s going to be a serious mess, and the bell rang last year, but because at the first opportunity they will change to something else
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 28 August 2019 12: 51
        +1
        Do you quote Venichka Erofeev? And what does this Bavarian have to do with anything?
  18. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 26 August 2019 20: 38
    +2
    And what? The ships they still have. Services worked out. Launcher - highly reliable ...
    "I had one ... I wanted to fly. I put him on a barrel of gunpowder - let him fly!"
  19. PValery53
    PValery53 26 August 2019 20: 39
    +3
    If (God forbid) the Europeans "unsuccessfully" fly off on an American ship, the "tariff" should be sharply raised on our ship so that they do not "be capricious" in the future.
  20. slipped
    slipped 26 August 2019 20: 46
    +11
    "European Space Agency refuses Russian" Soyuz ""

    And the casket just opens. Here are just a article about it again not a word. laughing

    European astronauts fly on the ISS according to the American quota. Those. their astronaut takes advantage of the station’s American crew seat. Therefore, as they were told to proceed further, so they do. They want to deliver their astronaut later for money - let them pay, we will deliver.

    By the way, the Americans wanted to do something similar with our astronauts at the lunar station. So that we fly there according to their quotas. A bummer happened to them. laughing
  21. Berkut24
    Berkut24 26 August 2019 20: 50
    +7
    Well, well ... When your toilet breaks down again with the Americans, don't ask to come to our sector. And now we also don't sell tickets for the reserve Soyuz for emergency evacuation. Or we sell, but at the market price. Walk around the ISS market, bargain.
  22. K-50
    K-50 26 August 2019 21: 01
    +2
    According to a representative of the European Space Agency, from next year, ESA refuses flights to the International Space Station (ISS) on Russian Soyuz. The flight of the Italian cosmonaut Luca Parmetano on 20 this July in the crew of the Russian manned spacecraft Soyuz MS-13 was the last. Starting next year, European astronauts will fly to the ISS only on American ships.

    Since the pinned spacecraft have not yet shown themselves (manned), it seems that ESA will launch its astronauts in the form of "test monkeys".
    They are so ready to "lick" the owner that they do not care about the safety of their own citizens. lol
    1. Nikas Porechenkov
      Nikas Porechenkov 27 August 2019 02: 05
      -5
      And what did Rassey manifest herself somehow? Or will it continue to live off the achievements of the USSR? Russia is not lucky under the Vlasov flag and the mythical 2's main eagle!
  23. Evil echo
    Evil echo 26 August 2019 21: 07
    -2
    The flag in hand, only in the night somewhere Rogozin cries quietly, the loot will flow into the African pocket. May God grant that their flights without victims be.
    1. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 39
      +2
      What loot? We earn a lot more on grain than on space.
      Space is just technology. One side. On the other hand, there is already the same technology end-to-end. Without a breakthrough, everyone is marking time in one place and that's all. I personally do not understand at all what this ISS gives, what was it that they experimented with that ensured a breakthrough in the development of civilization? Nifiga is the correct answer. Fun for the "great" powers.
  24. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 August 2019 21: 09
    +7
    Let them fly first, get certified ... Well, they couldn’t fly on our ships for such a long time ... And so how many years after the failure of the Shuttle program. And why no one recalls this serious NASA failure ...
    1. zlinn
      zlinn 26 August 2019 21: 40
      -4
      Well, not a failure. 135 missions and built by the ISS 800 people sent to space ... expensive of course, but they could afford it
  25. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 August 2019 21: 10
    +1
    All is well, this is to be expected .... Only we need to introduce "safety" launches of our spacecraft at a double rate.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 28 August 2019 12: 59
      0
      Quote: Zaurbek
      .Only need to introduce "safety" launches of our spacecraft at a double rate.

      Vashcheta, repair work and rescue - a triple rate up to five times.
  26. Oyo Sarkazmi
    Oyo Sarkazmi 26 August 2019 21: 40
    +7
    What is premature. There are still no American ships, but they are already belted. They would have waited for the second manned test flight, then they would have gone to the exit.
  27. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 26 August 2019 21: 44
    +3
    Until American ships fly, they will suck on their paw.
    I think the Yankees put a lot of pressure on ESA.
  28. Azazelo
    Azazelo 26 August 2019 21: 46
    +2
    Well, 13 astronauts and one school teacher have already saved the Yankees in the atmosphere .... so good luck.
  29. bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 August 2019 21: 50
    0
    It seems like in June we were already flying on a demacratic dragon from the light-eyed Ilon of our reverend Mask, or they still didn’t fly away, but everyone was going. How many times have you flown three or four times, and who remembers ?. As the saying goes, don’t say gop until you jump over, otherwise you won’t take it and it won’t fly there. still spinning the Rogozin trampoline laughing
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 28 August 2019 13: 01
      0
      Quote: bmv04636
      How many times already flew three or four times, and who remembers ?.

      I counted 8 times. Of these, 2 reached the iron.
  30. Kelwin
    Kelwin 26 August 2019 21: 50
    +1
    It was predictable - a tablecloth road. In the next act, minus the ISS, and then the shutter of the "lunar and Martian missions" will be pulled off, and combat platforms will hang in orbit and the organ meting will continue if we survive
  31. Voronezh-90
    Voronezh-90 26 August 2019 22: 11
    -1
    And it’s not very necessary to carry their cosmonauts into space! We ourselves have already seen how the flow of our astronauts into space has grown, and FEDOR is already there, getting ready to fly to the Moon and Mars!
    1. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 41
      0
      Local commentators are surprised. They live badly in "Rashka". Then let's throw everything into space, fly to the moon to Mars. Nakuya to fly there at the moment? You understand that this is a dough loss without any profit at all.
  32. Fantazer911
    Fantazer911 26 August 2019 22: 20
    -2
    Well, now you have to see Ragozin having to jump on a trampoline, such managers have left the money from the treasury of the Blogodoria!
    1. RideMaster
      RideMaster 27 August 2019 02: 42
      0
      Space is an expenditure item, there are no incomes there.
      And especially in the treasury to postpone something from this.
  33. comradChe
    comradChe 26 August 2019 22: 36
    +2
    Good luck.
  34. parkello
    parkello 26 August 2019 23: 22
    +1
    yes a trampoline to help you .. at least fly on a vacuum cleaner .. yes
  35. AVA77
    AVA77 26 August 2019 23: 33
    +1
    There was an article on VO. (NASA will refuse flights to the ISS on Russian "Soyuz" from May 2020.) The Americans offered us to fly in mixed crews on their new ships, apparently ours refused. So they found (hot European guys). Why the Americans It's simple. Americans are insured.
    In the event of an emergency on board with a mixed crew, it automatically gains international status. If only Americans are on board, then the status is national.
    1. Town Hall
      Town Hall 26 August 2019 23: 34
      -3
      Quote: AVA77
      There was an article on VO. (NASA from May 2020 will refuse flights to the ISS on Russian "Unions").
      They offered us to fly mixed crews on their new ships, apparently ours refused. That's where they found (hot European guys). Why do the Americans need this? It's simple. The Americans are insured.
      In the event of an emergency on board with a mixed crew, it automatically gains international status. If only Americans are on board, then the status is national.

      So what?
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 26 August 2019 23: 58
        +2
        Nothing .. An accident with the American crew is a blow to the US space program, and a screech from every iron is what Americans do. Curved rockets that Rogozin did not even dream of.
        The accident with a mixed crew, the blow to international cooperation in space and the loss in general, for all of humanity, which the Americans are not sparing their lives in space, to freedom and democracy.
        1. Town Hall
          Town Hall 27 August 2019 00: 03
          -6
          This is undoubtedly a cunning plan of the Jewish masons from transnational corporations .. well, those who run the world government in short
  36. Nestorovich
    Nestorovich 27 August 2019 01: 38
    -2
    This is a mistake, a spare ship should always be in the cushion, on the contrary, Roskosmos would have to be fed so that it would not bend completely with these men.
  37. E.S.
    E.S. 27 August 2019 02: 32
    0
    I think the Germans and the Federal Socialist Party will think, think, and send either a Pole or a Ukrainian.
    This will be very useful for national myth-building at any flight outcome. You can save on insurance again
  38. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 27 August 2019 02: 57
    -5
    As, it says: "The animal crept up unnoticed." Well, how is the "trampoline person" doing with his own "without Russia in space"? But Russia also has "our FSE" -RD-180 ..... wink
  39. Shuttle
    Shuttle 27 August 2019 04: 06
    -3
    Here recently, Elvira Sakhipzadovna did not know where to loot to hang out. So she needs to throw an idea - she needs to build spaceships. And there you look and it will turn out to be a driver of the economy no worse than the military-industrial complex.
    It just seems to me that Nabiullina has slightly different goals and objectives.
  40. Awaz
    Awaz 27 August 2019 05: 43
    +2
    this statement is purely political. This is not conditioned by any common sense. Whatever one may say, but in fact so far the Americans have not provided a single manned flight to the ISS. Well, or the Europeans want to become the very "Belka and Strelka", well, duck - these are their problems.
    With all the failures of Roskosmos and its schools, the ESA statement is a monstrosity that Europe is not a partner for the Russian Federation. Duck and in general, Roscosmos probably, if they were an organization with a core, nafig would stop providing life support systems on the US side of the ISS and in the end would flood the station to the figs.
  41. sgr291158
    sgr291158 27 August 2019 05: 51
    0
    Try it, you might like it.
  42. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 August 2019 06: 11
    0
    From next year, the European Space Agency ESA will no longer use the Russian Soyuz spacecraft to send its cosmonauts to the ISS.
    We would also introduce sanctions and stop flying on the ISS.
  43. Ros 56
    Ros 56 27 August 2019 06: 30
    0
    These show-offs can cost Europeans a lot, Trump will quickly put them in a stall, especially if we equip our station. Each director is his own.
    The main thing is that then our people do not show magnanimity (at our own expense), but fight seven skins from them for their ambition. And the fact that they will contact us, and more than once, is beyond my doubt.
  44. 3vs
    3vs 27 August 2019 06: 38
    +1
    All friends, you can open the champagne!
    Fedor on the ISS! yes

    "The Soyuz MS-14 manned spacecraft carrying the Fedor robot docked on Tuesday in automatic mode to the aggregate compartment of the Zvezda service module of the International Space Station. This was reported by a TASS correspondent from the Mission Control Center near Moscow (MCC) broadcasting live.
    “There is a touch, there is a seizure,” said the MCC commentator. As specified, the docking took place a few minutes earlier than the scheduled time - at 6:08 Moscow time. It was originally planned to complete the operation at 6:12 Moscow time. "

    Source:
    www.mk.ru/social/2019/08/27/korabl-soyuz-ms14-s-robotom-fedorom-s-uspekhom-sostykovalsya-s-mks.html
  45. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 27 August 2019 06: 44
    0
    ... Unfortunately, Luca Parmitano's launch was the last one on Soyuz. In the coming years, our astronauts will fly on American ships

    Flag in hand wassat
  46. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 27 August 2019 06: 54
    0
    The fact that sooner or later the Americans and Europeans will create their own "minibuses" to the ISS was expected. Therefore, it is hysterical to shout: Everything ... Everything is lost !!!, - should not be. Remember the American shuttles - they are no longer there, and the Unions are still flying. Yes, the ISS itself is not a Euro-American development ... if the United States could independently create an orbital station that would make a profit, they would have already created - they have enough money))) But they still have not created it - or there is no commercial interest , or there are no brains and hands ... In Russia, as in other countries, there are no "breakthrough" space technologies yet. Investing huge amounts of money in orbital space is also not very profitable, so while we are working on a taxi ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 August 2019 09: 23
      0
      Well then why. And in delivery vehicles and demand.

      There is 2 concept of justified stations:
      Orbital hotel. Among the new ones, here is a private company according to their plan - with 100% load, the price of such a room will drop to 20 thousand per day. Large volume, privacy, minimal training - these are the advantages.


      Bigelow has a big hotel - they use inflatable modules that can be brought out with an ordinary rocket and then significantly increased in volume in orbit = providing enough space and rooms for several tourists at once.

      It depends on the means of delivery of tourists (the Union is very expensive) - and in a rather small market, that is, there are few who want it for that price. It is necessary to reduce still, especially delivery.

      Orbital scientific station. The ISS does not fit it well. However, work on such a station is, first of all, on delivery systems. The concept of the station involves:
      - large volumes of scientific modules;
      - quick installation and dismantling of equipment for the experiment;
      - delivery to the station of people with a minimum period of flight training (that is, scientists).

      The bottom line is simple. A university pays money or chooses its own slot for research. Forms a program of experiments, the necessary equipment, materials and performers. What thread Dragon delivers the whole set of equipment and materials. The next Dragon brings in the research staff after there 3-5 weeks of preparation. They conduct experiments during the paid / declared time, collect all the equipment = clean the laboratory module. And fly away. Dragon / Shuttle returns valuable equipment and drowns unnecessary. Next comes a new group with a different study.

      By type - it reminds how now you can take the work of a telescope anywhere in the world by reserving a window.

      The current ISS does not meet the requirements of either a hotel or a research station.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 27 August 2019 09: 48
        0
        For donavi49... Even in Turkey, hotels are not 100% full, and "VIPs" are about 30%))) So it's not a fact that everything will rush into orbit ... but I wrote, and you correctly emphasized about delivery to orbit, oh the fact that a TECHNOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH is needed in the space sphere, and they are engaged in technologies on EARTH. As long as the main component of space is commercial, not scientific, the breakthrough will not happen very soon. We still know very little about space, and our attempts to learn more are based on the paradigm of technological developments in the 60s of the 20th century.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 28 August 2019 13: 16
          0
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          based on the technological development paradigm of the 60s of the 20th century

          What? And not on the Arrow of 1913? Or "denial of history" again?
          In 61, nozzle material was created (official announcement). And for 160 km more than a day - this is 1913.
          1. Vitaly Tsymbal
            Vitaly Tsymbal 28 August 2019 13: 26
            0
            Sorry, dear, but I still do not understand what you mean? And the Arrow of 1913, the denial of history and the paradigm of technological development? Maybe you wanted to write something correct and clever, maybe it is, but I do not know the "Eseme language", and I do not understand its smatfon dialect at all))) Sorry for being behind the times and progress)))
  47. 1536
    1536 27 August 2019 07: 22
    -1
    Well, of course, Euro-Americans need to "take a bath, have a cup of coffee." And we have provided for such conditions on the Soyuz.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 28 August 2019 13: 10
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      Well, of course, Euro-Americans need to "take a bath, have a cup of coffee." And we have provided for such conditions on the Soyuz.

      And they, by the way, too. AND?
  48. Million
    Million 27 August 2019 08: 09
    -3
    Effective Putin’s managers got pissed off ...
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 28 August 2019 13: 12
      +1
      Quote: Million
      Effective Putin’s managers got pissed off ...

      In what? In the tear of Europe? Disbanded - fact. There is a result. So what are you doing?
  49. Roman070280
    Roman070280 27 August 2019 09: 16
    -2
    We will launch robots ..))
  50. pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 27 August 2019 09: 31
    -3
    The appointment of privileged loafers to the first leading roles led to the collapse of the Union. Is Rogozin's appointment more positive than Gorbachev's? The cynicism is that the harmfulness of the appointment is obvious from Putin to the collective farm janitor.