To replace the An-2 "Corn" will be created a new multi-purpose aircraft

A new aircraft to replace the An-2 "Corn" will be created in the near future, work on it will begin this year. It is reported by RIA News with reference to the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

A new aircraft with a capacity of 9-14 passengers will be created to replace the An-2. Previously planned for serial production from 2021, the single-engine aircraft TVS-2DTS Baikal, developed by the Siberian Research Institute aviation based on Kukuruznik, will not be produced; developments on it will be used to create a new LMS (light multi-purpose aircraft).

TVS-2DTS is an experimental model of an aircraft designed to test new technologies. Taking into account the scientific and technical backlog obtained during the creation of the TVS-2DTS, a new production aircraft is being created as part of the LMS

- explained in the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade.

The decision on the fate of the TVS-2DTS Baikal aircraft, as well as what technological features will be used to create the new aircraft, will be made in September, the aviation industry reported.

According to information available on the public procurement portal, the first prototype aircraft for static tests should be ready by December next year.

The decision to create a new aircraft to replace Kukuruzniku was made against the backdrop of the significant obsolescence of the existing fleet of An-2 aircraft and the already perceptible shortage of aircraft of this type for inter-regional passenger and cargo transportation, especially in areas that do not have a ground transportation system.

Comments

[yehat]

I don’t understand why the AN-3 has not been put into production for a long time.
This is a very popular car today. And they will make a new prototype - well, they will switch to it.
But constantly putting off production is some rotten meat.

[Civil]

The waiter repeat and bring the menu again, the show continues.

[srha]

I don’t understand for security reasons, and I also don’t understand for reasons of efficiency, how can single-engine aircraft be offered as passenger aircraft now?

[ltc35]

An-2 is so reliable and unpretentious that one engine is not a hindrance to its long-term operation. Once on takeoff, the engine caught fire. They landed, extinguished and after 15 minutes took off again. And there are hundreds of such cases. And he lands quietly with an idle engine. It does not require maintenance in the factory. Yes, and much more can be put to his advantage. Will a new match for the old man is a big question.

[srha]

Nevertheless, I prefer to fly on airplanes with running engines, in emergency cases - at least one of two. Do you risk sending your relatives to landings with a non-working engine?

[amax]

I will say so, it is better on the An-2 without an engine than on any other multi-engine, but with one working. In order to drop the An-2, you need to make an effort (however, it is quite realistic, although not very simple - the aerodynamics of the wing are very good), while it is not necessary to drop any other aircraft.

[knn54]

According to the Federal State Unitary Enterprise, as of mid-2017, 90% of the tasks of small aviation in Russia were still carried out by An-2 aircraft.
A "maize" is PO-2 (version U-2AP)., Produced until 1953.
PS China continues to produce the AN-2.

[Letun]

Quote: ltc35

Once on takeoff, the engine caught fire. They landed, extinguished and after 15 minutes took off again.

On another plane? Otherwise, to put it mildly, you are lying.

[ltc35]

Not at all. And only this one case of witnesses is not one hundred. There were parachuting competitions in 1989, Altai Territory. And I jumped directly from this side.

[Letun]

Quote: ltc35

By no means

Well, it means, nevertheless, a starryman ... This makes you a little related to the engine of the An-2 aircraft.

[ltc35]

And the engine didn’t please the old man? I’m not asking myself. Not V-shaped and then okay.

[Letun]

Quote: ltc35

And the engine didn’t please the old man? I’m not asking myself. Not V-shaped and then okay.

There are no complaints about the engine. There are some complaints against the stars and those near, plus his posts, which say that the plane lands with a fire of the engine, they put out the fire with something there, and after 15 minutes they release the plane back into the sky ... Well, lie , believe, thinking in 2019 is no longer fashionable.

[ltc35]

Never lied. Pathological truth-seeker, but you are an experienced flyer, and you are definitely aware of all the cases of flight practices of the Union and now Russia. Who am I to argue with you?

[Rzzz]

And with the V-shaped, what's wrong? They served well in due time. The truth is now in small aircraft, mostly boxer on 4 and 6 cylinders.

[ltc35]

Yes, I answered Comrade Letun about my relationship with a star engine. Because, as he apparently flew only on takeoff.

[not main]

Quote: ltc35

Will a new match for the old man is a big question.

Yes, it’s not a question of stuffing with electronics as a result of the inability to conduct preflight training by the crew. And that’s all ...

[AU Ivanov.]

The engine TVD-20 eats kerosene as if not in itself. In addition, the An-3 is not very suitable for aircraft chemical work.

[bar]

Do you have to use a regional plane for aircraft chemical work?

[AU Ivanov.]

The aircraft is multi-purpose, which means that its functions should not only be transport.

[bar]

It is clear that not only transport, but also passenger. But here to use it also for chemical work, in our time it is already borsch.

[Rzzz]

MS-21 is also not too suitable for aircraft chemical work. Now time is changing, already in all fields they are pollinating from a drone.

[Tashkent citizen]

I don’t understand why the AN-3 has not been put into production for a long time.

What's incomprehensible? The TVS-2DTS "Baikal" aircraft is already in operation. And launching into production is not very difficult. It's just that nobody needs it. And why?
But because a person is weak. And the person distributing state money is triple weak.
There will be another theft of money from the treasury.
It was the same with the replacement of the Tu-334 on the Superjet.
Nothing in this country is changing.

[Vladimir16]

And in what is changing?
Tashkent, in Uzbekistan is changing?

Starting production is really not a complicated matter.
Marketing and operation are much more difficult.
Who would buy, on what means, where and how to operate?
The Ministry of Industry and Trade does not answer these questions.

But mastering a budget is not a tricky business.
And here the Americans bypass us as standing

They create all kinds of crap unnecessary for billions.

[energoteknolog]

Oga, the Americans create all kinds of crap unnecessary for billions, which is probably why they have the strongest economy in the world. What’s the formula for success!

[Kasym]

Constantine, you are wrong. Yakutia has already signed a contract for the supply of Baikal from 2021, and in large quantities. "Arguments of the Week", last issue, article "Aviators without fiery motors". "28 thousand settlements of the country do not have ground communication ... Lat. America is ready to order 150 aircraft." You will find a lot of interesting things there.
Another thing is that the engine is Canadian.

[Voronezh-90]

Are you hinting at sanctions? Well, put the Crimean engines in a new plane - and go, release a new plane!

[Grits]

Quote: Kasym

Another thing is that the engine is Canadian.

And again, everything tripped over the engines. When will our country, rich in engineers, science and technology, learn to build engines? At least for cars, at least for ships, at least for airplanes. After all, pay attention - in this segment we constantly have failures. And the government is sleeping ...

[abc_alex]

Quote: Tashkent

But because a person is weak. And the person distributing state money is triple weak.

But they didn’t guess.
The problem with all new corn producers is their price. Tekuy park An-2 went to the owners either for free, or on near-halyav conditions. Service An-2 today up to the cap. engine repair costs thousands of dollars. Based on these costs, the price tag for services is formed.
And for the same fuel assembly, only the motor costs about a million dollars. The price of the aircraft itself was not announced at all. Imagine how much the repair and maintenance of such an aircraft will cost, and how you will have to raise prices for the services of companies. Consumers of small aviation services simply do not pull such price tags.
Therefore, no matter how many An-2 replacement projects are drawn, they will not give anything. Engineers cannot solve this problem. It can only be solved by a fundamental, 10-fold reduction in the price of finished cars compared to the cost. Ie large-scale state. subsidies specifically to this sector of air transportation. Ideal - exchange without surcharges An-2 for a new plane.
Then the existing projects will take off.

[kapitan92]

Quote: abc_alex

The problem with all new corn producers is their price.

You are absolutely right!

From YKTIMES.RU note that the price of 180 million rubles. makes this aircraft completely uncompetitive in the market. At the current exchange rate, this is $ 3 million. In 2011, GTLK purchased 15 Cessna 208B Grand Caravan aircraft and leased them to various airlines at a price of $ 2,5 million. These were Tatar, Buryat, Tomsk and some other carriers.

There was subsidizing leasing. Since 2012, all airlines that leased these aircraft have abandoned their further operation. Unprofitable. As Oleg Danilov, Deputy Director for Development of Tomsk-Avia Airlines, said, “Regardless of the availability of subsidies, even when fully loaded, flights are unprofitable.” This is at the cost of the plane half a million dollars less than the "new maize" ..
Without solving the financial side of the issue, you can forget about the large-scale production project of TVS-2DTS.
https://www.yktimes.ru/новости/tsena-tvs-2dts-pohoronit-proekt-krupnoseriynogo-proizvodstva/

[New Year day]

Quote: Tashkent

The TVS-2DTS "Baikal" aircraft is already in operation.

It costs 3 Milton S, Tsesna - 2,5. Airlines that took Cesna, stopped flights, it doesn’t pay off. There are no state subsidies for domestic air transportation, flying close, the population has no money. Accessories from behind the hill.

[Vadmir]

Airplane TVS-2DTS "Baikal" already exists

Here are just an engine on it, as far as I remember, American-made, which means that it is not.

[Piramidon]

Quote: yehat

I don’t understand why the AN-3 has not been put into production for a long time.

As I understand it, it's all about the engine, sanctions and other "sticks in wheels". And so it is the cheapest solution to the problem of small aircraft through modernization. All the same, with all its advantages, TVS-2DTS is a new machine, and how long it takes for us to test, certify, launch into a series ... probably everyone has heard a lot. In general, the primary task in this area is that you need your own engine.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Quote: yehat

I don’t understand why the AN-3 has not been put into production for a long time.
This is a very popular car today. And they will make a new prototype - well, they will switch to it.
But constantly putting off production is some rotten meat.

Lobbying apparently comes with varying success!

[loki565]

There is no engine on the AN-3.

[Metlik]

Putin and Medvedev serve Boeing and Airbus, not Russia. Killing and selling our plants is their main task.

[Shelest2000]

But constantly putting off production is some rotten meat.

The main thing here is not the result, but the process of cutting the allocated funds. Here I am 100% sure that it could not have done without it.

[svp67]

????? What for? Why create another "new" plane based on the "old woman Annushka" if "Baikal" has already been created and flew? Why not serialize it?

[Svetlana]

Most likely this is the effect of sanctions. That is, only domestic kitting will now be involved. From plastic to electronics.

Update: they write below that the American engine is worth it. Therefore, they are doing the right thing in not letting the series go.

[bar]

At the same time, rags again make rags. Domestic, homespun

[Svetlana]

If these rag wings will satisfy designers and their production will create work for hundreds of people, then yes, it makes sense. It is better to wait, build a factory and create jobs than to buy over a hill.

[bar]

They were going to organize the production of carbon fiber under MS-21. You can not immediately lay with a margin for the same maize or what other project?

[Svetlana]

In a capitalist society, where there is no planned economy, where there are thousands of owners, capacities are usually planned for a specific project.
How do the M21 owners know that someone third, from the outside, will come with their project and also ask for their rather specific products.

[bar]

Any production is planned taking into account further development under any economy, even under socialism, even under capitalism. From the same carbon fiber will not refuse either a moment, or dry, or silt, or the auto industry at an adequate cost. And to build production under one project is obviously a failed idea.

[New Year day]

Quote: bar

They were going to organize the production of carbon fiber under MS-21.

While not there, the Japanese are left on 9 aircraft. States forced Japanese to cut supplies

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

Why not release it in a series?

so and write what new will be done on the basis of TVS-2DTS (concept). while there are no large enterprises working with composite (those that are now under MS21), TVS-2DTS is a bit expensive campaign. based on it they will do something easier and more affordable.

[svp67]

Quote: SanichSan

there are no large enterprises working with composite yet

Here is another reason to organize them. Not only should it be useful for these aircraft, but it can also be exported ... not all oil and gas

[Piramidon]

Quote: svp67

Why not release it in a series?

The problem is in engine tests and SANCTIONS. There is no domestic engine for it yet, and if it appears, then it still needs to be tested for 5 years. Have you forgotten the tale of the "white bull"?

[svp67]

Quote: Piramidon

There is no domestic engine for him yet,

There was an "Omsk" project with TV-117, this engine is now

[dauria]

Why not release it in a series?

It remains to find buyers. And they walk around the bazaar and buy a well-worn imported one, if they scrape together money and see a reason for this transportation. Without the support of the government, such things cannot be verified by laws, import duties and money. To the banks to bow and bondage? Haha.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

What for? Why create another "new" plane based on the "old woman Annushka" if "Baikal" has already been created and flew? Why not serialize it?

the reason, as you see, is one - the imported engine on Lake Baikal (Honeywell TPE331-12UAN)
Although, they understood this (and raised the question) even at the stage of the creation of the aircraft, i.e. two years ago. But - things are still there, there was no motor, no, no one even bothered to start creating it

[Wedmak]

Either the fuel assembly will go into production, now they have covered it ... A new one is a couple of years to design, and you already want a test sample in the same period. Make the same hard worker as AN-2 will not be easy.

[K-612-O]

So they wrote that they would do serial production on the basis of Lake Baikal, the Siberians themselves wrote that the fuel assemblies would be finalized, in its current form it is expensive, and again the American motor. And the serial plant in Alabuga will be ready only by the end of the 20th year.
What is needed is an inexpensive serial board, to the maximum domestic, in this direction the roadway is on the way.

[Wedmak]

Doubts are taken - if based on fuel assemblies, then we get the same thing, but in profile. Well, you get the point. If it’s new, under modern materials and technologies, then this is 2-3 of the year of development, testing and other things. He is certainly not MS-21, but there will be thousands of such little ones. Accordingly, it should be cheap, not capricious, maintainable, take off and land on any clearing in 300-400 meters, preferably also with a universal cabin for various uses.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Wedmak

Doubts are taken - if based on fuel assemblies, then we get the same thing, but in profile.

remember the story of the T-64 and T-72? like the T-72, which is "in profile", came out quite well

[vladcub]

The whole trouble is that WE DO NOT have a line of promising motors !!
For better or worse, under the Union, engine production was Ukrainian, it is not for us to decide.
When the Union didn’t need to think about its engine, and when B. N. did they think about the future?

[Piramidon]

Quote: K-612-O

based on Baikal, will make serial

The whole question is when, and, most importantly, with which engine. We bought a couple of experimental engines. What's next? - some sanctions. Until we do our engine, all this is just our Wishlist and wishes.

[Mountain shooter]

"Baikal" is a very "advanced" aircraft, only "alien" engine ... And carbon-fiber. Very expensive.
Redo? Apparently, redo. Under a cheaper and more technologically advanced design ...

[donavi49]

Well, will LMS fly on a gravitsap? Also have to look for an engine. Because VK-800 is too weak and generally not very suitable. TV is too strong and heavy. In less than 200kg and 1000 + horses = there is nothing, not even in development.

[D16]

I bet on two Red 03V12. If they will still be produced in Russia for the Yak-152 and UAV, then why not? Will carry less kerosene. A diesel engine in terms of specific consumption is more economical than one and a half times than a theater. And he does not need to drive without landing in America. The payload can be reduced, but efficiency and safety will benefit. At one time, in Samara, the Rysachok was developed and built. But he did not go into the series due to imported engines. And with the Reds, something similar might have faded.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: D16

I bet on two Red 03V12

if you put two motors - the whole structure will change. Instead of a biplane there will be a high-wing, which needs to re-design a new wing, and, very likely, the tail. Also, he must lose in some characteristics, and especially - in the runway

[Oct]

See TP 301.

[D16]

Definitely in a twin-engine version will be a monoplane. The snout was a low wing. Loses in HPV, but wins. In speed, efficiency and safety.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: D16

Loses in HPV

no doubt

Quote: D16

but it will win. in speed, profitability and safety

debatable. It all depends on the motors.

[D16]

REDs have duplicated systems for each block. That is, in case of failure, half will work. In theory . Specific fuel consumption of 160 g / hp. in hour. Weight with gear 363 kg. The engines are designed for airplanes with take-off weight up to 6t. It was developed with Russian money by a German of Russian origin.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: D16

REDs have duplicated systems for each unit

this is just understandable. But the engine is weak, it alone will not provide a safe flight. An-2, thanks to its performance characteristics, completely sat down with a faulty motor.

In general, I think, for our conditions (airfields and services), take-off and landing characteristics, the ability to operate from unprepared runways, reliability, maintainability, hangar-free storage, and then speed, efficiency, etc. should be in the first place.

[D16]

In the worst case of a complete engine failure, the remaining engine has a power of five hundred mares. This is enough for a safe flight and landing. An-2 sat down when it was where to sit. It may be better to spend money on operating and storage conditions than flipping through kerosene and repairs. By the way, Honivell has a specific consumption of 243 g / hp. in hour. One and a half times higher than REDs.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: D16

It may be better spent on operating and storage conditions.

maybe better, but the reality is different.

[D16]

As in the joke about the Japanese delegation near the four-wheel drive Kamaz. "What only the Russians won't come up with, whatever roads are built "

[donavi49]

Not. Too many alterations. Also twin-engine biplanes in the classical scheme (on wings) = have significant losses in efficiency. Therefore, even relatively modern models have died out.

Plus, this is the creation of a fundamentally new aircraft, to which the An2 and the fuel assemblies will not really have any relation, and the developments will not be particularly applicable.

[D16]

This will be another plane. I can’t believe that in the 21st century a biplane will be sculpted. With two motors, it will not be necessary to flop into any clearing in an emergency. A suitable clearing may not be.

[Piramidon]

Quote: D16

I bet on two Red 03V12.

Do not bet so boldly, lose.

[Dikson]

And why not remember then the AN-14 with a twin-engine scheme?

[D16]

An-14 is not enough to replace the An-2. On the other hand, the An-28 intersects with the L-410, the release of which is already being established. There is something in the middle. The choice of layout depends on the wishes of the customer. IMHO An-14 with its aerodynamics was very slow and ate like crazy.

[Dikson]

The problem of gluttony is quite capable of being solved by modern engines .. And for small aircraft and local traffic, speeds are high and nothing ..

[bar]

Yeah, the benefit of the Shvetsovsky engine was made on the territory of Russia.

[Boozer]

In Soviet times, a significant part of the products was dual-use. Like the An-2. Will the future corn growers do the same?

[K-612-O]

It is a pity that their production has been completely transferred to Poland since the 60s, so now such a painful birth.

[lucul]

A new aircraft with a capacity of 9-14 passengers will be created to replace the An-2.

Ie in fact - this is a flying minibus ....)))

[donavi49]

Not. This is a universal unit for any need. Oak. Reliable. With a relatively competitive flying hour.

Taking into account the domestic culture, the preparation of the lanes and the features of operation, it is probably better to hold on to the biplane scheme with developed mechanization, and not switch to the western one - with a large-area wing and developed mechanization, because there are still much better average operating conditions and platforms.

The flying minibus has already died 4 years. Despite the efforts, PR and MAX. 2 engine + quite a lot of controversial decisions + strong competitors in the sale = 0 orders for the Rysachok, 0 loans and the state’s refusal to help with certification.

[New Year day]

Quote: donavi49

Despite the efforts, PR and MAX.

Today I flew over the dacha, preparing for MAKS

[donavi49]

Well, 4 of the year - the plane hangs, because there is no money for certification. To production too. Well, there are no orders either = therefore there is no way to get a loan for a sufficient amount.

[donavi49]

Strange.

The innovative TVS-2DTS was promoted - as soon as it was brought back, they started anew a new airplane (LMS) using the developments of TVS-2DTS = = 5-7 will be doing, blowing, flying around the prototype for years, and then there is the 2 LMS look will run. And so is the perpetual development engine without exhaust.

[neri73-r]

But the funds will be mastered, someone over the hill will dump the rich, etc.

[Sanichsan]

TVS-2DTS - concept. kit, imported, fully composite ... where to mass produce it? what to put into series should be on its own engine and with the possibility of mass production.

[donavi49]

Launch in UAZ where the plant has already begun to deploy the line.
Composites are the future. With this approach - it is necessary present to Antonov that in the 46 year he began to make an all-metal aircraft, then the legendary La and Yaki (and the jet Yak-15 too) = were built according to a mixed scheme with the use of wood in the skin and power structures. But his decision was correct. Similarly with composites now.
In any case, the engine will be an import or radical revision of TK - because it weighs in 200kg and power in 1000 + hp. engines are not even developed. There are smaller (VK-800) horses on 800 and there are larger ones already under 400-500kg and power ~ 2000.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: donavi49

Composites are the future. With this approach - it is necessary to show Antonov that in 46 he began to make an all-metal aircraft, then the legendary La and Yaki (moreover, the jet Yak-15 too) = were built according to a mixed scheme using wood in the skin and power structures.

in fact, you answered yourself. in fact, this is stated in the article. there is no opportunity now to launch TVS-2DTS in the form in which it is in the concept. accordingly, they will seek a replacement for the fact that we can not produce in bulk. it will probably be adapted to existing domestic engines (heavy). planes were needed yesterday ...

[donavi49]

Composites are easy. Again, other composites are needed there, different from those that are needed on the heavily loaded parts of the MS-21 for example. There is no problem with composites for fuel assemblies.

The cost will rest on the organization of production and molding. That is, in the equipment. It began to be prepared in Ulan-Ude back in the 2018 year for mass production. At the same time, the plant already has a composites workshop (for the main products - helicopters). That is, the place was chosen wisely.

The plug with the engine cannot be solved, well, nothing. Just rebuild the plane. That is, to cut the thrust by 25-30% = it is necessary to sort out the entire plane, lighten, change the proportions, etc., you can also lighten the motor mount because the loads are reduced => to re-balancing.
Double traction = iterate through the whole plane again. Re-do motor mount. Change proportions, alignment, increase tanks, etc. Well, of course, this will increase the payload + maximum weight + increase the requirements for the strip.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: donavi49

Double traction = iterate through the whole plane again. Re-do motor mount. Change proportions, alignment, increase tanks, etc. Well, of course, this will increase the payload + maximum weight + increase the requirements for the strip.

apparently chose this option.
I agree about the composites, we already have it, but there is no production specifically for this aircraft.
I hope that the delay is due to the decision to create something like AK. not just a reliable design but also the simplicity of production and, as a consequence, the ability to quickly deploy production from scratch.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: SanichSan

kit, imported, fully composite ... where to mass produce it?

on this issue, starting to design, not puzzled? The obvious became apparent just now, two years later? Cool) This is the speed of the thought process))

[123456789]

Quote: Gregory_45

Quote: SanichSan

kit, imported, fully composite ... where to mass produce it?

on this issue, starting to design, not puzzled? The obvious became apparent just now, two years later? Cool) This is the speed of the thought process))

- Information leading to the mandatory change of the project will go to the author of this project when the drawings have already been completed.
From Murphy’s laws.

[Klingon]

why was he (An-2) nicknamed * Kukuruznikom ?? He was not only a chemist who pollinated corn fields. at sch.works
or is it under Khrushchev stuck?

[AU Ivanov.]

The name "maize" came from U-2. And pollinated and sat in the corn fields. In the light of recent events and A-321 maize.

[AU Ivanov.]

Why is there an airtight cabin like a Pilatus for an MVL? How will you use it for AChR if its stall speed is twice as high as that of the An-2? Can I use Pilatus for skiing? How will the front foot behave on the sour landing sites and what should be their length? As far as I understand, PC-12 needs a band of at least 800 m.

[Mavrikiy]

To replace the An-2 "Corn" will be created a new multi-purpose aircraft

"We hear a lot of examples of that in history"

[ciujoilu]

Replacements will not be, he is immortal!

[ultra]

So here the goal is not a replacement, but to receive money for the next OCD. And there is either a shah or an ass.

[ultra]

Shaw again ?????

[Puzoter]

How long can this button accordion be passed off as news? Well, really - for about five years already every week about the "new maize". Already annoying. In the USSR, space rockets were put on the conveyor faster than the corn workers are now.

[Strashila]

"The new aircraft with a capacity of 9-14 passengers will be created to replace the An-2. The single-engine TVS-2021DTS" Baikal "aircraft, which was previously planned for serial production in 2, developed by the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation on the basis of" Kukuruznik ", will not be produced, developments on it will go to the creation of a new LMS (light multi-purpose aircraft). "

[rocket757]

The decision to create a new aircraft to replace the "Corn" was made against the background of

I want to ASK about one !!! When will they go from SOLUTIONS to CASE ???

[lucul]

I want to ASK about one !!! When will they go from SOLUTIONS to CASE ???

Stalin even put Korolev, at one time, for using public money for a failed project.
And now they won’t even threaten with a finger ....

[rocket757]

Quote: lucul

I want to ASK about one !!! When will they go from SOLUTIONS to CASE ???

Stalin even put Korolev, at one time, for using public money for a failed project.
And now they won’t even threaten with a finger ....

Design errors were, are and will be!
Not in this particular case. Aircraft, projects, almost enthusiastically created.
The question is, WHO and WHICH model will choose!
If a private trader, this is his competence! And if the state order for MO for example ??? Here I want to be sure that everyone will do HOW TO!

[senima56]

And I would also like to ask: When this "project" fails, and the money is stolen, we will not be guilty again ?!

[Vladimir Anatolyevich]

Yeah. And the Chinese last year based on a licensed copy of the An-2 drone did.

[Million]

If effective Putin managers deal with the matter, then the result will be sad ...

[Grigory_45]

A new aircraft to replace the An-2 "Kukuruznik" will be created in the near future, work on it will begin this year

wonderful) The remotorization of the An-2 failed, the promoted and "almost ready for serial production" TVS-2DTS will not be produced either (well, the boys played, the funds were capitalized)

The single-engine TVS-2021DTS "Baikal" aircraft, previously planned for serial production from 2, developed by the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation on the basis of "Kukuruznik", will not be produced

And nothing has changed....

[Ros 56]

What tormented by foolishness, they would have converted the An-2 into a modern interpretation without any percussion, and yes, it would have been a prankster and would have flown to itself as much. An unpretentious and safe car, it would add speeds one and a half to two times for flights of 150-1000 km. and quite enough for flights within areas. And cheap and cheerful, and how many professions he has, Mama don’t cry.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Ros 56

What tormented by foolishness, would have processed An-2 into a modern interpretation

So there is such a project, AN-3. With a turboprop TVD-20, a metal fuselage and a wing sheath made of polyester fabric. There is no airplane in the series, and, as I understand it, again because of the motor.

[Ros 56]

An-3 is the last century, the 80s, as far as my memory serves me. It also needs to be redesigned for modern technology. The main thing in an airplane for the regions is practicality and cheapness, well, plus multi-station.

[Nycomed]

The plane is VERY needed! From the word VERY. The question is: who will purchase it? And will it pay off?

[lucul]

And will it pay off?

What does it pay off ????
There are things that need to be done, regardless of the payback.
All military equipment - if there is no war for the past 50 years, is completely unprofitable, and should not be produced according to all economic laws.
But without her, nowhere. So it is with this "Corn" ....

[Galleon]

With all my heart I want to wish everyone who created TVS-2DTS to hold on. Hold on! Do not drink it down, do not give up, do not say "yes it all went ...". Guys, the Lord respects you. Be patient, well now ...

[senima56]

"The single-engine TVS-2021DTS" Baikal "aircraft, which was previously planned for serial production from 2, developed by the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation on the basis of" Kukuruznik ", will not be produced .." It's a pity. So, as I expected, we will not have our own "regional plane"! They will not create anything new, the money will be "sawed", and it will all end with the fact that we will buy another overseas plane and assemble it piecemeal with "screwdrivers"! And the local regional aviation will continue to "finish off" the remaining AN-2! Still, the "new managers" managed to ditch this idea (TVS-2DTS)! "History repeats itself!" Flying TU-334 did not develop, they took up the creation of "best peaceable ...." SSZ! How did it end? Billions of dollars wasted! Everyone renounces this "miracle"! And here's a new example for you: there is a flying TVS-2DTS .... but no! "Let's create a new one!"

[123456789]

Quote: senima56

and it will all end with the fact that we will buy another overseas plane and will assemble it piecemeal with "screwdrivers"!

[Antokha]

As described in the article, it can be, if already in the very first VO link under the article there is a note dated June 8, 2018 with the following text:

An-2 will be replaced by Baikal. The new TVS-2DTS aircraft will go into series
The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia Denis Manturov said that the Ministry of Industry and Trade had made the final decision on the project to create an aircraft to replace the An-2. The new light multipurpose aircraft TVS-2DTS, developed at the Siberian Research Institute of Aviation, was named "Baikal".

The specific person who announced the decision on his own responsibility is also indicated.

[donavi49]

Well, Manturov promised a lot of projects, and then they were closed. But, I think that Manturov has nothing to do with it at all, and the plans changed above. For on TVS - there were no complaints + everything went according to the program. The plant is generally home to Manturov (he began his career there).

[SU-27MK]

Again the engine. Straight trouble.
A plane of such a plan as the AN-2 is needed. I hope TVS will see mass production.

[lucul]

Again the engine. Straight trouble.

So Russia is forbidden to develop engines. Money will be invested anywhere, but not in the R&D of engine building. The last engine of its entire development - the tank V-2, was put on the T-34.
And so - only cloning antediluvian engines.

[Doliva63]

Quote: lucul

Again the engine. Straight trouble.

So Russia is forbidden to develop engines. Money will be invested anywhere, but not in the R&D of engine building. The last engine of its entire development - the tank V-2, was put on the T-34.
And so - only cloning antediluvian engines.

Hm. And the GTD-1000, 5TD - not its development, or what?

[lucul]

Hm. And the GTD-1000, 5TD - not its development, or what? belay

Have you forgotten what engine range should be presented in the industry? From 0.5 hp to 200 hp. .
And the newer the better ...

[SU-27MK]

Honestly, not strong in the aviation topic. But I think that in our country it is necessary to have an air fleet of small aircraft. The challenges ahead are not only business, but also personal use.
But it is necessary to solve in a complex way, and these are airfields, flight routes, maintenance and support, accessibility for the population. and of course, the price of the aircraft and its maintenance, and reliability is also important.

[donavi49]

Miscellanea. Why drag a biplane, and even a dozen people?

Business personal use, it's hard workers like the legendary 172 or the new Mako.

For agricultural and other things, pulling an aircraft on 10 people also comes out a little expensive, only as in the company providing mass inexpensive services with conversion kits. That is, today we twist the seats and carry bales / pallets between villages A and B. Tomorrow we twist the seats and we bring 8 people from Village B to the district center. The day after tomorrow we fasten the equipment for spraying and send, we rent the plane for 2 days for rent to the farm. Then it will be cost-effective and justified for such a large aircraft.

A separate farm, which Tractor or a domestic composite version of the T-500 is more likely to buy

If for personal needs, the government made a choice - by purchasing a license for Diamonds. Now they are collected by UZGA - 40-ki for sale and in small batches for aviation schools. 42 even purchases the Department of Defense to train BTA pilots.
The first-batch DA40 NG single-seat four-seater training aircraft will be sent to the largest aviation universities of the Federal Air Transport Agency - St. Petersburg State University of Civil Aviation and the Ulyanovsk Higher Aviation School.
UZGA is currently assembling aircraft from kits supplied by Diamond Aircraft.

[yehat]

Quote: ltc35

Once on takeoff, the engine caught fire. They landed, extinguished and after 15 minutes took off again. And there are hundreds of such cases. And he lands quietly with an idle engine ..

Do you definitely praise the plane?

[yehat]

Quote: Kasym

Constantine, you are wrong. Yakutia has already signed a contract for the supply of Baikal from 2021, and in large quantities. "Arguments of the Week", last issue, article "Aviators without fiery motors". "28 thousand settlements of the country have no ground communication

and you do not know, it also throws vertically? I almost crap from this at the helm of an-2. And most importantly, no one warned - I thought he would fly as smoothly as an ax or a Tu-154

[Voronezh-90]

Why two versions of "Corn" instead of just renewing the old "Corn"?

[M. Michelson]

And another combat option with light weapons to do. And provide them with border guards. Then Rust would not have flown beyond the border zone (would have been planted).

[sabakina]

Quote: M. Michelson

And another combat option with light weapons to do. And provide them with border guards. Then Rust would not have flown beyond the border zone (would have been planted).

I would not call it easy ...

[iouris]

"Corn" is NS Khrushchev, not An-2.

[Kontrik]

Well, let them create it, but so that it would be the same simple, cheap, unpretentious in operation ..
And then they come up with ... Most towns and villages do not live well, I hope this will be taken into account when creating a replacement for the old man AN-2 ..

[karabass]

In my opinion they hastened with this plane. Not all funds on Lake Baikal have been mastered yet! Outsole cut

[pafegosoff]

The main thing is not to pull, otherwise they will bury another necessary thing again. Not a million is enough, but Faberge eggs, mansions, billions that do not fit in an apartment, dinners of tens of thousands - for other things ... enough.

[yehat]

Quote: SU-27MK

not only business, but also personal use.

a normal plane with us, even a single one, requires a lot of money for services, its flights are very seriously limited - you can’t just drop in, fly and fly where you need to, like by car - you need to coordinate flights.
we have very unfriendly legislation for small aircraft
more or less comfortable you can fly only on hang-gliders around your country house or village.

[Barmaleyka]

I hope he will not be featured in modern films about the great Russian, otherwise the landings at 42

[sabakina]

Vladimir, excuse me, who is he?

[Barmaleyka]

new plane

[pafegosoff]

The aircraft is equipped with a Honeywell TPE331-12UAN American turboprop engine with a take-off power of 1100 hp. and five-blade reversing screw manufactured by Hartzell Propeller Inc. (USA), as well as a set of modern flight-navigation equipment “Garmin”.
In general, five times more expensive than the An-2.
Moreover, everything is American ... And that means exploitation is hemorrhoids. The cost is determined by "about 150 thousand rubles, which means that it will actually be $ 5 million. Yes, the speed is 100 km / h, and the carrying capacity is per ton more than that of the An-2.
For the An-3, the Baranov engine plant in Omsk developed a theater of operations forty years ago. But the country said: "On ...!" Fly the An-2. And everything was lost. Tyumen motor (former branch of Baranovsky) - in general, they repulsed from aviation. Avionics? Who needs a Russian one? Composite ...
150 million rubles were spoken at MAKS-2017.
Now the 2019th air show opens tomorrow. I wonder how much the price has risen? My pension has not grown over the past year and a half ...

[senima56]

More and more often I come to the conclusion that in the Ministry of Transport, in the department of "Civil Aviation" (if there is one) there are "enemies of the people and saboteurs"! See for yourself: MS-21 has been moved to the right for a year! The Il-112V was "overweight" by several tons and now it is also shifted to the right for three years! Now here is the ready, flying "Baikal" - hacked to death! ... How to understand this? And like this: "Someone puts sticks in the wheels! Someone throws stones under the braids!" I repeat: "Enemies of the people and pests!"

[tolmachiev51]

Quote: srha

I don’t understand for security reasons, and I also don’t understand for reasons of efficiency, how can single-engine aircraft be offered as passenger aircraft now?

-You will understand when you find out why they call him "maize" !!!

[tolmachiev51]

The story of the "superjet 100" taught nothing. They slapped an unnecessary eroplan, and here, too, there is a war for money, i.e. development and production.

[Dikson]

But can’t you revive the An-14 for these tasks?

[mik193]

Alternatively, simply resume production of the An-2. But apparently it will not work, because there will be no cuts and kickbacks, as well as money for the development of a new project. New plane? The main thing is not taken into account - so that the aircraft can undergo inter-flight maintenance and, if necessary, repairs at an unpaved airfield in the most remote areas and by the crew. Therefore, "new technologies" and super-electronic filling will definitely disappear, like any imported components. The engine needs a different, more economical one. But while this is not there, you have to use what you have. And the plane was needed yesterday.