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Tuning Mosin rifle: from an optical sight to a thermal imager and a silencer

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To what extent can be improved weapon? In some cases, it is quite possible to say that there is no limit to the space for the so-called tuning. So, for example, consider those who are trying to turn a rifle of the late 19th century into a variant of modern small arms.




As an option of steps for a very peculiar modernization - the Mosin rifle, on which individual experimenters with small arms decide to install a silencer and an optical sight with attempts to integrate Picatinny rail with a "mosinka".

In the above, a variant of the optical sight is used on a universal bracket with a Weaver strap. And in the case which is shown below, a thermal imager and a silencer are used.



Thus, they made a variant of a sniper weapon from the Mosin rifle, which can be used in the dark and even with attempts to reduce the noise level of the sound of a shot. The question arises: for what?

There can be many options: from "playing to the public" to the use of "hunters (poachers) -extremals." A separate option is the use of such a combination of a modern “body kit” with a rifle, which historically exchanged the second hundred years — let's say, unofficial armed structures, where “all means are good”. Other cases of this kind of tuning are possible.

An additional topic for discussion is related to how effective a silencer can be for a Mosin rifle and its various versions. As an example of what comes out when using a silencer, imagine a western movie from 2014 of the year:

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  1. svp67
    svp67 25 August 2019 15: 41
    +6
    Tuning Mosin rifle: from an optical sight to a thermal imager and a silencer
    Where's the bipod? Well, all the "tuning" was filled up
    An additional topic for discussion is related to how effective a silencer can be for a Mosin rifle and its various versions.
    I honestly don’t see problems in this use, it’s enough just to fix it well. The muffler works at SVD

    SVT

    and the Mosin rifle, in skillful and growing hands
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 25 August 2019 15: 44
      +5
      I think just a lot of people like the Mosin rifle .. He shot at the shooting range, received a lot of pleasure, heaped, precisely and also there is no return .. a masterpiece.
      1. svp67
        svp67 25 August 2019 15: 46
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        He shot at the shooting range, received a lot of pleasure, heap, precisely and also there is no return .. a masterpiece.

        Did you have to shoot with SCS? That's where the mass of positive
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 25 August 2019 15: 50
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Did you have to shoot with SCS? That's where the mass of positive

          No Unfortunately.
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 25 August 2019 16: 31
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Did you have to shoot with SCS?

          and a lot of positive did not cause ....
          1. svp67
            svp67 25 August 2019 16: 46
            +1
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            and a lot of positive did not cause ....

            To each his own
            1. VeteranVSSSR
              VeteranVSSSR 25 August 2019 17: 18
              0
              Build on your knee .... it's a song, especially at dusk ...
          2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 16: 54
            -1
            Quote: Tiksi-3
            Quote: svp67
            Did you have to shoot with SCS?

            and a lot of positive did not cause ....

            He also shot a lot from him and I continue to do it, and a huge positive from him. If you are of medium height, then yes, you can shoot without problems, and if it is higher, then yes, you feel discomfort, you have to make improvements to the butt. But now this is no longer a problem, special extension cords for the butt are sold.
            1. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 25 August 2019 17: 01
              0
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              Of course you have average growth then yes

              189 .... not convenient
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              many hunters

              we have in the cell 6 SCS from hunters, but the truth is always the moose goes to the Mannlicher carbine .....
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 17: 11
                -1
                With such growth, you need to lengthen the butt already. I very often hunt with SCS, after a number of its refinement of the butt, it completely suits me now.
                1. Shelest2000
                  Shelest2000 25 August 2019 20: 23
                  0
                  Well then what to modify it? On the well-known Chinese site, a galosh on the butt is acquired and that's it. I put this on my SCS
                  https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/32704737462.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.274233edKt4u7X
                  With my height in 182, it became very convenient.
                  PS. The truth under the cheek is not very visible, but she, galoshka, is laughing
            2. svp67
              svp67 25 August 2019 17: 25
              +2
              Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              If of course you’re medium tall, then yes, you can shoot without any problems,

              Normal, tank, 170 cm
              1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 17: 30
                -1
                SCS for such growth is designed for you, with such growth, it will be good to shoot from it, the butt will be suitable for you.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 25 August 2019 17: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  it’s good to shoot him,

                  I’m talking about this ....
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 August 2019 17: 35
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Svarog
          He shot at the shooting range, received a lot of pleasure, heap, precisely and also there is no return .. a masterpiece.

          Did you have to shoot with SCS? That's where the mass of positive

          I agree. Just caught the rearmament in our school from SKS to AK. We have already been "shot" to the SCS. After him, the AK looked very pale. I spent three years with him.

          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 August 2019 18: 00
            0
            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: svp67
            Quote: Svarog
            He shot at the shooting range, received a lot of pleasure, heap, precisely and also there is no return .. a masterpiece.

            Did you have to shoot with SCS? That's where the mass of positive

            I agree. Just caught the rearmament in our school from SKS to AK. We have already been "shot" to the SCS. After him, the AK looked very pale. I spent three years with him.


            Hmm. Enviable. I only found SKS in the platoon of the line of honor guard. But he shot from the "Mosinka", but in childhood, when there was nothing to compare with.
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 25 August 2019 18: 08
              +1
              Quote: Doliva63
              Hmm. Enviable. I only found SKS in the platoon of the line of honor guard. But he shot from the "Mosinka", but in childhood, when there was nothing to compare with.

              As a kid, my father took me to the shooting range with him. I had a chance to shoot from the TT and from the "revolver", but from the "Mosin's three-line" did not happen.
              1. Doliva63
                Doliva63 25 August 2019 18: 49
                0
                Quote: Piramidon
                Quote: Doliva63
                Hmm. Enviable. I only found SKS in the platoon of the line of honor guard. But he shot from the "Mosinka", but in childhood, when there was nothing to compare with.

                As a kid, my father took me to the shooting range with him. I had a chance to shoot from the TT and from the "revolver", but from the "Mosin's three-line" did not happen.

                Pyramidon from a Soviet military family?
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 25 August 2019 19: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Pyramidon from a Soviet military family?

                  Actually, in addition to nick, my name is also written. And so, yes, my father was a KGB lieutenant colonel.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 25 August 2019 20: 04
                    0
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Pyramidon from a Soviet military family?

                    Actually, in addition to nick, my name is also written. And so, yes, my father was a KGB lieutenant colonel.

                    Squeezie, dear, I only see a nickname. I don’t know how to see the name.
                    But glad to see the hereditary officer! wassat
                    1. Piramidon
                      Piramidon 25 August 2019 20: 19
                      0
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      I only see the nickname. I don’t know how to see the name.

                      If you have a mobile version of the site, then it's clear. The name is not visible in it. On my computer I can see your nickname "Doliva63" and your name in brackets - Valentine. Mobile phones should be able to upgrade to the full version. Look for the button in the site header.
                      1. Doliva63
                        Doliva63 25 August 2019 20: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Piramidon
                        Quote: Doliva63
                        I only see the nickname. I don’t know how to see the name.

                        If you have a mobile version of the site, then it's understandable. The name is not visible in it. On my computer I can see your nickname "Doliva63" and your name in brackets - Valentine. Mobile phones must have a button for switching to the full version.

                        Understood thanks!
        4. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 25 August 2019 20: 51
          0
          Quote: svp67
          SKS had to shoot? That's where the mass of positive

          I got a lot of "positive" stumbling on the stairs and dropping the SCS ... At night in the dark ... The carbine sorted out to the smallest screws ... Thank God they found everything .. Three hours later they collected it .. this is not good for a carbine .. .. The SCS hits like a small cannon .. Strongly, echoingly, exactly.
      2. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 16: 35
        0
        And not only in the shooting range, many hunters have a Mosin rifle or carbine, an indispensable gun for hunting, especially for those who hunt in the taiga.
      3. APASUS
        APASUS 25 August 2019 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        I think just a lot of people like the Mosin rifle .. He shot at the shooting range, received a lot of pleasure, heaped, precisely and also there is no return .. a masterpiece.

        You just shot from Mosin, just where did this return work in this case is not clear?
        1. gavrila2984
          gavrila2984 25 August 2019 18: 58
          0
          Come on. There is a return, but even for my 80 kilos a little. My IL-27 kicks even stronger. But the pug on the ears gives great. But anyway, I always feel a pleasant mantle when the mosquito is in my hands.
        2. 113262a
          113262a 25 August 2019 19: 00
          0
          There, where to PCM. Compared with SCS and AKM, it is almost gone!
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 25 August 2019 20: 20
            0
            Quote: 113262
            There, where to PCM. Compared with SCS and AKM, it is almost gone!

            But, damn it, AKM has no return at all! So, something is scratching in the shoulder, but this is not a return. If solitary, you notice. And when you shoot at least a couple, it’s like a toy. Whether it’s a 12-gauge rifle case - there’s a return!
  2. figwam
    figwam 25 August 2019 15: 43
    0
    Why spoil the historical weapon, the modern is full.
    1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
      SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 16: 41
      +1
      Yes, they do not spoil it, they only make small changes, for better work and the use of weapons.
      1. figwam
        figwam 25 August 2019 17: 13
        0
        Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        Yes, and it does not spoil

        If a Mosin rifle is being drilled for mounting a sight bracket or bracket, then this is a permanently damaged rare weapon.
        1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 17: 19
          0
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
          Yes, and it does not spoil

          If a Mosin rifle is being drilled for mounting a sight bracket or bracket, then this is a permanently damaged rare weapon.

          Firstly, it is not drilled on the receiver, but on the side rail of the forend. Yes, and now this is no longer a problem, for this, clamping adapter brackets are already sold, which no longer require the forearm to be drilled.
          1. figwam
            figwam 25 August 2019 17: 40
            -1
            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            Firstly, it is not drilled on the receiver, but on the side of the forearm

            Do not put a sight on the forearm; it is placed on the receiver.
            Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
            Yes, and now this is no longer a problem

            The problem is that there are few untouched Mosin rifles left and the price will only increase, unlike the irrevocably tuned babahalkas.
            1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
              SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 18: 13
              -1
              In the first case, it was about fixing the bracket, your words.
              If the Mosin rifle is drilling a receiver for mounting the bracket

              Well, as for the sight, then some models of sights can also be fixed from the side bar of the forend, using the bracket.
              The problem is that there are few untouched Mosin rifles left and the price will only increase, unlike the irrevocably tuned babahalkas.

              No, in the warehouses of this good there is still enough, even the Tsar’s rifles are sold by our standards for a penny.
              1. figwam
                figwam 25 August 2019 18: 35
                -1
                Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                In the first case, it was about fixing the bracket

                The bracket for the sight is placed on the receiver.

                Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                No, in the warehouses of this good there is still enough,


                There is nothing in the warehouses for a long time, what is being sold is factory-repaired with the replacement of many parts, including wood with newly numbered numbers, with faded stamps, mounted brackets for the sight, with a digested shutter handle, re-painted and completely lost the authenticity of the rifle.
                1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
                  SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 18: 51
                  -1
                  There are now a lot of different brackets for mounting optics. Which are mounted on the side strips of the forend and this also has a mounting option. As for the warehouses, you have already listed the weapons that WWII passed and put them into storage in this way. Indeed, they are also sold by such people, from which their price is generally worth a penny.
                2. gavrila2984
                  gavrila2984 25 August 2019 19: 02
                  -1
                  Buy from kopachev. If not afraid.
                3. 113262a
                  113262a 25 August 2019 19: 07
                  -1
                  Who said that? At 14 received in the grease in the drawers. I didn’t see 1 world, but more than 30s!
        2. 113262a
          113262a 25 August 2019 19: 01
          -1
          What is rare? They are in warehouses and the Chinese have enough to arm themselves!
        3. hhurik
          hhurik 25 August 2019 20: 04
          -2
          What is rare in it - the number of issued is measured in millions.
          A black, usually ushatanny barrel, a rough simplified wartime finish, a worthless bed for small-sized people, a terrible descent, two welded nails (in the barrel and the chamber) - who might be interested in it today? So, a small number of historical weapons maniacs, and they strive to import tsarist from Finland.
          1. 113262a
            113262a 25 August 2019 20: 53
            -1
            Excellent snipers, complete with a brass scope and a clean, flawless barrel. Specialists shot at a time!
  3. Amateur
    Amateur 25 August 2019 15: 45
    0
    Tuning Mosin rifle: from an optical sight to a thermal imager and a silencer

    Not only they forgot about the bipod, but neither repainted it in digital camouflage nor nailed the gum to the butt. Hack! laughing
    1. svp67
      svp67 25 August 2019 16: 00
      +1
      Quote: Amateur
      Hack!

      Perfect ...
    2. eagle owl
      eagle owl 25 August 2019 17: 06
      +4
      The tactical hilt forgotten the main thing. Bipod okay, but without a tactical hilt nowhere
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 25 August 2019 19: 04
        +1
        And the store is "tambourine" good
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  5. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 25 August 2019 16: 25
    +1
    Eternal classic, even after many centuries. Chic rifle.
  6. Tusv
    Tusv 25 August 2019 16: 48
    -3
    They say Mosin sighting hits up to 2 km. If so, body kits are relevant
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 August 2019 17: 35
      +2
      Even Glushak? With a bank, it is hardly two kilometers. the bullet will last. And in general, I agree with Figwam - Mosinka is a rifle in itself and no fucking disfigurement of it. With the same success, you can put a spoiler and nickel-plated discs on the "front goat" ... but what about?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 August 2019 18: 58
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Even a wilderness?

        How do I know? The paramilitary We. Kalash trusts us with a creak of heart, such as the charter of a separate division allows us to carry personal weapons at night, and during the day they only bayonet a knife. drinks True, our launchers do not beat sickly good
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 August 2019 19: 04
          +1
          Yeah, paramilitary! laughing But how do you embed your division, so in that place will the grass stop growing ?! drinks
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 25 August 2019 19: 07
            +1
            In our regiment, in the reconnaissance platoon, there were three Mosin snipers, and there I tried it for the first time. And SVD already ten years after the demobilization fell into the hands of. smile
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 25 August 2019 19: 10
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            But how do you embed your division, so in that place will the grass stop growing ?!

            At We can or can and with great pleasure. But more in the sky, although taught in tanks drinks Do you know why? Missile from a blade of grass does not ricochet, so it’s easier to get bully
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              1. Tusv
                Tusv 25 August 2019 19: 23
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                Good luck, Vladimir! We leave all the "powers" to you!

                E. Constantine. I have been demobilized for a long time. But what I know for sure. It is not safe to fly closer than 100 km from the border. Especially when Poseidon was allowed 45 years ago. Fucked the flyers to the fullest, now They have in revenge. And Powers was an ad-hoc and respectable client of mine. U-2 single and 14 hours of flying in a hostile environment, which is our border. No pee and poop is cool
      2. 113262a
        113262a 25 August 2019 19: 04
        +1
        At 85 in the GSVG, half of the snipers in the infantry with mosquitoes ran! The second half is with SVD.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 25 August 2019 20: 07
          0
          Quote: 113262
          At 85 in the GSVG, half of the snipers in the infantry with mosquitoes ran! The second half is with SVD.

          In the 87th, there were already only SVD.
          1. 113262a
            113262a 25 August 2019 20: 50
            0
            At 23 TP in SMEs, hardly! Maybe where in Berlin and removed, but in Zeithein meaning? It shot and hit perfectly!
    2. Strashila
      Strashila 25 August 2019 17: 35
      +1
      up to 2 km, maybe ... but for group purposes, there are amendments there, if you believe the wikipedia is 1,5 by 1,5 meters at such a distance. But in modern conditions, having high-quality cartridges and ballistic computers, appropriate optics, an intelligent assistant spotter, it is possible to shoot at a growth target.
    3. Rwmos
      Rwmos 25 August 2019 20: 30
      -1
      Strongly doubt - the cartridge will not pull. Volley fire on areas at such distances was practiced, but in PMV. And as a target - per km. for sure. there are confirmed ones, for example, by Nomokonov, even when he was a sapper, but this is a separate issue - to shoot more than a kilometer with an open sight. more than once
  7. Strashila
    Strashila 25 August 2019 17: 30
    0
    I understand that there would remain rifles mainly with a barrel of 730 mm, would be 800 mm, it would be even cooler.
    The main quality of the barrel and the cartridge, the rest of the tinsel in our conditions, you can put any, bipod, bed and stocks, a fixture for optics and various kinds of compensators and devices a little noisy shooting.
  8. Doliva63
    Doliva63 25 August 2019 18: 06
    0
    In the 90s, a friend was sent from Belarus to Baku. Slightly rearmed - instead of the SVD, they issued "mosinki". At first he was indignant, and then he proved to me what a cool rifle, it turns out! laughing And so the muffler to her in WWII did.
    1. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 25 August 2019 19: 10
      0
      Taki brahit ishsho appeared in the late 20s)
  9. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 August 2019 18: 17
    0
    If we compare Mosyu and SVD, I am a categorical supporter of the former. If it has good optics and cartridges, then it is definitely better than Dragunovskaya. SVD is not bad for Marksmen, but as a sniper, so-so. The thermal imager is also good, the bipod too. The muffler is a big question. At the front, a sniper's shot was masked with a machine-gun burst.
  10. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 25 August 2019 18: 39
    0
    If we were allowed to sell weapons in the United States, then on one weapon of the Second World War, Soviet, German, plus ammunition, the state could cut billions.
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    2. gavrila2984
      gavrila2984 25 August 2019 19: 14
      +3
      Already cut down. To Korea, Vietnam, China, etc. weapon gone.
  11. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 August 2019 21: 04
    -2
    Would your hands be straight, you can think of anything))
    It was the case, they composed bullpups from SCS, it turned out pretty well)