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Named the huge cost of Rafale fighters for the Indian Air Force

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French manufacturers have offered India an option in which the acquired Rafale fighters can cost the Indian treasury cheaper.




The initial contract provides for the sale of 36 French fighters for the Indian Air Force. The total value of this purchase for India will be 7,87 billion euros. Thus, the exact price of the Rafale fighter with weapons and services for India became known. It amounts to 218,6 million euros! For comparison: Russian Su-35 are exported to China (with weapons and service technologies) at a price not exceeding 75 million euros.

This kind of information excited the Indian public and representatives of opposition political forces. They accused the incumbent authorities of having a corruption component in concluding the contract, noting that spending “218 million euros on a 4 generation fighter is“ no way ”...

218 million euros for Rafale - a huge amount that is difficult to justify the inclusion of the cost of service and weapons.

Now, the Indian authorities are turning to the French with the question of why in the end the cost is so high and whether it can be "somehow reduced." The French manufacturer noted that "it is all about a limited batch of order." Why they didn’t ask from the beginning is a separate topic.

The Eurasian Times cites an excerpt from the French answer:

If New Delhi will expand the transaction and purchase more than three dozen more Rafale fighters, the contract will become more profitable for India.

So, it is proposed to purchase another 30-36 aircraft, resulting in a total “savings” of about 1,9 billion euros.

From the material:

If all goes well, Dassault can speed up production and release one aircraft each month for the next six years.

Next week, the Indian prime minister is expected to renegotiate the terms of the contract for the acquisition of military aircraft with French President Emmanuel Macron.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 August 2019 08: 56
    +31
    The Indus cunning of them goes backwards, sorry for the columbur! !! They themselves lit up for money, even the F35 aircraft range costs a lot cheaper! !! Although he is not worth the money that they pay for him! !! Revalued 20 percent for sure! !!
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 25 August 2019 09: 44
      +8
      Quote: Thrifty
      Revalued 20 percent for sure

      Which 20? its price tag should be divided into two and at this price free maintenance for the entire period of operation.
      1. Cry
        Cry 25 August 2019 11: 33
        +9
        Such a deal scheme indicates a high probability of a rollback.
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 25 August 2019 13: 44
        +6
        Quote: sir.jonn
        divide by two and at this price is free

        I have some kind of deja vu! I follow the epic and LFI for India, as in 1986 for the series about Commissioner Katani! If you missed something while walking with the girl, then infa will come anyway anyway. yes With such selection and procurement processes, I have been watching this series since 2007, you can slowly finish the MiG-35, manage to put it in several countries, and already conclude a contract with India for its supply of 150 pieces.
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 25 August 2019 13: 56
          +4
          Quote: IL-18
          Quote: sir.jonn
          divide by two and at this price is free

          I have some kind of deja vu! I follow the epic and LFI for India, as in 1986 for the series about Commissioner Katani! If you missed something while walking with the girl, then infa will come anyway anyway. yes With such selection and procurement processes, I have been watching this series since 2007, you can slowly finish the MiG-35, manage to put it in several countries, and already conclude a contract with India for its supply of 150 pieces.

          I agree! True, "Bollywood" is not Italian cinema, in it, in addition to dancing, the plot can still arrange the wrong holiday of the absurd laughing .
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 25 August 2019 14: 52
            +4
            Quote: sir.jonn
            feast of the absurd

            "I am your father!" Is it the Indians at Dartweider, or the last one at the first ones? wassat
            1. sir.jonn
              sir.jonn 25 August 2019 14: 58
              +2
              Quote: IL-18
              Quote: sir.jonn
              feast of the absurd

              "I am your father!" Is it the Indians at Dartweider, or the last one at the first ones? wassat

              If Dartweider began to prove it on a birthmark on the fifth point recourse Does the devil know him?
    2. Mixanchik
      Mixanchik 25 August 2019 09: 45
      +8
      Quote: Thrifty
      The Indus cunning of them goes backwards, sorry for the columbur! !! They themselves lit up for money, even the F35 aircraft range costs a lot cheaper!

      The funny thing is that Pakistani F-16s are being shot down on old Soviet MiGs ..))))
      So understand them "rich" .. wassat
    3. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 25 August 2019 18: 28
      +2
      The French use illegal methods against the Indians. So impudently "twisting hands" - this already does not fit into any gate, even into the Kremlin. Although, I agree, the Indians themselves are to blame - they wanted cheaper, got more expensive and it is not a fact that it is better. Interestingly, the Chinese and Pakistanis will wait six for France to complete the missing 30 to 36 airplanes.
  2. Svarog
    Svarog 25 August 2019 08: 56
    +1
    Hindus sawing, do not go to a fortuneteller .. lol
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 09: 54
      +7
      So we can also offer us a "competitive" price for their MiG-35, you look the Indians will buy. The MiG-35 is the same Rafale in terms of its performance characteristics. The same medium fighter, complete with AFAR (at the request of the customer, of course). Because the Indians need kickbacks.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 25 August 2019 10: 27
        0
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        So maybe we can also offer a "competitive" price for their MiG-35, you see Indians

        The Indians are always advocating that production be organized on their territory .. So they need to give it, only under the control of our specialists and, naturally, in the "export" package and secured in the contract, while 95% of all aircraft should be our.
        1. lucul
          lucul 25 August 2019 10: 53
          +12
          The Hindus advocate all the time for the production to be organized on their territory ..

          And where is it said that Rafal will be produced in India?
          Learn to do business with France - and sold the planes at a price and there is no production in India.
          And the Indians are demanding from the Russians the sale of aircraft and technology for a penny, and even production must be organized in India.
          Something India reminds me of a woman - one came and put her in a pose (France) for free, and the other (Russia) rolls everything up, gives and presents, and she doesn’t even let him close to her.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 25 August 2019 11: 09
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            Learn to do business with France

            After the Mistral, I wouldn’t conduct business with France at all and would not advise others ..
            and sold the aircraft at a third price and there is no production in India.

            They are fine fellows of course, but we don’t know how much of France has remained from the sale of three-pronged .. Three-pricedly bought only for a rollback ..
            Quote: lucul
            And the Indians are demanding from the Russians the sale of aircraft and technology for a penny, and even production must be organized in India.

            We also demand this from car manufacturers .. whoever doesn’t do it is not for sale with us .. India is a very important market and not only from a commercial point of view, but they pay with real money, unlike some .. In general, nothing I see a bad production in India, provided that a tough contract is signed with the Indians, where the needs will be spelled out in detail for years to come .. and even better, the percentage of Russian aircraft in the Indian army. And just as important, only export options would be collected ..
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 25 August 2019 11: 14
            +3
            Quote: lucul
            and she doesn’t even let him close to herself.

            What in general? Yes, they have half of the Soviet-Russian military equipment
          3. nks
            nks 25 August 2019 13: 32
            +2
            Quote: lucul
            there is no production in India

            There is
            https://www.reuters.com/article/dassault-india/dassault-says-it-picked-reliance-of-its-own-will-for-india-jet-contract-idUSL4N1WR3L6

            The joint venture, Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd (DRAL), was created in February last year and the foundation stone for the plant was laid in October in the western state of Maharashtra
          4. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
            Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 25 August 2019 15: 02
            +1
            Your exact definition.
            Straight to the point.
            Nothing needs to be given to them. No production facilities in India.
            Under the USSR and after they gave some sense either ?????
            Only rembase in India.
            Not more.
            And then they shoot down enemies on our planes, and with us the whole East market is played.
            And we will show them to you.
          5. AAK
            AAK 25 August 2019 20: 59
            0
            "The more a woman we are less, the less she is to us ..."
        2. peter rusin_2
          peter rusin_2 25 August 2019 15: 37
          +5
          SU-30s produced in Russia cost Indians 41,2 million, US dollars, and those produced by Indians cost 72 million! Such is the arithmetic)))
          1. Altai72
            Altai72 26 August 2019 09: 41
            -1
            And this is because our hard workers are paid (figuratively speaking) 100 rubles, and they are 300 rubles to them (both Indians and French and all everywhere).
        3. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 25 August 2019 18: 32
          -1
          Something the French are in no hurry to transfer production to India, and with the transfer of technology, somehow it did not work out well. They conveyed the fact that the Indians and tries are not needed, and they will not be able to use it anywhere. In general, as in that folk wisdom — the avaricious pays twice — thrice, and the sucker — through life.
      2. Runoway
        Runoway 25 August 2019 10: 28
        +1
        MiG-35 it's like a BMW X8 lol assembly began only in May last year, unbroken equipment from the word completely
      3. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 12: 28
        -8
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Mig-35 is the same Rafal in its performance characteristics

        then you do not know the characteristics of Rafal and the MiG-35

        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        The same medium fighter equipped with AFAR

        that's just AFAR on the MiG-35 is not. It may be on it someday, but now it simply is not there.
        "We understand that this is a global trend for the use of radar with an active phased antenna on this type of aircraft. Naturally, we already have a prototype for testing," said Tarasenko (note - General Director of RSK MiG).
        According to him, the corporation will offer as an option the use of such a radar after its development together with the plane
        At the first stage, Zhuk-M radars were installed on the fighter, which were also installed on MiG-29SMT fighters


        The MiG-35 is a lightweight fighter, albeit with two engines.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 13: 28
          +1
          Mig-35 is an analogue of Rafal. Link to infographics comparing Mig-35 and Rafal.
          https://rg.ru/2015/02/17/istrebiteli.html
          AFAR on Mig-35 is installed at the request of the customer.
          1. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 25 August 2019 13: 39
            -9
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            AFAR on Mig-35 is installed at the request of the customer

            AFAR will be installed on the plane after it is brought. So far, there is only a pre-production radar sample with AFAR for the MiG-35. Those. now there is no radar. There is a Beetle-M with SCAR, it is with such a radar that the aircraft is offered for an Indian tender.

            The amateur is not in the know again lol
            Go look at the pictures and read the murzilka.
            1. Sky strike fighter
              Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 13: 58
              -2
              The amateur is not in the know again

              Self-critical. But it’s true if you say that the similar medium fighters Mig-35 and Rafal are not, in your opinion, classmates.
              Go look at the pictures and read the murzilka.

              I have grown out of this a long time and I wish you to quickly put it on a new level of cognition, without a murzer with pictures.
              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 25 August 2019 14: 05
                -9
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                MiG-35 and Rafal fighters, in your opinion, are not classmates.

                where did i say that? Quote - to the studio. You know. What is the name of a person who, to put it mildly, lies?

                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Go look at the pictures and read the murzilka.

                I grew out of this long ago

                and this is said by those who have posts - completely thoughtless copy-paste and reference to pictures))
                Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                Link to infographics comparing Mig-35 and Rafal.
                https://rg.ru/2015/02/17/istrebiteli.html
                1. Sky strike fighter
                  Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 14: 20
                  0
                  where did i say that? Quote - to the studio. You know. What is the name of a person who, to put it mildly, lies?

                  In the studio, so in the studio.
                  Quote: Gregory_45
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Mig-35 is the same Rafal in its performance characteristics

                  then you do not know the characteristics of Rafal and the MiG-35

                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  The same medium fighter equipped with AFAR

                  that's just AFAR on the MiG-35 is not. It may be on it someday, but now it simply is not there.
                  "We understand that this is a global trend for the use of radar with an active phased antenna on this type of aircraft. Naturally, we already have a prototype for testing," said Tarasenko (note - General Director of RSK MiG).
                  According to him, the corporation will offer as an option the use of such a radar after its development together with the plane
                  At the first stage, Zhuk-M radars were installed on the fighter, which were also installed on MiG-29SMT fighters


                  The MiG-35 is a lightweight fighter, albeit with two engines.

                  who has posts - completely thoughtless copy-paste and reference to pictures))

                  So if I don’t give you quotes and send to infographics, you are the first to require a link to information for confirmation.
                  1. Grigory_45
                    Grigory_45 25 August 2019 14: 28
                    -12
                    and what did you prove with your comment? Where is it said that Rafal and MiG are not cars of the same class? The quote is never a hello. Which means there is a liar (to say the least)
                    Class one, but the characteristics of the machines are different. Comes now? Or did the thinker never turn on?

                    Not in favor of MiG the following:
                    1. it has a larger EPR than Rafal
                    2. The maneuverability characteristics are similar, but they are not paramount to the Indians.
                    3. They are more important than multifunctionality. Rafal is probably the best flying multifunctional vehicle of its class, although very expensive for a light fighter.
                    4. It is serial, unlike the MiG-35
                    5. Has a more advanced avionics (both AFAR and hanging containers)
                    6. The plane itself is expensive, but maintenance is fairly straightforward. Considering the handshake of the Indian technical staff, this is also a plus for the "Frenchman".

                    Not everything is measured by paper TTRX, which can be read in Murzilka, right?
                    1. Sky strike fighter
                      Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 14: 47
                      -1
                      Not everything is measured by paper TTRX, which can be read in Murzilka, right?

                      You know better. I don’t read Murzilka. You mention it almost in every post. Are you impressed by this publication or what’s the matter?
                      It is serial, unlike the MiG-35

                      The Mig-35 is small-series. This year, 6 Mig-35s will be released, 2 of which are already in the army.
                      Class one, but the characteristics of the machines are different. Comes now?

                      Rafal medium fighter you will not deny it?
                      The MiG-35 is a lightweight fighter, albeit with two engines.

                      Here you say that the Mig-35 is a light fighter despite the fact that you claim that the class of the cars is the same, that is, they are classmates. But Rafal is a medium fighter and not light. Confused about the testimony. You see, no one so beloved Murzilka did not help you. Where is the logic?
                      Not in favor of MiG the following:
                      1. it has a larger EPR than Rafal

                      Has a more advanced avionics (both AFAR and hanging containers)

                      Evidence in the studio. According to your two quotes above.
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 14: 55
                        -8
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Rafal medium fighter you will not deny it?

                        Rafale - lightweight multi-purpose (multi-functional) fighter

                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        But Rafal is a medium fighter, not a light one.

                        read above, and understand who gets confused (or rather - floats) wassat

                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Mig-35 small-series. 6 Mig-35 will be released this year

                        Now compare: Rafal has been produced since 2010, it has been replicated in a number of 175 copies.

                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Evidence in the studio

                        those. will you deny that there is no AFAR on Rafal, but on the MiG? Or maybe they created a hanging sighting container for the MiG, for effective work on the ground? not? so don’t carry the blizzard.

                        The demagogue is you, sir. Terry and. Instead of arguing in vain, enlighten.

                        Or, to conduct demagogic conversations = - is the essence of your presence at VO?
                      2. Sky strike fighter
                        Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 15: 18
                        0
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Rafal medium fighter you will not deny it?

                        Rafale - lightweight multi-purpose (multi-functional) fighter

                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        But Rafal is a medium fighter, not a light one.

                        read above, and understand who gets confused (or rather - floats) wassat

                        Link for comparing TTX Mig-35 and Rafal with other fighters. Mig-35 and Rafal are middle class fighters. Enlighten.
                        http://i.imgur.com/H3KKHFq.png
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Evidence in the studio

                        those. will you deny that there is no AFAR on Rafal, but on the MiG? Or maybe they created a hanging sighting container for the MiG, for effective work on the ground? not? so don’t carry the blizzard.

                        That is, you have no evidence. Well, and which of us after this demagogue?
                      3. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 15: 23
                        -7
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Well, which of us after this demagogue?

                        one who thoughtlessly copy-paste. It was on the basis of this, and not real knowledge, that someone recently proved to me that Russian (Soviet) missiles fly by spitting on the laws of physics, and the MiG-31 can easily go into outer space. Wasn't that you? wassat

                        For this, I think the conversation is over, because you really need only a conversation with the seasoning of demagogy and casuistry. For more, alas, you are not capable hi
                      4. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 25 August 2019 18: 37
                        +1
                        I read your discussion, I decided to insert from myself. For the money that you can buy a Rafal, you can buy three MiG - 35s. If two Rafals and six MiG - 35s meet in the sky, who will be the winner?
                      5. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 21: 23
                        -5
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        I read your discussion, I decided to insert from myself. For the money that you can buy a Rafale, you can buy three MiG - 3

                        in my opinion, I wrote that Rafal is an expensive car for its class. Not? Instead, you can buy the latest version F-15. Or the Su-35 with chic options.

                        There is only trouble with the price tag - two MiGs for one Rafal. And that depends on the contract and its conditions and options.
                        Russian planes have always been cheaper. For many reasons.
                      6. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 August 2019 16: 11
                        -1
                        Judging by what is written in the article, not two MiGs can be bought, but three. Not to mention the fact that in Russia the armament and spare parts are usually included in the delivery set, while the geyropeytsy and mattresses only have a naked airplane.
                      7. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 26 August 2019 16: 20
                        -2
                        What is included in the supply, and what is not included, is prescribed in each specific contract. There can be a lot of options. There may be various contract clauses, such as return deliveries. Do you have the text of a contract for the supply of Rafalees on hand? Not? Then there’s nothing to talk about.

                        Rafal costs from 85 million. MiGs were not exhibited for less than 45. And that, I think, is cheap, because the Su-35s go at 75-85 million.
                      8. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 August 2019 17: 19
                        -1
                        It is written above that 36 billion, that is, 7,5 million euros, not dollars, will be paid for 220 airplanes.
                      9. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 26 August 2019 17: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        It is written above that 36 mlr will be paid for 7,5 airplanes

                        uh, how simple) I repeat: you read the contract? If not, then the top of stupidity is to argue how much the plane itself costs

                        An example for the gifted: On May 4, 2015, Qatar signed a contract to acquire 24 Dassault Rafale fighters. The total contract value was EUR 6,3 billion. But, in addition to the aircraft themselves, it included: training of personnel and pilots, technical and service support, as well as the supply of weapons (very expensive, note): medium-range air-to-air missiles MICA IR and MICA EM and long-range Meteor, cruise long-range missiles SCALP-EG and guided bombs GBU and AASM
                      10. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 August 2019 17: 25
                        -1
                        It’s not a question, let’s see what the French will give to the Indians, then we’ll see.
                      11. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 15: 24
                        -5
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        middle class fighters

                        there are no such. There are heavy and light fighters.
                      12. Sky strike fighter
                        Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 15: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        middle class fighters

                        there are no such. There are heavy and light fighters.

                        Masterpiece. Here is your real "knowledge". And what class do you think Typhoon, Rafal, Tornado belong to? In Europe, there was a concept of medium fighters: in the USA there was a heavy F-15 and a light F-16, in the USSR there was a heavy Su-27 and a medium, not a light MiG-29.
                      13. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 15: 39
                        -7
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Masterpiece

                        I’m laughing with you))
                        Well, tell us what a "medium fighter" is, finish off yourself))
                      14. Sky strike fighter
                        Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 15: 51
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Masterpiece

                        I’m laughing with you))
                        Well, tell us what a "medium fighter" is, finish off yourself))

                        I say, in order to prove something to you, you need to quote, otherwise your self-confident "competence" will not be exposed and you will consider that you are right.
                        Leading military developers of different countries almost simultaneously, in the 1980 ... 90s of the last century, came to the conclusion that it was necessary to create a medium multi-role fighter. So in Europe, the Eurofighter Typhoon project appeared, in the USSR, work began on the future MiG-35.

                        https://warbook.club/voennaya-tehnika/samolety/dassault-rafale/
                        So what do you have - and f-16 with gripen "average"?))

                        F-16 and grippen light fighters.
                      15. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 15: 53
                        -6
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        I'm telling you

                        you don’t speak, but cowardly leave the answer. So what is an average fighter?
                      16. Sky strike fighter
                        Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 16: 06
                        -1
                        So what is an average fighter?

                        This is a fighter class that is heavier than 12 tons, but lighter than 16 tons. The definition is purely formal, many people consider these machines to be heavy, but in reality they are average.
                      17. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 16: 25
                        -5
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        This is a fighter class that is heavier than 12 tons, but lighter than 16 tons

                        F-16 has a max. takeoff weight of about 20 tons. This class to which it belongs? lol wassat

                        I’ll tell you in secret - they consider him a light fighter))

                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        The definition is purely formal.

                        it’s not even formal, but invented by you.

                        By the way, empty Rafal weighs about 10 tons, empty F-16 - about 9 tons. What a great difference ..)))
                      18. Sky strike fighter
                        Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 16: 54
                        -1
                        It is considered the mass of empty planes as in the table. But the combat load and the minimum required mass of fuel are also added. This is not taken into account in the table below. So I do not refuse my words.
                        LTX MiG-35, F-16 and Dassault Rafale

                        Length: 17,30 m - 15,03 m - 15,27 m

                        Wing span: 12,0 m - 10,0 m - 10,8 m

                        Wing Area: 38,0 sq.m. - 27,9 sq.m. - 45,7 sq.m.

                        Empty weight: 11000 kg - 10000 kg - 9500 kg

                        Maximum take-off weight: 23500 kg - 21800 kg - 24500 kg

                        Fuel mass: 4800 kg - 3300 kg - 4700 kg

                        Combat load: 6500 kg - 7800 kg - 9500 kg

                        Number of suspension units: 10 - 11 - 14

                        Engine thrust: 2 × 53 kN - 1 × 84 kN - 2 × 50 kN

                        Afterburner thrust: 2 × 88 kN - 1 × 144 kN - 2 × 75 kN

                        Maximum speed: 2,25M - 2,0M - 1,8 M

                        Combat radius: 1000 km - 550 km - 1800 km

                        Practical ceiling: 17500 m - 18000 m - 17000 m

                        Rate of climb: 330 m / s - 250 m / s - 305 m / s

                        Traction vector driven: yes - no - no

                        Radar with AFAR: yes - yes - yes
                      19. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 21: 25
                        -4
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        The mass of empty planes is considered as in the table, but the combat load and the minimum required mass of fuel are also added

                        your personal calculation method? So he said - they themselves came up with)
                      20. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 21: 28
                        -4
                        In general, I am surprised by the number of dunnoes in VO who minus adequate answers and put pluses for bullshit. I personally do not care about the cons, they are an indicator of the adequacy and level of knowledge of the audience present here. He is below the baseboard. It is sad that in the past it turned out to be quite a good resource in the past. Crazy urry patriots rule
                      21. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 21: 29
                        -5
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        So I do not refuse my words.

                        I did not doubt it. Admitting mistakes is not your hobby
                      22. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 16: 26
                        -9
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        This is a fighter class that is heavier than 12 tons, but lighter than 16 tons

                        he came up with it, he proves with foam at the mouth.
                        He proved only one thing - that an amateur, an ignoramus and a demagogue wassat lol
                      23. nks
                        nks 25 August 2019 15: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        http://i.imgur.com/H3KKHFq.png

                        Wow !! Take a picture of the sign from the wiki and do not even hesitate to leave the title !! Furiously plus for courage !! So what do you have - and f-16 with gripen "average"?))
                    2. Constructor68
                      Constructor68 25 August 2019 19: 09
                      +1
                      Not in favor of MiG the following:
                      1. it has a larger EPR than Rafal

                      It is interesting on the basis of what methods the MiG EPR determined?
                      The plane itself is expensive, but its maintenance is quite simple.

                      I wonder how it is? Are you even familiar with Niao or just google?
                    3. The comment was deleted.
                      1. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 21: 40
                        -4
                        Quote: SETSET
                        There is no exact data on the Internet.

                        without knowing what it is about, gnarling is a sign of a near mind. To understand why Rafal’s ESR is lower, you need to know the design of the aircraft. You do not know her. At Rafale, for example, S-shaped air intakes that shield the input circuit of engine turbines. On the MiG, this is not. Etc. Before you write a revealing comment, take the trouble to become at least a knowledgeable person. And then it’s funny and pale)

                        Quote: SETSET
                        Here you deliberately write a lie.

                        you write it in each comment))

                        Quote: SETSET
                        Rafal is inferior to the Mig-35 in terms of maneuverability, since the Mig-35 engines have an all-angle deviation of the thrust vector, while Rafal does not.

                        Rafal has a lower specific load on the wing and PGO, which ensures its equal maneuverability characteristics with the MiG. I heard a ring, but I didn’t understand where he was - what else to expect from an amateur? wassat

                        Quote: SETSET
                        "Zhuk-AE (A)" radar - MiG-35 radar with AFAR

                        The MiG-35 still does not have AFR. You are lying, and brazenly. AFAR for the MiG is in the future, as the developers themselves write about it, both of the aircraft and the radar. You are a liar.

                        Quote: SETSET
                        And you shouldn't even "stutter" about hanging containers - there is no information about this on the Internet

                        Rafal has them, but MiG doesn't have them. There is information on their development - but they are in development, and not in the series and not in the sun.

                        Quote: SETSET
                        That's all your tales

                        that's it, you have only tales and lies.
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      4. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 25 August 2019 21: 20
        -1
        One of the main conditions of India - 1 engine should be on the plane. So F-16, Raphael, F-35. No options.
        1. nks
          nks 25 August 2019 21: 52
          +3
          Tender for single-engine MFIs canceled last year lol
    2. Shuttle
      Shuttle 25 August 2019 17: 04
      0
      Quote: Svarog
      Hindus sawing, do not go to a fortuneteller .. lol

      Do you think the French only sweep sawdust? As they are sawing in Europe and all sorts of states, so far our only dream of this.
      Of course, both Hindus and all other capitalists saw. This is the essence of capital - to make less and worse, and get more and better.
  3. Mooh
    Mooh 25 August 2019 08: 57
    +5
    In short, when buying a cactus, cunning Indians deceived themselves, and now they cry, prick, but continue to eat it.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 August 2019 08: 58
    +5
    Rafale fighter price with armament and service for India. It amounts to 218,6 million euros! For comparison: Russian Su-35 are exported to China (with weapons and service technologies) at a price not exceeding 75 million euros.

    Hindus will go crazy! Either they will bargain until the Ganges flows back, or ours.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 25 August 2019 14: 32
      0
      Judging by the price, the Indians put such a case in their pocket that now they can’t even lift it.
      Now imagine. that the opposition will vote for the resignation of Prime Minister Modi - here the high in the world will rise!
  5. Nycomed
    Nycomed 25 August 2019 08: 59
    -3
    What color does Hindu corruption bloom! fellow
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 25 August 2019 09: 05
    +4
    For that kind of money, the Indians could buy the F-35 and there would still be! This is what I understand the arms procurement system, there someone in India signs a contract and even grandchildren will
  7. Same lech
    Same lech 25 August 2019 09: 05
    +2
    218 million euros ... to see here three hundred percent of profits from manufacturers of military equipment ... the French bourgeois is clearly crazy about such profits ... I think kickbacks for Indian officials are included here. smile
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 25 August 2019 13: 51
      0
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      this also includes kickbacks for Indian officials.

      This is not corruption. It sounds like this scientifically: manitization of a post. All the same, a people with a millennial culture feel
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 25 August 2019 09: 09
    0
    And what is there to discuss ...... hedgehogs ate cacti, like that?
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 August 2019 09: 10
    +2
    Have you got it halfway? Just like in the 90s! From then the rollback "in half" was commonplace ... And with them - now, but on such a scale! Ay yes Indians ...
  10. Errr
    Errr 25 August 2019 09: 12
    +9
    If everything goes well Dassault can speed up production schedule and release one plane per month over the next six years.
    Well, where are those voices that insist that everything is being done in Russia terribly slowly?)))
  11. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 25 August 2019 09: 20
    +6
    It's like in a song about the chieftain: "He exchanged us for a woman, he became a woman in the morning!" yes And now snot with tears in their physiognomy is rubbing and groaning over the plywood flying over Paris! am
    Our Su-35 is a 4 ++ generation aircraft. And "Rafaelka" - only 4th!, But the price is 2,9 times higher ... this is probably because the cockpit is "sprayed" with French perfume! laughing
    But the cunning people from the Fifth Republic raised the price tag above the roof, although they ordered only 180 cars for themselves. Plus, the Egyptians bought 24. But the Indians fell for 126, at a price of 7,8 billion euros. Obviously, "someone" was saving Dassault Renault from collapse, because Back on December 7, 2011, the then French Ministry of Defense Gerard Longuet announced that the production of Rafale would be phased out (after the company fulfills a paid order for the French Air Force for 180 aircraft), if foreign orders for the fighter do not appear, despite the fact that there is no replacement for "DR" yet.
    Well, who after that will say that there is no "corruption component" in this deal? bully
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 25 August 2019 10: 18
      -3
      "Our Su-35 is a machine of the" 4 ++ "generation. And" Rafaelka "is only the 4th" ////
      ----
      On Rafale - AFAR, on the Su-35 it is not.
      On Rafale - an aiming container, on the Su-35 it is not.
      On Rafale, the central computer, on the Su-35 it is not.
      Avionics Rafal is much more advanced than the Su-35.
      1. lucul
        lucul 25 August 2019 10: 57
        +1
        On Rafale - AFAR

        By the way - how are Israeli F-35 pilots there - they don’t complain about cancer, like the Americans?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 August 2019 11: 07
          -4
          Prostate cancer is the problem of all combat pilots. Long sitting
          motionless with insufficient blood circulation in the groin, plus severe G. overload
          The problem is not related to the type of aircraft or country.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 25 August 2019 11: 11
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        On Rafale - AFAR, on the Su-35 it is not.
        On Rafale - an aiming container, on the Su-35 it is not.
        On Rafale, the central computer, on the Su-35 it is not.
        Avionics Rafal is much more advanced than the Su-35.

        All this is understandable - "Raphael" was developed and created by the French, the SU-35 by the Russians, only now everything is all over again, but this time about the superiority of the Israeli aircraft over the SU-35, which was developed and created by the Jews. In the same order and in more detail. I'm all in attention ... yes
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 August 2019 11: 41
          -3
          Israel is developing and successfully selling a variety of avionics for aircraft of the 4th and 5th generation: AFARs, helmets for pilots, sighting and electronic warfare containers, infrared optics, a variety of OMS.
          As well as all types of missiles BB, VZ, SAM.
          When relations between Russia and Israel were better, they even sold UAVs to Russia, which are now the main reconnaissance drones in the Russian army.
          If Russia does not object, they will put Israeli AFARs and other avionics, which Russia has not yet released, on the Indian Su-30s.
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 25 August 2019 11: 56
            +2
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Israel develops and successfully sells a variety of avionics for 4-

            You did not understand the question, or included a misunderstanding with a transition to a different topic? Speech about aircraft, about avionics, UAVs, missiles is another topic.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 August 2019 12: 10
              +1
              You do not understand this: avionics makes up more than 50% of the cost of a modern combat aircraft. Half a plane, as it were.
              Israel is much more profitable to create and sell avionics than a complete assembly aircraft. See how Sweden suffers with its pretty Gripen. England-Germany do not know where to sell Typhoon. Israel has already been in this shoes with Lavi (ahead of the F-16 at that time). Creating is easier than selling.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 25 August 2019 11: 53
        +6
        Quote: voyaka uh
        On Rafale - AFAR, on the Su-35 it is not.
        On Rafale - an aiming container, on the Su-35 it is not.
        On Rafale, the central computer, on the Su-35 it is not.
        Avionics Rafal is much more advanced than the Su-35.

        Apologetics on the site is not necessary! Tea didn’t come to kindergarten at the matinee ...
        Su-35C - A deeply modernized, highly maneuverable multi-functional fighter of the 4 ++ generation. It uses fifth-generation technologies that provide superiority over fighters of a similar class. Distinctive features of the aircraft are a new avionics complex based on a digital information management system integrating onboard equipment systems, a new radar station with a phased antenna array with a long range of detection of air targets with an increased number of simultaneously tracked and fired targets, new engines with increased thrust and a rotary thrust vector

        And if the customer does not like the Irbis, then there is no problem to supply the H036 "Belka" with AFAR -
        the target detection range with 1 m² EPR is 400 km, the number of simultaneously tracked targets is 62 with the ability to aim at 16 targets in air or 4 on land. The on-board computer uses Elbrus processors. Quantity MRP: 1526 pcs.
        Antenna Size: 700 × 900 mm

        And why the hanging sighting container, if everything inside the glider is packed, plus the OLS, but what about Rafalik? Maybe there is a helmet-mounted aiming system?
        So, - ISRAEL ABOVE ALL - does not dance today! It's already Sunday - the Shabbat is over! laughing
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 August 2019 12: 11
          -4
          "then there is no problem to put H036" Squirrel "with AFAR" ////
          ----
          1) There is a problem. Therefore, the Squirrel and not put on the Su-35.
          2) Su-35 does not have an aiming container. Inside the fuselage, it is mounted on only one aircraft: F-35.
          3) OLS is on Rafale too.
          1. nks
            nks 25 August 2019 13: 19
            0
            Well, there are no special problems with the container for export Su-35 - you can import it, just like in Su-30.
        2. nks
          nks 25 August 2019 13: 20
          -1
          And the logo in Rafale has also been around for a long time, with everything else. So you can really go to kindergarten with your own fairy tales about the Squirrel.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 25 August 2019 13: 34
            +5
            Quote: nks
            to kindergarten with his fairy tales about the Squirrel.

            I do not like about Squirrel, if you please, about Irbis and RBE2 in the Block F2 variant, which initially at all on 90 km saw a CC with an EPR of 5 sq.! Now, however, they have reached 150 km ... And Irbis, who is with PFAR, but sees the CC at 100-400 km - depending on the EPR.
            “N035 Irbis” has a target detection range from EPR 0.01 m² to 100 km; EPR 0.1 m² to 160 km; EPR 1 m² to 270 km; EPR 3 m² to 400 km. L-band antenna system, which has a target detection range from EPR 0.01 m² to 130 km.

            And remember, the Russians who were banished by God ceased to slurp their soup for a long time ... As your fellow tribesmen left the borders of the collapsing Union, the places you occupied earlier in science that you only dragged your fellow tribesmen to have freed. I remember it well for the defense! am
            So, "swam - we know!" (from)
            1. nks
              nks 25 August 2019 13: 39
              -4
              With your imagination you would still have literary talent - you would not be sitting here. By the way, if you are talking about Israel, then I have not been there, although after a month I’m going to the sea there.
              1. peter rusin_2
                peter rusin_2 25 August 2019 15: 53
                -1
                the voice of blood spoke!
                1. nks
                  nks 25 August 2019 15: 58
                  +1
                  With such amazing logic, we have almost half the country of Turks, Spaniards and other Egyptians with Thais.
      4. Town Hall
        Town Hall 25 August 2019 12: 14
        +3
        The figures given in the article are nothing more than the author’s fantasies. Like the hype in the comments.
        Indian court forbids declassifying details of the deal on Rafale fighters
        09:11, December 14, 2018

        Moreover, this contract is not just the purchase of 36 airplanes. There is a very extensive program of offset orders from Dassal from Indian firms of other products not related to the production of these airplanes. It’s kind of like we buy airplanes from you, you order the same amount we have other products. 8 billion is the figure of the TOTAL transaction value, not the price of planes. So the figure for 36 aircraft is about 3,5-4 billion. That is, about 100 million per unit with all the bells and whistles — training, weapons, etc. TP.100 million per package is approximately the price of other transactions on aircraft of this level in the world.
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      6. hydrox
        hydrox 25 August 2019 17: 15
        +1
        Let's do it differently: if two groups collide somewhere, one on the Rafaly and the other on the Su-35 - who will suffer heavy losses?
        Now about the causes of losses.
        1. If you hang containers with electronic warfare and with an eye on Rafal, then Rafal loses at a speed of min 200 km / h, and at the same time at a sickly speed of 1915 km / h, while the Su-35 gives 2250 km / h.
        2 Su-35 does not need both of these containers, since these systems are integrated.
        3. The central comp is for target designation, what? So the Su-35 is a built-in function.
        4. About the absence of AFAR on the Su-35 you are lying, because the machine is equipped with radar NO35 Irbis with built-in passive AFAR.

        In addition, the Su-35 has a function of tracking targets in the rear hemisphere, Rafal in the rear hemisphere is blind as a mole.
        On the catch-up courses, Rafal’s 35th detection range is 150 km, while Rafal with the THREE PTB and EW is good if he can escape from the Su-35 on his 1600-1700 km / h.
        It is amazing that there is no data about the capabilities of avionics, but the machine is not young: it’s not all right to see avionics, or it does not meet the tasks
        So you are defending a mothberry that can only bomb old people, children and women.
        And then :: why did YOU (singled out!) Need to compare the Rafal light fighter with the heavy Su-35, if, due to the difference in categories, Rafal would obviously be a loser.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 25 August 2019 18: 07
          +2
          "NO35 Irbis radar with built-in passive AFAR" ///
          ----
          This is not called AFAR, but PFAR.
          "P" means "passive" (one powerful amplifier-transmitter and many receivers).
          "A" means "active" (each element has both an emitter and a receiver).
          In the second case, flexible and dynamic radar tuning is possible. Therefore, all aircraft manufacturers switched from PFAR to AFAR.
          The only Russian AFAR Squirrel is installed on the Su-57 in the amount of 3 prototypes.
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            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 August 2019 21: 54
              +1
              Israeli company Elta produces AFARs for combat
              aircraft for many years. For any type of aircraft, which
              the customer wants.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 26 August 2019 07: 54
                0
                You’re slipping a good prospect :: A message two days ago: the last foreign customer abandoned the Pogosyanovsky plane - this is modern integration (the plane consisted of 85% imported components)
          2. hydrox
            hydrox 25 August 2019 21: 32
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Therefore, all aircraft manufacturers switched from PFAR to AFAR.

            All illiterate commentators have switched to AFAR, since literate ones have long understood that in order to ensure the stealth function, it is necessary to shine less on half the sky with their active radio emission, and more to increase the sensitivity of PFAR ...
            Something like this ... laughing
            In addition, mistaking a mistake for an error is at least an ugly character trait, if you do not use more fair and strong expressions addressed to you.
            1. nks
              nks 25 August 2019 21: 56
              0
              Hmm ... scribble> 4k comments and not get acquainted with the materiel at least at the basic school level - you need to be able to. For you a PRIZE + in the studio!
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 26 August 2019 07: 35
                0
                Give a handkerchief, carpentry?
                1. nks
                  nks 27 August 2019 22: 52
                  -1
                  Don’t worry so much - the prize is awarded to you free of charge. Murzilka Magazine Subscription Bonus Included
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 25 August 2019 22: 01
              0
              "it is necessary to shine less for half the sky with its active radio emission" ////
              -----
              In PFAR, the emitter always cuts at full power,
              and in AFAR you can "divide" the radar into many emitters of different
              power (and various frequencies) up to the minimum.
              F-35 can fly perfectly with
              at minimum power at pseudorandom frequencies by radar,
              orienting himself, while not losing his radio stealth.
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 26 August 2019 07: 00
                +1
                Do not make up :: any radio emission eliminates stealth.
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 25 August 2019 10: 36
      0
      Yes, there is a tradition of corruption more abrupt than that of the Chinese, though they are becoming more and more partners on the corruption hook. Let us recall, for example, Count Witte.
  12. Tusv
    Tusv 25 August 2019 09: 23
    0
    The French manufacturer noted that "it is all about a limited batch of order."

    The Chinese party is much more restrictive. However, only 75 megabax for the plane, which lightly goes into the tail of the Raptor, and in the Sea of ​​Japan, so one pair of F-15 flies to troll, completely without fear of the Iponians. It is urgent to take an example from the French and raise the price tag, at least to the "ridiculous" 150 megabax overboard
    1. nks
      nks 25 August 2019 13: 17
      +2
      > 100mln overboard Su-35 sold to China
      https://iz.ru/747177/2018-05-24/rostekh-raskryl-stoimost-kontrakta-na-postavku-su-35-kitaiu
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 August 2019 14: 03
        +1
        Quote: nks
        100 million overboard China Su-35 sold

        Yes, but with a spare set of engines. And a year ago, the Austrians got "Typhon" for 139 mega Euro bucks. Sorry. Eurofighter is not worth such attendants
        1. nks
          nks 25 August 2019 14: 11
          +1
          As you might guess, bare aircraft generally rarely deliver. In the Chinese contract, minus the Su-35 engines, they are in any case under a hundred. At ~ 75, the Su-30 costs India. And then, in general, typhon?
          1. Tusv
            Tusv 25 August 2019 16: 26
            0
            nks And what does typhon have to do here?

            So. Skandlösche came out about eurofighter for 139 million Euros for Austria.
            I zhezh about the price tag. Rafal then Eurofighter will be stronger, but in comparison with the Su-35 both children. Here it is necessary to return Taburetkin for sale. Let honestly weld on the difference in value bully
            1. nks
              nks 27 August 2019 22: 53
              -1
              Rafal will be stronger than all. A child, judging by age, there is a su-35
          2. Tusv
            Tusv 25 August 2019 16: 45
            0
            What kind of fashion went, They don’t know how to shoot, but they learned how to put down the minuses. I removed this misunderstanding from you
  13. A. Suvorov
    A. Suvorov 25 August 2019 09: 23
    +2
    The scheme is eternal to all of 100. To the seller, buyer, manufacturer, intermediary, lobbyist! And so the price is 25milien no more!
  14. knn54
    knn54 25 August 2019 09: 28
    +2
    It looks like Dassault is in trouble.
  15. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 25 August 2019 09: 43
    +2
    No wonder.
    This price is due to high added value. Otherwise, it is impossible to ensure the level of salaries and pensions, which apologists of money and children abroad love so much about.
    1. silberwolf88
      silberwolf88 25 August 2019 09: 52
      +1
      it’s clear about the French price tag)) ... but why then choose (and there are better and more modern ones with a lower price tag on the market) a 20th century airplane at a price close to 4 ++ and almost 5 ... this can be explained only by dancing ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 25 August 2019 11: 47
        -3
        Russian aircraft - with good flight qualities, but outdated avionics - are noticeably cheaper. European - overpriced due to small series and almost a single assembly.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 25 August 2019 13: 41
          -3
          And lack of competition.
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 25 August 2019 09: 50
    +5
    the brahmanas pounced twice, the first time they left the FGFA program, and there would have been a letak of the 5th generation to them and the brahmanas themselves could have sucked it in to all sorts of Myanmar and so on. and now they will also buy Letak 4+ for a lot of money (as I wrote above for this money, you could have 5 with the possibility of selling it) Bollywood! Jimmy Jimmy! Acha-Acha!
    who does not cry he does not eat wassat
  17. sabakina
    sabakina 25 August 2019 09: 54
    -1
    I never understood how, with the purchase of 100 bolts, the cost of one bolt can drop to 3 rubles at a cost of 5 rubles in production?
  18. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 August 2019 10: 01
    0
    Su35C for China came out about $ 100 million.
    Rafal is on the conveyor, and so ... it’s easier to buy F35A.
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 August 2019 10: 11
    -4
    "If all goes well, Dassault could speed up the production schedule and release one aircraft monthly for the next six years." ////
    -----
    One per month for India, or are they able to produce one per month? belay
    That Typhoon, that Rafal - a single production. recourse
    Only F-35 on the conveyor ...
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 August 2019 11: 00
      +3
      We also have sausages on the conveyor, but it’s not possible to eat them, unlike the Soviet ones ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 25 August 2019 11: 08
        0
        Sausages are the first sausage conveyor. The first automation in sausage business.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 25 August 2019 11: 15
        0
        Quote: sabakina
        We also have sausages on the conveyor, but it’s not possible to eat them,

        laughing good !!! By the way, not only sausages ... Enumerate, there will not be enough space on the branch. Our to you hi
    2. Town Hall
      Town Hall 25 August 2019 12: 36
      -3
      Quote: voyaka uh
      One per month for India

      Is India in a position to "master" a more intense schedule of aircraft deliveries? Do they have the infrastructure ready to use these brand new aircraft? How long does it take to train crews and technicians for a number of times, organize logistics, etc., etc. The point of what is to supply them with 36 aircraft for a year, and then they will "rot" for years in hangars due to the fact that there are no trained pilots and technicians.
      The delivery times are probably tied to the degree of readiness of the Indians to "master" the aircraft. As well as to the schedules of payments, return orders and payments of the French under contracts, etc., etc. Indians pay with real money ... and not buy with the supplier's credits. And palm oil not calculated)
    3. Potato
      Potato 25 August 2019 12: 58
      -1
      This also surprised me. One per month for such a fun company is not even funny. Apparently, yellow vests forgot how to work))
    4. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 25 August 2019 13: 18
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "If all goes well, Dassault could speed up the production schedule and release one aircraft monthly for the next six years." ////
      -----
      One per month for India, or are they able to produce one per month? belay
      That Typhoon, that Rafal - a single production. recourse
      Only F-35 on the conveyor ...

      But what kind of F-35. Stealth say? Yes yes.
      The F-35 fighter "glows" on radar like a passenger airliner, Defense Aerospace reports. The wear of a special coating that allows the latest fighter to become "invisible" to radars, leads to the fact that the aircraft is visible on radars. To prevent this from happening, literally after each flight, the coverage for the F-35 must be updated.

      https://m.tsargrad.tv/news/nevidimka-svetjashhajasja-na-radarah-kak-amerikanskie-f-35-provalivajut-kazhdyj-polet_173415
    5. nks
      nks 25 August 2019 13: 27
      0
      This year,> 24 rafals will be delivered (by the way, there are less su-35). And strictly speaking, this is not called a conveyor, but simply the sizes of the series are different.
      A factory in Merignac can produce up to 30 a year. Partially, production in India is localized, which also increases opportunities. The matter of orders and planning
  20. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 25 August 2019 10: 36
    0
    And how some representatives of the Armed Forces and the Government of India perverted in the press about the purchase of Russian equipment. Sometimes the ancient descendants of the gypsies can be bred! Do not be deceived and not deceived.
  21. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 25 August 2019 10: 51
    +1
    Hahah, buy another batch of planes from us, and we will make a discount, cleverly)))
    The French defeated the Indians))
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 August 2019 11: 03
    0
    Let the little pigs pay ...
    They sent us, they say they decided to try a new one.
    Well, if they turn to us, I hope ours will offer a price lower ... quite a bit lower.
  23. Strashila
    Strashila 25 August 2019 12: 24
    +1
    "produce one aircraft monthly for the next six years", which will be the last of the series, by 2025, by the characteristics of trash. Let the cost of operation be announced in relation to the MiG-35, what will be their use for India. And in general, further modernization is possible and how much it will cost ... so the latest cars will have a different price tag.
  24. Reading
    Reading 25 August 2019 13: 06
    0
    Somehow expensive. Against the background of the same F35
  25. nks
    nks 25 August 2019 13: 16
    +4
    In reality, everything is somewhat wrong, of course. Firstly, on the one hand, no one has officially announced the amount of the contract, and on the other hand, it has been unofficially known since the signing of the contract (2016) - this figure has since been replicated. The cost of the sides themselves ~ 3,3 yards eur = ~ 92mln on average per side is also not officially known (and there are two types: sparks are more expensive, single are cheaper). Secondly, in the contract a substantial amount for OCD for specific modifications for India is ~ 1,7 yards. Actually, this amount is the main (but not the only) resource for lowering the price of overboard. With a starting contract of 36 rafals, the cost of OCD per unit will be 47 mln, at 100 - 17 mln, and at 200 (taking into account a possible fleet contract) - 8,5 mln.
    At the same time, do not forget about the offset -> 3 yards of the contract amount are invested in the aerospace enterprises of India.
    This, of course, is not news either, and all this was known 3 years ago, just now, in connection with the arrival of the first boards, option negotiations have intensified
    1. Victoria-V
      Victoria-V 25 August 2019 13: 27
      +1
      Now grab the minuses !!!
      1. nks
        nks 25 August 2019 13: 33
        0
        Yes, let them eat - I do not mind :) I myself only if I put pluses, but rarely. You, Vika, plus :)
  26. iouris
    iouris 25 August 2019 13: 43
    -3
    What is India paying for? I think not only for a certain number of aircraft. So how much "huge" price India pays is not our question. The Russian Federation has lost the competition and the reasons are clear: the ability of the Russian Federation to independently produce high-quality aviation equipment is called into question.
  27. eagle owl
    eagle owl 25 August 2019 16: 08
    +1
    Sniffing with your mouth and mouth is not good. You can tear
  28. 123456789
    123456789 25 August 2019 17: 37
    +1
    Quote: Peter Rusin_2
    SU-30s produced in Russia cost Indians 41,2 million, US dollars, and those produced by Indians cost 72 million! Such is the arithmetic)))
    Why dump so?
    1. 123456789
      123456789 25 August 2019 21: 57
      +1
      In general, it is more correct to compare Rafal with the Mig-35, and not the Su-35S.

      Country
      Russia
      France
      Manufacturer
      OKB Mikoyan Gurevich
      Dassault
      Name
      MiG-35
      Gust
      Modification
      MiG-35
      Gust
      Start of production (g.)
      2002
      1985
      Length (m.)
      17.32
      15.30
      Height (m.)
      4.73
      5.34
      Wingspan (m.)
      12.00
      10.90
      Empty weight (kg.)
      11 000
      9 060
      Maximum take-off weight (kg.)
      22 700
      21 500
      Maximum flight range (km.)
      3 000
      2 000
      Maximum flight speed (km / h)
      2 400
      1 900
      Cruising speed (km / h)
      -
      1 350
      Practical ceiling (m.)
      17 500
      16 765
      Power point
      2 x TRDDF RD-33 ser.3M
      2 x Turbofan SNECMA M88-2
      Engine power
      8 800
      92
      The crew (people).
      2
      2
      weaponry
      30-mm gun GSH-301 (ammunition 100 cartridges),
      combat load - 4500 kg at 9 nodes of the suspension (in reloading version, with a reduced fuel supply) - not more than 9000 kg,
      UR class air - medium-range air R-27 and RVV-AE, short-range missiles R-73, anti-ship X-31A and X-35
      12 250 kg of bombs and 4 8 SD or SD
      Produced (units)
      -
      140
      1. 123456789
        123456789 25 August 2019 22: 47
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        In the light of increasing competition, not so much in aircraft types as in the struggle for crumbs allocated by the state, the appointment of M. Poghosyan, a native of Sukhoi, the head of MiG corporation, looked rather ambiguous in 2009. Then, during 2011-2014, Mikhail Aslanovich headed the JSC UAC. At that time, the largest once OKB Mikoyan struggled for survival. The collective was forced to apply in an open letter to the leadership of Russia with a request for help, justifying it with a number of facts, to which until then only experts drew attention. In particular, the Mikoyans almost directly blamed the loss of the MiG-35 Indian tender Pogosyan, who lobbied the SSJ-100 passenger project with all his might. It's not a type of aircraft, but money, which would have to "tear off" from the "Superjet" for the production of more than a hundred "MiGs."
        While victory multipurpose fighter «4 ++» generation MiG-35 seemed a foregone conclusion. Especially since India first expressed interest in the aircraft, the military experts of the country were present at the trial, their comments were taken for execution. Interestingly, the abandoning of the contract, India has not lost interest in the MiG-35, the improvement which continues in the direction of increasing combat effectiveness, function, versatility, and overall improvement of performance in accordance with modern requirements.

        Read more at: http://avia.pro/blog/mig-35
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 August 2019 07: 04
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    Gypsy paddlers inflated. The beauty! laughing