We have already lost the World War. But maybe there is still a chance?

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Get to know each other. This is an indispensable participant in the upcoming Third World War - the ECUOT pyrolysis plant, which was created by Sergey Lavrov, the holder of three degrees, “Miner Glory”, “Honorary Miner” of the USSR Ministry of Coal Industry, “Miner of Russia” and others, and others. In the war they will give her, I think, another name, more formidable and expressive, but for now let it be so.


Here it is - the installation of "ECUOT". Its unpretentious appearance is due to the fact that it went into operation for several years and went through a whole series of alterations, bringing it to the fullest possible mechanization and technical perfection. It is designed much better than it might seem at first glance.




Russia, of course, is completely unprepared for a world war, moreover, almost nothing is being done for this preparation. This is best considered with one concrete example, which, in my opinion, is one of the most expressive.

What is readiness for war?


This is not talk about the latest developments and billions of the military budget, not universal NVP or patriotic education. This is primarily the readiness of production, the industrial base that produces weapons, ammunition and a long list of all military products or used in war. Production is understood not only as specialized military factories, but also in general any plant or factory that can be converted to military output, as well as industries supplying them with raw materials, fuel and energy. This production at the time the war began should be available and work.

In World War II, industry had weeks and months before enemy planes reached them, reach Tanks and the infantry will stomp on. During this time it was possible to switch to the production of military products, or to evacuate to a quieter place in advance, and also to take various necessary measures. Now the situation is completely different. Missiles, ballistic and cruise missiles, allow to strike the military-industrial complex to the full strategic depth already in the first hours and days of the war. It is most expedient not to waste rather expensive missiles on a wide range of targets, but to concentrate the strike on the fuel and energy complex: power plants, oil refineries and petrochemical plants, gas and oil fields, nodal objects of gas and oil pipelines, large nodal substations of the energy system. Without electricity, gas and oil, all these new tanks and planes, which are now so much talked about, all military factories turn into almost useless junk. Without fuel and energy, the army cannot fight, and industry cannot work.


Impressive? But we must not forget that the military plant needs metal, it needs electricity.


I already once wrote that the Americans will have enough fifty cruise missiles in order to crush the gas industry in Russia and achieve economic collapse. If we add more 100-150 missiles to destroy large refineries, disable nuclear power plants and nodes of the power system, then, in general, about 200 missiles will be enough to bring down the entire industry. If part of the cruise missiles is intercepted and shot down, then the attack can be repeated with ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.


As an example, the Moscow Oil Refinery Gazpromneft. Installation of a new gasoline production complex. Everything is in the open. The company has invested billions of dollars in the modernization of the 3,7 plant. The Americans can spend this heel of cruise missiles, worth about 4 million dollars, turn this plant into a bonfire.


Thus, readiness for war is now not only the presence of production, but also its dispersal and protection from nuclear missile attacks. First of all, the dispersion and security of electricity and fuel production. It is best to have, for example, underground power plants, refineries and petrochemical complexes, underground military plants and so on. Underground objects can also be hit, but it is already much more difficult and with a high consumption of missiles, that is, they will have to tinker with. If underground facilities are also dispersed over vast spaces and have the opportunity to use all kinds of local raw materials, then crushing production is not so easy. You can spend the entire missile arsenal and still many more production facilities will remain intact, whose capacities are enough to repel.

All this is great, but I have never heard that we are building underground power plants or refineries. Both old objects and new ones are all in the open. Hence the conclusion: unpreparedness for war.

Pyrolysis is a guarantee


The ECUOT pyrolysis plant can solve these fuel and energy problems in wartime. In the apparatus, any organic substance (household waste, manure, wood, rubber, as well as peat and coal with a high content of volatile substances) decomposes under heating without access of air to combustible gas, pyrolysis liquid, and coal dust. The plant is omnivorous, and various types of raw materials can be mixed in different proportions, getting a different composition of products.

Combustible gas is partially spent on the operation of the installation itself, and is also used to generate electricity at a gas piston or gas turbine installation; The pyrolysis liquid is processed into gasoline, kerosene and diesel fuel, oils, with the associated extraction of toluene for explosives, and coal dust is used as fuel, for example, to generate electricity.

In addition to the energy cycle, a metallurgical cycle is also possible if the installation operates next to a small blast furnace or steelmaking furnace. Coal can be used in a blast furnace process to process iron ore and produce cast iron, and gas can be used in a steel-smelting furnace for melting scrap or iron, or a furnace for smelting non-ferrous metals. However, pyrolysis liquid also remains, although the composition of the pyrolysis feed can be mixed so that more gas is obtained.

Despite its compactness (all equipment occupies a volume approximately equal to the volume of an 40-foot container; it can easily be placed in a bunker or underground mine), it is very powerful and can process up to 15 tons of raw materials per day, for example, household waste. The output is about 30% or 4,5 tons of pyrolysis liquid (which gives about 800-900 kg of gasoline and the same amount of kerosene during processing, the rest is diesel fuel), about 40% gas, 6 tons or 9677 cubic meters. There is so much gas that it’s enough to provide fuel for seven gas-piston power plants with an output of 200 kW each, and get 33,6 thousand kWh per day. The remaining 30% or 4,5 tons are coal.

Since pyrolysis is a cycle, and the installation before unloading coal and loading a new batch of raw materials needs to be cooled (it is still very good as a heating unit), it is more expedient to use them in pairs to achieve continuous operation and obtain pyrolysis products.

A month, one such installation produces a total of 135 tons of oil, about the same amount of coal and a little more than 1 million kWh of electricity.


135 tons - these are approximately two railway tanks


A thousand installations will produce 135 thousand tons of oil raw materials per month, as much coal and 1 billion kWh of electricity. A year, a thousand units will supply about 1,6 million tons of oil, which is suitable for processing and for direct use. This covers about half the annual fuel requirement for an army of about a million people with the right equipment.

In general, 5 of thousands of such installations is a certain guarantee that we will not be defeated simply by a missile strike on fuel and energy facilities. Having them, you can fight and have a reserve for the military industry and restoration work.

We have already lost the war


Now bad news. We have only one ECUOT installation. One! And that experienced one, assembled from a variety of units and parts. This means that we lost the world war, long before the first shot.

Neither five thousand nor a thousand installations can be done at the click of a finger. It will take several years at the very Stakhanov pace to produce such a fleet of plants with all the necessary equipment, which also comes out quite a lot: power plants, an oil refinery, gas holders, tanks, conveyors and so on. Their mass production has not begun. To do this, about 100 million rubles are needed, but Lavrov could not be found. He generally has a strange situation: the flow of visitors, combined with the lack of funding, viscous paperwork and many obstacles. And this despite the many innovative programs with multi-billion dollar budgets.

Hence the conclusion: we do not have real preparation for war, we only have conversations and imitation. What is important for the war effort is not done. There is no real and resistant to missile attacks of the military economy - there is no military power, and there is only a cardboard decoration that will fall from a single blow with a boot.

All this is purely natural. The fear of a great war, which originated in Soviet times and has not yet been eradicated, inevitably gives rise to an ostrich position, hopes that war can be avoided by public relations and intimidating a probable opponent with exhibition samples of "weapons that have no analogues in the world", hope for nuclear "otvetku", or hoping that this time the broadest concessions will work. Under the slogan “there will be no war”, everything truly military-significant is stifled and crushed in the bud. What do you want? All these are consequences of the lack of a true political ideology, which was abandoned in the Soviet era for fear of war.
History on this, of course, does not end there. But the continuation will be very difficult and difficult, and in particular, such pyrolysis plants will have to be built manually, from the material that was found. But, until this happened, perhaps we still have a chance, albeit a small one, to prevent this?
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  1. 10+
    26 August 2019 15: 08
    "... This requires about 100 million rubles, but Lavrov never managed to find them."
    Advertising article?

    "... but there is only a cardboard decoration that will fall from one blow with a boot."
    and what kind of boots are we talking about?

    And this is generally a masterpiece:
    "Hence the conclusion: we have no real preparation for war, we have only talk and imitation ..."
    1. 11+
      26 August 2019 15: 36
      Quote: Nasr
      "... This requires about 100 million rubles, but Lavrov never managed to find them."
      Advertising article?

      "... but there is only a cardboard decoration that will fall from one blow with a boot."
      and what kind of boots are we talking about?

      And this is generally a masterpiece:
      "Hence the conclusion: we have no real preparation for war, we have only talk and imitation ..."

      The author lives at the beginning of the 20 century.
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      2. +5
        27 August 2019 12: 12
        In addition to the mat, there is nothing to characterize this article. How did she get here? To the moderators
        1. +2
          1 September 2019 19: 19
          It seemed to me that the author should understand the technical essence of the issue he is covering. I declare responsibly: he has no clue. I will substantiate: dry plant material is cellulose (mainly), i.e. a polysaccharide. The gross formula of polysaccharides is CH2O. Anyone who remembers the basics of chemistry will easily calculate that it contains exactly 30% carbon by weight. If we got 30% carbon, then the rest will be water - and only water! No gas, toluene, etc. Another extreme case will be the decomposition of carbon monoxide and hydrogen CO and H2. But in this case, the coal yield is not 30%, but 0%. Inconsistencies both in the yield of hydrocarbon fractions and in the calorific value of the gas... If you take into account mineral impurities, water in the raw material, the loss of part of the product to heat the reactor, you will see that everything is even worse. In general, it looks like a cheap advertisement for Energizer. And, of course, it is much more reasonable to store strategic reserves of hydrocarbon fuel (gasoline, diesel fuel, kerosene) underground, rather than install ridiculous gas generators, which they suffered with back in WWII. And I think that the Russian Federation has strategic reserves of fuel.
          Moderators, it seems, only clean the grammar and catch the mat. The same thing, but I would like more. And the article deserves a mat - and the best one.
          1. 0
            1 September 2019 21: 54
            Another pseudo-specialist, only now mowing down as a chemist. laughing
            If wood is meant, then the proportion of cellulose ranges from 30 to 55%, depending on the species. the rest is lignin, which is a complex mixture of aromatic polymers related to phenylpropane. Therefore, in the pyrolysis of wood, tar is obtained containing benzene, xylene, toluene, creosol and many other substances.

            How does the earth carry you with such broken brains?
            1. +2
              1 September 2019 22: 30
              Stop lying. Firstly, hardwood contains 18-24% lignin, softwood - 23-50%, cereal straw - 12-20%. Secondly, lignin also contains enough oxygen, and therefore in clean and completely dry wood the weight ratio of carbon to oxygen is very close to 49:44. How are you going to get coal, hydrocarbons and combustible gas with a XNUMX% yield in your samovar, having so much oxygen in the raw material? And you also spend part of the raw material on heating the reactor. Have you seen the thermograms of wood pyrolysis? How much heat is spent on pyrolysis? Finally, you are going to produce everything from garbage, and you ignore mineral impurities, and drying this trash is also expensive ...
              Your article is populist. By the way, the cheapest BAU coal costs (at retail) 300 rubles/kg. In Russia, at least 38 enterprises are engaged in the production of charcoal, and this product is expensive. The scale of production is not small - in 2018, 61 tons of charcoal were produced in Russia. Other pyrolysis products are also collected for organic synthesis - but no one, of course, will build thousands of pyrolysis units for the sake of dubious undertakings.
              And you shouldn't be rude: I'm not pretending to be a chemist, I am a chemist. I have implemented developments many times more than you have teeth - even if none of them fell out. If you have arguments (with calculations) - write, we'll discuss. And if not - just say so. For now, I have doubts that you are a chemist.
              1. 0
                1 September 2019 23: 48
                To begin with, I have nothing to discuss with you. For the simple reason that you have come running to subvert. The motives for subversion are most likely commonplace: envy. It must have been not enough brains to create something similar, and so they rushed into the realm of criticism, which, however, betrays you head-on.

                Have you already forgotten in your critical frenzy how you claimed that organic matter consists of cellulose? Who are you trying to rub something into? Your previous comment remained. So there’s nothing now to jump from cellulose to lignin, the existence of which I reminded you.

                If you are engaged in charcoal, then here you are, and please do not get involved in obtaining pyrolysis fuel, because you obviously do not have enough knowledge for this.
                1. +2
                  2 September 2019 07: 54
                  I can remind you that there is also hemicellulose. Does that change anything? No, and you understand that perfectly well. Whether there is lignin or not - little changes, especially in light of the fact that you propose to use all sorts of garbage. There is almost no lignin in straw, for example. It is not for you to judge my knowledge. But you have demonstrated yourself in all your glory. Your article was pecked at. And about envy: as I said, I have many implemented technologies, much more subtle. Your barrel has been known for at least three hundred years. Big deal: adjust the pyrolysis mode.
                  I repeat: your figures contradict the chemical composition of the raw materials, the amount of hydrocarbon fractions and the calorific value of other products do not correspond to thermodynamics - and very much so.
                  And you have nothing to answer - except how to translate the arrows and break off. What are you doing. I am ashamed, young man.
                  1. 0
                    2 September 2019 11: 24
                    You are not evaluating the results correctly. There were about a dozen commentators with a negative attitude (especially since they write like that under all my articles), and more than one hundred thousand people read the article. Everyone who reads can draw their conclusions from what they read. I write for most, not a dozen critics.
                    You would like it so much, you want me to be pecked. But alas, it will not work. You have to bear it courageously.

                    Do you know exactly the chemical composition of the raw material, which each time falls into the apparatus? It is very different every time, due to the different composition of household waste, and due to the fact that rubber, plastic scrap, and sometimes even used oil are mixed into it. Accordingly, the output is different.
                    Further, like the overwhelming majority of "certified specialists with implemented technologies" who grab for pyrolysis, you do not even suspect that not only decay, but also synthesis, which is enhanced by catalysts, is taking place in the apparatus. That's the beauty of it. There are complex processes that you persistently try to reduce to a simple formula.
                    Since you did not understand this (either because of a lack of intelligence, or because you were beaten off at the institute), then you did not succeed. And now you have come running and trying to scream.
                    1. +1
                      2 September 2019 18: 44
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                      Quote: wehr
                      You are not evaluating the results correctly. There were about a dozen commentators with a negative attitude (especially since they write like that under all my articles), and more than one hundred thousand people read the article.

                      No, dear, it is you who incorrectly evaluate the results. It does not matter how many people read your opus, because it is not known how they reacted to the content. It is important how many comments there were. And there were (so far) 256. And a significant (if not more) part of the negative ones.
                      Yes, I understand that by specially selecting the composition of the raw materials, you can get a very decent yield of the target products. But you have given a narrow framework for the composition of the products and their quantities, from which it follows that you are not going to feed the reactor with manure, straw, or household garbage. It is hard to believe that in the conditions of a nuclear war, someone will organize the collection of pure polyethylene, or phenolic plastics, or rubber for your tubs. There will be bark, random trash and garbage mixed with soil. Or even with corpses. There will be a lot of water - and drying is quite expensive. What is the yield and what products will there be in this case, and not in model conditions? How long will the catalyst last before poisoning? You do not say a word about this.
                      And you don’t need arrogance: I also know about catalysts, and I was engaged in pyrolysis - however, very pure raw materials: FFS, ladder polymers, etc. I know that this business is capricious and not very easily managed, and very dependent on raw materials.
                      1. -1
                        3 September 2019 01: 53
                        So what? Half of the commentators are regulars who write under any of my articles. And what they write negatively, so they probably have some reason. Envy, maybe. Or enemy agents, here and there are such. In any case, I completed my task. Information sunk into the heads of a large number of people, and if it cooks, then someone will remember about this installation.

                        Why do you think so? This installation was originally made under household trash with a decent share of plastic. In general, they tried a lot on it. Peat. Brown coal B2 and B3. Waste poultry farms and meat plants. Manure. Something else. Each time there was a good result. Organic waste, such as manure or poultry farm waste, was perfectly processed: a little coal and a little liquid, but a lot of gas. Korye, especially coniferous, good raw materials. The bark has a high resin content. The Germans at the end of the war tried to distill for fuel. If ski comes out and is added to the liquid - why not?
                        Drying is a technological issue. It's crazy to spend extra fuel on drying. The heating device of the installation has a waste of hot gases, which, with the help of a collector and a pipe, are discharged into a conveyor dryer. Just on a pilot installation, the collection was not mounted. Why should calories warm the atmosphere? Let the raw materials dry.
                        In addition, the steam-water fraction also removes something from the raw materials, similar to how ground resin removes methanol and acetic acid. Water from the apparatus must also be recycled.
                        Most likely, nickel, chromium and iron - chromium-nickel stainless steels, as well as in general any steel part of the apparatus and condenser in contact with the vapor-gas mixture, works as a catalyst. Products: paraffins and olefins. This was even observed among home-made workers; their capacitors were clogged with paraffin, although they did not install special catalysts.

                        This installation is good precisely in the military-economic sense, since it turns unnecessary or unusable raw materials into a valuable product. For example, peat becomes a complete petrochemical feedstock.
    2. 13+
      26 August 2019 15: 40
      the author’s campaign, whether it’s funniest to eat, or CNN often watches at night ..... shorter than complete nonsense .... some will have cruise missiles launched a..we watch them fly .... yes one static submarine is enough for Europe to the desert has turned
      1. +4
        26 August 2019 21: 00
        This is if there is an order, but who will write about their property and the place of residence of their children?
        1. 0
          26 August 2019 23: 52
          This is if the order will be but who will write about their property and place of residence of the children?

          do you want to tell Lavrov and Peskov in advance they will inform about the attack ... so that they can emigrate .... do you really believe in it drinks
          1. +5
            27 August 2019 00: 04
            No, I mean that even in the event of war they won’t grind Europe into dust hoping to reach an agreement
            1. +3
              27 August 2019 15: 43
              No, I won’t even erase Europe into dust, even in case of war, hoping to agree

              when rockets fly at you .... diplomacy is no longer working .... and rocket launch sites and carriers must be destroyed ... this is an axiom
        2. +6
          27 August 2019 10: 06
          I remember that in the event of a loss of contact with the headquarters and with obvious signs of a nuclear war, the commanders of the nuclear submarines do not need any special codes and orders, everything is already on board. And I don’t think that all the commanders have children at Harvard ... If it were all so simple, we would already be devoured. No, from a military point of view, no one will risk us doing anything. It is too dangerous, and the chances are too great that we will take the whole planet with us all the same ... Our vulnerability is not in the military plane, but in the political. Recently, they have been doing a lot of stupid things for us, and this opens the door for all kinds of orange revolutions. We would have decided already, or we would be tough, without looking back at anyone changing the country, but then we don’t have to play shit democracy, or we still play, but then we need to work for the satisfaction of the electorate. And neither fish nor meat, and a high risk of having problems from within a year or two ...
          1. -5
            27 August 2019 11: 24
            Dear, oleg123219307 (Oleg). "..You should have already decided, or we will change the country harshly, without looking back at anyone, .." - I agree with your words. But this will require great sacrifices from our people. First of all, we will have to give up the level of consumption and comfort that we have now. Are our citizens ready for such sacrifices? I think they are not. In recent years, a lot of work has been done in Russia to make it impossible to restore our independence. I have said many times: developed modern industry is the key to the independence of any state.
            "... Scientists, unraveling the web of property, have established the existence of a dense 'super-group' of 147 companies - all their property belongs to other members of this 'super-group' - who control most of all finances and resources on earth ....
            ... So, to summarize the above, the following picture will turn out. 1) There are several hundred giant corporations in the world that are tightly interconnected by property relations and common business; 2) Most of these corporations are financial: banks, investment companies, investment funds, insurance companies; 3) These corporations substantially belong to each other, but there is no small single group of owners owning all these corporations; 4) Given the number and size of companies, it can be said that several thousand key decisions within the corporate “core” of the modern economy top managers; 5) Each of them has their own interests, their own ideas about the business, their goals and cockroaches in their heads. It is impossible to control the brains of thousands of independent smart people, just as it is impossible to imagine that they can agree on some joint actions; 6) The corporate core of the economy is a complex “system of checks and balances” that excludes too abrupt movements of any of the participants in this core.
            P.S. After the collapse of the USSR, all large Russian companies are integrated into these chains of super-groups of 147 companies. How can Russia build its independent economy if "this is a complex "system of checks and balances" that excludes too abrupt movements by any of the participants in this core."
            1. 0
              27 August 2019 11: 56
              Actually quite simple. The recipe for getting out of dependence on neighbors, corporations, oligarchs has been known for a long time. Dictatorship, national idea, external enemy and war. Yes, this is a hard way. Yes, living standards will triple in the short term. But this can be done, at one time in our country it already happened. Another question is whether this should be done. Globalization has its advantages, and in what way humanity will develop in the next 30 years, I do not know, I am not a prophet. It just seems to me that you can’t be good both ours and yours. Want to live with Europe, corporations and the global world? Can. Pluses - a high standard of living, unlimited personal freedom, the chosen and controlled power, travels around the world. Cons - migration and homosexuality, the collapse of their own diversified economy, the legalization of drugs, and the accompanying joys ... We want our strong, independent country to the borders of which the enemies are not only suitable, afraid to watch? Could be so. The pluses are security, no USA will decide tomorrow that there are too many Russians in the world, jobs, fewer migrants, non-traditional people, drugs and other things, confidence in the stability of the future. Well, in general, everything that was in the Union. Cons are also known. The absolute power of the ruling elite, the lack of social elevators, lower living standards, the restriction of personal freedoms. Both that and that option are clear. They are trying to do something average in my opinion, and in the end, due to the appearance of respect for human rights and democratic freedoms, they leave a loophole for imbalance ...
              1. +5
                27 August 2019 12: 31
                Some kind of porridge of patriotism and anti-Sovietism. What, now in Saratov, the standard of living of 90% of the population is higher than it would have been under socialism? That there were no "social elevators" in the USSR, but now they work wonderfully? Didn't you dream of Novodvorskaya?
                1. +3
                  27 August 2019 13: 45
                  How do you measure the standard of living? Utilities? Then it's worse now than in the Soviet Union. Food - twice as good. Personal transport - well, in my opinion, it's obvious. Work - worse. It's hard to divide into black and white. But on average, there are more opportunities now, and significantly more. If the Soviet Union hadn't stuck to ideology, if it had allowed small and medium businesses to develop, while maintaining state control over key areas of the economy, that is, if it had followed the Chinese path, everything would be different now. But what's the point in talking about it? So no anti-Soviet sentiment, just quiet sadness about missed opportunities. I don't give a damn about social elevators. I'm an engineer, and I'm not striving for a political career. On the contrary, I believe that management is a job that should be done by specialists, and not by talkative upstarts who have broken through. What's the point? We've been playing and are still playing at fucking democracy. We've gotten used to permissiveness and the invaluability of every armchair expert's opinion. This will come back to haunt us.
          2. 0
            30 August 2019 19: 57
            Even with the collapse of the union, there was no one who could just use nuclear weapons. Probably because it is impossible on the personal initiative of even the submarine commander
            1. 0
              31 August 2019 13: 03
              And what, was there any sense?
      2. +6
        26 August 2019 23: 28
        some will launch cruise missiles a..we watch them fly ....

        To thinking:

        Schemes of pipelines, oil and gas hubs, and other key elements of the hydrocarbon economy of Russia are even available in Yandex.Pictures with varying degrees of detail. The same is true for the electric power industry.
        Where, how and how to hit so that this system collapses?
        How effectively can such (such) attacks be countered by existing (or planned to be deployed in the foreseeable future) means?
        In my opinion, to destroy this economy is much easier than to protect. In addition, it is not necessary to shoot missiles because of large and small puddles - no one has canceled sabotage methods.
        So, advertising or not, IMHO - the problem exists, its scale is underestimated, a solution is needed. Proposed in the article - maybe not optimal, but are there other options?
        1. +4
          26 August 2019 23: 56
          The same is true for the electric power industry.
          Where, how and how to hit so that this system collapses


          in the event of a war, nobody will think about gas supplies somewhere and no one will .... but nuclear plants in France, for example, are even closer to each other than in Russia ...
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 00: 19
            in the event of war, think about gas supplies somewhere and no one will be ....

            A momentary transition from a political and economic confrontation to the exchange of massive thermonuclear strikes is theoretically possible, but with a probability lower than a worthy detailed analysis.
            Iran is a relevant example. How soon will the aggressors move from strikes on external elements to methodical swotting of more and more important infrastructure nodes of the Iranian state? It may not be very soon. But gradually the objects of industry, science, communications, energy, utilities, etc. will "spontaneously" malfunction and fail. (already worked with centrifuges). Plus environmental and epidemiological outbreaks, Maidan-swamp riots….
            And when the situation gets tense enough, a few well-considered strikes on key targets will make any further "war" unnecessary.
            1. +1
              27 August 2019 04: 39
              A current example is Iran. How soon will aggressors move from attacks on external elements to methodically swotting more and more significant infrastructure nodes of the Iranian state?
              Don't confuse Iran with Russia. The possibilities are too different! And a few well-timed strikes will forever discourage the US from experimenting!
              1. +5
                27 August 2019 05: 13
                You do not confuse Iran with Russia

                “Putai-Putai” is from another opera.
                I just gave a scalable example.
                Let's take a simpler example and a smaller scale.
                You live in a house where good neighborly relations reign, and HOA solves all current and potential problems for one or two. This idyll has attracted the attention of the neighboring Management Company, which spuds three neighborhoods, and has still not reached your home.
                Question: How long will your HOA last?
                (In terms of comparison, Iran / Russia: there are 6 employees in the Company, in your HOA - 300+ residents. Are you sure of your unconditional victory?)
                1. +1
                  27 August 2019 05: 44
                  And, besides, oil and gas are not only fuel, electricity and heat. This is a fair part of what we come in contact with from rising to hanging up, as well as in other everyday situations (well, you know that the steering wheel serves to turn right, left, and also in other directions).
                  1. +5
                    27 August 2019 08: 08
                    This entire energy infrastructure looks exactly the same with the adversaries. And in Europe and in the USA and in China and anywhere on the earth.
                    So that all are equally vulnerable.
                    1. 0
                      27 August 2019 08: 28
                      And yes! According to the article.
                      It goes without saying that the article confuses the warm with the soft and falls into a heap, but I want to say KEY.
                      No one has ever, in the past and in the future, with all the diligence, been and will not be READY for war at the time of its beginning. It's impossible.
                      But it is possible to be READY BETTER than others at the time of its beginning. That is the whole point.
                    2. 0
                      28 August 2019 00: 00
                      all are equally vulnerable.

                      Is this easier for us?
                      Adversary can use an external resource, and we?
                2. 0
                  27 August 2019 09: 53
                  [quote = OldMichael] [quote] You do not confuse Iran with Russia [/ quote]
                  “Putai-Putai” is from another opera.
                  I just gave a scalable example.
                  Let's take a simpler example and a smaller scale.
                  You live in a house where good neighborly relations reign, and HOA solves all current and potential problems for one or two. This idyll has attracted the attention of the neighboring Management Company, which spuds three neighborhoods, and has still not reached your home.
                  Question: How long will your HOA last?
                  (In terms of comparison, Iran / Russia: there are 6 employees in the Company, in your HOA - 300+ residents. Are you sure of your unconditional victory?) [/ Quot
                  Sure.
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          27 August 2019 21: 18
          Quote: OldMichael
          Where, how and how to hit so that this system collapses?
          You need to think about it: Our entire system is united and can split into fragments with minimal consequences, unlike the American one. For the United States, about 15 quality hits are enough to keep them on standby generators, and hundreds are not enough for us.
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 23: 52
            for this we have hundreds.

            If…
            Ukhta, Yugorsk, Surgut - and that’s it!
            1. 0
              27 August 2019 23: 56
              PS Has anyone seen in those parts of the air defense / missile defense?
            2. 0
              28 August 2019 07: 28
              Quote: OldMichael
              Ukhta, Yugorsk, Surgut - and that’s it!
              What - and all? Well, the network will fall apart into fragments, and so what?
              Surgut state district power plants will stop working? So what? EEC is one!
              Those. to disconnect consumers in the district you need at least 3 hits (you can study the topic, but rather more).
              If about the pipe, then it is not needed in the global war, and the threads themselves are not one.

              Quote: OldMichael
              Has anyone seen in those parts of the air defense / missile defense?
              If anyone saw, he should keep his mouth shut.
      3. +2
        27 August 2019 00: 46
        either the author of the mushrooms ate too much or CNN often watches at night ..... in short, complete nonsense
        Under such articles, you must write "advertising" right below laughing
      4. +1
        27 August 2019 05: 03
        Why the hell is Europe here? Are the Europeans going to fire cruise missiles? While you're distracted by Europe, Americans will turn Russia into a desert.
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 15: 37
          But is there Europe with horseradish? Do Europeans use cruise missiles? While distracted by Europe, the Americans will turn Russia into the desert.

          and who said that Europe will end ... in this war, pin .. to the oceans will not sit out .... and even idiots die for them is not so much .... labuses and Poles
      5. 0
        28 August 2019 12: 31
        Do you know how many hunters are sitting on the tail of one of our as many as six combat-ready submarines? She, our submarine, in the event of a crisis, will not even have time to utter a word, as it will sink.
    3. +3
      26 August 2019 16: 10
      Now we are waiting for an article about a biogas plant.
      And why "EKUOT". How is the pyrolysis furnace "Euro-5" NES worse?
      1. -1
        26 August 2019 17: 59
        Because who ordered this scribble - they want money.
        And all washed down about "the power. Which does not give them" is so, to attract attention.
      2. +4
        26 August 2019 18: 05
        In fact, the pyrolysis units in the Second World War were installed on machines .... and collected them count on your knee!
        Now in the village they make good heating boilers! Hosh do it yourself (not difficult), buy hosh!
        And about the axes and missiles .... so there will be no one here and there, and there are many more where!
        Those. I have nothing against it, it’s even profitable in the village, BUT ...
    4. +6
      26 August 2019 18: 35
      The more I read such opuses, the more often I am convinced of the power of the classics Ilf and Petrov. But this article is a masterpiece. For some reason I immediately remembered two characters - the mechanic Polesov "in the absence of dies..." and also the pharmacist Prus "Now all the power is in hemoglobin."
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 00: 46
        Our doctrine answers all questions.
    5. +1
      27 August 2019 09: 26
      Firstly, the consequences of the war, they are complex, why the author singled out one energy is very strange. And the author will live where, in a pyrolysis barrel, and what to eat, a pyrolysis liquid?
    6. +2
      27 August 2019 11: 06
      Quote: Nasr
      "... This requires about 100 million rubles, but Lavrov never managed to find them."
      Advertising article?

      "... but there is only a cardboard decoration that will fall from one blow with a boot."
      and what kind of boots are we talking about?

      And this is generally a masterpiece:
      "Hence the conclusion: we have no real preparation for war, we have only talk and imitation ..."

      I also didn’t understand, what for we need 1000 pyrolysis plants for obtaining pyrolysis liquid for its subsequent distillation into gasoline, when you can simply take oil and distill it into gasoline.
    7. 0
      28 August 2019 09: 39
      Quote: Nasr
      Advertising article?

      Most likely yes . With such a development, yes to incineration plants fellow ... here you have the disposal of waste dumps with self-sufficiency and profit and useful product. Yes, on large sea vessels such mounts and in the oceans to dispose of garbage islands - clean the planet. You can find money for such projects and earn money. bully wink .
      And in the conditions of the MODERN war, pulling garbage to the "pyrolysis plant" to refuel the tanks ... This is either drugs ... or a gesture of despair after a liter of "antidepressant". belay
  2. 22+
    26 August 2019 15: 10
    Thus, readiness for war is now not only the presence of production, but also its dispersal and protection from nuclear missile attacks. First of all, the dispersion and security of electricity and fuel production. It is best to have, for example, underground power plants, refineries and petrochemical complexes, underground military plants and so on. Underground objects can also be hit, but it is already much more difficult and with a high consumption of missiles, that is, they will have to tinker with. If underground facilities are also dispersed over vast spaces and have the opportunity to use all kinds of local raw materials, then crushing production is not so easy. You can spend the entire missile arsenal and still many more production facilities will remain intact, whose capacities are enough to repel.


    Preparedness for war should not take hypertrophic forms. Underground power plants, oil refineries, etc. without any war will simply ruin the country in peacetime. The same applies to the dispersal of all these objects over a vast territory. The cost of construction and transportation costs should also be reasonable. Such enterprises are not built on their own, but with the obligatory consideration of numerous objective factors.
    1. 11+
      26 August 2019 15: 26
      I agree.

      The article is alarmist ... And advertising. With all due respect to Lavrov and ECUOT.
    2. +5
      26 August 2019 15: 34
      China has an underground airfield.
      1. +2
        26 August 2019 15: 38
        I'm already tired of apologizing for the Chinese correction of the Russian language, the program produces it in pairs at the time of sending the message. So you need to read their "airfield" in China, not one or two.
        1. +2
          26 August 2019 20: 06
          Quote: Chaldon48
          I'm already tired of apologizing for the Chinese correction of the Russian language, the program produces it in pairs at the time of sending the message. So you need to read their "airfield" in China, not one or two.
          -So what?
          1) the range of aircraft from there, even if they are at the very borders?
          2) the author quite rightly noted that in ANY war will be the first thing to beat Fuels and lubricantsWhat will underground base provide - if all the transportation routes and the industry for its manufacture are destroyed? Well, they will make 10 sorties with the whole crowd and that’s all ...
      2. +1
        27 August 2019 03: 53
        Quote: Chaldon48
        China has an underground airfield.

        We too.
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 10: 08
          Maybe factories, for example, in the Urals?
    3. +4
      26 August 2019 16: 09
      Right. "Cupid" - the Soviet and Russian missile defense system of the city of Moscow is not for everyone, but underground refineries are, of course, cool. Wonder machine, as from f. "Back to the future" flew on beer bottles?) But, why a 40-foot container, the development is not ours? Somehow familiar in meters, shorter in SI.
      1. 0
        26 August 2019 16: 31
        Quote: Cloud Catcher
        But, why is the 40-foot container not our development? Somehow familiar in meters, in short in SI.

        Yes, because the shipping containers that are used in transportation are developed in the West. Classification is also in length. 40-foot - the maximum, which can be put on the chassis of a car or railway car. At least that's what a friend who works with it explained to me.
    4. 0
      26 August 2019 16: 25
      Finns preparing for war with the USSR dig so many underground structures, and lost the war.
      1. +4
        26 August 2019 21: 02
        So they could not win her resources were incomparable
      2. +1
        27 August 2019 10: 15
        The Mageno line was even steeper, but as they used to say in ancient Sparta: "Cities are not protected by walls, but by people." Fortress walls can help to some extent, as happened in Brest, but how little they helped the Germans in Koenigsberg.
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  4. +6
    26 August 2019 15: 20
    I think that if this thing were so necessary, finding a working sample of 100 million rubles is not a problem. Probably it is not in demand in real life ... no matter how sad.
    1. +2
      27 August 2019 02: 25
      Unclaimed it is not from the fact that it is not needed.
    2. 0
      27 August 2019 08: 31
      pyrolysis plants produced by industry are not new. efficiency is different - it depends on the raw material. basically. and yes, as far as I remember, the term of work is not that long. 10 years it will stand and then have to be changed. the price tag of her roofing felts 10 roofing felts 20 million apiece the industry offers. in short industrial-scale self-indulgence. in hard-to-reach areas, you can still think about it, but the question is how to bring raw materials for it to a hard-to-reach area?))) Roughly speaking, where in the "field" for her to take 15 tons of garbage every day?
      1. +2
        27 August 2019 09: 31
        Honestly, I read an article and thought about peaceful life. Now the implementation of the state program for waste management is underway. The plans of hundreds of incinerators. My question is why, if there is technology for processing waste into energy, it will simply be burned?
        1. +1
          27 August 2019 10: 01
          because in order to process this garbage you will need to invest huge amounts of money. for example, a city for 1 million people. a person produces 1 kg of garbage per day. that is, 1000 tons every day. such installations need up to 100 in such a city, even if it costs 10 million. 1 billion at once only on the installation. and we also need sorting, processing lines, equipment for delivery, sales of processed and sorted products, they also cost money and by no means a little. As a result, to process garbage, we need investments of several billion. in our country, either the state (with its flawed liberal policy, not investing in production) or large business can afford such costs, and this is mainly commodity companies. Well, do they need it? it's a lot of money with the right approach, one problem is no approach
          1. +3
            27 August 2019 17: 50
            Vadson! To burn all this, additional fuel is needed, after burning everything goes into the void, and not for processing. Do you understand? We are further ruining the world around us. Such installations make it possible to obtain renewable energy from garbage. If they are brought to mind, developed, then it is quite possible that the efficiency will be much higher. Landfills will disappear. Gases and excess CO2 will stop flying into the air. And mining corporations, monopolies, should be obliged to develop such technologies. The country's resources actually belong to all citizens. Let them at least care about the environment this way
            1. 0
              28 August 2019 08: 25
              Yes, do I argue about this? deep waste recycling is a good thing. nobody wants to invest. tomorrow, urine will strike the government and again the rules in the market will change, and what you invested in an instant will lose, or become unnecessary unprofitable trash
              1. 0
                29 August 2019 00: 48
                Notice! He made a special emphasis on the state program, if possible, so that they would not reverse
      2. 0
        28 August 2019 09: 53
        Quote: vadson
        roughly speaking, where in the "field" for her to take 15 tons of garbage every day?

        In the garbage dumps of the Endless Motherland.
        Just for recycling landfills.
        And no military scams.
        And you can also mount such units on a ship with a supertanker displacement and send them to the disposal of garbage islands in the oceans ... And get a grant from the UN.
        So it will be more reliable to get money for such installations, and not write "terrible" opuses about a "lost war" without a garbage disposal installation.
  5. +2
    26 August 2019 15: 20
    Quote: Nasr

    Advertising article?

    Advertising, definitely!
  6. 0
    26 August 2019 15: 22
    An interesting advertising style .. why ECUOT? And why do not want to buy such a unique installation?
    1. +8
      26 August 2019 15: 44
      And why do not want to buy such a unique installation?
      because similar pyrolysis units are already in every waste processing plant, so this “experimental model” would have to compete with real serial manufacturers on the market. So the only thing left is an attempt to palm off this wunderwaffe on the state at any cost.
      1. -15
        26 August 2019 20: 41
        Just something waste recycling plants in the rashka is not observed, but only all landfills
        1. +5
          26 August 2019 21: 16
          Quote: sh3roman
          в rashke not observedI, and only all landfills

          You, my dear friend from Krezhopelya? Please tell us about the number of "garbage processing plants" in the "singing and blooming Ukraine" do me a favor, my dear Ukrainian !
        2. +1
          26 August 2019 21: 31
          Did you call your homeland a rash?
  7. 11+
    26 August 2019 15: 24
    ECUOT, if this is not just another bluff, it’s a good thing, it can solve many problems, but why should the capitalists ... There won’t be any wars, their local oligarchs or managers will surrender the country at the very first outset to save their income .. Two world wars, these were the wars of coalitions, and Russia which coalition enters and against whom .. Now there are no enemies, only partners ... Against whom to be friends, and most importantly with whom ...
    1. +9
      26 August 2019 15: 43
      Quote: parusnik
      Now there are no enemies, only partners.

      That's for sure. Now it makes no sense to fight with Russia, the population is disappearing in the war with the help of a patriotic leadership, natural resources are already sold. Russia poses no threat to anyone, perhaps only the population .. But not in a hurry .. slowly .. and the patriots will cope with this.
      1. +5
        26 August 2019 16: 05
        Russia poses no threat to anyone
        ... All graters with partners because of the sales market, mainly weapons ... Ukraine, finally knocked out from under Russian influence because of what? God forbid, if two military-industrial complexes are grown together, this would be a competitor in the world market ... But Ukraine has become a sales market itself ...
        Now it makes no sense to fight with Russia
        ..And why should you spend billions in vain ... Displace slowly from the market ... in different ways .. And there you look and by itself everything will resolve ...
        1. +4
          26 August 2019 16: 09
          Quote: parusnik
          now it makes no sense to fight with Russia
          ..And why should you spend billions in vain ... Displace slowly from the market ... in different ways .. And there you look and by itself everything will resolve ...

          It must be admitted that the tactics of the "partners" work effectively .. So everything is gradually absorbed .. In science, education, the population itself .. While we can still compete in weapons. But the "elite" must somehow protect their wealth, so it can be seen even here they are still strong. And more we offer nothing to the world, except natural resources.
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 05: 02
            Quote: Svarog
            And more we do not offer anything to the worldexcept natural resources.

            Yes Even in the field of culture ...
        2. +4
          26 August 2019 16: 57
          Good afternoon, Alex! Well, yes, yes, a lot of things have already resolved. The most offensive ---- factories, industrial giants, equipment from them to other countries has resolved ....... villages, small cities, people in them ---- everything dissolves , just wait a little ....
          Or think about how to speed up the resorption process ..... catalysts, deformation, convection, smart people have described everything in physics textbooks a long time ago.
          1. -5
            26 August 2019 18: 03
            So your American colleagues also dream about this - how to speed it up.
            They are sanctions from the outside, our delusions about the revolution from the inside. The beauty.
      2. +2
        27 August 2019 05: 01
        Quote: Svarog
        Russia is not a threat to anyone, perhaps only the population ..

        good The state structure of Russia poses no threat to anyone, perhaps, only to the population ...
        According to the results of 2018, it can be seen that kvas patriots successfully cope with the problem of pressure of the masses on Russian soil ...
    2. 0
      27 August 2019 02: 46
      War will not be

      Grandmother (the kingdom of heaven to her, she survived three wars) said: "These words would be in the ears of God!"

      Comrade The sailboat, voluntarily or not, designated the Fundamental Hemorrhoid: the General Staff, realizing its mission, based on the predicted / possible threats, plans the actions of the RF Armed Forces and their combat support - taking into account the resource of all state (and not only) structures. And other ministries and departments are demonstrating fierce pacifism: "Mob assignment? No, you haven't heard! And in general, what are you talking about? What kind of war?"
  8. +9
    26 August 2019 15: 28
    Why pyrolysis after an attack by ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads? The whole world will be in pieces and hello stone axe. Or maybe after an exchange of nuclear strikes of all on all, "the earth will fly into the celestial axis" and we, according to the guarantor, will go to heaven, and the vile enemy, to hell in the lard melter.
    1. 11+
      26 August 2019 15: 33
      The public is proposing to replace pyrolysis after a counter-strike with the process of ethanol production.

      And from radiation will help, and burns!
      1. +4
        26 August 2019 15: 36
        I remember in the novel about Chonkin, there just ethanol from manure was received wassat
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          1. +4
            26 August 2019 16: 22
            You have to drink for it good drinks
          2. +2
            26 August 2019 17: 31
            The recipe was wonderful. "For a kilo of sugar, we take a kilo of shit ..."))))
            1. 0
              26 August 2019 22: 56
              Anyone can do it with sugar. But try to get rid of shit without sugar. laughing
  9. 0
    26 August 2019 15: 32
    Quote: NF68
    Such enterprises are not built on their own, but with the obligatory consideration of numerous objective factors.

    The flight time of an intercontinental ballistic missile from the United States to Moscow is about 30 minutes. Is this a strong factor? Or, perhaps, it makes sense to wait for the concentration of the enemy at our borders, so as not to "go broke"? Do you understand that the war will now be different, not like the Great Patriotic War? They will not be allowed to back down until Moscow ... The coming war will be the shortest and most cruel in the history of mankind. And the author is right: what's the use of thousands of tanks and planes if there is nothing to refuel them? And not only tanks ... In winter, how to heat cities? The forest seems to be already a little ...
    1. -4
      26 August 2019 18: 05
      We must also shout about pensions.
      And more about the elections.
  10. +4
    26 August 2019 15: 40
    I already once wrote that the Americans will have enough fifty cruise missiles in order to crush the gas industry in Russia and achieve an economic collapse.
    Not ... The author is not Rezun ... Rezun would not make the following conclusion from this fact:
    Hence the conclusion: we do not have real preparation for war,
    He would write something like this - that’s the conclusion: Russia is preparing for an offensive war to capture all of Europe and America, because in this case there is no need to build underground power plants, etc. etc.
  11. +4
    26 August 2019 15: 41
    If you add another 100-150 missiles to destroy large refineries, disable nuclear power plants and nodes of the power system, then, in general, about 200 missiles will be enough to bring down the entire industry. If part of the cruise missiles is intercepted and shot down, then the attack can be repeated with ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads.

    To prevent this from happening, Comrade Stalin and Beria created a nuclear missile shield.
    The SNF and not the pyrolysis unit have been protecting "the entire industry" and have been protecting them for more than half a century.
    And Comrade Verkhoturov seems to have been on the moon all this time .....
  12. -1
    26 August 2019 15: 48
    Quote: bk316
    Whatever happens, Comrade Stalin and Beria created a nuclear missile shield.

    Around Moscow. Moscow is covered, yes. What about the rest of Russia? Well, our missiles will take off "in response" ... but the rest of the industrial cities of Russia will not get any easier from this ...
    1. +1
      26 August 2019 16: 31
      Yes, they break through the dome of Moscow. It's all good on paper, but in reality? There the Arabs break through the Iron Dome Israeli, so what? Hussites are antediluvian Saudi rockets wet.
    2. 0
      26 August 2019 16: 42
      Around Moscow. Moscow is covered, yes. What about the rest of Russia?

      Change the manual, look where what air defense and missile defense systems are located.
      Another thing is that you can’t cover Moscow from a massive ICBM strike.

      ONLY AN ARTICLE ABOUT A SMALL NUMBER OF TOMAHAWKS. I'm not even saying that they simply won't make it to Siberia, they'll also be shot down 10 times along the way.
  13. 0
    26 August 2019 15: 58
    The article is absolutely correct, the rear economy is needed, but it actually is not.
    1. +2
      26 August 2019 16: 35
      The economy of the rear will appear after it becomes clear where the front will be. In the meantime, it is not clear where the front will be - there is no rear economy either!
    2. +1
      27 August 2019 03: 59
      What the hell is the rear economy in a modern nuclear war? Are you checking the World War II clock?
  14. -2
    26 August 2019 15: 59
    Quote: Alexey 1970
    What for pyrolysis after an attack with ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads?

    So that the surviving military units could provide armed resistance to an aggressor invading the territory of the Russian Federation, for example, China. These neighbors of ours will stab us in the back at the first opportunity. Fuel is the blood of war. Without fuel, our remaining military units will be "drained of blood." How much diesel fuel does the BTR-100 burn per 80 km? And the T-72 tank?
    1. -1
      26 August 2019 16: 12
      Do you seriously think that after the exchange of nuclear strikes so many tanks and armored personnel carriers will remain? And who will be hit by a missile strike then, will the missiles fly to Podkamennaya Tunguska?
  15. +3
    26 August 2019 15: 59
    How tired I am of these armchair experts who claim to be the prophet of all Rus'! You know nothing more than what is written in the newspapers and shown on TV, but you assume the right to draw conclusions about the defense potential of the Russian Federation! Go out into the yard and tell the old ladies there the "state secrets" of Russia, they will appreciate it and maybe even cry with you.
  16. +4
    26 August 2019 16: 02
    After reading the article, the unforgettable "is immediately remembered" and then Ostap (sorry the author) suffered .... The degree of awareness makes an indelible impression
    the author that the country is not ready and is not preparing for a world war and that he has a ready-made recipe for how to win this war ...
    As for the installation itself, it recalls a Chinese adventure with blast furnaces in almost every yard ....
    The only consolation is that, unlike the others, the author, it seems, is not afraid of a world war, which means not all is lost, which means we will survive...
    1. -3
      26 August 2019 16: 30
      The stump is clear that we will resist. The main thing is not to lose to this kind of "advertisers" as an author.
    2. +1
      27 August 2019 02: 23
      When it becomes completely worthless, the country's leadership will look for specialists to save Russia on the VO site. Maybe they will even be awarded ... posthumously ...
    3. +1
      27 August 2019 02: 42
      It seems that the "author" of the opus about saving Russia has a welding machine, several old tanks and a huge, unbearable desire to sell it to at least someone under any pretext...

      Let him pour gasoline and oil from this "home-distilled still" into his car....
  17. +1
    26 August 2019 16: 10
    But maybe there is still a chance?

    Of course have .
    Putin said - we will beat for puppeteers in the first place , regardless of the country / territory, and wherever they are. This is goal number one.
    The fear of puppeteers is the best guarantee against a future war.
  18. +2
    26 August 2019 16: 16
    Let's go the way of Albania!
    You give an underground bunker in every yard!
    There is a rational grain in this idea, but it is not necessary to bring it to the point of absurdity.
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 02: 46
      You give an underground bunker in every yard!


      not just a bunker, but a Bunker with EKUOT....(:
  19. +4
    26 August 2019 16: 16
    it is very powerful and can process up to 15 tons of raw materials per day, for example, household waste.
    That is, you can install it next to the landfill, and ... Personally, I thought about the fluidized bed, but the sewage treatment plant is too cumbersome, and the initial investment is very considerable. But I somehow missed about pyrolysis. Good decision, I admit!
    1. +1
      26 August 2019 20: 10
      Quote: Mikhail3
      That is, you can install it next to the landfill, and ... Personally, I thought about the fluidized bed, but the sewage treatment plant is too cumbersome, and the initial investment is very considerable. But I somehow missed about pyrolysis. Good decision, I admit!
      But the fact that there are analogues in every incinerator is - didn’t you think, don’t you?
      1. -1
        26 August 2019 22: 54
        Which one? laughing
  20. +1
    26 August 2019 16: 18
    The article is correct and the questions are correct! And this "ECUOT" installation is generally a masterpiece. The garbage problem is our common problem. Our government and officials like to sell, but they do not like to create. It's profit to lose! Power needs to be changed, then something will change for good!
    1. -1
      27 August 2019 04: 02
      Quote: steel maker
      The article is correct and the questions are correct! And this "ECUOT" installation is generally a masterpiece. The garbage problem is our common problem. Our government and officials like to sell, but they do not like to create. It's profit to lose! Power needs to be changed, then something will change for good!

      Are we here discussing the state’s readiness for war or a garbage problem?
  21. -3
    26 August 2019 16: 19
    There will be no winners in the world war, everyone understands this, therefore the war itself will not be. This is the first. All the main arms production are located in the Urals, it’s not even easy for the enemy to reach them even with strategic weapons. This is the second. All these movements are Yankees with medium- and shorter-range missiles is just an attempt to revive their industry. We will see what comes of it. This is the third.
    1. 0
      26 August 2019 18: 09
      Well, as in the European part, someone will survive, but in winter! This is, damn it, the fourth. Previously, GO stockpiled stocks, including mobile power plants. Where are they, those stocks ... this is the fifth.
    2. -3
      26 August 2019 22: 53
      Carriers of cruise missiles, such as the strategic bombers B1B and B2 with refueling, are easily reached.
      By the way, not in the Urals, but in the Urals and in the Volga region.
    3. 0
      27 August 2019 02: 17
      The other day, Donald Ivanovich consulted with his specialists about the possibility of the destruction of the tsunami with the help of a nuclear explosion .. Are you hoping for HIS common sense? Power Internet children can be adequate? They won’t be able to take their computer from them to the toilet, but you trust them with such things ..
    4. +2
      27 August 2019 02: 51
      All the main arms production are located beyond the Urals, it’s not so easy for the enemy to reach them even with strategic weapons

      Don't write nonsense, 70% of the defense industry is located before the Urals!!! (Tula, Moscow region, St. Petersburg, Kovrov, Nizhny, Ryazan, Kaluga, Kirov, Ufa, Izhevsk, Votkinsk, Kazan.....)
      1. -3
        27 August 2019 04: 18
        Oh, well, did the Defense Ministry personally tell you this? I have a uranium enrichment plant in the country, and I only found out about it in 80. Another plant, ANKh, still produces rocket fuel components in closed workshops. There is a design bureau in the city itself that even the hard workers themselves don’t know what it produces. But they’re definitely not waffle irons. There are about ten per board in the control bolts of one centipede (microcircuit so we called). And the microcircuit, smokes aside. The block is 2x2x1meter in size. And my city, well very far beyond the Urals. So don't be smart , you may have no idea what is going on under your nose.
  22. AAK
    +2
    26 August 2019 16: 22
    Hoping for the best - you always need to prepare for the worst, but alas ... But the mass of publications of fiction in the genre of post-apocalypse as survival aids in the event of a world nuclear war ...
  23. 3vs
    +3
    26 August 2019 16: 23
    "Despite its compactness (all equipment occupies a volume approximately equal to the volume of a 40-foot container; it can easily be placed in a bunker or underground mine), it is quite powerful and can process up to 15 tons of raw materials per day, such as household waste."
    And where is the introduction of this technology for the processing of household waste from landfills ?!
    Goldmine, it turns out ...
  24. +2
    26 August 2019 16: 24
    Quote: Alexey 1970
    Do you seriously believe that after the exchange of nuclear attacks so many tanks and armored personnel carriers will remain?

    How much is it? And why only tanks ... Trucks won't need fuel? Diesel power plants that power important military consumers? And finally, the navy, army aviation? Not everything will be destroyed by nuclear strikes, the United States simply does not have that many nuclear warheads ... Ballistic missile launch sites; large industrial centers and cities, seaports - these are the priority targets for means of nuclear missile attack. Any motorized rifle regiment on the border with China is unlikely to be bombed; nevertheless the regiment is strength. Let it be local. But without fuel it will be just a "partisan" detachment ...
    1. 0
      26 August 2019 21: 03
      In addition to nuclear, there are conventional missiles that can cover these shelves
  25. +1
    26 August 2019 16: 27
    Bullshit.
    More like an ad installation miracle
  26. +3
    26 August 2019 16: 31
    Quote: Glenni
    The article is absolutely correct, the rear economy is needed, but it actually is not.

    I support. The USSR won the Great Patriotic War not because it had good tanks and planes, and people, to all this. He won because he had As much as needs tanks, planes and people. And in order to have something during the war, you need to worry about it before it begins. Then it will be too late to rush.
    1. -4
      26 August 2019 18: 07
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: Glenni
      The article is absolutely correct, the rear economy is needed, but it actually is not.

      I support. The USSR won the Great Patriotic War not because it had good tanks and planes, and people, to all this. He won because he had As much as needs tanks, planes and people. And in order to have something during the war, you need to worry about it before it begins. Then it will be too late to rush.

      Do you have information about our mob resources? Do you have information about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts? Do you know the capabilities of our defense enterprises in a special period? Sound them out! And if you do not know, then do not whistle!
    2. 0
      27 August 2019 03: 29
      He won because he had as many tanks, planes and people as needed. And in order to have something during the war, you need to worry about it before it begins. Then it will be too late to rush.


      The USSR defeated the weapons that were created and produced during the war !!!
      On June 22.06.41, 12 The USSR had 780 tanks and tankettes in the Western districts ...
      As of October 28, 1941, there were 441 tanks on the Western Front, of which 33 KV-1, 175 T-34, 43 BT, 50 T-26, 113 T-40 and 32 T-60.
      On October 28, 1941, on the Western Front, there were 8,7 times less tanks than there were on June 22 of that year!
      The war was won by tens of thousands of new T-34s produced during the war!
      - On June 22.06.41, 32, the Air Forces of the Red Army and the Red Army had 20 thousand aircraft, of which 8400 thousand were military: 11500 bombers, 100 fighters and XNUMX attack aircraft.
      For comparison:
      34 thousand aircraft were released to the USSR in 1943, 40 thousand in 1944, and only 125 thousand aircraft for the Second World War
      . According to other sources, in 1941-45, 115600 combat aircraft were produced, of which about 20 thousand bombers, 33 thousand attack aircraft and almost 63 thousand fighters.
  27. +4
    26 August 2019 16: 32
    The article is correct. We have boltology and fraud at all levels, and the matter does not go further than this.
  28. 0
    26 August 2019 16: 41
    Quote: ROBIN-SON
    Yes, they break through the dome of Moscow.

    Yes, not about this article. Even after a nuclear missile attack in Russia, someone will survive; some military units, some factories, enterprises, cities ... yes hospitals, at least. And everyone will need fuel. How to ensure its delivery with a destroyed transport infrastructure? Here you also need to understand that before the nuclear ashes settle on the earth, the Chinese, Japanese, Balts will begin to trample our land, "their name is Legion, for there are many of them." In conditions of armed aggression, the fuel issue will be very, very acute ...
    1. 0
      26 August 2019 22: 44
      After an impact, a panic will begin. There is no connection, the electronics are not working. The compass will begin to lie. Then they will start to pile up, look for products, medicines, gasoline. Pyrolysis and fuck will not be needed. Even if they find such an installation, they will not understand what it is for.
    2. -1
      27 August 2019 03: 12
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: ROBIN-SON
      Yes, they break through the dome of Moscow.

      Yes, not about this article. Even after a nuclear missile attack in Russia, someone will survive; some military units, some factories, enterprises, cities ... yes hospitals, at least. And everyone will need fuel. How to ensure its delivery with a destroyed transport infrastructure? Here you also need to understand that before the nuclear ashes settle on the earth, the Chinese, Japanese, Balts will begin to trample our land, "their name is Legion, for there are many of them." In conditions of armed aggression, the fuel issue will be very, very acute ...

      There are good fuel reserves and not only fuel. What is there besides the installation advertisement?
    3. -1
      27 August 2019 04: 24
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: ROBIN-SON
      Yes, they break through the dome of Moscow.

      Yes, not about this article. Even after a nuclear missile attack in Russia, someone will survive; some military units, some factories, enterprises, cities ... yes hospitals, at least. And everyone will need fuel. How to ensure its delivery with a destroyed transport infrastructure? Here you also need to understand that before the nuclear ashes settle on the earth, the Chinese, Japanese, Balts will begin to trample our land, "their name is Legion, for there are many of them." In conditions of armed aggression, the fuel issue will be very, very acute ...

      Yes, there are necessary fuel supplies without your installation, sleep well already and do not pull others.
      1. +3
        27 August 2019 09: 33
        Good heavens ... Stocks, fuel, fuel !! Do you even know a bit about what a modern power plant is? How fragile, vulnerable is the object that works to the limit? How many materials and spare parts does she need to work every day? Just to work in peacetime! Without war and accident!
        I will reveal to you a great secret, which neither our government nor our military command is aware of, as I suddenly see with horror. In case of war and the damage that comes with it, power plants will need spare parts, materials and equipment from all over the country and from abroad. And also the work of teams of top-level professionals (of which there are almost none left in the power industry now. A screen surface welder needs to be trained for 3-5 years, and it is not a fact that he will learn, not everyone is suitable) within a few months.
        In wartime conditions, power engineers will, of course, be provided with transport accessibility to the entire country, and the plants will work. All of them. On fart steam, because the power industry will go down. They will make pipes, pumps, fans, collectors, turbines, and everything else for us. Then they will be delivered, and clones of welders, reinforcement workers, insulators, turbine operators will spend two or three months getting each station up and running (now there are barely enough power repair teams for one station, without disasters).
        These clones will live all this time in snowdrifts (wool will be added to their genetic code) and without food, because cities will die out in the winter without heat and water.
        Can you imagine? People will not survive without heat and water! We need to cook potbelly stoves, but there is no electricity, do you remember? And water is not supplied, nothing! There are no more water taps on the streets, and even the emergency supply of water towers has nothing to give out, and it will freeze! The resource of mobile generators that are in stores, somewhere 3-5 days of continuous operation, and they can not be repaired as such, only a replacement!
        And I just started talking about the problems, you can go on and on. The reaction of the audience is extremely infantile. Like our optimistic officials. Horror...
        1. -1
          27 August 2019 12: 00
          They are children, naturally children.
          You begin to realize all the abysses of our fall.
    4. 0
      27 August 2019 05: 05
      Here you also need to understand that before the nuclear ashes settle on the earth, the Chinese, Japanese, Baltic states begin to trample our land,
      It is precisely at this time that the Balts, Japanese, etc. will appear before their gods, and they will trample only the afterlife wastelands.
  29. 0
    26 August 2019 16: 43
    Russia, of course, is completely unprepared for a world war, moreover, almost nothing is being done for this preparation. This is best considered with one concrete example, which, in my opinion, is one of the most expressive.

    Such a complex and multifaceted issue as preparation for war cannot even be reduced to the problems of one defense industry. And then there’s some kind of attitude ... It’s not her creator who writes despair here?) In this case, he needs strength ...
  30. -2
    26 August 2019 16: 47
    Our guarantee of energy supply after TMV is Russian tanks on the shores of the Persian Gulf, where oil and gas are like dirt bully

    P.S. How long can we explain to the author that the MRNU will be inflicted on the military, production and mobilization (i.e. population) resources of the enemy, and not on a spherical conical horse in a vacuum - energy.
    1. +1
      26 August 2019 18: 13
      In terms of energy, it is much more efficient. What kind of production can there be without energy, could you share? How many people will be left in cities without energy? As for the horse, rummage around in your stable...
  31. -2
    26 August 2019 17: 00
    Quote: bk316
    I’m not saying that they simply won’t reach Siberia, because they’ll also be knocked down 10 times along the way.

    Tell Matias Rust about this. He did not reach Siberia - he flew to Red Square ... And this is a strong fact in favor of the fact that one does not need to be 100% sure of the reliability of any air defense system. Even one Tomahawk that breaks through is capable of knocking out an oil refinery. By the way, why exactly "Tamaghawk" and why exactly one? Can't "fly" anything to us from China? "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever", right?
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 10: 20
      They would like to fly to Siberia, and to Vladivostok, and to Chukotka.
      There is a difference between "target - destroy", "do not shoot at the target", "I do not see the target, but it is there."
      The Soviet air defense missed Rust's flight and could have shot down, but there was no order to shoot down.
      For they shot down one Boeing, so they raised the hi to the whole world, and then it would be "why would such an airplane threaten you?"
      A 100% guarantee of the air defense system will be given by advertising (however, it will give a 300% guarantee)
  32. +1
    26 August 2019 17: 05
    It is not very clear hahah and hihih in the style of some goreninona, but if the installation is so omnivorous, then it is worth producing, at least for recycling garbage, as far as I know now the only way is just stupid burning of waste in the best case with the generation of electricity, which is not at all good, at least due to the low efficiency, and this is not even mentioning the pollution with dioxides with this method ...
    1. +1
      26 August 2019 18: 11
      With nuclear contamination of the area, dioxidant pollution will worry less.
      1. 0
        26 August 2019 18: 19
        "With nuclear contamination of the area, dioxidant contamination will be the least concern."
        I was talking about here and now, and it seems so far without, not only nuclear, but also, thank God, conventional bombings...
        Just about recycling ...
        It seems to be a problem, it’s like a world one, it seems like a tender has been announced for entwining processing, we have in Rosaye, and it’s easy to get complete hfifam around ...
  33. 0
    26 August 2019 17: 13
    Yes, and I hasten to remind you that at the current level of confrontation, there aren’t enough nuclear charges, not only to destroy all life, and even more so to the mythical vigorous winter, but also to destroy the population of the FSA and Russia, no matter how cynical it sounds, but here for the destruction of all energy resources is enough for the eyes, then life and confrontation will continue after the exchange of nuclear strikes ...
    1. -3
      26 August 2019 18: 53
      Quote: Ehanatone
      Yes, and I hasten to remind you that at the current level of confrontation, there aren’t enough nuclear charges, not only to destroy all life, and even more so to the mythical vigorous winter, but also to destroy the population of the FSA and Russia, no matter how cynical it sounds, but here for the destruction of all energy resources is enough for the eyes, then life and confrontation will continue after the exchange of nuclear strikes ...

      Yes you’re an optimist, my friend. What and to whom will you fill in the tanks? Have you calculated the charges? Even those that our experts did not see, but you certainly noticed them. And how did you only succeed ?! And life will continue after that ?? What are you doing here with your brains?
      1. +1
        26 August 2019 19: 26
        "Even those that our experts did not see, but of course you noticed them. And how did you manage to do that ?! And life will continue after that ?? What are you doing here with your brains?"
        Tovasch ....
        I hope
        If you count a little, then less than half of the charges will be enough to destroy civilization, but there is a problem:
        these charges will fall on our heads and fs ...
        But again, Africa, Austria, ... and, and, m. Izrpil, they do not intervene until the last ....
        And what is there left to bomb if other bandustans...
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 03: 17
          Quote: Ehanatone
          "Even those that our experts did not see, but of course you noticed them. And how did you manage to do that ?! And life will continue after that ?? What are you doing here with your brains?"
          Tovasch ....
          I hope
          If you count a little, then less than half of the charges will be enough to destroy civilization, but there is a problem:
          these charges will fall on our heads and fs ...
          But again, Africa, Austria, ... and, and, m. Izrpil, they do not intervene until the last ....
          And what is there left to bomb if other bandustans...

          Well, yes, it’s so ... But if we all take off and buy these units, then we are not afraid of any war! And if we place an order for these installations right now, then we will receive two more installations as a gift !!!! Hurry to make an order right now !!
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 03: 20
            "If we place an order for these installations right now, we will receive two more installations as a gift !!!! Hurry up to place an order right now !!"
            + + + + +
        2. -1
          27 August 2019 04: 06
          Yes, and I hasten to remind you that at the current level of confrontation, there will not be enough nuclear charges, not only to destroy all life, and even more so to the mythical nuclear winter, but also simply to destroy the population of the FSA and Russia
          What are you? !!! Is it true ?? Wake up nice man
          1. +1
            27 August 2019 04: 33
            "What do you mean? !!! Is it true ?? Wake up dear man"
            But I didn’t sleep at all, I’m staying so to speak ...
            Count yourself:
            About 1500 charges on both sides, + 200 laglia, + 400 France, + obscure God-chosen ...
            India, we don’t touch Pakipakistan, they have their own graters ...
            China, well, 400 already to us, the DPRK does not consider ...
            Even if all this flies and evenly spills over the territory of the FSU or Russia, what will happen there, it will be crap: 2 thousand warheads per million square kilometers, let's say 400, we get 000 warhead per 000 square kilometers ..., nothing ...
            This is if you do not count the air defense on both sides, except for your favorite targets, which will have more than a dozen warheads, and not counting the safely sunk submarines, again on both sides ...
            Life will continue, but already without light, communication, and heat, although somewhere it will be very hot, but not for long ...
            Burned 100-200 cities on both sides, very little for the beginning of a vigorous winter, or for the complete destruction of the population of only the main actors, then life and confrontation will continue, and it is advisable to establish industrial production in this period, well, not only with bows and arrows .. .
            Something like this ...
            1. 0
              27 August 2019 10: 05
              Quote: Ehanatone
              "What do you mean? !!! Is it true ?? Wake up dear man"
              But I didn’t sleep at all, I’m staying so to speak ...
              Count yourself:
              About 1500 charges on both sides, + 200 laglia, + 400 France, + obscure God-chosen ...
              India, we don’t touch Pakipakistan, they have their own graters ...
              China, well, 400 already to us, the DPRK does not consider ...
              Even if all this flies and evenly spills over the territory of the FSU or Russia, what will happen there, it will be crap: 2 thousand warheads per million square kilometers, let's say 400, we get 000 warhead per 000 square kilometers ..., nothing ...
              This is if you do not count the air defense on both sides, except for your favorite targets, which will have more than a dozen warheads, and not counting the safely sunk submarines, again on both sides ...
              Life will continue, but already without light, communication, and heat, although somewhere it will be very hot, but not for long ...
              Burned 100-200 cities on both sides, very little for the beginning of a vigorous winter, or for the complete destruction of the population of only the main actors, then life and confrontation will continue, and it is advisable to establish industrial production in this period, well, not only with bows and arrows .. .
              Something like this ...

              This logic can lead to nuclear war. And we still hope for sanity ... It’s good that in real life nothing depends on you
  34. +1
    26 August 2019 17: 31
    The author believes that we will receive 120 cruise missiles, we will pay and surrender. World War 3 will erase from the face of the earth not individual plants and power plants, but entire countries and continents. No one will be lucky for this pyrolysis installation. It will end much faster. I'm afraid that the products of this pyrolysis will no longer be needed.
  35. +2
    26 August 2019 17: 41
    Quote: Ehanatone
    confrontation will continue after the exchange of nuclear strikes ...

    Congratulations, one of the few sensible thoughts here. It's a pity that most of those who wrote here are not able to comprehend it. And in order to resist, you need to have the ability to pour something into the fuel tanks... And I think that those who do not understand this, will still understand, but only through personal experience.
    1. +1
      26 August 2019 19: 29
      "Congratulations, one of the few sane thoughts here. It's a shame most of the unsubscribed here are not able to grasp it."
      Well, this is not my thought, but just a sober calculation, also not mine ...
    2. 0
      27 August 2019 03: 21
      Congratulations, one of the few common thoughts here. It is a pity that most of the unsubscribed here are not able to recognize it. And in order to resist, you must be able to fill something in fuel tanks ... And I think that those who do not understand this will still understand, but only through personal experience.
      Well, there is something to fill in tanks. Stocks created. What else does your experience suggest?
  36. +2
    26 August 2019 18: 07
    I have been reading VO for a long time, I could not stand it, I decided to register to comment on this masterpiece.

    You might think that I’m exaggerating, but how did such a post get on the VO page? Not only that, the advertisement is also a headline. This is not a trifle; the author intentionally defames the country's prestige.

    One post after another and you will not notice how your acquaintances will think differently, do not underestimate the institutions of social psychology, many of them have gone years ahead of the development of the main population of the planet.
    1. +2
      26 August 2019 18: 22
      "One post after another and you will not notice how your acquaintances will think differently, do not underestimate the institutions of social psychology, many of them have gone years ahead of the development of the main population of the planet."
      Not in reproach, honestly I do not understand what you mean!? ...
    2. +2
      26 August 2019 18: 36
      Quote: Rogster
      Not only that, the advertisement is also a headline. This is not a trifle; the author intentionally defames the country's prestige.

      Unfortunately, this has been done here quite often and very subtly in recent years... The old people understand, but what about the youth? hi
    3. 0
      26 August 2019 19: 08
      Quote: Rogster
      I have been reading VO for a long time, I could not stand it, I decided to register to comment on this masterpiece.

      You might think that I’m exaggerating, but how did such a post get on the VO page? Not only that, the advertisement is also a headline. This is not a trifle; the author intentionally defames the country's prestige.

      One post after another and you will not notice how your acquaintances will think differently, do not underestimate the institutions of social psychology, many of them have gone years ahead of the development of the main population of the planet.

      I, too, once so registered. I read the pseudo-specialists and realized that all our troubles are from fools and to them grunting.
  37. -2
    26 August 2019 18: 15
    People, why are we sitting here, who are we waiting for? Everyone get up off the couch and go strengthen the country's defense! Or are we getting ready to discuss the war on the Internet and watch it on TV!
    1. -4
      26 August 2019 18: 28
      Quote: mark2
      People, why are we sitting here, who are we waiting for? Everyone get up off the couch and go strengthen the country's defense! Or are we getting ready to discuss the war on the Internet and watch it on TV!

      This is not a tsar’s business. I’ll pick my finger at the guard, here the specialists lurked about which the Ministry of Defense has long dreamed! It’s just that Shoigu does not know about this site, otherwise we would be Americans without getting up from the couch ...
  38. +3
    26 August 2019 18: 24
    We will lose the war if future generations forget what the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS was in the world! And most importantly, Russian historical spirituality and the willpower to Victory! hi
    Well, at the expense of the article, advertising of course, but there is something to think about ..
  39. 0
    26 August 2019 18: 34
    Quote: 1976AG
    Do you have information about our mob resources? Do you have information about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts? Do you know the capabilities of our defense enterprises in a special period? Sound them out! And if you do not know, then do not whistle!

    Read the article carefully. There is nothing in it "about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts", there is nothing about "the possibility of our defense enterprises in a special period." And I don’t say anything about it, it’s you who fantasized something for yourself ... Think better about what you will fill the tank with your "laiba", if, of course, you stay alive ... The thing is that there is there is such a possibility that gasoline will not be delivered to gas stations after a nuclear missile attack, in general ... But you will have to go. At least in order to escape from the radiation contamination zone. And of course, in this situation, knowledge about "our mob resources", "information about our stocks of ammunition", etc. will be in great demand. etc ... Pardon my sarcasm. Only personally, I will exchange all this knowledge for a full tank of gasoline ... because I have a wife and children. They don't want to go to "Putin's paradise", and neither do I. And I'm not the only one in Russia, Thank God.
    1. -1
      26 August 2019 18: 44
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: 1976AG
      Do you have information about our mob resources? Do you have information about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts? Do you know the capabilities of our defense enterprises in a special period? Sound them out! And if you do not know, then do not whistle!

      Read the article carefully. There is nothing in it "about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts", there is nothing about "the possibility of our defense enterprises in a special period." And I don’t say anything about it, it’s you who fantasized something for yourself ... Think better about what you will fill the tank with your "laiba", if, of course, you stay alive ... The thing is that there is there is such a possibility that gasoline will not be delivered to gas stations after a nuclear missile attack, in general ... But you will have to go. At least in order to escape from the radiation contamination zone. And of course, in this situation, knowledge about "our mob resources", "information about our stocks of ammunition", etc. will be in great demand. etc ... Pardon my sarcasm. Only personally, I will exchange all this knowledge for a full tank of gasoline ... because I have a wife and children. They don't want to go to "Putin's paradise", and neither do I. And I'm not the only one in Russia, Thank God.

      Do you, in your naivety, think that you can go somewhere ??? Yes, you are my friend naive ... That you misunderstood me. There will be nowhere to go further. Drive places ..
    2. +1
      27 August 2019 03: 42
      It contains nothing "about our stocks of ammunition, property, spare parts", nothing about "the possibility of our defense enterprises in a special period."
      And why discussing about the possibilities of the state in a special period, you do not say anything about the most important thing? About the reserves of everything and everything, about the capabilities of enterprises, about everything that determines the state’s readiness for war! You generally ignored it! But then your installation is a panacea for all ills!
  40. +2
    26 August 2019 18: 43
    Quote: Mestny
    We must also shout about pensions.
    And more about the elections.

    And you object. Only on business. We don’t need about pensions and elections, we won’t push people into the sick ... Or will we?
  41. +1
    26 August 2019 18: 50
    Sorry, but what nonsense ... well, by and large ...
    1. -1
      26 August 2019 19: 35
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      Sorry, but what nonsense ... well, by and large ...

      I agree ! Discussion about life after death! I, man, says, I have no right to die, because I have a family! Well, let America defeat .. And then we'll see who is the man and who is not
  42. 0
    26 August 2019 19: 03
    Quote: 1976AG
    There will be nowhere to go further. Drive places ..

    I can not. I have a family, I must ensure their survival. Otherwise, it is worthless to me, as a peasant, and as a person ...
    1. -2
      26 August 2019 19: 31
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: 1976AG
      There will be nowhere to go further. Drive places ..

      I can not. I have a family, I must ensure their survival. Otherwise, it is worthless to me, as a peasant, and as a person ...

      After a nuclear strike you will not provide anything to anyone, humble yourself! Well, if only places in the cemetery ..
      1. -1
        26 August 2019 22: 59
        Still need to crawl to the cemetery. And for this we need an officer of the Russian Chess Federation, but not one. The radiation stains, so you will have to crawl for two days to the cemetery 2 km from you.
        1. +1
          27 August 2019 03: 27
          Quote: ROBIN-SON
          Still need to crawl to the cemetery. And for this we need an officer of the Russian Chess Federation, but not one. The radiation stains, so you will have to crawl for two days to the cemetery 2 km from you.

          So in this regard, you can not bathe. But! The main thing is to buy the installation!
    2. -1
      27 August 2019 11: 18
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Otherwise, it is worthless to me, as a peasant, and as a person ...

      IMHO "otherwise" is superfluous request
  43. +5
    26 August 2019 19: 16
    Quote: Brylevsky
    The fact is that there is such a chance that gasoline at gas stations after a nuclear missile attack will not be delivered ... in general ... But it will be necessary to go. At least in order to break out of the zone of radiation infection.

    That is, having a car you do not have a single drop of "gold reserve"? Well I do not know. The car itself does not, but the neighbors in the garage, if not hundreds of liters, but not one can of gasoline. And if you are going to leave the "infected city" you will have to rely on your own supplies of fuel (as well as food)

    And such an installation. Well, we have a solid waste landfill in the country, in other words, a landfill. Garbage is being recycled. I don’t know which method but it is. And what, for the operation of such a private installation I have to go there for trash? This passage is not entirely clear. Besides, okay. Suppose I loaded this installation with 15 tons of garbage, she gave me, as the author writes, 4,5 tons of pyrolysis liquid (which gives about 800-900 kg of gasoline and the same amount of kerosene during processing, the rest is diesel fuel), about 40% of gas, 6 tons or 9677 cubic meters. There is so much gas that it’s enough to provide fuel for seven gas-piston power plants with a capacity of 200 kW each, and get 33,6 thousand kWh per day. The remaining 30% or 4,5 tons are coal.
    That is, in addition to this pyrolysis unit, I need a unit for the processing of pyrolysis liquid (production of gasoline, kerosene, diesel fuel), plus gas piston units ... Yes, a kind of fantasy. Of course, I exaggerated that for personal use, but who will work in such industries? Especially if the city is subject to evacuation in the case of RNA ??? And won't they "lay their paws" on such a specific production of crime after hitting the city?

    Something, as one of the comrades correctly wrote, resembles the time of the "Great Leap Forward" in China, with a blast furnace in every yard and millions of tons of unnecessary steel (or cast iron)
  44. 0
    26 August 2019 19: 50
    Do not lose the blueprints, it will come in handy during a nuclear winter.
    1. +2
      26 August 2019 20: 15
      All this is strange ...
      I read about this installation for a long time, even before coming to VO, and was very surprised when I found out that Chaika’s son was going to bury Moscow garbage in Shies, having cut down 30 square meters for this. kilometers of the forest there. In the pits, the garbage was going to be lowered in the form of huge rolls wrapped in polyethylene, purchased in Germany. And, it seems, they are already doing it. Supervised by a watchful public. Some wildness! Why not distill the garbage into useful substances using the installation described by the Author? And do it somewhere in the suburbs, and not carry a thousand kilometers. Seagulls are rich, they have money for installation, and not one. Or is it still a deforestation that can be sold profitably? Or in state. investment?
      1. 0
        26 August 2019 21: 05
        How to make money on garbage
      2. +2
        26 August 2019 22: 56
        Seagulls are rich

  45. 0
    26 August 2019 19: 55
    Of course, I am not an expert. But it seems to me that after the devastation of the nuclear arsenal, but these thousands of installations no one will work. And there is no need. The war will end for both sides.
    1. +3
      27 August 2019 03: 29
      Quote: Self
      Of course, I am not an expert. But it seems to me that after the devastation of the nuclear arsenal, but these thousands of installations no one will work. And there is no need. The war will end for both sides.

      Judging by the opinion of the author, life will continue to be in full swing and the demand for fuel will be fantastic!
  46. -3
    26 August 2019 20: 21
    Yes, if we have not lost the war yet, then we are very close to losing. By the simple sign that this goat does not bother to indicate what a 40-foot container means. Is it volume or length? Or maybe the weight? And, in fact, where is it used? Is there and only where he hopes to lose the war?
  47. 0
    26 August 2019 21: 09
    Advertising. Some Russian-English translators advertise, some new torpedoes. Now pyrolysis plants.
  48. +1
    26 August 2019 21: 26
    One of the adequate articles. The raised topic (it's not about pyrolysis) shows real readiness for large-scale BD. You can write a lot, but those who have brains (and access to information about the real situation) understand everything anyway... For example (response to some comments): for one air defense regiment of the Moscow defense ring (in the recent past 18 BG MiG-31), when repelling an air attack, there were 112 TCR, 75 TNW carriers, and a bunch of other evil spirits in the second wave... Draw your own conclusions.
    PS The regiment was dispersed, the machines were handed over to staff the full staff of other parts. Mig -31 are no longer produced. Rearmament to new types is very good. Slow. In addition, it should be borne in mind that in a real large-scale collision of time for the transfer of the economy to wartime, mobilization, etc. will not be.
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 02: 34
      How can I take and tell the adversary the real situation in the defense sector of Russia? The CIA was puffed up looking for Russia's weaknesses, and you just so easily presented a gift to them and consider yourself a Russian patriot ... There is no way for our commander-in-chief to tell you this, and you are here .. like that ...
  49. +2
    26 August 2019 21: 45
    In the Soviet Union, underground cities were built in dozens, they were integrated into the Perimeter system and were completely autonomous. For example, the city of Yamantau, the spare capital of Russia.
  50. -1
    26 August 2019 22: 15
    Guys, what kind of world war can you talk about?
    Everything has already been explained somehow.
    Where do the children of our "elite" study? That's right - the states or London. Where is all our money? right - US Treasuries.
    Stupidly - a message will arrive at hour X, all your children and all your money are with us, hand over power in the country ... Do you think everything in the government is like Joseph Vissarionovich ?!
    They will surrender for a sweet soul ... This is IMHO, but I’m sure that there will be no war, now everything is decided differently, and a military demonstration is stupidly intimidating a layman. What is ours, what is foreign. For an intimidated person is easier to manage and easier to take new taxes from him
  51. +2
    26 August 2019 23: 23
    I disagree with the author about the war being lost even before it began. And allegedly intimidating a potential enemy with cardboard dummies of the latest weapons. Our weapons are in order, they work well. The latest developments are not fiction, and not even prototypes, but serial products, i.e. ready to use. With the personnel of the Armed Forces, everything will be more or less normal if we do not refuse military conscription and do not call Serdyukov back to lead the “little green men” (I apologize for repeating such stupidity). I would also argue about the vulnerability of our economy to a cruise missile attack. There is no 100% security, but who has it? Our potential enemy? NATO and the United States still do not understand what air defense and missile defense are, although they draw beautiful pictures to advertise their weapons. For Arab sheikhs. We, in my opinion, are the only ones who have actually begun to build facility-based air defense and missile defense, and are building it now. Hence such a large number of air defense systems, with different nomenclature. There is nothing to cry about here yet. But it's worth thinking about. An ostrich-like attitude, a peacefulness bordering on cowardice, can really get us into trouble. This already happened in 1941, when we completely gave the initiative to decide whether there would be a war or not into the wrong hands. Everyone knows what happened next. Why on earth have we today committed ourselves not to be the first to use nuclear weapons? And if we need to use it, will we ask permission from progressive humanity? Cowardice is always a gift to the enemy. Therefore, if any of our politicians or military men is afraid or embarrassed to be the first to use the weapons given to them, let them get out of government and military service. Like a professionally unsuitable person. Carrying out service is not shaking your trunk. In the matter of national security, there are no “buts”, “ifs”, i.e. there can be no compromises. And the iron will not let us down if anything happens. It will cope with its task. So don't drift, guys.
  52. +1
    26 August 2019 23: 54
    All this is great, but I have never heard that we are building underground power plants or refineries. Both old objects and new ones are all in the open. Hence the conclusion: unpreparedness for war.

    And in general, where in the world do they build underground production facilities? It is a very expensive pleasure, at least 3-4 times more concrete will be used, operating costs are also higher. With these dungeons, there is no need for any arms race.
    It seems that the author lives somewhere in a vacuum, and nothing exists except EKUOT. Both household and industrial pyrolysis units are produced. But the thing is that pyrolysis units work with a fairly homogeneous raw material. Sawdust requires its own pyrolysis parameters, plastic requires its own, and solid waste is a total mess, there is everything there - plastic, glass, paints and varnishes... and metal, it's just scary to imagine what kind of pyrolysis liquid and coal will be at the output. belay
    1. -1
      27 August 2019 00: 20
      If this is a mining operation, then even less concrete consumption. Most importantly, for a plant costing a couple of billion dollars, the increase in concrete consumption will not be too noticeable, but its resistance to impact will increase noticeably.
      The Germans made the same mistake during the war: they built their synthetic gasoline plants without protection, and then the Americans bombed them.

      Those units that are produced, and those that are made by home-made workers, cannot be compared with EKUOT in terms of manufacturability.
      Don't believe me? Well then, this is an exercise for hand strength. Unscrew three dozen bolts, load the raw materials, tighten them, then unscrew them again (already hot), unload and load them, and tighten them again. This is a typical retort installation.
      I’m only interested in one question: at what cycle will you want to unscrew and tighten this?
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 09: 16
        Quote: wehr
        If this is a mining operation, then even less concrete consumption.

        Have you heard about collapses and flooding in mines?

        Quote: wehr
        Those units that are produced, and those that are made by home-made workers, cannot be compared with EKUOT in terms of manufacturability.

        Blah blah blah. These are just your words, plus an indistinct photograph.
        1. -1
          27 August 2019 12: 08
          Give me an example of a concrete lining collapse. You, with your ambition, it seems. I don’t know that there are different ways to secure workings.

          Whoever needs it will write to me in a personal message.
          Why do you need it? So that you can trample on them and have fun? With an accompanying demonstration of his wild ignorance.
          It has two main advantages: mechanized loading and unloading and rational heating of the device. The one who understands is enough.
          1. 0
            27 August 2019 14: 37
            Quote: wehr
            Give me an example of a concrete lining collapse. You, with your ambition, it seems. I don’t know that there are different ways to secure workings.

            Underground construction is not mining. Are you seriously reading that the drifts are concreted?
            Quote: wehr
            It has two main advantages: mechanized loading and unloading and rational heating of the device. The one who understands is enough.

            Again words. In industrial installations loading and unloading is also mechanized, but do-it-yourselfers do not need it, due to the small load, or did you mean do-it-yourselfers like Lavrov. And what does "rational heating of the device" mean? Rational relative to what?
            1. 0
              27 August 2019 15: 08
              In underground construction, the drifts are secured with a concrete lining. I wrote a book about the underground factories of the Third Reich, and I know better than you how they were built and why.

              That is, you simply don’t know what you’re talking about. But you really want to pretend to be a specialist. laughing They screwed up over nothing.
              1. 0
                28 August 2019 00: 11
                Quote: wehr
                In underground construction, the drifts are secured with a concrete lining. I wrote a book about the underground factories of the Third Reich, and I know better than you how they were built and why.

                The drifts are concreted during construction, but not during mining.
                Since you are well acquainted with underground construction in the Third Reich, perhaps you could explain why the Germans, who built such underground factories as Seegrotte, Mittelwerk, extensive bunker systems such as Werwolf, Wolfsschanze and the unfinished Reise... did not hide fuel production factories underground?

                Quote: wehr
                That is, you simply do not know what you are talking about. But you really want to pretend to be an expert. You screwed up on a trifle.

                I may be wrong somewhere in the details, but I am not talking such blatant nonsense.
                You should read - Lavrov is the only designer in the whole country with a technically advanced pyrolysis installation, and all other installations are junk ..... and their loading and unloading is manual, and their heating is irrational, and that’s not the case with them and this .... .and in general it is the only one in the country.
                1. -1
                  28 August 2019 01: 09
                  Synthetic fuel plants were mostly built before the war, and a program to build underground plants began in 1943. The Germans had a number of underground projects for oil refineries, mostly small ones, but they did not have time to complete these projects.

                  Mistakes in small things are often fatal. You can call them bullshit, but it's the little things that get people killed.
                  For example, the Chinese sell installations with a large hatch at the end of the device. Due to the inevitable uneven heating, the hatch begins to bend, move away from the seals, and gas rushes through the gap. Natural gas attack. The gas is also hot, it can puff and you will get a flamethrower. There could be a serious fire. This is a design defect, and it can only be corrected by reworking the entire device.
                  I have also seen devices using direct gear transmission. When heated, the device can easily jam between the drive gears.
                  All these potentially dangerous little things need to be eliminated. Lavrov spent several years on this, so he has the most technically advanced one.
  53. +2
    27 August 2019 00: 37
    Okay, let's leave 50 winged missiles behind the scenes, can we give the studio the technical specifications of the installation? We will calculate the energy balance and operating costs ourselves. Or did he drive you away?) No, I’m really interested - what if it’s true that this is a Klondike under the fifth point, and the men don’t even know)
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  55. 0
    27 August 2019 01: 04
    Aren't you tired of whining?
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 02: 38
      Quote: Areg Babadjanyan
      Aren't you tired of whining?

      They presented themselves as giants of thought
  56. 0
    27 August 2019 01: 35
    Quote: olegactor
    This is if the order will be but who will write about their property and place of residence of the children?

    do you want to tell Lavrov and Peskov in advance they will inform about the attack ... so that they can emigrate .... do you really believe in it drinks

    And who said that under the current leadership of the Russian Federation they are going to attack it? "Formidable" statements and preparations of the West? They only work for his image, nothing more. No one will tell anyone anything in advance - simply because ... they (both on the other side and on this side) already live a very comfortable life, well, they will “remove” maybe those who are especially zealous... . No, of course they can fire (as in Yugoslavia), and what ended up there? The leadership of Yugoslavia declared general mobilization and the Patriotic War - is the Yugoslav homeland in danger?! But no! They surrendered the country. How do you think it will be for us...? Foreign accounts, real estate, children studying there - how about that? winked
  57. kig
    +1
    27 August 2019 02: 52
    If all factories and nuclear power plants are built underground, then there is no need for war - without it, collapse will come, because the economy will come to a standstill due to exorbitant costs.
  58. 0
    27 August 2019 03: 51
    Well, you have to think of this in order to declare on the basis of a lack of interest in this installation (who said that there are no such installations?) that the state is doing nothing in practical terms to prepare for war!!! It seems like the author is a Jewish businessman.
  59. -1
    27 August 2019 04: 31
    Trans national business uses the gained practical experience in using scientific achievements and opposes it in all countries at the state level. With a bit of satire, we can say that the bigwigs from TNCs view members of state government apparatuses as trained animals in a circus or, in general, a type of puppet theater. The question is about the independence of the intelligence services, but there is no reason to trust Putin, Naryshkin and Chemezov, so that not only the Rothschilds but also the Soros feel safe.
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  61. 0
    27 August 2019 05: 06
    A thousand installations will produce 135 thousand tons of petroleum raw materials per month, the same amount of coal and 1 billion kWh of electricity.

    Author! Now, without a third world war, in Khakassia they are “finishing off” Konovalov with debts for electricity - send him these materials!
  62. 0
    27 August 2019 05: 24
    And the worst thing is that constant unpreparedness for war is traditional for tsarist Russia, and for communist Russia, and for modern liberal-bourgeois Russia.(
  63. +1
    27 August 2019 05: 49
    Firstly, shameless and not very disguised advertising.
    Secondly, World War III has already been lost by Russia, the USA and Europe. If it happens, all of the above will suffer unacceptable losses in both people and material. Therefore, it will not happen. I hope.
    The only ones who did not lose the war were the Islamists and China.
    It is customary for Arab Muslims to take so much punishment that anyone else, including such crazy ones as Nazi Germany and imperialist Japan, would have capitulated unconditionally long ago. The enemy stops simply because there are no more purely military targets that could be demonstratively destroyed, and targets like "headquarters in the basement of a hospital" or "the leader's hut in a high-rise building" stink of war crimes, especially in the eyes of the world democratic community. After that, the remnants of these badly beaten crawl out of their holes and declare victory, because they are "not broken" and "will continue to resist the infidel aggressor." Moreover, the enemy agrees that if the goals of the war (the destruction or capitulation of the enemy) are not achieved, the war is lost. Examples: the USSR in Afghanistan in the 1980s, the Russian Federation in the First Chechen War, the USA in Afghanistan now, and especially Israel in Lebanon and Gaza.
    For America, Europe, Russia, losing 50 million people with their cities is an unacceptable loss, after which they will not necessarily even survive as an ethnic or political community. For China, losing 250 million is painful, but not fatal, and destroying a billion Chinese (out of roughly two available) without rendering the entire planet uninhabitable is hardly possible, which they will gladly take advantage of. India will not be able to do this, although it has about the same population, but when it comes to nuclear bombs, they will quickly remember who belongs to what nationality and caste, and will begin to re-divide the remains of India. And in China, even on the outskirts, the overwhelming majority are Han. Although, I would like to hope that the Chinese will not start first, because then they will find themselves alone against everyone, and in this case they can be crushed without a global nuclear catastrophe. They will simply clamp down on food and energy supplies, and by the middle of the coming winter the Chinese will begin to die of hunger and cold.
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  66. 0
    27 August 2019 08: 51
    I don't think so. Another mischief! .. Advertising and not an article!
  67. +3
    27 August 2019 08: 58
    Everything is correct. It is not for nothing that it is said: “If you want peace, prepare for war.” But there won't be any war. Everything is conveyed in quiet sadness just like that, without any missiles. Who owns Rosneft, Gazprom, Sberbank?
    Gazprom, Rosneft and Sberbank belong to our country only partially. Gazprom – 50,0075%, Rosneft – 50% + 1 share, Sberbank – 50% + 1 share.
    25,2% of Gazprom shares are de facto controlled by The Bank Of New York Mellon. The American side has a blocking stake in the “national treasure” and can potentially veto decisions of the Gazprom Board of Directors. Another 24,57% is owned by certain private individuals, individuals and legal entities.
    9,75% of Rosneft is owned by British BP, another 18,93% was sold to a Qatari investment house. About 10% is owned by a variety of individuals and legal entities.
    45,64% of the shares of the supposedly state-owned bank No. 1 belong to foreign companies and citizens. German Gref combines chairmanship of Sberbank with work as a board member at JP Morgan Chase.
    It is clear that our officials do not want to stop at the 50% + 1 share limit. They need a complete sell-off of domestic assets, a kind of reincarnation of the 90s, when Chubais sold off the defense industry for 3% of the nominal value.
    By Yeltsin's decree, more than 260 defense enterprises were sold for pennies. In 1995, shares of the following companies were included in collateral auctions: Surgutneftegaz, Norilsk Nickel, Novolipetsk Metallurgical Plant, Yukos, Sibneft and others.
    Something like this. And if you take into account where the children and money of those in power are, then questions no longer arise.
  68. 0
    27 August 2019 09: 37
    Quote: assault
    The USSR defeated the weapons that were created and produced during the war !!!

    Yes, but plans for the evacuation of enterprises beyond the Urals were developed to war. Just like the youth education system in the FZO...Accordingly, it was where evacuate, and there was a labor army to work qualifiedly at these enterprises. How long does it take to train a lathe operator and miller? In vocational schools they used to teach this for 3 years...
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 11: 56
      The FZO trained personnel for the plant to which it was attached, and no one needs the FZO in the taiga. Those who went to the evacuation worked at the evacuated factories, new workers were trained directly on the job, the institution of apprenticeship has always existed. You can quickly teach up to the 2nd-3rd category level, especially in wartime conditions.
  69. BAI
    0
    27 August 2019 09: 38
    1.
    I already once wrote that the Americans will have enough fifty cruise missiles in order to crush the gas industry in Russia and achieve an economic collapse.

    I’ll tell the author one very smart thing, just don’t be offended. Maybe this will be a discovery for him, but the gas transportation infrastructure of the Russian Federation was laid in Soviet times, when there were already nuclear weapons and missiles. And all critical industry was built taking into account the ability to work in wartime, which, by the way, significantly increased the cost of all projects.
    2.
    The Americans can, having spent five cruise missiles, worth about 4 million dollars, turn this plant into a bonfire.

    To begin with, you need nothing at all - to break through the Moscow missile defense system.
  70. -1
    27 August 2019 09: 54
    Quote: 1976AG
    Yes, there are necessary fuel supplies without your installation, sleep well already and do not pull others.

    I'm not pushing anyone. And don't worry about it yourself. Otherwise, they are already tense, like electricity, they can light a cigarette from you... Without you, everyone knows that there are certain reserves of everything in Russia. But why did you decide that you personally would get something from those reserves? And then, stocks are just stocks. Supplies are running low. But the need for fuel will remain, especially in winter. We need to think about reproducing reserves, otherwise we will again live in caves with a torch and calculate the calendar “on our fingers.”
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 10: 17
      But why did you decide that you personally would get something from those reserves?
      Finally, everything has fallen into place, you are just trying to solve your own selfish problems, but are passing it off as caring for the state! But I didn’t strain myself at all; there would have been something for it. Your horror stories have no effect on me.
  71. +2
    27 August 2019 09: 59
    Putin's war cartoons will scare any adversary! laughing lol
  72. -1
    27 August 2019 10: 06
    Quote: 1976AG
    Well, there is something to fill in tanks. Stocks created. What else does your experience suggest?

    Why do you need it? You gathered at the cemetery, and you also invited me to follow you... So go where others were sent. I have another plans. I won’t be ashamed to look my children in the eyes when they ask me: “Dad, what are you doing? yesterday did so that we could have today?"
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 10: 18
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: 1976AG
      Well, there is something to fill in tanks. Stocks created. What else does your experience suggest?

      Why do you need it? You gathered at the cemetery, and you also invited me to follow you... So go where others were sent. I have another plans. I won’t be ashamed to look my children in the eyes when they ask me: “Dad, what are you doing? yesterday did so that we could have today?"

      You won't do anything. Do not flatter yourself.
  73. +1
    27 August 2019 10: 15
    "Analytics" at the psaki level)
    1. +1
      27 August 2019 10: 25
      Quote: Forest
      "Analytics" at the psaki level)

      Just an advertisement for a product) You need to make money on the suckers. Soon advertising of canned food will begin, you need to eat something after a nuclear war)
  74. -2
    27 August 2019 10: 21
    Well, the author wanted to advertise this installation, what does the world war have to do with it? Who will launch 100 cruise missiles, complete nonsense!
  75. 0
    27 August 2019 10: 48
    Russia is not ready for a world war (or, as noted earlier, “ready but only for an offensive war”), because 50 to 200 missiles are enough (+ about 200 more, but with nuclear weapons), and Russia lost. There is no fuel, no electricity, the movie is over....
    Are NATO and the USA ready for a new World War?
    Is their electrical power system reliably protected from attacks by saboteurs and missile strikes?
    Don't they have power plants that won't become targets for missiles?
    Do they have enough installations (analogues of ECOUT) to easily survive the crisis (if so, why do they continue to buy Russian gas)?
    1. +2
      27 August 2019 16: 21
      Those who will give the order to attack (hypothetically, because I don't believe in their stupidity, they hold the whole planet by the throat) are ready for everything. But... the USA is not a state - a platform for a printing press of cut paper. And they will sacrifice all these Clintons, congressmen, managers in a jiffy, but they will not risk their own skin and power over the world. Why on earth? The goal has already been achieved, global capitalism has been established. You can eat "your neighbor" as you please. The fact that the Russian and Chinese aligarchs are resisting and getting into a fighting stance is for the time being. The critical mass of children in the Unified State Exam will soon surpass the fragments of the Union and that's it. The pseudo-national patriots and profiteers will be replaced by outright "macaroni". These titular nations will be completely destroyed, so that they don't get in the way and don't interfere with development. I don't know how it will be in the Celestial Empire, but we have no other scenario. Unless Soviet power is restored.
  76. +1
    27 August 2019 10: 57
    Quote: 1976AG
    Finally, everything has fallen into place, you are just trying to solve your own selfish problems, but are passing it off as caring for the state!

    That’s right - in the event of a nuclear missile attack on the Russian Federation, I will decide my “selfish interests”, please understand me correctly... I have no desire to fight for Vova Putin and his homies with chicks - they already lived well all these years, at my expense, among other things. And you want me to sacrifice my life for them? No, excuse me...I have someone to live for and someone to die for. And you, please: die for “General” Shoigu, for Usmanov’s billions, and so on, so on...don’t you feel disgusted? Judging by the numbers in your nickname, you are already a mature person. Our Motherland - the USSR - no longer exists. Nobody needs us in Russia; for the authorities, ordinary citizens of our country are the “electorate”. So why should I protect them? So that they sell Russian timber to China; oil and gas - to Europe; and they extended the retirement age to 100 for all of us and gave us three sixes on our foreheads? This power and this “state” will end with the first nuclear “mushroom”, that’s where it goes.
    1. +1
      27 August 2019 11: 27
      That’s right - in the event of a nuclear missile strike on the Russian Federation, I will decide my “selfish interests”,
      Well, buy this installation instead of gasoline, but why inflate a personal topic to the scale of the state’s readiness for war? Made a mountain out of a mountain.
  77. 0
    27 August 2019 11: 19
    Brilliant, us author for counts.
    Stats where, how many such near-oil plants are there in the USA, how many oil refineries do they have buried in rocks, etc., etc.
  78. 0
    27 August 2019 11: 28
    What nonsense!!!
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 11: 37
      And in response to the attack on the Russian Federation on gas networks, nuclear power plants and other things, will the Russian Federation remain silent? There will NOT be a retaliatory strike, the fear of which is the best defense? The author burns as always, the most vicious nonsense. It is not clear why the editors publish materials of such quality. In my opinion, this is a direct discredit to the site.
  79. +2
    27 August 2019 11: 49
    Not an article, but an advertisement for a pyrolysis plant. No more and no less. It is necessary not to fence in handicrafts, but to put air defense on duty and maintain combat readiness. Then there will be something to fight with. And if you rely on an installation hidden in the basement, then sooner or later it will also be destroyed.
    And war is not a one-sided game, American and European refineries are also not hidden underground, they can burn just as well from calibers and Iskanders.
  80. 0
    27 August 2019 12: 03
    Somewhere, one author suggested burning the enemy’s corpses in this furnace (they say, why should good things go to waste, and we’ll save on funeral expenses). So he colorfully calculated how much gasoline, diesel fuel and kerosene would be produced, as well as fuel and soap, not to mention coal with fertilizers in addition
  81. +1
    27 August 2019 12: 04
    Quote: 1976AG
    Well, buy this installation instead of gasoline

    Why? I don't have my own industrial production; I don't have any serious consumers of fuel and lubricants either. Such installations will be needed by enterprises and the armed forces when fuel reserves run out. Will we have to fight, or what? Repair of military equipment requires fuel and energy costs, after all... I'm reasoning from this position. And in general: modern war is a very fuel-intensive event. "War of motors"...
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 12: 48
      There are fuel reserves for equipment and enterprises.
  82. +1
    27 August 2019 12: 09
    Quote: ZAV69
    You can quickly teach up to the 2nd-3rd category level, especially in wartime conditions.

    So, if there is a war tomorrow, then all our military-industrial complex enterprises will be provided with qualified labor? Who will fight? Workers, in fact, will be drafted into the army. Who will take the place of those who have left?
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 12: 51
      Quote: Brylevsky
      Quote: ZAV69
      You can quickly teach up to the 2nd-3rd category level, especially in wartime conditions.

      So, if there is a war tomorrow, then all our military-industrial complex enterprises will be provided with qualified labor? Who will fight? Workers, in fact, will be drafted into the army. Who will take the place of those who have left?

      Even during the Second World War, not all workers were taken to the front, remember about reservations? It's the same system now. Another thing is whether there are reserves of workers to increase production during a special period for surviving enterprises.
    2. +1
      27 August 2019 13: 20
      Workers with 5-6 grades will be called up last. There is and was a reservation. And if it comes to calling up highly qualified specialists, then we will no longer have enterprises, just like the enemy. In general, I wrote about the Second World War. Then strategic aviation could not do anything with military factories at the initial stage of the war. What will happen now..... A big question
      1. 0
        27 August 2019 20: 57
        Some harmful otherworldly voice tells me that the jobs of 5th and 6th grade workers will immediately be taken over by a gang of criminals, and the workers themselves will be sent as marching battalions into the very hell under the guns of the National Guard...
  83. 0
    27 August 2019 12: 34
    Quote: olegactor
    The same is true for the electric power industry.
    Where, how and how to hit so that this system collapses


    in the event of a war, nobody will think about gas supplies somewhere and no one will .... but nuclear plants in France, for example, are even closer to each other than in Russia ...

    I don't think there will be a blow from anyone, it's from France
  84. 0
    27 August 2019 13: 23
    Quote: 1976AG
    Another thing is whether there are reserves of workers to increase production during a special period for surviving enterprises.

    That's exactly what I mean. I remember about the “reservation”.
  85. 0
    27 August 2019 13: 25
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    I don't think there will be a blow from anyone, it's from France

    Actually, France is a NATO member, so they will climb in the forefront, and they will get the answer right away.

    Although most likely NATO will not come to us, various riffraff from the former republics of the union with old Soviet weapons and rabble from ISIS and similar structures will come along the entire border line.
  86. -2
    27 August 2019 15: 13
    Everyone who shouted “Advertising” here in the comments, do you understand that by doing so they showed their enemy nature? laughing
    The article is about military-economic preparations for war, and by trying to describe it as advertising, you, in fact, advocate the disruption of this very preparation.
    1. +1
      27 August 2019 15: 27
      In the article 75% of the volume we are colorfully described that there is such a miracle installation, what to eat it with, and how bad it is that we have only one and even then, it appears in the warehouse. So what, this is not advertising? And what is it in your opinion? The rest of the lamentations that the entire fuel infrastructure is in plain sight is a story about how the enemy will destroy it to pieces.
      1. -1
        27 August 2019 15: 38
        You work smartly, you excluded the most important thing - calculating how many such installations are needed for the military-economic reserve and what exactly they can provide.
        Petition for a salary increase? laughing
        1. 0
          27 August 2019 17: 46
          Please ask for help, I won't refuse. A similar installation, by the way, worked in the Podmoskovnaya mine in the 80s. There is now a stub of a shaft sticking out of the ground, the copper hunters have already dug up half of the waste heap.
  87. 0
    27 August 2019 16: 29
    And no one is going to fight. I surrender voluntarily :)))
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 21: 19
      If you don't want to, they'll make you. No need to be naive. But if you go through the meat grinder alive and manage to surrender, then you'll most likely be "disposed of" on the other side of the front. Just like "Bumbarash"!))) It's good to learn from other people's mistakes. It's better to take down real enemies, fighting in a well-coordinated military team, using modern weapons. Than trying to protect your family from a frostbitten gang of marauders, swinging a chair leg... Batka's army is waiting for you, my dear.
      1. 0
        28 August 2019 10: 43
        We old people will be given three-rulers. And even then one for three. History repeats itself. Forget about modern weapons!
  88. 0
    27 August 2019 21: 17
    Ahaha the author made me laugh)))) what kind of production and world war are there, the third world war will last from several minutes to several hours, and that’s it, nothing will happen.)) what Russia got from the union is still enough for the third world war (poison and biological weapons, and the rest, in principle, will not particularly affect the course of events). I think this article was written for fun and heated comments))
    1. 0
      27 August 2019 21: 54
      Still more fun. It is enough to detonate 3 nuclear charges with a power of 50 kT in low orbit, each above the center of the continent. Damage from EMP to communication systems, microprocessors and other electronics will lead to the fact that in a year up to 80% of the population of these continents will go to another world. With such labor and deception, the infrastructure of electronic control of the planet built will be covered with a copper basin. Realizing this, Trump in the spring of 2019 issued a decree on taking measures to protect against EMP. That is why we are so afraid of North Korea. Their leader puts you-know-what on the world government.
  89. 0
    27 August 2019 23: 35
    Quote: Captain Nemo
    jobs for 5th-6th grade workers will instantly be taken over by thieves

    This is clearly not the case. No matter how super criminal he is, he will not be able to do 5-6 category work if he himself does not have a 5-6 category. No one in their right mind would put him on a 5-6 category operation; they would find any sinecure, come up with any position, but they wouldn’t put him on such an operation. Because if the war has reached the point where they began to call up workers from the defense industry, then the plant already has a military representative, there is a regime and counterintelligence department, and these comrades will study any failure in production under a microscope, the culprit will be immediately found and he will be lucky if he he will simply go as a marching company to the front, and not be shot right there in the factory yard.
    1. 0
      28 August 2019 08: 19
      In the Russian Federation it is not only possible, but most likely it will happen. The historical precedent is known - World War 1, the quality of weapons dropped sharply due to the fact that thieves were massively employed at the factories.
      1. 0
        28 August 2019 08: 56
        During the First World War, the criminals were given jobs because the workers were not subject to mobilization. The army was essentially a peasant army. And the quality fell due to direct sabotage by the factory owners. But during the Great Patriotic War, the factory had a military representative, the NKVD, and Kolyma camps for the negligent.
        If during the First World War society rotted, a revolution happened and Russia was thrown out of the victors. And in the second everything worked like clockwork and everyone knows the result. Now, if a war happens, the experience of which war should be used?
  90. 0
    28 August 2019 05: 52
    The author proposes, as a means of salvation from the deindustrializing attack of adversaries, to use pyrolysis to create heat from garbage. I wonder where the garbage will come from if there is no industry?
    1. 0
      28 August 2019 08: 36
      So author already in one of his articles he wrote in detail about the processing of enemy corpses. From this it becomes clear where he intends to get raw materials for pyrolysis in Russian cities destroyed by WMD... Only one thing author he can't understand - Russians don't accept this for moral reasons. He is not given to understand this due to natural circumstances.
  91. 0
    28 August 2019 06: 08
    The author seems to have an autumn exacerbation, a little early, of course, but not fatal. And the fact that the moderator misses this is not okay. You need to demand a certificate from such writers and then publish it.
  92. 0
    28 August 2019 12: 15
    In that case, the states will need 3 plumbers. Uncle Vasya will disable the Los Angeles aqueduct, Uncle Slava will tear down the dam above Houston, Uncle Vova will do something with the New York sewage treatment plant.
    I hope all American plumbers with Russian surnames have ranks of at least major.
  93. 0
    28 August 2019 14: 13
    I have a patent for a similar toy dating back to 93 somewhere in the archives at home)

    The main problem of pyrolysis is that the “pyrolysis liquid”, depending on the raw material, is alcohols, resins and fluorine/chlorine containing compounds (plastics, paints). But there is no gasoline or kerosene.

    To process all this into motor fuel, a more complex cycle than a refinery is needed.


    It is much more efficient to decompose all this into synthesis gas and obtain synthetics from it using known methods. But this, again, will be a completely different advertising system.
    1. -1
      28 August 2019 17: 38
      Another pseudo-specialist.
      How the earth carries you around with such broken brains.
  94. 0
    28 August 2019 14: 17
    God! What a headline, the yellow press is crying
  95. 0
    28 August 2019 17: 24
    The author is delusional, there is no need to even answer on the merits. 100 missiles will be enough for the Americans, and we, like the Papuans, will sit and watch the bombing. Ugh, this is disgusting to read.
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  96. 0
    29 August 2019 20: 06
    Okay, no questions for the author - everyone has their own cockroaches in their heads.
    But who gave this crap the green light for publication?
  97. 0
    1 October 2019 12: 58
    If, according to the author, 50 missiles will destroy the Russian gas industry, then what will they (Americans) do they fidget so much when they learn the characteristics of our air defense? The author probably doesn't remember who shot down NATO missiles in Syria last year and with what? How many of them actually reached their target or did they even reach their target?
    Or does the author really think that if these 50 missiles do reach their destination, which I seriously doubt, that we (Russia) will silently watch all of this?
    Sorry, dear author, but your article is for 3rd grade students.
    And lastly, I am sure that Americans (they are the ones who mainly pour all the evil towards us) they have already calculated everything. Remember how Efim Shifrin said: "if we go nuts, they will respond like this". That's why I am 100% sure that you won't take risks. They will bark at us for a long time and always, but they will never bring it to action. They can only offend the weak, and Russia is not weak at all. That's why the backlash from our side could cost them very dearly.