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F-35 pilot helmet cheaper only on paper

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In the US, they said they were able to reduce the cost of the helmet of the pilot of the 5 generation F-35 fighter. If immediately after development the cost of a flight helmet was about 700 thousand dollars, but now, as stated, it has become "significantly less" - below 400 thousand dollars. For a second, it's about 26,2 million rubles!


F-35 pilot helmet cheaper only on paper


The helmet is adapted for outputting information to an active liquid crystal visualization matrix. What specific information are we talking about?

And we are talking about visualizing data from cameras and parametric sensors on-board systems, including an arms control system. The helmet also uses integrated night vision cameras and a pilot recognition system. It is argued that the latter is able to significantly reduce the risks that arise in the event of a deterioration in the health of the pilot during the flight. American manufacturers began to modernize this system due to the fact that several cases of loss of consciousness by pilots during failures of the air supply complex were detected. Whether the problem with this complex itself has been resolved is not reported.

What technology is used in the helmet in the pilot’s health control system? In fact, the same one that was used in the USA earlier with some refinement. The system monitors the time during which the pilot's eyes remain closed (for example, when blinking). If the time is higher than the control, then the warning system is triggered, including the notification of the pilot himself.

It has been announced that the “cheapened” and updated helmet of the F-35 pilot has already been tested in flight units of the US Air Force and other countries. At the same time, as with the first versions of helmets, an individual adjustment was made for the pilot.

However, as the United States found out, with a cheaper helmet, in fact, "not everything is clear." Manufacturers are actually silent about the fact that when reducing the price of a helmet, the price of updates that are constantly required for both the flight helmet software and the F-35 on-board systems with which it is integrated is not taken into account. With any on-board software updates, there is a need to update the pilot helmet software. As a result, the cheapening of the helmet occurs only "on paper".

In Norway, F-35 manufacturers were previously criticized in a mild form for not having time to deliver these fighters to the Norwegian Air Force, as it turned out that the on-board equipment package was already “necessary to update” and, accordingly, again paid money for it.

So in the 2015 year the “fitting” of the helmet looked like the pilot of the Norwegian Air Force F-35:
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  1. tol100v
    tol100v 24 August 2019 18: 35
    +4
    The cost of the MiG-29 in the nineties!
  2. Pevek
    Pevek 24 August 2019 18: 45
    +3
    And if you drop the helmet .. everything, that pilot .. what
  3. bmv04636
    bmv04636 24 August 2019 18: 47
    -5
    who would doubt a penguin, now it’s clear why even in the SGA only 30% of penguins are ready
  4. knn54
    knn54 24 August 2019 18: 51
    -2
    - At the same time, as with the first versions of helmets, an individual adjustment was made for the pilot.
    In these helmets they will apparently be buried if they run into one.
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 24 August 2019 20: 26
      +16
      At the same time, as with the first versions of helmets, an individual adjustment was made for the pilot.

      I didn’t give you a minus (if that).
      But individual flight equipment with an individual fit (whether it be an oxygen mask, an anti-overload or a high-altitude-compensating suit), is integral and taken for granted.
      I will tell you more than that, if our helmets ZSh-7 and the new ZSh-10 have 3 basic sizes (4th only on paper), then the Israelis generally are not individually lazy to make polyurethane foam molding for each pilot, which is then inserted into a standard helmet. And I want to tell you, an individual helmet sits on your head like a molten one, not hanging out even a millimeter even at overloads.
      Another thing is that Israel has a compact army and they can afford to cast a few hundred helmets, unlike us, where the bill goes in the thousands.
      In these helmets they will apparently be buried if they run into one.

      But this is too self-confident, no one has ever felt each other's udders, they and we have different philosophies and different tactics. Where and what "mistakes" will surface for them and for us during real massive air battles, only God knows.
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 24 August 2019 22: 25
        -7
        It has long been known. When in one battle five planes were bombarded with Soviet instructors. They themselves have not lost a single one. Three of us died.
        1. Constructor68
          Constructor68 25 August 2019 06: 01
          +3
          What are yours? Judging by your typical comments, yours are those who, in the nearest fracture of the relief (ravine), finish eating, the main course of which is the artiodactyl
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 August 2019 18: 52
    +4
    There are different ways to "milk" the customer ... Constant paid software update is the most correct of them ... Since it is extremely difficult to check the actual volume of the update. All that is needed is regularity of updates ... Everyone who got into such a "meat-roll" will agree with me ...
    1. KrokodilGena
      KrokodilGena 26 August 2019 23: 47
      -1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      There are different ways to "milk" the customer ... Constant paid software update is the most correct of them ...

      What nonsense ?? In general, the stupidity of many commentators is striking, ready to post any nonsense, just not on the topic. And on the topic there is nothing to say, but about the "mattress cuts", their "stupidity" and "technological backwardness" from the RF military-industrial complex have dirtied all the topics.
  6. Proton
    Proton 24 August 2019 18: 59
    -2
    I immediately remember our helmet with a sight of one monocle laughing , and here, almost a “system engineer” was put on a pilot's turnip.
  7. bmv04636
    bmv04636 24 August 2019 19: 41
    -1
    But where did Boeing get paid software responsible for security
  8. SHIPS
    SHIPS 24 August 2019 19: 49
    -9
    Strange logic. Why shame what you are not able to do AT ALL!
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 24 August 2019 20: 08
      +1
      Navi-it does not need to be done just so unnecessarily complex and sensitive, especially since it is also constantly updating the software, and the helmet itself will have to be modified all the time it will be used! Ah, these are also expenses, and substantial ones!
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 25 August 2019 12: 01
        0
        Quote: Thrifty
        constantly update the software, and the helmet itself will have to be modified all the time during its operation!

        But how would you like it if the helmet is not just a "helmet", but one of the aircraft's combat systems, integrated (and seriously) into its avionics? Does the helmet have feedback, is it computerized? Here is your answer. In this case, the saying "if you like to ride, love to carry sledges"

        By the way, the domestic helmet for the Su-57 is no easier.
    2. Andrey Chistyakov
      Andrey Chistyakov 24 August 2019 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: NAVI
      Strange logic. Why shame what you are not able to do AT ALL!

      Indeed ... What just did not weave in the west, about the hypersonic missiles of Russia ....
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 24 August 2019 22: 15
        -11
        I'm about a helmet.
        Classic. Sign quilted jacket-Answer about Erem, to the question of Thomas.
        1. Andrey Chistyakov
          Andrey Chistyakov 24 August 2019 23: 01
          +4
          Quote: NAVI
          I'm about a helmet.
          Classic. Sign quilted jacket-Answer about Erem, to the question of Thomas.

          A sign of liberal enthusiastic praise the west.
          1. The comment was deleted.
        2. eagle owl
          eagle owl 25 August 2019 02: 59
          +4
          A sign of a bot from the Ministry of Truth them. Stitsya - to lie. Helmet RF Augmented Reality

          But what the penguins are not able to do is the adopted fighter. These all their helmets are bullshit, which the US Department of Defense knows best about, because they were rejected together with the F-35 and haven’t accepted laughing
          1. KrokodilGena
            KrokodilGena 27 August 2019 00: 03
            -1
            Quote: Uhu
            But what the penguins are not able to do is the adopted fighter.

            Quote: Uhu
            These all their helmets are bullshit, which the US Department of Defense knows best

            Well, yes, of course they do not know how ... This is especially noticeable in the dry numbers of the US Air Force's combat employment over the past 50 years. By the way, has this helmet with "augmented reality" been tested and put into service?
    3. Local from the Volga
      Local from the Volga 24 August 2019 21: 34
      +3
      And what are you able to do for our country? Or has the young boy already signed up for a cabot with the loud name navi !!?
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 24 August 2019 22: 17
        -12
        I enrolled in the aviation school of navigators in the 70s and served in naval aviation. All that is needed, I already did :-)
        1. Local from the Volga
          Local from the Volga 24 August 2019 23: 58
          0
          My regards!
        2. Constructor68
          Constructor68 25 August 2019 06: 09
          +4
          Sign up? It is immediately clear who is lying. You cannot enroll in CHVVAKUSH, you can enter there. Where did you serve in the "naval aviation"? Part number and home base?
          1. SHIPS
            SHIPS 25 August 2019 10: 46
            -4
            Type in the search Alexander Semenov "Anti-submarine warfare. View from SSSR"
            77 OPLAP, 317 OSAP, headquarters of the Kamchatka flotilla. Headquarters of the Pacific Fleet.
            http://samlib.ru/s/semenow_aleksandr_sergeewich333/protivolodochnaioborona-2019.shtml
            1. Constructor68
              Constructor68 25 August 2019 19: 29
              +4
              Why do I need articles?
              If 77 OPLAP, then the question is: who was based in the 70s in N-ke?
              1. Navigator111
                Navigator111 29 August 2019 13: 59
                0
                Son, you are still young to check me :-)
                I hope I’m smart enough to find what the RF 70053
                Flight book. https://ibb.co/n8XHHBY
      2. eagle owl
        eagle owl 25 August 2019 03: 09
        +5
        No, nick is short for "Lies". Read his posts. How many times have already been caught on lies.
        1. The comment was deleted.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 August 2019 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: Uhu
          No, nick is short for "Lies". Read his posts. How many times have already been caught on lies.

          Finally, the moders banned this banderlog. Pay attention to its rating. How much did you need to defecate in just a week from the date of registration? But I think he is reincarnating. Such just do not go away. Wait under the new nickname.
          1. Constructor68
            Constructor68 25 August 2019 19: 34
            0
            Sorry, I wanted to bring him to clean water. Because it’s interesting - he writes that he served in 77 OPLAP, he did not indicate the place of basing. Although not knowing the garrison in Niklayevka is just strange
            1. Navigator111
              Navigator111 29 August 2019 16: 14
              0
              Output :-)
              Is that you tell me who was NS under Ivkin, Safonov, Weaver?
              On which floor is billiard in DOF?
              In the flight cafeteria where is the washstand?
              On which floor in the Upper Hotel is the largest room?
              On which floor in the regiment headquarters is the office of the head of intelligence and his initials.
              Where is the regiment photo service?
              The name of the head of the political department?
              Features of the cell detained in the garrison commandant's office.

              You’ll answer correctly, offset :-) :-) :-)
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 August 2019 08: 43
        +3
        Quote: Local from the Volga
        And what are you able to do for our country?

        And why should he, such a fellow Svidomo, do something for Russia? He tries for his "Batkivshchyna" - he crap on Russian websites.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 24 August 2019 19: 52
    +2
    Where did this wonderful helmet go?
    Kopin received $ 50M from DARPA to develop micro LCDs with very high pixel density to enable wearable computers for soldiers. Since then, Kopin has become the leading supplier for AR HMDs for military applications, including those used in the F35 Joint Strike Fighter, for which Kopin provides microdisplays. Their clients include not only defense contractors like Rockwell Collins, Elbit, Thales and DRS, but also enterprise partners (Vuzix, Google, Fujitsu, Lenovo New Vision, and RealWear) and consumer (Intel / Recon, Garmin, and more)

    https://virtualrealitypop.com/kopin-is-first-to-market-stylish-ar-glasses-754bf424367b

    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 August 2019 20: 02
      +7
      This is Lockheed's helmet. He lost the Israeli helmet in a tender
      Elbit firms.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 August 2019 20: 07
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        This is Lockheed's helmet. He lost the Israeli helmet in a tender
        Elbit firms.

        So it turns out that the entire F-35 program depends on Elbit? Cool, I thought the Americans were a little farsighted
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 August 2019 20: 17
          +7
          Elbit has many joint projects with Lockheed, Boeing, Raiseon.
          Its systems are installed in aircraft, LSC ships, missiles.
          This is a large defense company. Like the English BAE Systems.
      2. dinis
        dinis 26 August 2019 01: 19
        0
        I just thought that the Americans knew a lot about design, but it turned out to be an Israeli helmet.
    2. eagle owl
      eagle owl 25 August 2019 03: 10
      -1
      Sawed already. They came up with a new project - to cut further
  10. bmv04636
    bmv04636 24 August 2019 19: 59
    +1
    Interestingly, the problem of frequent fainting from a lack of oxygen was solved or is this an add-on function for some money laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 August 2019 20: 04
      +2
      This problem is not related to the type of helmet. Connects to any helmet
      the same oxygen supply system on all American fighters.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 24 August 2019 21: 44
        0
        Well, the news is not only about the helmet is not it but also about the milking of the buyer. So, what about oxygen, pilots all faint
    2. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 24 August 2019 20: 39
      +3
      Interestingly, the problem of frequent fainting from a lack of oxygen was solved or is this an add-on function for some money

      Fainting - this is with girls when giving blood, you have to be more serious;)
      from lack of oxygen
      - in aviation this is called hypoxia, which is of two types:
      1-hypoxic hypoxia It is caused by a decrease in the partial pressure of oxygen in the inhaled air, and as a result, a decrease in the saturation of hemoglobin with oxygen. The reason is a rarefied atmosphere.
      1-circulatory hypoxia with it, the actual oxygen content in hemoglobin may be at least 100%, but the ambush is that blood does not enter the brain. This type of hypoxia occurs during overload, when all the blood goes to the lower extremities.
      PS voyaka uh correctly said:
      Connects to any helmet
      the same oxygen supply system on all American fighters.

      The oxygen system is a thing completely independent of the helmet and mask, the main thing is that the operating modes and the connecting connectors would coincide.
      1. SHIPS
        SHIPS 24 August 2019 22: 20
        -9
        How independent? If I don’t put on KM, then the oxygen system will save me?
        KM is garbage applied to the pilot’s lungs :-) so clear?
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 25 August 2019 09: 24
          +1
          How independent? If I don’t put on KM, then the oxygen system will save me?

          I guess I did not quite correctly and accurately put it, or you did not quite understand what I had in mind.
          "independent", meaning that this oxygen system as a whole has a conditionally oxygen cylinder, a pressure switch. from which oxygen goes to the block of the oxygen system (in general terms, the circuit diagram is much more complicated). The KS unit is located already on the ejection seat and has bayonet connectors to which the mask, the PPK / VKK line and ventilation for the IMSC are actually connected.
          The mask can be connected to absolutely any (KM-34, KM-35, Km-36 and various variations of the KM-37P type). In our Air Force, all masks are unified by a bayonet connector (which connects to the oxygen system) and by bolts of fastening to a protective helmet).
          Thus, you can sit on almost any modern type of aircraft, take any type of mask, as well as any type of protective helmet ZSh-5, ZSh-7 ZSh-10 and ZSh-17 and fly on it calmly.
          Modernization of the oxygen system, a single type of oxygen mask or helmet does not require a complete alteration of all the relationships KS-KM-ZSh, which significantly reduces the cost of operation:
          I chose the required size of KM and ZSh, carried out their additional individual fit and go ...
          Such is the domestic philosophy.
      2. bmv04636
        bmv04636 24 August 2019 22: 29
        -1
        Well Duc solved or not the problem, or just like in Boeing for extra. function for separate money
  11. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 24 August 2019 20: 06
    +4
    Very strange.
    American manufacturers began to modernize this system due to the fact that several cases of loss of consciousness by pilots during failures of the air supply complex were detected.

    This is all clear about the problems with oxygen regenerators (you can call it a concentrator, you can use an oxygen-producing plant, they also have different terminology), everyone has known for a long time that the system is new, good, but with its own peculiarities and shortcomings that no one has yet eliminated (both with them and with us).
    What technology is used in the helmet in the pilot’s health control system? In fact, the same that was used in the USA and earlier with some refinement


    Yes, only earlier they used pulse oximetry with an integrated sensor in the glove on the F-22. The system is simple to disgrace, like a Kalashnikov assault rifle. Here, any student from the Junior circle can understand that when SPO2 is reduced to 85%, a signal should be given about developing hypoxia and emergency oxygen should be turned on from a carefully stocked 2-5 liter cylinder (which naturally they don’t have, it’s not provided for us on a 5th generation airplane : /). With an indicator in the region of 75-65%, the System must force the aircraft into safe mode and block manual control on the basis of a deep pre-locking state or a loss that has occurred.
    Well, they don’t want a glove, you can even put a reflective type sensor in your forehead or face, I made a similar thing on my knees from a Chinese pulse oximeter in 20 minutes by disassembling the clothespin body and rearranging the ECG to the sticky electrode, but it’s a dime, but the price is a penny.
    What for to deliberately complex system?
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 24 August 2019 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Bshkaus
      What for to deliberately complex system?

      Capitalism, old man, capitalism! Profit is at the forefront, and if you need bullshit to wrap it in a sparkling wrapper, then there is nothing to be surprised at the F-35 program wink lol
      Live here and now, and let the future wait - the motto of modern liberal capitalists wink laughing
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus 24 August 2019 21: 07
        +5
        Capitalism, old man, capitalism

        So.
        Here, under the USSR, a scientist sits, receives a salary of 250 rubles a month and works 8 hours a day. He receives a fixed salary, and the fact that he is doing research, development work, etc. - this is actually his direct duty to do what they said. Well, sometimes it is necessary to purchase additional equipment, even to make a laboratory - this, of course, also costs, but in general, a person sits at the workplace and does.
        And now?
        I work together at an adjacent institute 5-6 times a year, we pay 300-400 thousand each time !!! And in the account, they almost every time buy new equipment, throw 7% in profits. And when I come to them, I also do the work for them. there is no one stupid to carry it out (frame loss) - just GLITTER. So after all, they insert into the account the workdays of their workers, which we pay them.
        Many will say that everything is correct, this is an additional agreement, but excuse me, they work on their schedule and in the main working hours! those. they are paid by both their institute and we, although when they came to work, they themselves signed an agreement to work conditionally 8 hours a day and carry out what they give.
        I freaked out hard, lucidly explained to the authorities that creating our own laboratory from scratch would cost us 200 - 500 thousand !, and even if we pay more to the performers (me and the team), it is still much cheaper.
        I’m glad that this week I started commissioning, although none of the shareholders will thank you anyway ((((
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 24 August 2019 21: 13
          +1
          Quote: Bshkaus
          though from the shareholders thanks anyway no one will say ((((

          Any shareholder will be focused on short-term (in time) profit! "Here and now"!
          But I understand you drinks hi
          1. KrokodilGena
            KrokodilGena 27 August 2019 00: 39
            -1
            Quote: Rurikovich
            Any shareholder will be focused on short-term (in time) profit! "Here and now"!

            Come on?! Any?? Understand the topic of stocks and shareholders before posting anything.
        2. Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich
          Pavlov Sergey Alexandrovich 25 August 2019 14: 00
          0
          And where do you work?)
      2. KrokodilGena
        KrokodilGena 27 August 2019 00: 34
        -2
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Profit is at the forefront and if for this you need to wrap bullshit in a sparkling wrapper, then there is nothing to be surprised at the F-35 program

        In order for bullshit to push the US Defense Ministry, there must be corruption, kickbacks and a complete lack of public control, as is customary in the Russian Federation. Name at least one type of weapon, which, according to your "shit in a sparkling wrapper", which the US military-industrial complex was able to use the US Defense Ministry ?! Here, literally on every branch, mattress kickbacks are procrastinated, literally about any development and type of weapon, but without citing a single fact. At the same time, what is going on under your nose, where there is really darkness and bottom, kickbacks, theft, a shortage of specialists, lack of responsibility for officials responsible for the processes, and most importantly, directly concerns and should be of interest to those who call themselves "patriots", never at all not being discussed. So I'm wondering if the F-35 program is bullshit, then what isn't bullshit ?? After all, no one has anything close, even in the plans, the level of the F-35, which has long been supplied and integrated into the NATO and Allied air forces.
    2. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 22: 26
      0
      How the hell? Why do cheap, if you can do expensive. The state order is the same. The budget will endure. Business, nothing personal.
  12. DNkroz
    DNkroz 24 August 2019 22: 00
    0
    People earn money. And you just have to criticize. This is the bottom of the gold. Just selling something with the need for constant updates. Mechanisms, no matter how hard you try, but have some kind of service life, and then roll updates at least every day.
  13. aszzz888
    aszzz888 25 August 2019 04: 40
    -1
    now, as stated, it has become "substantially smaller" - below 400 thousand US dollars. For a second, it's about 26,2 million rubles!

    Merikatos national fun - cut loot for EVERYTHING !!! laughing
  14. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 25 August 2019 10: 07
    -3
    But the helmet of the Japanese pilot was never found after the accident ... Obviously, ours grabbed it!