Long noodles on the ears for a short work week

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Who has not yet discussed the initiative of the government to introduce know-how in the form of a four-day work week? If you are one of these, then connect to the conversation that Klim Zhukov starts in his video blog.


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So, Dmitry Medvedev, as already noted, voiced the initiative to “squeeze” the work week into an 4-day format. The Ministry of Labor and other relevant departments promised to carefully study the proposal of their leader. Perhaps as "thoroughly" as the initiative to raise the retirement age was discussed.

It is important that, in proposing to reduce the working week, the government actually bypasses the working day. Will it remain 8-hourly or will it be brought to the 10-hour mark per day? If you save the 40-hour work week with the reduction to the 4-day, it turns out that the work day becomes 10-hour. And this is a rollback in the times that preceded the socialist conquests. But who today upstairs recalls those conquests? It was clearly said that there is no return to socialism for today's Russia.

Klim Zhukov’s video also discusses the real time that a person will spend at work with, say, an 10-hour working day.

The author believes that this is 11-12 hours, taking into account the lunch break. The question also arises of how much labor productivity can increase and stress levels decrease in this case?

That is, the short work week initiative for the benefit of the working people is a long noodle on the ears of the working people themselves? Answers in the video:

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  1. +3
    August 24 2019
    Everyone understands that in the current realities there will be no 4 days. There are ghostly chances that our grandchildren will see a 4-day stay.
    It is not clear why they have started this conversation at the government level.
    1. +21
      August 24 2019
      Quote: forty-eighth
      It is not clear why they have started this conversation at the government level.

      To bring down the heat from the "pension reform"
    2. +15
      August 24 2019
      Quote: forty-eighth
      It is not clear why they have started this conversation at the government level.

      It’s necessary to put forward some kind of initiative .. otherwise the sleeping fairytale government against the background of protests seems completely inadequate. This is approximately the same as with the translation of the clock .. from the same opera song ..
      1. -1
        August 25 2019
        Quote: Svarog
        Quote: forty-eighth
        It is not clear why they have started this conversation at the government level.

        It’s necessary to put forward some kind of initiative .. otherwise the sleeping fairytale government against the background of protests seems completely inadequate. This is approximately the same as with the translation of the clock .. from the same opera song ..


        And what are the protests?
        That's when there was monetization - then there were protests.
        1. +9
          August 25 2019
          There are protests. Passive. Also a sickly thing, the Britons will confirm. In 1947, Mahatma Gandhi and the Indians shook them with his passivity))) In any case, dissatisfaction arises through the elections, and judging by the jerking of political strategists from the government, they are not weak.
          1. -2
            August 25 2019
            Quote: Far In
            There are protests. Passive. Also a sickly thing, the Britons will confirm. Mahatma Gandhi with the Indians in 1947 did the same with his passivity))) ...


            There were also Italian strikes, though they remained in the last century.
      2. +10
        August 25 2019
        Quote: Svarog
        and that dreaming fabulous government against the background of protests seems completely inadequate. This is approximately the same as with the translation of the clock .. from the same opera song ..

        It turns out that the police had to be renamed the police only so that it was not Uncle Stepa the policeman who beat the disabled, but the "Ain-tsvai-policeay".
        Now it remains to rename the department of Zolotov to Roszhandarmeria and everything will be a "bundle" ... bully
    3. +23
      August 24 2019
      They parody life. ,, Parodists ,,. Robot ,, Fedor ,, said: “Let's go! ,, ... ... The inconsistency came out, however. And-and-so in everything. ,, RK ,, (,, Russia Capitalist ,,) - a parody of the state. Sorry for the country ...
      1. +13
        August 24 2019
        Quote: evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        Robot ,, Fedor ,, said: “Let's go !,”

        Robot Fedor, from the same series, about changing the clock, four days .. This is all a show that is designed to distract the population from pressing, serious problems, political and economic .. But the problem is that the population is no longer buying it .. wiser too.
        1. +5
          August 25 2019
          Quote: Svarog
          But the problem is that the population isn’t buying it already .. I got too smart.

          And who is this uncle with ears broadcasting to?

          I myself have not been to Moscow, but I believed this most honest "like cherubim" right away. I look into the open face, into those narrowed "honest" eyes and ... No. "I believe" ...
          Liars and hypocrites have stopped even tearing or justifying their lies, swagger and cynicism with something ...
    4. +12
      August 24 2019
      ... a four-day work week
      ... at two jobs ??? wink
    5. +13
      August 24 2019
      Quote: forty-eighth
      Everyone understands that in the current realities there will be no 4 days.

      In the same way, it was clear to everyone that there would be no increase in the retirement age. However... request took place.
      1. +15
        August 25 2019
        And with our government you can expect any unexpected person))) There is no such moronism that they could not bring to life. Take only the adventures of logging, which can not be collected / possible. You giggle - if this did not happen in our country and not during our lifetimes. But bastard, this is happening here and now am Evil is sometimes lacking.
        1. +4
          August 25 2019
          Quote: Dalny V
          And with our government you can expect any unexpected person)))

          But is it only from the government? And who, in the end, does this government appoint? Maybe the dominant system is somehow involved in this? After all, with the abolition of the last Soviet Constitution of 1977, we, in fact, began an attack on the rights of workers.
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  2. +4
    August 24 2019
    And this is a rollback in the times that preceded the socialist conquests.


    In Australia, 8 is an hourly working day from 1870 of the year ... by the way, women vote too.
  3. +10
    August 24 2019
    An experiment was already done on the cows, milk yield fell, but how nice it is probably to step on the rake the second time, the third time.
    1. +4
      August 24 2019
      Quote: Ezekiel 25-17
      An experiment was already done on the cows, milk yield fell, but how nice it is probably to step on the rake the second time, the third time.

      Or maybe there, upstairs, for the first time, someone heard a bearded joke:
      Five year plan:
      - at 4 years old,
      - in 3 shifts,
      - with two hands
      - for one salary!

      and decided, but let's try?
  4. +28
    August 24 2019
    First, they raise the retirement age, and then discuss a 4-day working week ... Clowns
  5. +9
    August 24 2019
    «It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of society that would ensure that all members of the society comprehensively develop their physical and mental abilities, so that members of the society have the opportunity to receive an education sufficient to become active workers in social development, so that they have the opportunity to freely choose a profession, rather than to be chained for life, due to the existing division of labor to any profession.
    What is required for this?
    It would be wrong to think that it is possible to achieve such a serious cultural growth of members of society without serious changes in the current situation of labor. To do this, first of all, reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education.
    For this, it is necessary, further, to radically improve housing conditions and raise the real wages of workers and employees at least twice, if not more, both by directly raising the wage and, especially, by further systematically lowering the prices of consumer goods
    ».
    1. +6
      August 24 2019
      I will continue, let me:
      Raising pensions and reducing retirement age, free medicine and education, reducing housing and communal services, taxes, land for peasants, bowels of the people, etc. etc.
      Sorry, but this is populism, or election slogans ...
      Do you know why we live like this?
      1. The fish rots from the head.
      2. Each herd deserves its shepherd.
      And these points flow from each other.
      Total: what is happening to us now, we have now worked out.
      You need to start with yourself ..
      1. +5
        August 25 2019
        "You need to start with yourself .." - and what would you advise?
        1. +3
          August 25 2019
          Everything is easier. Fantik, a stub to bring to the urn; give way to public transport who needs it; behind the wheel not to be a haml; to think and do not only for ourselves and ourselves, as we are taught in the consumer society, in fact, this is a deadlock and a vicious circle.
          Even if the world remains the same, it will already sparkle with more rainbow colors for you. And if there will be more such people, and they will intersect, because they can turn mountains, and it’s important not to break firewood.
          1. +2
            August 25 2019
            And what, immediately retirement age will return and air conditioners with thieves will self-destruct?
            1. +1
              August 25 2019
              Any group of people, collective, society, state, with its composition and leaders is by no means an accidental combination of circumstances.
              I’ll tell you a joke:
              They predicted one character that he would die in a plane crash. I haven’t flown my whole life, I decided to fly on an airplane under old age, well, as something was said to happen to the airplane, a crash, everyone dies.
              He appears before God and asks:
              - Well, then I understand, I was told, he wanted; but the rest for what ?!
              God answered:
              “Do you know how much time and energy it took me to have in one place and at the same time, such as you gather?”

              What air conditioners didn’t please you?
              1. -2
                August 25 2019
                Do you believe in Santa Claus?
                1. +4
                  August 25 2019
                  First you believe in Santa Claus, then you don’t believe, and then you yourself Santa Claus wink
                  1. +1
                    August 25 2019
                    First, you believe that after you bring a cigarette butt or a candy wrapper to the urn, and then a bunch of owners decide that you and your family are not economically profitable for them. Well, or you’ve never been a hamlet behind a wheel, but died from a splinter in the head when the elites decided once again divide the world and started playing for this war game.
                    1. +1
                      August 25 2019
                      Everyone turns out to be there and then, when exactly this situation happens to him. There are no accidents, there is no calculated rule. What they sowed and reaped.
                      1. 0
                        August 25 2019
                        So, if one of the people sitting above decides to gut you on the organs, you will accept this with humility and complete non-resistance.
                      2. 0
                        August 26 2019
                        If someone decides on something (including organs), then your thoughts, actions, actions have led you to this. Personally, I naturally value my life and health, and I will protect them. And on your critical assumptions "on organs" I think everyone will fight back.
                        Ali would you not?

                        Blaming others is the simplest and ultimately not giving all the answers, and even a distorting reason. But to take responsibility for EVERYTHING that happens to you, this requires will and understanding. Everything according to Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment". Naturally, there will be introductory ones, since life, nature does not tolerate monotony, constancy, you do not want to develop, improve yourself, there will first be small hints for this, you will not understand the average prerequisites, again it will not work, big life situations.
                        Caught in a stormy river, you don’t swim 10 meters against the current towards the shore, although you can 20 along the stream? Although many people choose exactly 1 option, and then ask why it is so unbearably hard to row in life?
                      3. -1
                        August 26 2019
                        wt100 (wt100) August 9, 2019 05:50
                        "As a result of the shelling of Khmeimim, 2 civilians were killed
                        That is, it suits you if you were under fire?
                        I am definitely not! "- your personality is not very divided there?
            2. -1
              August 25 2019
              Sorry - corrupt. Reservation according to Freud - the codishen cat is trying to saddle, fighting.
              1. +2
                August 25 2019
                And at the expense of air conditioners, sorry - corrupt, I think there is a good example of Singapore. At one time, their leader Lee Kuan Yew gave an answer about the methods by which he was able to overcome corruption:
                “Start by planting your three friends.
                You know exactly why, and they know why. ”
                It would be the willpower of the present Leader, not the sitter; and let 'he' decide who he is, or for one ...
                1. 0
                  August 25 2019
                  Well, you want to say that our government throws pieces of paper past the ballot box?
                  1. 0
                    August 27 2019
                    In the 90s, Stalin with his methods of dealing with bribe-takers put him upside down and contemporaries idolized and the descendants from the Mausoleum took out .... It is unlikely that anyone will follow him?
      2. +3
        August 25 2019
        I agree that everything comes from within a person, then a family, and finally society as a whole. We have a mentality of our own, and from the beginning perestroyki we are impressed by Western life, their way of thinking and worldview. Now, in all spheres, everyone is trying to do "as they do", but this is just a pitiful parody. We are different and we need to develop our own way, and start with ourselves.
    2. 0
      August 25 2019
      Quote: paul3390
      ... It is necessary to achieve such a cultural growth of the society, which would provide all members of the society with the comprehensive development of their physical and mental abilities ...

      Do you quote "tyrant" and "man-hater"? wink Not creative with the current dominant political ideology. lol hi
  6. lot
    +13
    August 24 2019
    First of all, it is necessary to reduce the working day to at least 6, and then to 5 hours. This is necessary so that members of society receive enough free time necessary to receive a comprehensive education ...
    Joseph Stalin, 1952, "Economic problems of socialism in the USSR"
    1. +3
      August 24 2019
      What about hourly wages? For example, like in Denmark = Denmark (43,5 euros), Luxembourg (40,6 euros), Belgium (39,7 euros), Sweden (36,6 euros), the Netherlands ( 35,9 euros) and France (35,8 euros) wink
      Everyone can take away from the people ... and find a lot of reasons .. and scribbler. Who justify it
      1. +4
        August 24 2019
        Where do these salary figures come from in Western Europe?
        That's how rumors are born. The minimum wage in Germany is less than 10 euros per hour.
        A skilled worker gets around 18.
        1. +1
          August 24 2019
          Well I wrote "and the scribblers. who will justify this .."
          drive into google some of those numbers and read .. and about immediately labels. rumors ..
          1. +5
            August 24 2019
            The average salary in Germany is a little over 3000.
            The month is roughly 160 hours of workers. Divide 3000 by 160 to get 18.75 per hour.
            Someone gets and less than two thousand, someone more.
            So go to Google, he knows everything (well, almost).
            I know, that's why I wrote HEARINGS.
            1. +1
              August 25 2019
              I agree .. then at least about 18 euros ..
              1. 0
                August 25 2019
                Always respected people who admit their mistakes or errors. Plus, definitely.
      2. 0
        August 25 2019
        It remains to deduct taxes and operating expenses.
  7. +5
    August 24 2019
    Talk about anything, in commercial organizations and so work for 10 - 12 hours. In particular, I have been working for 12 hours and so for 10 years, and no one has died of this yet. Another exhaust from our government
  8. +13
    August 24 2019
    In my understanding, the four-day period and raising the retirement age somehow do not fit together. Maybe someone from the gifted will explain this discrepancy.
    In fact, normal people first conduct experiments on mice or on some other animal.
  9. +4
    August 24 2019
    Good evenings to all. Personally, I am against a four-day period. I fear not that the working day will be increased, but that the age of retirement will begin to be counted not by hours worked, but by hours worked. And they will take an eight-hour working day at five-day basis. And then we will retire not in 63/65, but in 73/75. And yes, how much is overtime permissible per year - 120? So it seems that they will create jobs (do you need to compensate for the loss of productivity?) And increase the retirement age (voices were already heard like, no?).
    1. 0
      August 24 2019
      Quote: Gaersul
      retirement will begin to be considered not by hours worked, but by hours worked.

      Well, in this case, it makes no difference (though it's about vacation):
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrwKsk0iQg4
  10. +13
    August 24 2019
    How many innovations on Medvedev’s conscience? Refusal from incandescent lamps, refusal to transfer hands, reduce time zones, rename police to police. And then it turned out that everything was done clumsily, thoughtlessly, with a negative result. And now, another opus, four days. Hands itch, do something, scratch somewhere else. Ensure that the current Labor Code is ALL enforced. People work for individual entrepreneurs for 60-70 hours a week, with salaries in envelopes.
    1. +5
      August 25 2019
      Under the slogans of Gorbachev, MORE SOCIALIZATION ---- discredited and destroyed socialism. And now for all the suggestions ----- the further destruction of the country and what else works.
  11. +6
    August 24 2019
    So, Dmitry Medvedev, as already noted, voiced the initiative to “squeeze” the work week into a 4-day format.

    Another, at least - strange, idea of ​​our prime minister.
    1. +7
      August 24 2019
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Another, at least strange, idea of ​​our prime minister

      And besides at least strange other ideas do he have? ...
  12. +3
    August 24 2019
    I remember when Khrushchev, when the country switched to a five-day working week, his comments were such, we made it for the people to study and play sports, and they began to drink. Four-day is another nonsense, our legislation regulates the length of the working day and working week, no more than 8 hours and 40 hours, all that is over processing and regulations for its payment. As the Lady with a mustache said in the cartoon about Funtika, "Less is possible, no more, no, no." The government can discuss the rules for the work of budgetary organizations, but how the round-the-clock services, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, Healthcare and others will work. If earlier there was a three-shift work, then what is now a four-shift, where people will be taken. Like artificially create jobs.
  13. 0
    August 24 2019
    Time has shown that 5/2 is the most productive. And three days off are not enough for "some".
    PS 6/1 is more productive, but less comfortable. Man. A couple of days is enough to restore strength.
    The question is EFFECTIVE working hours, the duration of the break.
    1. 0
      August 24 2019
      Naturally, three days off are few. The most valuable resource is free time. It would be better, instead of four days, to increase the duration of the vacation. 10 days of commercials.
  14. +10
    August 24 2019
    "History teaches only that it teaches nothing." Surely, this 4-day project is just another dirty trick, which, first of all, will hit ordinary people very hard.
  15. +6
    August 24 2019
    Everything that this government offers is not associated in any way with my determination that everything will be at least normal with us! About good and do not have to dream!
    1. +2
      August 25 2019
      That’s just behind the offer of 4 days lies the possibility of generally total comprehensive chaos, Victor!
      1. 0
        August 25 2019
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        With such global innovations, they usually try to cover up the bummer / failure of previous experiments!
        Those. the list is reached, the victories are dumb, but innovation is still rushing!
  16. +2
    August 24 2019
    Who has not yet discussed the initiative of the government to introduce know-how in the form of a four-day work week?

    I don’t even want to discuss this nonsense .....
    I’ll smash anyone into the trash (verbally) who will try to justify its expediency to me.
  17. +2
    August 24 2019
    Quote: wt100
    this is populism, or election slogans ...

    Actually, it’s Joseph Vissarionovich .. Which, unlike other politicians, was not seen in populism, as well as in his enthusiasm for election slogans ..
  18. +4
    August 24 2019
    Why does the government, with us, start reforming from the end? To introduce a four-day period, first you need to create modern, highly efficient production throughout the whole country, and not in separate clusters. Those. we need an effective economy, which is possible only with an effective State Management System (GSU). A high crime rate, corruption, embezzlement - all this is the result of the inefficiency of the State Civil Service. The government, in the first place, would pay more attention to optimizing the organs and management systems before undertaking any reforms.
    "Devastation is not in the country, devastation in the heads." (C)
  19. +3
    August 24 2019
    Yes, the hedgehog is clear why this is! Our government has launched a fool into the masses from hopelessness, we think we will all rush to discuss it and how we will believe the last frara!
    1. 0
      August 24 2019
      So we rushed and are discussing even in VO!
      1. +6
        August 24 2019
        We do not discuss, but expose
  20. +3
    August 24 2019
    Something recently, after the presidential election in Ukraine, I see more and more parallels between Medvedev and Zelensky. Both of them do nothing real, and all their words are perceived as inappropriate and stupid jokes ...
  21. 0
    August 24 2019
    The only question is, what does the 4 day week have to do with the VO site ???
  22. +2
    August 24 2019
    They have a surplus of labor due to an increase in the retirement age. They can organize a two-shift work schedule - day, evening, with a four-day work week, the utilization of equipment, productivity will increase. Only with the current economic system, there is no horse feed.
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  24. 0
    August 24 2019
    "The International Labor Organization has proposed to reduce the working week to four days, many media reported during the week. It was said that this will have a beneficial effect on the health of employees, and will also help in the fight against unemployment" - by the way, in the EU countries this is no longer news for a long time the working week is less 40 hours, respectively, and a four-day working week, for me it is better to devote myself to family and self-education for three days off, as Comrade Stalin bequeathed, but this is really applicable, in my opinion, only to civil servants and in state-owned enterprises, private capital will squeeze the employee dry
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  26. +1
    August 25 2019
    Quote: To be or not to be
    What about hourly wages? For example, like in Denmark = Denmark (43,5 euros), Luxembourg (40,6 euros), Belgium (39,7 euros), Sweden (36,6 euros), the Netherlands ( 35,9 euros) and France (35,8 euros) wink
    Everyone can take away from the people ... and find a lot of reasons .. and scribbler. Who justify it


    it’s bad when we don’t know what we’re talking about:
    minimum salary in Germany 450 € (Mini Job or Basis) - receive for example cleaning staff. Not taxable.
    minimum hourly pay 8,60 €
    average z.p. after tax insurance, etc. 1600 € (supermarket employees, etc.)
    it also depends on which sector you work in.
    I will tell you so. my zp. when charging 4500 € is 2400 € (health sector, physiotherapist). teachers earn about the same or a little more.
    Engineer / Doctor 4000-6000 € (after tax, taking into account qualifications). In Switzerland and Scandinavia, salaries are 2-3 times higher (approximately), but this is partly because there is a different tax system
  27. +4
    August 25 2019
    Apparently, there were not enough places for the kids at the feeder, the states had nowhere to inflate further, but it was very necessary to attach offspring. And so it seems that the opportunity arises for parasites and parasites to attach people to the neck.
  28. 0
    August 25 2019
    Planning meeting in ... well, let's say ... Research Institute: "So this is how ... on Monday we rest, recuperate after the weekend ... on Tuesday we are preparing to work on Wednesday ... on Wednesday we work .... on Thursday we recuperate after working Wednesday ... on Friday we are preparing for a weekend holiday .... on Saturday and Sunday we are having a great time! Do you have any questions? Menes is getting up .... "Yes! Are we going to plow until the stake on Wednesdays ?! "
    1. +6
      August 25 2019
      PS Well, it's a joke, and half a liter is in the stomach ... (humor of the movers). Regarding the 4-day stay ... to open the door to Russia for migrants? But, while "promising" a 5-day holiday to the country, the Kremlin company does not demonstrate its readiness to abandon the increase in the retirement age, to put up a barrier or, at least, to limit the invasion of "Gaster"! , the bureaucrats have become so demonstrative and blatant that it becomes shameful for the ruling regime to "let it down" ... and patience is already at its limit!
  29. +2
    August 25 2019
    The concern is clearly not for the welfare of the people, but for increasing the basic bureaucratic feeder. The first stage is the pension reform, to allow the official to feed an additional five years. That, in fact, stagnation in personnel change and development as such, over which liberals like to giggle recalling the final era of the USSR. The second part of the four-day week, the goal of stuffing the pockets of officials and creating a system of pulling away the budget, in fact, the country is forced to work for five days, and many services, such as health, partly on Saturdays. In fact, the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, health care and others, the same army, these are round-the-clock services. To compensate for the implementation of the new legislation, the states will be inflated, hence the payment funds, the number is growing and, therefore, the payment of leading officials, new jobs and premises are needed, this is a budget that will partially settle in the pockets of officials. There will be new opportunities for "friends" to pay for part-time jobs and processing. With the same amount of work, budget costs will jump, for the benefit of the bureaucratic elite.
  30. 0
    August 25 2019
    The 4-day initiative is complete stupidity, in my opinion. Imitation of violent activity. Those who need to work, because there is urgent work, work for a full week and more than 8 hours a day. For they are interested in the final result. Those who do not have work, even though you set a 100 day week, will still not work more than necessary to complete the work. This applies to the real working population. Another thing is government officials who strictly observe lunch breaks and weekends. They reduce the working week while maintaining salaries, only in joy ... That is. M is trying for himself and his own?
  31. 0
    August 26 2019
    Yes, he has already done this in higher education: he trumpeted the whole country - that we, together with Europe, will be if we switch to undergraduate studies (that is, from 5 years of study to 4 years) (though in Europe, 4 years of education are not everywhere). The negative about this teaching from universities - in fact, in no way affected. He saved the budget (by 20%), from the saved - he allowed the first persons of the universities to rewrite their contracts (count the salary). All the rest: teachers and students are at a loss ... for the first, the salary decreased (the load fell) for others there is not enough knowledge (according to the present - competencies). That's the whole short time ...
  32. 0
    August 26 2019
    The pensioner was raised to pay less to the plebs and after that would someone believe Medvedev that the oligarchy would allow him to lose money? Medvedev simply understands that because of the pension, his party may simply not go to the Duma from here and these tales about 4 working weeks
  33. 0
    August 26 2019
    Continuing, I will say this: the volume of work remains the same, the revenue is also the same, and the number of hours worked by an employee will decrease by 20%, i.e. and wages will also decrease by 20%.
    And what else will come up?
  34. 0
    26 September 2019
    They would rather hang noodles on their ears, from the stupid, mediocre decisions the PEOPLE are already tired. Rotten SWAMP.

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