Military Review

Washington intends to disrupt the deal between Kiev and Beijing on the transfer of Motor Sich

115
The United States will in every way prevent China from establishing control of the Ukrainian Motor Sich company. According to the newspaper The Wall Street Journal citing sources in the White House administration, Washington will attempt to disrupt the upcoming deal.


Washington intends to disrupt the deal between Kiev and Beijing on the transfer of Motor Sich


Prevent the purchase by the Chinese investment company Skyrizon Aircraft of the only manufacturer in Ukraine aviation engines - the company "Motor Sich" will try US Presidential Assistant for National Security John Bolton, the newspaper writes. According to the newspaper, provided by sources in the White House, Bolton is preparing a meeting with the leadership of the Ukrainian company in Kiev, which is scheduled for next week.

We are going to hold a conversation with the Ukrainians about the ambitions of China and state our opinion on what China is capable of. All this is an integral part of the national security and national defense strategy. It's about a strategic competition with China

- the newspaper cites the words of one of the sources.

In Washington, they say that China, with the help of Ukrainian specialists, is trying to modernize its fleet of heavy-duty aircraft, but for the United States this is a threat.

We will not let the Chinese learn this technology

- stated in the White House.

As some media previously reported, the Chinese company, together with Ukroboronprom, is trying to take control of Motor Sich. The purchase of the Ukrainian manufacturer will allow Beijing to reduce the technology gap, and Kiev - to ensure the loading of its own enterprise, which is prohibited from military-technical cooperation with Russia, which was previously the main customer of the products. According to available information, Skyrizon Aircraft is already building a plant in Chongqing in the south-west of China under the capacity of a Ukrainian enterprise.
Photos used:
https://www.realcleardefense.com/
115 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. 210ox
    210ox 24 August 2019 06: 44
    +11
    Why go? One call and the Ukrainians will stand up. And on the other hand, if it’s true about the plant in Chongqing, so that your hands do not break out, the specialists will go there.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 August 2019 06: 48
      +4
      Quote: 210ox
      Why go? One call and the Ukrainians will stand up. And on the other hand, if it’s true about the plant in Chongqing, so that your hands do not break out, the specialists will go there.

      A bell rings, and cookies work more reliably!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 August 2019 07: 10
        0
        So how much sweet you can! Isn't it time to use another whip.
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 24 August 2019 09: 57
          +1
          So soon the company will be ruined.
          Until now, Moscow has hindered, because it was a consumer of this plant.

          And if the Russians rolled off, then it's time to destroy the competitor.
          1. major147
            major147 24 August 2019 11: 35
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir16
            And if the Russians rolled off, then it's time to destroy the competitor.

            The United States will do its utmost to prevent China from establishing control over the Ukrainian company Motor Sich.

            The patient must die quietly!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 August 2019 10: 57
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          Isn't it time to use another whip.

          A very reliable tool, it works better than any gingerbread.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 August 2019 07: 17
      +24
      Quote: 210ox
      Why go? One call and the Ukrainians will stand up.

      And if they can't? Loot wins everything. The Chinese will simply buy specialists, and the plant is already being built. Machines and equipment will be bought directly in Zaporozhye. I saw this in the 2000s. The Chinese came and bought the PLANT! Entirely. Together with equipment. This is how the Angstrem plant, and earlier the Pulsar plant, were derebited ... These are the ones that I know for sure. In the 90s, they bought, paying 30% in money, and the rest in goods! Moreover, the prices "for barter" were set on the condition of "Goods in Beijing" ... And the prices were there - in Russia the market was cheaper ... But ours was not aware ...
      Now China has enough money, and if the goal is set, they will achieve it. And no Bolton will stop them ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 24 August 2019 12: 45
        +4
        The Chinese will simply buy specialists, and the plant is already being built.

        Look a little further. They will have their own plant, they already have more specialists than in Russia and Ukraine. Moreover, the youth, and not the remnants of the old, as we have. Lug equipment? It’s ridiculous.
        They will buy, they will acquire the rights to products, a couple of clever goals if they find and go bankrupt over time. Why would they need competitors producing engines?
      2. IL-18
        IL-18 24 August 2019 18: 02
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        no Bolton will bother them

        The plant is under the jurisdiction of Russia, and Ukraine is under the jurisdiction of the United States. request
    3. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 24 August 2019 12: 05
      +1
      and they’ll grab some important pieces of paper. although the flash drive is smaller and easier to hide
    4. alexmach
      alexmach 24 August 2019 16: 25
      0
      Specialists, specialists, and documentation, and mastered production technology? And the part will not be able to move due to various reasons there.
  2. Pedrodepackes
    Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 06: 48
    +11
    In Washington, they say that China, with the help of Ukrainian specialists, is trying to modernize its fleet of heavy-duty aircraft, but for the United States this is a threat.
    this is also a threat to us, commercially. Here the United States is acting in our interests.
    1. private person
      private person 24 August 2019 08: 11
      +6
      this is a threat to us, commercially

      It was necessary to think about it 6-7 years ago, but as they say now it is too late to drink "Borjomi" when the kidneys have failed. If China wants something, he will do it and no one will bother him, well, if, as an option, they do not offer him an even more advantageous offer.
      1. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 08: 15
        +2
        Quote: private person
        It was necessary to think about this before 6-7 years ago

        "if only if only", we have what we have. And by and large
        Quote: private person
        I had to think
        even earlier, in the year 91, when the Union was falling apart. It is also good that a part of Motor Sich remained in the DPR, in Snezhnoye.
        1. private person
          private person 24 August 2019 08: 51
          +3
          It is also good that a part of Motor Sich remained in the DPR, in Snezhnoye.

          Do you think this part will not be in China or already there? And experts, if they offer to earn money, will run with Russian passports.
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 09: 03
            +1
            Quote: private person
            Do you think this part will not be in China

            She has long been in Russia
            Quote: private person
            And experts, if they offer to earn money, will run with Russian passports.

            from Russia?
            1. ZAV69
              ZAV69 24 August 2019 10: 18
              +6
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              from Russia?

              and they will run from Russia. If they do not change the principle of remuneration. They will offer a salary increased by 3-5 times, housing, children’s studies and will run away.
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 10: 22
                -2
                Quote: ZAV69
                They will offer a salary increased by 3-5 times, housing, study for children and will run away

                there are such cases, but something of a mass outflow to China has not yet been observed, but do you think the Chinese have just decided to build their own engine?
                1. maximnik0
                  maximnik0 24 August 2019 11: 55
                  +1
                  I was in Hunchun last year, I was repairing my teeth. So this is a relatively backward province, the contrast with new cars and a poor village and some neighborhoods is awesome, but the city is being rebuilt and I saw people from Primorye Artyom before the construction site. Of course, they were qualified specialists, but in Russia they didn’t earn such money forever - about 4000-8000 yuan, learn the course and think about it. I found out such a shocking fact that they have completed their secondary education for free for less than 10 years ..... And only in pensions 2000s appeared. And already earnings are higher, and even our retirees are going to Hunchun, full of housing sales agencies with registration of residence permits.
                2. private person
                  private person 24 August 2019 18: 18
                  +1
                  And what do you think is the mass outflow? The Chinese are not fools to take all the workers in a row, at any factory there are those on whom everything is brainwashed, or so to speak, and there are not so many of them. A slave.sily and their own abundantly.
                  1. Pedrodepackes
                    Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 18: 59
                    0
                    Quote: private person
                    And what do you think is the mass outflow?

                    this is when we have no one to build and construct engines, as long as there are))
                3. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 25 August 2019 13: 02
                  0
                  About a couple of months ago, there was an article stating that a lot of civil aviation pilots were dumped in China for a long yuan, which makes our airlines very badly burned. And this despite the fact that pilots earn good money anyway.
                  And as for the engine specialists, it’s not a fact that we know the current state of affairs, they don’t shout about it from every iron, it’s not Ukraine.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 24 August 2019 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: Pedrodepackes
          "if only if only", we have what we have. And by and large

          As always, we think retroactively.
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 24 August 2019 11: 04
            -1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            always retroactively think

            at least we think well, sometimes we draw conclusions from this, not everything has disappeared yet)
        3. alexmach
          alexmach 24 August 2019 16: 27
          0
          It is also good that a part of Motor Sich remained in the DPR, in Snezhnoye.

          And it’s probably idle, if it’s still not destroyed at all
        4. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 24 August 2019 16: 32
          0
          There was a very small part. No longer
  3. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 24 August 2019 06: 50
    +1
    We will not let the Chinese learn this technology

    - stated in the White House.

    Masterpiece
    Will the Chinese ask? Urcoclown will sell EVERYTHING.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 24 August 2019 08: 42
        +3
        Quote: Runoway
        What prevented in "good times" having all the leverage to keep a neighbor on the gas needle, being the largest consumer of ukrotovarov, at least in the style of the 90s, to buy out controlling stakes?

        What prevented the junta after canceling these shares?

        And specialists from Sich and so on in the Russian Federation were lured ... and, it seems, not without success. And iron without specialists - it does not work. And getting worse request
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 24 August 2019 16: 34
          0
          Already a significant part of the motorists are working in Russia, with the best part. There is nothing bad to do there.
      2. Yura
        Yura 24 August 2019 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Runoway
        at least in the style of the 90s to buy back controlling stakes?

        Well, what would you buy? They owe billions to us, but they don’t speak, they say that we take something from you, you should pay us, they are suing us in all courts in order not to repay debts, in order to demand compensation on far-fetched pretexts. That is, with these shares it would be the same. There are many options for how to ensure their depreciation and, as a result, the possibility of manipulating them in any direction. So how do you think this would be in Russia's favor? Do you think there was little Russian property in Ukraine?
        1. Runoway
          Runoway 24 August 2019 11: 55
          +1
          Well, what would you buy?

          AND MOVED PRODUCTION TO THE TERRITORY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION !!!! With all the documentation, patents and technologies, + no leaks in China and the USA
          They owe us billions

          Payment of stocks with gas (I think no worse than palm oil) is just less than b billion we owed, otherwise our unplanned loans, enemies at the gates and lost technology and production will be left with our foreign policy of the modern Russian Federation
          1. Yura
            Yura 24 August 2019 12: 17
            0
            Quote: Runoway
            AND MOVED PRODUCTION TO THE TERRITORY OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION !!!! With all the documentation, patents and technologies, + no leaks in China and the USA

            For this, 100% of the shares are necessary, and this is impossible and no one would have allowed, and if this all the same happened, the transfer of production would have been blocked by Ukraine at the state level, with the help of lawmaking, this is without a doubt. I do not mind all this would be great, but unlikely.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 24 August 2019 11: 03
        0
        Quote: Runoway
        being the largest consumer of goods, at least in the style of 90x to buy back controlling stakes?

        True, they could, but as always, "clever thought comes afterward."
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 24 August 2019 16: 38
        0
        What prevented in "good times" having all the leverage to keep a neighbor on the gas needle, being the largest consumer of ukrotovarov, at least in the style of the 90s, to buy out controlling stakes?

        So they tried. Did not work out. Ukraine had its own stakeholders. As with the Ukrainian GTS, for example, they were the first to try to buy it, as with the Belarusian MZKT. In general, Russia slightly overestimates its natural resources. The concept of an "energy superpower" is extremely flawed. There is no such thing. You either earn money on energy resources or promote your political will at their expense. And this and that at the same time will not work in any way. You have to choose.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 August 2019 06: 53
    +5
    In this regard, I 200% agree with the striped.
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 24 August 2019 07: 52
      +2
      Good time, Yuri. I completely agree with you. The position of the mattresses is not only financially advantageous for us, but also in the security of the state. The Chinese are far behind in the production of high-temperature stability alloys (wear resistance). When buying China, it can get all the technology and after a short time lag will go into the gap (we won’t dispute the fantastic robotic ability of the Chinese). So far, the mattresses have the opportunity to influence the movement of Ukraine (the floor in the SBU is strong). Some of the engineers will scumbag the front door, someone will get into an accident. if you don’t sleep, someone to yourself, someone and two meters. The wrong nation, the Chinese, what to believe in them. But it makes no sense to export obsolete machines, for a year they set up much steeper things for themselves — documentation and specialists — the rest of the PRC has everything.
      1. Rostislav
        Rostislav 24 August 2019 08: 41
        +3
        With such methods in Israel. It is there that they are ready to kill and kill scientists of a neighboring country in peacetime in an attempt to stop technological development.
        You can get ahead in different ways. Either developing faster than others, or shooting at catching up. The second option is dead end and always leads to defeat.
        We must move forward ourselves, not the bed, which penguins will slow down the development of China.
        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 24 August 2019 08: 53
          0
          Good time, Rostislav. Maybe you're right, maybe I'm right. Time will tell. There is an old wisdom about learning from mistakes. For some reason, we will all jump on the rake. The Israeli version has not proved itself to be bad. no. So, as long as there is a grandfather is always right. If he is wrong, try to justify. With respect.
          1. Rostislav
            Rostislav 24 August 2019 12: 33
            0
            I am not saying that the "2 meters of land" method is bad. But each method has its own conditions of application. During the war - no questions asked. And without a war? Very flexible moral principles lead to the fact that they do not remain at all. Does the goal justify?
            1. zadorin1974
              zadorin1974 24 August 2019 15: 40
              0
              The worst thing is that Rostislav is not a war of the world right now. You and I can twist the polemic famously. And is it necessary? If you thought that I was wrong, this is yours. I will not change my mind - you could not provide arguments for me.
      2. Avior
        Avior 24 August 2019 09: 09
        +1
        Engineers do not solve anything there.
        Everything is decided personally by the owner Boguslaev
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 24 August 2019 16: 36
        0
        A significant part of the procurement is mainly obtained from Russia, Verkhnyaya Salda. Without them, the motor will become. If they still get it, it means that someone in Moscow is getting tired.
        1. Avior
          Avior 26 August 2019 17: 19
          0
          What blanks? Are you confusing anything?
          Motor Sich has a full production cycle, including titanium casting.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 26 August 2019 17: 22
            -1
            Do you work on a motor? The blanks for blades D - 18, nozzle units on TV - 3 - 117 and something else come from Verkhnyaya Salda. They tried many times, in Zaporozhye there is even an institute of titanium - not a damn thing happened. Some titanium parts are cast, but from ready-made ingots.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 August 2019 07: 02
    +3
    How can everyone enjoy the Soviet legacy ...
    P.S. It's time for Trump to impose sanctions on the pro-Chinese Kiev regime! am wassat
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 24 August 2019 11: 09
      +1
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      How can everyone enjoy the Soviet legacy ...

      How many years have passed, but they cannot and cannot divide everything. With the collapse of the Russian Empire, everything at the moment passed, and after the collapse of the Soviet Empire almost 30 years passed. Our fathers and grandfathers were able to build.
  6. Valery Valery
    Valery Valery 24 August 2019 07: 13
    -1
    Not those sandals lick Ukrainians.
    It's time to change the owner !!
    1. skif8013
      skif8013 24 August 2019 08: 51
      -1
      Quote: Valery Valery
      Not those sandals lick Ukrainians.
      It's time to change the owner !!

      Power is changing in Robin!
  7. svp67
    svp67 24 August 2019 07: 16
    +7
    The purchase of the Ukrainian manufacturer will allow Beijing to reduce the technology gap, and Kiev - to ensure the loading of its own enterprise, which is prohibited from military-technical cooperation with Russia, which was previously the main customer of the products.
    Here is the fact that China will ensure the loading is hard to believe. They will entice key specialists, create production, take advantage of developments and technologies, and all ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 24 August 2019 09: 07
      +3
      He already provides it.
      Long. China's largest customer has long been.
      And as for technology, they didn’t have to buy Motor Sich there, but Ivchenko-Progress Design Bureau, they are developing new engines there.
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 August 2019 09: 18
        -1
        Quote: Avior
        and KB Ivchenko- Progress

        So already, already buying up.
      2. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 24 August 2019 16: 38
        -1
        Ivchenko - Progress in a half-killed state, the last Russian advance in 2013, has long been consumed. There are no other sources of financing. KB works 4 days a week, a big reduction is coming - up to 25%.
        1. Avior
          Avior 25 August 2019 23: 12
          0
          About the motor, too, this has already been written a hundred times.
          Still working.
          I think progress is the same with Ivchenko.
          There, on one design support, twenty years of work ahead.
          If the Chinese really buy a motor, then orders will go right there
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 26 August 2019 16: 21
            -1
            Not at all, they wrote a lot of things, but now the situation is really awful on both Motor and Progress. It was only worse in the 90s.
            1. Avior
              Avior 26 August 2019 17: 16
              0
              By today's standards, quite a normal situation
  8. AUL
    AUL 24 August 2019 07: 17
    +5
    Quote: 210ox
    . And on the other hand, if it’s true about the plant in Chongqing, as if your hands do not break out, the specialists will go there.

    And we will buy engines in China.
  9. Thrifty
    Thrifty 24 August 2019 07: 31
    -2
    Trump can only bomb the motor sich!
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 24 August 2019 08: 32
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Trump can only bomb the motor sich!

      Everything goes to this. Like a dog in the manger. And I myself will not "am" and will not give to others.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 24 August 2019 16: 46
        -1
        But I wonder how Bolton imagines it. Well, let’s say they don’t let the Chinese buy, and what kind of alternative are they ready to offer internally?
  10. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 August 2019 07: 34
    -1
    Ukrainians must be personally controlled. To the noise of the wave they will take everything out.
  11. knn54
    knn54 24 August 2019 07: 38
    +1
    This is what happens when the state does not want to invest in the development of technologies. The result will be sad: money will be "torn apart", and engine building (as well as machine building in general) is an inglorious end.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 24 August 2019 21: 41
      0
      Initially, everything was bad for them ... The sales market in the Russian Federation, part of the production, too, and KB and Antonova and Motor Sich in Ukraine ..... and the wind is in their heads. And just when money appeared in the Russian Federation - a mess.
      Formula for success.
  12. RusKosTen
    RusKosTen 24 August 2019 07: 54
    0
    The legacy of the Soviet people, the pride of the industry of the Soviet Union (and we seem to be the legal successors), which is still a very promising enterprise (the same gas turbine engine for the Navy), are right in front of us when China and the United States divide when we are tearing the navel and breaking the deadlines, we are trying to create something similar from scratch. When this bacchanalia is already over ...
  13. Guards turn
    Guards turn 24 August 2019 08: 04
    +2
    China - purchase by Skyrizon Aircraft of the only Ukrainian manufacturer of aircraft engines - Motor Sich.
    Russia - The Russian Defense Ministry has nevertheless decided to dispose of the former and only submarine of the Ukrainian Navy, Zaporozhye. Russia has paid all the debts of the USSR, including for Ukraine - this plant should have belonged to Russia for a long time.
  14. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 24 August 2019 08: 06
    0
    Ukraine will soon finally turn into a farm near Dekanka .. They all destroyed, sold out, and even donated blood to the Donbass .. So what to do with them then?
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 24 August 2019 08: 22
      0
      ,, What to do with them then ?,
      Nothing .. As history has shown, betrayal is the way of survival of Ukraine and Ukrainians. If the national hero Mazepa is an example of classical Judah, then what is required of the whole people?
      1. Fayter2017
        Fayter2017 24 August 2019 11: 48
        0
        How do you sign it for the whole nation, is it a direct or true victim of a zombie? Or an ordinary troll for State Department grants inciting hostility? Reading the manuals in stamps. As history has shown, Ukrainians have always been in the forefront with the Russians. Khmelnitsky, Kozhedub, Brezhnev, Khrushchev and many others.
        Why do you persistently stick out only the negative and spread it to the whole nation?
        Who are you and who gave you the right to decide for the whole nation?
    2. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 24 August 2019 08: 52
      +2
      It’s bad when patriotism interferes with objectivity ... we see a mote in the Ukrainian eye ... we don’t notice in our logs ... in Russia we hand over entire industries to Americans ... (RusAl) .. together with Siberian energy .. silence and grace .. boats put into the water, with fanfare like a cruiser ... GDP growth of 1% .. mortality exceeds the birth rate for 2018 by 110 thousand ... people are dying ... education, medicine are killed ... And you say Ukraine. Syria, Georgia .. well, Donbass in general is a separate issue ... Regarding Mazepa ... yes, we have such crap ... There is no simple word ...!
      1. Mixanchik
        Mixanchik 24 August 2019 09: 39
        -2
        Quote: plotnikov561956
        It’s bad when patriotism interferes with objectivity ... in the Ukrainian eye we see a mote ... we don’t notice in our log.

        There is no longer a speck, but all eyes are smeared with western manure ..)))
        Quote: plotnikov561956
        .in Russia we give entire industries to the Americans ... (RusAl) .. together with the Siberian energy .. quiet and grace .. we launch the boats into the water, with pomp like a cruiser.

        Well, how can I say, while Russia is scolded and sanctioned in full (new ones are on the way) This suggests that Russia is on the right path, albeit hard, but still.
        But if they start praising Ukraine as a slap on the shoulder and pat on the cheek, then EVERYTHING (dig trenches and store salt matches ..)

        Fu damn it .... negative
    3. Alexander Ra
      Alexander Ra 24 August 2019 09: 15
      -1
      ... then what to do with them? ...
      Then - this is after the change of the anti-national course in Russia. And then everyone will figure it out.
      1. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 24 August 2019 10: 23
        +1
        The antinational course is with Gorbachov-Yeltsin. And Putin is quite a nationalist, albeit a victim of Soviet cargo-occultism (the childhood dream of jeans and chewing gum doesn’t just happen).
        If you are disgusted by working heating, clean streets, electricity without interruptions - you can move to any US ghetto (called reservations). This is the true place of the indigenous people of the whole Earth, from the point of view of Anglo-Saxon democracy.
        1. Alexander Ra
          Alexander Ra 24 August 2019 15: 17
          0
          Under the nationalist, almost all large enterprises in foreign jurisdictions, de-industrialization, depopulation? I dislike the standards of the liberal cargo-occultist, for whom logic is superfluous.
  15. Eug
    Eug 24 August 2019 08: 08
    +2
    Will it work? Objectively, this is very beneficial for Russia.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 24 August 2019 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Eug
      Objectively, this is very beneficial for Russia.

      From the moment when the PD-7, for example, goes into production, and the SSJ is redone for it. And so, Be-200 will be equipped with Chinese D-436. Although...
  16. maden.usmanow
    maden.usmanow 24 August 2019 08: 10
    -1
    In the zero ones themselves, they could buy this Motor Sich 10 times already.
    To the question of the brilliant foreign policy of Voldemort and such stupid Americans
    1. Antares
      Antares 24 August 2019 08: 37
      -2
      Quote: maden.usmanow
      In the zero ones themselves, they could buy this Motor Sich 10 times already.

      Yes, at any time, this is OJSC and not as GP ZM in Nikolaev.
      Purchased shares and all.
  17. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 24 August 2019 08: 18
    -1
    ,, Ukrainian technology ,, is the technology of the times of the USSR. Specialists fled around the world. Who washes toilets, who in Moscow, at construction sites. Who will work then on these Ukrainian technologies? .. Ragule, which remained in Ukraine? ..
    The only thing that remained capable, Ukrainian thought, was pig breeding.
    1. Fayter2017
      Fayter2017 24 August 2019 11: 53
      -1
      Yeah. So Ukrainians are high-class experts? And did you personally measure the amount of manure or do you produce it yourself? All your posts are vysery shit on the fan, you are the case of a natural stubborn ragulik who, like a maniac, sees only one negative.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 24 August 2019 16: 27
        -1
        Judging by the hysteria of your answer, ragul and selyuk and - you.
        .... and do not hysteria please. I understand .. Childhood in the village, among pigs and chickens .. But on the site, because people are common ..
        1. Fayter2017
          Fayter2017 24 August 2019 19: 52
          +1
          These are just people, and nonhumans like you, this rude hamlet, who considers himself above others, thinks that the Internet will endure everything with impunity, and therefore emits bile flows.
          And yes, he spent his childhood in the summer in the village, among pigs, calves, chickens, geese and jock (ducks), he was accustomed to working with hands from childhood and people in villages with golden hands, hard workers, unlike you, Internet trolls!
  18. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 24 August 2019 08: 24
    0
    Now, I don’t even know how to relate to it ... No matter how you turn it, nothing joyful for us.
  19. abc_alex
    abc_alex 24 August 2019 08: 50
    0


    Kiev - to ensure the loading of its own enterprise, which is prohibited from military-technical cooperation with Russia,


    Hmm ... I wonder what is stopping right now the MS MCU with a Chinese order? With China, the MTC is not prohibited.
    In fact, Boguslaev when he said that if he was forbidden to work with Russia, he would sell the plant to the Chinese. And sells ....
  20. Avior
    Avior 24 August 2019 09: 01
    +3
    The problem of the plant is that its owner Boguslavev is very aged, and he does not have an heir who can manage the plant.
    Therefore, selling is the natural way.
    The main customers have long been Chinese, so selling to the Chinese is the most natural decision to load the plant for many years to come.
    Moreover, there are no other buyers and is not expected. Unless the States will redeem.
    But this may deprive the plant of the bulk of the Chinese orders.
    As for the alleged transfer of the plant to China, it’s utter stupidity, it’s unrealistic, it’s easier to build a new one from scratch than the old one, you can transfer machines, of course, but there’s no point, most of them are not new and relatively few are unique among them.
    But to transfer equipment for, for example, precision casting of titanium and steel using investment casting will be much more difficult, if at all possible.
  21. V1er
    V1er 24 August 2019 09: 29
    -1
    Yes, everything has been bought and exported for a long time. And this is so, the leftovers eat up. It’s too late to drink Borjomi when the Chinese have become sharp. Big Chinese planes to be.
  22. Wolf
    Wolf 24 August 2019 09: 29
    0
    And how Motor Sich did not premiered in Rosiu so far? Why did they wait all the time in Russia? Now no one will stop it? The Chinese are starting life super, super power, who is able to stop their progress today? I thought it would take the Chinese 10-15 years that the bi were alone on top of the world, now I am sure that in 5 years they will be the most powerful state in the world.
  23. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 24 August 2019 09: 39
    -1
    Given the situation and attitude to science in Ukraine after the collapse of the USSR, Motor Sich is unlikely to be a leader in technologies that will compete with us, the European Union and Americans, most likely they continue to work on the remnants of the Soviet past and the authority of the enterprise rests on the name and administrative resource of the owner or directors. If this enterprise would pose any threat to us or the Americans in the field of national security, it would have long been bought at the root or eliminated in generally accessible civilized ways. And Bolton’s rhetoric fits more into the general trend of the US struggle with China’s expansion in the world.
  24. Berkut24
    Berkut24 24 August 2019 09: 51
    -2
    Such is the situation in which in any situation we find ourselves in the pros. Americans will win - Ukraine and China will lose. The Chinese will win - Ukraine and the Americans will lose, because the United States will not forgive Ukraine for disobedience. In any case, the Americans and the Chinese will lose, because in the trade war for technology, all the wounds inflicted are mutual. In the situation with Motor Sich, our destiny is to sit with barbecue on the shore and wait for 2 dead bodies to pass, one of which will be from Ukraine.
  25. APASUS
    APASUS 24 August 2019 10: 17
    0
    Here is the answer to the question about the funeral of Ukrainian industry and who bury it. Americans do not need industry in Ukraine in principle
  26. monster
    monster 24 August 2019 10: 36
    0
    "The Asian dragon knows no doubts"
  27. eagle owl
    eagle owl 24 August 2019 10: 45
    -1
    Initially, the price of the issue was - 1 lard per grain. But it was the 2014th year, and under the leadership of incl. Pentagon - supplies are torn off ... Well, now - a gay parade, guys
  28. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 August 2019 11: 00
    0

    We will not let the Chinese learn this technology

    - stated in the White House.

    Well, pure dogs in the manger! laughing
  29. Avior
    Avior 24 August 2019 11: 13
    0
    In my opinion, people do not understand.
    The Chinese aviation industry is not primarily an American competitor, but a Russian one.
    Aircraft engines are a weak link in the Chinese aircraft industry, and buying a Sich engine is primarily a competitive blow to the Russian aircraft industry on the international market.
    This concerns Americans only in the light of China’s overall strengthening.
    So in this matter the interests of Russia and the States coincide, oddly enough.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 24 August 2019 16: 41
      0
      The motor made engines for transporters and UBS, it will not help the Chinese with engines for combat aircraft.
      1. Avior
        Avior 24 August 2019 18: 30
        0
        And helicopters. And combat training supersonic, close to light combat aircraft.
        And short-lived for cruise missiles.
        In any case, this is access to technology, some of which can also be used for combat.
        1. maximnik0
          maximnik0 25 August 2019 10: 47
          0
          I watched Motor Sich magazine, librus for a long time. There were engines in the catalog for combat models too, I remembered one modernized engine model that was running MIG-21, these engines turned out to go on Granite supersonic missiles.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 25 August 2019 18: 11
            0
            Engines for cruise missiles have not been made for a long time, Russia was the customer, now it is impossible. Selling mattresses will not allow the Chinese. Regarding TV - 3 - 117, so Russia itself produces them. With the approach to supersonic sound, AI - 322, which were developed according to the Russian advance payment and commissioned in 2011 - 13, should have become. But now they are not being made - there are no customers.
            1. Avior
              Avior 25 August 2019 22: 59
              -1
              They make supersonic AI-222-25F for the Chinese, a variation of AI-322, a large order
              VK-2500 in terms of resource and reliability lags behind TVZ-117 with their spent on tens of thousands of released copies.
              The fact that some engine is not produced does not mean anything.
              Technology, equipment and accessories are retained.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 26 August 2019 16: 19
                -1
                The Chinese order - 250 AI - 222 - 25 ft, has already been practically completed, a bit is left. Its release is being established in Chongqing. Regarding VK - 2500, the Zaporizhzhya engine is better, because they invested money in the revision. But TV - 3 - 117, they do it under the Leningrad license, tomorrow Russia will also ban ffse, write letters. Many engines now simply can not do it - there is no equipment and people who could. For example, the new D-18s will not be assembled now, the old ones will be capitalized and reprofiled into the next series, now it seems 5E, so everything is not very good, as indeed everywhere in the banderland.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 26 August 2019 17: 26
                  0
                  The construction of a factory in Chongqing was stopped.
                  Anyway, it is considered as an element of entry into the Chinese market.
                  Technologies, including maps and accessories, are kept at the plant, the main backbone of production facilities, unlike other Ukrainian enterprises, is also preserved, a large volume of civil orders and orders for engine repairs from abroad have affected.
                  About the Leningrad license for Soviet engines, this is generally fantastic. Why do you think so?
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 26 August 2019 17: 29
                    -1
                    I don’t know what they stopped in Chongqing, but people go on business trips all the time. And recently, the deputy mayor of Chongqing - Du Tao, came to the factory. The motor only survives due to repairs.
                    1. Avior
                      Avior 26 August 2019 17: 38
                      0
                      They can ride, but they froze the construction.
                      The project to build a factory in China is temporarily frozen, said Motor Sich Anatoly Malysh, director of public relations at LIGA.net.

                      I did not name the reasons.
                      This news is a few days old.
                      In the summer, the Chinese signed a new agreement in which the Chinese guarantee the preservation of orders for Motor Sich.
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 26 August 2019 17: 40
                        -1
                        The kid is just a talking head, other people make decisions. The Chinese promised a lot of things, and then somehow forgot. I have no doubt that for some time the plant will need narrow-film, but not a minute more.
                      2. Avior
                        Avior 26 August 2019 19: 01
                        0
                        And I don’t say what decides.
                        He voices.
            2. Avior
              Avior 25 August 2019 23: 05
              0
              And why is it impossible for cruise missiles?
              They do, prepare for release the Ukrainian version of the x-35
          2. Avior
            Avior 25 August 2019 23: 03
            0
            Product Range Motor Sich
            http://www.motorsich.com/rus/products/aircraft/
            A large number of Soviet and post-Soviet technologies.
            The Chinese will have something to draw
  30. rocket757
    rocket757 24 August 2019 11: 33
    0
    Cool!
    I wonder what will play? Commercial interests or master whip! Something the owner of the gingerbread no longer offers!
  31. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 24 August 2019 12: 41
    0
    Keep it up the Yankees! No need to give to China. God willing, there will be another owner at this Soviet factory.
  32. iouris
    iouris 24 August 2019 13: 15
    0
    What is the Chinese word for Motor Sich and Mriya?
    Russia multiplies by division. For so many years, integration processes have failed. Technology and specialists go to China. So that's why the USSR was dissolved.
    1. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 24 August 2019 20: 11
      0
      Well, that’s how China’s entire industry grew with Soviet help.
      By the way, who does not know the fact when Mao came to Stalin in the late 1940s and begged to be accepted into another republic. To which Stalin said: "Mao, we have our people starving after the war, and here we have to feed you!"
  33. The comment was deleted.
  34. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 24 August 2019 14: 59
    0
    Not for that, Fashington bought all this territory in bulk, so that it would be sold to China.
  35. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 24 August 2019 20: 08
    0
    "According to available information, Skyrizon Aircraft is already building a plant in Chongqing in the southwest of China under the capacity of the Ukrainian enterprise."
    Well, yes, for about a year and a half in the program "Eastern Box" on "Vesti FM" they said that for Ukrainians in the subtropical zone in the vicinity of Chongqing, one of the suburbs was specially demolished and the construction of both the plant and the entire infrastructure for workers began: schools , gardens, shops ... Naturally - housing.
    If someone imagines this city as Moscow, he is mistaken: "The official boundaries of the city of central subordination set an area 470 km long from east to west and 450 km wide from north to south, with a total area of ​​82 403 km², of which 1473 km² (1,79%) is occupied by an urbanized zone, and 80 km² (930%) are in suburban and rural areas. The coldest January is + 98,21C ... The town for the factory workers is apparently ready, the workshops have been built ... It remains to do everything officially: to transfer Motor Sich to the Chinese (the main thing, of course, is licenses and specialists) ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 25 August 2019 23: 42
      0
      This is one of the administrative-territorial oddities, when in fact the province is called the city of central subordination.
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 25 August 2019 11: 21
    0
    Well, the Chinese will have newer machines and better than Ukrainian ones.
    Plus they will not offend housing and social services, that's for sure.
    Well, people can leave by plane ...
    There, the most important thing is equipment, documentation and specialists.
    Moreover, about a third of specialists are enough, some top.
  37. mintai_kot
    mintai_kot 25 August 2019 14: 37
    0
    Motor Sich, according to amers, should rest as a Ukrainian. auto industry. Nikolaev shipyards, KhTZ, etc. And "patriots" from Galicia will always support! Glory to the nation ...
  38. Ura Orlov
    Ura Orlov 26 August 2019 06: 03
    0
    Okraintsy, like the Tajiks, decided to share part of their territory with China, and the money to Kagan Ze.