Once again, Russia has “raised” the cost of living for the population

In Russia, the living wage for the population was raised. According to the portal of regulatory information, by order of the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation in the second quarter of this year, the subsistence minimum per capita is set at 11 thousand 185 rubles.

To establish, in agreement with the Ministry of Economic Development of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, the subsistence minimum in the whole of the Russian Federation for the second quarter of 2019 per capita of 11 thousand 185 rubles, for the able-bodied population - 12 thousand 130 rubles, for pensioners - 9 thousand 236 rubles, for children - 11 thousand 4 rubles

- the text of the order says.

Thus, compared with the same indicators for the first quarter, the increase in the subsistence minimum amounted to: in Russia as a whole - 4% or 432 rubles (10753 rubles in the first quarter / 11185 in the second), for the able-bodied population - 4,1% or 477 rubles (11653 rubles / 12130 rubles), for pensioners - 3,8% or 369 rubles (8894 rubles / 9336 rubles), for children - 4% or 419 rubles (10585 rubles / 11004 rubles).

In the ministry, the reason for the increase in the cost of living by precisely such amounts was the rise in price of products from the consumer basket by 3,8%.

The subsistence minimum is understood as the value of the consumer basket, which includes the minimum set of food products, goods and services necessary for maintaining health and ensuring human life. In addition, the subsistence minimum also includes the monthly payments and fees necessary for payment, such as, for example, utility bills, an apartment, etc.

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[AUL]

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

[Mixanchik]

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

Directly removed from the tongue ... The government "spoils" us .. he he

[Nick]

Quote: Mixanchik

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

Directly removed from the tongue ... The government "spoils" us .. he he

But didn’t you try to treat yourself? Or disabled?

[burigaz2010]

[quote] [/ quote] And if you are disabled? I’m limping after one fracture! So what?

[Nick]

Quote: burigaz2010

And if a disabled person? I’m limping after one fracture! So what?

I sincerely sympathize, he hurt his left one, limping sometimes when he gets sick. True disability is not made out.
Well, if there is no way to work, then rely on the state and demand that it is possible from the organs of social services. providing. Just do not whine. In the end, we often ruin our health. There is no one to blame. Or maybe there is also a side job option, with God's help. All the best.

[burigaz2010]

Quote: Nick

Quote: burigaz2010

And if a disabled person? I’m limping after one fracture! So what?

I sincerely sympathize, he hurt his left one, limping sometimes when he gets sick. True disability is not made out.
Well, if there is no way to work, then rely on the state and demand that it is possible from the organs of social services. providing. Just do not whine. In the end, we often ruin our health. There is no one to blame. Or maybe there is also a side job option, with God's help. All the best.

Judging by your previous comments you despise flawed? Do not worry, everything is fine with me!

[Nick]

Quote: burigaz2010

Judging by your previous comments you despise flawed?

And you do not poke me. Despise boors.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nick

Despise boors.

It’s a pity that you are not disabled. I would see what kind of song you would sing now.

[Nick]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Nick

Despise boors.

It’s a pity that you are not disabled. I would see what kind of song you would sing now.

Yes, I would not sing.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nick

Yes, I would not sing.

Here is how? I worked for the blind. Their salary was one third of the minimum wage. 4-5 thousand Would you sing? Not sure.

[Nick]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Here is how? I worked for the blind. Their salary was one third of the minimum wage. 4-5 thousand Would you sing? Not sure.

So you poke me for what? To raise yourself in your own eyes or from a lack of education?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nick

So you poke me for what? To raise yourself in your own eyes or from a lack of education?

Yes, I can and you, only respect for you does not rise. You, dear, work at the very bottom, where for four one prostitute a month, work, where the disabled are given crumbs, while the bosses on the BMW X 3 ride, maybe with God's help you can find an option. To myself. And the rest are so ... let them rot on the cocks ...

[Nick]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Yes, I can and you, only respect for you does not rise.

Yes, I do not need. It's just that you will not earn respect for rudeness either.

Quote: Mordvin 3

at the very bottom, where for four one prostitute a month,

I served for more than two years in the taiga, hugging with a brown bear, without layoffs and prostitutes. Nothing, and the Arkhangelsk mosquito was fed plenty, and at minus forty-five he stood at the post in a cloth overcoat and tarpaulin boots, stood in an embrace with AKM for sugare, and complained to mom in letters.

Quote: Mordvin 3

work where crumbs are given to people with disabilities, while the bosses ride BMW X 3

But it makes no difference to me who rides what, and in general envy is a sin.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Nick

and at minus forty-five at a post in a cloth overcoat and tarpaulin boots stood, in an embrace with an AKM for a sugare,

Heh, what does the service have to do with the good of the motherland?

Quote: Nick

But it makes no difference to me who rides what, and in general envy is a sin.

It will pass quickly for you when you get a stub from a humpback from the bread grown on your hump.

[K-612-O]

You, excuse me, have grown a lot of "bread" yourself? I have time to work for the good of the State and its defense and grow vegetables and fruits before my family. And I do not whine that someone owes me. I must first of all, for myself, my family and the Motherland.
And by the way, according to the law, if you raise the minimum, then the minimum wage will rise, we have recently should be no lower.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

You, excuse me, have grown a lot of "bread" yourself?

Decently. Not one thousand cars repaired. Even those who collected in the 90 e, ride around the city and are not going to fall apart.

Quote: K-612-O

I have time to grow vegetables with fruits before the family.

I’ve been the same with a shovel since I was four, so don’t. But when they steal from the garden almost from under the nose, their hands drop. Or do you suggest methyl palming? We planted one for this.

Quote: K-612-O

if you raise a minimum then the minimum wage will rise

Do not make me laugh. You can pick up anything, and you can also reduce the number of working hours, or hire in black.

[K-612-O]

In black note, citizens are hired by entrepreneurs who do not pay taxes, i.e. they steal from the people without paying to budgets and PF.

[Mordvin 3]

By the way, my native enterprise (and there was (two) a kindergarten, and a school, never engaged in such garbage. And they paid us there much better than today's businessmen pay for the same. I mean holiday pay, sick leave and everything else .

[K-612-O]

So I'm talking about those who do not pay and hire in black. Not all the same, such.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

Not all the same, such.

Yeah, so I’m thinking where to get better? To the Chinese, Vietnam, Americans, or Germans? Our ZIL profiled. Or sold. That's just the trouble, I do not want to work for either the Vietnamese or the Americans. The Chinese, and those in the second month of the opening of the car factory a bunch of workers in their canteen poisoned. I don’t care for all of us.

[Ingvar 72]

I wouldn’t sing

would howl if the family was sitting on the neck.

[yang174]

yes he’s disabled, he’s just on his head. apparently from the comment

[Nikolay Fedorov]

Quote: Nick

Well, if there is no way to work, then trust in the state and demand that it is possible from the organs of social services. providing. Just do not whine. In the end, we often ruin our health. There is no one to blame.

I’ve been many years ago, all packed with rights and benefits after leaving the army, I sent the state a forest, I live without hope for the help of the state, I earn everything myself, constantly overcoming obstacles from the state, I get exclusively paid medical care, and all other steps - also paid. But, one wonders, why do I pay such huge taxes and pay more and more new fees and fees constantly invented by the state ?! In order for the state to cynically determine the subsistence level ?! And why the hell did pensioners begin to eat less than other categories?
There is a question to which there is no answer: do people have a conscience who determine the living wage for the population at 11 thousand rubles, and at the same time they also determine their salaries, which are measured in hundreds of thousands (who is "modest") and millions of rubles per month (for less "modest") ?!

[Mixanchik]

Quote: Nick

Quote: Mixanchik

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

Directly removed from the tongue ... The government "spoils" us .. he he

But didn’t you try to treat yourself? Or disabled?

Soon, workers will envy the disabled and retired .. Everything goes to this! But the Russians do not lose their strength of mind, where ours did not disappear ... We will survive, as always in our history and wait for the moment.

[burigaz2010]

Quote: Mixanchik

Quote: Nick

Quote: Mixanchik

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

Directly removed from the tongue ... The government "spoils" us .. he he

But didn’t you try to treat yourself? Or disabled?

Soon, workers will envy the disabled and retired .. Everything goes to this! But the Russians do not lose their strength of mind, where ours did not disappear ... We will survive, as always in our history and wait for the moment.

Hi Vitaly! As they say, we will live! And then to me in PM some sort of tick and is rude!

[Mixanchik]

Quote: burigaz2010

Hi Vitaly! As they say, we will live! And then to me in PM some sort of tick and is rude!

Good evening, Michael!
You send them to me, I know this pack of professors, etc. . Good luck

[Nick]

Quote: Mixanchik

Soon, workers will envy the disabled and retired .. Everything goes to this!

There have been such entities at all times. There is now. From the army to "cut", disability due to pull or for "grandmother" to issue, and so on, and so on.

[Evil echo]

Almost all hucksters in the market with disabilities.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Mixanchik

Workers will soon envy the disabled

Meehan, I worked in the organization of the disabled (UPP VOS), and somehow it is not envious of me. And he did not envy the disabled neighbor, about 5 thousand rubles, who received it.

Quote: Mixanchik

But Russians do not lose their fortitude

I would like your optimism ...

[Mixanchik]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Meehan, I worked in the organization of the disabled (UPP VOS), and somehow it is not envious of me. And he did not envy the disabled neighbor, about 5 thousand rubles, who received it.

And when you can’t work anymore (you don’t give a disability) And they increased the pension far by five years ..
I suggest creating special battalions in Russia from those who sense that they will not survive!
How do you like Volodya? Weakly like this .. I would love to (the main thing that the family does not know) on any igil and others ..

The call will go ..

[Observer2014]

Are you still alive? Bishish! Prove ..

[Observer2014]

Proved. I remember. It was cool. From the same movie.

[img] http: // https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = bMql7t75M78 [/ img]

Have you just proved? Now? Should I feel better? No, therefore. I reeled you in a modest place! When the head is spinning. Say stop. Aha !?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mixanchik

The government spoils us .. heh heh

and then ... there’s still something wonderful! -

The Russian Guard wants to get the right to demand land and premises from the regional and municipal authorities for the duration of their combat missions. The corresponding draft is published on the federal portal of draft regulatory acts. The document is currently under public comment.

.... it’s already completely lost ..... not, well, really turned drunk ..... on them the Maidan is crying

[Nick]

Quote: Tiksi-3

.... it’s already completely lost ..... not, well, really turned drunk ..... on them the Maidan is crying

Recent events have shown that there are practically no mayduns in the country, and this is very encouraging.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Nick

Recent events have revealed

et what events ??

Quote: Nick

that there are practically no mayduns in the country

Maydaunov - no, but normal people who are not at all happy with everything that happens inside the country at 75%!

Quote: Nick

and this is very encouraging.

what exactly are you encouraging? ... to become a serf?

[Nick]

Quote: Tiksi-3

et what events ??

Yes, the Moscow circulation of a group of young.

Quote: Tiksi-3

Maydaunov - no, but normal people who are not at all happy with everything that happens inside the country at 75%!

Where does the data come from?
The election of the President of the country showed that he is satisfied with 76,6% of voters. This is approximately 52% of all eligible to vote on May 2018 of the year.
CEC data.

Quote: Tiksi-3

what exactly are you encouraging? ... to become a serf?

It is encouraging that the country will continue to develop and build, instead of burning tires, ruining the economy at an accelerated pace, fawning in front of overseas uncles, giving them the country to rob and shoot at each other and on the Maidan, and after ...

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Nick

Where does the data come from?

if there were elections today Putin wouldn’t be supported by 75% - google

Quote: Nick

It is encouraging that the country will continue to develop and build.

Stolen and kill production .....

[Nick]

Quote: Tiksi-3

if there were elections today Putin wouldn’t be supported by 75% - google

Google is not a source of reliable information, especially since it is biased.

Quote: Tiksi-3

To steal and kill production ...

inefficient and unprofitable and build new, modern. Website TimeBefore you help.

[AUL]

Quote: Nick

Google is not a source of reliable information, especially since it is biased.

But the data of the CEC - the bare truth in the last resort!

[Nick]

Quote from AUL

Quote: Nick

Google is not a source of reliable information, especially since it is biased.

But the data of the CEC - the bare truth in the last resort!

Well, at least the most reliable.

[WIKI]

Quote: Nick

Google is not a source of reliable information, especially since it is biased.

Quote: Nick

The election of the President of the country showed that he is satisfied with 76,6% of voters. This is approximately 52% of all eligible to vote on May 2018 of the year.
CEC data.

If a grandson in 4 year acquires an apartment in 500 million rubles from a member of the CEC who has never been involved in business, then what faith is there in this CEC.

[Nick]

Quote: WIKI

If a grandson in 4 year acquires an apartment in 500 million rubles from a member of the CEC who has never been involved in business, then what faith is there in this CEC.

Why tell tales? If this is true crime, then you need to write not here, but to the prosecutor's office.

[WIKI]

Quote: Nick

it’s not necessary to write here, but to the prosecutor’s office.

If you complain about the state. organs or their representatives, then do not waste your time and nerves. People trust the prosecutor’s office less than fifty percent, and the courts generally 14%.

[Nick]

Quote: WIKI

People trust the prosecutor’s office less than fifty percent, and the courts in general 14%.

I'm sure your tales are no more.

[WIKI]

Quote: Nick

I'm sure your tales are no more.

VTsIOM then believe me. And in 2019, trust will fall by another half. Https: //www.rbc.ru/society/22/05/2018/5b04004f9a7947693c8553c5

[Nick]

Quote: WIKI

VTsIOM then believe

VTsIOM is not a CEC. It does not affect the election results.

[WIKI]

Well, at least they recognized the influence of the CEC on the election results.

[K-612-O]

You would see how many enterprises, agricultural, industrial, are opened every month, only last week in Tula the metallurgical giant launched almost 2 million tons of rolled metal

[AU Ivanov.]

Which had to be covered even years ago so back as unprofitable.

[pl675]

Quote: Nick

Quote: Tiksi-3

et what events ??

Yes, the Moscow circulation of a group of young.

Quote: Tiksi-3

Maydaunov - no, but normal people who are not at all happy with everything that happens inside the country at 75%!

Where does the data come from?
The election of the President of the country showed that he is satisfied with 76,6% of voters. This is approximately 52% of all eligible to vote on May 2018 of the year.
CEC data.

Quote: Tiksi-3

what exactly are you encouraging? ... to become a serf?

It is encouraging that the country will continue to develop and build, instead of burning tires, ruining the economy at an accelerated pace, fawning in front of overseas uncles, giving them the country to rob and shoot at each other and on the Maidan, and after ...

President, before and after the last election, these are two completely different people, unfortunately, the latter is also a deceiver.

[Nick]

Quote: pl675

President, before and after the last election, these are two completely different people, unfortunately, the latter is also a deceiver.

For a long time I have not heard about doubles ....

[AUL]

Quote: Tiksi-3

what exactly are you encouraging? ... to become a serf?

No, it looks like he’s aiming at the bar!

[burigaz2010]

[/B]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Mixanchik

The government spoils us .. heh heh

and then ... there’s still something wonderful! - [b]

The Russian Guard wants to get the right to demand land and premises from the regional and municipal authorities for the duration of their combat missions. The corresponding draft is published on the federal portal of draft regulatory acts. The document is currently under public comment.

.... it’s already completely lost ..... not, well, really turned drunk ..... on them the Maidan is crying

For those who are not very smart, the question is once again, how does the Russian Guard differ from the Soviet Union? By the way, the question is, what exactly did the WG annoy you with? Ah, I realized the swamp!

[Antimonium]

How is the Rosguard different from the Soviet Union?

Yes, it is very reminiscent of "Oprichina" by Ivan the Terrible.

[K-612-O]

And what did the shooting in Cherkasy resemble?

[Egorovich]

So that they, who accepted this "increase" of the minimum living wage, live at this minimum until the end of their days. A bunch of the flawed, not the government.

[Nick]

Quote: Egorovich

A bunch of flawed ones, not a government.

Damaged here are those who rely only on a living wage from the government

[Ingvar 72]

Do you want to steal?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you want to steal?

What are you doing now?

Don’t pay taxes, but take out free education and medicine for you, yes, put it ... at the expense of, understandably, those who pay these taxes. Well, for mine, for example

[Ingvar 72]

Again the dim-witted trolling with the transition to personality, Kees.
And every time you, and others like you, stubbornly ignore a simple question - how to live for teachers, educators, social workers? How should they "work harder"?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Again the near-by trolling with the transition to personality

Where is the trolling? As for the "personalities" - yes ... the question personally to youmy friend excuse me

True eyes prick? Nothing to answer? Who then goes to the individual, are you our taxpayer?

In the States, by the way, you would already be sitting. Long and durable. And not only in the States, by the way.

Quote: Ingvar 72

how to live for teachers, educators, social workers?

And where does it? Question to you - How does your "fight for free medicine" (read - chatter on the Internet) combine with your "I work, but I don't pay taxes"?

So, every time you or someone from your family goes to the doctor, you are stealing. Including the same teachers who, we note, pay taxes.

Does conscience not torment at night? However, where did you get it from?

[Ingvar 72]

Kees's main question is pedaling again? You really are like an incubator, or a training manual alone.
P.S. and yes kitty, I pay taxes. More than 25 percent. And I asked you a question, how many percent of total taxes do you personally consider the norm?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I pay taxes. More than 25 percent

Heard.

Quote: Ingvar 72

I OFFICIALLY do not work anywhere, but I pay taxes regularly. 20% VAT, real estate tax (which is in the mortgage), transport tax, excise taxes in gasoline, Plato in each product .. It turns out in total more 25%

Man, do not distort - everyone pays it. Including teachers, you do not stand out.

But personal income tax, MHIF, pension (due to which pensioners now pensions are paid, by the way), FSS - you don't pay. But you still use medicine. That is - you still steal from everyone who pays. At teachers and pensioners, including.

And at the same time, I (and not only) are trying to read morality here. Not even funny ... buddy

Quote: Ingvar 72

I asked you a question, how many percent of total taxes do you personally consider the norm?

I'll take care of it. Tax rates are set by the state in which I live. My job as a citizen of this state is to pay them regularly, which I, unlike you, do

[Nick]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Do you want to steal?

Living within our means. Twenty years ago, the minimum wage was 81 ruble. But somehow survived. Yes, then the buck was three times cheaper, but the minimum wage has grown 155 times! From four incomplete dollars then, the minimum wage rose to two hundred bucks today. Agree, a good result for the current government, especially given its accusations of anti-nationality

[armata_armata]

Living within our means. Twenty years ago, the minimum wage was 81 rubles. But somehow survived. Yes, then the buck was three times cheaper, but the minimum wage increased 155 times!

The poor backward Baltic states, here she cries from 350 euros to 510 euros with her minimum wage ...

Agree, a good result for the current government

Yes, the result of 11 thousand is awesome, and the truth is that the Russian Federation does not have minerals, territories and technologies like the Baltic states

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nick

Quote: Egorovich

A bunch of flawed ones, not a government.

Damaged here are those who rely only on a living wage from the government

You see, sir, here you are trying to defend your point of view using one argument - "everything depends on the person himself and if he needs he will provide himself", not realizing that living conditions and opportunities for self-realization in the country are completely different, like the average temperature in the hospital. Not everything depends on the person, but with us, whether he is even seven inches in the forehead, in general, little depends. The government must create conditions equal for everyone everywhere, and not only in the territory of large regional centers, Moscow and the Moscow region. The main part of the periphery is stupidly suffering from a lack of jobs, which is the main factor that the population migrates from there to more developed regions. To start your own business is not to blow your nose in a handkerchief. you need start-up capital, an idea, its embodiment in the final product and the implementation of the product. Of the above, most people can only have an idea that crumbles to dust in the absence of everything else. If this is the North and a forest region, then thousands of people cannot acquire private sawmills (although sometimes they can, but a side effect of this "business" - millions of hectares of burning taiga), agriculture is at risk there. The service market is practically two-digit - to bring from the hospital and take it to the morgue, and along the way in the regional center to buy whoever needs what is needed. Do lumberjacks do manicures and hairstyles there? Change the sign at the bathhouse five times a month? State employees get something, but pensioners. The government has money like a makhorka fool, it does not know where to put it in, because you see the "budget rule", and the storage of excess money in the NWF over 7% of GDP is not approved by the IMF. Why is it (the government) raising taxes, excise taxes, duties, tariffs, if not burdensome, it can fill it with "extra money" through subsidies? Who cares, was it to raise the level of retirement, motivating it with the fact that there is no one to work and at the same time promote the decision to reduce the working week to 4 days? Well, now they did it good - the Russians received an increase in the daily ration (if we divide the indicated amounts of the increase of 477 rubles, 369 rubles, 419 rubles by 30 days) - by 15 rubles 90 kopecks, pensioners by 12 rubles 30 kopecks, children by 13 rubles 36 kopecks .- in some places and half a loaf of bread is not enough, - Eat, do not crap. It would be better if they froze tariffs for a year and abolished income tax on salaries less than 20 thousand.

[Nick]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Well, now you have benefited - the Russians received increased daily rations, (if we divide the indicated increase amounts of 477rub, 369 rub, 419 rub. For 30 days) - by 15r.90 cop, pensioners by 12р.30 cop., Children by 13rub.XNNX .- in places and half a loaf of bread is not enough, - Eat do not slap.

That is, living wages have increased, is it bad? I thought that an extra ruble in the pocket of a poor man is good. so on a ruble and run into pensions and salaries, and part-time jobs. My income is now small, but according to calculations, I will get an increase from this increase of approximately 1300. I used to have times much better, but now I have this money in joy. Yes, and many other IMHO will not be superfluous either.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nick

That is, living wages have increased, is it bad?

What is so bad? Only now, if they froze tariff growth for a couple of three years, it would be much better. And so, if you look at the annualized basis, multiplying the indicated amounts by 12 months, then the government allocated a new pair of shoes to each of the listed categories of citizens.

[pl675]

Quote: Egorovich

So that they, who accepted this "increase" of the minimum living wage, live at this minimum until the end of their days. A bunch of the flawed, not the government.

No money, take the minimum wage? - today's phrase from the network.

[Observer2014]

A worthy minimum to the heiress of the Great Country, who defeated fascism. The first to fly into space. Just the anniversary of the victory over fascism next year .. A decent minimum for the Russians.

[Giants]

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

Like that?

[WIKI]

Quote from AUL

Well, now let’s heal, get fat!

The government acts on the principle, "God be with us, that we are worthless."

[Svarog]

It is necessary to raise at times and not by 432 rubles .. 4% do not tell .. ZP, as the dollar collapsed, it collapsed in half, plus inflation, which is not 4% ... The cost of living should be 25 per person (at least) - this is a real figure, everything that will destroy the population less ..

[Evil echo]

Well, they will raise at times and how much will the breads cost then?

[freddyk]

Quote: Evil Echo

Well, they will raise at times and how much will the breads cost then?

Do not confuse the minimum wage with a living wage, which does not affect anything at all and is only informative, it’s simpler statistics. With which you can argue, of course. But this is just statistics.

[Evil echo]

Well yes, it doesn’t and state employees from where the salary is calculated? Here I have a wife for state employees, and her salary is directly related to the minimum wage.

[Yves762]

Quote: Evil Echo

Well, they will raise at times and how much will the breads cost then?

And why then it, the state (in general) and the government (in particular), how can we not ensure (in various ways) the correct ratio between the price of bread and salary.?.

[freddyk]

Quote: Yves762

Quote: Evil Echo

Well, they will raise at times and how much will the breads cost then?

And why then it, the state (in general) and the government (in particular), how can we not ensure (in various ways) the correct ratio between the price of bread and salary.?.

Well, dear, you are a little stuck in time :-) The Soviet government was still concerned about this. The current state is anti-people and serves only to preserve the power and security of the elites.

[Yves762]

Quote: freddyk

The current state is anti-people and serves only to preserve the power and security of the elites.

This is understandable.
Not about me.
A question about something else: Why does a "muzhik" need SUCH "generals"; why feed them?

[Nick]

Quote: Yves762

And why then it, the state (in general) and the government (in particular), how can we not ensure (in various ways) the correct ratio between the price of bread and salary.?

So raise the salary or ensure its ratio with the price of bread? It is necessary to decide something like that. The government is not the Lord; five thousand bread will not feed five thousand. Moreover, our five thousand for the most part are either atheists or unbelieving. Otherwise, they would not have blamed the essence, the government, the hell of a bald man, but would have carried their cross not November.

[Evil echo]

And the state, in general, exists just so that "bread" is enough for everyone, even for those who do not work and have never worked. When we do a lot of good things, then the salary will be enough for all this.

[Nick]

Quote: Evil Echo

And the state, in general, exists just so that "bread" is enough for everyone,

And it is enough. Bread in all stores on sale.

[Evil echo]

So because we live in the state.

[Antimonium]

"Government on another planet, dear" (film Kin-Dza-Dza)
It seems that in this film the "scoop" was ridiculed, but that's how it turns out ...

[K-612-O]

You have not lived in the USSR for already 28 years, and state regulation of prices is prohibited here + each region has its own budgets (thanks to EBN) and donors and the federal budget can only date them at the request of local authorities.

[Yves762]

Quote: K-612-O

You are not living in the USSR already as 28 years

But it was not in the USSR. Look at least at the same China to see ...

Quote: K-612-O

... we are forbidden + ...

- yeah ... universal otmaz; cast in cast iron straight. When Nagy, the constitution ruled ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Since childhood, they are inspired by the song of the crocodile Gena:
"A magician will suddenly arrive
In a blue helicopter
And will show movies for FREE.

[Nick]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Since childhood, they are inspired by the song of the crocodile Gena:
"A magician will suddenly arrive
In a blue helicopter
And will show movies for FREE.
Reply

That's it, the country of over-age kids.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And will show movies for FREE.

As it was, in my former courtyard they showed films for free. Someone pulled out a home theater. I think it was clearly not Ivanov AS.

[AU Ivanov.]

The dream of a freebie is unbeatable. Here comes the wizard and heal ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The dream of a freebie is unbeatable.

It is enough to have a fair wage. I can’t understand why, in the same climatic conditions, for one and the same job the salary varies significantly. Can you, fool, explain to me?

[AU Ivanov.]

Here, everything is simple: enterprises have different profits, respectively, and wages are different. But who will tell me why a train ticket from St. Petersburg to Vishera is more expensive than a compartment train car?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

Everything is simple here: enterprises have different profits,

Not convinced. Take water supply. The cost in Moscow is 66 rubles (cold water + sewage), we have 49 rubles, hot water in Moscow 191 rubles, we have 202 rubles. Heating with us at 300 rubles is more expensive than in Moscow (2648,30 rubles / Gcal versus 2318,59 rubles). I hope you will not argue that the ZhEK locksmith in Moscow can receive just this amount:

As for your trains, I don’t know, I have never been to St. Petersburg at all.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Evil Echo

Well, they will raise at times and how much will the breads cost then?

Everything is interconnected. The people will not bury this money, but will take it to the same stores and purchase more goods, which will spur the manufacturer to increase (expand, modernize) production, increase the number of jobs and expand the tax base, and so the economy will begin to breathe, rather than fart . We are doing everything to reduce the purchasing power of the population, which in turn leads to a reduction in production and jobs.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Nyrobsky

The people will not bury this money, but will take it to the same stores and purchase more goods ...

... mainly Chinese ...

Quote: Nyrobsky

... will spur the manufacturer ...

... mainly Chinese ...

Quote: Nyrobsky

... to increase (expand, modernize) production, increase the number of jobs ...

... in and around China.

Is that exactly what you need?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Cat Man Null

... mainly - Chinese ...... in China and nearby.
Is that exactly what you need?

Can't the cat sleep? If you give the people money in their hands, then they will invest in their producer, not relying on the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Labor. So the demons do not give. More and more people are relying on the investor from abroad, while not considering the union "state investor + people co-investor". When sanctions were pushed to the government from all sides, faced with the fact that Russia was dependent on almost all indicators by their efforts, they shook themselves in their chairs and began to do something, but after swinging a couple of times and not gaining a stable amplitude, they fell into a daze again. Well, if so, then of course the "Chinese comrades" have nothing to worry about, our government is protecting their interests.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Can't the cat sleep?

Do not sleep, do not sleep ... I am not a drinker

Quote: Nyrobsky

If you give the people money in their hands, then they will invest their producer ...

Damn, people do not buy nuclear reactors, tanks and oil. And he buys consumer goods, at a lower price, and better quality. And this is China, and not only we have China, but also China in the same States.

So the lion's share of the money will go to the dragon. Is it definitely necessary?

Quote: Nyrobsky

not considering the union "state investor + people co-investor"

People (unlike the investor) buys the final product. And not a share in the profit from the plant at the zero-cycle stage

Quote: Nyrobsky

"Chinese comrades" have nothing to worry about, our government is protecting their interests

They (comrades) are doing pretty well themselves. Or is the US State Department also on their side? Interesting thought by the way

[Evil echo]

I did not read more nonsense

. If you give the people money in their hands, then they will invest their producer, not relying on the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Labor.

Do you rely so much on the consciousness of the people that when you receive money they will work better and produce goods? You probably live in shirley-myrli. It remains to find a diamond in the Canary Islands.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Evil Echo

I did not read more nonsense
. If you give the people money in their hands, then they will invest their producer, not relying on the Ministry of Economic Development and the Ministry of Labor.
You trust in the consciousness of the people so much that Having received the money, they will work better and produce goods?

Noooooooo, not so, or rather partly so. Having received money in their hands, the people will spend it on purchasing goods and paying for services, than indirectly and will force the manufacturer to produce goods in a larger volume. This is called DEMAND. Relatively speaking, by spending their money in greater quantities, the people act as a "co-investor". If the people have nothing to spend, then the manufacturer of babos will receive less, and therefore will not produce goods in the same volumes, since it is not bought and therefore the circulation of goods and babos slows down. This is a REDUCTION OF DEMAND. From here we come to a recession and stagnation, which Rosstat, being subordinate to the Ministry of Economy (underdevelopment), gives out as a stable standing before a jump. Only where this jump will be - up or down, Rosstat does not mention, although everyone understands that any upward movement will be limited to 1%, and if a fall down, then ........ (here is the symbol of infinity).

[armata_armata]

in China

Yes, we already understood that it’s time to go under them

[svp67]

Quote: armata_armata

Yes, we already understood that it’s time to go under them

Well, since you and your ilk understood this, why is it still here, and not in Shanghai, in exile? The first of September on the nose, mom and dad do not give money?

[armata_armata]

Well, if you and your kind understand this, then why else here, and not in Shanghai

And why did you decide that here, maybe already there? Although even so soon I will even move not to dress up :)

September first on the nose, mom and dad do not give money

I would have your problems dear friend

[Nick]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Everything is interconnected. The people will not bury this money, but will take it to the same stores and purchase more goods, which will spur the manufacturer to increase (expand, modernize) production, increase the number of jobs and expand the tax base, and so the economy will begin to breathe rather than fart .

If at times, then the economy will collapse. Industry cannot instantly increase volumes; agriculture is generally cyclical. In fact, we will see hyperinflation. It is necessary to saturate the economy with means of payment gradually, according to my estimates, the money supply can be increased by a maximum of 10% per year, and not by stupid distribution of money to the population, but through financing the same infrastructure projects, lending to industry at a low interest rate. Then the money will not immediately run to the consumer market, but will make a useful productive action, simply put, they will create a useful product, a service, new jobs, etc., and only then, through salaries and social services. collateral will go to the consumer market.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nick

If at times, then the economy will collapse. Industry cannot instantly increase volumes; agriculture is generally cyclical. In fact, we will see hyperinflation. It is necessary to saturate the economy with means of payment gradually, according to my estimates, the money supply can be increased by a maximum of 10% per year, and not by stupid distribution of money to the population, but through financing the same infrastructure projects, lending to industry at a low interest rate. Then the money will not immediately run to the consumer market, but will make a useful productive action, simply put, they will create a useful product, a service, new jobs, etc., and only then, through salaries and social services. collateral will go to the consumer market.

This is understandable. It is not clear why this is not done.

[ltc35]

This is not the necessary amount of money needed by a citizen, but the minimum possible amount, so as not to stretch your legs.

[freddyk]

Quote: ltc35

This is not the necessary amount of money needed by a citizen, but the minimum possible amount, so as not to stretch your legs.

Unless I’m homeless. At 350r and he can’t run. :-)

[ltc35]

Homeless people already in some places do not take small things!

[freddyk]

Yeah, for sure.

[Nick]

Quote: ltc35

This is not the necessary amount of money needed by a citizen, but the minimum possible amount, so as not to stretch your legs.

Exactly! Gold words! And everything else must be earned.

[Sky]

Quote: ltc35

This is not the necessary amount of money needed by a citizen, but the minimum possible amount, so as not to stretch your legs.

Those. is it normal that a large number of pensioners receive a pension at the subsistence level in 9 TR, exactly enough so as not to die of hunger? And these are not parasites, but people who have worked for more than 30 years, including in well-paid jobs. This is a shame for a country that claims to be a world power.

[Nick]

Quote: Skye

Those. is it normal that a large number of pensioners receive a pension at the subsistence level in 9 TR, exactly enough so as not to die of hunger? And these are not parasites, but people who have worked for more than 30 years, including in well-paid jobs. This is a shame for a country that claims to be a world power.

To argue with your words is stupid, but at whose expense to increase pensions at least twice? Where can I get an additional 8 trillion rubles annually ?, and most importantly, will the economy be able to increase the consumer mass of goods and services by 8 trillion in a year to prevent hyperinflation?

[Edmond dantes]

There was no need to spend money from the pension to the Olympics and the mundial, you look, there would be no pension reform.

[AU Ivanov.]

You can also not clean the streets and do not build playgrounds and sports grounds in the yards.

[Edmond dantes]

Everything mixed up, horses, people ...

[Sky]

Quote: Nick

Where to get an extra 8 trillion rubles annually?

do you suggest that we discuss this with you here? I believe that it is the government's task to find money to meet social needs. If it is unable to solve this problem, you can give way to other people. The answer "no money, but you hold on" is unacceptable for leaders of this level.
Pensioners paid pension contributions all their lives, investing in the development of the economy, industry, where is the return? Stories that the budget simply does not withstand such a number of pensioners is a lie - our pension burden is lower than in many European countries. The reform of the remuneration system is long overdue and it does not consist in a primitive one-time increase in 2 times of anything, if only people get rid of it.

[Evil echo]

You are a little wrong. The minimum wage is the minimum wage, that is, with an 8-hour working day and at 23-24 or how many days a month the employer cannot pay you less than this amount.

[Angelica]

.. The cost of living should be 25 000 per person (at least) - this is a real figure, everything that will destroy the population less ..

The cost of living is when a person can support not only himself, but also 2 - 3 children. This is at least.

[your1970]

Quote: angelica

.. The cost of living should be 25 000 per person (at least) - this is a real figure, everything that will destroy the population less ..

A living wage is when a person can support not only himself, but another 2 - 3 children. What is it like minimum.

- Yes, let's get one trillion right away ... like in Zimbabwe ...

Th is trifling ....
current is the trouble - there the cake was about 100 trillion dollars

[Aerodrome]

Quote: your1970

yes, let's get one trillion right away ... like in Zimbabwe ...

[Nick]

Quote: angelica

.. The cost of living should be 25 000 per person (at least) - this is a real figure, everything that will destroy the population less ..

The cost of living is when a person can support not only himself, but also 2 - 3 children. This is at least.

And the minimum is set for children.

[Mooh]

Thank you, that's exactly what I wanted to read on the website "Military Review"

[Yrec]

The cost of living in Moscow and Ingushetia is very different.

[lis-ik]

In the most favorable scenario, a communal apartment and payments on the meters rarely drop below 5 tr., One fee for overhaul and maintenance of the housing stock is worth what, but forgot about the garbage "reform", and how to live on the remaining 5 tr? I also underestimated payments a lot.

[Svarog]

Quote: lis-ik

In the most favorable scenario, a communal apartment and payments on the meters rarely drop below 5 tr., One fee for overhaul and maintenance of the housing stock is worth what, but forgot about the garbage "reform", and how to live on the remaining 5 tr? I also underestimated payments a lot.

So there is macaroni .. there really isn’t enough medicine anymore .. but who cares. It would be nice to put all our managers on this cost of living ..

[Nick]

Quote: Svarog

So there is macaroni .. there really isn’t enough medicine anymore .. but who cares.

well, if life is hard, then medications are not needed, most likely in eternal rest.

Quote: Svarog

It would be good to put all our managers on this cost of living.

I agree. For general development, a couple of months would not hurt.

[lis-ik]

I forgot to add that this amount goes away when I deal, that I live in a country house, and the apartment is empty, i.e. the counters are not spinning.

[your1970]

Quote: lis-ik

one fee for the overhaul and maintenance of the housing stock is worth what,

-you 205 rub overhaul immediately bankrupt ??
Yes, here, on average, people at VO when they drink beer in the company - 5 overhauls at a time

[Cat man null]

Yes, this is the daughter of an officer, IMHO:

Quote: lis-ik

A communal flat and payments on counters rarely fall below 5 thousand rubles, one fee for overhaul and maintenance of the housing stock is worth what, but forgot about the garbage "reform", and how to live on the remaining 5 thousand rubles?

The monthly income of 10 kilo rubles? And 5 - rent? Well, so ahead and with the song - for the subsidy - the rent, with some persistence, is compensated

[Evil echo]

It’s possible to save a hut, and save water with light, and put garbage into the landing, as before.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Evil Echo

It’s possible to ask a hut

set a plus, hoping that this is sarcasm))

[Evil echo]

In vain, I am curious, not enough to pay for housing and food, you can settle in the village, and there are lower tariffs.

[K-612-O]

For a long time without perseverance, before a month or two, now 2-2 weeks for registration (for mom did)

[your1970]

Everything is more fun - this is the second housing, he lives outside the city ...
religion at 10 income does not order residents to let, apparently ....

[Dietmar]

Quote: Svarog

It is necessary to raise at times and not by 432 rubles ..

[yehat]

Quote: Svarog

It is necessary to raise many times and not by 432 rubles .. Do not tell 4%, ZP, as the dollar collapsed, it collapsed in half, plus inflation, which is not 4% ...

no special collapses occurred. ruble stably falls by 1 / 5 faster than dollar
and usually this EVERY year is 18-26%, on average about 21-22%. (this is according to calculations from the data of the Federal State Statistics Service).
And social support is indexed by 2-4% annually. As a result, pensions and social services. security lose their purchasing power by almost 20% annually. We just dive, and constantly and uncontrollably. As Putin said, we have a stable society. You find it funny? I don’t really. I look at how much more is needed every year to help a retired mother with money, so that she simply makes ends meet.
this year my brother and I have already added more than 100 tr to her pension. We have to force her to buy normal products that are not expired "at discounts." Sour cream instead of mayonnaise, normal tea instead of paper bags, normal meat instead of chicken stomachs. normal bread, not one that grows moldy every other day. The pension is already categorically not enough if you need to live at least a little humanly.

[Svarog]

Quote: yehat

no special collapses occurred.

in 2013, the dollar 30 rubles. cost, and in 2014 already 60 .. is this not a special collapse? The rest I agree.

[Okolotochny]

The champion of communism is worried about the dollar. Svarog, do not disgrace!

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

The champion of communism is worried about the dollar. Svarog, do not disgrace!

What shame do you think? Do you think that the Communists \ Socialists should not be interested in the exchange rate How old are you?

[Okolotochny]

Whatever I have they are all mine. For reference, in the USSR, the "official" dollar rate was printed in the central press. Do you remember how many? Let me remind you - 1 dollar to 0,90 rubles. And what was the real one? From 1 to 5 to 1 to 10. Anything to explain?

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

Have something to explain?

What should you explain? You answer my question

What shame do you think? Do you think that the Communists \ Socialists should not be interested in the exchange rate

[Okolotochny]

Svarog is a Drain. I gave an example when the authorities deliberately deceived people with exchange rates. You didn’t explain anything, there’s nothing to explain to you. And now cheeks are pouting that in 2014, the dollar has doubled. Do not remember what events led to the strengthening of the dollar? Increased 2 times. And in the 2s they really hid the course, which at least every 80 times was higher than the “official” one. I wrote to you for shame, first compare, and then beat yourself in the chest.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Okolotochny

Do not remember how much? Let me remind you - 1 dollar to 0,90 rubles.

0.62 will be closer to the truth.

[AU Ivanov.]

The real dollar exchange rate in the USSR is 1: 3-1: 4 and to the highest degree.

[K-612-O]

This is a sect of witnesses of communism, when everyone with fat was swollen. Would live in the cities of the 2,3 category of supply, so would not crucify about social justice.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

Would live in cities 2,3 supply categories

Can I have a list of these cities? I probably lived in the third, if they sold in the Pepsi suburban village, but we didn’t.

[Okolotochny]

Mordvin, you gave me a minus, but for my post of deceit, the authorities did not write for the dollar exchange rate, as did Svarog. Merged?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Okolotochny

Mordvin, you gave me a minus,

And you asked the moderator who put you a minus?

Quote: Okolotochny

and for my post of deception, the authorities did not write for the dollar exchange rate, as did Svarog. Merged?

As far as I remember, the dollar officially cost 60 kopecks, unofficially - 3 rubles. And where did you see the deception of power?

Quote: Okolotochny

From 1 to 5 to 1 to 10.

What criteria did you calculate?

[AU Ivanov.]

The real dollar rate is the market rate. 1: 3 - 1: 4 on average. And so from 3 to 15 years in prison.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

The real dollar rate is the market rate.

How much did the risk of imprisonment affect the course?

[K-612-O]

For example, Akhaltsikhe, Bikin, Krasnoturinsk, there were problems with the butcher (beef and lamb - deficit, blue chicken and pork stew mostly, I am silent about sausages, only on holidays) the ocean store was only in Bikin. I am silent about consumer goods in general.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

beef and lamb - deficit, blue chicken and pork stew mostly, I am silent about sausage, only on holidays) the ocean shop was only in Bikin.

Heh, they didn’t bother about meat, the grandfather of pigs kept, usually sausage went to Moscow for sausage. Hens, yes, were blue. We did not have an Ocean store, but for some reason there was a fish.

Quote: K-612-O

I am silent about consumer goods in general.

What is wrong with them? Personally, I was only strained by the shortage of tape cassettes, I usually bought them at the flea market, although I took them a couple of times.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: K-612-O

For example, Akhaltsikhe, Bikin, Krasnoturinsk,

These are still small cities, and also, for example, the city of Gorky, hungry, dirty and drunk. Because it was closed because it worked at the Moscow Region.

[AU Ivanov.]

All Non-Black Earth: Pskov, Novgorod, Kalinin, Vologda. For meat, butter, sausage, chicken, either to Moscow or to Leningrad. The famous Vologda oil in Vologda was not to be bought.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

chicken or to Moscow,

I also live in the Non-Black Earth Region, so we had enough chickens in stores until salmonella was announced at the end of the 80's. And there was enough oil.

[AU Ivanov.]

In Novgorod, chickens were sometimes thrown away. But they drove for food to Leningrad - they were there stably. For rags there, with a certain amount of luck, you could buy Czech shoes and Polish shirts.

[Nick]

Quote: yehat

Quote: Svarog

It is necessary to raise many times and not by 432 rubles .. Do not tell 4%, ZP, as the dollar collapsed, it collapsed in half, plus inflation, which is not 4% ...

no special collapses occurred. ruble stably falls by 1 / 5 faster than dollar
and usually this EVERY year is 18-26%, on average about 21-22%. (this is according to calculations from the data of the Federal State Statistics Service).
And social support is indexed by 2-4% annually. As a result, pensions and social services. security lose their purchasing power by almost 20% annually. We just dive

You are cunning, confusing inflation and devaluation. Do not confuse inexperienced site visitors with these questions.

[yehat]

Quote: Nick

You are cunning, confusing inflation and devaluation.

I didn’t say a word about inflation or devaluation, maybe you are confusing something?

[Nick]

Quote: yehat

Quote: Nick

You are cunning, confusing inflation and devaluation.

I didn’t say a word about inflation or devaluation, maybe you are confusing something?

It was you who spoke of them, without calling a spade a spade. Slyly.
The decline in the value of the dollar against the ruble is a devaluation. And the rise in prices in the domestic market is inflation. Although inflation and devaluation are correlated concepts, they are not a causal relationship, and are not directly dependent.

[your1970]

Quote: yehat

Sour cream instead of mayonnaise, normal tea instead of paper bags, normal meat instead of chicken stomachs. normal bread, not one that molds every other day.

- I can assure you, the tea bags are the same as in the packs, just a fine fraction. It does not go into packs because it gives a residue to the bottom, which confuses the consumer. It is screened out and packed in bags ....
And yes, at the same time the bread is just better and more natural - the one getting moldybut when a chemistry wagon is in it, it may lie for a month ... Fighting short shelf life from producers

[Sky]

Quote: your1970

And yes, at the same time, the bread is just better and more natural - the one that is moldy, but when the chemistry carriage is in it, it can lie for a month

Good homemade baked bread does not grow moldy or stale for many days. Now on the shelves there really is a lot of bread for the poor, worth 15 p., I can only suspect what it is made from. But we are very proud of exporting grain abroad. I would be proud if this parody of bread disappeared from the shelves and even the poor could buy quality bread.

[Svarog]

Quote: Skye

I can only suspect what it is made of. But we are very proud of exporting grain abroad.

Moreover, the highest-grade grain goes abroad .. and they feed us with bits and pieces .. Mlyn capitalism ..

[K-612-O]

Kizyaki is still likely. It is better, like in Khrushchev, to kill Canadian wheat and ruin 30-40% of their harvest when harvesting from 17 to 25 centners per hectare.
Now, by the way, the share of feed and fodder grain in our country is no more than 30% of the crop, the technologies for harvesting feed are different. Low-grade wheat has simply become unprofitable.

[Svarog]

Quote: K-612-O

more like Khrushchev, Canadian wheat

Now whose is our wheat? That's when off topic do not write better bullshit .. For your information, all seeds are bought from us .. do not believe me, ask knowledgeable people .. Even those who grow tomatoes in the country, they don’t buy ours .. But in the USSR, everything it was your own .. You apparently do not imagine the scale of the disaster ... All our pork, chicken, everything is grown on Western feed, additives, disinfectants ..

[K-612-O]

The feeds are just ours, the problems with the genetic material are big, I agree. But with N.S. We bought grain, ready, our sorry did not have enough. They could not really store and recycle. There are still a lot of problems, but they must be progressively and evolutionarily solved. Too little time has passed since the collapse of the collapse of the country in order to reach some sky-high levels of development and welfare, although it is now much higher than 10 years ago.

[Svarog]

Quote: K-612-O

Too little time has passed since the collapse of the collapse of the country in order to reach some sky-high levels of development and welfare, although it is now much higher than 10 years ago.

naively you argue .. the story to help you is about time. 20 years is a whole generation .. already tired of telling about Stalin and what were the times and for how long from a country with 14% of educated people, a country that was essentially purely agrarian, for 18 years turned into a leading world industrial power .. more times , under the conditions is much worse than now ..

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Svarog

tired of already talking about Stalin and what were the times

how old are you if you found Stalin in those days at a conscious age?

[AU Ivanov.]

And how was it with the well-being of people, with the quality of life, with services and facilities, with affordability and assortment of goods? With security housing. With passenger transport? An industrial power, of course, it is charming, but a power living in barracks and communal apartments?

[your1970]

Quote: Svarog

I’m tired of telling you about Stalin, and what were the times and for how long from a country with 14% of educated people, a country that was essentially purely agrarian, for 18 years it turned into a leading world industrial power .. once again, under the conditions it is much worse than now. .

-there is just a trap ..... more precisely 2:
1) you could be forcibly sent to Siberia, for example, in a tent to live on a construction site of the century, and you could not refuse. A little later, it began to be called "on the Komsomol party ticket." And no one worried about your unwillingness to go ...
.and yes, there were quite a few more people who went (under Stalin) - than on the spot
2) you couldn’t take it and quit just like that - you don’t like it or do not pay enough - the decree on fixing at the workplace was valid

Yes, now 99,999999% in such cases, in a week they will begin to howl at the moon

[Edmond dantes]

About welfare higher than 10 years ago, you probably joked?

[AU Ivanov.]

Judging by traffic jams and the lack of parking spaces in the yard (although parking has recently been expanded with lawns), it’s better. 10 years ago, calmly parked the car at any time of the day or night. Now after 8 pm - alas. Traffic jams 10 years ago were also much thinner.

[Edmond dantes]

Change manuals, write about cars already bad manners.

[AU Ivanov.]

Yah? If a person does not have enough money for a living, then he will not buy a car, especially an expensive one, will he?

[Okolotochny]

Seeds purchased. Again nonsense. For all regions I will not be in the Kuban, all varieties of wheat and barley - Domestic Selection! The main developer of KNIISH! And who puts advantages for silly posts? Ignoramus?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Okolotochny

And who for the silly posts puts you pluses? Ignoramus?

Methodical trolls

[Okolotochny]

Roman, welcome. So, before from the training manual, “thoughts” would be posted on the Internet. And so, their fat and muslim - they stood up in silence, shook themselves off and continue to post agitation.

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

Seeds purchased. Again nonsense

Nibble form ...

Most of the planting material for agricultural holdings and gardens, we still buy abroad.

By the way, the so-called “GM genocide” in India is associated with the sterility of transgenic cotton seeds and the ability of pests to develop resistance. In 2006-2011 in this country, 8 thousand ruined farmers committed suicide. There they began to grow GM cotton with great enthusiasm and practically wiped out traditional varieties. At first, crops were growing, and the cost of pesticides, on the contrary, decreased, and then everything was the other way around, and farmers began to go bankrupt. Those who tried to save on buying material for a new crop and sowed seeds collected from GM cotton were particularly affected - they did not shoot and the crop disappeared. It is scary to imagine that this could happen with us. After all, our peasants could also act, as in India.

Nevertheless, the problem of the penetration of GM seeds into Russia is very acute. Now there is a merger of two giants producing GM crops, the Monsanto and Bayer companies. Their connection requires permissions from antitrust organizations in many countries, including Russia. Negotiations with our FAS have been going on for a long time, and the other day, this agency announced that permission would most likely be issued. They will do this in exchange for the creation by Bayer of a technology transfer center in Russia, as well as the transfer of new technologies and the possibility of access to a genetic data bank. However, experts fear that this could be a loophole for the legalization and penetration of GM crops into the country.

https://www.mk.ru/economics/2015/04/13/rossiya-zavisit-ot-importnykh-semyan.html

Mordvin, you gave me a minus, but for my post of deceit, the authorities did not write for the dollar exchange rate, as did Svarog. Merged?

You have merged and especially for you, I will repeat my question:

The champion of communism is worried about the dollar. Svarog, do not disgrace!

What shame do you think? Do you think that the communists / socialists should not be interested in the exchange rate?

P.S. And it is extremely difficult to answer your question, since it is not formulated. Formulate more specifically. And where did the dollar exchange rate in the USSR we discussed the collapse in 2014 and the consequences of this collapse?

[Okolotochny]

Svarog, I have been working in agriculture for 12 years, you better google it. For winter seeds (what is winter to chew?) - Domestic selection, developer KNIISH them. Lukyanenko, from the memory of the variety - Thunder, Tanya. For import selection - this is the bulk of oilseed sunflower and sugar beets, partly corn. Once again - winter and soy are domestic seeds, almost 100% of the market. You are forming on the Internet, I’m in practice. Do you need to be transported further by agricultural? And for the cotton that you posted - Extravaganza! Where is Cotton grown in Russia?

[Okolotochny]

I formulate, you are outraged by the double increase in the dollar. 1. What was he connected with? With sanctions, Crimea. That is, you do not care about Crimea, but the dollar exchange rate worries you. 2. Then mention that the Communists deliberately hid the ruble against the dollar, which was formally underestimated by more than 5 times. I look forward to your indignation about the deception of the entire people of the USSR.

[Svarog]

Quote: Okolotochny

When you mention that the communists deliberately hid the ruble against the dollar, which was formally underestimated by more than 5 times. I look forward to your indignation about the deception of the entire people of the USSR.

The people of the USSR did not care about the dollar, our economy was self-sufficient .. and the people of the USSR were not at all interested in the dollar, just as now U.S. citizens are not interested in exchange rates, unless of course they are currency speculators.

Quote: Okolotochny

I formulate, you are outraged by the double increase in the dollar. 1. What was he connected with? With sanctions, Crimea. That is, you do not care about Crimea, but Vasya cares about the dollar exchange rate.

The fact that Crimea returned home is very good. But with the return of Crimea, I personally hoped that the internal policy of Russia would also change, money would stop investing in the economy of the "partners", they would start engaging in corruption ... not indicatively, but systematically, in general I thought that the government would have to work seriously, but the government preferred, the easiest way, to rip off the population of the country .. Yes, it was possible in this case to be patient .. but you have to endure together, the "elite" must also endure and bear the costs, but what is really? There are more dollar billionaires, as well as beggars in Russia.

Svarog, I have been working in agriculture for 12 years, you better google it.

I don’t need to google, I work in an agricultural holding and I know that as before, almost everything is purchased abroad ..

[Okolotochny]

In which agricultural holding? Specializing him? Livestock, crop production, poultry farming? Specifically, the nomenclature of purchases abroad? And who do you work with? I work in a position that allows analysis to be carried out on purchases, and on production, and on sales. Once again - what agricultural holding? His specialization. But Juche’s theory is not doing well. Do you know the concept of drip irrigation? Now almost all farmers and farms (for fruits and vegetables) use it. Do you know his ancestors? “A quarter past our people,” Israel. So move the idea to abandon the fabrications of the capitalists. The economy was not self-sufficient in the USSR. Why then did they sell oil and gas? To have foreign exchange earnings for the purchase of other types of goods. The same factory in Togliatti. They bought the whole plant, Carl! What kind of self-sufficiency are you talking about? Have you ever worn jeans, body shirts, leather jackets, Yugoslav and Romanian shoes in Soviet times? So it was all acquired For Currency. Stop nonsense to post.

[Okolotochny]

And I specifically painted you a condition with selective seed work. So disprove?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Okolotochny

... specifically ... refute?

"Svarogs" do not know how "concretely". They were not taught this. Now your opponent will start throwing dung, wait, sir

Quote: Okolotochny

Stop nonsense post

But how can they "stop" - they can't do anything else

[Sky]

The opponent has already given the link: https://www.mk.ru/economics/2015/04/13/rossiya-zavisit-ot-importnykh-semyan.html
“Today, our country can only provide itself with its own wheat seeds. For vegetables, especially potatoes, sugar beets, corn, sunflower, we are seriously dependent on imports.“ Our seed production uses technologies that are 20-30 years old, ”the vice president replies. Russian Grain Union Alexander Korbut "Many of our scientists have left to work in foreign breeding centers. Of course, there is no danger that someone will stop supplying us with seed. But we need new breeding achievements."

Here are the numbers for 2015:
"In 2015, imported seeds in the total volume of sold seeds of sugar beet accounted for 75%, sunflower - 44%, corn - 45% and vegetables - 34% [4]. At the same time, today the picture is likely to worsen."
[4] Moskalenko T.A. Priority areas of legislative support for the development of agriculture. 2017.S. 23.

Here are the numbers for 2018:
“The share of seeds of foreign varieties of agricultural crops in 2017 was: sugar beets - 98,8%, sunflower - 59,4%, potatoes - 54,0%, corn - 51,2%, winter rape - 46,1%, peas - 36,8%, soybeans - 28,8%, long-flax flax - 22,1%. Filed by the FCS of Russia, in 2017, 85,7 thousand tons of imported seeds were imported into Russia for a total of 24139,4 million rubles. ”
http://nbgnscpro.com/sites/default/files/images/fails/koncepciya_razvitiya_semenovodstva_2018.pdf
I do not work in agriculture and I can be mistaken, but looking at these figures, the situation with seeds seems to only worsen.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Svarog

All our pork, chicken, everything is grown on Western feed

not everything is as sad as you write

[Okolotochny]

Western feed. 90 percent of the feed - this is the grain components, wheat, barley, corn, peas in different proportions. And there are additives - Premixes. For the most part, these Premixes are produced in Russia. Your opponent does not know this.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Okolotochny

Your opponent does not know this.

he seems to know a lot of things

[your1970]

I've been going to my mother here on field roads, fields that were abandoned for 25 years and where the elms grew three-meter-all were plowed to zero. There are places where even during the Soviet Union they did not plow, but now they plow and sow ....
In another place, even the old 2 villages abandoned before the revolution smelled (they had adobe houses), they used to be tilled and that's it. Last year we drove two bulldozers, pushed clay into a ravine and plowed
Seeds plant our winter - imported for the Volga region and our steppes are too expensive

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: K-612-O

Low-grade wheat has simply become unprofitable.

Wow! And for some reason, agrarians think differently.

From 1 to 4, the class is food wheat. All that was previously called fodder, according to the new GOST - this is the 5 class. In the Rostov Region, wheat of the 1 and 2 classes is almost impossible to meet.

“The main thread is 3, 4, and 5. Wheat, as a rule, these classes we have. I personally came across the 2 class, but that was many years ago. Today, if there is such grain, then this is a very, very small percentage, ”says Svetlana Emelyanova, head of the laboratory of the Center for Grain Quality Assessment.

To the question, where is the grain of the 1 and 2 class, the manufacturers answer.

“Inappropriate. And you won’t get bread from it, from the 1 and 2 classes, only pasta, ”explains the director of the agricultural enterprise Yuri Kuznetsov.

Growing wheat of the 1 and 2 classes in the Rostov Region does not make sense for two reasons. Firstly, climatic conditions do not allow. Higher classes are mainly given by spring durum wheat, and we traditionally grow winter and soft wheat. Well, and secondly, there is no demand for the 1 and 2 classes.

“3 is the most popular class. It is clear that some pasta or some other bakery and confectionery products from flour, which is made from the 1 and 2 classes, they are in demand. But this is not such a massive consumption and not so much the need for this grain. Therefore, before investing in just such a direction and striving to grow it, you need to think very seriously, ”says Elena Bakeeva, editor-in-chief of Vestnik APK.

The entire grain export market is focused specifically on the 3 and 4 classes. Turkey takes the 3 class with pleasure, the countries of Africa, Southeast Asia and the Middle East - the 4 class.

http://dontr.ru/novosti/khlebnyy-vopros-pochemu-ne-vygodno-vyrashchivat-vysokoklassnoe-zerno-/

[Okolotochny]

Mordvin, did you learn to post nonsense from Svarog? Understand first, where does the 1st and 2nd class wheat grow? In the south of Russia it is not. And not because they don’t want to, but because she Can’t grow there! The main place is Altai.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Okolotochny

Mordvin, you learned to post nonsense from Svarog? Understand first, where does 1 and 2 class wheat grow? In the south of Russia it is not. And not because they don’t want to, but because she Can’t grow there!

That you post nonsense. Tell me directly that the yield of 1-2-th wheat is lower, and therefore it is simply not profitable for you to grow it. In our Tula region in the 80 they could grow it, but today they have forgotten how to do it, so what?

[Okolotochny]

Right, not profitable, neither today nor yesterday (under the USSR). Also not fools were sitting in the Council of Ministers. Or do you think it is necessary? Are you not one of those who were planning to turn the river around? Think alike. And if you grow spring wheat and barley in the South, are you aware that then you need to rebuild All Agricultural Production in the South of Russia? Count and cry. And once again I repeat - stop posting crazy thoughts on the wave of uracommunism.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Mordvin 3

In our Tula region in the 80 they could grow it, but today they have forgotten how to do it, so what?

In our Moscow region in 70, and corn was grown ... so what?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Cat Man Null

In our Moscow region in 70, and corn was grown ... so what?

We, too, had much more than now. About the wheat.
See for yourself:

Quote: Okolotochny

And I repeat once more - stop posting delusional thoughts in the wake of uracommunism.

You simply feed us some brown substance, joyfully shouting that we are ahead of the rest. Delusional thoughts? Sorry, but my dad is a tractor-combine operator, I all shook 80 with him on state farms, so I know a little about what I'm writing.

[Okolotochny]

If not in the subject, then do not write nonsense; grain corresponding to grade 4 leaves abroad. Major Turkey, Egypt. Export contracts do not indicate the class, but the content of Protein. Higher grades are grades 1 and 2. In Russia, they are not grown much, compared with the next three classes. You wrote lies.

[K-612-O]

That's about bread is not necessary, I myself bake his house or wife. If you didn’t eat it right away, then on the 3rd day it becomes dry or stale, unless of course it is custard or dough.

[Sky]

I also bake, so I repeat again, on the 3rd day my bread does not become stale and all the more moldy.

[your1970]

Quote: Skye

I also bake, so I repeat again, on the 3rd day my bread does not become stale and all the more moldy.

-you apparently have a non-aggression pact with yeast ....
Or do you bet on dough ...

[Sky]

Quote: your1970

-you apparently with a yeast non-aggression pact .... lol

surely I use the most common domestic yeast, in bags, bake in an electric bread maker, what am I doing wrong, I don’t know ...

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Skye

Good homemade baked bread does not grow moldy for many days

Is milk that doesn’t turn sour for 15 days also good? By the way, the rye bread that I buy in the store also does not mold for 5 days, then I don’t know, because he doesn’t lie anymore - I’m eating.

[Sky]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

Is milk that doesn’t turn sour for 15 days also good?

I don’t know, I don’t buy ultra-pasteurized milk with a shelf life of 3-6 months. And milk from under a domestic cow can turn sour very quickly.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Skye

I'm ultra-pasteurized milk

I'm talking about regular milk from the store

[Sky]

So they sell such milk in stores ... it happens even with a shelf life of 5 days, sometimes I take it

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Skye

shelf life 5 days

before the autopsy, I'm about open

[Sky]

well, it’s logical, open milk with a shelf life of 5 days the next day will turn sour, and open ultra-pasteurized with a period of 3 months will stand as if nothing had happened, so it’s impossible to make fermented milk products, yogurt, etc.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Skye

well, it’s logical, open milk with a shelf life of 5 days the next day and turn sour

and so it does not turn sour

[Sky]

then the cow was well fed with antibiotics)) well, I don’t know, it turns sour here, try other manufacturers

[Evil echo]

You still forgot to mention medicine and rest.

[parusnik]

In ready .... if you drink with this money, you can earn cirrhosis of the liver, if you have it, obesity, and feed the pigeons and sparrows on the leftovers to the city of Paris with white loaf ...

[Nick]

Quote: parusnik

and feed the pigeons and sparrows to the remnants, to the city of Paris, with a white loaf ...

In Paris, with a white loaf, you need to earn money, and not count on a living wage or minimum wage.

[parusnik]

Well, yes .. the acquaintance works in RVK as the deputy head of the department, the salary is 11, the tension, the bonus goes somewhere until 500, the girls working there get about 17 ... You, like Dmitry Medvedev, don’t like the salary, go to business. ..A acquaintance is about to leave, found a place, a guard in Surgut, on a rotational basis ... Come to our town, in his place, show how to earn money .. It is almost always vacant ...

[Nick]

Quote: parusnik

.You like D.A. Medvedev, do not like the salary go to business ...

The business is not worth it. It is not possible to start a serious business until business loans become affordable and cheap. Verified by personal experience. Loss of time and large sums.

Quote: parusnik

Come to our town, in its place, show how to earn .. It is almost always vacant ...

I already found a part-time at my place, thanks for the invitation, I also guard in the evenings, and at the same time tidy up the premises. Well, who needs more (everyone has a different situation) may be in Surgut, on a rotational basis, as an option. Well, do not whine and scold the authorities in the end. They don’t pay money anywhere. We have to look for either part-time jobs or more paid professions to master.

[parusnik]

Do you have a license to be a security guard? Yes, and about cleaning the territory do not hang on your ears ... Another friend is an ecologist by education, higher education, worked, worked ... reduced ... at 55, retrained as slingers, there was an oversupply in our labor market, but more of -for age, now he is being retrained as a security guard in order to get a license, unemployment benefits are below the subsistence level, it is good that his wife works ... But if he was alone ... with such a salary, you will find a part-time job, how will you guard the premises and clean the territory ... My friend, unlike you, is a quitter .... And there would be no other forest in the steppe like that, but he is retraining to the guard, from the slinger .. . More examples.? ... We have a Cossack University, a branch ... the faculty of winemaking there .. Do you think they then work in their specialty? No ... this is in the area where grapes are grown ... Once living in Leningrad-Petersburg, there were acquaintances who worked at defense enterprises, when the state turned to them in one place, they also "whined" .. that's all bad ... the orders came, not long ago we came to visit on the way to the Crimea, it’s different, when you tell how we have here, what is your reaction: Well, do not whine and scold the authorities in the end. They don’t pay money anywhere. We have to look for either part-time jobs or more paid professions to master..... I forgot about the four-day working week for 5 hours ... and I could not find a side job ... And as for the whining, where did you see in my comment? I am happy .. As people like my acquaintances, they’ll now begin to live better ... And there are more sausages, and there are not enough parking lots for cars and we go to import ...

[AU Ivanov.]

Do not exaggerate. Small business is an affordable occupation. Like self-employment.

[Ronald Reagan]

Medvedev is 100% right: the only way to earn really big money is to go into business. In addition, now it is not a problem to move to another city or country. The population has a lot of opportunities to change their position, but there is no desire.

[Nick]

Quote: Ronald Reagan

Besides, now it’s not a problem to move to another city or country

Abroad, rolls from the sky also do not fall. He visited both Europe and the USA, in the USA for about three months. There are also enough problems, but a simple guest worker cannot find qualified work. As a cleaner in the pool, in the building materials store as a loader. And one and a half two thousand bucks a month in Russia money, in the states of a penny. About like 25-30 of thousands of our wooden. Only there, for some reason, they are sure that they live best. Maybe the climate?

[Ronald Reagan]

Attitude to work is different. In a nutshell: working hard is already a happy person. To fully explain the phenomenon, it is necessary to make a separate excursion into the history associated with the Reformation.

[Antimonium]

Are you offering retirees to move to another region and go into business? Or a young family with a child, when the queue in kindergarten needs to get up in the first stages of pregnancy? Or a family that has already taken place, where more or less earning money is in danger of reduction? It is not known whether there will be a workplace in the new place in the specialty for everyone.

[Ronald Reagan]

Interesting logic. Why do anything at all? Lie on the sofa, cross leg and scribble complaints about the government on the Internet.

[your1970]

Quote: Antimony

Or a young family with a child, when the queue in kindergarten needs to get up in the first stages of pregnancy?

-I bet you live in a big city ...
In small ones - there are no problems with kindergartens for a long time - so that it is the turn to wait 2-3 years

[AU Ivanov.]

If a person puts up with such remuneration, then it suits him.

[Mixanchik]

Soon we will generally "live" when we move on to a four-day working week, most of them will pay just this living wage .. Oh, Russia, we are patient people, for the time being.

[yehat]

Quote: Svarog

in 2013, the dollar 30 rubles. cost, and in 2014 already 60 .. is this not a special collapse?

there was no such change. There were many, but not 100% per year.
look at the statistics. Of course, any currency rates can be found on the market and the stock exchange, but in general, the market is reflected close to the truth through RBC and the rates from the Federal State Statistics Service, and less jumped there.

[Svarog]

Quote: yehat

there was no such change. There were many, but not 100% per year.

Why do I need to look at statistics, my friend bought an apartment in Moscow on this collapse, since he always kept money in dollars .. It's strange that you do not know about this collapse. You are probably not from Russia?

[K-612-O]

Why store money in dollars if you earn rubles? Foreign currency mortgages on this occasion pleased: they took and thought that they were smarter than everyone, and those who were in rubles as a result were in a better position.
And what will the currency traders do when the dollar crashes all the same, and according to all the incoming information, the collapse will soon be not weak (the US mortgage bubble is already bigger than in 2008) + they will not agree with the amers, according to the Minister of Commerce of China. So there’s not long before a really big crisis, or until another war (with Iran, for example) that will blow up a large region.

[Svarog]

Quote: K-612-O

Why store money in dollars if you earn rubles?

So I thought so, being unreasonable ... I earned then very well and was a patriot cheers .. in general I was stupid .. When there were savings, I began to build a house, and my comrade said so, Russia does not produce anything and the ruble is very vulnerable for this reason I transferred surplus money into dollars .. As a result, I have an unfinished house, he has an apartment in Moscow .. here it is, if very briefly.

[K-612-O]

Well, I have a completed house and I keep the money in rubles, in a bank. Cash is practically ruled out of life. And probably I will remain with the opinion that in what currency you earn, in that and spend and keep.

[Svarog]

Quote: K-612-O

Well, I have a completed house and I keep the money in rubles, in a bank. Cash is practically ruled out of life. And probably I will remain with the opinion that in what currency you earn, in that and spend and keep.

Siluanov is you? What do you think, in what currency do managers of state corporations, deputies, members of the government, oligarchs keep their money?

[K-612-O]

For the managers of Rosatom, I can definitely say that in rubles. Somehow it turns out, and I would say their income is not very fabulous, high of course, but not hundreds of millions or yards.

[Svarog]

Quote: K-612-O

and managers of Rosatom

and sorry Mr. Kirienko I confused you with Siluanov You personally manage the accounting department of Rosatom managers .. Sorry for the humor .. I hope I did not offend you, but I understand you

[AU Ivanov.]

Best stored in a dual-currency basket: fifti-fifti. In any case, stay with your own.

[lis-ik]

Quote: yehat

there was no such change. It was a lot, but not 100% per year

Come on you. In 2014, people bought bundles of cars and household appliances, stupidity, of course, but for a few days the bucks reached a hundred in exchangers. These are the sanctions from the government and the central bank.

[reservist]

Quote: yehat

there was no such change. There were many, but not 100% per year.

EUR from February 2014 to February 2015, USD "jumped" about the same ...

[yehat]

Quote: lis-ik

I still underestimated the payments very much.

in my house, 35m odnushka costs 4.500 + overhaul fees of about 150 + payments for sparkling (from 300 +) + communication (usually from 400) - this is the minimum, it’s just lower and there is not much cheaper in the city (June data).
Total almost 6 tr per month. Plus, the cost of replacing meters, which for some reason must be constantly changed after 3 years. Plus separately on the intercom.

[lis-ik]

Quote: yehat

overhaul about 150

I have for odnushku 46,5 overhaul 820 rubles. Content 1242 rub. Here is such money down the drain.

[your1970]

Quote: yehat

Quote: lis-ik

I still underestimated the payments very much.

in my house, 35m odnushka costs 4.500 + overhaul fees of about 150 + payments for sparkling (from 300 +) + communication (usually from 400) - this is the minimum, it’s just lower and there is not much cheaper in the city (June data).
Total almost 6 tr per month. Plus, the cost of replacing meters, which for some reason must be constantly changed after 3 years. Plus separately on the intercom.

- after 3 - only on hot, cold after 6 years

[yehat]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: yehat

there was no such change. There were many, but not 100% per year.

Why do I need to look at statistics, my friend bought an apartment in Moscow on this collapse, since he always kept money in dollars .. It's strange that you do not know about this collapse. You are probably not from Russia?

I never had the money to buy dollars)))
so their course for me is mostly theoretical
and in Europe and Japan, where I was, in the course of the yen and the euro.

[kefan]

This is the "increase", so the "increase", where is so much money to put!

[lis-ik]

Quote: kefan

This is the "increase", so the "increase", where is so much money to put!

So with precision on the turn. It’s up to you to pay more, according to their modest estimates, and yes, it turns out we’re not bad at living.

[Ura Orlov]

Oh well done workers of the Ministry of Labor, have set themselves a decent salary.

[yehat]

Quote: lis-ik

Quote: yehat

there was no such change. It was a lot, but not 100% per year

Come on you. In 2014, people bought bundles of cars and household appliances, stupidity, of course, but for a few days the bucks reached a hundred in exchangers. These are the sanctions from the government and the central bank.

if there is a good canopy out of town, I recommend buying Japanese women
they depreciate less than a dollar for a year, even if they just stand on the street (under the roof)
and remain completely liquid.

[Reserve buildbat]

Perfectly! Raised the cost of living. That is, the deputies are sure that you can live on this money. So it is necessary to equate their salaries to this minimum and simultaneously deprive ALL privileges and privileges. They say you can live - let them set an example.

[Van 16]

Filing from the master's table, so that in old age the children would feed them so.

[yehat]

Quote: Nick

It was you who spoke of them, without calling a spade a spade. Slyly.
The decline in the value of the dollar against the ruble is a devaluation. And the rise in prices in the domestic market is inflation. Although inflation and devaluation are correlated concepts, they are not a causal relationship, and are not directly dependent.

But this only indirectly refers to what I said, and I spoke about the purchasing power of currencies. And I deduced their attitude not from exchange rates, but from an analysis of real purchasing power in non-speculative segments of the market (for example, cutting hair or the price of chicken).
Moreover, if in the short term one can notice a wobble of exchange rates and their influence, then during the analysis (and I spent the last 10 years) these jumps are smoothed out. I have already given the entire analysis and its methodology here on the site in the comments to the topics at least 3 times, I do not want to repeat it.
The main thing is that exchange rates and their ratio gradually come to close ratios of real purchasing power, regardless of the degree of jump, and this is the only connection.

[Piramidon]

In Russia, the living wage for the population was raised.

Traders are not fools either. As soon as the cost of living rises or pensions and benefits increase, they instantly rewrite price tags in their stores.

[Antimonium]

Moreover, ahead of the increase.

[yehat]

Quote: Piramidon

Traders are not fools either. As soon as the cost of living rises or pensions and benefits increase, they instantly rewrite price tags in their stores.

this mainly concerns only part of traders related to short-term sales.
for example, havchik in stores. And industrial goods, real estate, fuel do not jump so fast,
more precisely, they do not react so sensitively to minor changes. But raising the minimum (and related payments) is still a minuscule. This is much less than the revolutions controlled by one Chubais.

[pl675]

Quote: Nick

Quote: pl675

President, before and after the last election, these are two completely different people, unfortunately, the latter is also a deceiver.

For a long time I have not heard about doubles ....

it’s not hard for me to recall - he promised not to raise the retirement age under his presidency, he was chosen (they believed for the 4th time) and he immediately did not give a damn about his promises and people.
but you pray for it, we do not bother you.

[Shelest2000]

by order of the Ministry of Labor of the Russian Federation in the second quarter of this year, the subsistence minimum per capita is set at 11 rubles.

That's it, now you can certainly not deny yourself anything ...

[pafegosoff]

And how much does this Golikova get and those like her. This is the one that raised the retirement age to 65 ...

[afrikanez]

All, to the last, officials should be put on a "living wage", maybe then they will learn to count.

[Bshkaus]

I don’t know how others, but I really didn’t have enough money to pay: /
It’s good that the brains were enough in the old days not to get into the mortgage and loans for a new car, but to honestly save up and buy real estate abroad (just in case, since I foresaw such an outcome of events).
So personally, I don’t really care, I’ll go in for farming, I’ll feed myself so precisely, not only the patriot should think about his homeland, but also the motherland not to forget his sons, otherwise it turns out a nipple system: blow in one direction, and from the pipe ...

[signifera]

Not a living wage, but a minimum amount that allows you not to die for a while. Guys formulate a little incorrectly. Provided that you don’t get an apartment, a car, things, furniture, household appliances and other appliances, since there’s nothing to do with anything unnecessary, pure mood for survival.

[APASUS]

the subsistence minimum also includes the monthly payments and fees required for payment, such as, for example, utility bills, an apartment

These are economists, I understand!
If, for example, I will receive a minimum wage, then I will not be able to eat the communal payment of communal services, about how

[serge siberian]

The subsistence minimum is understood as the value of the consumer basket, which includes the minimum set of food products, goods and services necessary for maintaining health and ensuring human life. In addition, the subsistence minimum also includes the monthly payments and fees necessary for payment, such as, for example, utility bills, an apartment, etc.
But only goods and services, like everything else, are definitely not included in this amount. For a one-room apartment, pay for housing and communal services when no one lives there, 2500 rubles, without a phone and "garbage." And the deputies only gave 15000 for breakfast last year, and they their salaries are not enough. Yes, and they are purchasing prices such as picking up. From the ceiling, that's for sure.

[Chaldon48]

That's why they are great people "top", I do not know by what parameter, except for the salary that is not reached for the majority.

[Chaldon48]

And when will I be blamed for so unheard of benefits?

[Brigadier]

That's always the case.
Now the people will grow fat and fatten by leaps and bounds, and the unfortunate "servants of the people" are again left without an extra penny ...

Poor. How they live, they will be starving ...
All for the people! Nothing for yourself!

[paul3390]

Quote: Nick

But didn’t you try to treat yourself?

Yes Easy! Can only then I will not pay all sorts of taxes and deductions? If now he should rely solely on himself?

[PValery53]

Slightly raising the living wage for the people, we must not forget to sharply lower the "cost of living" for all kinds of rich "Buratin"!

[Zomanus]

Yeah. And then they are surprised that we don’t have enough teachers and hospital staff write entire applications for dismissal ... Don’t you understand that this is calculated for state employees?