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Sohu: Chinese army despises Soviet cap

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Since its inception, uniforms have been a means of identifying the armed forces. In this regard, the Soviet cap became an alien symbol of the Chinese army, which could not take root in its ranks. This opinion is expressed by Sohu.




In the early years of statehood, our country was trained by the USSR. At this time, our military uniforms, under the strong influence of the Soviet style, were mostly acceptable, but still caused a lot of discussion.

- notes the designated edition.

As it indicates, after the introduction of the Soviet-style cap, which generally corresponded to Western standards, it was poorly received by the soldiers and caused strong resistance from the officers.

Firstly, hatred was due to the widespread use of this headgear among Americans and nationalists [Kuomintang]. Secondly, contempt was due to the fact that the cap was required to wear to one side, which did not meet the traditional criteria of the Chinese “right dress”. Thirdly, the left half of the short-cut, almost bald head turned out to be naked, which was perceived as an emphasis on ugliness.

Despite the great explanatory work, the requirements of the lower classes to replace the headgear remained unchanged. In the end, the cap, which took only four years, went out of use

- explains Sohu.

At the same time, the publication indicates that during the opening of the Air Force Day in September 2011 in Changchun, three members of the aerobatics team appeared publicly in caps, which, although for a short time, returned this headgear to army life after more than half a century of oblivion.

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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 22 August 2019 03: 53
    +21
    Sohu: Chinese army despises Soviet cap
    because the cap was like a cap apparently .... feelto me "news" ... we also laughed. and even on the "Yudashkin" headdresses for officers, they frankly whinnied!
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 22 August 2019 04: 01
      +19
      Yes, and in the CA, they often laughed at the cap ... especially when it was "incorrectly" put on and it took a "flattened" look ... And they said: "What does your cap look like ...?" feel
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 22 August 2019 04: 41
        +78
        And in the SA they often laughed at the cap.
        Still, they laughed not at the cap, but at the coulems and sluts, on which the uniform sat like a scarecrow. In the early 70s, 4 years old I had to wear a cap with cotton in the school - comfortable, beautiful (girls liked better caps) and practical. And what do the Chinese and Sohu in particular think of me, honestly speaking on the drum.
        1. eagle owl
          eagle owl 22 August 2019 04: 59
          -2
          Yeah. and "at the top of the cap, at the bottom of the accordion" - did it apply only to the kulems, or to all the screws? Although it is, of course. more show-off from for example border guards)
          1. CommanderDIVA
            CommanderDIVA 22 August 2019 07: 55
            +3
            There is a legend that Khrushchev said that the PV is the shield of our homeland and the rest of the troops are screws that are screwed on, so wearing a cap in PV is a sign of bad taste, although since then it has been issued by army guards since then, border guards have called it screws (top view of the cap) or watermelons (red clearance or edging on a green background) but now with the change of form this tradition is becoming a thing of the past
            1. SASHA OLD
              SASHA OLD 22 August 2019 14: 02
              +10
              Quote: CommanderDIVA
              There is a legend that Khrushchev said that the PV is the shield of our homeland and the rest of the troops are screws that are screwed on, so wearing a cap in PV is a sign of bad taste, although since then it has been issued by army guards since then, border guards have called it screws (top view of the cap) or watermelons (red clearance or edging on a green background)

              Yes, this joke in the early 00s was widely heard by many.
              probably even if I were much older than age, I still would not have worn a cap - for I served in PW.
              but if so ..
              from the side, from films of the Soviet era
              cap is one of the symbols of a victorious soldier, a liberator warrior
              as a hat or in terms of practicality, I do not consider it:
              a cap (cap) is closer to me - there is a sun visor, there are "ears" - from dust (it even came in handy a couple of times), the cap can be removed and hidden almost the same way as the cap, a properly knocked-off cap holds its shape perfectly and looks good
              but the cap is not a symbol of Victory, it is not a symbol at all
              1. krillon
                krillon 22 August 2019 19: 56
                +6
                Hi colleague. In the eighties, the cap went to the p / w and the parade, we already changed into camouflage with a beret, which is good, the cap is not comme il faut on the physico and flanks. But the warriors also found a way to wear caps with a special chic. About seaman with a peakless cap and say why, eagles!
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            1. mojohed2012
              mojohed2012 22 August 2019 12: 31
              +6
              Something the Chinese in recent years have been constantly criticizing someone. It’s for weapons similar to them, now for the uniform, then evaluating the correctness or incorrectness of the behavior of politicians and military countries of the world. Do the Chinese themselves understand anything in the war? Where did they fight with an equal opponent or organized terrorists? I remember only the suppression of the Tiananmen tanks and a rare massacre with the Uyghurs. Where are these our partners in Syria?
              In the end: what is the Chinese correctness based on real combat use and experience? But in nothing. We decided that size and quantity matter and that's it!
              I remember in the Red Army at the beginning of the 40, they also thought so and in 1914 they associated themselves with a steam rink (of course, some royal generals)
              1. Conrad
                Conrad 23 August 2019 20: 32
                +1
                Quote: mojohed2012
                Do the Chinese themselves understand anything in the war? Where did they fight with an equal opponent or organized terrorists? I remember only the suppression of the Tiananmen tanks and a rare massacre with the Uyghurs.

                In fact, the Chinese troops are the only ones on equal footing with the Vietnamese who have the real experience of a full-blown war with real Americans !! And by the way, together with the Koreans, they gained real victories over them !!!
                1. nafanal
                  nafanal 24 August 2019 07: 33
                  +1
                  Do not tell me .. she’s a funny pilot ... Imperial China in the 19th century wasn’t only lazy. What kind of Americans did they fight with? They still lick at Formosa ...
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 22 August 2019 05: 36
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          They still laughed not at the cap,

          I agree with you ... Basically, in the commentary, I explained in what cases "laughed"! hi
        3. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 22 August 2019 06: 33
          +5
          the devil knows him) I personally didn’t find them especially, but I always tried to understand why she was needed at all) I have nothing against it all the more so in some sense it’s something like a symbol. but in the modern world it really looks funny)
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 22 August 2019 07: 40
            +14
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I personally didn’t find them much, but I always tried to understand why it was needed at all.

            needed as a headdress (joke) Found, both on an urgent, and a cadet. I was glad when she was introduced as an element of the officer’s uniform. More than a cap (that's where the mockery is) and did not wear. Kepi ​​somehow did not find, or rather, did not wear, because of the complete absurdity of this headgear, preferring a cap.
            Quote: carstorm 11
            but in the modern world she really looks funny

            I wouldn’t say so, the uniform of the French pilots always caused sympathy precisely because of the cap, and they, in my opinion, even the police wear it. And in any case it is better than it takes, at least in practicality.
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 22 August 2019 15: 28
              +10
              Quote: Pedrodepackes
              And in any case it is better than it takes, at least in practicality.

              We drank from our caps. Gather water in a stream and you can normally drink. Then wet on the head, in the July frying, beauty and good.
              1. Pedrodepackes
                Pedrodepackes 22 August 2019 15: 59
                +5
                Quote: 30 vis
                We drank from our caps.

                and we, on the experience in Belarus, picked blueberries there, and then poured over the edge into our mouths, the back corner was always blackened))
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 22 August 2019 09: 37
            +43
            Quote: carstorm 11
            the devil knows him) I personally didn’t find them especially, but I always tried to understand why she was needed at all) I have nothing against it all the more so in some sense it’s something like a symbol. but in the modern world it really looks funny)

            In fact, the cap appeared in the tsarist army with military pilots as a distinctive element of their profession and precisely because of the convenience of its application. Let me remind those who did not wear it that the cap first folds easily and takes up little space. Secondly, her lapels easily cover her ears and neck, which in our dank weather conditions in autumn and spring is a big plus. Thirdly, the helmet sits better on the cap, which is also important when wearing it for a long time. And fourthly, less material and standard hours are spent on the cap, which in the conditions of a millionth army has a significant advantage when choosing a headgear.
            PS Lovers of "green caps" - hell, you can sleep on a cap, but on a cap it is nothing to drink too much, even at a lecture, not to mention other extreme situations ..
            1. intuzazist
              intuzazist 22 August 2019 15: 03
              +7
              And a liter of beer is included in the cap ............
            2. Dmitry 80
              Dmitry 80 22 August 2019 16: 04
              +2
              The "beaters" do not have green caps, but bandanas or berets. It is better to sit on a bandana and a helmet, and now multi-bandanas have gone too, there only to tighten their tails.
          3. Shkodnik65
            Shkodnik65 22 August 2019 12: 34
            +5
            the devil knows him) I personally didn’t find them especially, but I always tried to understand why she was needed at all) I have nothing against it all the more so in some sense it’s something like a symbol. but in the modern world it really looks funny)
            The pilot, as a headdress, appeared at the beginning of the 20th century in the Russian Imperial Air Fleet, as the pilot (pilot) could easily put it under a belt or shoulder strap after removal so as not to interfere, and then put it on again without any problems, which is why the cap is.
            1. KLV
              KLV 22 August 2019 16: 06
              +4
              ... put on
              1. Shkodnik65
                Shkodnik65 23 August 2019 12: 25
                +1
                Pardonte, feel described, of course put on
        4. svp67
          svp67 22 August 2019 06: 36
          +6
          Quote: rotmistr60
          At the beginning of the 70's 4, the school had to wear a cap with cotton - comfortable, beautiful (girls liked better caps) and practical.

          I wore it the same, but I will say right away that the capi that appeared along with the "Afghan women" is better. Including because of the visor. Although the cap, when it was returned to the officer's uniform, he wore with pleasure.
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          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 August 2019 13: 04
            +5
            Quote: svp67
            I wore it the same, but I will say right away that the capi that appeared along with the "Afghan women" is better.

            Yes, because of the visor is better than the cap. The pilot is better not in combat conditions. Behind the "black river", where they wore "kepi", I liked the Asian "panama" more, it was better to close my eyes from the sun.
        5. Letun
          Letun 22 August 2019 06: 59
          +6
          Quote: rotmistr60
          I had to wear a cap with cotton - comfortable, beautiful (the girls liked better caps) and practical.

          What is practical cap? Maybe it protects from the sun, from wind or rain? Could it be warmer in cold weather?
          1. Pedrodepackes
            Pedrodepackes 22 August 2019 07: 21
            +4
            Quote: Letun
            What is practical cap?

            and flyer lol Pilot, from the word pilot, hence the logic. But we can really fly ...
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 22 August 2019 07: 24
            +2
            Well, it’s just for the serviceman that practicality is understandable) the ability to wear under a helmet, plus identification. quite reasonable. but with practicality it does not fit very well.
            1. eagle owl
              eagle owl 22 August 2019 08: 03
              +2
              You can take off and drive under the epaulette. Agree, everything is better than carrying a cap in your hands ... Although a cap is more practical - a visor
              1. mmaxx
                mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 47
                +2
                And the soldier of the USSR Armed Forces epaulettes were sewn.
                1. novobranets
                  novobranets 22 August 2019 14: 23
                  +6
                  Quote: mmaxx
                  a soldier of the USSR Armed Forces epaulettes were sewn.

                  And the soldier of the USSR Armed Forces had a waist belt. yes
                  1. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 22 August 2019 14: 56
                    0
                    Something I don’t remember this form of clothing: a cap for the belt. Not allowed. Sloppiness.
                    1. novobranets
                      novobranets 22 August 2019 16: 42
                      +3
                      Quote: mmaxx
                      Not allowed. Sloppiness.

                      I agree. But she is always at hand, and putting it on to avoid foreclosure is a matter of a second.
                    2. ccsr
                      ccsr 22 August 2019 17: 57
                      +2
                      Quote: mmaxx
                      Something I don’t remember this form of clothing: a cap for the belt. Not allowed. Sloppiness.

                      Yes, come on — during work or in class, the cap was usually removed and it was possible to plug in a belt.
                      Quote: Uhu
                      Although a cap is more practical - a visor

                      The pilot could be put in an officer bag, but with a cap this trick did not pass. And in terms of weight and volume the cap was less than the cap that appeared in the eighties.
                      1. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 22 August 2019 18: 24
                        +1
                        The soldier has no bag. And take off is not supposed. You can leave, lose, etc. A backup allowance is not provided. It is impossible to buy in our time. Just steal it or get it from friends in the warehouse / kapterka. In general, also steal. So the pluses are zero.
                        What just do not come up with an excuse. Ceps are 100 times more practical in everything.
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr 22 August 2019 19: 34
                        0
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        The soldier has no bag.

                        Even from a gas mask?
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        And take off is not supposed.

                        It should be in the classroom.
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        Just steal it or get it from friends in the warehouse / kapterka. In general, also steal. So the pluses are zero.

                        The foreman you had was worthless - always had a normal replacement fund for such cases.
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        What just do not come up with an excuse.

                        It’s interesting how many years you wore a cap?
                      3. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 19
                        0
                        He wore exactly as much as all - 2 years. Except winter. And I justify my opinion. And laying down for a belt is considered a convenience ... Hmm .. Somewhat strange. Since the main function is to be on the head.
                        That which is justified at one time and under certain conditions does not mean that it is also good at another time and suddenly.
                        Which, in general, is written in a Chinese article. What is half the people writing about.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 00
                        +1
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        He wore exactly as much as all - 2 years. Except winter. And I justify my opinion.

                        I wore a little more, and my opinion is justified by everyday experience, which just says that the cap in most cases is much more convenient than other hats.
                      5. mmaxx
                        mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 24
                        0
                        [quote = ccsr] [quote = mmaxx] The soldier does not have a bag. [/ quote]
                        Even from a gas mask?
                        [quote = mmaxx]
                        Am I from this place somehow completely nitsche not understand? Where did you serve yourself? Went the whole service with a bag from a gas mask?
                        Yes and as be there is an opinion that something to shove something in a bag with a gas mask. And without a gas mask no one wears it.
                      6. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 02
                        -1
                        Quote: mmaxx
                        Where did you serve yourself? Went the whole service with a bag from a gas mask?

                        I’ve always been with you on alarm, and I was supposed to be with her at the ZOMP classes. However, your two years of service is too short a time to draw thoughtful conclusions about the comforts of the cap.
                    3. Shishiga
                      Shishiga 22 August 2019 19: 10
                      +4
                      Command - "Take off the hats". "Enter the dining room" - well, where are you going to shove her darling ??? In pocket?? And she will be darling fearing like a half-chewed cow.
                      So no (rasp ..) sloppiness, only for a waist belt.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 23 August 2019 18: 35
                        -2
                        Quote: Shishiga
                        Command - "Take off the hats". "Enter the dining room" - well, where are you going to shove her darling ??? In pocket??

                        By the way, the field cap of officers is the most inconvenient element of uniform not only in combat conditions, but also in exercises. This will be confirmed by the one who wore it in Soviet times, which is why they have great respect for the cap. True, when half-woolen caps were introduced, they somehow did not think over the issue of canceling field caps - at least that was before the collapse of the USSR, as far as I remember.
                      2. Shishiga
                        Shishiga 25 August 2019 18: 54
                        +1
                        In the late 80s we were given "Afghan women" - so when they introduced p / w caps to everyday uniforms in the form of jackets, the issue with field caps had long since resolved, in connection with the receipt of caps.
                    4. Seergey
                      Seergey 23 August 2019 15: 42
                      +3
                      You are mistaken!
                      At the entrance to the dining room - together a whole company of their caps for a belt on the left side. Came out of the dining room - put on.
                      And at work the same way.
          3. CommanderDIVA
            CommanderDIVA 22 August 2019 07: 57
            +7
            Its only plus is the convenience of sticking and wearing behind a belt
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 23 August 2019 18: 37
              0
              Quote: CommanderDIVA
              Its only plus is the convenience of sticking and wearing behind a belt

              Not only - it was easy to wash and iron.
          4. svp67
            svp67 22 August 2019 08: 20
            +4
            Quote: Letun
            What is practical cap?

            Yes, and it has advantages, especially in comparison with the previously used budenovka, it could be safely worn under a steel helmet, it is compact enough and comfortable to wear when removed, and of course it is very cheap and adapted to mass production
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 46
              0
              Nuuu, compared to the Budenovka, the cap really drives.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 22 August 2019 12: 50
              +9
              Quote: svp67
              it could be safely carried under a steel helmet, it is compact enough and comfortable to wear when removed, and of course it is very cheap and adapted to mass production

              WWII showed what is convenient and what is not. Pilot, padded jacket, tarpaulin boots, they also won the war, along with the PCA and T-34, as well as our people.
        6. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 22 August 2019 07: 43
          +5
          Quote: rotmistr60
          I had to wear a cap with cotton - comfortable, beautiful (girls liked better caps)

          Of course ! The officer's garrison cap made of sches and with colored piping looked quite "impressive" on the head of a "dashing hussar", thunderstorms of the garrison ladies ... wink and kept in shape better than hebash ... But hebash is still "another difference"!
        7. Alex20042004
          Alex20042004 22 August 2019 17: 28
          +4
          I suspect that the 2 chelas who put "-" - these are those slobs! laughing laughing laughing
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 22 August 2019 08: 00
        +11
        What cap is to blame ??

        Great hat. Easy. Comfortable beautiful and good instead of pillows ..
        You did not try to put on a donkey cap ....? Also funny ....
        1. VeteranVSSSR
          VeteranVSSSR 22 August 2019 08: 19
          +15
          Great hat cap:
          - hide the cigarette, attach the thread with a needle, instead of the cap comforter, gut! ", well, and the command to prepare personal belongings for inspection" must be remembered by all servicemen ...
          1. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 22 August 2019 08: 24
            +3
            Who slanders the Pilot - that one never had and never wore it!
            I understand them - in a gas mask in the summer at +30 it is better, and even in the field on plowed ..
            1. VeteranVSSSR
              VeteranVSSSR 22 August 2019 08: 43
              +1
              I didn’t read everything right, but I don’t approve, but in our case I didn’t wear it, but it’s not convenient ...
            2. To be or not to be
              To be or not to be 22 August 2019 09: 01
              +2
              ... it happens .... believe-practical and convenient ... verified ..
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 22 August 2019 09: 50
            0
            Quote: VeteranVSSSR
            instead of a comforter ,, gut! ",

            ?
            To put it mildly, instead of a cap comforter it is inconvenient. Even caps are better in that capacity.

            Quote: VeteranVSSSR
            thread a needle

            can be anywhere. But to use it will not work. Rusts.
            One of the military d..izm. The needle must be kept in the backpack.

            Quote: VeteranVSSSR
            , prepare personal belongings for inspection '' all servicemen should remember ...

            Uh ...
            Not everyone in the disbath served a term. laughing

            "For inspection". And not "personal belongings", but specifically indicated. For example, "needles, threads for inspection"
      3. eagle owl
        eagle owl 22 August 2019 08: 28
        +8
        These are far away:
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 44
          +3
          That’s how it should be.
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        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 22 August 2019 12: 54
          +3
          You look at newsreels: there all the soldiers of the Red Army wore their caps "incorrectly".
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 August 2019 12: 47
      +2
      Quote: Aerodrome
      ... we chuckled too. and even on the "Yudashkin" headdresses for officers, they frankly whinnied!

      Well, it's like from another planet.
  2. Ka-52
    Ka-52 22 August 2019 04: 27
    +7
    in the photo, set as an illustration for the article, obviously not the Chinese what
    1. Astra wild
      Astra wild 22 August 2019 06: 40
      +3
      If I was not mistaken, then our guys are in the photo
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 22 August 2019 16: 14
        +1
        And photos and videos from the children's (rather teenage) 2-part film "Breakfast on the Grass".

        And this is a shot from the children's film "Seven Soldiers".
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 22 August 2019 18: 34
          -1
          Having served in that army all these films are impossible. Visiting a fairy tale.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 22 August 2019 19: 41
            +2
            But are you forced to watch these films?
            By age you are clearly not a teenager or a child!
            Watch "Do ONCE ..." or "Fan", "Rock Tragedy"!
            You have your own life experience! Others have their own!
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 25
              -4
              Such hav @ ₽ & # (but I won't even include it.
    2. Avior
      Avior 22 August 2019 09: 00
      +3
      Frame from the Soviet film Breakfast on the grass.
  3. mmaxx
    mmaxx 22 August 2019 05: 06
    -26
    The most idiotic headdress for a soldier. Some problems. Because of that, apparently, and introduced.
    1. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 22 August 2019 08: 20
      +8
      Sorry, what problems ???
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 31
      -5
      I see that everyone liked my comment.
      The only function of the cap is to cover your head. And that’s all. Everything is awkward in her. But no: the helmet on top does not interfere with jamming. But cheap. On a soldier in the USSR they saved on every thread and grain of pearl barley.
      For example, I served in the Mongolian People's Republic. In summer +36 in the shade (32 is already cool coolness), in the sun up to +55. So tell me: nah (@ # ₽ (&) ra me there a garrison cap?
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 22 August 2019 16: 21
        +1
        And you did not receive a panama?
        My father served 3 years in the Engineering Troops (StroyBat) in the North. Kazakhstan and wore a panama!
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 22 August 2019 18: 26
          -4
          No panam. No smoothed collar, no light boots. Zrachka only for such places. A little more oil, a substitute for coffee in the morning with a dry, something there is even more.
          What was there that the native country did not spare the soldier. I have never been given growth forms for 2 years. I had to get through friends. Dibilism.
          Someone here called it the wrong army ....)) It is that. She was like that. And the soldier's cap is a fragment of the Second World War.
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 22 August 2019 19: 47
            +1
            I can only sympathize with you! And no more.
            Sometimes they gave me special clothes of the wrong size.
            It happened!
            So, I advise you to perceive the situation ... well, let's say, as a harsh reality given in the sensations.
          2. mmaxx
            mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 28
            0
            Who set the minus - justify. So I don’t care. I'm just wondering what I wrote wrong here? For each letter I can answer.
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 11
            0
            Quote: mmaxx
            That one. She was like that.

            Do you want her to be a pioneer camp? Do not tell, the army is certainly not sugar, but for some reason the vast majority of those who served in it normally, always note that it gave a lot to understand life. You are out of luck - the lesson was wasted, judging by your childhood grievances ...
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 23 August 2019 17: 18
              -3
              Do not make me laugh. I have something to say. I won’t. And so here the whole swamp stirred up some kind of cap. Will be no longer in the subject.
              Someone else will educate me ...... hehe. Look into the eyes.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 23 August 2019 18: 27
                -1
                Quote: mmaxx
                Someone else will educate me ...... hehe.

                Relax - you are hardly interested in anyone from this point of view.
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          4. sergeant
            sergeant 24 August 2019 02: 06
            0
            Quote: mmaxx
            No panam. No smoothed collar, no light boots. Zrachka only for such places. A little more oil, a substitute for coffee in the morning with a dry, something there is even more.
            What was there that the native country did not spare the soldier. I have never been given growth forms for 2 years. I had to get through friends. Dibilism.
            Someone here called it the wrong army ....)) It is that. She was like that. And the soldier's cap is a fragment of the Second World War.


            Well, the Charter was not read there either, right? About "... hardships and deprivations of military service ..." The pilot has something to do with it? Maybe you just didn’t have enough handkerchiefs, wipe the tears and nozzles? )))
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 24 August 2019 04: 25
              0
              I already wrote about this somehow. Gentlemen online scribblers! If you do not like my point of view on any question, then please argue with my point of view. And to transfer to personalities in an impersonal space, that is, it is safe for your mask, is a sign of a troll, and it’s simply not worthy of a man. If you want something from me personally: write a personal message, there we will somehow agree.
              You, personally, what do you think: a cap is suitable for the Gobi Desert, where it is very hot in summer?
              About difficulties is not necessary. There are difficulties, but there are difficulties created.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 August 2019 12: 55
      +6
      Quote: mmaxx
      The most idiotic headdress for a soldier

      So they served in the wrong army.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 22 August 2019 13: 20
        -1
        And in what? 86-88
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 22 August 2019 05: 07
    +15
    I did not feel much sympathy for the cap, in terms of convenience I preferred the "Afghan". Of all the shortcomings of the Soviet era uniforms, I consider the deaf fastening of the collar and the invariable noose tie (herring). I was very happy when they were allowed to wear a shirt without a tie (especially in the summer heat).
    What Yudashkin did with a military uniform, I consider abuse and mockery.
  5. Grits
    Grits 22 August 2019 05: 08
    +13
    Personally, it seems to me that the cap is not quite practical, comfortable and effective. Although quite spectacular. Especially in marine uniform. And on the girls.
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 32
      +1
      On the naval form, the Air Force is an acceptable addition. At the officers. The soldier wore this while taking off for sleep.
      1. Elephant
        Elephant 22 August 2019 15: 27
        +1
        And personally, I liked to wear a cap, though behind a belt. And nothing was falling from his head when, following in a wilderness, he jumped from a high fence.
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 22 August 2019 18: 36
          +2
          Interestingly, the plus is wearing around the belt. Then a plus. And on the head?
  6. almost demobil
    almost demobil 22 August 2019 06: 16
    +5
    Stupid and uncomfortable headgear. If you wear according to the charter, that’s what they called ..... (by analogy with the female genitalia). When they entered the caps, they breathed a sigh of relief.
  7. apro
    apro 22 August 2019 06: 44
    +9
    Yes, I do not like the cap ... but half of Europe went through it. There we did what .. as in the kirzachs. As the clothes were changed everywhere and drowned. They were beautiful in berets and caps.
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 22 August 2019 07: 07
    +11
    Sokhu can write nonsense as much as he wants, thereby reducing his image. And it would be better if they wrote that the USSR defeated Hitler in this cap, while the Chinese army, regardless of the cap or cap, was "empty-empty" in domino terminology. And without the Russian Vanya, they would lick the shoes of the Japanese now, so don't open your mouth too much, or you will devour the "fly". Black ingratitude in my opinion is not in honor in the East, although ...
    1. Hagalaz
      Hagalaz 22 August 2019 07: 20
      +3
      In the wrong steppe. Let's get the PCA back, the tar with the disc and the t-34. We will pray for them as an icon and feel that we are not victorious.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 22 August 2019 07: 26
        +6
        Yes, you need to pray for these rarities, because thanks to them you now write all kinds of nonsense. And without them it is not known whether you would breathe now or you would not even be in the project.
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 22 August 2019 07: 32
          +3
          You write nonsense in patriotic frenzy. I am no less proud of your past victories. And you confuse the warm with the solid. People write about the practicality of the cap as such and give arguments, and you are cut for patriotism.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 22 August 2019 18: 38
          -4
          Quote: Ros 56
          Yes, you need to pray for these rarities, because thanks to them you now write all kinds of nonsense. And without them it is not known whether you would breathe now or you would not even be in the project.

          So put them in a museum and pray. There, Kutuzov-Suvorov won the heap. Continue to continue the thought?
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 22 August 2019 18: 42
            +3
            Without your advice, they are in museums, as well as the ammunition of Suvorov times. Not all the same Ivana do not remember kinship like you.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 23 August 2019 01: 20
              -1
              Then I will continue the thought. Take the clothes of the Suvorov miraculous heroes and dress the army. In such clothes, she tore all the enemies to shreds. And arm with muskets.
              This is all sacred.
              And those who offer drones, etc. overseas things - Ivanes do not remember kinship
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 12
                0
                Quote: mmaxx
                Take the clothes of the Suvorov miraculous heroes and dress the army. In such clothes, she tore all the enemies to shreds.

                In fact, she was tearing to shreds not because of clothes, but because Suvorov had given paramount importance to combat training, which is why there were such impressive victories.
                1. mmaxx
                  mmaxx 23 August 2019 12: 11
                  -1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Quote: mmaxx
                  Take the clothes of the Suvorov miraculous heroes and dress the army. In such clothes, she tore all the enemies to shreds.

                  In fact, she was tearing to shreds not because of clothes, but because Suvorov had given paramount importance to combat training, which is why there were such impressive victories.

                  So what does the cap have to do with it? More precisely, its role in the Great Patriotic War? Why is it necessary to pray and cherish it? Did she help in the war? Thanks to her won?
                  Well, the youth will come out on May 9th with a cap. Fine. And why is a soldier of the modern army?
                  1. mmaxx
                    mmaxx 23 August 2019 12: 15
                    +1
                    There was still a scam. Also considered a model?
                    Although here I have no complaints about the bag. And at one time, a veteran, respected by me, and having gone through the war, starting with the Finnish one, said that the one who returned the cider must be erected, because there was a satchel before him. And this was hard labor for a soldier.
                    But now it's all the last century. Yes, and before it was possible to come up with something smarter.
                  2. ccsr
                    ccsr 23 August 2019 12: 17
                    -1
                    Quote: mmaxx
                    So what does the cap have to do with it? More precisely, its role in the Great Patriotic War?

                    It was a universal headdress, the usefulness of which is understood by those who have been sitting in the trenches for many months. Moreover, the cheapness of its production allowed to save money, which is important in a protracted war.
                    Quote: mmaxx
                    And why is a soldier of the modern army?

                    I didn’t seem to be campaigning for her introduction into the modern army — I simply paid tribute to this simple and reliable headgear, which had been proving its usefulness for decades.
                    Quote: mmaxx
                    Did she help in the war? Thanks to her won?

                    The victory in that war consisted of many small details, which included the famous cap.
      2. mmaxx
        mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 33
        0
        Duc, we won the three-ruler)).
    2. Pedrodepackes
      Pedrodepackes 22 August 2019 07: 26
      -2
      Quote: Ros 56
      Sohu can write nonsense

      about Sokha I agree, but as for
      Quote: Ros 56
      without Russian Vani, shoes would be licked to the Japanese now
      the Americans would have helped them, especially since by that time they had already multiplied japs, and then we would have big problems in the Far East. But history does not know the subjunctive mood.
    3. Mikhail Drabkin
      Mikhail Drabkin 22 August 2019 09: 42
      +4
      You Ros 56 write
      ... so don’t open your mouth much ...

      You in vain bring down on SOKHU. This translation is the choice of VO. SOKHU is an Internet adder, such as Rambler. He writes about everything.
      About three weeks ago, SOKHU wrote that the Russian soldier had an invincible fighting spirit. And somewhere in April - about what Russians are strong physically, from a young age they teach children to winter, to swim in ice water .
      SOKHU on reading is just a pro-Chinese, not an anti-Russian site.
      You can search on foreign.ru.
    4. mmaxx
      mmaxx 23 August 2019 17: 22
      +1
      No need for the Chinese. They fought. Like us for the simple existence of ourselves and our families. Ghibli wholeheartedly. Maybe they didn’t know how to fight. Maybe they didn’t even learn. Maybe worse than Japanese-Germans-Americans-us. But the Chinese will not refuse courage and dedication to the Chinese. They and our victims are respected and appreciated.
  9. Wilderness
    Wilderness 22 August 2019 07: 19
    +9
    About the requirement to wear a cap for the first time I hear. Worn of course, but it was very individual. Arch-convenient hat in the field. Current caps are losing a lot to her.
    Yet. The pilot is (as it happened) one of the symbols of Victory. Real characters. And any obscene insults to her are an insult to that victory. Some of them are conscious, others are from herd instinct. I never heard anyone laugh at her. On the contrary, it aroused respect among Soviet boys. In contrast to the late Soviet "warriors", who took to the state of leggings, caps-airfields, mustaches and sideburns to the belly and belts, hanging much below the belly, pieces of rubber nailed to the heel, making a person look like a crooked-hoofed animal.
    1. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 22 August 2019 08: 11
      +2
      I agree with every word
    2. VeteranVSSSR
      VeteranVSSSR 22 August 2019 08: 25
      +2
      Correctly write everything, exactly in the hole, but ... the pilot really wore on her side: two fingers from her right eyebrow ...
    3. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD 22 August 2019 09: 31
      +3
      On the contrary, it aroused respect among Soviet boys. In contrast to the late Soviet "warriors", who took to the state of leggings, caps-airfields, mustaches and sideburns to the belly and belts, hanging much below the belly, pieces of rubber nailed to the heel, making a person look like a crooked-hoofed animal.

      Ahaha !!!
      Directly one of my "grandfather", Yasha Pushkarsky, reminded me, in 2002 he left the Akhtyn border detachment in this form, plus he was all in white edging - a clown which the world had not seen, the whole detachment was laughing! Exactly what the heels were as you described, there was such a pure grotesque ..!
  10. Altai72
    Altai72 22 August 2019 08: 00
    +9
    In Russia, the cap first appeared in 1913. In the tsarist army, such hats were first called "flying", but the name was quickly changed to familiar. It was part of the clothes of the pilots. She was made soft and comfortable. It was easy for the pilot to put it in his pocket and then put it on after the flight. The word "cap" stuck with us, in other armies this headdress has other names. For example, in the USA it is called Harrison's cap, in Italy it is a boost, and in Poland it is a forager.
  11. Avior
    Avior 22 August 2019 08: 26
    +2
    On the video insert is an excerpt from the Soviet children's film Breakfast on the Grass, usually shown at the beginning of the summer holidays, it is about a pioneer camp.
    I can imagine how many guys marched to walk well in front of the camera, obviously not the actors.
    Not a ceremonial calculation, of course, but I also had a good deal laughing
    As for the cap, in my opinion, I didn’t have to wear any less practical headgear.
    Maybe the flies used to be comfortable once, maybe the helmet is good, but otherwise it's complete nonsense. Moreover, the initial ability of the cap to lower the edges on the ears has not been used.
    Not to mention the fact that it was necessary to re-debug it, from imitation of the female genital organ, which was issued, to the normal appearance, which would not be a laughing stock for the whole company.
    Caps and slippers in my opinion are much more practical, convenient and more beautiful.
  12. Avior
    Avior 22 August 2019 08: 40
    +2
    Speaking of caps.
    It seems that it was she who inspired the Soviet sergeant with the creation of new models of hairstyles


    By the way, his cap is ironed correctly.
    smile
    1. mmaxx
      mmaxx 22 August 2019 11: 41
      0
      Yes. It was necessary to take two sizes smaller, tear off the oilcloth inside and smooth out so that the edges were above the middle. Then learn to walk, so as not to fly. Well, this is profitable.
      It turned out like this right kind.
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 August 2019 11: 55
        +2
        We didn’t tear anything away. The usual size was, we simply smoothed, like Sergeant Zverev in the photo.
        There is no border, purely outwardly.
    2. Grits
      Grits 25 August 2019 12: 02
      +1
      Quote: Avior
      It seems that it was she who inspired the Soviet sergeant with the creation of new models of hairstyles

      My wife told me now, having seen a photo behind me in the monitor, that it was Sergey Zverev. I would never have guessed
      1. Avior
        Avior 25 August 2019 22: 42
        -1
        Women are a mystery to me.
        That's how she guessed?
        I did not guess, I just saw a collage somehow, who served in the army and who did not.
  13. monah
    monah 22 August 2019 08: 41
    +3
    It did not cause any inconvenience, especially in the field, which cannot be said about the field cap. It fit perfectly under a camouflage under a helmet. In the wind, if necessary, it was possible to lower the sidewalls, although not according to the regulations. I remember Dad sent his "military" cap in which he quit at 46, he could not wear it (blue piping) but kept it and still keep it! And the absence of a visor as it did not really interfere.
  14. Gato
    Gato 22 August 2019 08: 50
    0
    I never wore a cap wassat We had a panama hat (KZakVO, DMB-88). But the thoughts of the soldier are always directed in one direction - to make something like his dream out of a headdress laughing
  15. Kosh
    Kosh 22 August 2019 09: 02
    +3
    I don’t understand the point of dragging all the nonsense here that they write on various entertainment sites such as Sohu. Pilots in the Chinese army did not really take root, but this was primarily due to the fact that they did not close their heads enough and she did not have a visor giving at least some kind of shadow in the sun. Therefore, they soon returned to the option of a cap with a visor.
  16. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 August 2019 09: 03
    +2
    I like the opinion of this "This opinion is expressed by Sohu." spit on.
  17. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 22 August 2019 09: 32
    -4
    The cap is the most useless and uncomfortable hat, impractical and good only in parades.
  18. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 22 August 2019 09: 51
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: rotmistr60
    At the beginning of the 70's 4, the school had to wear a cap with cotton - comfortable, beautiful (girls liked better caps) and practical.

    I wore it the same, but I will say right away that the capi that appeared along with the "Afghan women" is better. Including because of the visor. Although the cap, when it was returned to the officer's uniform, he wore with pleasure.

    By the way, in the fleet, a visor was also attached to the cap from a tropical kit. So the cap is a very practical hat ...
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      Edward Vashchenko 22 August 2019 10: 04
      +1
      At one time there was an actual hat that the Chinese did not like there - their problems and what did the Homidan have to do with, our caps were different in appearance from the caps of other armies.
      And the fact that in Hollywood, and in the modern cinema of our Rashi, fighters wear a cap, like ... this is a problem for those who portray it like that. Well, Hollywood, but ours then: why?
      His time passed, of course, but they served and did not think about any nonsense, wore both a needle and a thread laughing
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 22 August 2019 10: 27
        -3
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        At one time there was an actual hat ... Its time has passed

        The supreme one wears, and does not hesitate, he is probably fine ...

        1. Avior
          Avior 22 August 2019 11: 56
          +5
          He does not wear, he is photographed from time to time in it
  19. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 22 August 2019 09: 57
    0
    Because, apparently Petelka))))
  20. Alex_You
    Alex_You 22 August 2019 09: 59
    +2
    The most practical cap for me as the Swiss. It can be worn both as a cap and as a cap, a balaclava. Winter bomb.
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 22 August 2019 10: 03
      +5

      Only this is an old model.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 23 August 2019 12: 53
        0
        In my opinion, Schweik wore this! ...
  21. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 August 2019 10: 04
    0
    I had to wear it in the army. I consider her ugliness, not comfortable, and especially. in extreme conditions.
  22. Victor March 47
    Victor March 47 22 August 2019 10: 06
    0
    Quote: Alexey from Perm
    The cap is the most useless and uncomfortable hat, impractical and good only in parades.

    Incidentally, the cap is an everyday hat, and is not used at parades. The parade does not have such a headgear.
  23. gurzuf
    gurzuf 22 August 2019 10: 17
    +4
    Normal headgear. Wore. The main thing is to wash and not wrinkle on time.
  24. georggy
    georggy 22 August 2019 10: 21
    +1
    Firstly, hatred was due to the widespread use of this headgear among Americans and nationalists [Kuomintang]. Secondly, contempt was due to the fact that the cap was required to wear to one side, which did not meet the traditional criteria of the Chinese “right dress”. Thirdly, the left half of the short-cut, almost bald head turned out to be naked, which was perceived as an emphasis on ugliness.

    "Why blame the mirror, if the face is crooked," that's all the explanation.
  25. iouris
    iouris 22 August 2019 10: 44
    0
    A brief history of the garrison cap: the garrison cap appeared not in the USSR, but in Britain; caps for the pilots were uncomfortable, they were replaced with berets, and at first the pilots folded the berets in half. The cap is a variant of the beret. Essno, only having got to Russia, the cap began to live its full-blooded life.
  26. saygon66
    saygon66 22 August 2019 10: 51
    -1
    - It can be convenient to work on equipment, or in the back streets of a ship ... But for the infantry, the trouble is simple - in the summer, ears and neck burn up to blisters. winter snow on the ears ... laughing
    -
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 August 2019 11: 19
      +3
      So in winter they wear hats. And the ears and neck will burn in any headdress, if it's not kefi. Three years left, no complaints, quite a hat. soldier
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 22 August 2019 11: 26
        +2
        - Aha! That country was big ... So far, the order to change the uniform comes - in the north it is already snowing, and in the south it is still hot. A classmate served in Mongolia - in the oboes, in Darkhan, and at the height of summer they transfer part of them from district to district, and where they transferred they did not wear panamas ... they gave me caps ... I’m only wearing a winter hat from all the hats and liked ... wink
        - And the Chinese are better off keeping quiet about this: "Mao's cap" is a parody and pornography!
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 22 August 2019 11: 34
          +3
          Tell me, Mao copied his "cap" from the famous cap of the Leader of the World Proletariat, they called it that way - "Leninka".
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 22 August 2019 11: 42
            -5
            - Well, yes ... It’s in the mausoleum! winked
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        2. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 22 August 2019 12: 46
          +2
          The change order was carried out, I think as it is now in the districts, so the Far Eastern District was not attached to the SK and ZK okrug laughing
          For me, a strange hat, but served, wore, as they say, did not bother.
          It’s clear that military men are great mods, and I want both this and that: both a panama hat and a hat laughing and the parade and the right vole.
          And the country to strain, plow, one thing is a matter of necessary survival: a form for battle, another matter of parades and mods.
      2. Elephant
        Elephant 22 August 2019 15: 57
        +1
        Quote: Sea Cat
        So in winter they wear hats.

        Hats begin to be worn when the commander has the mercy to give an order regarding the transition to a winter uniform. By the way, in a cap, due to the presence of a visor, burning of the nose and part of the face can be prevented. But you can’t pull the cap on your nose. Also, the visor partially reduced the amount of ultraviolet radiation on the retina of the eye (tactical glasses had not been issued before). Well, also remember the rain falling in your eyes when you shoot from the trachomat.
      3. mmaxx
        mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 35
        0
        And so some walked with scabies on their ears.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 22 August 2019 18: 04
      0
      Quote: saygon66
      winter snow on the ears ..

      In winter, in fact, a hat with earflaps should be worn, not a cap.
      Quote: saygon66
      in summer, the ears and neck burn up to blisters.

      In those regions where it was possible, they wore a panama.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 42
        0
        MPR. Sayn Shand. No one saw no one even close. One company in the reconnaissance paratrooper in berets. The rest with shoulder straps and buttonholes of the airborne forces, but in caps. I did not serve in it, they just stood nearby. This is an example for headgear.
        If Gobi is not hot and the cap is the most, I advise you to go for the summer. Mongolia is an interesting country - you will not regret it.
        Yes, and ZabVo along the border in the summer is also nothing.
  27. E.S.
    E.S. 22 August 2019 11: 36
    +1
    Quote: Letun
    Quote: rotmistr60
    I had to wear a cap with cotton - comfortable, beautiful (the girls liked better caps) and practical.

    What is practical cap? Maybe it protects from the sun, from wind or rain? Could it be warmer in cold weather?

    And here it is warmer and protects, as I am a confident user, I say this.
    Pilot - the headdress of the army, which must be fought in a great war. To explain for a long time who doubts - try to meet the norm of dressing the OZK or at least a gas mask about ten times somewhere in the autumn plowed fields
  28. E.S.
    E.S. 22 August 2019 11: 38
    +2
    Quote: saygon66
    - It can be convenient to work on equipment, or in the back streets of a ship ... But for the infantry, the trouble is simple - in the summer, ears and neck burn up to blisters. winter snow on the ears ... laughing
    -

    Well, you can’t argue with a master - if someone goes to winter in a cap, this explains a lot
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 22 August 2019 11: 46
      0
      - Not quite in winter ... Snow, it happens at the end of September, too ... However, it takes a cap in this regard is not much better ... smile
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 23 August 2019 03: 00
      0
      No need to argue. If the snow has begun - and you haven’t entered the winter form - you’ll be walking in a cap and shaking off the snow. Didn’t happen? And someone happened.
  29. dsu05
    dsu05 22 August 2019 11: 42
    +1
    In addition to the military, there was also a pioneer cap in the Soviet era
    (wore both for a month by the sea: Black-1975 and Baltic-1985)
  30. Antares
    Antares 22 August 2019 11: 59
    +4
    the cap is aviation or cadets.
    In addition, the stewardesses of the world also use. The name is maybe different

    despising the cap they turn out to despise the Soviet aircraft .. Probably in the Korean War. laughing
    crazy ...
    most likely this is not about that.
    On VO often articles are broadcasted by Soha ... why would .. (no, I’m not against it - it’s better than daily Ukraine)
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 22 August 2019 15: 04
      0
      Quote: Antares
      In addition, stewardesses of the world also use

      They use it more for advertising purposes, like other accessories, like a scarf on the neck, white gloves, etc. Maybe this is not very practical (for example, white gloves get dirty more), but as they say - beauty requires sacrifice. Of course, beautiful stewardesses should stand out from the crowd.
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  32. pogis
    pogis 22 August 2019 12: 48
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    Speaking of caps.
    It seems that it was she who inspired the Soviet sergeant with the creation of new models of hairstyles


    By the way, his cap is ironed correctly.
    smile

    Dressed not in the Charter.
    1. Elephant
      Elephant 22 August 2019 14: 53
      +2
      And the hairstyle also does not match.
      1. Alex_You
        Alex_You 22 August 2019 18: 47
        0
        So junior sergeant after all.
    2. mmaxx
      mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 44
      0
      According to the charter laid young.
  33. Witness 45
    Witness 45 22 August 2019 13: 05
    0
    A pilot cap made of cotton fabric is, of course, much more comfortable compared to a field officer's cap made of woolen fabric, especially in the heat, but from the point of view of aesthetics I never liked it, so I gladly began to wear a cap "Afghan" when we were introduced them for supply, and by the way, the "Afghan" was more comfortable than those caps that are worn in the Russian army now, it was less voluminous, it was really possible to put on a helmet and it does not deform so much under it, but as it will to look like a modern cap, if you wear it for a couple of hours under a helmet, de still run a couple of kilometers, you can easily imagine, and the presence of valves in some cases is a useful thing. I do not understand why such a design was abandoned, or, as always, expediency was sacrificed to the desire to imitate someone.
  34. St54
    St54 22 August 2019 13: 56
    0
    And theirs "caps" were cooler! )))
  35. Flatter
    Flatter 22 August 2019 14: 13
    0
    They have that pilot, that caps are one image.
  36. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 22 August 2019 14: 18
    -1
    I agree with the Chinas .... it’s hard to come up with a more stupid headgear!
  37. Elephant
    Elephant 22 August 2019 14: 52
    0
    I was very pleased when they entered the form-afghanu with a cap. The cap, unlike the cap, holds on to the head better, the visor covers from the sun, etc. The cap, including field for officers and warrant officers, generally an anachronism from the last century, when the saber was still a serious weapon.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 22 August 2019 18: 11
      -1
      Quote: Elephant
      generally an anachronism from the last century, when the saber was still a serious weapon.

      You should be ironic in vain - now DRIED officers walk with daggers, but it’s the same as attaching spurs to boots for naval officers.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 23 August 2019 02: 46
        0
        This is the ape of recent years. Dirks have already come up with everything.
      2. nafanal
        nafanal 23 August 2019 09: 25
        +1
        Well, he invented a Kuzhegetych .. All the same, nationality is affecting. His people love to decorate themselves with different trinkets ..
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 24 August 2019 12: 43
          0
          Come on. We will forgive the daggers. Let him have fun. This is not harmful. Well, men will have souvenirs. To the sons-grandchildren to the joy.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 25 August 2019 14: 44
            -1
            Quote: mmaxx
            Come on. We will forgive the daggers. Let him have fun. This is not harmful.

            To the detriment and very large.
            Firstly, the dagger is not cheap, which means it will cost the country millions of rubles. Secondly, I consider this a humiliation of naval officers who deservedly carry this attribute in memory of the boarding battles of our ancestors.
            Thirdly, only a fool or a rogue can consider a real MILITARY weapon.
            So rejoice at the "souvenir", since the concept of military weapons is at the level of a schoolboy.
  38. ccsr
    ccsr 22 August 2019 18: 08
    0
    Quote: E.S.
    Well, you can’t argue with a master - if someone goes to winter in a cap, this explains a lot

    He probably served somewhere in the tropics ....
  39. Colonel
    Colonel 22 August 2019 18: 23
    0
    Recently, there has been a lot of all kinds of manure in VO, but this is something with something.
  40. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 22 August 2019 18: 36
    +1
    The cap was a drawback, it was hard to take a nap on her cadet body. The winter hat was much better. wink But in general, the headpiece is comfortable and most importantly beloved.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 22 August 2019 20: 26
      +3
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The cap was a drawback, it was hard to take a nap on her cadet body.

      It was good to sleep on the cap, putting it under your head on a wooden trestle covered with dermantine.
      Quote: ODERVIT
      The winter hat was much better.

      You can’t argue with that.
      Quote: ODERVIT
      But in general, the headpiece is comfortable and most importantly beloved.

      I don’t even understand those who bother her - the cap is very convenient, although it is possible and not as beautiful as modern berets.
  41. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 23 August 2019 07: 23
    +1
    All the Chinese, of course, wore "Mao Zeduns" with a huge star ... Since childhood, in the 1960s, we wore our grandfather's faded caps, in which we defeated Hitler ...
  42. Kola Lopar
    Kola Lopar 23 August 2019 09: 19
    +2
    We had panamas in the south, they are much more convenient than caps.
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 23 August 2019 20: 27
      +1
      Quote: Kola Lopar
      We had panamas in the south, they are much more convenient than caps.

      ==
      It seems more convenient, more practical than modern caps in the whole of Russia. and the cap under the helmet was the most
  43. nafanal
    nafanal 23 August 2019 09: 22
    +2
    The main armies of the 20th century flaunted in caps. Soviet and German. Yes, and now it can be seen somewhere .. Often the NATO generals are shown in caps ... Since when did the Chinese have clogged up with such snobs ... Their 70 -80g caps are just a sniper dream ..Would have fought with someone for real, immediately appreciated the practicality of this legendary headdress ...
    1. Pancher88
      Pancher88 23 August 2019 19: 01
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      The Germans had a cap
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    2. Pancher88
      Pancher88 23 August 2019 19: 13
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      And the warring Soviet army until the 90s went with uncomfortable ammo pouches. And only in Afghanistan began to massively change into Chinese bras. In the same place the caps also disappeared, and instead of them finally came caps. This is to say that the Chinese people, although not particularly warring, but practical.
      1. nafanal
        nafanal 24 August 2019 01: 47
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        Tell my grandmother .. I wore these caps. Although I didn’t have the opportunity to go to them in Afghanistan, I’m the most practical clothes .. And my bras replaced boots ... Why didn’t we push the bootlegs ... The Germans didn’t do wide legs for nothing. ..
        1. Pancher88
          Pancher88 24 August 2019 10: 24
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          So caps were the most practical clothes?
  44. paul3390
    paul3390 23 August 2019 09: 42
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    Quote: mojohed2012
    Do the Chinese themselves understand anything in the war? Where did they fight with an equal opponent or organized terrorists?

    War in Korea does not count off? Or are Americans not regarded as equal opponents or as completely organized terrorists?
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 16
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      Quote: paul3390
      War in Korea does not count off?

      Not an offset - without the USSR they would not have won that war then.
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  45. mmaxx
    mmaxx 23 August 2019 12: 05
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    Quote: ccsr
    Quote: mmaxx
    Where did you serve yourself? Went the whole service with a bag from a gas mask?

    I’ve always been with you on alarm, and I was supposed to be with her at the ZOMP classes. However, your two years of service is too short a time to draw thoughtful conclusions about the comforts of the cap.

    I served as a soldier. And I judge like a soldier. You can use it. No one has died. But as a hat, it’s not the best that could be. Comparing soldiers and officers on service and contentment is ridiculous. I’ve taken out of service, if anything, then class hatred of the officer class. If in those days the 17th year had happened, some would not have done much good. This despite the fact that I am absolutely peaceful and adequate person.
    So do not indicate to me what I misunderstood there. He honestly trampled down his 2 years. In places that scared everyone. And in its place I had a complete order.
    And so yes. Better officer cap than a truck. But this is not an argument in favor of caps. And I'm not the only one here.
    To each his own.
    And the Chinese, I understand.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 24 August 2019 09: 22
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      Quote: mmaxx
      I’ve taken out of service, if anything, then class hatred of the officer class.

      Or maybe this is due to the flawed perception of reality - this option was not considered?
      Quote: mmaxx
      And the Chinese, I understand.

      You would at least compare their geographical location with our European part of the country, and then you would understand that we do not really need visors - the Chinese even have a different eye section than the residents of our country. Navy caps and capless caps in the army of the nineteenth century just appeared due to the fact that the headgear was less sailing, so the cap is not such a bad hat for its time.
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx 24 August 2019 12: 37
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        Once again for those who are in the tank. I had to serve where China is across the road. In one place the southern part of the Chita region, in another - the town of Sain Shand in sunny Mongolia. Will you find? If Che - google to help.
        Therefore, I agree with the Chinese. And therefore, only those who love to repeat about hardships and hardships can give caps to soldiers there. And behind these words is a simple attitude to people as to cattle. I would serve in the GBV, maybe I would love the cap as my neighbors. But the SA was big, not enough for everyone.
        About inferiority I here already answered one. Repeat? I repeat: a man will not insult the other by the eyes, not being able to get back something heavy in the face.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 24 August 2019 16: 57
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          Quote: mmaxx
          Once again for those who are in the tank. I had to serve where China is across the road.

          At that time, just like now, the main adversary was the United States and NATO, so the army was prepared primarily for war with them, moreover, on the European theater of operations. So do not whimper about China - even the Far Eastern URs were abandoned when they realized that we would simply destroy them without the participation of the ground forces.
          Quote: mmaxx
          Therefore, I agree with the Chinese.

          Because you were only a conscript, that is why you saw this as a problem for the army, although its problems were completely different - for example, the level of knowledge of conscripts did not match the level of technology that came into service with the SA. That was a problem that they could not solve then.
          There was a problem with the total number of SAs, when the devil knew who was called up for the army - this led to extremely negative consequences.
          Quote: mmaxx
          I repeat: a man will not insult the other by the eyes, not being able to get back something heavy in the face.

          What makes you think that you are being offended? They just showed you what your point of view is when discussing very specific military issues. Or do you think that only your opinion is worth something?
          1. mmaxx
            mmaxx 24 August 2019 17: 24
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            I wrote in a personal, so as not to flood.
  46. rc56
    rc56 23 August 2019 13: 15
    +1
    But for some reason I liked to wear a cap ...

    As, however, later and takes, and the cap - did not see any problems: "Each fruit has its own season!"
    smile
  47. Unclean
    Unclean 23 August 2019 13: 31
    +3
    He served in Baikonur 90 -92, we wore panamas, a very convenient thing I can tell you, so each division had its own panama uniform. And how they made a hat, and like a pyramid, soaked it in water with sugar, wet it on the windowsill so that it swelled up and the fields leveled out, gave shape and dries in the sun. Ears are closed and visor, all in one. Simple and convenient.
    1. Unclean
      Unclean 23 August 2019 13: 42
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      So here she is dear
  48. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 23 August 2019 17: 35
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    Didn’t you despise the hat with earflaps?
  49. Pancher88
    Pancher88 23 August 2019 18: 58
    +1
    An inconvenient thing this cap. Impractical. Better cap. Here the Chinese are right.
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