Flag Day is celebrated in Russia

The 25 time in the Russian Federation is officially celebrated as the State Flag Day. The date is set in August 1994 year on the basis of the decree of the then President of Russia Boris Yeltsin. And this statement is connected with the decision of 1991 of the year in relation to turning the three-color banner into the state symbol of the new Russia.

Disputes about why the red-blue-white flag was chosen as the state flag in 1991 (approved in 1993) - against the backdrop of the collapse of the Soviet Union - have not ceased in society. There is also a version that it was proposed to return the black-yellow-white flag - the official symbol of the Russian Empire in the period from 1858 to 1896. However, if you trust the voiced version, the new authorities listened to the opinion of foreign "partners" who stated that "it is better to use a flag that is less associated with the empire." In addition, it was noted that if the black-yellow-white flag had a truly administrative character (hung out at state institutions), then the red-blue-white flag was primarily “commercial and public”.

On that and decided.

For over 28 years, the red-blue-white flag has been a state symbol of the Russian Federation, but when it comes to discussing this symbol, not all compatriots (especially the older generation) speak exclusively of it in positive tones. One of the reasons is that the appearance of a new flag (even if it has already been slightly modified over the 28 years mentioned) in our country is associated with the collapse of the once united country, with the name of Boris Yeltsin. And this name is additionally associated with economic turmoil, the war in Chechnya, the riot of the oligarchy, listening to American advisers, strange behavior, etc.

Nevertheless, the tricolor flag is a state symbol, and no matter how many Russians belong to it, the flag has gained respect for the 28 years of the new Russia. It was under this flag that numerous Russian victories in sports were forged, it was on this flag that Russian enemies persecuted, trying to accuse our athletes of doping and prohibiting the use of state symbols, it was under this flag that Crimea and Sevastopol, on the basis of the will of the people, were forever returned to Russia, it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the point of the pole - as a sign of its belonging to the Russian shelf.

And in the end, the matter is not so much in the flag itself as in people who are ready to glorify it with their labor, perseverance and talent - for the good of the Fatherland.

Comments

[Starover_Z]

However, if you trust the voiced version, the new authorities listened to the opinion of foreign "partners" who stated that "it is better to use a flag that is less associated with the empire." In addition, it was noted that if the black-yellow-white flag had a truly administrative character (hung out at state institutions), then the red-blue-white flag was primarily “commercial and public”.

I don’t want to say anything, write bad, but this version directly scratches the body - the "partners" advised it turns out, - you trade, the rest is none of your business ... You are not an empire anymore ...
As well as the law on the State Bank of Russia, an excerpt from which was given earlier at the HE, on the impossibility of lending to state enterprises ...
Wah-a-b-shche !!! And the deputies do not know this or it is not profitable to rewrite, correct these "partner" postscripts ?!

[DEDPIHTO]

As a matter of fact, the attitude of the authorities to the country itself can be described as an attitude to the commercial and public platform, which nobody needs to see the image of a strong state. This is evidenced by a toothless policy, because of which each mongrel strives to lift his hind paw on our country knowing that they will not kick, as well as the priority of trade over the image of the country, state, in the external arena. The campaign took into account all the wishes of the partners.

[Far B]

I don't understand this holiday. If, as they constantly talk on this day, "people should know the heraldic symbols of their country," then the Day of the National Anthem and the Day of the National Emblem must also be approved. No, but what? And then make all these days a weekend.
Py.Sy. For any 30 years of the existence of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the victories, sports labor and military, were forged much more than under the current tricolor (they even stole the word from the French).
Py.Py.Sy. IMHO, the phrase

it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the pole point

sounds very strange. How could he be UNDER a pole point? Scratching my head.

[svp67]

Quote: Dalny V

sounds very strange. How could he be UNDER a pole point? Scratching my head.

Apparently so "clumsily" the author tried to say that the flag was installed at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean ...

Quote: Dalny V

I do not understand this holiday.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Apparently so "clumsily" the author tried to say that the flag was installed at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean ...

The flag should be raised, not lowered, the fleet has a command "Raise the flag!" And there is another good example - the raising of the USSR flag on the Reichstag of the defeated Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich.

[svp67]

Quote: tihonmarine

The flag should be raised, not lowered, the fleet has a command "Raise the flag!"

Something I did not write about "lowering" anywhere ...

[georggy]

Precisely, it is written like this "it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the pole point."

[svp67]

Quote: george

Precisely, it is written like this "it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the pole point."

"Under the pole point" sounds no less clumsy, as far as I know there is an "axis" that passes through both poles ..

[Boris55]

Quote: tihonmarine

And there is a good example - the raising of the USSR flag over the Reichstag of defeated Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich.

The flag was approved by our chosen ones as a state one and we must respect it, but somehow we don’t want to ...

[Olfred]

I agree with you) What surprises me more is that some do not know that United Russia was the name of an armored train that fought on the side of the WHITE ... What is it that the enemies within the state turn out and have not gone anywhere ?! Although EDRO has long been famous for its "cool" laws, so everything is in order here

[Greg Miller]

Quote: svp67

it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the point of the pole - as a sign of its belonging to the Russian shelf.

And our soldiers raised this flag over the defeated Reichstag ... and it was a symbol that the USSR is a Great and Independent Power, and the tricolor is a symbol that Russia is a raw materials appendage of world capitalism ...

RETURN BETTER TO US THIS FLAG !!!!

[macgyver]

Two hands for! I also think that our red flag deserves to be proud of.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Far In

I don't understand this holiday. If, as they constantly talk on this day, "people should know the heraldic symbols of their country," then the Day of the National Anthem and the Day of the National Emblem must also be approved. No, but what? And then make all these days a weekend.
Py.Sy. For any 30 years of the existence of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the victories, sports labor and military, were forged much more than under the current tricolor (they even stole the word from the French).
Py.Py.Sy. IMHO, the phrase

it was this flag that visited the bottom of the Arctic Ocean under the pole point

sounds very strange. How could he be UNDER a pole point? Scratching my head.

Yes, they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.

[kefan]

Quote: tihonmarine

Yes, they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.

Or like this: "It never happened, and here it is again."

[rotmistr60]

new authorities heeded the opinion of foreign "partners"

Not surprising, since at that time they were in a hurry and readiness to fulfill the "advice" of the most capitalist and democratic. Without pretensions to the new flag (after all, 28 years have passed already), which really won respect at the international level, but the Soviet, red was and remains more preferable for me personally.

[Rimlianin]

The Soviet flag was a symbol not so much of the country of Russia as a symbol of the ideology imposed at that time. Sickle and hammer on the flag meant the union of the peasantry and workers. All this went away with the Soviet regime. You can’t go back in time. When an adult fat man on the Defender of the Fatherland Day tries to put on his tunic, which he served as 18-year-old, it looks ridiculous and stupid. The history of the tricolor is no less rich than the history of the flag of the USSR. And no less heroic.

[Gardamir]

The history of tricolor is no less rich

Yes, he has no history. Before the arrival of Kolya, number two went into battle under other flags and beat Frederick and Napoleon, and in Russian-Turkish. And the tricolor was marked by a defeat in the Russian-Japanese one, in the war of 1914 ... Well, Kolchak the hanger was noted.

[Rimlianin]

The modern tricolor was known at the time of Alexei Mikhailovich, and under Peter it was hoisted over the ships of the Azov Flotilla. The trade flag, and since 1896 - the national flag of Russia. So his three hundred year history is richer in every way than that of the flag of the USSR. Yes, there were defeats under him, there were victories. It was the banner of the tricolor that our ancestors stained in the Great War of 1914-1918. The fact that short-sighted leaders turned out to be driving the country does not change the meaning of the flag. There is a controversial issue about Kolchak, there was a lot of truth behind him. And the flag that he chose had nothing to do with it, since it existed long before him. Now, if he invented it, and we adopted it, then there would be something to talk about. And in general, the destruction of the Russian peasantry by Lenin and Stalin, the repressions of the 30s were carried out under the red banner. Here the flag of the USSR is definitely enriched with blood ... of its own people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

from 1896 of the year - the national flag of Russia.

This is the starting point for the "national flag". Our state is gone, the flag is gone, and the new state has established a tricolor, so let the "national flag" be so, because you cannot invent a new flag for Russia. And the Red Flag will remain in our memory forever, like the flag of the Revolution and the Flag of Victory.

[Rimlianin]

In memory, yes. But not over government agencies.

[VIT101]

Quote: Gardamir

Yes, he has no history

Unfortunately there is. Shitty, but there is. Under this flag, General Vlasov's "army" fought, which was beaten off by the Red Army. What would happen if those of our fighters knew that this flag would become our state flag.
I was in Moscow in the autumn of 90. It was remembered that near the historical museum personalities with red-blue-white bandages on their sleeves scurried. Now I understand that these are those who were preparing a coup in 91 years. And they succeeded.

[Gardamir]

Fucking, but there.

Well, that is a given. But after the Nicholas baker, Boris immediately began to rule.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: VIT101

Now I understand that these are those who were preparing the coup in 91. And they succeeded.

Oh, how liberal liberal democrats dislike your koment, they like a sickle in one place.

[Rimlianin]

ROA did not fight with the Red Army. The Nazis did not give, they were afraid that they would run back. If not for the terrible conditions of detention of Soviet prisoners of war in German camps, there would have been no ROA. People trite saved their lives. And not for us to judge them, resting on the sofas with beer. They can be judged only by those who went through that hell and did not break. But it is unlikely that there are such commentators and minus signers here.

[svp67]

Quote: Rimlianin

ROA did not fight with the Red Army.

What honestly? And the battles on the Oder from February 6 1945 of the year?

[Rimlianin]

Well, yes, I fought. Only three platoons took part from the ROA in those battles.

[svp67]

Quote: Rimlianin

Only three platoons took part from the ROA in those battles.

And actions against partisans? Ideological work? ROA Aviation Actions?

[svp67]

Quote: Rimlianin

You can’t go back in time.

Oh, is it ...? And where did the "tricolor" appear from in modern Russia?

[Nevsky_ZU]

Quote: svp67

Quote: Rimlianin

You can’t go back in time.

Oh, is it ...? And where did the "tricolor" appear from in modern Russia?

Good catch))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

All this went away with the Soviet regime. You can’t go back in time.

For some reason, we wanted to forget the Soviet past, but we did not want to forget the tsarist past. But you dear Eugene wrote "You can't go back to the past." Why is this not possible, but is that possible? Why? I'll give you a minus too.

[Rimlianin]

Yes, for heaven’s sake, it will not decrease from me, and you will not increase. But in essence I repeat - the Soviet flag could not be returned, since that flag was not national, but had an ideological character. It signified the union of workers and peasants in the struggle for the offensive of communism. Agree, in the current capitalist RF, this would not be appropriate. The same as the International in the form of a hymn. And the last historical national flag of Russia is just a white-blue-red tricolor.

[kanskebron]

It signified the union of workers and peasants in the struggle for the offensive of communism.

Under the red banners, the squads of princes Oleg and Svyatoslav went into battle, and even then, the color of the prince's cloaks (the orientation of the soldiers in battle) was red. And the tricolor flag of the Russian Federation, this is the imitation of Peter the Great by its Western counterparts, nothing more.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

When an adult fat man on Defender of the Fatherland Day tries to put on a tunic in which he served as 18-year-old, it looks ridiculous and stupid.

I think you are either from Ukraine, or Russophobe. Or maybe a brainwashed child.

[Rimlianin]

Or maybe it's brainwashed? If from Ukraine, then immediately write down the enemy? And where did you see Russophobia in my comment? Where did I derogatoryly speak about Russia and the Russians?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

If from Ukraine, then immediately write down the enemy?

Sorry, but that you are from Ukraine, you can hear a mile away.

[Rimlianin]

You did not answer my questions. And no, I live in Russia. More specifically - Siberia.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

More specifically - Siberia.

Countryman. I am from Transbaikalia. Then peace, friendship, cease fire.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Rimlianin

You can’t go back in time.

Tricolor is also a flag from the past. Only now, unlike the heroic past of the Red Banner, the tricolor has nothing to brag about.

[Rimlianin]

Not everything was heroic and unambiguous at the time when the Red Banner fluttered over the Kremlin. Yes, the Reichstag was defeated, but there were also peasants starved in hunger and scurvy in Narym, tens of thousands of former white officers and soldiers shot in Crimea, hundreds of thousands shot on false charges during the years of great terror. Ambiguous methods forged people's happiness.

[Essex62]

So after all, they shot at the case, if you do not uproot - you immediately climb on the ridge of a Russian peasant. Which, in fact, happened 28 years ago.
Life means their traitors saved? It's not for us to judge them, nurse. But what about tens of thousands of Red Army men, red officers, commissars who spit in the face of occupants and accepting, sometimes fierce, death in captivity for the Soviet Motherland?

[Rimlianin]

Who is this us? I am a native Russian, Siberian in the fifth generation. And who are you? He remembered about the peasant. They shot him in the case ... you probably didn’t catch those people who survived those times and told how they turned around the policeman in the next street so that he wouldn’t catch his eye. As a father, the uncle was sent to Narym, and the son was hiding in the neighbors. For what? Because he quarreled with the chairman of the village council because of the woman, and he wrote a denunciation. Or maybe just like that, the surname did not like. Families in the taiga, were sentenced to death, with children, old people .. they too - for the cause? Before the war, under your beloved red banner, all the men of arms, laborers and families were brought to the root, and here you breed (I would call you what I should, but I don’t want to go to the bathhouse) my rotten philosophy .. for the cause, supposedly ... pah .. You rotten rot and not a man.

[Essex62]

Something you overexcited you Siberian. You go over to personality, insulting a stranger, an old person and a person who has seen it.
However, I will answer.
I’m the great-grandson of one of the commanders of the Antonov’s army in the Tambov region, leaning against the wall of the CHONAW small petty Bonapartik Tukhachevsky, the great-grandson of the Tver peasant exiled for serving in the police of the city of Tver, exactly before VOSR. I wanted to buy a vishka cow, for a large family of almost all girls. The grandson of the fighter pilot of the Red-Soviet Army, this is the son of a shot-gunner Antonov ataman, who at night, after terrible batches in the sky of the Kuban, was dragged for interrogation by a special officer for a trifling reason. He was shot down, went out to his own. And were they not captured? The woman was not divided. I'm sorry for mine too, no less than you
Bastards, convicted by the authorities, mistakes and excesses in any formation will be. This evil is inevitable. Only nagging is not appropriate here. Civil war is a terrible thing. Either we are a white bastard trying to save slavery, or vice versa. It’s known from history that we are. They shook off the ridge, who by birth was somehow considered better than everyone else. This distortion, in human society, has been eradicated with an iron hand.
Give the deadline and the current burials will be brought to justice.
PS And what are you so boasting that Siberian? I am a Muscovite in the third generation, but Siberia is not a stranger either. For two years he pulled a soldier-sezhantsky strap in the SA, KSIBVO in this fertile land.

[Rimlianin]

Don't, as they say, la. Re-read (I turn to you, as with an elderly person) still your comment, and you will see who was the first to cross the line that separates simple communication from hitting a person. They drove - they got it. And it was rash to write this "shot for the cause" on your part. You yourself know that it is not always for the cause, even very often - not for the cause. And at the expense of the civil war, which will write off everything ... so it ended in 1922 (in Siberia, we have in 1920). And the people were muffled for a good ten years, right up to the Great Patriotic War. After dispossession of kulaks, thousands of villages actually ceased to exist, or began to fade away, since there was no master on earth. So about whose peasant ridge did you say? Oh, come on .... you’re probably really outside the Moscow Ring Road and you don’t know what to discuss with you.

[Essex62]

But I, in fact, have nothing to talk with you about. The tale of millions of innocent ruined people had heard enough from the drawer. Only in adolescence and youth he received enough information from the primary sources and is not inclined to believe bourgeois nonsense. I clearly indicated my position. The civil war did not end in 1922, it continues to this day, as long as there is a class stratification of society. Cold for now.

[Technologist]

Still what a "heroic", under him the Vlasov "heroic" !!!

[Nikolaevich I]

My attitude to the current Russian tricolor is, at best, neutral! On the one hand ... this is the national flag of the state in which I live, of which I am a citizen ... And on the other hand, this is the flag under which the Union was destroyed, the "white house" was shot, the "miracle in feathers" EBN was brought to power ! The country was robbed under this flag! Black-yellow-white flag? By the way, in the solemn "decoration" this flag was called "black-gold-silver" ... If my memory serves me, this ChZhB-flag is connected by its origin with Germany! And this served as the fact that he was abandoned twice ... first in 1896 and then in the early 90s ...

[Nycomed]

That is, as I understand it, that the best flag is the flag of the USSR?

[Phil77]

I’ll answer you this way. Under the USSR flag, I was born, studied, served, worked. Well, that is, the best years of my life passed under this flag (childhood, youth, early mature years). And now? Well now, tricolor is the flag of my country. Attitude? How to the flag of my country (respectful). But the USSR flag is closer to me.

[Phil77]

I forgot to add. The USSR flag to me personally, well, I’ll probably say so dear!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Nycomed

That is, as I understand it, that the best flag is the flag of the USSR?

This is a personal matter and therefore I think that I am not "obliged" to answer this question. The flag of the USSR occupies a special place in the life, in the memory of people born in the USSR, who have lived in the Union a significant part of their lives ... often the best part of their lives ... life in human dignity, in national pride, pride in their country ... The flag of the USSR is a symbol of the once great country! But the Russian tricolor is also a flag (symbol) of the country in which I live, of which I am a citizen. And therefore, I believe that I am obliged, like all citizens of the Russian Federation, to treat the tricolor as required by law and not allow anyone to mock the Russian flag.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I believe that I, like all citizens of the Russian Federation, must treat the tricolor as required by law and not allow anyone to scoff at the Russian flag

The word of husband and citizen of his country.

[Victor N]

The flag of our grandfathers who created the history of the country is therefore dearer! Compare with the flag of the USSR-it is impossible!

[tihonmarine]

Join.

[thinker]

red-blue-white flag

In fact, it is customary to call from top to bottom - white-blue-red flag

[samarin1969]

For Crimea, the soaring flags of the Russian Federation was a holiday. Tricolors soared over private houses, buildings, hung from balconies, inserts on license plates were placed. Flags either rose or flickered above the administrative buildings (officials were openly cowardly).
But now, many tricolor with pleasure update over their homes.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Yeah. exactly. 25 years of hanging out in the Ukrainian swamp is still a pleasure ..... nevertheless, as a rule, unofficially we have tricolor and the red banner is always present

[Amateur]

not all compatriots (especially the older generation) speak about him exclusively in positive tones. One of the reasons is that the appearance of a new flag (even if it has already been slightly modified over the 28 years mentioned) in our country is associated with the collapse of the once united country, with the name of Boris Yeltsin.

This flag is primarily associated with the ROA of Vlasov traitors. It was under such a flag that they fought with the Red Army of our fathers and grandfathers.
And the very name "tricolor"? There is no such Russian word "color". In Ukraine, this can be a zhovo-blakit two-color, while LGBT people have a seven-color one.
Let's call the Russian flag the Russian word: a three-color flag.

[Phil77]

Traitors of Vlasov? Yes, this is a strong argument! But let's recall the glorious past victories of Russian weapons over the external enemy under this three-color banner. And the Vlasovs? They are traitors to their homeland.

[Amateur]

But let's recall the past glorious victories of Russian weapons over an external enemy under this three-color banner

Let's! Which for example?
For reference - today's VO https://topwar.ru/161512-znamena-ikony-russkie-trikolory-i-flazhnoj-jetiket.html
The white-blue-red flag in the Russian Empire was the flag of the Russian Commercial Fleet.

[Phil77]

Victories of Suvorov, Kutuzov. Victories and defeats in the First World War, and before that in Russian-Japanese. As all this was, I repeat, the USSR flag is closer to me, but this tricolor! Flag, the flag of my Motherland. Regards.

[Amateur]

Victories of Suvorov, Kutuzov

The flag consists of three horizontal stripes: black, yellow (gold) and white. The first official interpretation of flag colors dates from the Decree of Emperor Alexander II of June 11, 1858 [15]:
“Description of the Highest Approved Arrangement of the Emblem Flowers of the Empire on Banners, Flags and Other Items Used for Decorations in Occasion.” The arrangement of these flowers is horizontal, the upper stripe is black, the middle is yellow (or gold), and the bottom is white (or silver). The first stripes correspond to a black state eagle in a yellow field, and a cockade of these two colors was founded by Emperor Paul I, while banners and other ornaments of these flowers were used already during the reign of Empress Anna Ioannovna. The lower strip is white or silver corresponds to the cockade of Peter the Great and Empress Catherine II; Emperor Alexander I, after the capture of Paris in 1814, combined the regular coat of arms with the ancient Peter the Great, which corresponds to the white or silver horseman (St. George) in the Moscow coat of arms ”[16]. (Wikipedia)

The last flag of the Russian Empire. White-blue-red with a black double-headed eagle on a gold field in the upper left corner, representing the embodiment of the slogan "The Unity of the Tsar with the People." It was created on the initiative of Sovereign Emperor Nicholas II during the First World War in 1914. The following excerpt from the journal "Annals of the War" 1914-15. describes this event: “The holiness of the soul of our people in this difficult time is accompanied by its complete merging and unification with the thoughts and feelings of the Sovereign Emperor. The Tsar with His loyal people, in the Russian national flag at the staff between the white and blue stripes (a quarter of the total size of each) will forever flaunt the Imperial Standard (a yellow square with a black, Russian coat of arms). This is the Great Tsar's grace to the entire Russian people. "

Thank God Nemtsov did not manage to push a fat Georgian into us as a queen.

[Phil77]

As for this * queen * I agree. Regarding the flag? Excuse me, but even the great Dahl got confused in them.

[Serg65]

Quote: Amateur

Victories of Suvorov, Kutuzov

Victor, but this flag, what colors are it? But he is 326 years old and he was raised by Peter the first on the 12-gun yacht "Saint Peter" in 1693!

[Amateur]

Thanks to the Yeltsin hymn, God will understand, God will give and they will deal with the flag. The main thing is that there always has been RUSSIA - free, proud and rich. And everything else is vanity.

[Gardamir]

but this flag, what colors is it?

Yellow-black-red, seen in the museum, is perceived exactly as I said.

[Serg65]

Quote: Gardamir

Yellow-black-red, seen at the museum,

This flag hangs in the Central Naval Museum in St. Petersburg and I saw it as a cadet!

Quote: Gardamir

Yellow black red

Are you a fan of national patriots and monarchists ??? I never would have thought!

[Serg65]

Quote: Gardamir

Yellow black red

By the way Gardamir .... yellow-black-red is the flag of Belgium! Right now we are talking about Russia!

[Fitter]

Belgium has a different flag :(

[Serg65]

Quote: Fitter

Belgium has a different flag :(

Change the first two places and it will be like Gardamir!

[Fitter]

Then it will be a flag not of Belgium :(

[Serg65]

Oh yes shaw are you so not accommodating? Well, almost Belgium ... the colors are the same! I am begging you!

[Fitter]

Failed to attach the file :(

[Gardamir]

Right now we are talking about Russia!

In the picture, these colors plus the eagle of the Holy Roman Empire

[Serg65]

Quote: Amateur

The flag consists of three horizontal stripes: black, yellow (gold) and white.

You must be careful buddy!

[Fitter]

Yellow-black-red.

[Serg65]

Quote: Fitter

Yellow-black-red.

Translate?

[Fitter]

You asked what colors I voiced: the upper band is yellow, the middle is black, and the bottom is red. :)

[Serg65]

Quote: Fitter

I voiced:

No, my friend ... it is white-blue-red! I'm not color blind ...

[Fitter]

You are lucky that you are not color blind :(
But the upper strip consists of yellow (on the right side and white (closer to the left edge) ........ okay, it's easier to draw than to describe :(

[Serg65]

My friend, of course, I was lucky .. for three years, studying at VVMUZ began with a visit to the stock exchange, the walls of which in those days were a computer .... so I remember these colors by heart

[Fitter]

The picture is attached:

[Fitter]

The picture is not visible for some reason :(

[Serg65]

It happens ... sometimes

[Phil77]

Quote: Amateur

White-blue-red flag in the Russian Empire

Sorry! White-blue-red! But not blue!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Amateur

The white-blue-red flag in the Russian Empire was the flag of the Russian Commercial Fleet.

The coat of arms of the Russian Empire (black-yellow-white flag, black-orange-white flag, flag of the coat of arms, in modern colloquial also the imperial flag or "empire") - the flag of the Russian Empire from 11 June (23 June) 1858 year to 29 April (May 11) 1896 year. Formally, its use extended to government and administrative institutions, while private individuals could use only the white-blue-red flag, and commercial vessels.

[Gardamir]

victories of Russian weapons over an external enemy under this three-color banner

Name at least one. The best authority of a picture of Russian artists, for example Borodino

[Phil77]

Yes, you should know that near Borodino the regiments of the Russian army fought under the regimental banners! But the state was precisely three-color.

[Gardamir]

near Borodino

And this is Russian-Turkish

[Phil77]

Quote: Gardamir

near Borodino

And this is Russian-Turkish

From the same opera! Regimental banners, by the way, which Russian-Turkish is it depicted?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Phil77

But the state was precisely tricolor

Russia was an EMPIRE and the flag was imperial (empire) in both the army and navy.

[Phil77]

Good morning, dear Vlad! But isn’t the empire a state? The argument is essentially no more than terms.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Phil77

But isn't an empire a state?

I do not argue, the state. But there were many states, and there were only five great empires, and one of them was Russia. That's why I focus on the word "empire"

[Phil77]

[quote = tihonmarine] emphasis on the word "empire" [/ quot
Convincing! I agree with you!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Phil77

near Borodino, the regiments of the Russian army fought under the regimental banners!

And all the naval battles under the St. Andrew’s banner. The tricolor, introduced by Peter I as part of the standard of the Moscow Tsar and the army banner, in the 1705 year became the ship’s flag of Russia and was used until the 1917 year. Also, the tricolor was the national flag of Russia.

[Phil77]

Vlad! But there are no questions about the Andreev flag! He is a naval one, here you can’t diminish it or even add it! Although, in my sub * active view, the naval flag of the USSR was more prestigious. But this is my opinion.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Phil77

Although, in my sub * active view, the naval flag of the USSR was more prestigious

Well, who would argue, of course he is like a piece of heart.

[Phil77]

To this I will add the fact that I have never been lowered before the enemy! * I am dying, but I do not give up! *

[Crimean partisan 1974]

the naval flag of the USSR was more prestigious .... why it was, it is even in our Crimea on the last Sunday of July not a lot of Andreev banners are visible. mainly our naval USSR

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Phil77

But let's recall the glorious past victories of Russian weapons over an external enemy under this three-color banner.

There were many victories, but most likely under the Imperial banner.

[kanskebron]

But let's recall the glorious past victories of Russian weapons over an external enemy under this three-color banner.

So try to remember.

[sgapich]

In fact, the official flag that the ROA, that CONR (to which the ROA obeyed) was the St. Andrew flag. Tri-color was also used, but unofficially, Hitler's direct ban on its official use. Read, if interested in the topic, the memoirs of Shtrik-Shtrikfeldt (in my opinion - the most authoritative source on the activities of the ROA).

[Boris55]

Quote: sgapich

In fact, the official flag that the ROA, that CONR (to which the ROA obeyed) was the St. Andrew flag.

Chevrons - yes. The flag is no.

Quote: = sgapich

official use was Hitler's direct ban

Really? Photo documents suggest otherwise.

[Vadim T.]

The ambiguous attitude towards the state flag of the Russian Federation, in my opinion, is associated with the collapse of the USSR and the destruction of all its social gains in the "holy" 90s. The wildest privatization, the change in public morality and the tragedy of millions of Russians who "did not fit" into the market will now always be associated with the tricolor.

[Gardamir]

Glory to Yeltsin!
But nothing that under the Red Flag defeated the Nazi plague? They won in sports and flew into space? Under the red flag, no one raised the retirement age. You can long list the time of the Red Flag and the present. Fictitious victories are no reason to be proud.

[Boris55]

Quote: Gardamir

But nothing that under the Red Flag defeated the Nazi plague?

And the Nazi and Vlasov!

Our great-grandfathers did not let Vlasov impose this flag on us. It is especially disgusting to see him in the column of the Immortal Regiment, when our grandfathers fought and defeated those who walked under him in order to enslave us.

[Rimlianin]

Vlasovites did not fight with the Red Army. Captured Soviet soldiers walked into the ROA so as not to perish in German concentration camps. Cowards, yes. But not enslavers. And no one knows how he would personally behave in that situation.

[Boris55]

Quote: Rimlianin

Vlasovites did not fight with the Red Army.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Gardamir

But nothing that under the Red Flag defeated the Nazi plague?

Let the Democrats mumble me, but I took the oath, served the people, the country and shed blood for him, he remained forever in my soul.

[Boris55]

Quote: tihonmarine

Let the Democrats flog me, but I took the oath, served the people,

Join.

"........ If I break this solemn oath of mine, then let the severe punishment of the Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the working people befall me."

On the opinion of the bourgeois and their grunting, I absolutely do not care.

[AU Ivanov.]

And did someone, with rare exceptions, come out to defend the Soviet Union? But what about the oath?

[Boris55]

Quote: AS Ivanov.

And did someone, with rare exceptions, come out to defend the Soviet Union? But what about the oath?

Was there a team?

"... I'm always ready by order of the Soviet Government to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics ... "

Something I did not see any of the civilians near the military registration and enlistment offices.

The team was to sit in the barracks and not interfere in the internal political showdown. The business of the army is to protect the state from external enemies.

[Essex62]

So the external enemy controlled this whole process. And it was obvious to clever officers. Unfortunately, the proletarian-revolutionary self-consciousness inherent in the officer corps of the USSR back in the 50s was not even mentioned in the 90s. The political-culturalists blabbed the idea. It was clear, after all, that the formation was changing, i.e. encroachment on the SOVIET Homeland. Whoever understood, he defended the last bastion of socialism - the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, only without the support of the army could anything come of it. And the Office, it seems, was head over heels in a coup.

[Boris55]

Quote: Essex62

only without the support of the army could nothing come of it.

And if the army intervened, they would have collapsed Russia. Are you the lessons of Ukraine, when the army was involved in the internal political conflict, do not learn anything?

[Essex62]

You are an intelligent man, Boris. Why did you bring this hardened record of our huckster scrapers? Well, what does Ukraine have to do with it?
The fact is that the Soviet, workers and peasants in essence and composition, the Army did not defend the legitimate and legitimate Soviet power, in the person of the Supreme Council, but complied with the usurper’s order.
It taught me a lot, to paraphrase you. When the soldiers in the "Lenin's room" fell asleep to the tedious muttering of the political officer, when even the communists raised their hands without delving into the essence of the issue. They chatted up the Idea, dissolved it in applause turning into a standing ovation. As a result, we got tanks on direct fire at the Supreme State Power, Soviet, mind you, power. The power of workers and peasants.
I was led to the idea that this confrontation did not stop even for a second, although it seems like the world and the Soviet people, relatives, their people
And at that moment there was still not that Russia which you see investing in your answer. Nothing - would not fall apart, stand and win, would the people's power. Enough - one Cantemation regiment. They would move traitors from the helm and, taking lessons, would modernize Socialism and the USSR. There were capable people at that time. Most of them are no longer alive.

[macgyver]

Well, in the 90s, the Yeltsin gang put down 8-10 counterintelligence agents, according to rumors, even with their families.

[Essex62]

This process with marked Judas began. By the time of the coup, the Masons were appointed in all key positions. Shevardnadze alone was worth it. What about the office? I quietly went crazy watching a crowd of Fartsians, interspersed with guilds and liberals of all cultural stripes, fell Felix right under the windows of the Big House. And not one of them twitched. My tongue does not dare to call these Chekists.

[Rimlianin]

And under the red banner, Lenin and Stalin destroyed the Russian peasants in the surplus-appropriation and dispossession, who surrendered to the Russian officers in the Crimea, bloody lawlessness occurred in the 37th. The flag of the USSR is stained with the blood of millions of innocent victims.

[Osmodey]

I went with trump cards

[Gardamir]

surplus-appraisal

One of the shortcomings of the Soviet regime was much appropriated to itself. But the surplus appraisal began in 1916. Mayhem 90s how do you? Or because they were silent that way? Was!

[AU Ivanov.]

Have the communists adopted the methods of "accursed tsarism"? Well done, however. This is enchanting: first give the peasant land, and then select the results of his labor. Aha - land for the peasants. And what the peasant raised - we will take it for free.

[Rimlianin]

The food service was under the tsar, the methods were different. For some reason, people did not rebel from the tsar’s surplus provinces. Under Lenin’s surplus, everything was scooped up. Do you understand?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Rimlianin

And under the red banner, Lenin and Stalin destroyed the Russian peasants

Ooh! how our bay came from the First Guards Cave Squadron, that foam was foam from under the tail.

[Rimlianin]

Essentially there is something to argue?

[Loess]

Quote: Gardamir

But nothing that under the Red Flag defeated the Nazi plague?

Well, for that matter, under the red flag, they first destroyed the Empire, and then the Union ...
I do not see the subject of the dispute, to be honest - there is a history of the state, there are its symbols. History needs to be remembered, characters respected

[Osmodey]

The holiday is doubtful, the fun is fake.

[yehat]

the tricolor flag is a colonial flag, the flag of thieves of speculators, bourgeois and laymen.
What did not suit the red flag with a star and a hammer? This is a flag of heroes and heroes created.
what are the imperial motives? This is a flag that was close to us and it was with this flag
The USSR defended its existence during ww2.
it was with the red flag that our football players went to fight, and not to serve a number on the field
the largest achievements of the nation are associated with this flag
the first astronaut in history flew with this flag
and tricolor ... leave to the traders.

[Phil77]

Quote: yehat

the footballers were going to fight

But you forgot about hockey players! And they have much more achievements than football players !!!!

[yehat]

you can’t write everything

[Radical]

However, if you trust the voiced version, the new authorities listened to the opinion of foreign "partners" who stated that "it is better to use a flag that is less associated with the empire."

Well, yes, it is better that he be associated with Vlasov ....

[Mentat]

Quote: Boris55

Quote: tihonmarine

And there is a good example - the raising of the USSR flag over the Reichstag of defeated Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich.

The flag was approved by our chosen ones as a state one and we must respect it, but somehow we don’t want to ...

Tricolor is our historical flag.
And our history is covered in glory, as are the symbols of Russia.

The inscription on the illustration: "Russian national flag." And who are you, where did you come from, what do you remember on the Military Review forum on this day, not the exploits of soldiers under the flag of your Homeland, but the traitors and the abomination that you are trying to shove here?

Peter I on duty Flag of Russia.

And you go take something to reduce the pressure of bile.

[Rimlianin]

That and that, that the best do not want to remember. And Kolchak and Denikin dragged, and Vlasov. They just do not understand the local minuscule people that these comrades used the tricolor to show their involvement in the Russian people, in Russia. A white-blue-red banner existed long before them; it truly is a symbol of Russia, our Motherland.

[Essex62]

Quote: Rimlianin

The flag cannot be defiled. Like a hymn, if it is sung by a traitor. And in the local conflicts you mentioned, our soldiers and officers heroically perished. In order that you could peacefully sit in an armchair and drinking a beer, talk about the flag. And the coffins of these heroes covered the tricolor ribbons.

Well, no matter how the crystal bakers don’t understand - the Russian peasant who threw off the centuries-old yoke of the burials of nobles, merchants and other evil spirits and who became truly free from all husks that had been tricked for centuries, didn’t give a damn about your dismantling of the lords under the Dutch merchant flag.
Only in the USSR, a guy from a remote village could become a diplomat, a world-famous scientist, marshal of the Soviet Union. A society of equal people and equal opportunities. There would be talent and perseverance. And don’t tell me that it wasn’t. I lived at that time and watched a play from the first row. Nomenclature especially did not have a damn compared to all the others. So, the solder is sweeter, but the hut is more spacious. He was visiting the secretary of the district committee, not the smallest, of the Moscow region. Not impressed.
When my grandfather, a war veteran, saw at the Victory Parade that the White Guard loomed behind the Red Banner of Victory, the Vlasov tricolor spat and swore for a long time. I seriously feared his blow was enough, there were 91 old people.
Tricolor is a symbol of the victory of the bourgeoisie and capitalism, for a true communist this is not a holiday.

[kanskebron]

Peter I on duty Flag of Russia.

Invented by him in the likeness of Western flags and left to him only for the merchant fleet. And under the Red Banner squads of Princes Oleg and Svyatoslav fought thousands of years ago.

[Radical]

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Boris55

Quote: tihonmarine

And there is a good example - the raising of the USSR flag over the Reichstag of defeated Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich.

The flag was approved by our chosen ones as a state one and we must respect it, but somehow we don’t want to ...

Tricolor is our historical flag.
And our history is covered in glory, as are the symbols of Russia.

The inscription on the illustration: "Russian national flag." And who are you, where did you come from, what do you remember on the Military Review forum on this day, not the exploits of soldiers under the flag of your Homeland, but the traitors and the abomination that you are trying to shove here?

Peter I on duty Flag of Russia.

And you go take something to reduce the pressure of bile.

The flag was desecrated by the traitor Vlasov during the Great Patriotic War - this is a historical fact! And this shame can be washed away not in a counter-terrorist operation, not in a local conflict, but in a war of liberation! And if you taught history from the textbooks of Chubais’s older brother, then this is your problem!

[Rimlianin]

The flag cannot be defiled. Like a hymn, if it is sung by a traitor. And in the local conflicts you mentioned, our soldiers and officers heroically perished. In order that you could peacefully sit in an armchair and drinking a beer, talk about the flag. And the coffins of these heroes covered the tricolor ribbons.

[Galleon]

Hmmm, well, and a holiday, right "the day of national unity" - disputes to the point of hoarseness.
In fact, I don't want any holidays from the wrestling-drunk, let him turn over in his grave. As for that good phrase: "from you ... I don't want alcohol in the cold!"

[Mentat]

Quote: Radikal

Quote: Mentat

Quote: Boris55

Quote: tihonmarine

And there is a good example - the raising of the USSR flag over the Reichstag of defeated Berlin, the capital of the Third Reich.

The flag was approved by our chosen ones as a state one and we must respect it, but somehow we don’t want to ...

Tricolor is our historical flag.
And our history is covered in glory, as are the symbols of Russia.

The inscription on the illustration: "Russian national flag." And who are you, where did you come from, what do you remember on the Military Review forum on this day, not the exploits of soldiers under the flag of your Homeland, but the traitors and the abomination that you are trying to shove here?

Peter I on duty Flag of Russia.

And you go take something to reduce the pressure of bile.

The flag was desecrated by the traitor Vlasov during the Great Patriotic War - this is a historical fact! And this shame can be washed away not in a counter-terrorist operation, not in a local conflict, but in a war of liberation! And if you taught history from the textbooks of Chubais’s older brother, then this is your problem!

You defiled yourself and dishonored such a comment - that’s a fact. It is not clear how a citizen of the country, supposedly pushing for patriotism, can generally write this. If you, of course, are a citizen of Russia in general, what I personally doubt very much.

[Radical]

Quote: Rimlianin

The flag cannot be defiled. Like a hymn, if it is sung by a traitor. And in the local conflicts you mentioned, our soldiers and officers heroically perished. In order that you could peacefully sit in an armchair and drinking a beer, talk about the flag. And the coffins of these heroes covered the tricolor ribbons.

Did he understand that he wrote - "patrician"? And who, where, and when he died, and whom he buried - not for you to tell me about this ....

[macgyver]

Western partners? Are these the kids of those who came to us with such flags in 1941? Sadly ... I'd rather change it back to red. Under it, the country flourished, under it, our grandfathers gave life to their homeland.

[Essex62]

Very sorry for our children and grandchildren. I didn’t want them to survive what the great-great-grandfathers and great-grandfathers got. Only a couple of generations lived humanly, and not in war or in the jungle of the baryzhy swamp.

[pafegosoff]

The main thing was to forget the Victory Banner?
For whom? For the State Department, for the CIA, in front of which Yeltsin was crawling on his knees ...
Therefore, the banner of the White Guards and Vlasovites was recommended to Russian vassals by Russophobes from London, the USA ...

[parusnik]

Somehow it happened so bashfully ... Yesterday they kept silent this news on the day of the grand holiday ... at one in the morning they decided to publish, so that people would run into discussion less ...