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"Minuteman" or "Poplar": who is who? Opinion Alhurra

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The events of recent months have led to a serious change in the international situation and may be a sign of the beginning of a new Cold War. Against this background, a special interest arises in the strategic nuclear forces of future potential adversaries. An interesting look at this issue on August 6 was published by the American Arabic-language publication Alhurra. An article on this topic was given the title “American Minuteman and Russian Topol: Who Has the Superiority in Nuclear Weapons?”




General background


Alhurra recalls that on the eve of the publication of the publication, the United States withdrew from the treaty on intermediate and shorter-range missiles. As a result of this step, according to experts, Russia and the United States could launch a new Cold War and an arms race.

After withdrawing from the treaty, the United States announced its plans to create new weapons. Russia, in turn, will intensify monitoring of American work in the field of medium and short-range missiles.

The INF Treaty prohibited the creation and use of missiles with a range of 500-5500 km. The United States was “forced” to withdraw from this agreement because of “violations by Moscow.” Now the US side is developing new ground-based missile systems. Cruise and ballistic missiles are created.

Global nuclear situation


The publication indicates that since the last Cold War, the number of nuclear weapons in the world has declined sharply. As of 2019, all world arsenals contain 13890 war blocks. The peak of the development of this area is 1986, when the nuclear powers had 70,3 thousand nuclear warheads.

According to the Federation of American Scientists, Russia now has the largest nuclear arsenal. She has 6500 strategic and tactical warheads. In second place is the United States with 6185 charges.

Third place in the list of nuclear powers is France with 300 warheads. 290 of such products provided fourth place to China. The five leaders closes the UK, with 215 charges. This is followed by Pakistan (150 units), India (140 units), as well as Israel (80) and DPRK (25).

In such calculations, Alhurra recalls, not only ICBMs and other missile systems were taken into account, but also free-falling bombs used aviation, - historically the first version of nuclear weapons. Further, the publication offers to carefully consider the nuclear potential of Russia and the United States.

US weapons


Land forces of the strategic nuclear forces use the LGM-30G Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile. This product was created by Boeing and is capable of carrying several nuclear warheads. The rocket has a starting weight of 36 t and develops speed up to M = 23. Flight range - 13 thousand km, the maximum height of the trajectory - 1100 km.

Nuclear-powered submarine carriers carry the UGM-133A Trident II ICBM created by Lockheed Martin. The three-stage rocket has a length of 13 m and a mass of 59 tons. The cost of the product is 30 million dollars. Experts believe that Trident-2 is the most effective weapons American SNF.

B-52 strategic bombers can use AGM-86B cruise missiles. A missile 6 m long weighs 1430 kg and costs about 1 million dollars. Such missiles can be equipped with nuclear warheads.



The main weapon of strategic aviation in the USA Alhurra calls tactical free-falling bomb B61. This weapon has a length of approx. 4 m and weight of the order of 320 kg. In total, about 3 thousand of similar products were released.

Russian weapons


First of all, the Topol-M ICBM is mentioned. This product with a length of 22 m and a mass of 47 t can be used with silo launchers or on mobile soil complexes. Flight range - 11 thousand km, maximum speed on the trajectory M = 22. The missile is equipped with nuclear warheads.

P-36 family missiles, manufactured in the eighties, remain in service. Such ICBMs with nuclear warheads are used only with launchers. The length of the 32 rocket is m, the starting weight is 209 tons.

Among the carriers of nuclear weapons, Alhurra also indicates the 9K720 Iskander operational-tactical complex, and calls it the “medium-range system”. This complex is called the reason that the United States withdrew from the INF Treaty. At the same time, the publication immediately writes about the firing range to 500 km.

The publication also did not forget about the legendary Tsar Bomb. It is alleged that two products were created. One was tested at the test site, and the second is still in storage. Such ammunition has a length of 8 m and weighs 27 t.

Which is better?


Alhurra tries to find the answer to an obvious question and in this case resorts to the opinion of an expert. The authors cite statements by Dr. Jeffrey Lewis in the recent past, published by Business Insider.

J. Lewis believes that the number of nuclear weapons in the country's arsenal is not a key criterion for their power and effectiveness. He also argued that Russian claims of nuclear superiority “are most likely untrue.”

In one of his interviews, J. Lewis spoke about the opinions of the officers of the United Strategic Command responsible for the use of strategic nuclear forces. For several decades in a row, they have been saying that if it was necessary to choose between Russian and American weapons, they would choose domestic.

American missiles and warheads, according to Dr. Lewis, can not "destroy entire continents." At the same time, they are better suited for solving strategic tasks determined by the US command. An expert points out that American missiles "look like Ferrari cars." They are beautiful and can perform their tasks for a long time.

According to J. Lewis, Russian industry is characterized by the development of systems that need regular modernization. However, the result of this is to obtain results comparable to the American ones. In addition, the Russian command prefers mobile soil complexes “on cheap trucks”, while the United States mainly uses silo launchers.



J. Lewis sees another difference in the strategies of the two countries in the specifics of the use of weapons and the wishes of the military. The United States loves accuracy, and the ideal weapon for them is a small charge that can fly into a window and blow up a building. The Russian military prefers to launch a dozen warheads in both the building and the city. As an argument in favor of this thesis, Dr. Lewis mentions the particularities of the work of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria.

Ambiguous opinion


An Alhurra article is quite interesting in that it leaves a ton of questions. It contains factual errors, mixed ratings, and strange quotes. The material ends with a logical and expected conclusion - for an American publication, even if it is published in a different language.

There is no particular point in a detailed analysis of all Alhurra errors. You can immediately proceed to the search for the reasons for the appearance of such controversial publications. Without much work, several prerequisites can be found at once.

The most obvious reason is immediately apparent. This is the publication’s desire to “work out” a relevant topic. In early August, the United States officially withdrew from the INF Treaty, which resulted in a mass of thematic publications in the media. Alhurra decided to keep up and also considered a pressing issue with far-reaching conclusions.

Apparently, the publication does not pay due attention to the study of military affairs, because of which the article contains a lot of gross errors of various kinds. Incorrect characteristics of weapons are given, the purpose of the products is incorrectly indicated, and experimental samples of the past are mentioned as actual and real military weapons.

Finally, an expert opinion is given that clearly prefers one of the compared parties. His findings are controversial, but may be pleasing to the American public with patriotic moods. All this is more like an attempt to obtain the desired results that correspond to the current agenda.

In general, we are talking about an attempt by a non-core publication to consider military-technical and military-political issues with obtaining politically correct conclusions. With this approach to business, objectivity suffers, and unpleasant questions arise. However, articles of this kind continue to appear in foreign media and, importantly, continue to influence public opinion.


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  1. Constructor68
    Constructor68 22 August 2019 18: 17
    +21
    Yes, we have sofa experts give more balanced analytics. And then half-fictional, half-far-fetched. Or in the calculation that camel riders are all the same - that poplar, that trident
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 22 August 2019 18: 26
      0
      Quote: Designer 68
      Yes, we have sofa experts give more balanced analytics.

      You need to try to find such an "expert" .. (J. Lewis), if they have all the same there, if only articles of similar experts are published here ..
    2. Dmitry Potapov
      Dmitry Potapov 22 August 2019 18: 27
      +9
      Yes, our sofa experts in case of a polemic with American sofa experts will smash them on the head! Not getting up from the couch.
      1. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 22 August 2019 19: 29
        +2
        wassat I’d like to arrange ... this, how is it ... a battle of chtoli, or a battle wassat we would have them. One hand would be enough to knock on the keyboard
        1. Mestny
          Mestny 23 August 2019 00: 01
          -6
          One problem.
          Our sofa experts are mainly on the same sofa with theirs.
          On one side of the barricades, so to speak.
          1. igorbrsv
            igorbrsv 23 August 2019 00: 37
            0
            Will have to look for common ground
            . the question of whom the respondents consider to be the enemy of the country (several answers could be given). The main enemies of Russia were the United States (68%), Ukraine (29%) and the European Union (14%). This is followed by the former republics of the USSR (10%), Poland (8%), Germany, NATO and England (6% each), supporters of fundamental Islam and the Islamic State banned in Russia (5%)

            The survey was conducted by the Levada Center. Doubtful organization. Maybe they also underestimated the numbers. request
            And I would add more options.
            And Romania is something not to be seen on the list. Although the EU is on the list, maybe that's why.
            One thing is certain. Who is the first on this list
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 22 August 2019 21: 55
        +1
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        Yes, our sofa experts in case of a polemic with American sofa experts will smash them on the head! Not getting up from the couch.

        Our people are more educated and comprehensively developed .. especially those who studied in the USSR.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 22 August 2019 22: 05
          -14
          Quote: Svarog
          Our people are more educated and comprehensively developed .. especially those who studied in the USSR

          I do not know what, where and how you "studied in the USSR" there, but the feed is clearly not a horse yes

          Don't stick around, Svarog, don't stick around ... but about "in the USSR" - I personally know about a dozen young people who, "who studied in the USSR," will be tucked into their belts - but just casually. How do I know? Yes, I work with them, see la request
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 22 August 2019 22: 28
            +6
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I do not know what, where and how you "studied in the USSR" there, but the feed is clearly not a horse

            And where did you see me about myself? You knocked again laughing
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            and about "in the USSR" - I personally know about a dozen youngsters who will gag you, "who studied in the USSR," just casually.

            I am glad that we have such young people .. And I do not pretend to be the most intelligent .. I only have authority in you laughing And as for the young, then I have the eldest daughter of those who plugs anyone in the belt .. and the average is growing up, also very competent.
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            How do I know? Yes, I work with them, see la

            It’s not at all interesting where you gather information from. .. Your taste is disgusting laughing I went to your profile, I look, there are fabulous articles, but I didn’t understand, did you write them yourself or did you really like them? The articles are already old, you can clearly see how the fairy tale turned into a reality .. It turns out no way .. Especially about the yuan amused .. hi
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 22 August 2019 23: 06
              -10
              Quote: Svarog
              And where did you see me about myself?

              Well, we’ll write it down: the recommending Svarog refused to answer leading questions, began to bustle and slip out laughing

              Quote: Svarog
              Glad we have such young people ..

              Not with you, but with us wink

              Quote: Svarog
              I have the eldest daughter of those who shut up anyone’s belt ..

              That's no offense - but somehow for you it ... is not determined request

              Quote: Svarog
              ... articles are fabulous, just did not understand, you yourself wrote them ...

              The author is indicated there, and this is not me. By the way, I don’t see anything particularly fabulous in the articles personally. However, the taste and color of all the markers ... yes

              Quote: Svarog
              Especially about the yuan amused ..

              This is a typical case of "laughing for no reason." IMHO, essno.
          2. Proxima
            Proxima 22 August 2019 22: 33
            +9
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I personally know about a dozen youngsters who, "who studied in the USSR," will be gagged in their belts - just carelessly. How do I know? Yes, I work with them, see la

            You are very lucky with the young. Statistics suggest otherwise. Even compared to 2000, the level of intelligence of the population in Russia fell by 30 percent. Of course you will say that there was an incorrect poll and so on. The sad thing is that each generation that received a Soviet education is more intelligent to us than the previous. And vice versa, every generation that has received a Russian education is dumber than the previous one. Can't you see it?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 22 August 2019 23: 20
              -9
              Quote: Proxima
              You are very lucky with the young

              I just have the opportunity to choose with whom to work and communicate.

              Quote: Proxima
              Statistics suggest otherwise. Even compared to the 2000 year, the level of intelligence of the population in Russia fell by 30 percent

              Funny statistics, do not you pamper a reference?

              Quote: Proxima
              each generation that received a Soviet education is more intelligent to us than the previous

              IMHO nonsense: 1. The level of intelligence in general correlates weakly with general education. 2. Based on examples from my own life, I can’t say with certainty that my repose was an order of magnitude more "intellectual" than the generation of my parents, and two orders of magnitude more than my grandfathers. Here the language does not turn somehow)))

              Quote: Proxima
              And vice versa...

              ... and in the same way I cannot say that the current ones are dumber than "mine". Yes, they are in many ways unlike us, but they are quite lively guys ... well, if we do not consider obvious pathology.

              Everything is strictly IMHO and based on my personal impressions, naturally yes
              1. Proxima
                Proxima 22 August 2019 23: 42
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                IMHO nonsense:

                You write nonsense. It feels like we live in different states.
                1. igorbrsv
                  igorbrsv 23 August 2019 00: 19
                  +3
                  Allow and I will intervene. I am familiar with young people who do not have the appropriate education, but are very savvy in the field of high technology. But there are not many recourse
                  In general, you are both right.
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 23 August 2019 06: 14
                  -4
                  Quote: Proxima
                  You write nonsense

                  You are now wished me to write nonsense. What you wanted to say spelled differently.

                  Quote: Proxima
                  It feels like we live in different states

                  Everyone writes how he hears (c) Okudzhava.

                  And I’ll finish, perhaps. Ruddy critic of mine (s).

                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  I know young people who do not have the appropriate education, but are very knowledgeable in the field of high technology

                  They have always been, now there are simply more of them.

                  One such in the forgotten 1988 worked in my "box", the position - software engineer, with the formation of 7 classes)))

                  But the programmer is from God, really. Now some big boss at some private owners, as far as I know.
            2. goose
              goose 26 August 2019 12: 18
              +1
              Quote: Proxima
              You are very lucky with the young. Statistics suggest otherwise. Even compared to 2000, the level of intelligence of the population in Russia fell by 30 percent.

              I’ll give up my 5 kopecks: the stratification of education has greatly intensified. The general drop in the level of education and erudition is very noticeable, but despite this, the layer of capable people still holds, although it has become less numerous. But the law of numbers cannot be fooled, the abilities of the current generation of young people have declined, and motivation has changed for the worse. As a result, it can create fewer times.
              Although in some areas it may surpass the generation of the USSR.
    3. tol100v
      tol100v 22 August 2019 18: 57
      0
      Quote: Designer 68
      Or in the calculation that camel riders are all the same - that poplar, that trident

      Can't all "Experts" understand that the use of nuclear weapons will wipe everything off the face of the earth !? Our Strategic Missile Forces can do it all within half an hour, and report that they are ready to carry out the order again !!!
      1. AUL
        AUL 22 August 2019 19: 21
        +6
        Again, the editorial staff is printing crap. What for? request
        1. Chilean Abalon
          Chilean Abalon 22 August 2019 19: 24
          +7
          For the sake of comments. The more comments, the higher the rating. The higher the rating, the more advertising revenue. Unfortunately, stats for hype, more and more.
      2. igorbrsv
        igorbrsv 22 August 2019 19: 31
        -3
        Their experts cannot understand, but our turn is the first to "press the button" wassat
      3. vadim dok
        vadim dok 23 August 2019 13: 20
        0
        Of course, what the value of 5001 or 5145 nuclear warheads has hit the country, and which country has slightly better or worse rockets, anyway the country (no matter which) will have a complete end!
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 23 August 2019 22: 47
          +1
          Colossal: for each target there should be two warheads from different carriers. In your example, up to 144 unaffected targets may remain, and the targets for nuclear weapons are quite serious (naval bases, for example, or defense industry enterprises). And from 5000 warheads there will not be a complete end, the only thing that can come out is to well reduce the industrial potential and previously acquired weapons (if they are not taken out before the collapse).
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 24 August 2019 13: 28
            0
            Quote: bk0010
            for each target there should be two warheads from different carriers.

            This requirement applies only to highly protected, point targets, such as the OS. And for area targets (such as Hiroshima) - and one is enough ... And even with a miss of kilometers from the aiming point. Areas called they are ...
            AHA.
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 22 August 2019 18: 23
    +3
    “The American Minuteman and the Russian Topol: Who Has the Superiority in Nuclear Weapons?”

    If, God forbid, you have to measure, then there will be a complete draw.
    Uno Uno Uno Momento, Uno Uno Santimento, Uno Uno Compliment, Sacramento, Sacramento, Sacramento, Sacramento, Sacramentntoo. ... In general, everyone is dead!

  3. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 22 August 2019 18: 24
    +3
    Well yes. The Americans have both the "most accurate" and "most humane" weapons. It is not scary to die from such a weapon. That's just about the number of warheads in Russia and the United States, the numbers are dubious. Nobody in the general public can know them for sure. And also how quickly can the "unused" be returned to service. One can perhaps only assume who will increase the capacity for their production faster
    1. tol100v
      tol100v 22 August 2019 19: 00
      +1
      Quote: igorbrsv
      . Perhaps one can only guess who will increase the capacity for their production faster.
      Reply

      Enough of what is in service! If "this" did not exist, then Russia would no longer exist!
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 August 2019 20: 50
      -1
      "Nobody in the general public can know them for sure" ////
      ---
      They are just exactly known. Until the agreement is canceled
      on the reduction of strategic weapons.
      Both parties regularly check the number of deployed
      each other’s ICBM warhead.
  4. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 22 August 2019 18: 25
    -1
    Who showed whom the collapse of the USSR and the entry into NATO of the Warsaw Pact countries. And then there were more missiles. How to make sure that our army does not betray the country and does not change the oath as in 1917 and in 1991, which year is next?
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 22 August 2019 19: 19
      -4
      Quote: Plague Doctor
      joining the Warsaw Pact countries to NATO.

      So these are venal, political prostitutes: Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Poland. Poland has always been an enemy of Russia, Romania was called by Lenin as "political simple", all these countries fought on the side of Hitler against Russia. They would betray Russia at any moment. It was necessary not to involve them in the "Warsaw Treaty", but simply to destroy them.
      1. Chilean Abalon
        Chilean Abalon 22 August 2019 19: 26
        0
        Poles fought on the side of Hitler? Or maybe they took Berlin together with the Soviet army.
        1. bistrov.
          bistrov. 22 August 2019 19: 34
          0
          Quote: Locos
          Poles fought on the side of Hitler?

          And who, together with Hitler, divided Czechoslovakia in 1938? Berlin was not taken by Poland, but mainly Soviet citizens of Polish nationality, well, partly Polish volunteers who voluntarily moved to the territory of the USSR in 1939.
          Anders' troops, formed from captured Poles, trained and armed with Soviet money, refused to fight on the Soviet-German front and the USSR was forced to transfer them to the so-called. "allies" in the anti-Hitler coalition.
          1. Chilean Abalon
            Chilean Abalon 22 August 2019 20: 06
            0
            And who then divided Poland in 1939? Based on your statement, the USSR fought on the side of Hitler.
            1. bistrov.
              bistrov. 23 August 2019 01: 27
              +1
              Quote: Locos
              And who then divided Poland in 1939?

              And who forbids taking your own? Neither Galicia nor Belarus is Poland, Galicia has been called "Krasnaya Rus" since ancient times, therefore, in 1939, with Germany, where Hitler, by the way, was a democratically elected government, a non-aggression pact was signed, which determined the western border of the USSR, which Typically, all Western countries agreed with this border, which was determined back in 1918 following the results of the 1st World War - the "Curzon line" is called, have you heard? No? Newspapers need to be read and liberals listen less ...
            2. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 24 August 2019 13: 39
              +1
              Quote: Locos
              And who then divided Poland in 1939?

              In the 1939 year, the USSR regained exactly what was agreed upon in the 1919 year along the Curzon line, and was chopped off by Pan Poland in the 1921 year after the inglorious expedition of the spacecraft to Warsaw. So, Poland picked up crumbs from the European table behind Germany when she bit off Czechoslovakia. But something doesn’t particularly shout about it in modern EUROPE, but against Russia Russia opens its mouth to the width of a butt ... It’s not afraid to catch a cold and lose its front teeth ...
              But.
        2. CommanderDIVA
          CommanderDIVA 22 August 2019 21: 46
          -1
          1st and 2nd army of the Polish troops on the side of the USSR film "4 tankmen and a dog" in the Wehrmacht served about one hundred thousand Poles, mainly in support units
        3. Plague doctor
          Plague doctor 22 August 2019 22: 46
          +1
          Poles prostitutes, always with those with whom it is more convenient
        4. Plague doctor
          Plague doctor 22 August 2019 22: 50
          0
          Yes, part of the Poles fought for Hitler, the factories of Poland and the Polish workers worked for Nazi Germany. Ate?
        5. svp67
          svp67 24 August 2019 13: 48
          0
          Quote: Locos
          Poles fought on the side of Hitler?

          Fought and what?
          Especially important
          Secretly
          Ex. N1
          To Business RO
          SCAN N201 to 6.00 14.7.43 STAFF OF THE VORONEZH FRONT
          .... Prisoners of 1/678 pp 332 pd captured on 12.7 in the RAKOVO area showed: on July 4, the division received a mission from the command of the Southern Group of Forces on the Eastern Front - to advance as part of the BELGOROD grouping on KURSK. On the left, 332 pd, 255 pd, on the right, TD SS "Great Germany". National composition 332 pd: 40% - Poles, 10% - Czechs, and the rest Germans (emphasis added). The division is commanded by Colonel TIMM, which is part of the 52 AK 5 Army. ...
          RCHA, f.71, op.25, d.18802s, l. 51-54.
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  5. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 22 August 2019 19: 25
    0
    = Apparently, the publication does not pay due attention to the study of military affairs, because of which the article contains a lot of gross errors of various kinds. =
    Why not give at least one "gross error" as an example?
  6. sabakina
    sabakina 22 August 2019 20: 15
    +1
    characteristic of the development of systems in need of regular modernization. However, the result of this is to obtain results comparable to the American ones. In addition, the Russian command prefers mobile soil complexes “on cheap trucks”, while the United States mainly uses silo launchers.
    laughing
  7. engineer74
    engineer74 22 August 2019 20: 33
    +5
    Just yesterday, IT read on INOSMI. Neighing, and really hoped that it won’t get to topwar.ru! sad
  8. Old26
    Old26 22 August 2019 21: 09
    +7
    Analysts can call such an article unless with a strong budun ... And the answer to the question
    An article on this topic was given the title “American Minuteman and Russian Topol: Who Has the Superiority in Nuclear Weapons?”

    If you answer the directly posed question, and not go over to the consideration of the entire nuclear arsenal of the parties, then undoubtedly the American Minuteman is only due to the fact that there are 4 hundred of them in service, and there are less than half a hundred poplars in the Strategic Missile Forces ....
  9. Potato
    Potato 22 August 2019 21: 34
    -11
    R36 missiles are rotten and unbreakable. Sarmat is not ready. Poplars are not powerful enough and long-range. All these games with gray-petrels from the inability to mass-produce mbr like p36. Everything is bad with our rockets
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 August 2019 02: 25
      0
      Go dig the potatoes.
  10. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 22 August 2019 21: 51
    +1
    and who is stronger - Superman or Batman? article in the same series
    1. Serg4545
      Serg4545 23 August 2019 08: 51
      +1
      // and who is stronger - Superman or Batman? //
      This question has already been resolved. Have you watched a movie?
      Batman won!
  11. DPN
    DPN 22 August 2019 21: 53
    0
    Why are you powdering your brains, Garant said for a long time: WE ARE IN PARADISE, and the owners are Minuteman in HELL, so what is the argument?
    If Russia has not thrown away the Soviet legacy in the form of the Nuclear Shield, then there is no difference between who and whom? All living things on the "BALL" will be the END, or pick up a stronger word for yourself.
  12. Greenwood
    Greenwood 23 August 2019 02: 49
    0
    The Russian command prefers mobile soil complexes “on cheap trucks”, while the United States mainly uses silo launchers.
    lol
    The eight-wheeled chassis MZKT-79221 somehow does not look like a "cheap truck".


    They confuse the campaign with the Iranians.
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    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 23 August 2019 04: 43
      +2
      Quote: ffaff
      DEFENSE - lawyers, reindeer herders, builders, journalists, furniture merchants and other idiots - who DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY AND WASTE THE PEOPLE BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS ... !!
      The most experienced politicians and potential commanders in the meantime are pushing through the sofa and sitting on the VO. Not fair. crying
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        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 August 2019 16: 28
          0
          Quote: ffaff
          YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY:
          You use capital letters so actively that your entire post looks like a tantrum breaking into a cry (I can hardly imagine a hysterical missile). Therefore, there is something to answer, to argue, I see no reason. You should calm down to start and stop pressing Caps Lock.
    2. cyborg
      cyborg 23 August 2019 10: 43
      +1
      Ground installations alone are not enough, since the approach time is too long and the enemy is more likely to destroy the target. Conversely, in the case of using the TU-160, the flight time is reduced, and the APRK in general can approach almost the coast. Another triad is an obvious plus that you can use its air and sea parts for the use of non-nuclear weapons. For example, this was shown in the process of combating terrorists in Syria ..
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        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 23 August 2019 16: 31
          +1
          Quote: ffaff
          YOU WRITE A REAL

          Quote: ffaff
          FUNNY AND NICE

          Quote: ffaff
          I CAN CONTINUE TO CONTINUE - BUT AND THIS IS ENOUGH

          Quote: ffaff
          DO NOT CONSIDER ANYTHING IN THIS - AND POSTER
          Lord, drink already valerianochki. You have delirium tremens.
        2. cyborg
          cyborg 23 August 2019 17: 45
          0
          This is how long it took to scratch this opus ?? Is not it a pity for his time ?? Although in a mental hospital, where do you write, what else to do ?? Then I understand .. and I wish you recovery ..
  15. kalibr
    kalibr 23 August 2019 07: 24
    -1
    Quote: Proxima
    And vice versa, each generation that received a Russian education is dumber than the previous one. Can't you see it?

    I do not see, although I worked in VS from 1982 to 2018 for a year. Strengths were there now. It's like comparing sour to fresh.
  16. kalibr
    kalibr 23 August 2019 07: 27
    0
    Quote: ffaff
    DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE ELEMENTARY AND WASTELY WASTE PEOPLE BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS ... !!

    Title, epaulettes, orders, dachas, etc. .. must be justified!
  17. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 23 August 2019 10: 36
    +1
    Worryingly, the Americans consider their missile weapons to be better than ours. That means they are counting on victory (if the doctor is not lying), and this is fraught with mutual destruction at any moment. The thought would easily come to such a head to "cheat" us in a missile duel. As a result, hello the Apostle Peter, or who else believes in whom what
  18. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 23 August 2019 11: 09
    +1
    An outstanding set of ravings, issued with an ambitious aplomb - that's the whole doctor said! By the way, which is typical - the price for missiles is affixed (see, this is the most important parameter for strategic weapons).
    In general, - "... The trouble is, if the patty starts to wear boots ... !!
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  19. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 14: 46
    +1
    how did this "author" even guess to compare minitman3 and poplar? Missiles of different classes!
    If you compare, then the RS-20 (ss-18, R-36m) with a minuteman.
    I'm not talking about lyrical passages about accuracy, about flying into a window and crooked Russian rockets.
    and about the fact that the Russians were accused of exactly the bombing that they did not do, but the Americans did regularly in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Vietnam, etc.
    can the author tell you what type of guidance heads on cluster bombs that scatter b-52?
  20. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 14: 51
    +1
    Quote: ffaff
    GUARANTEED (100%) get lost when leaving the airspace of Russia: missiles MIM-104 "PATRIOT" - range 100 km, altitude 25 km and ship-borne missiles SM-3 of the AEGIS system - range 500 km, altitude 250 km - which are FULL around our borders

    here it is not necessary about the guarantee of defeat, as well as about the fact that they are everywhere.
    For example, after the Iraq conflict, the Israelis no longer trust the patriots to defend their skies.
    Because several missiles skad missed. And recently, SM3 crap fully 3 times in the southeast in Japan and in exercises, could not hit even standard goals.
    The threat from them is growing, but it is very far from what you described. bombers are really not very effective, but underestimate their threat is also not worth it.
  21. PPD
    PPD 23 August 2019 16: 02
    0
    Neglected case. laughing
    And to type in a search engine, at least, START 3 and read is not fate?
    There you can read about the number of warheads and find out that the basis of the US strategic nuclear forces is Trident 2, and not the Minuteman.
    About restrictions on separable warheads, etc. You can learn a lot.
    And if you do not stop and try to find out something else, for example, about Topol-M, then you can be surprised to find not only rocket 155, but also 165. I can further suggest reading and you can find out an amazing thing - not all "rocket men" are about it apparently they know
    "The deployment of the first missiles in modified silos used for missiles UR-100N (15A30, RS-18, SS-19 Stiletto), began in 1997 on December 25, 1997 on experimental combat duty in the 60th missile division (village Tatishchevo ) the first two [20] 15Zh65 missiles (starting minimum) of the first in the Strategic Missile Forces regiment armed with the 15P065-35 missile system [21] [note 1] - the 104th missile regiment were delivered. [22] A December 30, 1998, 104- The 23st missile regiment (commander - Lieutenant Colonel Yu.S. Petrovsky [10]) took up combat duty with a full complement of 20 silos with silo-based Topol-M ICBMs. [10] Four more regiments with silo-based Topol-M ICBMs took up combat duty on December 1999, 24 [26], December 2000, 15 (rearmament from 060P24), [21] December 2003, 25 [9] and December 2005, 26. [XNUMX] "
    "About how many wonderful discoveries the age of enlightenment is preparing for us!"

    P.S. I give a certificate - to read Wikipedia (at least) access is not needed.
  22. Old26
    Old26 23 August 2019 16: 54
    +5
    Quote: yehat
    how did this "author" even guess to compare minitman3 and poplar? Missiles of different classes!

    By the way, there is nothing unusual. The author compared rockets of approximately the same class. But you are wrong when you write that these are missiles of various classes. ranges are about the same, starting and throwing weights - too. The difference is only in the methods of basing

    Quote: yehat
    If you compare, then the RS-20 (ss-18, R-36m) with a minuteman.

    But this is nonsense. Comparing a rocket with a launch weight of about 36 tons with a 200-ton rocket is not very correct. They have only one thing in common - MIRV. Anything else would be a pull by the ears. Comparing the throw weight of 1 ton with 8,8 ton is very far from reality. If we compare the missiles of the R-36M family with something, it’s the Titan-2. but that was no longer in service before the R-36M family of missiles entered service. But there would be at least a comparison of two heavy missiles with LPRE, and not heavy and light missiles, respectively, with LPRE and turbojet engine

    Quote: ffaff
    I EXPLAIN AS A RACER:

    As a rocket launcher you carry a lot of blizzard

    Quote: ffaff
    1. LGM-30 Minuteman - the old SLUMPER adopted in 1970 - almost half an century ago ...!

    As a rocket scientist, you should know (but do not seem to know) that this complex has been undergoing a series of upgrades since 1998. in the course of which the engines, and fuel charges, and the aiming and guidance system were replaced. In fact, only the name remained from the old "Minuteman", which was put into service in 1970.

    Quote: ffaff
    The radioactive substances in the warheads half-decay and disable the "ancient" electronics of missile control systems - and this stuff WILL NOT BE ABLE to perform combat missions !!

    In fact, the half-life of plutonium is tens of thousands of years. Of course, changes take place, the material becomes "dirtier" as a result of the process, but for this, work is being done on modernization, the so-called. LEP Program - Life Extension. Accordingly, after this, the warhead receives a modified index, depending on what work was carried out on it. In particular, warheads that have passed the LEP program have, for example, the index W-78-1, W-78-2, etc.
    The same processes are happening in our warheads. Physics alone

    Quote: ffaff
    2. "Poplar" is just SHOT ...!
    - Mobility severely limits the size and weight of the rocket, and most importantly - the POWER OF THE CHARGE - about TEN TIMES! For example: mine "Voevoda" - 10 megatons, and mobile "Topol - M" - 1 megaton.

    In fact, you, as a missile engineer, should know that the warheads of the Topol and Voyevoda are comparable. Both the "poplar" and the "Voevoda" BG have approximately the same power. And the difference is that there are 10 of them on Voevoda, which in total gives a tenfold excess in power

    Quote: ffaff
    - They are completely defenseless - in the main position SPU are in light ground sheds, and in the field position - generally in the open ...

    And what does it change, in addition to the fact that it is, in principle, indifferent where someone is at least due to the fact that the "Topol" can shoot without leaving, as you write from the "barn". And you, as a rocket engineer, should know that the Topol launcher is not an SPU, but an APU. And for the first time I hear that a rocket engineer speaks so dismissively about the infrastructure of a kind of troops - "sheds"

    Quote: ffaff
    - In the field areas of Military Watch - a huge convoy travels slowly (less than 40 km per hour) and is easily detected by satellites. THESE AREAS ARE LITTLE AND Rather Quickly The Opponent recognizes them EVERYTHING and ALWAYS KNOWS exactly where the SPUs are now.

    Yeah. And the regularly updated documents on the satellite situation, the calculations probably smoked without reading. A huge column is a maximum of one and a half dozen cars. And this column moves on the PBSP during the "windows".

    Quote: ffaff
    Therefore, all the "movements" of the missile carriers are absolutely SENSE! If you steal all the wheels, then the combat readiness of mobile complexes will only INCREASE (!) - since you will not have to lower the combat readiness for regular removal from duty, many hours of marches and return to duty in a new position.

    Well, this nonsense does not make sense to comment

    Quote: ffaff
    3. Intercontinental ballistic missiles should be placed ONLY IN MINES!
    - The coordinates of the mine RK are known, but this does not give advantages to the enemy because they are in the depths of our vast country and their missiles will start FASTER than the enemy’s destruction means reach them.
    And just in case - they are protected even from a nuclear explosion!
    - The most vulnerable is the active part of the trajectory (AUT) - when the missiles start and gain speed - it passes over the territory of Russia and is UNREACHABLE for enemy missile defense.

    You, as a rocket launcher, should know that the PGRK divisions do not stand on the border. And the OUT PGRK, in the same way as the OUT mine, is completed over the territory of Russia. Only PUT PLCs, as they are lighter and more solid fuel shorter.

    Quote: ffaff
    Only traitors or the weak-minded are adopting complexes - TEN TIMES WEAKER AND HUNDREDS FULLER DEFENSE than necessary and possible ...!

    And you, as a rocket player, probably have not heard of diversification. Each component of the triad, including and Strategic Missile Forces their tasks. And for these tasks and complexes are created. But you consider everyone who stood at the origins of the Strategic Missile Forces development as half-witted and traitors. The point then is to talk to you if you have already decided everything for yourself?
  23. pylon101
    pylon101 24 August 2019 07: 28
    0
    The opinion of the next neocon, writing for such a liberal garbage can as Business Insider, could be completely skipped.
    But the topic itself of the new arms race is not very happy.
    It will be very difficult for us to maintain parity, even bearing in mind the unthinkable corruption, institutional corruption, in the field of armaments in the USA.
    We really need “disruptive” technologies based on our superiority in the basic sciences.
  24. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 24 August 2019 12: 22
    +1
    Back in my school years, I heard the statements on the radio of one of the party functionaries, who, when discussing the arms race, quoted in his own words the statement of some Western activist. The essence of this boiled down to the fact that the number of nuclear warheads had reached such a level that their further build-up makes no sense. In particular, a Western official allegedly gave the following example: "Imagine that two people are knee-deep in kerasin, one has a box with five matches, and the other has only three. Which of them has the advantage? It is clear that the slightest spark will burn out. both."
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 24 August 2019 22: 10
      -1
      Don’t confuse then and now: Brezhnev’s grandfather had more than 20000 warheads (25000? - I don’t remember exactly) charges (a significant part of which is the megaton class), now - about 1500 (most of them 150-200 kT). Under Brezhnev, in the event that a preemptive strike was missed (up to 95% of the charges were destroyed, no one else guarantees), the remaining 5% was enough to make the US cancer, and now it’s only a little shit in response.
  25. Looking for
    Looking for 25 August 2019 15: 49
    +1
    Since they have begun to measure their "merits."
    1. Zementbomber
      Zementbomber 15 September 2020 10: 51
      -1
      In% to population - just the opposite. The United States is played by social demography, national characteristics of urbanism, decentralization of critical infrastructure of life support, a network of anti-radiation shelters and just the climate, finally.
  26. Zementbomber
    Zementbomber 15 September 2020 10: 44
    -1
    According to the Federation of American Scientists, Russia now has the largest nuclear arsenal. She has 6500 strategic and tactical warheads. In second place is the United States with 6185 charges.

    OMG! The Federation of American Scientists names the figure for the Russian Federation - ~ 6800.
    The United States declassified its data in early May 2010 - 5113 + "several hundred decommissioned and awaiting dismantling."
    Great Britain has officially declared that its nuclear arsenal "does not exceed 185 warheads."
    What's in Israel's nuclear arsenal minimum 100 warheads - it became known after the revelations of Vanunu in the 1980s.

    Thoroughly!