Russia and France are creating a joint project of an armored car

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During the recent forum of Technology in Mechanical Engineering-2012, several contracts were concluded and many interesting News. In particular, it became known that the military-technical cooperation between Russia and France will not be limited to the landing ships of the Mistral project alone. By the end of next 2013, the list of joint projects will be added to the new model of the armored car.

Russia and France are creating a joint project of an armored car


The cooperation of the two countries in the field of lightly armored vehicles became known back in February 2010. Then the first information appeared about the interest shown by the Russian security forces in the French Panhard VBL armored car. It was reported that the parties are ready to start discussing the terms of the future contract. However, news of an agreement on VBL shipments soon ceased to flow. Finally, at the very end of the 2010 of the year, it was announced the creation of a joint Russian-Italian enterprise, which will be engaged in the construction of Iveco LMV armored cars, in the Russian version received the name "Lynx". After that, any broad discussion of possible purchases of French equipment finally ceased. A small surge of activity around this topic took place in March last year, when a number of media outlets reported on the almost successful conclusion of negotiations on VBL armored cars. Then it was argued that in the coming months a contract for the construction and supply of five hundred such machines to Russia could be signed. But here it all ended at the news level - the contract was not signed, and messages about the agreements were soon forgotten.

As it turned out, the responsible persons from the national defense complex did not forget about these negotiations. Rosoboronexport Deputy General Director I. Sevastyanov at the Technology in Mechanical Engineering-2012 forum told reporters about the current state of affairs in the cooperation of Russia and France in the field of armored vehicles. Negotiations of previous years were not in vain and led to a new agreement between the countries. Russia and France have agreed to create a joint project of a new promising armored car. The approximate completion of the project is one and a half years.

Technical details of the project have not yet been announced. Nevertheless, there are certain grounds for believing that the new armored car will, to a certain extent, resemble the already mentioned VBL. If this car really interested Russian security officials, then it probably has certain qualities that meet their requirements. Accordingly, on the basis of the Panhard VBL car, a new design can be created that has common components and assemblies with it. A few words about the French armored car. The car with a gross weight of up to four tons is equipped with a diesel engine with horsepower 95 and, when driving on the highway, it can accelerate to over a hundred kilometers per hour. Reservation of the base case implies protection against non-armor-piercing bullets of 7,62 caliber of millimeter and small pieces of ammunition, which corresponds to the first level of the STANAG 4569 standard. The machine can be armed with a machine gun, an automatic grenade launcher, anti-tank missiles and other weapons that can be mounted on its turret. With such characteristics, the VBL armored car can have the same tactical niche that was originally envisaged for domestic armored personnel carriers - transportation of personnel to the front edge. In addition, these machines can be useful in police operations, when the fighters are not threatened by something more serious than a rifle weapons.

In addition to actually creating a joint project, Sevastyanov blurted out about the status of the project. By now, he said, the layout of the future armored car is ready. From this we can conclude that the joint design work is not the first day or even the first month. For whatever reason, the existence of a joint project was announced just now - one can only guess. In addition, according to the deputy head of Rosoboronexport, the new armored vehicle has certain prospects. So, first of all this equipment will go to serve in the Russian power structures and, probably, in French. It is also planned to create an export version of the armored car for deliveries to third countries. A good image of a new car can be attributed in part to its French origin - in addition to France, VBLs are already in use in 17 countries of Europe, Asia and South America. Accordingly, the new car, which goes back to the Panhard VBL, will at least attract the attention of potential buyers.

The consequences of the joint Russian-French project of an armored car can be several positive things at once. First of all, the range of equipment of the Russian army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB will be supplemented with a new machine, created using the developments of leading companies in the industry. The second positive side is the possibility of producing armored cars at their enterprises. For example, the start of production of “Lynx” in Voronezh ensured the creation of dozens of jobs. Finally, French achievements in the construction of armored vehicles, coupled with the reputation of Russian military equipment, will help both countries to promote their product on the international market and make good money on its sales.


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  1. vadimus
    +12
    7 July 2012 09: 22
    Well, our armored cars will be abruptly. In general, if Germany and France are torn to be friends, then somewhere in the west a split is planned ...
    1. +7
      7 July 2012 10: 00
      Quote: vadimus
      if Germany and France are torn to be friends, then somewhere in the west a split is planned ...

      France and Germany are dragging the entire European Union financially and they need money to defend themselves like air. That's where our interests converge! True, the release of military equipment in tandem with a likely enemy for Russia looks a bit strange.
      One can not worry too much about the split, they will rather settle all their problems than make at least one concession to Russia.
      1. Ataturk
        +9
        7 July 2012 10: 34
        Quote: APASUS
        France and Germany drag the entire European Union

        I would not say that France or Germany drag Swedes who are higher in living standards than Germans and French taken together))))))))))))))))))))))) I would not say that they drag Denmark, which is richer than all of them, would not say that they drag the Finns, and so on.

        Maybe they drag on themselves the southern countries of Europe, this is another matter. I would not say that Austria needs the help of France. Or Switzerland. Have you been to France? Do you know what unemployment rate? Soon there will be no white people, only blacks from Africa.
        1. +4
          7 July 2012 11: 36
          Quote: Ataturk
          I would not say that France or Germany drag Swedes on themselves, which are higher in living standards than the Germans and French taken together)))))))))))


          Ataturk, let's not find fault with words, because the European Union is full of problems. And countries with economies in transition. Take at least the former neighbors of the Baltic states. Their total contribution to the economy of the united Europe is estimated at a fraction of a percent, and the standard of living is disproportionate to the contribution. That's the problem here. And not only the Baltic States can be taken, about 5-6 more countries.
          I have not been to France, but I worked in Denmark and I can tell myself how many blacks where
          1. Ataturk
            +3
            7 July 2012 11: 47
            Quote: APASUS
            Take at least the former neighbors of the Baltic states

            I finally can’t think about them. African Kenya and then richer. After they headed west, they are enslaved to Europe. Everything is like touring all over Europe. Where in the fields strawberries are harvested and where is the potato and where is the apartment being renovated. They are a different topic.

            what is the standard of living of the Baltic states?)))))))))))) Dear, I was in almost every capital of Europe. I know where and who and how. The Scandinavians are so rich that Germany and France say that these countries will be dragged, somehow it is not fair. The Danes are some of the best living in the WORLD. You must know this!
            1. von_Richten
              +2
              7 July 2012 12: 08
              The fact that the Scandinavians live better does not tell us anything (the population is smaller, respectively, the GDP / budget (etc.) are divided by a smaller number of mouths).
            2. Gym teacher
              +1
              7 July 2012 15: 51
              Quote: Ataturk
              Everything is like touring all over Europe. Where in the fields strawberries are harvested and where is the potato and where are the apartments being repaired. They are a different topic.


              Estonia, in cooperation with Finland, is building the world's largest icebreakers, ferries and tankers. Do not forget that heavy nuclear icebreakers of the Taimyr class were built in Finland.

              In addition, Finland is the world-famous woodworking industry and Nokia phones ... ahaha who would have thought. So much for strawberries and cranberries (what to do - Finland has some of the highest yields in Europe)

              P.S. Just do not yell that Nokia are going to China. Finland has its own assembly, which is especially appreciated. And all models are not developed in China, namely in Scandinavia
              1. +4
                7 July 2012 20: 17
                Gym teacher, Finnish Nokia is a yes thing !!! wink I had their brick (3310) native unkillable Yes but where does the Baltic states which daeliko to taalliinaaa and ????? laughing
              2. Eugene
                0
                9 July 2012 14: 03
                Only here are our reactors on them. In general, by the way, Finland from the Scandinavian countries is the poorest. Swedes and Norwegians live richer. Although I like Finland ... there, as in my beloved Karelia, only ... without garbage, Alconauts and with good (excellent !!) roads.
      2. Evgen2509
        +1
        7 July 2012 12: 27
        Do you consider France a potential adversary? Only in a nightmare ...
      3. 0
        7 July 2012 20: 13
        APASUS, well, actually the connection between RUSSIA and the Franco-German military-industrial complex has a long tradition - both offhand and 3 inches (based on the French field gun) and the famous 45 heel (Krupp's pac35)
      4. Fidain
        0
        8 July 2012 00: 14
        Franciya eto ne savsem protivnik, vo vremena xolodnoi voini ona vishla iz NATO, Tam Samim Sdelav Sebya Otnasitelno Netralnoi Stranoi. skazat izmenili kalibr i skopirovoli.
    2. +1
      7 July 2012 16: 52
      This "Beast" brings us back to the times of Ivan Brovkin and Maxim Perepelitsa.
    3. Sleptsoff
      +1
      8 July 2012 11: 40
      And that we have lightly armored vehicles in this segment? Maybe remind.
    4. +1
      8 July 2012 13: 25
      This split has long been outlined. It just became more explicit ... In principle, German Chancellor A. Merkel can be safely considered its initiator ... However, this is already politics. As for the armored vehicle itself ...
      Perhaps this Frenchwoman will be more interesting than the Italian. But then again, our defense industry is capable of producing a similar machine on its own ... But on the other hand, cooperation with the French can be of some benefit. Of course, provided that this project was not initially aimed at diverting funds to the left ...
  2. Owl
    +10
    7 July 2012 09: 34
    "Police" car, for the current state of the world governments - the most necessary armored vehicle. World leaders do not want to fight with each other and will not (there will be no winners or economic losses of an unacceptable nature), but "to fight" with a weak enemy, after the destruction of combat-ready army units and the conquest of complete air supremacy is a nice thing (Libya, Syria, possibly Iran ), establishing (maintaining) order in controlled territories (including on the territory of one's own state) are also necessary actions.
  3. Guran96
    +8
    7 July 2012 10: 08
    "Mistral"
    1. +4
      7 July 2012 20: 20
      Guran96, so it’s not the Mistral anymore, but the aircraft carrier turns out !!!!! Yes wink
      1. Eugene
        +2
        9 July 2012 14: 05
        Confused dear! This is a project of a promising aircraft carrier! Secret by the way !!
  4. 911811711
    +2
    7 July 2012 10: 55
    for me it’s not a car
    1. chistii20
      +1
      7 July 2012 11: 26
      Quote: 911811711
      for me it’s not a car

      I agree with you The Tiger is better and the Lynx seems to be nothing And it’s not at all clear that In addition, such machines can be useful in police operations when the soldiers are not threatened by anything more serious than small arms. And how do you know whether they will threaten or not It is necessary that something more universal would be both from bullets and from fragments
      1. Teploteh - nick
        +3
        7 July 2012 12: 00
        Quote: chistii20
        I agree with you Tiger is better

        And I agree with you! Yes good
      2. Fidain
        0
        8 July 2012 00: 22
        druzya a vi ne zabili chto <Ris> eto italianski invenko, A sauditi finansirovoli.Tak v chom broblema ??? Sichas zhe ne voina s Francii ili Germanii, pust rabotayut opotom naberayut, tam ne tupie lyudi sidyat ...
      3. Sleptsoff
        +4
        8 July 2012 11: 47
        "Tiger and lynx are better" - You thought with your brain before writing this. The Frenchman has a completely different class of booking, and the class of the car is completely different, something like our UAZ and then with a stretch, we do not have such cars yet.
        1. Eugene
          0
          9 July 2012 14: 07
          Yah?)
          And what's that:
  5. Brother Sarych
    +5
    7 July 2012 11: 29
    Not sure if you have chosen a good partner! In my opinion, the French armored cars never really shone ...
    1. +2
      7 July 2012 12: 30
      Yes, and tanks too.
    2. Korvin
      +2
      7 July 2012 15: 21
      And what to do, there’s especially no one to choose from. The German and Swedish arms concerns are partially influenced or completely bought up by the Angles and Amers, and they won’t be friends with us, even when trying to put a not very new modification of Leo2 on either side such a stench rises in the parliaments of countries and the media that the deal breaks down with a moment.
      1. +1
        8 July 2012 20: 30
        You can ask the Francists to buy a new BA from the Britons, they have such a cool there yesterday they wrote about it (07.06.12/XNUMX/XNUMX) Foxhound

        only it is in order, but for all they will get BM benefits, and we technologies and cars too.
  6. Svistoplyaskov
    +3
    7 July 2012 11: 40
    Why the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB floating machine?
    1. Korvin
      0
      7 July 2012 15: 26
      There, they initially talked about the supply of cars to foreign parts, just an absolutely journalistic article.
    2. +2
      7 July 2012 16: 49
      Fishing, hunting, etc. We are all humans...
  7. von_Richten
    +1
    7 July 2012 11: 56
    His goodness in bulk. A little more and (as in tsarist times) we will purchase ALL (weapons, armored vehicles, etc.) of foreign production (we will only collect from ourselves if we are lucky).
    1. Passing
      +3
      7 July 2012 13: 09
      I am also struck by the current MO policy. There is a real domestic Scorpion-LSHA made just in this class, and its development budget didn’t cost a dime! But its prospects are foggy, the bureaucrats of Moscow oblast do not react to the fact of its existence! But virtual French is being intensively promoted, they provide budget financing in advance, and purchases are guaranteed in advance. This is just some kind of surreal nonsense! It seems that foreign agents of influence, who have become sober from impunity, have settled in the Moscow Region!
  8. +3
    7 July 2012 13: 57
    For example, the start of Lynx production in Voronezh ensured the creation of dozens of jobs.
    There is such a law: If something has arrived, it means that somewhere has left. Or it is easier to create several dozen "high-tech" jobs in Voronezh: a locksmith for fastening a spare wheel and a hood, and at other enterprises, due to the refusal of the Ministry of Defense from production, several hundred people, including an engineer, left. What kind of exchange is inadequate, don't you think so?
  9. Karmin
    +2
    7 July 2012 14: 48
    Most likely exported to third countries

    VBL can in no way be a replacement for the BTR, at least because of its size
  10. Korvin
    +8
    7 July 2012 15: 35
    The article is completely low. What does the ancient VBL have to do with it? Firstly, it already has a heavier version of VBM and does not need to be developed. Secondly, it was about developing the French armored personnel carrier with our tower or module, IMHO the French refuse to sell our VBCI (which the fool will sell what he’ve just put into service) and they are trying to enter us Vekstra with our Bahchi, for example, since Vekstra was originally intended for export to the Middle East and does not contain any know-how in terms of internal electronics architecture
    1. +1
      8 July 2012 20: 21
      Well, where does he steer this
      such a moment of overturning that it’s scary to look, the ground will sag, the rear axles will drive and hello Lucy!
      1. Korvin
        0
        14 July 2012 19: 02
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE-F8rvVFH0 Ну дык ближневосточные механы такие механы))
  11. griha988
    +3
    7 July 2012 15: 42
    95 FORCES - THIS IS POWER !!!!!!!! our TIGER-M with four hundred YaMZovsky nervously smokes aside :) sincerely do not understand tries .. do we need this clunker?
    1. +3
      7 July 2012 17: 28
      A tiger weighs more than twice as much. A specific power VBL
      26,76 hp / t seems economical and mean to the French is quite sufficient (God forbid taxpayers learn fuel consumption).
      In general, the Panhard VBL is an armored reconnaissance and patrol vehicle, and floating! That is, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB apparently had some new tasks! request
  12. CHICHIMAH
    -1
    7 July 2012 17: 19
    I liked the machine called Cobra very
  13. Lakkuchu
    +6
    7 July 2012 17: 33
    This type of machine or similar, it is high time to provide employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs in North The Caucasus. For example, in Dagestan, policemen are killed almost every day, and there is no protection, they drive worn-out UAZs. Where are "Tigers", "Lynxes" and others ?! But officials ride armored jeeps, and even with heavily armed guards.
  14. +8
    7 July 2012 17: 58
    Well, what's not clear, guys. Don't you remember in which of the European countries you can cut something? Ours and choose the country where you can get a kickback and us .... to them on performance characteristics and so on. The main interest is how much and closer to Swiss banks. And the fact that the top is no longer hiding surrenders Russia, because the elections are only in 6 years and whether they will be in the 18th is a big question. So they are tearing whoever has time to where. And you are here about some kind of revival of Russia. EH .....! And the fact that protection against small arms is just for the suppression of popular riots. What will you do with Saiga or Vepr? The very thing. Citizens, get grenade launchers by any means! You will need them soon. Sincerely.
    1. phantom359
      +1
      8 July 2012 12: 41
      suharev-52,
      is everything so gloomy? And what about the Magnitsky list? Do they really not understand that a Swiss bank is a fiction? Freeze deposits, declare criminals and thieves and all - crying money. Americans will not miss such grandmothers as a good gopnik.
  15. Popandopulo
    +1
    8 July 2012 02: 39
    Totally agree with you ! Putin's gang merges Russia! The money of the Russian people goes to support the European military-industrial complex, and at the same time the European economy! The Putin gang saves Europe from the crisis by concluding billions of dollars in contracts by purchasing NATO equipment for policemen!
  16. +1
    8 July 2012 09: 19
    The Tiger and the Lynx are a different class, this is somewhat reminiscent of an armored, well-armed buggy ... It’s a pity of course that we couldn’t or didn’t want to do something like that ourselves, but this is an area in which it’s not possible, but also necessary to cooperate, there are more pluses than minuses, including political ones .... In any case, the car will be made by us. We can eventually upgrade it as you wish, and in the near future make something completely new on its basis ... Panhard VBL is good machine, export to 17 countries speaks for itself. Success to a joint project.
  17. phantom359
    +1
    8 July 2012 11: 47
    Well, what for a goat button accordion? Found with whom to negotiate - with the French. The most that there are leaders in the design of armored vehicles.))) Inhale frank junk for good money. Unreasonable.
  18. quickfire18
    0
    8 July 2012 12: 03
    suharev-52,
    absolutely definitely said +++
  19. +1
    8 July 2012 20: 04
    For the Airborne Forces just right. Floats, landing.
  20. 0
    8 July 2012 20: 16
    Yes, purchases are necessary, but not in large quantities, with a maximum of 100 cars.
    new technologies, design solutions, identifying vulnerabilities and more.
    hmm in the first picture, Maine almost got out of the car to shoot from a machine gun, but it’s good, it can be cut from the Kalash. am
  21. amph1cyon
    0
    8 July 2012 20: 43
    In France, the president is from the socialist party, so perhaps there will be more common interests
  22. Karmin
    0
    8 July 2012 22: 23
    Yes, there will be no Russian-French BM in service with the Russian army, it is for the Papuans. It will not be armed with either Frechia, nor Patria, nor Centauro, and there will be a Boomerang, the situation with the Trot will not happen again, we’ve passed!
  23. User777
    0
    8 July 2012 23: 01
    In my opinion, Russia does not need French armored cars. Ours will definitely be able to create a good armored car! Nobody will sell us anything good. Moreover, advanced technologies. And nothing good can be said about the "masterpiece of the great Italian designers" Iveco.
  24. DUTCH
    +2
    9 July 2012 14: 22
    We must cooperate with the Germans, with the Germans !!!
    1. +1
      22 July 2012 14: 00
      Germany is a member of NATO (for now). The French from NATO de facto left. Do the Germans have enough determination? Everyone will check the Syrian version. We look forward to November.

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