The weapon of the Second World War. Guns of high flying and understanding

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Which gun do you think was the most successful?

1. 40 mm Vickers Class S gun. UK - 14 (10.85%)
10.85%
2. 45-mm gun NS-45. USSR - 60 (46.51%)
46.51%
3. 57-mm air gun No-401. Japan - 2 (1.55%)
1.55%
4. 57 mm Molins Class-M. United Kingdom - 9 (6.98%)
6.98%
5. 75 mm M4 aircraft gun. USA - 26 (20.16%)
20.16%
6. 75-mm aircraft gun VK-7.5. Germany - 18 (13.95%)
13.95%
So we came to the finals. TO aviation guns that can cause, if not respect, then amazement with the mere fact of their existence. Meanwhile, they fought with varying degrees of success.

In general, an arms race in the air is a very peculiar matter. And here progress has gone a long way, because literally at the end of the 30's, two rifle machine guns were considered normal weapons. And literally in 6-7 years, four 20-mm guns did not surprise anyone. Killed - yes, but not surprised. This has become the norm.



But I still consider the epic of development those monsters whom brilliant engineers nevertheless managed to stuff into airplanes. Or was it already the plane was going around the gun? It’s hard to say, because - to take off!

Long thought how to sort their heroines. And he decided, without further ado, to arrange them in increasing caliber.

40 mm Vickers Class S gun. UK
The weapon of the Second World War. Guns of high flying and understanding


It should be noted that it was the British who pioneered the installation of large-caliber (by aviation standards) guns in aircraft. It is difficult to say who they were going to shoot such shells in the 1936 year, but it was then that the Vickers and Rolls-Royce were given the task of developing an 40-mm gun for installation on an aircraft.

The Vickers gun won the competition, and it began to be mass-produced and installed on airplanes.



The most interesting thing is that the gun was first installed on bombers. Wellington and B-17. And these aircraft worked on enemy submarines, and quite successfully. The 40 mm projectile performed quite well.



In 1940, when the Wehrmacht showed what it might be capable of tank the troops, when properly managed, in the military department realized that a 40-mm armor-piercing projectile is something that can be opposed to tanks. In principle, it is logical that the armor of the “panzer” I and II was quite capable of it.

Engineers from the Hawker Aircraft were able to make changes to the design of the Hurricane fighter, allowing the S cannon to be placed under each wing.



For this, an entire installation was designed to accommodate a gun and a magazine that stubbornly did not fit in the thick wing of the Hurricane. But designer P. Higgson coped.

In general, everyone believed that the Mustang would be much better than the Hurricane, but the wing of the P-51 required more global improvements.



During the tests, there were some incidents. The test pilot was not prepared for the fact that when fired from both guns, the plane would actually stop and fall at a peak. To solve this problem, a recommendation was made to the pilots during the opening of fire to choose the aircraft control stick for themselves.

S cannons were aimed through a conventional Mk.II reflex sight, but in addition, the aircraft had two Browning 0.5 sighting machine guns loaded with tracer bullets.

The first unit to receive the Hurricane Mk.IID with 40-mm guns was the sixth squadron, based at the Shandar Egyptian air base. The baptism of fire of the Hurricanes Mk.IID took place on June 7, resulting in the destruction of two tanks and several trucks. In total, during the operations in Africa, the pilots of the 6 squadron fire 40-mm guns disabled the 144 tank, of which 47 were completely destroyed, as well as more than 200 light armored vehicles.

It is clear that these were light tanks with bulletproof armor.

But it was paid, and, cruelly. The suspension of such guns reduced the already not-so-huge speed of the Hurricane at 60-70 km / h. It turned out that the Hurricanes quite calmly beat the Germans' equipment, and the German Bf-109F quietly shot down the Hurricanes.

With the adoption of the Hurricane Mk.IID missiles, they began to withdraw units from service. A number of aircraft were transferred to the Far East to Burma, where the 20 squadron was very efficiently used.

The Vickers S cannon was actually used on a large scale only in battles in North Africa and Asia, where lightly armored targets were enough for its shells. Gradually, it was abandoned in favor of rockets, but statistics showed that during combat operations in the Asia-Pacific Region the average accuracy was 25% (for comparison, the accuracy of a volley of 60 unguided missiles when attacking a tank type target was 5%). Accuracy when firing high-explosive shells was twice as high as when firing armor-piercing. This was due to the fact that high-explosive fragmentation shells had a more similar ballistics used for shooting machine guns Browning 0.5.

Advantages: a large projectile weight, a large damaging effect, high accuracy in a single shot, the guns were put in a pair, that is, one shot - two shells.

Disadvantages: huge returns during long firing, low initial speed, low rate of fire, ammunition is small (15 rounds per barrel).


45-mm gun NS-45. the USSR




To begin with, we recall two good designers, without which there might not have been much of anything in our aircraft guns.

Yakov Grigorievich Taubin and Mikhail Nikitich Baburin, baldly blamed by the denunciations of colleagues and shot. But the potential that they laid down in their projects developed at OKB-16 subsequently allowed the creation of a whole family of large-caliber air guns, which were in service with Soviet aviation in the next 30 years.


Yakov Grigorievich Taubin



Mikhail Nikitich Baburin


In the previous article about large-caliber air guns, we noted the very successful design of the NS-37 gun, which was a refinement of the PTB-37 gun Taubin and Baburin. The gun was developed by A.E. Nudelman and A.S. Suranov, and they gave the name to the cannon.

A relatively light and quick-firing gun for its class, with excellent ballistics, it was capable of destroying any enemy aircraft with a couple of hits and confidently fighting armored vehicles, at least from an early period.

However, the development of armored vehicles at the 1943 level of the year made the gun ineffective. In connection with this state of affairs, in early July of the 1943, a GKO resolution was issued on the development of an 45 mm caliber air gun.

Today, of course, it is very simple to evaluate everything that happened several decades ago. And very comfortable. What is easy and understandable today, during the war was given later with blood. Today it’s very easy for me to write such a decision into a controversial one. And then, and in the wake of the success of the Il-Xnumx with the cannons of the Shtitalnaya Sh-Xnumx of the caliber 2-mm and the cannons of the Nudelman and Suranov of the same caliber ... Apparently, they simply did not have time to really evaluate all the consequences of installing these guns. Not before that, and today it is understandable and justifiable.

Meanwhile, no one canceled physics even during the war, and if today it is clear that the higher the cartridge’s energy, which consists of the mass of ammunition and its initial velocity, the higher the return weaponsacting on the design of the carrier glider. But then you needed a weapon that could hit the enemy.

And Nudelman and Suranov could. They were able to process their NS-37 under the cartridge 45x186. The prototype of the 45-mm gun 111-П-45 appeared less than a month after the task for its development. It is clear that the lion's share of the cannon assemblies was saved from the NS-37, which, however, cannot be said about the results.

Initially, only the barrel with the chamber and the receiver with newly designed tape links were processed. However, the first tests showed that the recoil force of the gun ranged from 7 to 7,5 tons. There were doubts that an aircraft capable of withstanding such an impulse would be available. Quickly made a muzzle brake.

The version with a muzzle brake was designated NS-45M, but since it was she who went into the series, the letter "M" in the designation was usually omitted.

As in the case of the 37-mm NS-37 gun, the main carriers of the 45-mm guns were the Il-2 attack aircraft and the Yak-9 fighter.



With IL-2 did not work out at all. Although the idea was quite, the guns were installed in the root of the wing, more precisely, under it, together with a fair amount of ammunition in 50 cartridges. And then there was an imposition of oscillations of the wing and trunks when firing.



Targeted shooting at ground targets was not possible due to the strong vibration of both the gun itself and the wing. A similar situation, although to a lesser extent, developed with the 37-mm version of Il, which had been discontinued by that time, so the work of equipping the 45-mm attack aircraft with guns lost all meaning. A few shots and in return an airplane with flying wings is doubtful.

With the Yak-9 miracles began immediately. The inner diameter of the motor shaft M-105PF, through which the gun barrel passed, was 55 mm. And the diameter of the barrel NS-45 was ... 59 millimeters!

And so that you can skip the gun barrel inside the shaft, its thickness was reduced from 7 millimeters to 4's.

By the way, this even reduced the weight of the gun. HC-45 weighed 152 kg, and HC-37 weighed 171 kg. It is clear that you have to pay for everything. Naturally, the resource of the barrel itself fell, plus the long, but light barrel began to “play” when firing, which affected accuracy.

To reduce this harmful business, a special device with a ball bearing was installed on the screw sleeve, centering the gun shaft relative to the axis of the hollow shaft of the gearbox.

In general, it turned out. And the Yak-9K went into the series (albeit a small one), but failed to repeat the success of the Yak-9T with the NS-37 cannon.

When firing from the NS-45 cannon, the recoil affected the aircraft much more than with the 37-mm caliber. The greater the flight speed and dive angle, the less impact the aircraft had on the recoil. When firing at speeds less than 350 km / h, the aircraft turned sharply, while the pilot made abrupt back and forth movements in his seat.

Targeted shooting was possible and effective at speeds greater than 350 km / h, and in short bursts of 2-3 shots. The high recoil force of the NS-45 gun had a significant impact on the design of the aircraft, leading to the leakage of oil and water through various seals and cracks in pipelines and radiators.

Nevertheless, the tests, in general, were found to be satisfactory, and during the period from April to July of the 1944, a military series of 53 Yak-9K was built.



Troop tests were 44 Yak-9K. 340 combat sorties took place with a total raid of 402 h 03 mines, an 51 air battle took place. The opponents were FW-190A-8, Me-109G-2 and G-6. 12 enemy fighters were shot down (there were no meetings with bombers), including 8 FW-190A-8 and 4 Me-109G-2; their losses - one Yak-9K.

The average consumption of ammunition of caliber 45 mm per one shot down enemy aircraft amounted to 10 shells.

Nevertheless, the war was coming to an end, and the military tests of four dozen Yak-9K, it was decided to limit. He did not go into the series. This ended the military service of the NS-45, most of the cannons (194 pieces) that remained unclaimed.

Advantages: good ballistics, destructive shell, light weight, decent ammunition.

Disadvantages: recoil, low barrel life, difficulties with installation and maintenance.

57-mm air gun No-401. Japan




The ancestor of this monster was also an 37-mm gun. But-203 was such a successful design that, on orders from above, Dr. Kawamura decided to pump his brainchild with steroids to the caliber of 57 millimeters.

This happened in the 1943 year, when it turned out to develop a system under the low-power cartridge 57x121R for the 57-mm tank gun Type 97. The automation scheme of the new 57-mm air gun completely repeated the earlier No-203 caliber 37 mm.

Even outwardly the guns were very similar, the difference was in the presence of the No-401 muzzle brake.

The power of the No-401 gun was carried out from a closed drum-type magazine, similar to that used on the 37-mm No-203. The magazine capacity was 17 rounds.

Unfortunately, in spite of the good weight and size parameters for such a caliber (the weight is only 150 kg), But-401 inherited from its predecessor all the negative characteristics, of which there were a lot.

A short barrel and a small charge of the cartridge gave a parabolic trajectory and a low initial velocity of the projectile. And the rate of fire at 80 rounds per minute was, let's say, very low. Plus the return was great and shot down the scope.

So all these minuses predetermined the use of the gun exclusively for assault operations, when in one approach it was possible to make only one aimed shot.

The exact number of No-401 guns made is unknown, the approximate quantity is determined in the region of 500 pieces.

The only aircraft that was designed for this system was the Kawasaki Ki-102 Otsu heavy twin-engine attack aircraft, in which the No-401 was compactly located in the bow, only slightly protruding beyond the dimensions of the aircraft.



In 1944-45, these machines were built in 215 units, but they were hardly used in battles. They were cared for to counteract the expected landing of the allies on the Japanese islands. Later, part of these attack aircraft was re-equipped with the new 37-mm No-204 guns, turning them into heavy interceptors.

Pluses: light weight, good ammunition

Disadvantages: low rate of fire, disgusting ballistics, weak cartridge for such a heavy projectile.


Molins 6-pounder Class-M. Great Britain




At the beginning of the 1943 year, the Air Force Command began discussing the replacement of the Vickers S 40 mm anti-tank guns mounted on Hurricane IID aircraft. The armor grew thicker, the shells of the 40-mm guns became less and less dangerous for it.

For the sake of replacement, it was designed by a group of specialists led by G.F. Wallace is truly a monstrous gun Molins.

In tests, the gun showed itself on a very good side, and the only thing that could interfere with its use on airplanes was possible problems with the automatic feeding and loading from overloads (from 3,5 g) arising from maneuvering.

On the other hand, who will shoot from such a gun, maneuvering so actively?

It is clear that there was no talk of any re-equipment of the Hurricanes, since the gun weighed almost a ton. Plus the return was "just" 4,5 tons. Although, in principle, for such an instrument there are not so many.

Therefore, they decided to stuff this gun into the Mosquito, fortunately, his nose was still empty. Or almost empty.

It is worth recalling that the "Mosquito" was a wooden plane, it was based on balsa. Lightweight and durable. But 4,5 tons of returns - this is 4,5 tons of returns.

Static tests were carried out and the balsa withstood. So there were anti-submarine "Mosquito" with 57-mm gun in the nose of the fuselage.



Molins were placed at a slight downward angle and 100 mm to the right of the longitudinal axis, while the gun barrel protruded from the fuselage by 610 mm. The return spring was under the barrel.

And even did not have to throw machine guns. There were different options, with four, two 0.303 Browning machine guns with double ammunition. A machine gun is generally a useful thing, you can throw tracers for shooting, you can explain to anti-aircraft gunners that we would have to scatter through the cracks ...

It was interesting to implement a system for collecting cartridges that were not thrown out, as they could actually damage the tail of the aircraft. Sleeves remained inside the aircraft, in the trap.


Onboard warehouse with shells

For aiming, the Mk.IIIa reflex sight was installed.

The Molins gun was officially named the Airborne 6-pounder Class M, and the Mosquito, armed with this colossus, became known as the Tse-Tse.

A mixed anti-submarine 248 squadron was formed, armed with the Bofayters and Mosquito-Tse-Tse.

The first combat mission Mk.XVIII took place on October 24 1943 year. Mosquitoes were looking for enemy submarines, and on November 7 of the same year the first combat clash took place. A pair of "Mosquito" discovered a submarine in a surface position. Having received several hits in the wheelhouse, the boat plunged, surrounded by black smoke.

But for the first time pilots were able to reliably drown a German submarine on 25 on March 1944 of the year, off the coast of France.

Advantages: you just had to hit the target. The shell took over the rest.

Disadvantages: gun weight, only armor-piercing shells were included, low rate of fire.

75 mm M4 aircraft gun. USA




Well, really, but what was the little thing? There probably would have been an opportunity, the Americans would have inserted an 152-mm howitzer into the plane. Well, so they had everything - the most, and not a cent less.

In general, the Americans in this regard were well done. Yielding to the temptation to hit everything that can be reached from the aircraft, including ships, they brought this idea not just to the series, but fired B-25 armed with 75-mm guns in a very decent amount.

It all started quite long before the war, in 1937. Probably from the British, they got infected overseas. The terms of reference for the development of a cannon aircraft included armament with a caliber of not more than 75 mm, with moderate rate of fire and unitary cartridges.

As the aviation version of the 75-mm gun, the M2 serial guns with a barrel length of 28,47 caliber and M3 with a barrel length of 37,5 calibers were chosen. Both guns were the development of the old French field gun Matériel de 75mm Mle 1897, which was in service with the US Army.

They wanted to equip the M2 short-barrel with an escort fighter, and put the M3 long-barrel on a bomber. After reflection, they left only M3.

It is characteristic that the Americans, having analyzed the tactics of using large-caliber aviation systems, came to the conclusion that the high recoil of the guns still would not allow to aim more than one shot. Accordingly, do not complicate the design of the gun with automatic reloading.

And from the 1943 of the year, B-25 armed with M4 or M5 guns began to appear in theaters of operations. The difference, in general, was in the machine.



In general, it turned out really flying SPG. M4 was mounted on a carriage under the seat of the second pilot, taking also part of the bomb bay. Almost a three-meter trunk had to be put somewhere.

The crew of the aircraft consisted of two pilots, a shooter, a radio operator and a navigator, who was appointed loader. In addition to the M4 gun, two fixed machine guns of 12,7-mm caliber with ammunition for 400 rounds per barrel were installed in the nose of the fuselage. The gun and the front machine guns were aimed at the target by the pilot. The aircraft was equipped with the N-3B optical sight and the A-1 bombing artillery sight. In addition, for sighting it was possible to use the course machine guns. When the target was under machine gun fire, the cannon was launched.

On average, they managed to fire a cannon three times in a single combat approach. A theoretically well-trained crew could provide the M4 guns rate of fire up to 30 rounds per minute, however, as a rule, in practice the rate of fire did not exceed 3 - 4 rounds / min.

The B-25G and B-25H cannon attack aircraft armed with the 75-mm M4 and M5 guns proved to be very useful in the Pacific for attacking small transport ships and Japanese submarines, in the hunt for tanks and anti-aircraft batteries. In Burma, when attacking the oil fields of Laniva, one of the Mitchell attack aircraft, firing only 4 shells, launched a firestorm at the oil storage.

Cannon Mitchells were also used in the Mediterranean in the hunt for shipping.

It happened that the stormtroopers had more serious goals: on 8 on June 1944 of the year, 30 miles from the city of Manokwari, New Guinea, a group of two B-25N from the 345th bombing group of the USA with the fire of 75-mm guns launched even the Japanese destroyer "Kharusami" displacement of 1700 tons. For the destruction of the ship and the death of 74 crew members, it was necessary to successfully hit only five 75-mm shells.



But in Europe, cannon attack aircraft did not take root. Affected by a better counteraction to the Luftwaffe and air defense. For them, the B-25 was just a target, as its speed dropped to 110 km / h and a slow attack aircraft (maximum speed dropped to 450 km / h) became an easy target.

However, only B-25H were released about 1000 pieces.

Advantages: any target in the teeth, a powerful projectile with good ballistics.

Disadvantages: slow rate of fire due to manual reloading.

75-mm aircraft gun VK-7.5. Germany




Well, the quintessence of destruction. The German monster created by the gloomy geniuses of the Rheinmetall-Borzig immediately after the VK.5 (50-mm anti-tank gun adapted for the aircraft).


Yes, this is the progenitor of VK 7.5.


If the main idea of ​​the development of the 50-mm gun was the desire to defeat enemy bombers beyond the range of their defensive weapons, then the 75-mm gun was considered as a weapon for assault operations.

The Americans, too, were not small in terms of caliber. Why should the Germans be behind?

I would blame the Germans for some excess and gigantomania. But I can not help but admire their design ideas. Because it is necessary to be able to automate the usual land anti-tank gun PaK-40. And the Germans managed.



In ordinary life, it was a semi-automatic gun with a horizontal wedge bolt, and here they also added new products. The gun used very powerful 75 × 714R unitary cartridges, effective against any modern anti-Hitler coalition allied tanks.

In general, it was possible not to be driven like that, and to use the shortened KwK 40 tank guns, which used less powerful 75x495R cartridges, more suitable for arming the aircraft, as an initial sample.

But no, if to do so, so that Valhall would be welcomed with open arms. And in 1942, VK 7.5 appeared, it is also PaK 40L, that is, for the Luftwaffe. The name was later changed to BK 7.5, where the word “Bordkanonen”, an aircraft gun, was hidden behind the letters “BK”.

And from the tank gun, the electric ignition of the C / 22 or C / 22 St electro-fuse sleeve was borrowed, which was installed in the standard cartridge instead of the capsule.

The pneumatic automatic loader, in general, repeated the VK 50 structurally used on the 5-mm cannon, using the pneumatic cylinder that sent the cartridge to the gun chamber. However, the ammunition pattern was significantly different and varied depending on the medium on which the gun was installed.

One of the first projects on which the gun was planned to be installed was the Junkers Ju-88 bomber.



When the tests passed, and everyone understood that the 88 was a strong machine and would not fall apart from the shooting of this monster, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. And they launched the gun into the series.



The electro-pneumatic charging system was just modified, the gun received a clip for 10 cartridges. True, usually only 8 cartridges were loaded in it, plus one in the breech of the gun. In flight, in the holder it was possible to load more cartridges than the shooter of the lower rear machine gun turret was engaged in.

In addition to the cartridges in the holder, the ammunition of the aircraft also included 7 cartridges.

The automatic charging mechanism made it possible to achieve a technical rate of fire of around 30 rounds / min., Although in reality, no more than two shots could be fired in one go.

The military tests of several produced serial Ju.88P-1 took place in the autumn of 1943 of the year on the central section of the Eastern Front in the division of Versuchskommando fur Panzerbekamfung.

As the first battles showed, the rate of fire of the VK 7,5 gun was so low that in one attack the pilot managed to fire no more than two shots, although usually even one direct hit was enough to set fire to any tank.

Since information on the combat use of Ju 88P-1 is practically absent, we can conclude that their successes were very modest.

Subsequently, they refused to use the VK 7.5 guns on the Junkers assault, preferring to replace them with less powerful, but more rapid-fire VK 3.7 and VK 5 on subsequent submodifications “P”.

Thus, on the VK 7.5 cannon at the beginning of the 1944 of the year one could put a bold cross, recalling it only in the context of one of the examples of the “miracle weapon” of the 3 Reich, but they remembered it at the very end of the war, using offensive as the main armament attack aircraft Henschel HS 129.



It was necessary to do something with the Soviet tanks, especially with the ISs. Yes, hitting the 75-mm shell from above was guaranteed to disable any of our tanks, but ... 700 kg units turned the Henschel, albeit devoid of 20-mm guns for the sake of relief, into something that hardly hobbled at a speed of 250 km / h and miraculously kept direction of flight after each shot.

129 was not a model of controllability and fluttering like a butterfly in the best of times, and after installing VC 7.5 everything became completely sad.

Nevertheless, VC 7.5 decided to give a second chance and launch a new attack aircraft in mass production. Anti-tank attack aircraft received the index Hs.129B-3 / Wa and the unofficial nickname "can opener" (Buchsenoffner).



During July-October 1944, the Germans managed to produce approximately 25 aircraft of this type, which were sent to the Eastern Front. They say they took part in the battles for the Zeelovsky heights and even knocked something out there. It seems like 9 of our tanks.

I can’t judge how true this is. If it’s clean, I’m sure that the tanks, if anyone knocked out, were ground artillerymen. And the Henshels, if they flew out, with such speed and controllability, most likely, were simply shot down.

Do not forget the spring of 1945. And the total advantage of our aircraft. So - most likely, a fairy tale from the losers.

However, this does not detract from what the guys from Rheinmetall-Borzig created. It was a good job, anyway. Especially when you consider that the VK 7.5 could shoot the entire range of ammunition from the PaK 40 anti-tank gun. All that was needed was to replace the impact capsule with the C / 22 or C / 22 St.

Advantages: the incredible power of the shell, good ballistics, excellent armor penetration.

Disadvantages: rate of fire.




Yes, a simple glance to evaluate the use and success of large-caliber air guns is not easy. As practice has shown, a large caliber on planes did not take root (except for gunships in the USA) and gave way to medium-caliber guns, with a less powerful shell, but a higher rate of fire. Well, missile weapons played an important role. But these guns made their (albeit not very large) contribution to history artillery.
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  1. +3
    22 August 2019 02: 30
    Anti-tank ground gun on the plane ... Well, what can I say, gloomy German genius.
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 06: 45
      Thanks, interesting. I didn’t know much.
      Quote: certero
      Anti-tank ground gun in an airplane ...

      Interestingly, was there an idea to put anti-aircraft 88mm on Ju-88? smile
      1. +9
        22 August 2019 06: 48
        Quote: igordok
        Interestingly, was there an idea to put anti-aircraft 88mm on Ju-88?

        The power of this gun was such that with the first shots, the Junkers would self-destruct.
        It is clear that these were light tanks with bulletproof armor.
        Are there any specific statistics? I'm afraid that the author is mistaken. The armor of the roof of the tower and hull of the tanks of that time was not very thick and the power of such a projectile was enough to penetrate it at an optimal angle
        1. 0
          22 August 2019 07: 58
          I also thought about it when I read.
          From above, the armor of the tanks was much smaller than from the sides
        2. +2
          22 August 2019 08: 36
          +++
          I think the author has no statistics. What I read on the network, I wrote. A ruble for a hundred that we will not see archival documents.
          1. 0
            22 August 2019 08: 39
            Quote: Dooplet11
            A ruble for a hundred that we will not see archival documents.

            But it’s a pity that we, that the Allies had special commissions that inspected equipment damage, on the battlefield, and drafted reports
            1. +1
              22 August 2019 21: 58
              It is also known that by the end of the war, the thickness of the roof of tanks everywhere began to increase. Apparently still annoyed from above. And obviously not pigeons. :)
              1. 0
                22 August 2019 22: 19
                Quote: Saxahorse
                It is also known that by the end of the war, the thickness of the roof of tanks everywhere began to increase.

                Well, let's see what unfoundedly something to say ...
                This is T-34 thickness from 15 to 20 mm

                IS-2 from 20 to 30 mm

                M4 Sherman - 19 mm

                M26 Pershing - 22 ... 25 mm

                "Panther" - 30 mm

                "Tiger" -28 mm

                "Churchill" - 16 ... 22 mm
                1. 0
                  22 August 2019 22: 43
                  Quote: svp67
                  Well, let's see what unfoundedly something to say ..

                  Well let's see once you insist.

                  So the thickness of the roof:
                  Pz.KpfW.IV Ausf.F1 - 10-12 mm
                  Pz.KpfW.IV Ausf.H - 12-15 mm
                  Pz.KpfW.IV Ausf.J - 16 mm.
                  Panther, as you noticed, the roof is already 17-30 mm.
                  PzKpfw VI “Tiger” - 28 mm tower roof (40 mm since February 1944)

                  It seems to me that progress from 12 mm to 40 mm is quite noticeable.
                  1. +2
                    23 August 2019 06: 27
                    Quote: Saxahorse
                    It seems to me that progress from 12 mm to 40 mm is quite noticeable.

                    There is, of course, but less than progress in increasing the frontal armor of the German "panzers" and, most importantly, that the armor penetration of aircraft cannon shells was sufficient to penetrate these armored barriers at low meeting angles.
                    1. 0
                      24 August 2019 20: 25
                      Quote: svp67
                      at small meeting angles.

                      The question is in the corners. It is difficult for an airplane to shoot with angles of about 90 degrees. The roofs of German tanks at the end of the war were trying to protect not from shells but from bombs and missiles.

                      I somehow came across a description of the reasons for the loss of Panther tanks in 1944 on the Western Front. Most of them are exactly like ours, stuck in a swamp or destroyed by the crew due to lack of fuel. But in second place were losses precisely from an attack from the air. Missiles and small bombs. Everything else, such as bazookas or tanks, is only the third or fourth place. The funny thing is that in the last place there were losses from American tank destroyers. The concept of the Americans implying the use of special equipment to destroy tanks in fact completely failed.
    2. +2
      22 August 2019 08: 28
      Quote: certero
      Anti-tank ground gun on the plane ... Well, what can I say, gloomy German genius.

      So after all, with a creep, but it worked .. It was just that the carrier and targets were not chosen correctly ... Imagine a "condor" against the northern convoys ....
      And the funny thing is that in every article by the author where there is a survey, the products of Soviet designers wins in it, and no matter how "high-quality" viable the product was))
      1. +1
        22 August 2019 08: 38
        Winning such a poll is "about nothing."
      2. +1
        22 August 2019 16: 12
        So after all, with a creep, but it worked .. It was just that the carrier and targets were not chosen correctly ... Imagine a "condor" against the northern convoys ....

        So what? Well, let’s say, hit a 7-thousandth with a couple of shells. I repeat, so what?
        1. 0
          23 August 2019 06: 18
          For example, I got into an OFS tanker and a convoy without fuel ... Yes, and transport often went with gunpowder and explosives (mostly we did not have our gunpowder), cloths or shells (for the same "Shermans" and "Churchill" with "motilda") and a bunch of other fuel ... Even in the article, there is an example of how the Americans burned a combat (!) ship with a similar gunship, and not transport workers with LL could burn even more than, besides, there is no armor of incompetent distribution of fuel cargo. ..
  2. +2
    22 August 2019 05: 25
    It’s not possible to harness one cart
    Horse and quivering doe.
    I inadvertently forgot:
    Now I pay a madness tribute ..
  3. +3
    22 August 2019 07: 00
    Yakov Grigorievich Taubin and Mikhail Nikitich Baburin, baldly blamed by the denunciations of colleagues and shot.

    In fairness, it is worth mentioning that the jambs in Taubin's activities were above the roof.
    The main carriers of the 45-mm guns were the Il-2 attack aircraft and the Yak-9 fighter.

    It is strange that they did not try the installation in the Pe-2 or A-20.
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 08: 17
      Quote: doktorkurgan
      the jambs in Taubin's activity were above the roof.

      but not to the extent that under the execution let down, he is also an experience of negative experience. Judging by the information from the article, the experience was even valuable.
      1. +9
        22 August 2019 10: 47
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        but not to the extent that under the execution let down, he is also an experience of negative experience.

        Negative experience is good in theoretical design and at the stage of prototypes and developmental design.
        And when the gun was transferred to mass production, the designer assured that all the shortcomings identified during the series and tests would be absolutely corrected, airplanes were already being built under the gun ... and it turns out that instead of finishing the gun, the designer was busy with new projects, the gun how it didn’t work and doesn’t work, and there’s nothing to arm new planes - this situation is called a deliberate disruption of the rearmament of the Air Force to a new materiel. And for those times - this is a clean 58th article.
        1. +3
          22 August 2019 10: 53
          I agree with your arguments, I read about it, but this is the opinion of the "writer"
          Quote: Alexey RA
          this situation is called a deliberate disruption of the rearmament of the Air Force to a new materiel.

          someone proved consciousness?
          Quote: Alexey RA
          at that time - this is a clean 58th article.

          but on non-current? lol I mean that, for example, Tu-22 (without M), the pilots called "defect carrier", they refused to fly on it, and what this plane meant for that time is not for me to tell you, but nobody applied Article 58 to anyone and even the 293rd was not used. hi
          1. +5
            22 August 2019 13: 23
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            someone proved consciousness?

            That is, Taubin was engaged in new developments instead of fine-tuning the serial gun unconsciously? Not realizing that he has a deadline in which to turn in the finished product for the series, and there are subcontractors who are waiting for this product?
            The Taubin’s product has already issued the Decree of the Defense Committee and the Decree of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR and the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, which determine the manufacturing plants and the order volume - 7550 guns for 1941. Under the gun, new aircraft are being produced. But there is no gun (more precisely, there is, but it does not work)! And the designer, instead of fine-tuning it (which he undertook to do), is engaged in other projects.
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            but on non-current?

            And by the way it’s efficient housekeeping... "Zvezda" with its missing diesel engines and Kolomna with its seven-year development of the diesel engine on the ship already delivered to the fleet are examples of this.
            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            I mean that, for example, Tu-22 (without M), the pilots called "defect carrier", they refused to fly on it, and what this plane meant for that time is not for me to tell you

            Tu-22, at least on tests, could fulfill the program - take off, launch and land. And the serial MP-6 gave an average of one delay for 15 shots, that is, the program "release the entire ammo" could not be performed in any way.
            1. +2
              22 August 2019 13: 29
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Tu-22 at least in the tests could execute the program - take off, launch

              but in the troops it could take off, but with the launch of the problem, because not always flew ..
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Defense Committee Decision Already Issued on Taubin's Product

              respected, Alexey RA I read about it, the question is that Taubin was not engaged
              Quote: Alexey RA
              deliberate disruption, rearmament of the air force
              just being an impulsive person, he didn’t bring a gun, but rushed to design better ones. There is negligence (moreover, well-meaning), but not a conscious breakdown. In his place, I would instruct Nudelman to fine-tune and the gun would work out and Nudelman would have less time to write denunciations. hi
              1. +4
                22 August 2019 15: 36
                Quote: Pedrodepackes
                just being an impulsive person, he didn’t bring a gun, but rushed to design better ones. There is negligence (moreover, well-meaning), but not a conscious breakdown.

                Yes, I understand that perfectly - a creative person, a generator of ideas. But negligence of such sizes (IL-2 and LaGG were left without guns) at that time passed under Article 58. Moreover, this activity very much resembled citizen Kurchevsky.
              2. +3
                22 August 2019 16: 30
                just being an impulsive person, he didn’t bring a gun, but rushed to design better ones. There is negligence (moreover, well-meaning), but not a conscious breakdown. In his place, I would instruct Nudelman to fine-tune and the gun would work out and Nudelman would have less time to write denunciations. [I] [/ i]

                Absolutely fair, in my opinion. ++++
              3. +3
                22 August 2019 20: 39
                In his place, I would instruct Nudelman to fine-tune and the gun would work out and Nudelman would have less time to write denunciations.

                You won’t believe it, but it was Nudelman who developed the tape feed system for MP-6, moreover, on an initiative basis.
                PS: In general, the activity of Taubin is a classic example of a combination of genius and stupid obstinacy. Create a completely successful system (MP-6), and safely hammer on its fine-tuning - at the same time bombing all instances with memorandum notes that bureaucrats and pests do not adopt a wonderful product - this is, damn it, dementia and courage in its purest form.
      2. +4
        22 August 2019 20: 44
        negative experience he is also experience. Judging by the information from the article, the experience was even valuable.

        Here the problem is a little different.
        There is an interesting unofficial review by Fyodor Lisitsyn on the book of Rastrenin, dedicated to the development of domestic aviation rifle-artillery systems (https://fvl1-01.livejournal.com/65084.html), which is what for example is:
        In aviation armament, Taubin is a man who was overly needed by the leadership of the Air Force who, despite the title of "Stalin's favorite," Shpitalny stood like a bone in his throat. In general, Taubin was demanded to "break the Shpitalny monopoly." How OKB-16 was going to do it. Oooh - advertising is the main thing. The first sample of the design usually looks like a candy ... It is a masterpiece of lightness, grace, and even simplicity. It comes out abruptly one by one some bright parameter from the TTZ - you wanted a 23 mm gun weighing about 53-55 kg. Great - here ... we made it - it weighs 40 kg. While everyone is stunned with happiness, they pick up their fallen jaws - well, another 9 ku is quickly added, the "system of continuous supply of shells" weighs, but these are trifles. Where does it come from? From the clip. True, there are still a lot of delays and the rate of fire is half that of TTZ, but how light, how compact (if you do not look at the weapons store). Well, we will finish everything now, etc. not a cannon but a candy. Everything will be all. By the way, we designed different stores for her - for all occasions. Then the circus begins. A weapon with fascinating characteristics a priori becomes a favorite, the main thing is to bring it up. And here the fine-tuning of the original simple and elegant design turns into building up knots, details and details on it. How from MP-3 with a rate of fire of 300 rpm made MP-6 at 600 rpm. Two additional and very complex assemblies were added to the existing weapon design, two versions of the clip were made, three versions of the magazines were created - and for different clips. A different type of case has been created. All this is complemented by extreme administrative negligence, which is the corporate identity of the KB. As an example: 2 23mm cannons are sent to Ilyushin for testing to be installed on the Il-2. Having already arrived at the design bureau and installed on the plane, it suddenly turns out that the right and left cannons are fed by different types of ammunition (different casings) and these casings are loaded into different clips - not interchangeable. To the roar of Ilyushin - how is it possible - the answer follows, and what's wrong with that - we are now improving everything, but for now, here you have other shells and clips for another gun ... While so test. And to pubs ... - shells and clips of the THIRD generation that are not suitable for either of the two guns that have already been supplied are arriving at the design bureau.
        1. +1
          22 August 2019 22: 22
          Quote: doktorkurgan
          And to the pubs ... - THIRD generation shells and clips arriving at the design bureau are not suitable for either of the two guns that have already been delivered.

          Funny))
    2. +1
      22 August 2019 08: 42
      They assumed. On the project Pe-2I Myasishcheva.
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 20: 40
        Did not know. However, I'm talking about production cars.
  4. +5
    22 August 2019 07: 11
    The Vickers gun won the competition, and it began to be mass-produced and installed on airplanes.
    The most interesting thing is that the gun was first installed on bombers. Wellington and B-17. And these aircraft worked on enemy submarines, and quite successfully. The 40 mm projectile performed quite well.

    Until 1942, the Vickers S was not produced. The only aircraft armed with this gun were the Hurrican Mark IID and Mark IV.
    Wellington Mk II prototype, shown in the first two photos, existed in a single copy. The planes armed with a 40 mm cannon were supposed to be used as an "escort vehicle" for protection from fighters. During the tests, it was necessary to reinforce the fuselage, as it could not withstand the loads.

    Reinforcements are clearly visible in the picture. The project remained at the testing stage, and a similar installation was not used in hostilities.
    1. +3
      22 August 2019 07: 34
      The B-17 bomber with the Vickers S cannon also existed in one instance.

      On the Mk.IIA aircraft (British designation B-17F) 206 Coastal Command squadrons in December 1943 installed a 40-mm Vickers S gun in the nose on a Bristol B.16 turret. Native weapons removed from the aircraft. The plane was intended just to deal with submarines. During the tests, it turned out that targeted shooting from the installation was extremely difficult when standard tests were returned to the aircraft.
      1. +2
        22 August 2019 07: 38

        So it looked in the process of testing. The device for mounting and dismantling the gun is clearly visible.
  5. +12
    22 August 2019 08: 00
    With the Yak-9 miracles began immediately. The inner diameter of the motor shaft M-105PF, through which the gun barrel passed, was 55 mm. And the diameter of the barrel NS-45 was ... 59 millimeters!
    The barrel of the gun did not pass through the motor shaft, since the gun is installed in the collapse of the cylinder block of this engine.

    The barrel of the gun passed through the gear shaft.
    1. +11
      22 August 2019 08: 03
      In relation to the Yak-9 with the VK-105PF engine, it looks like this.
      .
      In the foreground is the gearbox shaft through which the gun barrel passes.
    2. +3
      22 August 2019 08: 44
      This is too detailed for Roman. wink
  6. +1
    22 August 2019 08: 10
    At T2, the roof was 10 mm, at T3 at first 10 was then strengthened to 17 mm, at Panther 17 mm, similarly at T4, and only at Tiger the roof was at the beginning 28, by the end of the war they were strengthened to 40.
    So only the Tiger stood out radically.
    1. +1
      22 August 2019 12: 08
      At a diving angle of 10-15 degrees, the reduced thickness of the roof T4 will be at least 50mm. It is unlikely that Hurricane dive angle to the target was greater.
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 12: 48
        If there were no normalizers on the armor-piercing ones.
        1. +2
          22 August 2019 12: 52
          It goes without saying. Now, for each of the weapons presented, it is necessary to consider the range of used ammunition. Well, so that it is reasonable to "like to vote for the best." wink
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        3. +1
          22 August 2019 13: 38
          Quote: Avior
          If there were no normalizers on the armor-piercing ones.

          At such an angle, the armor-piercing tip will not bite - there will be a rebound,
          need to dive at an angle of 25 ° -30 °
          1. 0
            22 August 2019 14: 19
            I did not argue, but I'm not sure that Hurricane could not dive if necessary at large angles.
            Still, it was based on a fighter.
            In general, conviction rests on evidence.
            hi
            1. +1
              22 August 2019 22: 07
              Yu-87 could also dive. Even upright. But with two VK-3.7 37mm guns this dive ability disappeared. 10-12 degrees. No more.
  7. +1
    22 August 2019 08: 20
    Cool article, like the previous ones, thanks to the author! Somewhat obscure with japanese cannon
    But-203 was such a successful design that, on orders from above, Dr. Kawamura decided to pump his brainchild with steroids to a caliber of 57 millimeters.

    But-401 inherited from its predecessor all the negative characteristics, of which there were a lot.

    so this No-203 was still successful or what?
  8. +4
    22 August 2019 08: 24
    The Japanese did not stop at 40 mm and also "mastered" 75 mm, having created a Type 1944 cannon for the Ki 109 heavy fighter in 88.

    The gun was a variant of the anti-aircraft gun and was installed in the nose of the Ki-109 aircraft to deal with heavy enemy bombers. Caliber - 75 mm; gun weight - 480 kg; ammunition - 75x497R, shell weight 6,5 kg; initial speed - 720 m / s; rate of fire - 12 rounds per minute.
    1. +6
      22 August 2019 08: 26

      Mitsubishi Ki-109 with gun Type 88.
  9. +7
    22 August 2019 08: 31
    When I read this:
    "The Il-2 did not work at all. Although the idea was quite guns were installed in the root of the wing, or rather, under it, along with a hefty 50 rounds of ammunition. And then there was a superposition of oscillations of the wing and barrels during firing. "


    I realized that I was reading Skomorokhov.
    Roman, the root of the wing is located at the saaaamy fuselage. And not where the console connector is located (unless, of course, the connector is located in the root of the wing, as in the Bf-109, but this is not the case of the Il-2).
    I think, Roman, it will be useful for you to read:
    "Aircraft theory course", Military Publishing, 1940. link: http://virtpilot.org/files/lib/book4.pdf
    After reading and comprehending, you will make fewer mistakes in your compilations. hi
  10. +6
    22 August 2019 09: 16
    a truly monstrous gun Molins.
    The gun was anti-tank - Ordnance Quick-Firing 6-pounder, developed by Woolwich Arsenal.

    And Molins Machinery is a company that has become famous for producing cigarettes. But during the war, the company rebuilt the production and set about creating automatic loaders for aircraft guns, in particular for Hispano. Therefore, for the 6-pounder to design a charging machine was entrusted to this company. The work was led by the son of the founder of the company, Desmond Molins. The result is an automatic loader Auto Loader Mk III. And the gun equipped with this machine is the QF 6-pdr Class M Mark I with Auto Loader Mk III
    1. +5
      22 August 2019 09: 25

      The fully equipped Auto Loader Mk III store contained 22 shells for the aviation version (pictured) and 21 for the land.
      1. +9
        22 August 2019 09: 53
        Colleague! You write an article for Roman. laughing Respect to you! Indeed, interesting details. It’s becoming a tradition - Skomorokhov throws abstracts, and those discussing, refuting or deepening them, cover the topic in detail. This is such a symbiosis.
        1. +1
          23 August 2019 12: 10
          This is generally the traditional style of VO. Article for seed, the main discussion. Although there is certainly a quintessence - Victor spanked Roman not childishly. And according to him, let him pay more attention to the material.
          1. 0
            23 August 2019 12: 23
            And according to him, let him pay more attention to the material.

            Yes, selecting sources and understanding the essence of what is written in them is the basis for creating a truly high-quality article.
  11. 0
    22 August 2019 10: 09
    Taubin was a manager, not a designer. On this and burned.
  12. +3
    22 August 2019 10: 18
    On August 21, A.E. was born into the family of a foundry fashion designer in Odessa. Nudelman. Member of the glorious cohort of Russian gunsmiths.
  13. +2
    22 August 2019 10: 18
    75 mm M4 aircraft gun. USA
    The photo in the article presents the M10 gun, which was installed on the XA-38 Grizzly aircraft. And the gun and the plane did not go into the series.

    Structurally, the gun is similar to the M4 and M5, but is equipped with a charging and feeding device with a magazine for 20 shells.
    1. +2
      22 August 2019 10: 21
      As for the guns M4 and M5. then they were charged manually.
      1. +3
        22 August 2019 12: 04
        There was also the M6 ​​- the tank version, installed on the light tank M24. Only the use of this lightweight gun allowed to enter the mass of the tank in the required 20 tons.
  14. +1
    22 August 2019 10: 24
    God be with them, big air guns - flying exotic. But why didn’t they create a 45-ku for Yak who thought of using it as an anti-aircraft gun? According to VYA-23 in the form of anti-aircraft guns (which is natural) the same question.
    1. +7
      22 August 2019 10: 58
      Quote: mark1
      God be with them, big air guns - flying exotic. But why didn’t they create a 45-ku for Yak who thought of using it as an anti-aircraft gun? According to VYA-23 in the form of anti-aircraft guns (which is natural) the same question.

      EMNIP, VY had the same problems as ShVAK-Tnsh. Aircraft guns are designed for completely different conditions of use: work in clean air (remember, some even glued percussion on muzzle sections before departure), regular maintenance by competent technical staff (after each departure), maximum single-shot projectile consumption - no more than one ammunition per flight .
      And we put this princess on a self-propelled chassis or a towed carriage - and send it to the field. Dust, dirt, troubleshooting by the forces of calculation, the need for prolonged automatic fire - in general, welcome to the army. I remembered about the TNSh for a reason: in the summer of 1942, tank brigades sent a wave of letters about gun refusals due to dust, which caused the T-60s to turn into machine-gun tanks - even despite the work on "landing", the ShVAK cannon could not cope with operating conditions.
      By the way, the army had a 45-mm machine gun - 49-K. But the army chose a 61-K 37-mm caliber.
      1. +1
        22 August 2019 11: 57
        Perhaps you are right. This side is not familiar to me, so I ask questions. hi
  15. 0
    22 August 2019 11: 48
    But in Europe, cannon attack aircraft did not take root. Affected by a better counteraction to the Luftwaffe and air defense. For them, the B-25 was just a target, as its speed dropped to 110 km / h and a slow attack aircraft (maximum speed dropped to 450 km / h) became an easy target.

    I can’t understand why I fell? The gun inside the fuselage, the contours remained clean.
    It is only strange that no cap was invented to close the cannon port in the nose. Despite the fact that the Yankees even sealed the machine guns with paper before flying out, so that aerodynamics would not be spoiled before the fire was opened.
  16. +7
    22 August 2019 13: 30
    But the largest-caliber gun on the plane during the Second World Italians installed. And installed successfully.

    Piaggio P.108A bomber with a 102 mm Ansaldo 1941 gun.
    The gun was created based on the 102/35 Mod. 1914 times of the First World War.
    By December 1942, a gigantic 30-ton attack aircraft, designated P.108A (Artigliere - cannon), was ready and on December 16 it first took off from the airfield in Savona. In general, the flight data has not changed much, and, due to the better aerodynamics of a more streamlined nose, the plane has become even more dynamic compared to the bomber version, accelerating to 440 km / h. After a number of minor improvements, the aircraft was handed over to state tests on March 3, 1943. On March 19, the plane flew to the Furbara airfield, where its flight data were tested, and on April 16 in Pisa, they began firing tests of its cannon weapons. The 102-mm guns were fired at altitudes from 1500 to 4500 m in order to collect data for taring the ballistic computer that had not yet been installed on the aircraft and to develop tactics for using the aircraft. In total, after spending 24 hours 40 minutes in the air, the cannon Piaggio fired more than 200 shells from the cannon during the tests, being a fairly stable gun platform. In any case, the documents did not reflect any complaints about the behavior of the aircraft when firing from a gun of such a large caliber.
    September 6, on a single prototype R.108A installed ballistic computer company San Giorgio with a new sighting system. And on September 8, the cannon Piaggio began the next stage of testing over the sea. In total, during the tests, a total of 102 shells were fired from the 280-mm Piaggio gun.
    But on this day, Italy surrendered and put an end to the project.
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  18. 0
    22 August 2019 17: 27
    I would also like an article about the author. guns after the Second World War on planes and helicopters.
  19. 0
    22 August 2019 20: 30
    Well, the "crown of creation" probably still was the domestic 100mm automatic air cannon - although its history is issued for the period described ...
    1. Alf
      0
      22 August 2019 21: 09
      Quote: Taoist
      Well, the "crown of creation" probably still was the domestic 100mm automatic air cannon - although its history is issued for the period described ...

      Something tells me that after firing such a gun, the plane returned to the airfield without turning around. laughing
      1. 0
        22 August 2019 21: 33
        No ... well, they successfully shot themselves ... Naturally, not from a fighter. But with Tu-2 and Tu-4 ... The idea was to use in air defense - a sort of anti-aircraft gun raised to the sky ... It was necessary to somehow fight with B29 until they created an air defense system ...
  20. 0
    22 August 2019 21: 10
    Tu-22, at least on tests, could fulfill the program - take off, launch and land. And the serial MP-6 gave on average one delay for 15 shots, that is, the program "release the entire ammo" could not be performed in any way. [/ Quote]
    About ..seat..there was a plug ... bad (but what's there - a terrible view from the cockpit .. led to the fact that every landing for the pilot was .. so STRESS that many pilots simply asked for a translation ... oh well him .. this aeroplan .. nerve cells are not restored .. huh
  21. +3
    22 August 2019 22: 43
    Yes, while the Germans were tormented with the wunder guns, the Soviet Union made thousands of bombs PTAB-2,5-1,5, with which, perfectly destroyed German tanks. The whole question is in choosing a concept. wink
  22. +1
    23 August 2019 06: 21
    Due to the winged arrangement of 37 mm and 45 mm guns, the Il-2 unfolded (the moment of recoil), knocking down the sight.
    Later attempts (1943) to use 2 mm and even 37 mm guns on the IL-45 were not effective enough. Due to the strong recoil (the moment of recoil due to the wing arrangement of the guns), respectively, the large dispersion of the shells, relatively targeted shooting was possible only in short bursts of 2-3 shells. Moreover, to compensate for the weight of the guns and their ammunition load, the IL-2 bomb load for this option was reduced to 100 kg.

    http://www.sinor.ru/~bukren3/IL-2_w.doc
    1. 0
      23 August 2019 07: 56
      Quote: riwas
      Due to the winged arrangement of 37 mm and 45 mm guns, the Il-2 unfolded (the moment of recoil), knocking down the sight.

      Why didn’t you try to hang a 45-ku under the belly of the IL-2, and shoot through the screw? And the unfolding moment is removed, and aiming more conveniently. Probably, there were reasons, because the solution is completely obvious even for such an amateur like me.
      1. 0
        23 August 2019 16: 05
        And the trunk cut will be under the plane, and the gases will destroy the entire nose.
  23. 0
    23 August 2019 07: 51
    It is good that this German monster appeared in 1945, and not in 1941.
  24. +1
    23 August 2019 20: 46
    A large caliber gun is certainly good for a good aerobatics and sniper. It's like a minengeshoss in Soviet times. Here, not only the plane is destroyed with one hit, but also the pilot dies. And this is not from a shell rupture, but from the separation of the limbs of the aircraft, in which case the plane turns into a propeller, and the pilot is no longer able to leave the plane. Here, involuntarily, and think about the ejection seat.
  25. 0
    29 August 2019 19: 07
    [Yes, this is the progenitor of VK 7.5.]
    It seems to me alone that this is still not CANCER 40?
    I am now in the country, the main part of the library at home, but, kmk, this is some kind of semi-experimental sample with a supporting shield and a ball mount for a rocking chair.