Rakhmon in negotiations with Russia risks to outwit himself. Militants already at his gate

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Recent reports indicate that Russia is not yet able to overcome differences with Tajikistan regarding the extension of the lease dates for the military base on its territory. Emomali Rakhmon puts forward “unacceptable demands,” hinting at similar proposals from the United States. Meanwhile, Russia is in no hurry to make concessions, directly pointing out that Tajikistan needs our military base no less than we do. According to the latest data, militant groups from Pakistan and Afghanistan are joining the Tajik-Afghan border, and tension in the region is growing.

Come on baksheesh!

The protracted bargaining over the fate of the 201 of the Russian military base has repeatedly become the subject of our reviews, as one of the indicators of Russia's influence in Central Asia. It seemed that the matter got off the ground, when D. Medvedev after his visit to Tajikistan (as president of the Russian Federation), said that the agreement would be signed before March 2012 of the year. However, this did not happen. The subsequent visit to the republic of S. Lavrov did not bring any results either.

Now the situation is not only not resolved, but also seems to have come to a new dead end. Recently, the Commander-in-Chief of the Land Forces of Russia, Vladimir Chirkin, declared this openly and added that the “tug of war” was underway: the Tajik side proposes to reduce the length of stay of the Russian base from 49 to 10 years, and also establish the procedure for compensated stay of the Russian troops. Along with this, Chirkin noted that “due to the predicted aggravation of interstate contradictions in the sphere of energy, water and land use in the countries of Central Asia, local armed conflicts may arise with the participation of Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.”

Such a frank statement caused outrage in the Ministry of Defense of Tajikistan, which called it "politically incorrect."

But, apparently, the words of Chirkin accurately reflected the position of Russia, which realized that the time for refined diplomacy had passed, and the question arose squarely. Following the verbal squabble, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation stopped financing projects aimed at developing the 201 base. The logic of the department is clear - why invest in the construction of infrastructure, if after two years you have to leave the base to Tajikistan?

Recall that in the territory of Tajikistan there is the largest Russian land overseas 201 military base. The Russian military is deployed in the cities of Dushanbe, Kulyab and Kurgan-Tyube. In addition, in Tajikistan there is an object of the troops of the Aerospace Defense of Russia - a unique optical-electronic complex "Window".

The lease term of the Russian military base in Tajikistan expires in 2014 and coincides with the planned completion of the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan. In this regard, the leadership of Tajikistan, despite its total dependence on the supply of Russian hydrocarbons, is trying to bargain rent from our country.

“Half past one” for Rakhmon

In the protracted dispute, the Russian side points out that Tajikistan and Rakhmon personally have a vital interest in maintaining the presence of the Russian military.

“The military presence in Tajikistan of the 201 of the Russian division is a deterrent for extremists and a guarantee of security for Dushanbe,” said D. Rogozin, adding that the obstinacy of Tajikistan is due to the indirect influence of NATO, “After the withdrawal of the NATO group from Afghanistan, the situation I hope that it will change, but so far the presence of this factor creates a field of instability and unpredictability of the behavior of some of our partners. ”

“I can say one thing: this base for Tajikistan may be of much greater interest than for Russia,” said Konstantin Biryulin, deputy director of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, said, “Today it’s very difficult in Central Asia. Americans leave Afghanistan, how events will develop at this point on Earth - it is very difficult to predict "

However, so far most of the forecasts indicate that the withdrawal of Americans from Afghanistan guarantees the strengthening of the positions of radical groups throughout Central Asia. In this case, Rakhmon and his Kyrgyz counterpart, Atambaev and Karimov, who, however, has already hurried to make a bet on the Americans, having left the CSTO, will be hit. That is why the Russian military base in Tajikistan is an outpost that is of great importance both for Rakhmon and for us.

Today's bargaining between Rakhmon and Russia threatens to put him in the position of a boy from a famous anecdote who exchanged a pistol for a beautiful watch: “Aslan will come to you, and what will you tell him? Half past one?".

On the border of the clouds walk gloomily ...

Rahmon has something to think about right now. According to the Afghan security service at the Afghan-Tajik border, a group of fighters up to 200 were concentrated in the remote Varzich gorge.

The Taliban, the Ansorulloh and the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) militants in the multinational group include Afghans, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Chechens.

A few more groups settled near the Kyrgyz border, where they prepared warehouses with weapons and ammunition.

Such a redeployment has already caused a reaction from Tajikistan, which began major military exercises, which will last until 10 June. However, exercises are hardly capable of leveling the growing threat in the Afghan direction.

There is an opinion that the concentration of militants on the border is explained by their preparation for attacks on NATO convoys following the Northern distribution network through the Central Asian republics. However, we already know that Pakistan, which gave the US the go-ahead for transit through its territory, will significantly reduce the volume of cargo transported along this route. This means that the task area facing the militants in Central Asia is much more extensive.

This situation is well recognized and our Ministry of Defense, probably, the awareness of its acuteness, dictated a sharp change in tone in the protracted negotiations with Rakhmon. Deadlines are tightened, the threats are growing, and the time for the ornate time is over.
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  1. +7
    7 July 2012 07: 04
    Yes, along the way, the enemy will have to be repelled already on the border with Kazakhstan. Not much good news ....
    1. +7
      7 July 2012 09: 34
      Quote: Magadan
      Not much good news ....

      First of all, for Kazakhstan.
      Again - nothing prevents to meet the enemy on the southern Kazakh border.
    2. +13
      7 July 2012 12: 05
      All gastrikas over the hill during the day, a week later when the grub and money run out and they drag their rahmon by the ears and crawl on their knees. If they do not understand the words, but only the power, so be it.
      1. Teploteh - nick
        +6
        8 July 2012 08: 41
        Quote: despite his total dependence on the supply of Russian hydrocarbons, he is trying to bargain for rent from our country.
        I remember when I was young, it wasn’t a lot of money - you’ll come to the clothing market, there these ******* are selling. You ask how much sneakers cost? In response, you hear: Yes, you only try on it, we will agree on the price ....... ..... ... la-la-bla-bla. And praises, and extols, pops and pops. You say, okay, I take - how much?
        Says for example - 2.000.
        No - I went. In the cabin there are 2.000. You are leaving.
        Catchs up after 20 meters - wait, let's throw it off - how much you will give! - In general, did it finish me? Are you or I a seller? Ask the buyer - how much will you give? Top stupidity!
        500r - I say.
        I can’t say 500 - I’m buying it for 500. Come on 1500.
        I say - I do not have 1,500 - come on for 600.
        Says a minimum - I will give for 1200.
        I say - okay, I went, I’ll buy from another.
        As a result, you buy for 700r.
        And this Trade - TORG - takes about 20 minutes - a minimum. So now - I’m not a foot at all kinds of markets. Maximum - at the Russian Bazaar. But basically - in the norms. I take things in stores. The same Sportmaster.
        In general - traders and hucksters - they are trogs and hucksters - in their blood it is to cash in on others. And + we ourselves let them do it. It is tougher to have a policy with such *****. I would imagine in the USSR - they would have so ******* scattered! am And here - they simply became insolent.
        1. Facturin
          +9
          8 July 2012 13: 42
          Teploteh - nick,
          To the question - how much do you give? we must say not 500, but 200! So that his eyes climbed his forehead! And then everything is according to the scheme, and in the end, the sneakers will not be given to you for 700, but for 500 !!! East - a gamble!
  2. +24
    7 July 2012 07: 27
    Well, if Mr. Rahmon thinks he can deal with the Taliban without our base, then we need to help him. Hundreds of thousands of Tajik migrant workers sent home will "significantly" strengthen the ranks of the Tajik army laughing Central Asian bai have completely lost their sense of reality. That Karimov, that Rakhmon. Who do they rely on in case of attempts to break through the Taliban? For NATO members? Nonsense, a serious mess will begin, they will fall down even faster than from Afghanistan. How long then will the "valiant" nukers be able to hold their lines? Hour? Two? They are relatively good as plasterers, but I cannot imagine "Ravshan and Dzhamshut" in the trenches wassat
    1. Shohmansur
      -26
      7 July 2012 07: 49
      I did not expect anything else
      Quote: sanych
      Hundreds of thousands of Tajik guest workers sent to their homeland
      ... Whoever forbids - send. Another question is who will work? Drunken drunks and parasites? Drug addicts ... or will Rogozin personally pick up a shovel? And besides, there is no need to worry about the nukers, you better worry about the "Window", if Russia is shaken out of the Republic of Tatarstan (which I do not believe) the country will be left without a complex.
      Quote: sanych
      They are relatively good as plasterers, but I cannot imagine "Ravshan and Dzhamshut" in the trenches
      I wonder who will go the other way? Who fought in Afghanistan against the USSR and is now fighting against NATO?
      Russia is losing, is rapidly losing ground in the world. Leaving Cuba, losing Azerbaijan, constant problems in Crimea ... who will seriously reckon with the state whose only lever of pressure is the expulsion of illegal immigrants from the country. They were never considered weak in Asia, and after the opening of the borders of Russia to its main enemy, NATO will not be reckoned with.
      1. islandpan
        +12
        7 July 2012 08: 38
        Who forbids - send. Another question is who will work? Drunken drunks and parasites?


        drunks and parasites - they can work, only they have to pay normally! and "Ravshana and Dzhamshuta" work for free and take away work from the Russians, which makes them drunks and parasites!
        I myself know how Uzbeks in the fields hunchback from March to November and then they will be given a ticket for $ 500 for them and they will be happy
        1. chukapabra
          -23
          7 July 2012 09: 05
          Quote: ostrovpan
          I myself know how Uzbeks in the fields hunchback from March to November and then they will be given a ticket for $ 500 for them and they will be happy

          And who's stopping you from hunching and earning more than them? Work - and be the same happy
          1. prispek
            +26
            7 July 2012 09: 20
            Quote: chukapabra
            And who's stopping you from hunching and earning more than them? Work - and be the same happy

            A normal Russian already works more than that. Only the policy of our statehood is such that a Tajik gets a job because the employer keeps half his salary and shares it with those who are higher. Russian can’t work for half the salary because his family lives here and the cost of living in Russia is not like in Central Asia
            1. chukapabra
              -24
              7 July 2012 09: 39
              Quote: prispek
              Russian can’t work for half the salary because his family lives here and the cost of living in Russia is not like in Central Asia

              Well, firstly, the Russians have more opportunities. Secondly, if everything was so simple, then only Tajiks would work everywhere. Well, in the third, that a normal Russian works more than they do, I would somehow not completely agree with this.
              1. prispek
                +15
                7 July 2012 11: 39
                Quote: chukapabra
                Well, firstly, the Russian has more opportunities.

                Would you like the other way around? What would the Russian in Russia have less opportunities than the visitors? So calm down, our elite, whose national composition is very different from nat. composition of the population leads the country to this.
                Quote: chukapabra
                that a normal Russian works more than they do, I would somehow not quite agree with this.

                "A" normal Russian "usually has dual citizenship, real estate abroad, and of course will not work as a janitor, a builder and a gardener. A normal Russian for a normal salary will be, and work, and does not ruin equipment and tools. And about the productivity of a Russian and a guest worker and already wrote.
                1. chukapabra
                  -13
                  7 July 2012 12: 01
                  Quote: prispek
                  Would you like the other way around? What would the Russian in Russia have less opportunities than the visitors?

                  Of course not, this is the answer to that cry. like Gaster we were thrown from work

                  Quote: prispek
                  A normal Russian for a normal salary will be, and works, and does not ruin equipment and tools. And I already wrote about the productivity of the Russian and migrant workers.

                  Well, write about labor productivity in the defense industry, there were not a few articles. Are there the same Gaster?
                  1. prispek
                    +8
                    7 July 2012 12: 43
                    Quote: chukapabra
                    this is the answer to that cry. like Gaster we were thrown from work

                    Do not distort. It was not Gaster who threw us the work, but our comprador elite. With the help of strikebreakers, the capitalist has always fought against the proletariat. With the help of migrant workers, power, as always, solves several problems at once. 1. Reduces the cost of unskilled labor. 2. Replaces protest-minded Russian workers with corrupt-minded Central Asians. 3. In the future, it destroys the proletariat as a class. since work becomes not a privileged destiny for visitors.
                    Quote: chukapabra
                    Well, write about labor productivity in the defense industry, there were not a few articles. Are there the same Gaster?

                    I don’t remember. How long have we been with you? It's time. You twist again. The conversation was about the labor productivity of Tajiks in the simplest jobs, and not in the defense industry. This is two. If migrant workers from Central Asia worked at defense factories, the productivity of labor there would have fallen several times, even though it was not high anyway. Industrial injuries would have surpassed all records, and accidents, wear and tear and damage to equipment, would have led to a complete stop of enterprises. This is three. And in general, what do you want to say? Show your position, and do not criticize other people's posts.
                    1. chukapabra
                      -10
                      7 July 2012 13: 42
                      Quote: prispek
                      With the help of migrant workers, power, as always, solves several problems at once. 1. Reduces the cost of unskilled labor. 2. Replaces protest-minded Russian workers with corrupt-minded Central Asians. 3. In the future, it destroys the proletariat as a class. since work becomes not a privileged destiny for visitors.

                      This is the power that you not only elected, but also re-elected simply with an overwhelming advantage over other candidates.

                      Quote: prispek
                      , even though she was not tall anyway

                      So I’m talking about why she’s not high there. ? There are no Gaster, some Russians who inject from morning to evening, cherish the instrument, etc. (all your words only)
                      Quote: prispek
                      Show your position, not criticize others
                      posts

                      I do not criticize, I refute and affirm - it is necessary to work and everything will work out then.
                      1. prispek
                        0
                        7 July 2012 19: 30
                        Quote: chukapabra
                        This is the power that you not only elected, but also re-elected simply with an overwhelming advantage over other candidates.

                        Well, it’s you who write to the faithful Putiners, they will instruct you in pluses. I do not belong to them, and I believe that we did not choose this power, but a handful of oligarchs with characteristic surnames. Next is a matter of technology. And even if only he would have voted for Putin in the last election, the wizard Churov would have declared his victory with a result of 53%.
                        Quote: chukapabra
                        So I'm talking about why she is not high there?

                        You know that. high or not high? So when my words suit you, then this is the truth, and when not, then you refute and affirm. Take an interest in the number of Tornado and Su-27 fighters produced. The figures are comparable. Only three countries released tornadoes, and one Su-27. so the performance is also comparable. But that's not what I was talking about. You constantly twist, and I do not intend to play with you as with a card sharper.
                        Quote: chukapabra
                        I do not criticize, I refute and affirm - it is necessary to work and everything will work out then.

                        You would have gained a lot if not for your eternal donor and sponsor of the United States. On this I stop communicating with you.
                      2. Facturin
                        +8
                        8 July 2012 13: 48
                        prispek,
                        A conversation between the deaf and the blind! No one is going to send Gaster, but they have nothing to do in the factories, there is no specialty! So do not solve geopolitical problems at the expense of ordinary people! Also me, revolutionaries!
                  2. throst
                    +8
                    7 July 2012 13: 35
                    normal performance in our defense industry, no need for lyal. We are crap for wear and tear, despite the "wise" leadership of the local level, we are carrying out the plan of the state defense order.
                  3. mihos ve
                    0
                    8 July 2012 19: 09
                    So write about the performance of the Germans at -45. If you have changed the place of deployment, you do not need to pontoon your homeland. In the Russian defense industry, productivity will probably be more than that of your right palm, another thing is that there is a general stagnation, underfunding, aging of personnel - something that only now, with a rustle, is changing, keeping afloat - already a FEAT! Think - ALL INDUSTRY STANDS ON DEVELOPMENT -USSR! And half is proa .... The productivity of the Russian and also the Slavic population is ALWAYS an order of magnitude higher. If people have a normal education ... or are placed in critical conditions. Having a "watchtower" you will go as a janitor, but if you have another - not. Trouble ........ The problem is that a person with our mentality is trying to get away from problems and reality.
              2. OSTAP BENDER
                +8
                7 July 2012 12: 29
                Listen to chupacabra! I, recently, from you Jews, in local posts I only hear that we Slovenes should work and work, and then everything will be OK with us! Is that such an installation? Or is it a subtle joke? Put your nose into our affairs less, just mess here, you see you get sadistic pleasure from it! Engage in increased productivity in your homeland in Israel! Already got, mad rages ... nya like demons in hell!
                1. chukapabra
                  -12
                  7 July 2012 13: 48
                  Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                  from you Jews, in local posts I only hear that we Slovenes should work and work, and then everything will be OK with us

                  Yes, the secret of the formula is simple.

                  Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                  Is that such an installation? Or is it a subtle joke?

                  Do you want, you can joke

                  Quote: OSTAP BENDER
                  Put your nose into our affairs less, just mess here, you see you get sadistic pleasure from it!

                  Cry less and blame all the problems of the Jews
                  1. OSTAP BENDER
                    +4
                    7 July 2012 14: 08
                    Chupacabra! And I do not blame the Jews, among them there are many worthy people! I’m saying that you don’t go to us, with your .. moralizing teachings. So no, you climb and climb, everywhere! And I have nothing to put this Zionist propaganda!
                    1. chukapabra
                      -15
                      7 July 2012 14: 21
                      What are you doing on the forum? You or others, then the tears of crocodile poured like Gaster tortured. Do not want to hear someone else's opinion. do not sit on the forums. COMRADE BENDER.
                      1. OSTAP BENDER
                        +3
                        7 July 2012 14: 52
                        For me, your opinion, and even more so your Zionist ravings, mean nothing! You are not expressing your opinion here, but from the height of your Jewish ego you are doing moralizing! I repeat, but you, you see, get perverted pleasure from it! Express your opinion, but do not engage in provocations! Tsiyoni Chupacabra!
                      2. +6
                        7 July 2012 15: 04
                        chukapabra
                        Yes, calm down you - no one here sheds tears - do not give out wishful thinking.
                      3. throst
                        +5
                        7 July 2012 22: 46
                        it seems to me that you haven’t been set for cons for the Israeli flag)))

                        it seems to me that you haven’t been set for cons for the Israeli flag)))

                        it seems to me that you haven’t been set for cons for the Israeli flag)))
                  2. +7
                    7 July 2012 23: 05
                    An adversary revealing your mistakes is much more useful than a friend concealing them. (Leonardo da Vinci)
                    Something like this ...
                    1. Facturin
                      +7
                      8 July 2012 13: 50
                      vvvvv,
                      Aircraft designers are more intelligible; you can only rely on what resists!
                  3. 77bor1973
                    +1
                    7 July 2012 23: 51
                    Take a look at yourself first, do not consider yourself smarter than everyone, but about productivity, you can’t learn!
                2. +8
                  7 July 2012 15: 02
                  OSTAP BENDER (5
                  ) You are not quite right - the Jews are not all like that. Look at Odessa - yes she with this sucking goats on the same field sr_t not sit down! And this comrade is just a kind of banderlog, regardless of the flag!
                  1. OSTAP BENDER
                    +6
                    7 July 2012 15: 10
                    smile! I wrote that among the Jews there are many worthy people! I really respect my countrywoman (there are no former Odessans) Odessans!
                    1. +7
                      7 July 2012 15: 31
                      OSTAP BENDER
                      Yes, at first I wrote my comment, and then I just read your next comment - Know your dad! :))))))) I agree with you completely ... and with regard to Odessa - too!
                      1. Facturin
                        +8
                        8 July 2012 13: 51
                        smile,
                        Do not touch the Odessa woman, let's tear it !!! angry angry angry
        2. Shohmansur
          -12
          7 July 2012 09: 24
          And who forbids the leadership of Russia to block the border? Who forbids the Russian leadership to pay its citizens a decent salary? Who forbids paying worthy pensions to Russian citizens, and not forcing them to hang around in garbage dumps? I can continue further ...
          Russia itself has fallen to the level of poor, undeveloped countries. Who will be friends with Russia if it does not fulfill contracts with Iran, Syria. Russia is abandoning its friends. Why the enemy if there is a friend like Russia ?!
          Enough already pouring slops on everyone, is it not better to take care of your country and your citizens!
          As for the 500 S, many Russians don’t have this money, but they don’t go to work.
          1. +8
            7 July 2012 11: 55
            Quote: Shohmansur
            Who forbids - send. Another question is who will work? Drunken drunks and parasites?

            Do not worry, you will not get a boot and will work for someone and will pay salaries. The problem is that while you are working here they will take you and not the Russians (whom you consider drunks and parasites). Question Che you will eat without Russia and without money!
            Quote: Shohmansur
            And who forbids the leadership of Russia to block the border? Who forbids the Russian leadership to pay its citizens a decent salary? Who forbids paying worthy pensions to Russian citizens, and not forcing them to hang around in garbage dumps?
            You do not bother about our country, but look at your own how she takes care of you, so you all drink here, eat and earn money! And as soon as they send you away, we’ll see how you sing laughing
          2. chistii20
            +3
            7 July 2012 12: 25
            Shohmansur,
            it is not we who descended And you
          3. +6
            7 July 2012 15: 06
            Shohmansur Enough of you ... Do you not understand. that pouring mud on our people, you are setting him against yourself? Or is this your goal? ... If not, be careful in terms. If yes - Well, tady -Oh! Itself asked for it!
      2. prispek
        +16
        7 July 2012 09: 09
        Quote: Shohmansur
        Who forbids - send. Another question is who will work? Drunken drunks and parasites? Drug addicts...

        I saw how Tajiks work. 5 people with shovels, two digging, three stand nearby and suck nasvay. They say that they are not supposed to work; they have dad buy. Two diggers work twice as slow as any Slav. Parasites and drunks among migrant workers will soon be no less than among Russians. Having survived two winters in Russia, a Tajik starts to thump like a local.
        Quote: Shohmansur
        Who fought in Afghanistan against the USSR and is now fighting against NATO? I wish I had opened the book, the collective farmer, and found out about the national composition of the DRA.

        Well, what kind of warriors are the warriors and Uzbeks, it became clear after the withdrawal of Soviet troops. The Pashtuns smashed this army to dust.
        1. ivachum
          +6
          7 July 2012 15: 17
          I will probably upset you .... but the north of Afghanistan is populated not by Pashtuns, but by ethnic Tajiks .... Besides. most of the officers in the Afghan army are Tajiks. they fight not bad ..... though, only for themselves and for themselves. although not all. And the Armed Forces of the RT are shitty because bringing them to normal condition is more dangerous for Rakhmon than the militants across the river. And they have the same Ministry of Internal Affairs. He is simply afraid of his ...
          1. zevs379
            +2
            7 July 2012 21: 34
            Quote: ivachum
            And the Armed Forces of the RT are shitty because bringing them to normal condition is more dangerous for Rakhmon than the militants across the river. And they have the same Ministry of Internal Affairs. He is simply afraid of his ...


            I agree +. And about expelling everyone from Russia, then think whether we need a second Afghanistan. As soon as they stop letting Tajiks into Russia, there will be a real humanitarian catastrophe with all that it implies.
      3. +5
        7 July 2012 10: 21
        Quote: Shohmansur
        I wonder who will go the other way? Who fought in Afghanistan against the USSR and is now fighting against NATO? I wish I had opened the book, the collective farmer, and found out about the national composition of the DRA.
        And what does the national composition of the DRA have to do with it? After the departure of NATO troops, the Taliban will demolish the national army of Afghanistan. Ahmad Shah Masoud is no more, unfortunately. He was the only one who could resist the Taliban. And the expansion into the Central Asian republics will be from the Taliban, and not the DRA. And the bearded man’s fighting experience is very solid! Here you correctly noted that they fought both the USSR and the Northern Alliance, now with NATO. And you do not need to think about the positions of Russia, dear Shokhmanur, but about how to restrain the wave of professional warriors if Russia leaves, or, as you put it, it will be shaken out of Central Asia. (Please note, I didn’t call you a dekhkan!)
        1. Shohmansur
          -11
          7 July 2012 10: 39
          I will not be lazy to quote you
          Quote: sanych
          They are relatively good as plasterers, but I cannot imagine "Ravshan and Dzhamshut" in the trenches
          Before you carry the nonsense, find out who is fighting on the other side. And then it’s impossible to imagine them in the trenches, will Afghan veterans agree with this statement?

          Quote: sanych
          And you do not have to think about the positions of Russia, dear Shokhmanur
          Read the article first dear. Not Tajikistan is crying about the withdrawal of the base, but Russia. Russia is afraid of an influx of extremists in the SA, what are we afraid of? These comrades, even under Soviet rule, roamed freely across the border. One demon on both sides of the Panj live Tajiks.
          1. throst
            +3
            7 July 2012 13: 47
            Quote: Shohmansur
            Before you carry the nonsense, find out who is fighting on the other side. And then it’s impossible to imagine them in the trenches, will Afghan veterans agree with this statement?

            Something rabbis and jamshuts used to sit in the trenches against our veterans of Afghanistan? and were there trenches in Afghanistan, or were there militant raids, attacks on columns, sorties and sabotage? Yes, and wasn’t there the full support of the Mujahideen from the CIA and under the guise of the State Department? those who jumped in the gorges from the SA jump there now, and they taught their children and grandchildren. the one who picks up a weapon in Afghanistan picks it up, as a rule, for life, and feeds on it.
            Quote: Shohmansur
            Not Tajikistan is crying about the withdrawal of the base, but Russia. Russia is afraid of an influx of extremists in the SA, what are we afraid of?

            Russia is not afraid, Russia is afraid. these are two big differences. the influx of extremists in Central Asia does not pose any mortal threat to the Russian Federation. rather, it is a huge threat to the citizens of Central Asian states. We will help Kazakhstan, it is indisputable. but to all sorts of Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and others - this carries a more than tangible threat. I’m generally silent about power clans - I am only to my advantage if the Islamists who are wild and greedy for babos come to power there. so Rahmon can really outsmart himself.
            1. +4
              7 July 2012 15: 16
              throst
              Damn, men - do not be fooled by the statements of this provocateur and do not spit on all Tajiks, they are not all like this ... I will not say who!
            2. ivachum
              +1
              7 July 2012 15: 24
              Sorry, but they were the ones sitting. And there were trenches, rarely true. And the "pleasant" climate - up to +60 in summer. in winter in the mountains up to -50. I highly recommend the "Light tropical rain in the mountains" attraction. If the mudflow does not wash away, then share your impressions ...
          2. +7
            7 July 2012 15: 14
            Shohmansur
            Pancake. Yes, Russia does not cry, but we really do not want to. so that you would have the same bloody bacchanalia as in Afghanistan. And remember the war of the Vovchik-yurchiks, are not you afraid? Would you like it again? Only more serious - already without the support of Russia? Or were you for vovchikov? If so, then everything is clear!

            For those who don’t know — the Vovchiks — Wahhabis, radical Islamists, Taliban, Yurchiks — those who resisted them were rallied by their supporters of the Communists. Thanks to our help, Yurchiki won.
        2. ivachum
          0
          7 July 2012 15: 19
          Ahmad Shah Masoud, by the way, was a Tajik .... laughing
          1. Shohmansur
            -4
            7 July 2012 16: 36
            Quote: ivachum
            Ahmad Shah Masoud, by the way, was a Tajik .... laughing
            99.9% of visitors to this site do not know this.
            1. +3
              7 July 2012 20: 22
              From our internationalists, he scurried about in the mountains, as Gelayev is now, then he worked for us against the Taliban, then he was defeated by the Taliban. If this is the pride of the Tajik people, then there is nothing to be proud of.
      4. +4
        7 July 2012 10: 54
        I risk incurring "righteous anger" but the man is right ... Russia is also deeply interested in cheap labor and it is not about alcoholics. The Russians, as I understand it, will not work for the money they pay to migrant workers, so stop being hypocritical, no one will send anyone out. And in the article, plus Tajikistan itself is interested in the base, they will bargain and agree ... after all, Russia is also interested in meeting the Taliban away from its borders ...
      5. chistii20
        +6
        7 July 2012 12: 21
        Shohmansur, You look smart, I’ll have to send everyone to hell once it’s something like that, but it’s flowers. When the real deportation begins, then there will be berries. Do not worry about the window, we won’t leave. As for who will work, I’m looking the same way or somebody wages will be raised From Tajiks or Uzbeks, one loss in Russia You also wrote that Asia is not considered weak You yourself are weak to exhaustion And if it weren’t for Russia (the Soviet Union) God would know that I’ll return to the topic of expelling Tajiks from Uzbekistan and other migrant workers the shobla feels at home in Russia But the Russians survived after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Read carefully and draw your conclusions only correct. All of Central Asia without Russia
        1. Shohmansur
          -1
          7 July 2012 13: 54
          Quote: chistii20
          chistii20
          I’m smart, but you’re not looking very well. I can’t wait for the expulsion to begin, when ... when ... And as for the base, neither you are the owner of the land, nor I ... They can agree - there will be a base, they will not be able ... The author of the article is blaming, the Russian soldier will leave , pipets come RT. And let me tell you not to an intelligent person how we were driven out - Russians, Ukrainians, Germans ... There is an area in Dushanbe near the circus, and there was a funny performance there back in 90: they cut, killed, burned ... neither Russians, nor Ukrainians and not Germans separately, all in a row, including Tajiks, not dressed in accordance with the law. And where was 201 msk when there was a mess in the city? And 201 msd quietly stood peacefully for a day in the places of deployment. And I can tell you how a Russian officer came to us for free furniture, anyway, we are not from here today — they will shake us out tomorrow. I can tell you how drunken contract soldiers behaved ...
          Yes, I don’t give a damn about everything, I’m upset, on December 24, 1979, my grandfather left as a member of the 201st Moscow Road Base, on January 1980, XNUMX, he died in Kunduz. Today, because of the goats, there is a division. Some chmyry dispose, first restore order in yourself. A powerful power dancing to the whistle of the United States. Didn’t the Russian tsar the father threw allies in Iran, Syria, watched as they hammer Libya ... And you tell me tales here, about flowers and berries. First, unlearn your sleeve to bite, then you'll open your mouth.
          1. ivachum
            +5
            7 July 2012 15: 43
            This is you in vain ....

            201 FFM lost more than 300 people. Several people died during the evacuation of the US Embassy in Dushanbe. Rakhmon is generally alive thanks to the reconnaissance company 92 msp 201 msd.

            And in your opinion, against whom was the 201st FFM in the Civil War supposed to come out?

            "After the collapse of the Soviet Union, 201msd was included in the Joint Armed Forces of the CIS.
            Under the conditions of the civil war in Tajikistan, by decree of the President of Russia dated September 9, 1992 "On the transfer of military units located in Tajikistan under the jurisdiction of Russia" and by order of the Minister of Defense of Russia of September 22, 1992, the entire 201st division were included in the composition Armed Forces of Russia. In 1992-1997, there were repeated attempts by Tajik extremists to seize its weapons and material resources, split the division on a national basis and drag it into the conflict on the side of one of the warring parties. Divisions of the division engaged in clashes with armed groups on the Tajik-Afghan border, protecting military and vital civilian objects from destruction.
            After the attack on July 13, 1993 at the 12th border guard of the 117th border detachment of the Russian GPV in Tajikistan, in accordance with the Directive of the Russian Ministry of Defense No. 312/1/0111ш of July 19, 1993, the 201st division was understaffed to the state of the peacetime division and in its composition included the 41st separate helicopter squadron, the 2nd separate jet division, artillery division, and the Russian Air Force aviation group in Tajikistan was created.
            In early 1993, the status of the division and its main tasks were determined at the interstate level. The division was entrusted with the task of normalizing the situation on the Tajik-Afghan border, ensuring the delivery, protection and distribution of humanitarian aid, assisting in the process of repatriation of refugees, and protecting the most important economic facilities.
            The forces of the division formed over 250 convoys, which passed along the mountain roads from Dushanbe to Shaartuz and Khorog, delivering tens of thousands of tons of medicines, food, fuel and lubricants and construction materials to the population. In 1994-1995, there were frequent cases of shelling of such convoys, attempts to obstruct their advance. Tens of thousands of refugees from Gorno-Badakhshan, from the southern sections of the Tajik-Afghan border, were brought to their places of residence. As stipulated by the General Agreement on the Establishment of Peace and National Accord in Tajikistan, the division ensured the transfer of the last armed formations of the United Tajik Opposition from the Nizhniy Pyanj region to the place of the main deployment in the Garm group of regions. "

            On August 24, Islamic militants R. Nurullobekov and D. Makhmudov killed the Tajik Prosecutor General, Nurulla Khuvaydulloev, which caused mass rallies in the homeland of the Pangaz village in the Asht district of Leninabad region and Kulob, which sharply condemned the government of national reconciliation [3].

            At about 15 p.m. on August 31, the “youth of Dushanbe,” together with refugees from the Kurgan-Tyube and Kulyab regions, having blocked the exits from the presidential palace, demanded a meeting with the president. A few hours later they captured the residence, but Nabiyev was not there, because he managed to take refuge in the garrison of the 201st motorized infantry division of the CIS Air Force. In the hands of the invaders was a group of hostages of 48 people [11], one of whom was brutally killed [5]. The refugees set the president’s immediate resignation as a condition for their release, and a grenade launcher was popped out of the building’s window for greater conviction [11]. In a telephone conversation with Akbarsho Iskandarov, Speaker of the Supreme Council, Nabiev said that he was not going to retire, and "let the hostages be shot if they want" [11]. Two days later, the hostages were released. Against the backdrop of these events in the Leninabad region, it was announced the creation of a "National Guard" of 2 thousand people [3]. On September 2, cabinet ministers signed a joint statement of no confidence in the president and decided to open a session of the Supreme Council on September 4.

            On the same day, supporters of the president gathered in front of the regional executive committee in Kurgan-Tyube. During the speech of Sangak Safarov, the IPV and DPT detachments, taking the protesters in the ring, opened fire, and at the same time, with the support of armored vehicles, captured key places in the city. The massacre began in the city, including in the quarter where the Uzbeks, immigrants from Samarkand, lived. Thousands of people surged under the protection of the 191st regiment of the 201st division into the adjacent village named after Lomonosov [3]. The session of the Supreme Council of Tajikistan scheduled for September 4-5, which was supposed to solve the issue of the resignation of the head of state, did not take place due to the lack of a quorum [11].

            On September 7, Rakhmon Nabiev tried to secretly leave for his native Khojent, which, like Kulyab, was not controlled by the Islamists, but was intercepted on the way to the airport. In order to prevent reprisals against the president, 4 tanks, 1 armored personnel carrier and 1 infantry fighting vehicle of the 201st motorized infantry division and 4 armored personnel carriers of the Tajik Ministry of Internal Affairs arrived at the airport [3]. On the evening of the same day after meeting with members of the Presidium of the Supreme Council of Tajikistan, Nabiev signed a letter of resignation. After that, the political crisis in Tajikistan finally acquired the character of a civil war.

            In Kurgan-Tube and its environs fierce battles took place. The detachments of the Garmian Islamists, who came to the aid of the Kurgan-Tyube opposition supporters, threw the Yurchiks back to the Kulyab region. Then the Garmian Islamists massacred in the Uzbek quarter of Kurgan-Tyube, Russian residents of this city were also attacked. Only the intervention of units of the 201st division stationed in the city prevented further casualties.

            Politically and politically, the opposition began to depend on the Garmian Islamists, which pushed Dushanbins, Kurgan-Tyubins and Badakhshans from it. The support of the Kulyab supporters of the Popular Front has increased. Uzbekistan began to supply them with weapons. On the territory of Uzbekistan, groups of Uzbeks from Tajikistan were formed, armed and trained. Among them stood out a former officer of the Soviet Army, a participant in the Afghan war, Mahmud Khudoyberdyev. In early September, these units captured the Hissar Valley, where a new group of "yurchiks" appeared - the Hissar-Tursunzade. She cut the railway connecting Dushanbe with the outside world and hunger threatened over Dushanbe, Garm and the Pamirs [12].

            On September 25, Islamists attacked the village named after Lomonosov near Kurgan-Tyube, where large groups of refugees were concentrated. Islamists infiltrated the village and ousting officers of the 191st regiment of the 201st division, staged a massacre [15].

            On September 27, Kulyab detachments under the command of a former teacher in a juvenile colony of an internal forces officer Langari Langariev stormed Kurgan-Tyube and held him until October 4 [3] [16].

            In early 1993, the main hostilities moved to Karategin (Garm, Romit) and Darvaz (Tavildara). On June 21, 1993, the Civil Judicial Collegium of the Supreme Court of Tajikistan banned the activities of opposition parties (the Democratic Party of Tajikistan, the Islamic Renaissance Party, the Rastokhez Popular Movement, and the Lali Badakhshon Society) [22]. All four political movements organized a military-political bloc - the United Tajik Opposition, which opposed the official policy of the authorities.

            A turbulent situation developed on the Tajik-Afghan border, where Russian border guards served. Since spring, Tajik opposition fighters, with the support of Afghan Mujahideen, have repeatedly tried to break through the border. Early in the morning of July 13, Afghan mujahideen using the forces of one battalion (200 people) [23] from among the soldiers of the 55th Infantry Division of the Afghan armed forces and Tajik opposition fighters broke into Tajikistan, entering the battle with the 12th outpost of the Russian border troops. By the evening of the day, parts of the Russian 201st motorized rifle division approached the scene of the battle, which drove the Mujahideen from their positions and restored the integrity of the border [23]. By summer, the intensity of hostilities declined.

            And much more ... My wife was then 14 years old. Russian...

            Yes .... Tajiks are not drug addicts and parasites, like Russians are not drunks and loafers ...
      6. +6
        7 July 2012 14: 57
        Shohmansur
        Interestingly, do you really think that we are all drunks and parasites here? Do you really think that it will be better for you if we leave and the Taliban pour in (who could not be crushed by the Americans, who left there without drinking salt?), Then Rakhmon will not fly to hell and the war between the Vovchiki Yurchiks will not seem to you a minor nuisance compared to harsh reality?
        I understand, of course, that it hurts you when your workers come across here - but you must also understand that this question arises only after the next trifle of your .... excessively wise leadership ... and this is a RESPONSE reaction! If you say emotions. then I apologize for the overly excited guys. But if you really think as you wrote ... then think further. that our drunks and parasites created the largest state on the planet, crushed all the greatest conquerors of the world over the past four centuries and reached the greatest heights in science and culture only because ... somewhere out there ... in the distance ... they were controlled by the Tajiks! !!!!!!
        You admit that you got excited, huh?
        1. Shohmansur
          -5
          7 July 2012 16: 57
          Quote: smile

          smile
          Let’s do this, I’ll explain to you my position, by points:
          1.
          Quote: smile
          drunks and parasites
          I live in Russia for a long time, a citizen of the Russian Federation - you know what I see around? A drinking population, children, youth ... drink, and drink, and drink, and drink ... Is this not the nation’s alcoholism? This is alcoholism !!! And patients with this disease are called drunks, and not newcomers are to blame for this. There is no work - for no one, agriculture has died. Who is to blame? Tajiks ?! As for drugs, in my 10-apartment building in two apartments - drug addicts live, hanged himself in one. And this disease ... Didn't you call me a provocateur above? So I didn’t lose their job and future.
          2. You know the story well: Vovchiki - yurchiki. Russia whose interests pursued in that war? Tajikistan? By no means their own interests. I already wrote how the SOVIET (at that time) division defended us (Russians, Ukrainians, Germans, and the same Tajiks) from the Basmachis. No need to do me a favor now, nor the Tajiks, nor Rakhmon. I saw how they defended us, both the police and the military.
          3. As for the relationship: the east is a delicate matter and the situation there is felt like no one else. Russia is consistently betraying its allies! Iran, Syria, Libya is not an ally, and Russia even said something, but no one pays attention to words. Russia allowed NATO into its home a sworn enemy. Russia put up with a kick on ... opera from Azerbaijan. I did not miss anything in a long series of merit?
          4. About the base: I already wrote, and many times. Only a Russian soldier should stand in the SA, there is nothing to do there neither the Yankees, nor anyone else. But in the face of your mother, what do you think, on one order someone will give you something? It is necessary to agree, and not to yell (as it was in Gabala) and how it starts now. Both Rahmon and Putin will go down in history, and states will be forever. And I want my children and grandchildren to freely come to the country that sheltered their exiled ancestors in the distant 30s of the twentieth century and did not allow them to disappear.
          Well, something like this.
          PS As for science and culture. It would not be a shame, but when Khayyam, ibn Sino, Rudaki worked, Russia jumped over the fire. Once again, you are in trouble.
          1. biglow
            +4
            7 July 2012 18: 14
            PS As for science and culture. It would not be a shame, but when Khayyam, ibn Sino, Rudaki worked, Russia jumped over the fire. Once again, you are in trouble.

            the history of Russia is much longer than what is written in history textbooks. According to the chronology adopted in Byzantium and pre-Petrine Russia, it is now 7521 from the creation of the world. But it is not worth attributing the wise men and scientists mentioned above to these cultures. These people of a different culture, like the current Egyptians, have no relation to the pyramids
          2. +3
            7 July 2012 19: 19
            Shohmansur
            The problem with alcoholism is obvious. And to fight this disaster, of course it is necessary. But not everything is so shitty with these as you imagine it. Do not call the whole nation drunk - not only that. that this is an insulting lie, this is one of the myths imposed on us - many Europeans circumvented us per capita consumption of alcohol (considering the Arabs, France, too, should not be so trusted WHO - everyone remembers the scams of this committed organization with various flu) they got around us, but I didn’t hear anything. that they are all drunks there. And about us - with might and main ... do you think it's just that?
            2. Unfortunately - for me this is not a story - I am 41. Firstly, it would be strange if Russia would defend anyone else's interests there. besides their own. This is the norm. secondly - do not forget that we then had a complete mess. staggering and replacing all moral values. It would be strange if this did not affect our army.
            3. The country only began to get out of the foreign policy pit (and not only). There are defeats. but there are losses. It would be strange. if everything would have worked out instantly for us - because the inertia of our fall is like that of a train flying downhill ... we barely slowed down and crawled out on the edge. You did not miss anything negative, but, in a strange way, you forgot absolutely everything positive ... which is also a lot ... miracles, some kind of semiconductor look ...
            4. I also want this, but we just tried to negotiate ... repeatedly ... with a negative result. History shows. that a kind word and a revolver is much more effective. than just a kind word ... always and for everyone ... diplomacy is a delicate thing. however ... something like that
            As for science and culture .... I'm talking about Russia's achievements in science and culture over the past three centuries, especially the last. when Tajikistan fell into the Middle Ages and savagery, and lately, apparently, is considering moving to a branch and jumping over a fire ....
            You do not find. that there is too much strange in your position .... You know - excessive euphoria is harmful, but even worse - defeatism ... And don’t be offended by me, I didn’t want to offend you, although I said enough harshness there below.
            1. 0
              8 July 2012 02: 53
              In the second paragraph, I made a mistake - you need to read - - there are defeats - but there are victories .....
          3. BAT
            +1
            7 July 2012 19: 28
            Shohmansur. As far as I remember, Omar Khayyam was not a Tajik. He was a Persian, according to the modern Iranian. Abu Ali ibn Sina aka Avicenna, too, was never Tajik. While the wild ancestors of the Tajiks rode through the mountains, the Great Prince of Kievan Rus Oleg the Prophetic nailed his shield to the gates of Constantinople as a sign of victory. For those who don’t know, I’ll explain that Constantinople is the capital of the Byzantine Empire, which enslaved the entire Middle East and entire Asia Minor ...
          4. +6
            7 July 2012 19: 37
            Well, even if we take the official history as a basis, it turns out that the Russians jumped over the fire, then took possession of nuclear energy, mastered the Earth's orbit, created a helicopter and television (at least abroad), etc. And so, you, how were "dzhumshuts", and remained, only Temir Leng (who ethnically, if he is related to you, then only by "hilling" local beauties) forced you to plaster, with a whip and a poleaxe, now "drunkard Ivan" makes a little tanga. And fly, you, soon sausage to your ethnic state, even with a Russian passport, even without. I will not quote about the anecdote where the passport is not being beaten. At the expense of drinking by Russians, it's not for you to judge, if so, then I will say that it is better to wave vodka than to jerk off a donkey. Sincerely.
          5. +1
            8 July 2012 13: 03
            Seems to me that you are playing! Isn't it hidden in the farthest corner of the head a crazy thought about a possible revision of borders and the emergence of "Great Tajikistan"? The thought appeared after reading your comments.
      7. Boba
        +3
        7 July 2012 19: 08
        The people would send. Only corrupt bureaucrats with businessmen do not want to. They want to build for half the salary regardless of the Tajik-Uzbek quality. They only have loot in their eyes, and do not care about the rest. Few buildings built by Gastric were crumbling and cracking? I myself saw how the builders flew in when the customer shut in all the drywall installed by the Uzbeks to remove. Hoping for a freebie. And the level of gastric is lower than the plinth, they only know how to dig and pull. And even then under surveillance. Migrant workers are a shame of Russia imposed by unscrupulous bureaucrats and business. We have enough of our unemployed.

        "Russia is losing, rapidly losing its position in the world."

        Lost it. With a click of Yeltsin. Now restores. 080808 it showed Georgia. Do you want to be shown to you?
      8. +4
        7 July 2012 19: 45
        Of course, it is not profitable for commerce to buy a kambayn and automatic gavnosos when Tajiks are cheaper than handles. Do not scare us with the open Tajik border, it is already full of holes, but sooner or later we’ll close our border and gobble up our opium all the way.
      9. mihos ve
        -1
        8 July 2012 18: 43
        And no one will work inappropriately - nanorobots from Skolkovo will work. And everyone will be shoved by nanohobbots, also from there. And the rest of the population will be calm bukhari and drunks. And the whole, BL +, Russia will be worried about the problem of the fucking highlander, that he wanted more money than a nanohobot in his mouth. Sorry, Gentlemen for the mate, but it's cheaper to recreate the window here than to get lost "inside the gan-don".
    2. NICK
      +2
      7 July 2012 20: 36
      Ravshans and Dzhumshuts will rush to us (such as refugee0
  3. +4
    7 July 2012 07: 39
    duck, they never differed in mind ..........
  4. oper66
    +17
    7 July 2012 07: 39
    Or maybe these bays will be enough to support and let go of their own voyages — stop supplying hydrocarbons and products — strengthen the border for the remaining period from Tajiks and other Uzbeks who welcome gringos — let them do what they want — the cat abandoned the kittens — well, guest workers all without exception - stop messing with them am
    1. +5
      7 July 2012 07: 53
      So, as the fried pecks, they will come running, they will start excuses, sculpt, they say we can’t do it on our own, because there are no seas and oceans, there was nowhere to learn.
    2. 0
      7 July 2012 08: 00
      A holy place does not happen empty .. then Americans will appear and begin to supply them with bucks .. we will be in flight, but this is not good ..
      1. +1
        7 July 2012 15: 24
        altman
        Yes, and to hell with them, with the Americans, but they can not resist the Talibanization of the country. They could not resist this in any captured country, could not save a single ally, and maybe this mess was their goal. But they don’t scatter bucks. Let’s leave - we’ll get a bloody bacchanalia there, Rakhmon with his eight thousandth partisan army will be swept away like a paper by a hurricane, a springboard for the advancement of radicals and hundreds of thousands of refugees to us ... You can’t leave!
    3. +4
      7 July 2012 10: 36
      They will not do this, officials from migrant workers receive very substantial money, again, our government is formidable in words only, in fact, so far there have been no actions.
    4. Starksa
      +1
      8 July 2012 13: 19
      and introduce a visa regime
  5. +6
    7 July 2012 08: 53
    Old Russian proverb: On a cunning ass — there is horseradish with a screw. A feather for him to balance.
  6. +16
    7 July 2012 09: 23
    All these situations from the fact that Russia still hopes and believes in good-neighborly and partnership relations with most republics of the USSR, this is in principle understandable and good.
    Here are just these same republics as those last prostitutes behave.
    Adopt a law on emigration, for the violation of which will be punished in the form of work, for example, within a year. And send all these emigrants to the rise of the Far East. Or even block the border for a year, and ban the entry of emigrants to Russia. Six months later, the same Tajikistan will agree to normal negotiations with Russia, and it will make its own people do it.
    As for the labor force and the question of who will work, I can say one thing. Ours will work, but we ourselves do not let our fellow citizens work by attracting such a workforce. Most of the "huckster leaders" hire emigrants because they need to pay less, and ours will not go to work for that kind of money.
    There are a lot of examples when in our city they took Tajik janitors, and so what? They all dispersed. Ours are not particularly eager to work for 12 tr, the Tajiks were paid about 8-10 tr. so they didn’t want to do anything at all.
    For example, the janitor’s salary in my city is 8t.r., this is because he removes his plot of land, a plot of land is calculated by area, and is approximately equal to the adjacent territory of the 6 driveway. It would seem a little. But the janitors at least get 12 tr, as they take one more part at a time. They would have taken more, but the law does not allow. At the same time, cleaning all of these areas is not so scary and hard work, provided that initially these areas are in good condition.
    I know all this from personal experience. And I do not disdain any work. Of course, this was too long, but the situation has not changed in this regard at all. 12 tr not too much money, I understand that. But this is MONEY. Don’t twist it., Well, I almost forgot here and I still have to work.
    Likewise, many of my friends, the third circle, so to speak, want to get at least 20 tr, with nothing to do. And when you ask them, do you have any kind of education? Answer: 8 classes of high school, without schools, technical schools and even more so universities.
    I’m not saying that education directly plays a dominant role, because I myself have only complete secondary education, but .......... I got up quite well with my education, because my head is boiling. But those here, they don’t know how to do anything, do not want and do not want to, and give them a highly paid job on a silver platter. And there are so many such people.
    In addition, it is not necessary to say that you do not have such a familiar people. Yes, you just have to look. I have such people begin to meet already in the third circle of acquaintances, I will explain how it is. The first circle, these are my best friends, the second circle, these are the friends of my friends, well, the third circle is already clear. There are no such people in my closest circles, for it is often not pleasant to even communicate with such people.
    As a rule, all problems lie on the surface, they only need to be carefully considered.
    1. +1
      7 July 2012 09: 38
      Oh well said!
      Do you have only secondary education?
      1. +4
        7 July 2012 09: 52
        Education is definitely secondary, at least completed. And so there is an incomplete technical school of computer science and computer engineering, plus an unfinished bauman
  7. +6
    7 July 2012 09: 32
    I am in favor of going with all the "brothers" to settlements in world prices. We live with the Baltic states and on a drum that they squeak there.
    And the border with Kazakhstan needs to be fixed !!!
  8. Kaa
    +10
    7 July 2012 09: 58
    For Rakhmon, an aneclot with a half past one hour is not suitable. For him, the comparison with "history hours" is more suitable - without 1 minute to midnight. Bearded uncles with a pistol will come to him from across the river and insert him like Gaddafi. But about ordinary Tajiks, I would not particularly discuss. What does the downtrodden people have to do with them? They will once again be told that Russia is to blame for their troubles. Have you seen yesterday the statements of a couple of defective people on the branch with Ukraine? Whatever they were given from the argumentation, even readers with the same Ukrainian flags - in response, one zombie-wall about the infringement of "Mova". Brains washed, especially young people, outside Russia is great. If in Russia only the communists were to blame, then on the outskirts - also the Russians. So there is nothing to take offense at the flawed people, it is necessary to treat.
    1. Odious
      +5
      7 July 2012 12: 08
      Kaa
      Have you seen yesterday the statements of a couple of defective people on the branch with Ukraine? Whatever they were given from the argumentation, even readers with the same Ukrainian flags - in response, one zombie-wall about the infringement of "Mova". Brains washed, especially young people, outside Russia is great.

      Perhaps you can’t say better. +
      1. +5
        7 July 2012 12: 23
        Unfortunately, the brainwashed not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia. We also have enough brainwashed people. And washed so much that it feels like there is no brain left.
        You bring the obvious facts, they say that this is fantastic and this cannot be, because it cannot be, and cannot be, because it contradicts their opinion. These vicious circles are quite common.
        1. +1
          7 July 2012 15: 27
          korvin1976
          Well, yes, if, figuratively speaking, you look at the swamp, so there really is in their head - tabula race!
  9. +2
    7 July 2012 11: 51
    I wonder what the "major military exercises of Tajikistan" are? Two tanks and 60 soldiers, probably. laughing .
    1. Kaa
      +5
      7 July 2012 12: 48
      This is how a humorist used to say: "Estonia borrowed a tank from Lithuania to conduct military exercises."
      1. +2
        7 July 2012 14: 58
        it really was. teachings, and his tanks are dumb. Well, so that the soldiers knew how the tank looks
      2. +3
        7 July 2012 15: 28
        Kaa
        You just do not laugh, but the story about the tank is absolutely true!
        1. Kaa
          +2
          7 July 2012 16: 39
          smile Then ... then I cried, especially when you consider how some civilians on a nearby branch dedicated to the Baltic states lost their temper fool
          1. +1
            7 July 2012 18: 47
            Kaa
            I also pretty much inherited there ... in view of my special love for the Baltic states ... my parents stayed there .... and I go there often a week later ....
            1. Kaa
              +3
              7 July 2012 20: 12
              smile They were finished, but I have 3/4 relatives in Russia. Foreign countries
  10. Nechai
    0
    7 July 2012 15: 32
    Quote: denisey
    All gastriks over the hill

    The official US state army will leave Afghanistan. But those who really rule both the USA and the World will not leave from there, for no reason. They will actively expand their positions on PMC bayonets. In every possible way kindling fire of various conflicts. Including significantly nourishing and developing Islamic radical groups. Setting before them the task of destabilizing life in Middle Asia and Russia.
    What prevents Russia from creating such PMCs, "working" for the interests of both Russia and the population of the Middle Asian Republics ?! Toughly solving emerging problems, regardless of territorial affiliation. If the puppeteers believe that they have an exclusive for such methods, then the guys are very wrong.
    The "Window" complex WAS the only one. Now no longer. Analogues have been built and put into operation in the North Caucasus and Sikhote-Alin. Naturally created taking into account the exploitation of "Windows", on a modern basis and in full originally conceived "package". It seems that there was information about the beginning of construction in Altai. Now the gantry "detection" of ANY satellite has ALREADY been ensured after it has passed a 0,5-0,25 orbital revolution. So "Window", while remaining the progenitor of one of the components of modern optoelectronic anti-satellite systems, is gradually losing its exclusiveness. There is not any Russian deceit in this. It is simply that the system is being completed to the original idea. Stopped gorby end ebn at the request of the State Department. Only one innovation has been made - the "western" complex has already been built on the territory of Russia in the Caucasus, and how its creation was originally projected in the Crimea. That's all.
  11. +4
    7 July 2012 19: 46
    It is not surprising that "Shokhmansur" has a Russian passport. After they drove out the surviving Slavs, they themselves pulled here. There were no specialists left in production, and there were no production specialists either. My friend's sister with her husband and two children barely managed to escape. She worked in a weaving production, her husband is a builder. Ukrainians themselves. One thing beats: every gopher considers himself an agronomist. And their roots are almost from Adam, and everything in the world was invented by their nation. Maybe the Ravshans and plaster well, but got They behave more insolently every day. In the Moscow region there are more of them than at home. Half of them do not work, stagger uselessly, steal, drink no less than Russians. If they all go home, they will only cry cunningly ... e. FMS officials and businessmen from the slave trade. am
    1. +1
      7 July 2012 19: 54
      The passport will not help, Chupacabra, he is smarter, he knows that he lives at the promised home, for which he respects him.
  12. Oleg Rosskiyy
    0
    7 July 2012 21: 27
    Our leadership needs to prevent the Americans from leaving Afghanistan with all their imaginable and inconceivable efforts, as they, in turn, have charged our limited contingent and closed the transit through our territory so that they get bogged down there in full.
  13. +4
    7 July 2012 21: 42
    The State Department’s plan for negotiations on the Ulyanovsk transit of military cargo became clear - bargaining in negotiations with Pakistan, learning about the possibility of an alternative, Islamobad agreed to NATO conditions, this is the eastern bazaar. The trump card in the negotiations from Islamobad was the corpses of military and civilians liquidated by mistake (whose families will not get a cent). But Rakhmonov simply wanted to bargain with the Russian Federation, again taking into account the Ulyanovsk transit. The beks will receive money in Islamobad, and Rakhmonov ....
  14. +5
    7 July 2012 22: 37
    I read, and in fact the article, I don’t want to give comments anymore! When will we already learn not to move from a person to a nation as a whole!

    He who has forgotten history has no future!

    Among the Heroes of the Soviet Union are 8182 Russians, 2072 Ukrainians, 311 Belarusians, 161 Tatars, 108 Jews, 96 Kazakhs, 91 Georgians, 90 Armenians, 69 Uzbeks, 61 Mordvin, 44 Xumen, 43 Xenta, Azerbaijani 39 Turkmens, 32 Lithuanians, 18 Tajiks, 18 Latvians, 15 Kyrgyz, 14 Komi, 13 Udmurts, 12 Estonians, 10 Karelians, 10 Kalmyks, 9 Abysses, 9 Yazmaks
    1. +2
      8 July 2012 01: 20
      The first sober voice in this drunken stupor ... +
  15. mars6791
    +2
    8 July 2012 10: 40
    Ancient Rome is a powerful military force and a power of thought. Some of the sayings are worth: "Divide and conquer." Split the USSR and rule as much as you want over it, the "fragments" themselves will gnaw through. Unfortunately, the republics are ruled by some hucksters and thieves (and in Russia first of all). History moves in a spiral. Remember the split of Ancient Russia before the invasion of Genghis Khan, something similar is observed now. Accept it as it is and nothing more.
    1. +2
      8 July 2012 12: 30
      You can consciously resist, information technology has since advanced ...
  16. andrey903
    +1
    8 July 2012 14: 48
    Rakhmonych in the rectum lost a container with hepherd, so he is weird. Shovel in my teeth and to my country house, otherwise I lost my sense of reality
  17. ksg111ban
    +1
    8 July 2012 20: 59
    You can’t rely on anyone, they will sell them in difficult times.

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