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Five-year sanctions - neither efficiency, nor quality

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Nothing personal, just PR


Officially, the annexation of Crimea is considered the main reason for the outbreak of the war of sanctions with Russia. But when almost exactly the same measures are applied in relation to the Skripals case or support of the Iranian atomic program, it becomes clear that the matter is still not in the Crimean spring.


Moreover, the European Union does not seem to be very confused by the prospect of the notorious energy dependence on Russia. Few people care about what Russia maintains, moreover, it is gradually strengthening its economic position in the third world, starting with Iran and ending with Latin America. And even our “turn to the East” with the possibility of turning Russia into one of the main players in intercontinental transit is unlikely to raise any serious concerns from the West.



Apparently, sanctions cannot even be seen as an instrument of long-term economic pressure on a potential competitor. Indeed, for example, China, although it had Hong Kong on its own head, was declared a trade war long before the current protests.

Often it seems that in an environment where lovers of liberal values ​​rule, it becomes simply fashionable to sculpt the "image of the enemy" from anyone who is in no hurry to accept them. And it doesn’t matter if it is China, Iran, or the equally unshakable Russian Federation in political terms.

As a result, a whole series of attacks on the most important sectors of the economy, on state banks, and even on personalities, did not give almost anything. Yes, someone spoiled a lot of blood, somewhere the business is completely broken, but in general the results are scanty.

Yes, adapting to sanctions is not easy at all, but for a number of industries it was they who became the incentive not only for a serious revision of priorities, but also for building much more sustainable business models. Entire sectors of the real economy, which overnight got rid of competitors, received an unexpected chance to gain a foothold in their own market, as well as promote their products to places where no one cares about sanctions.

In this sense, there is a special discussion about the agricultural sector, although its elected representatives almost exclusively benefited from the response. And it is from the real economy that one can hear confessions today, such as: “if there were no sanctions, they had to be invented.” Many are not seriously afraid of the lifting of sanctions and the food embargo.

At the same time, most Western politicians, among those who are not inclined to constructive dialogue, continue to keep the mark, alternately tightening or softening anti-Russian rhetoric. Ordinary PR, so far triggered, but requiring regular heating.

Five-year sanctions - neither efficiency, nor quality


Never say forever


It was in Soviet times that the five-year plan of efficiency and quality was to be such not only on paper, but also in reality. It turned out you yourself know how - after such a five-year period, a great power has slipped into final stagnation. With Western sanctions it turns out about the same.

Five years later, the Russian economy, which, according to the last two American presidents, had long been “torn to shreds,” continues to function. Not too dynamic, but mostly uninterrupted. Surprisingly, it is precisely those sensitive areas where the most powerful blows seem to have been the most stable.



And if the stable state of public finances can somehow be justified by an extremely tight monetary policy and limiting the growth of household incomes, then what is the secret to the well-being of the banking sector. Even if very relative well-being?

Yes, much in this area also rests on state support - the largest credit organizations in Russia have a very significant share of state capital. But after all, they have to work mainly with private business structures and ordinary citizens.

In fact, all measures taken against Russia were initially temporary. Either until the return of Crimea to Ukraine, or until the implementation of the Minsk Agreements, although the West continued and continues to keep Crimea, like nevermind in your pocket. What obligations Moscow must assume for the same Donbass or the Skripals family is practically impossible to understand. And accordingly, what “get the deadlines”, too.

No signs that anyone has moved towards the lifting of sanctions are visible even on the horizon. Most likely, all this is for a long time, if not forever. Today on the agenda, it seems, is another tightening of US sanctions. And this is an occasion to recall what made us happy over the past five years and what it currently turns into.



So, it all began in March 2014 of the year with a package of sanctions that personally concerned individuals and companies. Then restrictions were introduced in relation to entire sectors of the Russian economy.

Over the next two years and to date, sanctions have been tightened, spreading to an increasing number of companies and individuals, and have also been extended more than once. All sorts of restrictions and exemptions took place, but they did not carefully advertise on both sides. Not bad PR in sanctions and counter-sanctions, it seems, both of them.

Our answer to the gentleman


The Russian "otvetka" in the form of a food embargo did not slow to wait. The list of products that fell under the ban immediately included meat and dairy products, fish, vegetables, fruits and nuts imported from the EU, USA, Australia, Canada, Norway and others.

However, the rapid breakthrough of the agricultural sector in the end did not work. Indeed, instead of powerful additional financial support, he was forced to confine himself to removing not the most dangerous competitors. Much of what was bought in Europe cannot be produced in Russia at all, and a replacement was immediately found in Asia and Latin America - and a replacement, as a rule, is not of such quality, although cheaper.



In parallel, re-export and smuggling flourished. Not always high-quality, and not always cheap “sanction” began to come from anywhere, right up to a union Belarus. Well, natural products began to be squeezed out by various surrogates. Moreover, the worst part is that those sectors that competed well with foreigners without an embargo turned out to be affected in Russia.

For example, palm oil poured into the dairy industry. Winemakers were literally filled with poor raw materials, and brewers with hops and malt, which are suitable only for outright fakes.

Our answer in the financial sector turned out to be somewhat more intelligible, where the course on de-dollarization was immediately taken. Quite expectedly, this prompted the US Federal Reserve to lobby for sanctions against Russia's public debt. Despite this, our sovereign Eurobonds today, as before the sanctions, are traded with deviations within the 170-250 basis points from the reference value.

With ruble bonds, when inflation is clamped to the limit, the situation also remains quite stable. Almost a third of them are in the hands of investors after, because of the high profitability, they were very actively bought. Shares of leading Russian banks, primarily Sberbank, look quite good on the markets both domestically and abroad.

Is silence further?


And yet it’s not worth it to deceive yourself. For five years, Russia has not just been pushed aside G-7, which once seemed to have become G-8 for good, it was essentially driven to the side of the global financial system. Russia is virtually deprived of the opportunity to borrow abroad - even Chinese banks do not violate the sanctions regime.

However, this situation is rather stalemate than matte. It does not lead to a win, but it remains virtually a win-win. It should be considered good that international banks that remain on the Russian market manage not only to maintain, but to gradually increase the share of Russian assets in their portfolios.



Our banks were torn from the “Western feeder” with cheap and long money, but in return they went on unprecedentedly large purchases of Eurobonds in hard currency. The five banks Sberbank, VTB, Gazprombank, Russian Agricultural Bank and Vnesheconombank (VEB) forked out for this immediately at 35 billion dollars. And even after that, at least someone from the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank will say something more about the deficit of available funds in the country and about the problems with the allocation of funds from the National Welfare Fund.

Interestingly, in parallel with the repayment of old foreign debts, our state lenders are also actively engaged in the de-dollarization of loans. Now ruble debts in Russia make up at least two-thirds of the total debt burden, which indirectly provides additional stability to the national currency. For this, the organizers of sanctions should generally say a special thank you.

After five years of sanctions, our banks continue to be threatened by almost any sanction risks. And concerning not only Russia, but also the same Iran or Venezuela. It cannot be ruled out, for example, the same blocking measures that American congressmen continue to discuss. Moreover, the majority of politicians and legislators are still supporters of continuing the policy of sanctions against Russia.

Nevertheless, more recently, the “war of sanctions” between Russia and the West was assessed by most experts as potentially endless. But now, not only individual Western politicians, but even US authorities regularly speak about the possibility of making some cardinal decisions in the foreseeable future. According to media reports, we are talking about both the abolition and limitation of the validity of certain personal or sectoral sanctions.

However, for now - in the near future, we are waiting for another batch of “scarecrows” relating to our government securities. This measure, fastened to the long-suffering Skripal family, once again reduces their reliability, and also once again leads to an increase in their profitability. Although this yield still almost does not lead to a significant increase in demand.

One thing is safe to say - the taboo that is about to be imposed on new purchases of Russian government bonds will certainly work. But since it is addressed to American investors, it will primarily concern them. Just one basket in which you can lay investment eggs, they will have less. And even with further sanctions, it is unlikely that anyone seriously hopes to cause a comprehensive financial crisis in today's Russia.
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  1. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 23 August 2019 05: 15
    +29
    And even with further sanctions, it is unlikely that anyone seriously hopes to cause a comprehensive financial crisis in today's Russia.
    And the government we have for what? To spite the enemies, the crisis sculpts from scratch, despite financial pillows.
    For some reason, I believe the picture on the price change by 88% is much more than inflation reports 4% per year. The wallet tells you.
    1. Osmodey
      Osmodey 23 August 2019 05: 45
      +21
      The wallet doesn’t lie (unfortunately, it’s so beautiful on paper 4%
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 23 August 2019 09: 32
        +8
        what is the secret to the well-being of the banking sector

        Boldly. A crisis in the banking system is called prosperity! And meanwhile, every year the Central Bank reorganizes dozens of Russian banks, spending on this astronomical state money, which amounts to trillions. And if this were not the case, then many investors would be left without money, like many equity holders without apartments.

        And let after that at least someone from the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank say something else about the deficit of available funds in the country

        In Russia, an acute shortage of liquidity (lack of money) has long been due to curdromics. Money, that is, in capsules, but they are not allowed into the real sector. And the money that spins in the economy is very expensive, due to the high%.

        From the side, this artificially ugly situation looks like this: a person who earns decent money is always malnourished due to the fact that he puts all the money into a small pill.
        (At the same time, he gives the egg to a ridiculous percentage to his enemy, who is fat from grubs.)
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 23 August 2019 13: 07
          -11

          Taught many so many times:
          "Don't tease Mishutka -
          Not an hour is coming,
          Oh, get angry in earnest! "
        2. GAF
          GAF 23 August 2019 18: 02
          -2
          Quote: Stas157
          From the side, this artificially ugly situation looks like this: a person who earns decent money is always malnourished due to the fact that he puts all the money into a small pill

          How can you call such a person - radish. Go and keep the family hungry on the same turnip, despite the abundance of food on the shelves.
        3. nickname7
          nickname7 27 August 2019 14: 38
          0
          a person earning decent money is always malnourished because he puts all his money into a small pill.

          This is called the colonial policy pursued by the government.
      2. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 23 August 2019 19: 51
        +1
        And what! As the hero of Schwartz said in "Red Heat" - "Capitalism"!
    2. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 23 August 2019 05: 59
      +38
      With regards to the wallets, the sleeping fat bear in the picture immediately caused me to associate with the edrom, which could hear any noise, both external and local. In case of need, he will run through his own forest, with a roar, of sanction, get into a position, ripping off its inhabitants and sleep on.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 August 2019 07: 06
        +11
        Quote: DEPHIHTO
        the sleeping fat bear in the picture immediately caused me to associate with an edrom, which is over the ear

        Here for this I will subscribe to 100% and even more.
        We WILL survive, not the first time, but certainly not thanks, but in spite of!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 23 August 2019 07: 17
          +23
          not the first time
          Yes there wasn’t neverso that the top of the country prayed fervently to foreign countries, calling them partners, and their people, not counting people.
          1. My address
            My address 23 August 2019 07: 39
            +18
            I welcome you, dear Gardamir!
            And what kind of sanctions can we talk about if our economy is teleporting around 1 - 2% growth, with world 3%, while out of 14 people from the top management of the Ministry of Economic Development have only one deputy minister Nazarov related to the real economy (former miner), and the rest banker lawyers. And only that Rosstat subordinated the Ministry of Economic Development in the year 2017 has fundamentally changed. What time! Amid this sanction, this is a trifle.
            As N. Bonaparte used to say, the greatest immorality is to take on a business that you cannot do.
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 23 August 2019 07: 50
              -8
              Quote: My address
              And what kind of sanctions can we talk about if our economy is teleporting about 1 - 2% growth, with world 3%, while out of 14 people from the leadership of the Ministry of Economic Development, only one deputy minister Nazarov was related to the real economy (former miner), and the rest are lawyers -bankers

              But in the USA, Europe, Kitpe, etc. (where the economy grows by 3% or more), how many miners go to ministers?)
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 23 August 2019 07: 53
              -3
              Quote: My address
              As N. Bonaparte used to say, the greatest immorality is to take on a business that you cannot do.

              Is he to himself? laughing
            3. Svarog
              Svarog 23 August 2019 08: 47
              +14
              Quote: My address
              As N. Bonaparte used to say, the greatest immorality is to take on a business that you cannot do.

              I absolutely agree, I always said, our main sanction is our government. Putin's personnel policy does not stand up to criticism. What a pop, such a parish.
              1. Beringovsky
                Beringovsky 23 August 2019 10: 01
                +18
                What is Putin’s policy ... personnel laughing
                Once to him, he is busy. In Putin’s News, three or four stories a day are filmed on federal channels.
                Putin with his children, Putin dives, Putin hears Minister Skvortsov, Putin takes care of .... well, etc. etc. Leave behind Putin, Medvedev rules everything and there's nothing to be done crying . Boris 55 will now explain this to everyone, yes ...
          2. AUL
            AUL 23 August 2019 07: 44
            +13
            Peppy little article. All is well, beautiful marquise!
          3. rocket757
            rocket757 23 August 2019 07: 59
            +6
            Quote: Gardamir
            Yes, it never happened before that the top of the country prayed fervently to foreign countries, calling them partners, and their people, not counting people.

            If about the history of the Russian state in general, then everything happened.
            If about the Land of Soviets, then this is a separate song! It only interrupted not very well, the fault was precisely on the top leaders of the country .... traitors.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 23 August 2019 12: 04
              -1
              Quote: rocket757
              If about the Land of Soviets, then this is a separate song! It only interrupted not very well, the fault was precisely on the top leaders of the country .... traitors.

              Are you sure that the USSR collapsed forever?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 August 2019 12: 11
                +3
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: rocket757
                If about the Land of Soviets, then this is a separate song! It only interrupted not very well, the fault was precisely on the top leaders of the country .... traitors.

                Are you sure that the USSR collapsed forever?

                So the song is INTERRUPTED, not finished! She can always be picked up, continued and written in NEW CUPLETS!
              2. My doctor
                My doctor 24 August 2019 21: 35
                0
                Quote: NEXUS
                Are you sure that the USSR collapsed forever?

                The weakening of Russia after the revolution allowed the centrifugal aspirations of the outskirts to manifest itself. National unrest in Azerbaijan, Georgia, Ukraine, etc. The Russian Empire split along the borders so it was necessary to glue parts of the USSR.
          4. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 23 August 2019 19: 54
            -2
            Yes, you, a young man, did not attend school. I am truly sorry for you.
          5. nickname7
            nickname7 27 August 2019 14: 40
            0
            so that the top of the country prayed fervently abroad

            They have a homeland abroad, therefore they pray.
        2. bandabas
          bandabas 23 August 2019 12: 23
          +3
          Actually, I would rather LIVE NORMALLY. How many generations will survive "eating macaroons"?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 August 2019 12: 30
            +2
            Quote: bandabas
            Actually, I would rather LIVE NORMALLY. How many generations will survive "eating macaroons"?

            Makaroshka, for example, in the Navy, is FOREVER! But at the expense of normal, it depends on all of us, which together we can’t get together.
          2. Victor N
            Victor N 23 August 2019 14: 43
            -4
            And no one bothers to "live normally". Everything depends only on me, and the yacht is unnecessary for me. Now they are embarrassed to admit that "they eat only macaroshki" - this is like an admission of their own wretchedness and worthlessness. And I don’t believe that there are such - these are inventions of Russia's ill-wishers.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 23 August 2019 18: 25
              0
              Quote: Victor N
              And no one bothers to "live normally". It all depends only on me

              Oh, not everything now depends on each of us, personally! The part "everything depends" was delegated by us to the STATE and "servants of the people" were elected who would do it so that everything would be fine with the delegated !!! You can say that everything is fine there, everything is about garlic ???
              1. Victor N
                Victor N 24 August 2019 14: 00
                0
                No "servants of the people" are spelled out in the Constitution, but I do not need servants, I will provide for myself. And those who are incapable should not demand and wait, but learn to beg. This is humiliating for a normal person, but ...
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 24 August 2019 14: 42
                  -2
                  Himself .... maybe somewhere at the end of the world, where nobody and nothing.
                  The working people should not ask anything from anyone, the STATE is what they are. Everyone has their own responsibilities and they should be fulfilled as expected, and not as someone wants.
                  1. Squelcher
                    Squelcher 28 August 2019 12: 38
                    0
                    But should their workers fulfill? Everything is baked as it was in the USSR, it was good to study, but the majority received a diploma and not knowledge, a turner with a salary of 300 rubles does not aspire to become an engineer with a salary of 140 but drink beer and vodka yes, like I point 3 details like a robot machine and I stupidly do not need anything nor knowledge, let other brains strain :)
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 12: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: Squelcher
                      most received a diploma and not knowledge,

                      Nonsense is complete. I dreamed about graduation for another fifteen years.
                      Quote: Squelcher
                      details like a robot machine

                      You would first work as a turner, and then you would write.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 August 2019 13: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Squelcher
                        most received a diploma and not knowledge, a turner with a salary of 300 r does not seek to become an engineer with a salary of 140 but drink

                        Just like then he lived / served!
                        Not every turner "sharpened" a lot of money, and not every engineer was sitting on a bare frame, counting flies on the ceiling! It was different!
                        It wasn’t sweet for the loafers then, if they didn’t manage to sit, not dusty, to sit down !!! Then it was not sweet already around ... but there was a party, trade union and complaint was where.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 13: 28
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Turner not every big money "sharpened"

                        One day the shop manager told us:
                        He worked at one enterprise, where the turners were paid piece-rate. And one appeared there, I don't know how to call him, so he made three norms per shift and got more director. He was indignant: "What is it?"
                        In general, an emulsion appeared in this turner. Yeah. This emulsion was whistled, given to the laboratory, and there they could not determine what kind of garbage it was. According to the results, the chief laboratory assistant was fired ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 August 2019 13: 38
                        0
                        I saw everything, and now I have to listen to all kinds of fairy tales!
                        On the tire, KGS collectors earned steeper than in the north!
                        But these collectors !!! Two "foreheads", each under two meters in height and the weight of the hoo! In the canteen, we took triple portions! I saw once their product fell on an electric car !!! kirdyk full and right away!
                        Those. was, some navels tore and earned a lot !!! but not everyone could do that.
                        And so, in order to earn with intelligence and skill, like a turner with a "magic" emulsion, it is fraught, because human envy has no limits!
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 13: 42
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        you have to listen to fairy tales!

                        Actually, they didn’t catch him on bullshit .. request
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 August 2019 13: 45
                        0
                        Do you believe in everything that they write and say now?
                        Well, I generally reasoned, without going into specifics.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 13: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Do you believe in everything that they write and say now?

                        I almost don't believe anyone. But still you have to trust someone.
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 August 2019 13: 55
                        0
                        Do not believe anyone or anything, sadly. We include experience, knowledge and common sense .... there is also reliable!
                      8. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 13: 55
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        I saw everything, and now I have to listen to all kinds of fairy tales!

                        By the way, would you like to tell how my friend sent everyone nafig and quit the defense enterprise?
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 28 August 2019 13: 57
                        0
                        Many have a story to tell! I also have a cautionary and "funny" story.
                      10. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 14: 16
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Many have something to tell!

                        Let me just tell you.
                        Have a friend. Electrician. They, as usual, were "optimized".
                        Yeah, he was an electrician on duty in one shop, and then he became two.
                        That is, go to the next workshop, and go to your place for spare parts.
                        And walk to the next workshop - half an hour.
                        Well, here ... A telfer flew (there should be two according to plan)
                        They yell at him: "Fix it faster!"
                        The master climbs in, yells: "Moscow is calling you!"
                        "What's wrong?"
                        - Don’t fix it in 15 minutes, we’re both tail and mane ...
                        Climbing the hoist again.
                        From below the head of the shop is already yelling: "Come down, Moscow is calling!"
                        Picks up the phone:
                        "Eeeh, tyr pyr, because of you right now, all the airfields will rise, Sheremetyevo, Domodedovo ... Come on fix it!"
                        In general, he sent everyone, and now he is sitting in the guard wiping his pants.
                      11. Squelcher
                        Squelcher 28 August 2019 13: 57
                        0
                        I was not impressed by the turning business at school, although it worked out, the turner was subordinate to himself, when they began to work with the bourgeois, the first thing they did was cut the turner, "a ship's mechanic should be able to sharpen himself and that's right," and you try to calculate man-hours, Technological maps of repairs and the number of spare parts at least for MRSKi to do?
            2. bandabas
              bandabas 25 August 2019 12: 11
              -2
              Victor. I understand you are satisfied with the "butter in macaroshki" additive. laughing
            3. bandabas
              bandabas 25 August 2019 13: 07
              -1
              That is, the "butter" is not up to the yacht? Only worthlessness depends on you.
              1. bandabas
                bandabas 25 August 2019 13: 43
                -1
                Suck on, Vikrtor. Good luck in your plebeian craft.
                1. Victor N
                  Victor N 26 August 2019 14: 33
                  +1
                  Hurray! Draw conclusions for yourself - and do not admit to anyone.
        3. Proxima
          Proxima 23 August 2019 14: 26
          0
          Sanctions, they are only more or less effective when they are enforced by all parties. A striking example is South Africa. The apartheid system then did not suit anyone, neither the country of the Socialist Camp, nor the country of the West (I generally am silent about the countries of the Third World). And what, then, did the sanctions hurt South Africa?
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 07: 46
      +8
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And for some reason I believe a lot more about the 88% price change picture

      By the way, the picture shows a decrease in purchasing power of 11% for 5 years. Nonsense, prod.korzina almost doubled in price.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 August 2019 08: 50
        +8
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Nonsense, prod.korzina almost doubled in price.

        Actually, more .. 2 times, everything went up when the dollar doubled in price, and you need to add inflation to it, over 5 years, 40% percent, and it turns out that almost three times, moreover, that RFP is at the same level. Only those who received income in dollars do not complain .. and judging by some comments on VO, there are quite a few wassat
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 August 2019 10: 28
          -12
          Quote: Svarog
          2 times all has risen in price

          Price meter, Moscow http://tsenomer.ru/produkti/myaso/

          Meat 01.2014 --- 450 rub / kg
          Meat 07.2019 ---- 428 r / kg

          Milk 01.2014 ----- 50 rub
          milk 07.2019 ----- 69 r

          Consumer basket on Pyaterochka 01.2014 -5100ru,
          -------------------------------------------------- ------- 07.2019-6400 rub
          20% growth

          2014 average pension --- 10 rubles
          ---------------------- 2019 ------- 14 900 rub http://fincan.ru/articles/50_minimalynaja-pensija-v-rossii-po-godam-i-srednyaja/

          27% growth
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 23 August 2019 10: 38
            +5
            Quote: Olgovich
            Price meter, Moscow http://tsenomer.ru/produkti/myaso/

            You took the products, and those that we ourselves produce. And you look wider than cars, office equipment, housing and communal services, services ..
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 August 2019 11: 45
              -6
              Quote: Svarog
              You took the products, and those that we ourselves produce. .

              Not I took, but statistics. As you can see, not everything doubled twice, while incomes rose.
              Quote: Svarog
              And you look wider than cars, office equipment, housing and communal services, services ..

              Car: Granta 2014 --- 320 tr
              ................ Granta 2019 --380 tr
              Growth already .... 15%
          2. Galleon
            Galleon 23 August 2019 11: 12
            +6
            Quote: Olgovich
            Meat 01.2014 --- 450 rub / kg
            Meat 07.2019 ---- 428 r / kg

            It's a lie. Beef was 5 years ago 320-350 rubles, now it’s approaching 500. Chicken was about 180 rubles / kg, now it’s approaching 300.
            This price meter is the same biased birdhouse, as already Rosstat.
            1. brat07
              brat07 23 August 2019 14: 13
              +7
              It's a lie. Beef was 5 years ago 320-350 rubles, now it’s approaching 500. Chicken was about 180 rubles / kg, now it’s approaching 300.

              This is not a lie. It all depends on which region you live in.
              As for the prices for chicken, this is generally prohibitive for our region (we have our own poultry farm).
              Steam (good, not bone and fat) pork (on the market) - 300-350r / kg.
              By the way, bargaining in the market is appropriate. We buy milk from farmers as in terms of fat content and quality, an order of magnitude better than the store.
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 23 August 2019 15: 03
                +1
                Quote: brat07
                This is not a lie. It all depends on which region you live in.

                Did you carefully read the text I objected to?
                Quote: Olgovich
                Price meter, Moscow http://tsenomer.ru/produkti/myaso/

                Meat 01.2014 --- 450 rub / kg
                Meat 07.2019 ---- 428 r / kg

                In Moscow, my friend. And that is a lie.
                In Rybinsk there’s also its own poultry farm, but I won’t say that prices from Moscow are very different.
            2. cradle
              cradle 24 August 2019 02: 49
              +4
              I check it myself ... patamusha for work I ride around the RF quite often ... Normally there are prices. Again, it also depends heavily on the store where to get it and the manufacturer. The difference (for example, in Yakutsk) is 1,5 times. For example, tomatoes in July in Yakutsk from 110 r / kg to 580 r / kg. Feel the difference?
            3. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 22: 30
              +3
              Where is such a wonderful kura. 300 each? From households? According to Peter Kura 110-140. Beef 380-450 (pulp)
          3. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 12: 05
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            Meat 01.2014 --- 450 rub / kg
            Meat 07.2019 ---- 428 r / kg
            Milk 01.2014 ----- 50 rub
            milk 07.2019 ----- 69 r

            The meat (beef) was in the 14th 270-300, now 450-500. Milk 32-35, now 55-60.
            Quote: Olgovich
            Granta 2019 --380 tr

            From 382 tons And Andrew - it’s unfair to compare prices for different configurations.
            1. depressant
              depressant 24 August 2019 07: 23
              +1
              I went in, I read ...
              You, colleagues, take data on the Internet, and I’m in the store.
              In April last year, chicken legs with ridges - 109 rubles per kg, then sharply - 119, and then it went up slowly, but surely. Now it’s 168.
              So consider.
              Sellers said there would be a further increase.
          4. Victor N
            Victor N 23 August 2019 14: 48
            +6
            Oh, someone really pricks his eyes!
            But the yachts have really risen in price.
        2. cradle
          cradle 24 August 2019 02: 41
          0
          I have enough in rubles
    4. Civil
      Civil 23 August 2019 08: 10
      +5
      You probably won’t scare anyone with such an agitation;
      1. Chaldon48
        Chaldon48 23 August 2019 09: 44
        +1
        Probably like this: "Now, for the time being, it is temporarily not very good for us, but our economy has a great future, but now we need to be patient and wait a little and everything will be fine." Here is such a modest optimism for general consumption.
        1. Civil
          Civil 23 August 2019 12: 04
          +1
          Quote: Chaldon48
          Probably like this: "Now, for the time being, it is temporarily not very good for us, but our economy has a great future, but now we need to be patient and wait a little and everything will be fine." Here is such a modest optimism for general consumption.

          Did it ever work? As far as I remember myself, everyone from the general secretaries to the presidents repeated this prayer) is anyone really being conducted? laughing
    5. smart ass
      smart ass 23 August 2019 13: 07
      -5
      The pension reform, the increase in VAT, and the debris were not started from the sanction, it’s just better for the citizens of the Russian Federation, but we don’t care about the sanctions, we will defeat America, we will overcome the trump !! Urrr
  2. KCA
    KCA 23 August 2019 05: 20
    +17
    The author cited the data of a non-worthy BBS on the cost of a set of goods for 14, 17 and 19 years, but what can’t be disassembled in this set, is the special list of goods blurred to complete unreadability, although everything else in the picture is remarkably drawn? But it’s interesting, does the BBS, and the author, take into account the double exchange rate of the ruble to the ruble in 2014, inflation in Russia and global inflation? Or is it not important, the price of goods increases only because of the introduction of sanctions and counter-sanctions? Yes, and with palm oil, the problem sucked from the finger, inserted everywhere, to and from the place, causes only irritation, in Soviet times, for some reason, margarine did not scare anyone (Margarine is an emulsion product made from natural fractionated and / or modified vegetable oils and / or hydrogenated vegetable or animal fats.), which was in all baked goods, in all kitchens, home and catering, in each refrigerator, that’s better, a product of the chemical processing of natural oil, vegetable oil, etc. origin (rapeseed, sunflower, corn, etc.), or a natural vegetable (palm), without chemical processing?
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 23 August 2019 05: 33
      +9
      With palm oil, the biggest rzhach in that. that its largest consumer in the world is one American company, and to a large extent it goes to peanut butter - which, in addition to obese burgers, no one especially in the world eats ... And they shove this shit without any sanctions
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 07: 09
        +3
        Quote: Uhu
        With palm oil, the biggest rzhach in that. that its largest consumer in the world is one American company, and to a large extent it goes to peanut butter - which, in addition to obese burgers, no one especially in the world eats ...

        Strange conclusion. request Facts suggest another:
        According to the FCS, palm oil imports in Russia in 2018 amounted to 1,06 million tons worth $ 748,4 million, despite the fact that in 2017, in real terms, import was estimated at 891 thousand tons. According to the Institute for Agricultural Market Studies (IKAR), a slight increase in deliveries should be expected in 2019 to 1,2 million tons. As for import for the season, then in 2017/18, 934 thousand tons of palm oil was imported to Russia, which was a record result. In the current agricultural year, import is already 25% ahead of previous indicators, says Daniil Khotko, a leading ICAR expert. From September 2018 to April 2019, 772 thousand tons were received from abroad. At this rate, the total volume of imports by the end of the season may reach 1,1 million tons of palm oil only (excluding palm kernel - it still supplies about 80-100 thousand . t). And it will be an absolute record.

        Here is another comparison:

        hi
        1. eagle owl
          eagle owl 23 August 2019 07: 47
          +7
          And the largest consumer of legal entities is Nestle ... Although it is officially Swiss, only the main market is the United States. And wherever they can shove their favorite palm oil - from chocolates to this very peanut butter. Do you understand the difference between consumption in countries and in offices? In addition, in the second table, your consumption in the United States beats Russia one and a half times, and even there it is not a fact that they take into account semi-finished products that were produced somewhere in Brazil-India, and gobbled up in the USA ...
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 09: 52
            0
            Quote: Uhu
            And wherever they can shove their favorite palm oil - from chocolates to this very peanut butter. Do you understand the difference between consumption in countries and in offices?

            I want to clarify a bit:
            There are various types of oils for feedstock, manufacturing processes and consistency.
            Unrefined - passed only mechanical cleaning. With this method, the beneficial properties of vegetable oils are maximally preserved, they acquire a taste and smell characteristic of the product from which they are obtained, and may have a precipitate. This is the most useful vegetable oil;
            Hydrated - past cleaning with sprayed hot water. It has a less pronounced odor, without sediment and is not cloudy;
            Refined - neutralized by alkali after mechanical cleaning. Such a product is transparent, with a slight taste and smell;
            Deodorized - purified by hot vapors under vacuum. This product is almost odorless, tasteless and colorless.
            Methods for extracting oil:
            cold pressing - such oils have the greatest benefits for the body;
            hot pressing - the raw material is heated before pressing so that the oil contained in it is more liquid and is subject to extraction in a larger volume;
            extraction - the raw material is treated with an oil extraction solvent. The solvent is subsequently removed, but some small part of it can remain in the final product, which can be harmful to the body.
            The main types of oils:
            SESAME OIL
            LINSEED OIL
            MUSTARD OIL
            OLIVE OIL
            PUMPKIN OIL
            CEDAR OIL
            COCONUT OIL
            PEANUT BUTTER
            WALNUT OIL
            SEA BUCKTHORN OIL
            HEMP OIL
            AVOCADO OIL
            SUNFLOWER OIL
            Details who are interested:
            https://www.oum.ru/yoga/pravilnoe-pitanie/rastitelnoe-maslo-raznoobrazie-vidov/
            We are legalized (instead of GOST - TU) they are introducing the cheapest varieties of palm oil, while replacing natural products, creating the appearance of diversity and minimizing the benefits for the body.
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 23 August 2019 14: 41
              +3
              Dear ROSS42 ... some amendments to your comment .... unrefined oil is useful for a maximum of 6 months .. then irreversible processes take place, after which it becomes harmful .. further, not all types of unrefined vegetable oils can be directly eaten (for example, rapeseed ) ... regarding the process of extracting oil from sunflower seeds ... all major world producers use the extraction process, and solvents are not used at the very first stage, the cake is immersed in the solvent, after pepper pressing and this allows you to get about 5-6% oil and the output is already oil, meal and other things (hydrofuse, fatty acids, and so on). Regarding palm oil, unfortunately, the bulk of palm oil is imported to Russia, produced by medium and more or less large but "vapors" ... which is in the price much lower than that produced by a large manufacturer on modern equipment. Well, from the Russian Federation, the export of sunflower and rapeseed oil is more than a million tons.
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 25 August 2019 22: 36
              -1
              Yeah, connoisseurs !!, and who plus you! Communists? Compared to an Internet specialist, with you - Oil before extraction, cold pressed. Further, oil after extraction is the main volume of oils in Russia. Well, what is the extraction process will look at it on the Internet, you draw knowledge there.
          2. New Year day
            New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 22
            0
            Quote: Uhu
            Russian consumption beats Russia one and a half times, and even there it’s not a fact that they take into account semi-finished products that were produced somewhere in Brazil-India, and gobbled up in the USA ...

            Yes, they somehow do not mind, even if they smear this butter on bread! I want creamy, real!
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 23 August 2019 18: 22
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              I want creamy, real!

              Get a cow. Save again zhezh will wink laughing
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 23 August 2019 19: 22
                0
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Get a cow.

                Cow - not a car, than to feed her? Yes, and care is needed for her, barn bully
      2. Megamarcel
        Megamarcel 23 August 2019 08: 04
        +7
        The largest rzhach that the import of palm oil in Russia for 10 years has grown by 2 times. Now the Russian Federation is in 9th place in the world in its consumption. Question. If everything is fine in the economy and we are going the right way, then what the hell do we need palm oil if we have our own sunflower. Two conclusions suggest itself. Either in order to reduce the cost of the products, since they can’t afford it with their native sunflower, or the poopas pay the price with a palm tree and have to put it somewhere. Total we kill our agricultural and poison the population, but fools are with their nutella. So?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 10: 01
          +6
          Quote: MegaMarcel
          The largest rzhach that the import of palm oil in Russia for 10 years has grown by 2 times.

          I am most of all "annoyed" by the policy of the USSR, where we were simply stuffed with "harmful" animal oil:
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 11: 02
            -9
            Suppose, from animal fats, you get atherosclerosis much faster than from the notorious palm. Yeah, cholesterol, which is not found in vegetable fats from the word "at all"
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 27
              0
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              from animal fats, you will get atherosclerosis much faster than from the notorious palm.


              It depends on your liver. You can live without oil and earn atherosclerosis
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 26
          0
          Quote: MegaMarcel
          So?


          Palm oil is used to replace butter, and this is confectionery. The cost of cream is higher than that of palm. In addition, you correctly noticed that they are paying us. If memory serves, then, for example, Malaysia for airplanes.
          Palm oil supplies to Russia were supervised by Dvorkovich, former deputy of Medvedev
      3. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 09: 48
        -1
        In fact, palm oil is not more harmful and not more useful than sunflower or corn. Trans fats that are made of them are harmful to health. And no matter what oil. An example of trans fats is margarine, which, in Soviet times, was shoved where needed and not needed due to a shortage of butter.
        1. Pilat2009
          Pilat2009 23 August 2019 15: 40
          -3
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          palm oil is not more harmful and not more useful than sunflower or corn

          Palm oil is of different quality. And they are not buying the best.
    2. Morris812
      Morris812 23 August 2019 06: 15
      +20
      Not too lazy and counted the picture in bucks: 2014 - 123,92 2017 - 128,15 2019 - 127,80
      In fairness - my salary, alas, is not in the bucks. And since 2014 it has not practically changed.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 23 August 2019 06: 36
        -21
        Quote: Morris812
        my salary, alas, is not in bucks

        But you don't pay "bucks" in the supermarket for bread, milk and sausage? Judging by the amount of "bucks", your salary today, compared to the "sanctioned" year, 2014, has grown quite significantly, about two times, while prices have increased during this time from 17 to 30%, that is, you have significantly won and you have not there is no reason to curse the Russian authorities and complain about the falling living standards, which, in fact, did not happen.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 23 August 2019 07: 11
          +10
          Quote: bistrov.
          But you do not pay "bucks" in the supermarket for bread, milk and sausage?

          That’s true, we’re not surviving completely on the pasta!
          Many were not bells about this, for we are taught to OVERCOME !!! The insult is that those who are supposed to be happy for the good of the people, specifically profit at the expense of the people! Those. not for the affluent business as such, prtensii, but for those whom the people were called to the service \ elected !!!
          If we fight, then TOGETHER TOGETHER, and not like that, but only bumps, and they gingerbread ....
          FUN!
        2. Avior
          Avior 23 August 2019 07: 48
          +8
          As if a person writes that his salary has remained the same, and he is not in the bucks.
        3. Personalrec
          Personalrec 23 August 2019 10: 54
          -2
          Yeah, add pension reform, which was also clearly not from a good life, and there will be a class in general.
          And can you imagine how the Venezuelans won - they have millions of percent inflation, and then they buy goods in their bolivars. Now everything is completely there - millionaires. By your logic, you need to make Maduro the Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation.
        4. cradle
          cradle 24 August 2019 05: 13
          0
          Well, in the teaching staff the salary may have decreased, but not significantly. This is not as critical as if they were "laid down" by the amers. So let your sanctions fall asleep ... in your pocket. wink
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 07: 16
        +9
        Quote: Morris812
        In fairness - my salary, alas, is not in the bucks.

        Salary of the wife:
        November 2016 - 18
        November 2017 - 24
        November 2018 - 23
        August 2019 - 22
        belay It follows that in 2024, by March, the salary can reach ...
        18 900!!! fellow
        An interesting moment with Doshirak noodles with chicken:
        summer 2015 - 24-26 rubles
        summer 2019 - 34 -38 rubles ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 07: 54
          +11
          Quote: ROSS 42
          An interesting moment with Doshirak noodles with chicken:

          A liter of milk cost a little more than 30 rubles, today almost 60. Lamber cheese cost 350 r, now it’s 300 more expensive. Coffee Jardine grain 1 kg. was 500 p, now 1100 p.
          1. KCA
            KCA 23 August 2019 08: 29
            0
            OZON, coffee "Jardine Premium" 1000g, price from 509r., Are you also buying in "Azbuka Vkusa"? I buy "Oriental jockey" 250g, ground, 2014 - 135 rubles, 2017 - 157 rubles, 2019 - 189 rubles, but a month ago I bought 2 packs of 115 rubles each, but cheaper than in 2014, kgts, "we have here not everything is so simple "
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 08: 47
              +3
              Quote: KCA
              coffee "Jardine Premium" 1000g, price from 509r.
              coffee beans jardin colombia supremo 1 kg 1200 r. on the same ozone
              https://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/33069282/
              Quote: KCA
              I buy "Jockey in the East" 250g, ground

              Damn, I do not like cheap coffee. Even in the worst of times I buy a good one, I try to look for stocks. In Jardines, this is Bravo Brazil, Columbia suprem, something with Ethiopia and Guatemala. American cream and Dessert Cup is better not to take. hi
              1. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan 23 August 2019 10: 31
                +5
                And before the sanctions in 2013, I was in St. Petersburg with a cultural program, for example, a ticket to the Hermitage cost 200 rubles, and this summer I was so unpleasantly surprised - everything went up 2 or 3 times, especially Peterhof and ride a boat on the Neva and canals , I simply decided not to go to some museums because of ticket prices.
          2. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 10: 55
            0
            You understand that a cow brings profit to a person, the purchase price of milk should be at least 35-40 rubles / liter. Otherwise, the farmer will be poor. In my small homeland, the price is a liter of doubles, from private cows, private traders already have 70 rubles. At this price, livestock is growing, it has become profitable for people to keep a cow.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 13
              +4
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              In my small homeland, the price is a liter of doubles, from private cows, private traders already have 70 rubles.

              The village of Demidovka, Syzran district, a three-liter jar 130 rubles. Whole, not bodyless. For 210 no one will take.
              1. AU Ivanov.
                AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 11: 35
                -1
                We have a bank of 200-220. A dozen eggs of domestic -120-140. Farmer’s milk is cheaper, but he has cows on hormones and stalls all year round. Novgorod region.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 42
                  +2
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  A dozen eggs of domestic -120-140.

                  I sell for 75. on the market 100 r.
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 23 August 2019 14: 59
                    0
                    It seems that in the collection of housewives. Men- ay! Where are you?
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 15: 59
                      +6
                      Agriculture, in general, is a serious peasant work. So, go with the housewives to the forest.
                2. your1970
                  your1970 23 August 2019 14: 51
                  0
                  We have 45 rubles homemade eggs
            2. brat07
              brat07 23 August 2019 15: 00
              +1
              Quote: AU Ivanov.
              You understand that a cow brings profit to a person, the purchase price of milk should be at least 35-40 rubles / liter. Otherwise, the farmer will be poor. In my small homeland, the price is a liter of doubles, from private cows, private traders already have 70 rubles. At this price, livestock is growing, it has become profitable for people to keep a cow.

              Now I asked my wife how much she buys a liter of farm milk - 34 rubles.
              I repeat once again - in different regions their prices. Therefore, to generalize, after all, is not necessary.
          3. New Year day
            New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 31
            +1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Lambert cheese cost 350 r, now at 300


            We have about 900 rubles. At discounts of 560 ₽ and the quality has become worse.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 19: 32
              -1
              And the quality of everything falls. Manufacturers either reduce the weight of the package or the quality.
              Amid all this, it’s wild to watch on the news which mosque in Shali was taken away. Who won whom is incomprehensible.
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 25 August 2019 22: 39
                0
                So vote for the refusal of the Crimea, the sanctions will be lifted and you will eat real Swiss cheese. Sylvester still treat, also lets a tear on the cheese.
    3. Avior
      Avior 23 August 2019 07: 19
      +4
      It’s blurred there, because there are copies of real receipts from stores that blurred the names of companies due to possible advertising charges.
      Here is the same picture in good quality

      https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-49250584#anchor12
      And here is the article itself, to which
      https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-49250584#backtotop
      hi
      1. KCA
        KCA 23 August 2019 07: 35
        +7
        It is surprising that olive oil, which is not produced in Russia, but imported, has increased in price after the growth of the dollar, right? Why didn't BBS buy sunflower seeds? Jamon, imported cheeses, vinegar for 109-204 rubles? What is this vinegar? The one with which Tutankhamun was embalmed? The rise in prices for imported capers in general causes the most decisive protest among the people, if a can of capers is not eaten a day, that's all, depression, reaching suicide. Why is there no poultry in purchases? Imported salmon and trout, but where is the Far Eastern pink salmon? The shops where the purchase was made, probably "Azbuka Vkusa" and "Green Crossroads"? Are "Magnet" and "Pyaterochka" contraindicated for purchases by BBS employees?
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 August 2019 07: 56
          +3
          You wrote
          . that in this set, you can’t make out, the list of goods is blurred to the point of complete unreadability

          Therefore, I brought a picture
          The set of goods in my opinion is quite diverse, and most of them are quite domestic, in any case Adygei was not found in Europe.
          in addition to trout or salmon, there is also zander, which has doubled in price.
          If you want to know my opinion, someone found lying old checks and decided to compare prices.
          What has happened over the centuries has been compared.
          Sometimes I also find in my garage in my garage some advertising papers from supermarkets that were thrown away from the trunk, sometimes lying around for several years (my wife has been looking at the garage for a long time about cleaning, but I hold on to the defense smile ), I am considering with nostalgia.
          1. KCA
            KCA 23 August 2019 08: 20
            +1
            Pike perch boiled in jelly for 124 rubles 200g is this also a must-have product? As I wrote, purchases were made in the "Azbuka Vkusa", somehow I did not find more offers for this position anywhere, for information, even Muscovites go to "Azbuka" to "look", well, sometimes to buy something for the holiday, an exception those who need to maintain their image, leave the Bentley for the ABC and return with full bags. Yes, the pike perch is fresh, the carcass, though not gutted, costs 120-130 rubles per kg on the market
            1. Avior
              Avior 23 August 2019 08: 35
              +2
              They compared prices, not just watched their level.
              Not how much it costs, but how much it has risen in price.
              Sudak is clearly not monetary, therefore it should not have a relation to the ruble exchange rate
              What old checks were found, by such and compared the same goods.
            2. Galleon
              Galleon 23 August 2019 11: 24
              0
              Pike perch below 300 rubles / kg does not happen, if only small on the market in Rybinsk. Carcass, not gutted. Its price in Moscow markets is about 300-350 rubles, for the new year - up to 500 rubles. So you have a mistake. And 120-130 rubles - this is a small linen with snacks.
              1. KCA
                KCA 23 August 2019 12: 37
                0
                Every Belle - 70 maximum
              2. your1970
                your1970 23 August 2019 14: 55
                +1
                Catfish 140 per kg, handsome carps for 70, every little thing 50 rubles.
                If they could sell dough at 120, our farmers would get rich ....
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon 23 August 2019 14: 58
                  -2
                  This is where is Eldorado? To the Don?
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 23 August 2019 15: 30
                    +1
                    Saratov region
                    a trifle for a cat I take 40- because I take 10 kg at a time
                    1. Galleon
                      Galleon 23 August 2019 15: 42
                      -1
                      It’s good to be a cat with a good owner. smile Hello Saratov region. I haven’t been.
        2. tkoh
          tkoh 23 August 2019 08: 10
          -2
          Yeah, I had to bring prices for palm oil products
        3. New Year day
          New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 36
          +2
          Quote: KCA
          Imported salmon and trout, but where is the Far Eastern pink salmon?


          Norwegian salmon in Auchan is sold somewhere around 800 rubles, but it was 360! Pink salmon from the Far East comes ice cream, sometimes twice. By the way, the flounder-kalkan in Yevpatoriya in the 14th was 400 rubles, now 800, but fresh
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 August 2019 15: 55
      0
      Quote: KCA
      Yes, and with palm oil, the problem sucked out of the finger, inserted everywhere, to and from the place, causes only irritation, in Soviet times, for some reason, margarine did not scare anyone

      And you just compare GOSTs, get scared.
      GOST of the 85 year, and even that, with changes from the edition of the 97, the original from the 85 did not find.

      And GOST from 2013:

      It strains, like that.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 August 2019 06: 11
    +6
    It's boring to read another chewing gum, about how bad everything is with us. The crisis in Russia (slowing growth, "stagnation"), roughly speaking, began not in 14, but somewhat earlier ... It even seemed to me that the government "breathed a sigh of relief" when, after the Crimean spring, the sanctions mold "fell". .. The country was de-dollarized, and agricultural producers were raised ... Explained to the people about the devaluation and falling living standards. And even the pension reform was carried out with a PROFICIENT budget ... Without any special consequences ...
    Nevertheless, I consider it useful to stop the "movement of Russia to the West." Our export potential has grown. And not only "hydrocarbon" ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 09: 38
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Our export potential has grown. And not only "hydrocarbon" ...

      Compared to what period? Era of EBN? You count the entire export of the USSR (not only to the CMEA countries) and an incomparable difference will come out.
      It is one thing to export high-tech products, another is a dumb run of raw materials.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 23 August 2019 14: 47
        +1
        Under the USSR, did many high-tech products be sold to Western Europe?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 24 August 2019 03: 12
          +1
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Under the USSR, did many high-tech products be sold to Western Europe?

          A lot of. What do you mean?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 24 August 2019 07: 26
          0
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          Under the USSR, did many high-tech products be sold to Western Europe?

          I can "shake" you with information about the sale, for example, of Tu-134 aircraft in Germany ... belay
          And the fact that the export to Western countries was low is to blame for the United States, whose policies led to moderation in relations between the USSR and the West. However! It did not affect cultural and scientific ties.
          Quote: besik
          Well, are you all about the USSR sigh? It was a completely different country, a person says anything about the Russian Federation.

          I do not know who the statement is dedicated to and for what reason, but the RSFSR was part of the USSR, and the share of industrial, scientific, cultural potential of this republic of the titular nation had much greater potential and weight than any other republic.
          But the main achievement was the integration of the economies of the CMEA member countries, which enjoyed equal rights and were very interested in the community. This can be told by those who traveled and admired the level of development of the European countries of the socialist camp.
          1. Town Hall
            Town Hall 24 August 2019 07: 47
            -1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I can "shake" you with information about the sale, for example, of Tu-134 aircraft in Germany

            Tell ... very interesting to know
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 24 August 2019 16: 22
              0
              Quote: Town Hall
              Tell ... very interesting to know

              It is enough to open the directory of foreign trade of the USSR:

              1. Town Hall
                Town Hall 24 August 2019 16: 33
                -3
                I do not need Soviet statistics ... it is enough to indicate how many Tu-134s were sold in Germany.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 24 August 2019 16: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: Town Hall
                  it is enough to indicate how many Tu-134 were sold in Germany.

                  I do not know. Just reluctance to look for the cost of aircraft in the 1975 year. In addition, they could also buy a maize during the load, but I am too lazy to break my head. laughing Here are the people! You tell them that the USSR alone in the United States delivered more than half a million hours to the 1975, they do not believe it, submit the document. And you will give the document at the price of the goods - again not that, write piece by piece ... wink drinks I don’t know how many aircraft delivered to Germany in pieces, but this is clearly not about balloons.
                  1. Town Hall
                    Town Hall 24 August 2019 17: 36
                    -2
                    It is very difficult to find a black cat in a dark room .. especially when she is not there)
              2. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 25 August 2019 22: 41
                -2
                Mordvin, well, do not disgrace yourself, you have already proved to be a "specialist" in agriculture. The USSR sold oil, gas, fertilizers for foreign exchange earnings. To buy Pepsi on it, with which you drank. You wrote that you had a Pepsi zaleyte? For currency was bought.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 25 August 2019 23: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  You wrote that you had a Pepsi zaleyte?

                  We did not have. And in one village, kilometers for 15 for some reason.
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  drank

                  I drank our drinks a thousand times more than any Pepsi there.
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  The USSR sold oil, gas, fertilizers for foreign exchange earnings.

                  The USSR sold not only oil and gas, but also industrial goods (equipment and machines), as well as household and medical goods. And you can repeat the president’s really shameful statement about galoshes.
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  do not embarrass yourself
      2. cradle
        cradle 24 August 2019 05: 25
        0
        Well, are you all about the USSR sigh? It was a completely different country, a person says anything about the Russian Federation.
  4. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 23 August 2019 06: 23
    +13
    Sanctions affected and how, don’t need to powder people’s brains, look at the price of the dollar before and after the sanctions, the rise in prices for everything, but salaries do not grow. Yes, ours began to replace some products with domestic ones, and our shitty cheese began to cost as imported.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 09: 43
      +3
      Quote: Plague Doctor
      Sanctions affected and how, don’t need to powder people’s brains, look at the price of the dollar before and after the sanctions, the rise in prices for everything, but salaries do not grow.

      Wow ... And who is forcing to trade Russian raw materials for dollars? It is such a trade that simply squeezes out all national natural wealth from Russia in exchange for ???
      Oil, gas oligarchs powder our brains, profit from us by selling metals, forests, fish, and minerals, providing surrogates in return.
      And also add tar bankers and pharmacists with their eternal expensive drugs.
      First they poison, then they treat.
      1. Victor N
        Victor N 23 August 2019 15: 04
        0
        But who makes heavy surrogates consume them ?!
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 23 August 2019 18: 41
          0
          Quote: Victor N
          But who makes heavy surrogates consume them ?!

          Speaking for medicines, the same drug we have there, “made in Russia”, is of completely different quality
          1. cradle
            cradle 24 August 2019 05: 28
            +1
            embarrassed to ask: "here" - where is this? In Uzbekistan ... then it is with you, not with us.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 24 August 2019 10: 19
              -1
              Quote: besik
              In Uzbekistan ... then it is with you, not ours.

              In the Russian Federation
  5. nikvic46
    nikvic46 23 August 2019 06: 49
    -3
    I judge the sanctions on the newspapers I read. Therefore, do not judge me harshly. In this subject, oddly enough, it has its advantages. A more prudent attitude to finances. Both direct sanctions and reciprocal harm countries. What is the harm of retaliatory sanctions ? No matter how we hit industrialists, small farmers end up suffering. And their view of our country, unfortunately, is not changing for the better. For such a large country like ours, in general, some costs of the new system should not apply.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 23 August 2019 07: 19
      +9
      Quote: nikvic46
      For so big countries like ours, in general, some costs of the new system should not act.

      In order for a country such as Russia to not have an impact on costs, it is necessary to limit the appetites of raw materials campaigns to the most common nationalization of natural resources.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 23 August 2019 08: 55
        +5
        Quote: ROSS 42
        For such a large country as ours, in general, some costs of the new system should not act.

        In order for a country such as Russia to not have an impact on costs, it is necessary to limit the appetites of raw materials campaigns to the most common nationalization of natural resources.

        It is surprising that many do not understand this, but the funny thing is when they start to say that the state will not cope with oil / gas production, only Sechin and Miller are capable of this.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 10: 44
          0
          Sechin just heads the state company for the production of hydrocarbons. Miller is a company with a state controlling interest.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 10: 41
        0
        Natural resources, in particular subsoil, and so belong to the state.
        "The subsoil within the boundaries of the territory of the Russian Federation, including the underground space and minerals, energy and other resources contained in the subsoil, are state property. The issues of ownership, use and disposal of subsoil are under the joint jurisdiction of the Russian Federation and the constituent entities of the Russian Federation."
      3. Victor N
        Victor N 23 August 2019 15: 08
        0
        Is natural rent not enough for you?
        1. cradle
          cradle 24 August 2019 05: 29
          +2
          this is a small fraction of the profit from raw materials ... do not tell.
      4. your1970
        your1970 23 August 2019 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        In order for a country such as Russia to not have an impact on costs, it is necessary to limit the appetites of raw materials campaigns to the most common nationalization of natural resources.
        -nationalized! then what?
        and then just a big capital says to itself: "Aha! right now resources - tomorrow factories ...... We must run abroad!"
        Money futures and after 30 minutes outside the country. And even if after that we put the owner on a stake, these money for the country will be lost forever
        And a week later, the plants will get up- EVERYTHING .... money, bye bye ...
  6. samarin1969
    samarin1969 23 August 2019 06: 53
    +8
    The states systematically limit Russian exports to other countries, stifling cheap financial resources. This would not be critical if the elite of the Russian Federation limited the openness of the domestic economy. But this is about how to make wolves eat grass.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 23 August 2019 06: 56
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      ... if ... would limit the openness of the domestic economy ...

      How do you imagine it, I wonder? "Limit Openness"? Is that purely technical?
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 07: 57
        +3
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        That's purely technically?

        Have you heard about import duties, Kees? wink It is they who protect the domestic manufacturer.
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        2. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 August 2019 09: 37
          -1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Have you heard about import duties, Kees?

          You have an obsessive motive, buddy ... you see kittens around you. This is an alarming symptom, by the way. wink

          As for me - about import duties, I essno heard. I'm interested in Details the proposed protectionist policy, how exactly does the comrade see it samarin1969... well, or you, at worst yes
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 16
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            you see kittens around

            Do you consider yourself a glitch? belay
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            I'm interested in the details of the proposed protectionist policies,

            Too long and dreary to paint, much less you. wink
        3. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 10: 23
          +3
          Import duties - a double-edged sword. On the one hand, they really protect the manufacturer. On the other hand, they create greenhouse conditions. A living example: a closed Soviet economy led to a huge technological lag.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 17
            0
            Quote: AS Ivanov.
            Import duties - a double-edged sword.

            In extremes, yes. But if used wisely, it is a very necessary and useful tool. hi
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 11: 25
              +2
              I agree. Suppose in the agricultural sector this is good and has already begun to show results. In high technology, this will lead to a lag.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 44
                -2
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                In high technology, this will lead to a lag.

                Light industry, heavy machine building, machine tool building are badly needed industries.
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 11: 53
                  +2
                  And I would make IT, biotechnology, robotics a priority. I would invest in bright minds so that they would not even have a thought about emigration.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 11: 56
                    0
                    Then you need to follow the Chinese path, and do not hesitate to "borrow" other people's technologies for a start. And invest wisely, not finance Chubais.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 12: 13
                      +1
                      Chubais and others like him are a product of the late Soviet era. Carry every nail from work. They can not be allowed to control the cannon shot. They steal - to hell with him, the worst thing is that they are incompetent.
                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 23 August 2019 12: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Quote: AS Ivanov.
                  In high technology, this will lead to a lag.

                  Light industry, heavy machine building, machine tool building are badly needed industries.

                  Do you propose introducing barrage duties on (for example) the import of machine tools and equipment, or did I think? wink
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 17: 34
                    -2
                    No Kitty, you need to completely close your worthless production, and completely rely on imports, right? fool your "computer" really crashes, the processor is buggy, the hard drive is crumbling. wassat
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 23 August 2019 17: 38
                      +1
                      I did not understand the answer. I repeat the question, just in case:

                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Do you propose introducing barrage duties on (for example) the import of machine tools and equipment, or did I think?

                      Hint: in order to organize our own production, we need precisely machines and equipment, preferably modern yes
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 August 2019 20: 09
                        -2
                        Oh, pussycat, you remembered why you need a head! good That's right, machines are needed for production. Do we have any movements in the sphere of organizing the production of machine tools? No, because there is no specific state. programs.
                      2. cradle
                        cradle 24 August 2019 05: 33
                        0
                        Well, you at least read. Made with us, adit
                      3. Okolotochny
                        Okolotochny 25 August 2019 22: 45
                        0
                        And for Kitty - is it your Squirrel jumping? All kitty and kitty? Snack, militant communist.
      2. samarin1969
        samarin1969 23 August 2019 13: 59
        +1
        I had to face similar measures in Ukraine in the 90s: 100% sale of foreign exchange earnings, a ban on contracts with offshore companies, full control of foreign economic activity through tax and security officials, a ban on the activities of non-resident financial companies. Yes - the stock market was close to zero. But the economy worked well for itself and developed practically without a stock market.
        And so, money in the Russian Federation is started either under financial speculation, or under a quick profit. In any "long" real projects, the ears of "our exes" stick out.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 23 August 2019 14: 11
          +2
          Clear.

          Do you seem to be teaching history there? wink
          1. samarin1969
            samarin1969 23 August 2019 14: 20
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Clear.

            Do you seem to be teaching history there? wink

            Now yes. Work used to be finance. bully
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 23 August 2019 14: 33
              +1
              Quote: samarin1969
              Earlier work - finance

              Well, I don't know ... there is one such "diploma economist" here - Ingvar 72 called ... brrrrrrr ...

              As for the measures you listed - some of these recipes in the Russian Federation are simply unrealizable ("Ukraine is not Russia", on the contrary, it is also correct), and some are frankly harmful, IMHO. About

              Quote: samarin1969
              money in the Russian Federation is made either for financial speculation or for quick profit

              - I would like to justify that just for that "money starts up." Although you have further -

              Quote: samarin1969
              In any "long" real projects, the ears of "our exes" stick out

              - that is already - not only for this request

              It remains to clarify what kind of "our former" with "protruding ears" is. To make the discussion more specific.

              In general, so far - "every word is a mystery" (c) B. Zakhoder "The Kit and the Cat" wink
              1. samarin1969
                samarin1969 23 August 2019 15: 03
                0
                "It remains to clarify what kind of" our ex "with" protruding ears "... well, you, just Sledkom, immediately present the evidence base. laughing
                Next to any Browder, there is always a Magnitsky. If you have not encountered this, then you can continue to remain in your ideas about "investors".

                I will not find an example for you about "long-term finance" for technological investments.
                Americans wanted second-generation shnivy - "changed their minds." If the ship is in Kerch, then only the hull. If X-Ray - then with a non-Russian filling ("Sandero"). If the refrigerator is Lipetsk, then it is Italians. My dream is to buy a technological product entirely from a Russian resident in a store. Well, at least, a la the Russian analogue of Lenovo.
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 23 August 2019 15: 37
                  +2
                  Quote: samarin1969
                  If you have not come across this ...

                  No, I have not encountered this. I have a different habitat.

                  Quote: samarin1969
                  My dream is to buy a technological product entirely from a Russian resident in a store. Well, at least, a la the Russian analogue of Lenovo

                  This is unlikely to happen in the foreseeable future. Competing with the Chinese in consumer goods is pointless. You, as someone dealing with "finance", should know this.
  7. Boris55
    Boris55 23 August 2019 07: 37
    -7
    Quote: A. Podymov
    Five-year sanctions - neither efficiency, nor quality

    Exactly. And they say everything Putin is bad. Frankly, who felt their sanctions on their budget in such a way that they would be ready to lick the boots of the sanktsvodvod (I don’t ask you to ask for monogamous love)? There is discomfort - yes, but not to the same extent that this power would be demolished and the protégés of the West brought under which it would not be better for sure.

    And today we were respected - they invite us to the seven.
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    2. cradle
      cradle 24 August 2019 05: 36
      0
      similarly, colleague, so wildly plus !!
  8. Megamarcel
    Megamarcel 23 August 2019 07: 46
    +4
    The article is written according to the proverb who says something that hurts. This is so if such admonishing notes are published with the most regular frequency. It would be better if the permanent ruler did not raise taxes (VAT) on the final consumer (common people) and remove social responsibility from his government (increase the retirement age), but vice versa. And it turns out that through indirect taxes money from the population to support the dying friends of the dohrenarchs was ripped off and allegedly, as compensation measures, some kind of "presidential" benefits were introduced. And so yes. There are no sanctions and taxes are being brought in just to reduce inflation. After all, if people have nothing to spend, then inflation is minimal. By the way, we do not want to build the high-speed railroad in Moscow, Kazan, because the supreme economic feasibility of the project is not obvious. A Crimean bridge or gts to China is please. Although what the economic feasibility of these projects is not clear either. This I mean that there are no sanctions for subsidized friends. They will be given both projects and subsidies, but the rest must tighten their belts, and for those who disagree, there is the National Guard. So since the perestroika times you want this one, but you want it. All the same faces will still be in the black.
  9. Million
    Million 23 August 2019 09: 06
    +10
    The worst sanction is our current government! It does more harm than all sanctions combined
  10. Fevralsk. Morev
    Fevralsk. Morev 23 August 2019 09: 43
    +5
    As for the sanctions, they did not deal with the economy, which was the time of the sanctions. It has become easier for the government to write off its professional unsuitability, failures in the confrontation with the West.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 23 August 2019 10: 43
      +1
      Namely, the main problems of our country are internal problems and relations between the people and the oligarchic elite. And the authorities and the TV impose on us a discussion of external problems with America, England and other Europe, so that we do not discuss internal problems.
  11. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 23 August 2019 09: 53
    0
    “As a result, a whole series of attacks on the most important sectors of the economy, on state banks, and even on personalities gave almost nothing. Yes, a lot of blood was spoiled for someone, somewhere business was completely broken, but in general the results are scanty. "
    And NorNickel, as if he now belongs not to us, or not to us at all.!? ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 23 August 2019 10: 46
      -2
      but overall the results are scanty

      In any war, any power tries to make its losses scanty, and exaggerate the losses of the enemy. This must be taken into account when reading such articles.
  12. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 23 August 2019 10: 56
    +1
    As was said, it is high time to build walls and learn to live behind them.
    The world economy is at an impasse; for all, it has long been lacking.
  13. Spring fluff
    Spring fluff 23 August 2019 11: 36
    +4
    and at this time in the news
    GAZ Group may switch to a four-day working week
    The transition to a part-time week may be required due to the deteriorating situation in the commercial vehicle market and the consequences of sanctions, the company explained.
    https://news.yandex.ru/story/Gruppa_GAZ_mozhet_perejti_na_chetyrekhdnevnuyu_rabochuyu_nedelyu--67bfb75eb9eeca65e299466ba7ff92b2?lang=ru&from=rub_portal&stid=7ec36LJH_FC0XQMOjWLX&t=1566545215&lr=213&msid=1566546262.71143.140882.131015&mlid=1566545215.custom_th_business.67bfb75e&rubric=business
  14. Tomich3
    Tomich3 23 August 2019 11: 44
    -1
    "then what is the secret of the banking sector's well-being, even if it is rather relative?" And the secret is simple - the total robbery of their own people, when people are forced to take out a loan even for food.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 12: 51
      0
      Food loans? When a person takes a loan "Schaub the car was no worse than the others" for iPhones and other show-offs, then yes - there will be no money left for food. Basically, it happens. And credit is a tool, they can build a house and chop off their fingers. You must know how to use the tool.
      1. Tomich3
        Tomich3 23 August 2019 14: 23
        +2
        And you didn’t know that now loans for food appeared in stores? Unfortunately appeared.
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 14: 27
          +1
          I have never met. Although in our village the drunk took a bottle on loan.
          1. Tomich3
            Tomich3 23 August 2019 17: 23
            -1
            In hypermarkets, "Perekrestok", "Pyaterochka", etc.
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 17: 29
              -3
              The first time I've heard. You seem to have paid toilets there - credit organizations.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 23 August 2019 15: 44
      -1
      Tomich3 How does the "language turn" so vile to slander fellow citizens ?! But in what nooks of Tomsk are such worthless squalor found?
      1. Tomich3
        Tomich3 23 August 2019 17: 21
        +1
        I don’t know where you live and in what back streets. And then slander? Google to the rescue)
  15. Undecim
    Undecim 23 August 2019 11: 52
    +1
    I propose to open a new section for such articles, as in Soviet wall newspapers, such as "The Agitator's Column". Judging by the last articles, there will be no problems with filling.
    1. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 25 August 2019 22: 48
      0
      And note - the commentators are the same in such articles. The IQ level does not allow them to comment on other articles. And here - he pulled out his saber and shouted For the victory of communism!
  16. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 23 August 2019 12: 37
    0
    The sanctions dropper is broken ...
  17. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 23 August 2019 12: 48
    +2
    Do not be burdened by ruining life with care,
    One silver and golden love!
    While you’re alive, you’ll spend the treasury with your friends,
    If you die, your enemy will eat everything after you.
    Omar Khayyam (translation of Derzhavin)
  18. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 14: 23
    0
    Quote: Mikhail M
    For some reason, I believe the picture on the price change by 88% is much more than inflation reports 4% per year. The wallet tells you.

    in this picture, about 23% of the annual inflation that the government itself creates. We can say that the sanctions on prices did not affect in any way, but they strongly affected the composition and quality of goods on the shelves.
    cheese used to be hard to find good, but now it’s just impossible, canned food has become about one and a half times less accessible and in fact a lot where it really has changed negatively.
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 17: 33
      -1
      Yes, quit. I'm talking about cheese. Just normal cheese physically cannot cost less than 600-700 rubles / kg. For the money you can quite find decent cheese.
      1. SARANCHA1976
        SARANCHA1976 23 August 2019 23: 58
        +4
        Decent cheese I ate in the 80s and it cost a penny
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 11: 04
          -2
          There was only one type of cheese in the Soviet Union. It was called "Cheese".
          1. SARANCHA1976
            SARANCHA1976 24 August 2019 14: 25
            +1
            And he was inexpensive nanoral and tasty
            1. AU Ivanov.
              AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 14: 48
              0
              Everything depended on the manufacturer's factory, as it is now. Some manufacturers drove overt slag, others a delicious product. But such a variety of cheeses during the Union, alas, was not. For no money.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 24 August 2019 15: 33
                -1
                Quote: AS Ivanov.
                But such a variety of cheeses during the Union, alas, was not. For no money.

                Drive again. Cheese Orbita, Druzhba, Volna ... Dutch, Chocolate, Soviet ... I don't even remember which ones were there ... The crust was hard and thick, unlike today, just like Orbita cheese was different from today's "cheese product ".
                1. AU Ivanov.
                  AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 15: 50
                  +1
                  I'm talking about normal cheeses, not processed ones. Where have you seen good hard cheeses in the USSR? Blue cheeses? Spicy soft cheeses? They did not exist from the word "in general" And in my small homeland I could not find ordinary cheese in a store in the afternoon with fire.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 24 August 2019 15: 59
                    -1
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Where did you see good hard cheeses in the USSR?

                    In the shop. negative
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Cheeses with blue mold?

                    There was mold on the crust, yes. Why didn’t she please you?
                    Quote: AS Ivanov.
                    Spicy soft cheeses? They were not from the word "at all"

                    I am not a connoisseur of cheese, so I do not know what to answer you. There were cheeses. And I did not particularly understand their varieties.
                    1. AU Ivanov.
                      AU Ivanov. 24 August 2019 16: 57
                      0
                      Have you seen the Soviet store Maasdam? Emmental? Gouda? Where was such a store, interesting to know? Probably a special distributor for party functionaries, not otherwise. The mold is not on the crust, it is in the form of veins in the thickness of the cheese: Roquefort, Dor Blue, Gorgonzola. As far as I remember, such cheeses were not produced at all in the USSR.
  19. lis-ik
    lis-ik 23 August 2019 14: 48
    +2
    In this sense, there is a special discussion about the agricultural sector, although its elected representatives almost exclusively benefited from the response. And it is from the real economy that one can hear confessions today, such as: “if there were no sanctions, they had to be invented.” Many are not seriously afraid of the lifting of sanctions and the food embargo.

    Auto is apparently far from the real state of affairs. I declare that the sanctioned products of the agricultural sector have not disappeared from the wholesale depots and markets of the Russian Federation, in particular Moscow, not for one day, but that there is a day, not for one hour. Even the labels were not pecked. At the same time, suppliers from the Russian Federation have become more active, but the prices are by no means encouraging, even in the season. We receive the real sanctions from the "native" government. May it be blessed forever and ever.
  20. vlados
    vlados 23 August 2019 15: 00
    +1
    What is there to argue about if 80% of the population, having listened to EXPERDOV, considers the low ruble exchange rate to be an economic advantage and a guarantee of PPP "growth" ???
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 23 August 2019 16: 45
      0
      Quote: vlados
      What is there to argue about if 80% of the population, having listened to EXPERDOV, considers the low ruble exchange rate to be an economic advantage and a guarantee of PPP "growth" ???

      For some industries and their owners, this is really a big advantage, for the population, to put it mildly, a priest, but who cares about this population and real production.
  21. Engineer
    Engineer 23 August 2019 17: 49
    +4
    What am I as an engineer, or rather my employers lost from the imposition of sanctions?
    No precision gearmotors.
    There are no gapless bearings of large diameters of a thin section,
    There are no powerful lasers for the ranges we need.
    There are no high-quality receiving matrices.
    A certain Dutch company refused to deal with our daughter company. The reason in plain text is Russian capital.

    Familiar oil workers are no longer howling. They whine quietly. Specialized software for geology all from America. Yes, and comes with amerskih servers. The best equipment for exploration and industrial drilling - USA. It is necessary to replace the Chinese with the corresponding costs and risks.

    Our analogues of all this are not and are not expected.
  22. SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 23 August 2019 23: 55
    +2
    A simple example. In the year 14, his wife and I were buried at 4000 rubles. on average in a supermarket. They took the standard .. Macariki cereals in short all the most running no foie gras and pineapples in champagne, they barely dragged 4 full packets. At 19m we take the same practically .. 2 packages. Recently, due to the unprecedented growth in GDP and official average salaries, we are actively switching to overstock at wholesale and retail bases ...
  23. V1er
    V1er 24 August 2019 18: 10
    0
    The main thing is that the sanctions have reached their point. Currency collapsed, made the import of foreign goods very expensive. The standard of living fell, the oligarchs began to crawl into the pockets of the state, and the state into the pockets of citizens. This was the calculation.

    "A king who fills his treasury with the property of his subjects is like one who smears the roof of his house with clay taken from under its foundation."

    Muhammad Azzahiri As-Samarkandi
  24. Cop
    Cop 25 August 2019 19: 03
    -1
    However, the rapid breakthrough of the agricultural sector in the end did not work.
    But Vladimir Vladimirovich not so long ago said that he did not even expect such an increase in the agricultural sector. And according to him, it amounted to more than 7 percent. And in your opinion, it turns out that Vladimir Vladimirovich ..... as it were, to put it mildly, well, let's just say, misled the citizens of Russia. So I am inclined to believe that Vladimir Vladimirovich still told the truth. Well, he can’t, looking into the eyes of millions of Russians, mislead them ..... or can he still ....?
    ... but they responded to unprecedentedly large purchases of hard currency Eurobonds. The five banks Sberbank, VTB, Gazprombank, Russian Agricultural Bank and Vnesheconombank (VEB) forked out for this at once $ 35 billion. And let after that at least someone from the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank say something else about the deficit of available funds in the country and about the problems with the allocation of funds from the National Welfare Fund.
    And imagine Mr. Podymov, tomorrow the EU will take and freeze their assets ..... in hard currency. So who then will our National Welfare Fund go to? Or maybe this way .... the friends of our president retain their personal assets? Or do you not think so?
  25. yehat
    yehat 26 August 2019 10: 34
    +1
    Quote: AS Ivanov.
    But such a variety of cheeses during the Union, alas, was not. For no money.

    I will exchange the whole variety of cheeses, especially with mold, for 1-2 types, but of high quality and affordable, and of high quality other products. Yes, probably Lambert or Marmesan cheese is cool, but it’s much cooler than sausages not from soya, chicken not pumped up with syringes and many products without substitutes.
  26. pavelpavel
    pavelpavel 26 August 2019 12: 53
    -2
    For all losses, the above is not comparable with the losses incurred from the activities of Nabiullina and Siluanov. Under the direction of the IMF, the economic murder of the Russian Federation is entering an obvious turning point, Putin is close to allowing defeat.
  27. Bronedar
    Bronedar 28 August 2019 10: 40
    0
    You can scream as much as you like, that we do not care. That's just for all these years of capitalism, we have not begun to produce anything high-tech. We only sell oil, gas, round timber and water from Lake Baikal.
    The population is increasingly plunged into poverty.
    They raised the retirement age, VAT, too, gasoline just grew up a paragraph, housing and communal services, garbage reform, and how many new fines introduced .... I will not even list.
    This is probably our achievements and breakthroughs over the years.
  28. Sergey49
    Sergey49 28 August 2019 13: 34
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    All is well beautiful marquise.
    Sanctions certainly do not affect anything. And they raised the retirement age as planned - they warned about this even before the sanctions, right?