Pension Fund Deputy Chairman Loses Dmitry Medvedev's Confidence

Today it became known that the government, after raising the retirement age, expressed dissatisfaction with the work of a single representative of the Pension Fund. Apparently, the Russian cabinet had been completely satisfied with the work of the PFR management earlier. But it’s close to the election.

So, today it became known that the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev, relieved Aleksey Ivanov, deputy head of the FIU. It turns out that Mr. Ivanov is currently under investigation. The wording used by the prime minister when dismissing a “retirement" official is as follows: "In connection with the loss of confidence."

Alexey Ivanov has been in jail since July. They detained him on suspicion of receiving a bribe. It is noted that the bribe was especially large in size.

The investigation claims that the deputy chairman of the Russian Pension Fund "for patronage" of some unidentified persons received 4,4 million rubles from 2017 to 2019. RIA News reports that the ex-employee of the Federal Security Service, who is also the director of the department for work with state structures of the Technoserv Management company, was under suspicion of mediation in giving a bribe.

The indictment says that the “unidentified” persons transferred through Ivan Xnumx thousand rubles a month through this person.

Based on the materials of the case, now the former deputy chairman of the FIU faces up to 15 years of colony and a heavy fine.

Comments

[Nycomed]

I know why he was "closed": he took little. Don't go to the fortuneteller.

[K-612-O]

Do you have clarity?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Nycomed

took a little

Not the fact that a little. Just did not share.

[Lexa-149]

Or shared a little ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Lexa-149

Or shared a little ...

Yes, what to share there? Shame alone. With the size of such a pyramid it was necessary to grab more.

[Mixanchik]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Nycomed

took a little

Not the fact that a little. Just did not share.

I agree, but he was also chosen as a sacrifice by the same FSB colonel with billions of mi ..
This system, like drug trafficking, is periodically rented out by small dealers, sometimes large ones.
Business and nothing personal.!

Based on the materials of the case, now the former deputy chairman of the FIU faces up to 15 years of colony and a heavy fine.

Then they will release on probation, or maybe not. When everything is quiet ... SYSTEM!
This, by the way, in "democratic Europe and the rest of the US" operates, but in a more flexible form .. And everyone is happy!

[Alex Justice]

Then they will release on probation, or maybe not. When everything is quiet ... SYSTEM! hi
This, by the way, in "democratic Europe and the rest of the US" operates, but in a more flexible form .. And everyone is happy!

Well featured in the American TV series Billions.

[Svarog]

Quote: Nycomed

I know why he was "closed": he took little. Don't go to the fortuneteller.

Not shared ..

[maxim947]

The deputy heads were imprisoned, albeit under investigation, and the head of the FIU? out of business? The question arises - why is it needed?

[AUL]

And the chief of trust has not lost! Reliable guy. Only here is a little naive - I did not know what his subordinates were doing.

[lwxx]

I will tell you more, the whole government has lost the confidence of the people. moreover. But no one is being planted, no one is being filmed.

[lis-ik]

Quote: lwxx

I will tell you more, the whole government has lost the confidence of the people. moreover. But no one is being planted, no one is being filmed.

Means are divided.

[Greenwood]

Quote from AUL

Reliable guy. Only here is a little naive - I did not know what his subordinates were doing.

Damn, somewhere I already heard it. Oh yes, that’s what they usually say about another guy, he’s also cool, but his subordinates get shitty, hide everything from him and corrupt him in everything.

[igorbrsv]

I took a little and did not share. Go live for two hundred tr. per month. Unless, of course, they stood in line for him

[4ekist]

A small clarification, did not share with whom it would be necessary.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Nycomed

I know why he was "closed": he took little.

Dumped, like? Colleagues disgraced by rates?

[Vol4ara]

Medvedev himself has lost pressure, and long ago

[Sergei 777]

Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

[Nycomed]

And what is "people"? Some kind of undefined substance. But the PRIME, this is something, this is our ALL!

[Gray brother]

Quote: Sergey 777

Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

On this basis it is impossible. Without a referendum, at least, since only with its help can one learn about the real trust of the people.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Gray Brother

No referendum at least

And who will hold it, Sergey? Just do not need to say that there is an instrument prescribed by law. It does not work, this tool, because the helm has one command.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And who will hold it, Sergey?

Like who? But we are full of fighters for the Beautiful and Bright Russia of the Future - let one of them be honored and collect 2 million signatures.
Here, people write that Medvedev has lost the confidence of the PEOPLE, that is, the whole nation without exception, and this is 146 million, because they will not have problems.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Just do not need to say that there is an instrument prescribed by law. It does not work, this tool,

Just do not need excuses cheap.
To begin with, you need to collect 2 million signatures, and then (if the authorities send them to the stump) to talk about "the instrument does not work", and in court and with media coverage - they love it.

There you are. Useless.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gray Brother

Like who? But we are full of fighters for the Beautiful and Bright Russia of the Future - let one of them be honored and collect 2 million signatures.

They collected for the abolition of the pension reform .. the truth was late, they did not meet the deadlines, well, that was what was planned .. However, they didn’t conduct the referendum, it will turn out that way, I want to twist the twist and turn ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: Svarog

For the abolition of pension reform collected.

I don’t know who was collecting what and how much, but it doesn’t work like that. For holding a referendum on the abolition of raising the retirement age, it was necessary to collect, if this was not done, it means that such a task did not stand initially.

You can collect at least 10 million signatures "for the cancellation of the reform" - but these will be signatures of the 14th part of the population, which is not an absolute majority and has no force.
And the opinion of the majority should be revealed in a referendum, and not by "collecting signatures" by the moronic.

[Svarog]

Quote: Gray Brother

And the opinion of the majority should be revealed in a referendum, and not by "collecting signatures" by the moronic.

So in the end they didn’t hold a referendum, they closed this topic .. and they won’t hold any referendum that is not profitable for the authorities. There will be a bunch of pretexts and everyone will eventually be let down on the brakes ..

[Gray brother]

Quote: Svarog

So in the end, they didn’t hold a referendum,

And no one collected signatures for the referendum. Collected stupidly "for the cancellation."
I wrote about this above. Try reading again.

Quote: Svarog

eventually lower the brakes ..

About cheap excuses I also wrote above.

And yes - you are useless.

[AUL]

Quote: Gray Brother

Like who? But we are full of fighters for the Beautiful and Bright Russia of the Future - let one of them be honored and collect 2 million signatures.

Pomnitsa, she’ll find a pinsiona reforma like they gathered up 2 lemons with a tail ... It turned out, however, it was not practical to hold this event. The guarantor advised.

[Gray brother]

Quote from AUL

Naschet Pinsionai Reforms as be sabrali enti 2 lemons with a tail

There was such a moment that it was necessary to submit documents to the CEC and generally work with him - neither the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, nor "Fair Russia" were engaged in such nonsense - the deadlines set by law were out and that's it.
And that they should have done, not Putin.
The Communist Party is still collecting signatures, as far as I know, it is not clear why the truth is.

Well I say - such a goal did not initially exist.

[GELEZNII_KAPUT]

Just do not need excuses cheap.
To begin with, you need to collect 2 million signatures, and then (if the authorities send them to the stump) to talk about "the instrument does not work", and in court and with media coverage - they love it.

If it could be so, the opposition would have gathered them a long time ago and took a steam bath at that!

[igorbrsv]

Opposition to the trough wanted. The elections were over and got sick. Nobody even now bothers trying to collect signatures for the referendum.

[igorbrsv]

If the opposition were really interested in caring for the people, they would consolidate around someone, even the Communist Party. But they organized an elementary race for who has the right to collect votes in order to hang around the feeder in the elections .. And on this score, there are many obstacles. This is the statement of purpose, and the procedure and deadlines for collecting signatures. Where are they now?

[Gray brother]

Quote: igorbrsv

Where are they now?

KMK someone collected a sickly database (and it is not known how it will use it) and got another reason to shout at the elections that we supposedly "were against" and thus to fool the voter.

[Nycomed]

[I]"If the opposition was really interested in taking care of the people, they would have consolidated around someone, even the Communist Party of the Russian Federation."
Do not tell my grandmother! We do not have a real, normal opposition, there was not and is not expected in the near future. As for the Communist Party, this is a gang of crooks, which, like a mutt, feeds from the hands of the Kremlin, screeching with pleasure. Nothing but nostalgia for the Soviet Union, who had died in the Bose of the USSR, is unable to offer these people. That speculate on the elderly. Rare to shameless comrades. Old Krupsky has something to be proud of in hell.

[Gray brother]

Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT

If so could

And they can’t, only on another occasion - because the people do not like them much more than Medvedev.
Because they are useless.
So you have to collect signatures from "dead souls" and fly out of elections with a whistle.

[milton]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Gray Brother

No referendum at least

And who will hold it, Sergey? Just do not need to say that there is an instrument prescribed by law. It does not work, this tool, because the helm has one command.

The tool does not work initially, because the referendum is advisory in nature!

[Stas157]

Quote: Gray Brother

Quote: Sergey 777
Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

On this basis it is impossible. No referendum at least

Why not? Can. The author of the Russian anthem, Sergei Mikhalkov, described this incident in verse. Then there were no referendum.

We see the city of Petrograd
In the seventeenth year:
A sailor is running, a soldier is running,
Shoot on the go.

Work drags a machine gun.
Now he will join the battle.
A poster hangs: “Down with the gentlemen!
Down with the landowners! ”

Carry units and regiments
Cloths of Kumach,
And ahead are the Bolsheviks,
Guards Ilyich.

October! Overthrown forever
power
Bourgeois and nobles.
So in October the dream came true
Workers and peasants.

Beautiful poems from Soviet school education, do not you find?

[Gray brother]

Quote: Stas157

We see the city of Petrograd
In the seventeenth year:
A sailor is running, a soldier is running,
Shoot on the go.

[Sergei 777]

We have not moved away from the first 17 years, the second one is definitely not necessary

[Stas157]

Quote: Sergey 777

Мы from the first 17 years have not yet departed, the second is definitely not necessary

Who are we? Give the factories, factories, steamers ... And then you "don't need". What is it, the huge victims of the Civil War have gone to dust, in vain? When the country has such wild social inequality and a huge gap in income, thanks to the policy of an oligarchic government, the idea of ​​the return of the great social achievements of the ancestors will hover more and more persistently.

[ver_]

..ag, got a civil war, executions, banditry burr government, indigenous genocide and other * charms * of life ..- even children's stories of Chukovsky were forbidden ...

[Major Yurik]

But do not ask to borrow this grundel to talk with pensioners? Not for long, enough 15 minutes, not everyone will have time to kick him even one by one! Then it will be easier to paint on the wall than to pick it out!

[Sergei 23]

What kind of grundel do you mean now ????

[Major Yurik]

Quote: Sergey 23

What kind of grundel do you mean now ????

Holy, holy, how could I encroach on a monument! I mean that innovator in sharing pensions, taking into account my beloved!

[AUL]

Quote: Major Yurik

whether to ask to borrow this grundel for conversation with pensioners?

Not proposing to start with that!

[Svarog]

Quote: Sergey 777

Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

It is impossible, the people do not trust the prime minister, but they "trust" the president, and the president trusts the prime minister .. This is such an absurd scheme.

[Pete Borisitch]

What did he annoy you with?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Pete Borisych

What did he annoy you with?

He did not annoy. He did not fulfill his promises and is completely indifferent to one of the internal functions of the state:

Social function - ensuring solidarity in society, cooperation between various sectors of society, implementation of the principle of social justice, protecting the interests of those categories of citizens who, for objective reasons, cannot independently provide a decent standard of living (people with disabilities, pensioners, mothers, children), support for housing construction, healthcare , public transport systems.

[AUL]

Quote: Sergey 777

Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

No way! You’re what you want - to drive the premieres! Give this free rein, he will kick the premiere today, and tomorrow whom?

[lis-ik]

Quote: Sergey 777

Is it possible to dismiss the prime minister in connection with the loss of public confidence?

No, you can not, he is regularly and on time divided with the roof.

[BAI]

that "unidentified" persons monthly transferred 200 rubles to Ivanov through this person.

With a "legitimate" salary of the central office of Roscosmos 400 rubles (the average for the staff - 000 people) - what is there to talk about? This is for seeds! Rogozin has not lost confidence? Or Chubais?

[yehat]

you even need to talk about it, it's just ridiculous that the official occasion is voiced
no one doubts that the cause of events has much more zeros

[Winnie76]

4,5 million in 2 years, ridiculous. The whole country with the funded part was thrown, and normal. Nobody is sitting. "There is no money, but you are holding on. And you are in a good mood ..."

[kefan]

But who will plant them, they are monuments!

[Mountain shooter]

They just found it and were able to prove it. Enough for landing. But in reality?

[ver_]

... only a guest of raw earth * calms * even the most insatiable heart ...

[asv96]

I wonder just what a bribe to get a maximum benefit pension?

[Thrifty]

So Vedmedev has long since completely and completely lost confidence in himself on the part of the Russian population, and for some reason also in power. ...

[yehat]

some small amounts were announced for this official.
for the sake of 200 thousand, he would definitely not risk being at the post where he managed billions.

[reservist]

The indictment says that “unidentified” persons monthly through this person passed to Ivanov 200 thousand each rubles.

for "small", but regular "increments" to the salary, he sent "billions" to the "right contractors" ...

[yehat]

I repeat if it is not a complete imbi_tsil, then without these handouts without straining I had much more.

[K-612-O]

So you would probably have turned around in his place?
And this is only one episode, and then the consequence, you look and even such surcharges will pop up

[reservist]

besides "kickbacks" have you come up with some other methods of stealing government money?

[yehat]

why is theft necessary?
giant flows are concentrated in human hands
just a neighborhood with them and a light insider can already make money, even if it is 100% honestly managed.
he can simply come to the economics of any university and collect term papers on the topic - how to benefit from what I have for example, a chance to get a vacancy in managing the PF.

[reservist]

Quote: yehat

... and light insider ...

Is insider information dissemination not regulated by law?

[yehat]

very weak and insider is different
for example, you know that in half a year or a year the organization will need something rare and expensive, which is not kept in warehouses
you quietly whisper to a friend that there will be a terder after this period, and in the conditions of the tender, tight delivery times. I'm not talking about the investment mechanism of the PF.
Or who is interfering, for example, for the supply of computers that are needed by tons in the PF, to create your own wholesale wholesome organization (for example, by chance buying a large share of participation there for your mother)?
A huge number of operations not regulated by law - just do not need to do what is prohibited directly. And insider - they can put him in the USA for him, but with us it’s not
crimes. There is no need to steal, it is enough just to intervene a bit in "pure" competition.
It’s just that our officials are not burdened with intellect — they steal and break the law where you can earn great money without oppressing anyone.

[reservist]

Quote: yehat

rare and expensive

that's why it is rare, because it is required infrequently, but "you always want to eat" ...

buy there a large share of participation in mom

To participate in the tender, usually required to provide documents disclosing the composition of the owners / founders ...

And insider - they can put him in the USA for him, and this is not a crime with us

Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 185.6. Misuse of insider information
1. Intentionally use of insider information for transactions with financial instruments, foreign currency and (or) goods to which such information relates, at their own expense or at the expense of a third party, as well as the deliberate use of insider information by giving recommendations to third parties, obliging or otherwise inducing them to purchase or sell financial instruments, foreign currency and (or) goods, if such use caused major damage to citizens, organizations or the state, or earns revenue or loss avoidance on a large scale -
shall be punished by a fine in the amount of three hundred thousand to five hundred thousand rubles, or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period from one year to three years, or forced labor for up to four years with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a period of up to three years or without it, or imprisonment for a term of two to four years with a fine in the amount of up to fifty thousand rubles or in the amount of the convict's salary or other income for a period of up to three months, or without it, with the deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a period of up to three years or without it.

the truth is, I don’t know who and when was judged by this article ...

[yehat]

that's it. and another big question - how to prove the fact of the insider. In the USA, with its huge practice, this can only be proved with direct evidence like "yes, I did it."
the wording of the law is often very straightforward and simple to get around.
For example, I suggest to someone, he makes a profit, then, like in a diamond hand, I dig up a conditional "treasure" and honestly pay taxes. I think this scheme has been carried out many hundreds of times.
or here is an example of an indirect bribe - I come to the same organization in the office for negotiations, their cleaner drops a bucket of water, I sue and sue the organization for a couple of billion, and the organization meekly pays.
How can the law complain about this scheme?

[reservist]

Quote: yehat

How can the law complain about this scheme?

probably applying the Federal Law "On the State Civil Service of the Russian Federation". Article 59.2. Dismissal due to loss of confidence ...

[yehat]

This article is about the feudal oath, and not about the cleanliness of officials.

[reservist]

if this article is about the "feudal oath", then why did they write about the conflict of interest in it?

[yehat]

I don’t know, but it works precisely in the context of feudal loyalty, and not a democratic open reputation

[Pete Borisitch]

There is not much money. a simple hard worker understands this. )))

[Winnie76]

Thanks Dima

[Loess]

Based on the materials of the case, now the former deputy chairman of the FIU faces up to 15 years of colony and a heavy fine.

Maybe there Ulyukaev will meet ... Sit ... Chat ...

[yehat]

Quote: K-612-O

So you would probably have turned around in his place?
And this is only one episode, and then the consequence, you look and even such surcharges will pop up

I would be in his place completely legal and without prejudice to the budget would have 10 million per month.

[Svarog]

Quote: yehat

I would be in his place completely legal and without prejudice to the budget would have 10 million per month.

You don’t think that he managed with two hundred thousand .. he had it both legally and illegally .. Here he would have voiced his property, accounts, etc., compared with the official RFP and everything would be clear .. well, plus to everything a cash suitcase in dollars somewhere buried on a rainy day

[Mihail55]

The prime minister’s suspicious activity before the September 8 elections ... Does the ELECTION mean anything else in Russia ???

[Nycomed]

"Do the ELECTIONS really mean something in Russia ???"
Moreover, they (elections) still, it turns out, are there!

[Igoresha]

what a bastard this deputy head is. But the prime minister is on the alert

[Nycomed]

I was very impressed by the names of family members! As the saying goes, "As you name the boat, so it will float!" That's great! RESPECT!

[Lexa-149]

And why didn’t they send the chairman himself to the bunk ?!

[iouris]

Comrade Beria went out of confidence and Comrade Malenkov kicked him.

[Rust]

Another act of "fight" against corruption. Recently I read for the head of the FIU, about income and expenses. There is a difference. An order of magnitude, or two orders of magnitude. Not the point. Income and expenses vary greatly. But apparently everything is honestly earned. The deputy just let the villain down. Defiled the FIU. But seriously, it burns out in earnest from all the chaos and chaos. At work, I see or hear from people regularly for kickbacks and extortion at all levels. That ROSNEFT, which is no longer quite ROS. That at the UEC plant, and even at the dairy plant, managers manage to squeeze out of contractors. Unpleasant topic. You can talk a lot. How to change an open question.

[Alex Justice]

How to change the question open.

As they did in Singapore. They killed corruption in a couple of years. It would be a desire.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

Well, if he did his job poorly and they removed him for this, they also brought the investigation. Well then, it was logical to return the retirement age as it was before.

[Million]

But what, will there be a choice on election day?
Vote is one thing, but how to count is another ...

[rocket757]

And the result of their taxiing \ board what ???
any of their actions causes a negative!
I wonder why this is.

[New Year day]

can Medvedev be fired for losing confidence?

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Silvestr

can Medvedev be fired for losing confidence?

"Who will fire him? He is a monument!" (almost a quote)

[Elephant]

For two whole years they passed 200 thousand?! Yes, and the faces are not installed ?! Yes, and with the mediation of the FSB. The plot is famously twisted, just some kind of Santa barbora turns out!

[Chaldon48]

That's what he lacked, because without these bribes rowing from the treasury is money, plus all sorts of benefits. A well-fed horse misses a whip.

[Sayan]

Even a bit small against the background of the colonels took))))

[NF68]

Not grabbed at the rank?

[Vladimir61]

And here "the matter is moving towards elections"? Until the court ruling, he is only a suspect. Apparently there is complete confidence in the materials of the investigation and the subsequent conviction of the court. In the meantime, he is not convicted and not dismissed, then he is obliged to charge a salary. He may be under investigation for a year or more, and the salary will "drip".

[private person]

So, today it became known that the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, Dmitry Medvedev, relieved Aleksey Ivanov, deputy head of the FIU.

The ends are hiding, he did his own thing, allegedly brought a case against him, and in fact he was taken out of attack. There is no money but you hold on !!!

[Antokha]

The indictment says that the “unidentified” persons transferred through Ivan Xnumx thousand rubles a month through this person.
Based on the materials of the case, now the former deputy chairman of the FIU faces up to 15 years of colony and a heavy fine.

If for this 15 years, then those who steal billions, there should be no other punishment than execution.

[Vasyan1971]

The investigation claims that the deputy chairman of the Russian Pension Fund "for patronage" of some unidentified persons received 4,4 million rubles in the period from 2017 to 2019.

It is noted that the bribe was especially large in size.

But it is interesting: in comparison with the salary of this villain, the bribe is 4,4 million rubles. is "especially large" in a little over two years? Percentage. Or is his salary - in itself "especially large"?

[yfast]

200 thousand per month deputy chairman? Yes, this is not even enough for daily shirts.

[Berkut24]

And the rest of the Pension Fund, therefore, showed brilliant results and is credible. Small sacrificial sheep for the election. Pensioners from it are neither cold, nor hot, nor bread on the table.

[lis-ik]

Today it became known that the government, after raising the retirement age, expressed dissatisfaction with the work of a single representative of the Pension Fund.

Why so? Are there fewer interest holders (partners) in the pyramid?

[Langf]

He cocked his brother, pretending that this swamp did not bloom with his labors. Type walked for himself, walked, and then towards the bam! - Quakin! Already chestnuts instead of apples rushing! ..

[Yarik]

Quote from AUL

And the chief of trust has not lost! Reliable guy. Only here is a little naive - I did not know what his subordinates were doing.

He’s just someone’s relative, just like Taburekin

[Awaz]

For many years, the FIU has been a hole for billions of rubles. It has long been clear to any person that all this goes on not without the participation of management. And finally it came to Dimon. Although, most likely - this is just a desire to let off steam from the population. Distract, so to speak, from more unpleasant topics that in this very population begin to take shape in the head.
Now, if this dude was sent to Vyatka camps for Sorda for 10 years, then it was still possible to remember Dimon as a good word. Although he does not decide all this.

[mark021105]

To me alone the wording "unidentified persons" seems strange? The persons "were not identified," but they were "established" that these very individuals had given bribes ... Some kind of nonsense ...

[sgr291158]

You already lost all confidence there, led by Medvedev. They drove people into such an ass that it’s hard to imagine.

[Romanenko]

Luzhkov lost the confidence of Medvedev when he refused to lobby for a second term, and this one probably brought little money.
In fact, our prime minister himself long ago completely lost the trust of the people and the country as a whole, didn’t he think about it?

[syndicalist]

Quote: lwxx

I will tell you more, the whole government has lost the confidence of the people. moreover.

Only trust in the president is growing and growing