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In Kiev, too, they wanted the US military base, "as in Poland"

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Ukraine should deploy a US military base on its territory, and also ask them for help in creating medium- and long-range missiles. This was stated by the Director of the Diplomatic Academy at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Sergey Korsunsky, writes Politnavigator.


In Kiev, too, they wanted the US military base, "as in Poland"


According to Korsunsky, Ukraine should draw up for itself a list of points on which it will be useful for the United States, in order to subsequently strengthen the presence of the American army in Ukraine.

This is a very serious task that requires a solution at the highest political level. (...) The experience that we gain in the war with Russia is invaluable to the American army. They did not directly encounter either the Soviet or Russian army

- he said.

The Ukrainian diplomat proposes to raise the question of building a US military base in Ukraine, following the example of neighboring Poland, and thereby solve the country's national security problem.

Under Ochakov, with the help of the United States, a new naval base for the Ukrainian fleet (...) so that American ships can enter. I believe that we should generally raise the question of building a US military base in Ukraine, as Poland did. That would solve our security problem no worse than NATO membership.

- explained Korsunsky.

He also drew attention to the fact that the agreement on the elimination of intermediate and shorter-range missiles, which "unties the hands of Ukraine," has expired. According to him, now Kiev, in cooperation with Washington, should begin to develop a missile weaponswhich "will reach the sensitive points of the enemies of Ukraine."

For this we have both technological and industrial potential. In this regard, our cooperation with the United States may be beneficial to both parties.

- stressed the Ukrainian diplomat.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 August 2019 10: 50
    +13
    There is one condition. Put all the leadership on the plane and fly to Smolensk.
    1. Vladimir16
      Vladimir16 20 August 2019 10: 55
      +2
      Ukrainian managers are afraid. They are afraid of reprisal. But mattresses will not protect. Khokhl. We ourselves are nightmares, without help.
      Mattress do not go. There will be no base there.
      1. bayard
        bayard 20 August 2019 11: 54
        +9
        Quote: Vladimir16
        There will be no base there.

        It is already being built there. US Military Engineering In Ochakovo.
        Poles and Ukrainians do not come up with such ideas themselves - on command.
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 20 August 2019 12: 37
          +4
          Quote: bayard
          It is already being built there. US Military Engineering In Ochakovo.

          Already a year. And nichrome is not built.
          A pair of wire-frame sortings were set and settled down. Compare with the base in Novorossiysk - that’s where it really was built.
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 August 2019 12: 56
            +1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            And nichrome is not built.
            A pair of wireframe sortings

            So it’s a risky investment. Well, how will LDNR break into the offensive, or will Russia get tired of enduring this mess. At the sight of coastal complexes and naval aviation, enthusiasm ... will fade.
            But the desire remains.
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Compare with the base in Novorossiysk - that’s where it really was built.

            So already in Tartus you can see - under construction.

            Not sure they are - dumb in the Black Sea to caress.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox 21 August 2019 09: 37
              0
              Well, what for the skakuasam more and fool the Achk-Yankes substitute for our mini-nuclear bombing?
              The longer they bombard LDNR, the sooner Russia will get tired of it and they will get such a flurry of fire at their positions that their own shelling of Donetsk will seem to them by their own fireworks ...
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 20 August 2019 21: 19
          0
          Quote: bayard
          Poles and Ukrainians do not come up with such ideas themselves - on command.

          for sure. it’s only for the Poles and Khokhlov that it doesn’t occur to them that, in which case, they will rake the lyuley one by one, without teams and support from outside ?!
          the litter was, the litter and perish
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 August 2019 21: 35
            0
            They are not used to it.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 August 2019 23: 14
          0
          I believe that we should generally raise the question of building a US military base in Ukraine
          "But where does Zin's money come from?" After all, "fin whales" build at the expense of the person asking.
      2. iouris
        iouris 20 August 2019 13: 52
        -3
        Quote: Vladimir16
        Mattress do not go. There will be no base there.

        And if so, who will answer?
      3. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 20 August 2019 14: 38
        +1
        Over in Crimea they already tried to build their base ... and where is the Crimea now?))) I think the same thing will happen with the rest of Ukraine if they just don't start talking there, but really build it.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 21 August 2019 08: 13
          +1
          will happen with the rest of Ukraine .... this is unlikely. Crimea was tightly pro-Russian. because they kept their history, they keep it and they will keep and preserve it, and the rest of Ukraine has been decommunized. Do you need decommunized castrates?
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 21 August 2019 09: 42
          0
          The base in Ochakovo has already been built, and the Americans will be the first to pick up the first lyulee at this base - have they already been warned that this will be so?
          Warned. So, they will receive the promised (and they will wait not 3 years, but less). laughing
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 47
      +1
      In Kiev, too, they wanted the US military base, "as in Poland"

      They have long wanted and in NATU if they do not take in NATU, then at least put a base on their territory .. The thieves Ukrainian elite want to have a roof in the form of a US base, which would further arrange genocide and theft of Ukrainians .. It is naive to believe that the Americans are for Bendera will die ..
      1. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 20 August 2019 12: 28
        +4
        the case of Andriy Bulba lives on and thrives, "we will betray and sell everything we can, and at least the grass won't grow there," and most importantly, why? Let us not say anything about the fact that the technologies they still use and are going to use against us are not their personal merit, and the work of a huge country, including their unloved "aggressor" (and mainly his), it is good that the nuclear weapons were taken from these utyrks, this could not be left to the inadequate.
      2. dSK
        dSK 20 August 2019 12: 39
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        It is naive to believe that the Americans will die for Bendera ..
        States are expanding bridgeheads. In modern Ukraine, corrupt officials will sell everything for the "thirty". They will voice the wishes of their "sponsors". A continuous "show", it looks like Ukraine is accepted into NATO at its request. The tight-fisted Trump will still force the Ukrainians, as well as the Poles, to finance the construction of the base. Then the "cannon meat" - the local population of Maidan will be sent into battle.
        1. PalBor
          PalBor 20 August 2019 13: 39
          0
          But where does Ukraine get the money from? Kolomoisky will not. If only they will pay with earth and blood.
          And Trump just will not be wasted.
          1. dSK
            dSK 20 August 2019 14: 01
            +3
            Quote: PalBor
            But where did Ukraine get the money from?

            Make to borrow. The greater the debt, the thicker the rope around the debtor's neck. bully
            1. PalBor
              PalBor 20 August 2019 14: 07
              +1
              It is also an option.
    3. 4ekist
      4ekist 20 August 2019 15: 08
      0
      Better to those places where it is cold in the summer, even in a coat.
  2. IL-18
    IL-18 20 August 2019 10: 51
    +8
    However, the Poles are ready to pay the Americans money for placing the base with them, but about the Ukrainians ... They may not have enough "mentality" to pay yes
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 20 August 2019 11: 01
      0
      Quote: IL-18
      However, the Poles are ready to pay the Americans money for placing the base with them, but about the Ukrainians ... They may not have enough "mentality" to pay yes

      The Poles have no money at the base for the Americans. If they squander, then the Germans can cut the budget.
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 20 August 2019 11: 11
        0
        Hohlogabon he is hohlogabon! negative The Yankees have nothing to offer the Kaklams except their ass and land! Well, the choice of the Yankees' asses is like in a parade, and the Bandera stanchion, if necessary, they themselves will take and not ask! fool
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 20 August 2019 12: 49
          0
          Insanity grows stronger! )))
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 August 2019 23: 24
        0
        Quote: sir.jonn
        However, the Poles are ready to pay the Americans money for placing the base with them,

        That's how everyone pays, the Balts for sure. Barracks, housing, airfields. On this, local officials make a small "zuhenwei". Therefore, the accommodation is beneficial.
    2. Elysium
      Elysium 20 August 2019 11: 09
      +2
      So they are not in cash, but in kind. So it’s easier for them. lol
      1. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 20 August 2019 11: 34
        0
        Quote: Elysium
        So they are not in cash, but in kind. So it’s easier for them. lol

        Trump made it clear that there will be no freebie, and so much money is spent on their nature.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 August 2019 23: 26
        0
        Quote: Elysium
        So they are not in cash, but in kind.

        We do not pay in cash for used goods, only in kind.
  3. Victor_B
    Victor_B 20 August 2019 10: 52
    +2
    Debiloid Maydaunas!
    Substitute for a nuclear strike!
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 20 August 2019 10: 54
      0
      Before the "s", it was probably written "stmpathic"? laughing
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 20 August 2019 10: 55
        +1
        Quote: IL-18
        Before "s", apparently it was written "stmpatichn"? laughing

        The site observes the culture.
    2. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 20 August 2019 11: 05
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Debiloid Maydaunas!
      Substitute for a nuclear strike!

      Why disfigure the earth? It will come in handy. Enough for a separate base and conventional ammunition.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 20 August 2019 11: 08
        0
        Quote: sir.jonn
        Enough for a separate base and conventional ammunition.

        Yes stop it!
        We cannot have a non-nuclear conflict with the states.
        Toys toss ...
        1. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 20 August 2019 11: 26
          0
          Quote: Victor_B
          Quote: sir.jonn
          Enough for a separate base and conventional ammunition.

          Yes stop it!
          We cannot have a non-nuclear conflict with the states.
          Toys toss ...

          There are no options! If objects appear in Ukraine as in the Polish Redzikovo or Turkish Incirlik, then they cannot avoid tactical ammunition. But there are objects for which it is unnecessary to use JBCh.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 August 2019 23: 28
            0
            Quote: sir.jonn
            If objects appear in Ukraine as in Polish Redzikovo

            Is that a monkey with a grenade again?
      2. Ezekiel 25-17
        Ezekiel 25-17 20 August 2019 16: 56
        0
        Quote: sir.jonn
        Quote: Victor_B
        Debiloid Maydaunas!
        Substitute for a nuclear strike!

        Why disfigure the earth? It will come in handy. Enough for a separate base and conventional ammunition.

        It depends on what the base is: if there is such an object as in Romania, then the solution is unambiguous. Well, in the case of a big mess, Ukraine
        in principle, we cannot leave behind our backs, since they are hostile to us. I refer lovers of sentimental nonsense to the film "Afghan Breakdown". The episode with the boy.
    3. Normal ok
      Normal ok 20 August 2019 11: 49
      0
      Quote: Victor_B
      Debiloid Maydaunas!
      Substitute for a nuclear strike!

      You need to be a moron to think that Russia will deliver a nuclear strike in the immediate vicinity of its territory.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 20 August 2019 12: 43
        0
        Quote: Normal ok
        You need to be a moron to think that Russia will deliver a nuclear strike in the immediate vicinity of its territory.

        It depends on what. If there is a repository of tactical nuclear weapons there, for example, it will do so easily because in case of incomplete destruction of the object, the consequences will be much harder.
        Or, for example, if non-nuclear weapons deployed at the facility threaten nuclear facilities in the Russian Federation, the same thing.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 20 August 2019 11: 00
    +1
    It’s like a big one, I shouldn’t have to skip over the areas .... or did I try on the pan and .... I couldn’t / didn’t want to take it off?
  5. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 20 August 2019 11: 03
    +1
    Traitors, they are traitors in history.
    That Mazepa, that Poroshenko.
    History will put everything in place, and God will give them what they deserve.
    But they are not all the people of Ukraine.
    And the circus of Maydanutykh clowns bothered normal people.
  6. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 20 August 2019 11: 05
    +6
    I honestly thought at the beginning that Ze would make reforms in the economy and try to stop the war. So much time has passed and nothing - an oligarchic litter. They will never enter the EU with this feudal state.
    1. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 20 August 2019 11: 25
      +5
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I honestly thought at the beginning that Ze would make reforms in the economy and try to stop the war. So much time has passed and nothing - an oligarchic litter. They will never enter the EU with this feudal state.

      What naive people !! I thought that the readers of the VO website had already understood in 5 years that the turmoil in Ukraine would take a long time. In my humble theory, it is even possible to create a "European Afghanistan" there, especially in Western Ukraine: there are mountains, the climate is not as cold as in Russia, more or less can last 3 months of winter, where not every day is frosty. Plus, Russian-speaking Ukrainians are in no hurry to see their light, and will lament that they were conquered by the agricultural and embroidered culture of the village. Probably, the last generation of the 90s, who were taught by post-Soviet Russian teachers, will pass away, and those who had nowhere to return to the Russian Federation, when the party told them: "Go to the Ukrainian SSR to help the brotherly people fly to the stars and sciences, at the same time, take Antonov KB from Novosib with you! "
      So the next generation nurtured in total Ukrainian education is assimilating. And there will be - the steppe European Afghanistan with Rusisms, and the mountain, almost Polish. The military base to be there! But not the fact that American. The USA has enough problems.
      By the way, in Western Ukraine they love religious holidays. Conservatives are still those. Sundays do not work.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 20 August 2019 12: 31
        +1
        In 1993, in the North, I ran into builders from Rovno. They spoke Russian perfectly, everyone graduated from the Soviet school, and by age they were still quite young people of 20-30 years old. But the "Moskals" were hated fiercely, all these Bandera ideas sat in their heads so tightly that "Mama do not cry." Hence the question: how did it happen that these people were born, brought up and studied in the Soviet Union? Why was this "Soyuz" needed?
        1. Nevsky_ZU
          Nevsky_ZU 20 August 2019 13: 48
          0
          Quote: Nycomed
          In 1993, in the North, I ran into builders from Rovno. They spoke Russian perfectly, everyone graduated from the Soviet school, and by age they were still quite young people of 20-30 years old. But the "Moskals" were hated fiercely, all these Bandera ideas sat in their heads so tightly that "Mama do not cry." Hence the question: how did it happen that these people were born, brought up and studied in the Soviet Union? Why was this "Soyuz" needed?

          You were dealing with a generation that knew Soviet Russia from textbooks, Russian teachers in Rivne, whom the party sent there, and that generation saw the USSR.
          And now there they have left even more in mythology. In Ukraine, they like to trump, they say Russians in Russia, they think that in Ukraine they beat him in the face for the Russian language and are forbidden to speak it! Although it is a question of the right to write in clerical work in Russian, and the right to the history of May 9 in his native land, where Bandera’s movement has historically not been. They do not like it when you specify these details for them. They begin to hysteria, cite Chechnya as an example. Forgetting to clarify that their language is guaranteed in Chechnya, like religion, their streets are not called Stalin, nor are monuments.
          1. Nycomed
            Nycomed 20 August 2019 14: 00
            0
            Yes, I would like to look at those comrades who would have thought to erect a monument to Stalin in Grozny and to name a street in honor of Stalin. fool
          2. Nycomed
            Nycomed 20 August 2019 14: 03
            -1
            "It was you who still dealt with the generation that knew Soviet Russia from textbooks, Russian teachers in Rovno, whom the party sent there, and that generation saw the USSR."
            That's right, that's the point! Really, after school, after the "correct" lessons, they stuffed completely different things into their heads at home? request
          3. Nycomed
            Nycomed 20 August 2019 14: 06
            -1
            Yes, I would like to look at those comrades who would try to erect a monument to Stalin in Grozny and name a street in his honor. fool
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 20 August 2019 11: 06
    +3
    They don’t understand that as a result of the occupation by the marikas all of Ukraine will become one big target that even the Black Sea fleet is able to destroy three times? Understand, in genes sits to be someone's slaves. Such as Zyuzya and beggar have room to run. Yaytsenyukh an example. And the rest maydanutye what are they hoping for?
  8. Dude
    Dude 20 August 2019 11: 08
    +1
    ... terminated the treaty on the elimination of intermediate and shorter-range missiles, which "unties the hands of Ukraine." According to him, now Kiev, in cooperation with Washington, should start developing missile weapons ...

    Haberdashery and cardinal - this is power! (from) wink
  9. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 20 August 2019 11: 15
    0
    The experience that we gain in the war with Russia is invaluable to the American army.

    Yes, yes. Teach the U.S. Army how to cook in boilers. It’s very useful.
    Ukraine should deploy a US military base on its territory, and also ask them for help in creating medium- and long-range missiles.

    From the beginning they want to ask for help. Beggars.
    For this we have both technological and industrial potential. In this regard, our cooperation with the United States may be beneficial to both parties.

    And then they talk about some kind of industrial potential. By the way, how is Neptune doing there? Something is quiet. For some reason, they want to put the French Exocet anti-ship missiles on the new corvettes. It turns out unpatriotic. For the USA, what is the benefit?
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 20 August 2019 11: 23
    +2
    The Ukrainian diplomatic corps clearly reflects the state of the country as a whole. A diplomat wants to see the American base in his country, so what diplomat is he in?
    The experience that we gain in the war with Russia is invaluable to the American army.
    If you really started to fight with Russia, you would not have made not only stupid statements, but not any.
  11. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 20 August 2019 11: 25
    +2
    It seems like a respectable person, a diplomat, but take a closer look .. another gorlopanoe .. mmm ..
    misunderstanding .. He is a case of the notorious Tryukhan not a relative?
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 20 August 2019 12: 35
      0
      professionalism "rolls over" and the saucepan presses on the head all the time))
  12. Romario_Argo
    Romario_Argo 20 August 2019 11: 26
    +1
    all these figures - the enemies of our state - and destroy the enemies, wherever they are
  13. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 11: 28
    -1
    The Ukrainian diplomat proposes to raise the question of building a US military base in Ukraine, following the example of neighboring Poland, and thereby solve the country's national security problem.

    They just won’t solve the problem, but will only aggravate their situation, there will be another missile target. And when they understand this, it will be too late to change anything. Now they will still sell their lands and then for sure, they can forget about their dream.
  14. Sonmaster
    Sonmaster 20 August 2019 11: 31
    +3
    "Ukraine should draw up a list of items on which it will be useful for the United States"
    Point No. 1 - Prostitution ....
  15. SHIPS
    SHIPS 20 August 2019 11: 37
    -10
    I looked through all the comments :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    Well done, Ukrainians also read this and are convinced that they are right, we must stay away from Russia. However, both Poles and Georgians read.
    The Balts understood this before :-)
    1. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 20 August 2019 11: 57
      +2
      In which bunker have you already hid from Russia? Share valuable information with the Baltic states, Poland, Ukraine.
    2. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 20 August 2019 12: 46
      0
      stay away, otherwise give jobs to the citizens of these superpowers, give them energy for 2 kopecks (moreover, when the price becomes close to the market, a screech of oppression starts, although there is no connection between oppression and insolvency), and in return, thanks to you at the door impose and gopotu planetary scale pulled up.
  16. Dikson
    Dikson 20 August 2019 11: 47
    +1
    Excuse me, is Ukraine officially at war with Russia? Right here WARS? It’s the ambassador who says so .. Then why, according to the laws of wartime, still so many citizens of the enemy state feel great in Russia? And why has the head of Gazprom not yet been shot to such a mother for supplying strategic resources to a hostile state? And the states will not build a base "like in Poland" in Ukraine .. Why would they? They will do it for the Navy, and the missiles will fly from Polish bases ...
  17. Aliken
    Aliken 20 August 2019 11: 48
    +2
    In these inflamed minds, such searchlights will constantly give birth, it is time to move troops to Kiev, it is better to get by with little blood, then it will be harder to settle in the garden.
  18. Prahlad
    Prahlad 20 August 2019 12: 13
    0
    In this regard, Russia should take an example from Israel and defend its interests in the region! If necessary, then run calibers on these bases, etc.
  19. ghby
    ghby 20 August 2019 12: 22
    0
    I believe that we should generally raise the question of building a US military base in Ukraine, as Poland did. That would solve the problem of our security no worse than NATO membership.

    Well, yes, as soon as they agree on the construction of a US military base on the territory of Ukraine and decide on the implementation of this plan, the question of the whole of Ukraine will be resolved immediately. Earlier, a decision was made about the US base in the Crimea - Crimea was lost. It remains to lose the country. In the Best case, the center of the country will be left behind, without access to the Black Sea ... But it seems that the stripes will not take such a step. For there will be such a change: the Stripes’s desire to have a base in Ukraine for a complete solution of the issue with Ukraine, in which what remains of Ukraine can no longer be used against us, and maybe nothing will remain. And there are enough bases around us.
    1. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 20 August 2019 14: 42
      +1
      The response could be the deployment of a military base of the Russian Armed Forces in Venezuela .....
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
        SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 15: 34
        0
        And even better in Cuba, there is already a platform for this.
  20. Ezekiel 25-17
    Ezekiel 25-17 20 August 2019 12: 53
    +1
    The author, replace the title, I suggest: "Kiev, like Poland, dreams of becoming a target for Russian missiles with special warheads."
  21. Alexey from Perm
    Alexey from Perm 20 August 2019 13: 07
    +1
    Bad all the same, the KGB worked at one time, as it missed such shots, it had to cut down the forest ..
  22. Azazelo
    Azazelo 20 August 2019 13: 27
    +2
    Of course they want. If not for the referendum in Crimea, there would have been a NATO base, or rather the United States.
  23. Chersky
    Chersky 20 August 2019 13: 27
    +1
    Another bruised ...
  24. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 20 August 2019 14: 41
    0
    Political forgiveness ... ki in Ukraine are afraid, this can be seen from everything. Yes, they would have taken and officially declared Ukraine one of the states of the USA and you would have both a base of the US Armed Forces and missiles and everything, only the state of Ukraine will no longer be.
  25. NF68
    NF68 20 August 2019 15: 51
    0
    Serf, you soul. If anything, then it will get first of all to Ukraine and its population. And only then the USA.
  26. Fitter65
    Fitter65 20 August 2019 16: 15
    0
    Ukraine should deploy a US military base on its territory, and also ask them for help in creating medium- and long-range missiles. This was stated by the Director of the Diplomatic Academy at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Sergey Korsunsky,
    That's how funny people are, well, you would think how Ukraine has money for placing an American base? After all, it is not the Americans who have to pay for the maintenance of the base, the authorities of the country in whose territory the American base is located are obliged to pay ...
  27. lis-ik
    lis-ik 20 August 2019 17: 07
    0
    According to Korsunsky, Ukraine should draw up for itself a list of items on which it will be useful for the United States,

    That's it. Too much more. Bend over and set up.
  28. smart fellow
    smart fellow 20 August 2019 17: 20
    +1
    In Germany, a belt of brothels was created around American bases. After that, Germany became famous for its porn movies. Now, Ukrainian prostitutes will not have to go to Europe! And help will come to Ukrainian gays and help will come for them. Great success awaits Ukrainian cinema.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 21 August 2019 09: 09
      +1
      a belt of brothels was created around American bases. .. a note. still fantakstishn. and there will be a full minced meat in ukraine, "uncle and uncle" "aunt and aunt" "many uncles and many aunts" plus "ZOO" and for special and "NECRO"
  29. savage1976
    savage1976 21 August 2019 00: 47
    0
    And it seems to me that it is necessary to issue a specific message, an American base outside Ukraine = planting poplars, clubs, yars, sarmatians in the United States .. And then let them think what is more important to them.