Life has become better - how many sausages in stores

According to official statistics, the dry numbers of which are regularly given to us by various media, most Russians trust the current government, led by President Vladimir Putin, and believe that the last 10-15 years in Russia have become much better. Especially when compared with previous years, when Soviet people stood idle in lines for a piece of "dog" sausage for days.


Life has become better - how many sausages in stores


It is this idea that sounds from the lips of those who are used to measuring the standard of living and technological achievements by the presence of shop windows with products of not always unambiguous origin:

Life has become better - how many sausages!

At first glance, the assertion that life in Russia has become better is indisputable, as evidenced by the beautiful signs of shopping centers, the abundance of goods on the shelves of supermarkets, traffic jams of hundreds of cars stretched for tens of kilometers, beautiful photos from a vacation spent in foreign countries resorts that are full of social networks.

The host of “Prime Numbers” Oleg Komolov is sure that all these and other attributes of a consumer society hinder the average person, often form a distorted picture of reality surrounding us. Social networks, by their function, most often show the best in the life of an average person. What is this screen from Instagram and Facebook?

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  1. farrux_2606 20 August 2019 10: 55 New
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    Bullshit, life got better
    1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 07 New
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      Especially when compared with previous years, when Soviet people stood idle in lines for a piece of "dog" sausage for days.


      There was such a problem that now looks ridiculous .. Now there is sausage, but from which it is, it is a separate issue and many have no money for it .. This is one of the mistakes of the USSR, it was necessary to give the opportunity to small and medium-sized businesses .. under state control .. and everything would be and clothes and sausages and passionaries would find themselves .. Our family bought a beautiful, delicious sausage, which was produced by a small businessman, without a queue and at an affordable price .. in the early 80's it was.
      1. Loess 20 August 2019 11: 18 New
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        Quote: Svarog
        Our family bought a wonderful, delicious sausage, which was produced by a small businessman, without a queue and at an affordable price .. at the beginning of the 80's it was.

        And my family saw an ordinary loaf only when relatives from St. Petersburg came and brought ... This is despite the fact that there was a bakery in 5 kilometers, which baked nothing besides bread. I won’t say anything about sausage, because everyone in the village grew their own meat for themselves, but I doubt that it (sausage in the sense) appeared in our stores more often than loaves ... Also, by the way, 80s ...
        PS And yet it was not right to ruin the country for the sake of sausage. Any difficulties can be overcome without destroying the state.
        1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 19 New
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          PS And yet it was not right to ruin the country for the sake of sausage. Any difficulties can be overcome without destroying the state.

          I agree .. the heirs of Khrushchev ruined the country when it was just necessary to correct the course on time ..
          1. Loess 20 August 2019 11: 28 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            I agree .. the heirs of Khrushchev

            It’s stupid to blame everything on Khrushchev. Where, then, were the "heirs" of Stalin?
            1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 38 New
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              It’s stupid to blame everything on Khrushchev. Where, then, were the "heirs" of Stalin?

              They killed ... Beria was killed, Stalin most likely too, Stalin would have surely left an heir, he knew people ... but apparently he was not going to die.
          2. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 27 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            I agree .. the heirs of Khrushchev ruined the country when it was just necessary to correct the course on time ..

            and Khrushchev seems to have appeared out of nowhere.
            He is the heir to Stalin. request
        2. Berber 20 August 2019 11: 35 New
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          I do not like "extreme" opinions. Something was good in the USSR, something in modern Russia. In general, I believe that now, we live better. And the indicator is not only "sausage".
          And by the way, critics of our time, mostly young people about 30. Which did not see the previous life. For example, dentistry of the USSR, it causes a trembling in my knees.
          1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 56 New
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            Quote: BerBer
            For example, dentistry of the USSR, it causes a trembling in my knees.

            Also say that the line for installing the phone was .. The world has changed a lot and equipment including ..
          2. Reptiloid 20 August 2019 13: 48 New
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            Quote: BerBer
            Something was good in the USSR, something in modern Russia. In general, I believe that now, we live better.

            It's better. And who exactly is better? How much better did those who used to live in small towns live? And where do they live? Are those villagers better off where the village has no school and first-aid post? Why did the improvement happen? The former republics did not begin to feed? Yes, it’s significant, but somehow the market decided unevenly.
            In a few years it will be specifically seen how many people do not live up to retirement, having paid pension contributions all their life .....
            1. Berber 20 August 2019 16: 36 New
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              In the USSR, pensions were also not all right. My grandmother, plowing on the farm received 25 p. pensions. This is in 1982. There will always be an infringement. No need to idealize the USSR. There, poverty was the norm for many.
              1. Reptiloid 20 August 2019 17: 27 New
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                Probably it is necessary to say what years? How basically people lived, what was the norm then, and what now. I read how housing standards were calculated in the 50s, when the Khrushchev began and a little later.
                At the same time, housing standards after the revolution were different. less. Even in the rooms to the families the settlers settled.
                I recalled that there were schools for working professions where students were fed and dressed at the expense of the state. Such was the support to families.
                1. _Sergei_ 20 August 2019 18: 29 New
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                  There were prof. those colleges, where they had their own uniforms and three meals a day, and were given nonresident dormitories. Accepted from 14 years.
                  1. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 33 New
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                    Quote: _Sergey_
                    There were prof. those colleges, where they had their own uniforms and three meals a day, and were given nonresident dormitories. Accepted from 14 years.

                    So what ?
                    Well, there were, and technical schools were.
                    You need to watch in the complex.
                    The presence of vocational schools did not determine the standard of living in the country
                    1. _Sergei_ 21 August 2019 03: 35 New
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                      I'm not talking about the standard of living, but the fact that they were fed and dressed in vocational schools. And they went there mainly who could not go to school. They received a specialty and education and at the age of 17-18 they went to the factory.
                      1. Reptiloid 21 August 2019 09: 01 New
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                        Quote: _Sergey_
                        I'm not talking about the standard of living, but the fact that they were fed and dressed in vocational schools. And they went there mainly who could not go to school. They received a specialty and education and at the age of 17-18 they went to the factory.

                        I think that just influenced the standard of living. Take this family, specific, where it decreased by one unemployed, or even 2? And not just a diminished, clothed, well-fed family member. I was interested in this. Such students had paid practice even before graduation. And in the summer they could go to the region for part-time work. This significantly influenced the family budget, their standard of living, in my opinion. I don’t know what about education, in my opinion, it was necessary for workers to go to evening school, or to a technical school. And if you count the number of factories and schools, ----- undoubtedly influenced
          3. Ross xnumx 20 August 2019 14: 08 New
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            Quote: BerBer
            I do not like "extreme" opinions. Something was good in the USSR, something in modern Russia. In general, I believe that now, we live better. And the indicator is not only "sausage".

            And, really, how anyone can safely swim in the middle - there is no chance to scratch the "casing" on the rocky shore or to sit on the bottom buried in silt.
            In order to talk about good and bad in Soviet society, it is necessary to imagine the conditions under which the world's first socialist state developed. Many even underestimate everything that was in the USSR and only because they could not buy a piece of sausage, a prestigious item or a car. There is no doubt that a lot of resources and forces were given by the Union for the development of “brothers” and “sisters,” and what huge amounts of money were spent on various political “bells and whistles”, from printing reports to portraits of the General Secretaries and members of the Politburo ...
            To summarize in one stroke. Why are states created at all and what is their ultimate goal?
            State - the political form of organization of society in a certain territory, the political and territorial sovereign organization of public authority, which has an apparatus of control and coercion, which subordinates the entire population of the country.
            Any state performs the functions assigned to it.
            Internal functions of the state:
            Legal function - ensuring the rule of law, establishing legal standards governing social relations and the behavior of citizens, protecting the rights and freedoms of man and citizen.
            Political function - ensuring political stability, developing strategic program goals and objectives for the development of society.
            Organizational function - streamlining all power activities, monitoring the implementation of laws, coordinating the activities of all subjects of the political system.
            Economic function - organization, coordination and regulation of economic processes with the help of tax and credit policies, planning, creating incentives for economic activity, the implementation of sanctions.
            Social function - ensuring solidarity in society, cooperation between various sectors of society, implementation of the principle of social justice, protecting the interests of those categories of citizens who, for objective reasons, cannot independently provide a decent standard of living (people with disabilities, pensioners, mothers, children), support for housing construction, healthcare , public transport systems.
            Cultural function - creating conditions to meet the cultural needs of people, the formation of high spirituality, citizenship, guaranteeing an open information space, the formation of state cultural policy.
            Educational function - Activities to ensure the democratization of education, its continuity and quality, providing people with equal educational opportunities.
            External functions of the state:
            Foreign policy function - the development of diplomatic relations between states, the conclusion of international treaties, participation in international organizations.
            The function of ensuring national security is to maintain a sufficient level of defense capability of the society, to protect the territorial integrity, sovereignty and security of the state.
            World Order Function - participation in the development of the system of international relations, activities to prevent wars, reduce arms, and participate in solving global problems of mankind.
            Mutually beneficial cooperation function in economic, political, cultural and other areas with other states.


            And now, when you have the basic parameters before your eyes, you can carefully and methodically explain to yourself, or to us (on one specific example) where there were pluses and where are crosses.
            And the last one. The presence of sausages in stores is not an indicator of the development of the economy, because a person is not full of sausage. One must eat to live, not live to eat.
            The most affordable comparison of the effectiveness of the USSR and the new Russia is the number of people in the country and the titular nation in particular. Everything else is immaterial. If people disappear in the country (or their number decreases to the size when the state can no longer function normally), then the empty territory will be called in a completely different way. Whether there will be sausage in it or not, and whether there will be shops at all ...
            hi
            1. Berber 21 August 2019 08: 48 New
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              And, really, how anyone can safely swim in the middle - there is no chance to scratch the "casing" on the rocky shore or to sit on the bottom buried in silt.[i] [/ i]
              I just mean that the world is not black and white. And everything cannot be bad or everything is good.
              Any state is a "apparatus of violence against man." This was said by our history teacher. And this is undeniable.
            2. Berber 21 August 2019 08: 50 New
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              And if we start only from demography, then Central Asia is ahead of us for sure.
          4. asiat_61 20 August 2019 14: 51 New
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            Quote: BerBer
            Of Russia. In general, I believe that now, we live better

            but the whole world began to live better.
            1. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 33 New
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              Quote: asiat_61
              Quote: BerBer
              Of Russia. In general, I believe that now, we live better

              but the whole world began to live better.

              And many countries are much, much better.
            2. Berber 21 August 2019 08: 52 New
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              Who's everyone? African countries? Or Latin America?
              How categorical you are.
          5. Umalta 20 August 2019 23: 20 New
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            We needed our own Tianonmyn Square. Our GKChP is just some kind of parody of the coup. Why it was necessary to introduce the usual parts in the capital. All of these were known (addresses, appearances) by them and the special forces would have worked out so that not a single living reptile would remain. So it is in the union republics. Reforms in the economy (private property) are only in the light, food and manufacturing industries, in compliance with GOSTs, with executions as in the PRC, but God has given us the rulers of a hypocritical mediocrity or traitor.
          6. Reptiloid 21 August 2019 09: 17 New
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            USSR dentistry caused trembling? And with the king? And under Peter l? It’s amazing when they say about our kings, they somehow don’t mention dentistry ..... Was there really good dentistry? Or she wasn’t at all, what to say ....
            1. Berber 21 August 2019 09: 40 New
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              He laughed heartily. Thank. You would still remember the Stone Age. laughing
              1. Reptiloid 21 August 2019 09: 48 New
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                Quote: BerBer
                He laughed heartily. Thank. You would still remember the Stone Age. laughing

                Just on Sunday, on the “day of French cinema” on TV, Pierre Richard-the Tall blond said that he was afraid to go to the dentist, the seal fell out, he was afraid, evaded, he didn’t go. And this is not the USSR, this is France 70s, the beginning . Everywhere was about the same level. For the USSR ---- free, for a Blond violinist paid individually
          7. mister-red 4 September 2019 17: 08 New
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            Yes, dentistry was a horror, but it's free)
            That is why people did not value their teeth - you can always sign up and patch up. Americans have been taught this since childhood, because dentistry is very expensive and is practically not included in any insurance (we don’t take into account top managers and other senior managers).
            Conclusion. It was necessary at the same time with free, to introduce and paid for expensive materials. There would be a choice.
        3. WIKI 20 August 2019 11: 48 New
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          And my family saw an ordinary loaf only when relatives from St. Petersburg came and brought ... This is despite the fact that 5 kilometers there was a bakery that baked nothing besides bread.
          I will never forget the taste of bread baked in a rustic oven, which will give a hundred percent head start to a modern product. Modern technologies, with their thickeners, baking powder, odor enhancers, E additives, have spoiled a person so much that young children do not perceive the taste of a natural product. Give them what would be the desired smell and taste.
          1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 52 New
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            Quote: WIKI
            Modern technologies, with their thickeners, baking powder, odor enhancers, E additives, have spoiled a person so much that young children do not perceive the taste of a natural product. Give them what would be the desired smell and taste.

            Moreover, modern E-shki, baking powder and other poison provokes oncology, which becomes a mass disease ..
          2. Fayter2017 20 August 2019 13: 32 New
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            In the village near the father-in-law, some sectarians have been cultivating, sowing, plowing, reaping fields for 15 years already ...
            So sometimes they come for vegetables, honey, bring their own bread, which they themselves bake, damn delicious!)
            And this is in / in Ukraine !!!)))
          3. machinistvl 20 August 2019 14: 07 New
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            Not the sausages, but the fact that we were spiritually richer.
          4. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 35 New
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            I will never forget the taste of bread baked in a rustic oven, which will give a hundred percent head start to a modern product.

            who's stopping the oven now.
            Although, frankly, now there is a huge selection of bread (at least in St. Petersburg) and very, very tasty.
            Do not compare with the Soviet
            1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 43 New
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              Do not compare with the Soviet

              Of course not compare. We guys ran to the bakery at the beginning of the 80's, they gave us a marriage there, the bread lay fine for a couple of days, and with the hunchback, articles began to appear "why does bread crumble?"
              1. atalef 20 August 2019 22: 57 New
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                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Of course not compare. We guys ran to the bakery at the beginning of the 80's, they gave us a marriage there, the bread lay fine for a couple of days, and with the hunchback, articles began to appear “why bread crumbles

                Of course, the grass was greener and the trees were taller - but what’s the life expectancy of 15 years less?
                Can you explain?
                1. Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 00: 06 New
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                  Why was 15 less life expectancy?

                  No, I don’t know. Maybe because everyone was thoroughly conserved?
            2. WIKI 20 August 2019 22: 15 New
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              Quote: atalef
              and very very tasty

              You, as small children, give you something tasty. I have already written in the comments that when choosing products I prefer to use such criteria as benefit.
        4. eagle owl 20 August 2019 12: 32 New
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          Long, green. does the sausage stink? Train from Moscow
          1. Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 00: 09 New
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            Long, green. does the sausage stink? Train from Moscow

            You know, it didn’t bother when he went to Moscow. At one of VDNH it was possible to chat all day, and buy the same sausage in the same place.
        5. senima56 21 August 2019 15: 58 New
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          "And yet it was not right to ruin the country for the sake of sausage. Any difficulties can be overcome without destroying the state." Those who "ruined the country" lived almost "under communism", they did not stand in lines for sausages on holidays! The authorities never set themselves the goal of “feeding the people,” her goal was to “remain in power” and continue to live “under communism”! Therefore, they invested in armament and strengthening the state apparatus! And the people were "thrown crumbs" in the form of sausage for the holiday .... (if you have time to buy, "get it")! lol
          1. Vladivostok1969 23 August 2019 14: 12 New
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            Now what have they thrown to the people? Pension reform? Thank! Do not!
      2. mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 11: 35 New
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        This Soviet sausage was given to him, or rather its absence. Well, suppose this situation brother Fedka dies sausage asks. So you go, forked into the cooperative - and there ...
        1. Xnumx vis 20 August 2019 13: 48 New
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          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Well, suppose this situation brother Fedka dies sausage asks. So you go, forked into the cooperative - and there ...

          There were no cooperative ones. There was a blat .. I took toilet paper by the blat, I got the baby food by the blat, I got the sneakers by the blat, and ad infinitum ... You pay the merchants (by acquaintance! Bow to them ...) and you get the cottage cheese by the blat .. It was golden time for traders and nomenclature ... In a word, - "Who lived with the Germans, he still lives happily ever after" ..
          1. _Sergei_ 20 August 2019 14: 43 New
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            We had co-trading where sausage was three times more expensive, but you could take it.
            1. Xnumx vis 20 August 2019 17: 57 New
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              Remembered! There were co-trading, in them the prices were for millionaires. There were stews, sausages, all kinds of “goodies” in them for free .. These shops appeared in the eighties .. For the chosen ones ..
              1. _Sergei_ 20 August 2019 18: 26 New
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                There were special shops for the elite. Opposite the city party committee in the courtyards of the residential sector there was a store, or rather a warehouse (no strangers were allowed to go there), where prices were generally cheap. There was only "living" water there, so there was such a shortage that ordinary mortals did not see. Only for workers of the city party committee and city executive committee.
                1. eagle owl 21 August 2019 04: 36 New
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                  Yes, and co-trading, and markets ... Eating from the market was such a sign ... In Moscow, for example, there was a hunter store ... With delicacies at amazing prices. There were a lot of things. For example, I just knocked out. when I got to such a Tsekov sanatorium - "Krugloye Lake" ... Well, you know, at one time the USSR collection was a bullet. in youth ... Well, there was developed communism. to each according to his needs, also with a slide ... It is a pity that this communism ended up outside the territory of this boarding house
          2. senima56 21 August 2019 16: 02 New
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            I agree with you almost 100%. In addition to one, there were "cooperative" stores! Another thing is that in them not everything was always! I lived in Rostov-on-Don in the 70s, just above the cooperative store "Little Bee" (on Stanislavsky, if anyone is interested). I remember the night queues at this store in the morning to buy a piece of meat!
      3. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 11: 37 New
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        If they gave freedom to small and medium-sized businesses, then the country would not fall apart. Private traders would flood the country with rags and food.
        1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 53 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          If they gave freedom to small and medium-sized businesses, then the country would not fall apart.

          I wrote that under state control ..
          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          Private traders would flood the country with rags and food.

          So this is exactly what many lacked. What is the problem?
          1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 12: 37 New
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            The problem was that the leaders of the USSR were numb in their dogmas.
        2. yehat 20 August 2019 12: 10 New
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          Quote: AU Ivanov.
          If they gave freedom to small and medium-sized businesses, then the country would not fall apart. Private traders would flood the country with rags and food.

          the NEP stage has already been and led to the complete collapse of this policy.
          did not fail. it just got worse. Moreover, the economy of the USSR began to crash just
          when elements of business were introduced into it - replacement of quality indicators with profit (self-financing), etc. Finally, the very concept of business in the USSR was what they wanted to get away from.
          Cooperation worked well in the USSR, not "business," and this experience was very positive in combination with support at the local levels for cooperation initiatives.
          True, in the closed "military" cities and points, the executive branch reacted very weakly - often, due to approvals and a tricky system of permissions and resource restrictions, the initiative did not pass.
        3. eagle owl 20 August 2019 21: 00 New
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          Eat something to eat, but who to give him?
          I agree with you
      4. WIKI 20 August 2019 11: 54 New
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        I bought a beautiful, delicious sausage,

        For a long time I have not used such a criterion as taste when choosing products. I think this is a direct path to creating problems for yourself with your own hands. The main criterion is benefit.
        1. Svarog 20 August 2019 11: 59 New
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          Quote: WIKI
          The main criterion is benefit.

          You are mistaken, try to eat everything that is useful, but it is usually not tasty and you will begin to develop depression. This is a scientifically proven fact. And depression is a condition that destroys the body and on the basis of which, all sorts of diseases arise. You need to eat tasty and natural, without chemistry.
          1. WIKI 20 August 2019 12: 22 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            you will begin to develop depression.

            Depression, which arose for various reasons, begins to seize up not with tasty, but with certain products containing substances that can suppress this process. I remember one clever advice from depression that is not related to products:
            The taste of the product under capitalism acquires a different meaning than purely food. This is an increase in sales, and from here excessive consumption by a person is possible and not absolutely necessary for him in such a quantity of products. And he gets problems with the cardiovascular system, diabetes, obesity.
        2. _Sergei_ 20 August 2019 14: 45 New
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          Now it’s better to buy meat.
          1. WIKI 20 August 2019 14: 53 New
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            I prefer fish. And the best addition to fish is a rich ear.
          2. eagle owl 21 August 2019 06: 26 New
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            Well, yes, meat is now in trend ... There. on Monday won the horses winked
      5. Ryazan87 20 August 2019 14: 38 New
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        This is one of the mistakes of the USSR, it was necessary to give opportunity to small and medium-sized businesses .. under state control .. Our family bought a beautiful, delicious sausage, which was produced by a small businessman, without a queue and at an affordable price .. in the early 80s it was

        And now (tragic ellipsis):
        "3. Throughout the USSR, to citizens is prohibited Occupation of the following types of handicrafts and crafts:
        a) the processing of purchased and tolling agricultural and other food products, including the manufacture of any food products from them and all kinds of drinks (both in finished form and in the form of semi-finished products); "(Resolution of the Council of Ministers of the USSR dated 03.05.1976/283/XNUMX No. XNUMX)
        "Private entrepreneurship using state, cooperative or other public forms - is punishable imprisonment for up to five years with confiscation of property or a reference to up to five years with confiscation of property. "(Criminal Code of the RSFSR 1960, Art. 153)

        Your sausage benefactor did not visit the resorts of the Komi Republic in the end? In Andropian times it could have been easy.

        R.S. Think about how doing small and medium-sized businesses is combined with Soviet ideology.
        1. Svarog 20 August 2019 14: 48 New
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          Your sausage benefactor of the year did not visit the resorts of the Komi Republic? In Andropian times it could have been easy.

          No, I haven’t visited as far as I know ..
          R.S. Think about how doing small and medium-sized businesses is combined with Soviet ideology.

          It combined normally during the NEP, it could normally combine later .. Ideology should work for people, not support ideology, in other words, you can always adjust the course for the benefit of society and the state.
          1. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 36 New
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            Quote: Svarog
            Normally combined during the NEP,

            And who crushed the NEP?
            father of nations ...
      6. Avior 20 August 2019 15: 11 New
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        And what kind of entrepreneur could be in the early 80's?
      7. bandabas 20 August 2019 16: 15 New
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        Yeah. Sausage with sadness. Moreover, the high price does not guarantee high quality. Especially in networkers.
    2. free 20 August 2019 11: 21 New
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      Quote: farrux_2606
      Bullshit, life got better


      Or so.
      Bullshit has become better off.
      1. Mestny 20 August 2019 11: 33 New
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        But they don’t give good ones?
        Here is the trouble.
        1. Ingvar 72 20 August 2019 12: 33 New
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          Quote: Mestny
          But they don’t give good ones?

          Here I look at you, zaputintsy, and marvel. You have flocked and all in a crowd trying to falsify life under the Union, and this is your standard trick. Take the discussion aside, or on the individual.
          None of you mentioned a word about the unfair gap between the rich and the poor, shown in the graphs in the video. Russia comes first by the way. And you don’t want to remember the same thing as the current elite got these assets, as Uncle Vova said that there would be no privatization reviews.
          And yet, speaking of the same sausage, you completely ignore that today half of the population cannot afford quality sausages. An eye sees, but a tooth is numb. That's why they buy cheap rubbish. And then we wonder why the number of allergy sufferers is growing simply at a wild pace.
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            And then we wonder why the number of allergy sufferers is growing simply at a wild pace.

            Not only allergy sufferers, but an even more terrible phenomenon, as being overweight. The number of overweight people more than doubled the Soviet level and amounted to 58%. The problem itself is not pleasant, but it is a factor in the occurrence of 12 types of oncology, SS diseases.
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              12 types of oncology, SS diseases.

              All these facts somehow "accidentally" and very successfully coincide with the goals indicated by the conspiracy theorists. The retirement age is higher, and the people have more compound feeds so that they do not live to retirement. hi
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                so as not to live to retirement.

                Yes, they can survive to retirement, only then most of it will be lowered for medication.
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                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: WIKI
                12 types of oncology, SS diseases.

                All these facts somehow "accidentally" and very successfully coincide with the goals indicated by the conspiracy theorists. The retirement age is higher, and the people have more compound feeds so that they do not live to retirement. hi

                They don’t really coincide. All the rubbish we have been eating since the 90s, and we have raised the age now.
                There were delicious natural products, now beautiful ..., there was natural high-quality clothing, now beautiful ... There was a shortage of everything, now everything is "beautiful." And further. "Zaputintsy" are also people wassat
                Moreover, I have never met a “Zaputinets” not a Russian
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                  "Zaputintsy" are also people

                  The moral qualities of these people are often extremely doubtful. request
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              Quote: WIKI
              Not only allergy sufferers, but an even more terrible phenomenon, as being overweight. The number of overweight people more than doubled the Soviet level and amounted to 58%.

              And what is surprising, the food has become more and more affordable.
              It seems that under the USSR, asparagus ate spruce and lobster - so as not to get fat
              Quote: WIKI
              The problem itself is not pleasant, but it is a factor in the emergence of 12 types of oncology

              ??
              But what about life expectancy?
              And then what the hell did she grow up with?
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                And what is surprising, the food has become more and more affordable.

                The problem of obesity arose not from the fact that there is a lot of food, but from the fact that the food most accessible to the common person with a low salary is dominated by carbohydrates and fats. Read the labels on the sausage. Fat more than 30%. Yes, in addition, all these products are densely flavored with flavor enhancers, e-additives. And subcutaneous fat in ordinary people from sunflower and palm oil, and ............ from sturgeon.
                Quote: atalef
                But what about life expectancy?
                And then what the hell did she grow up with?

                I don’t know what’s going on with life expectancy, but the number of cancer patients has really grown. In 1990, their number was 3 million people per 286 million people, and in modern Russia by 145 million 3,8 million people.
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        Bullshit has become better off.

        All the people live in shit, and shit lives quite ...
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    3. Ingvar 72 20 August 2019 11: 53 New
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      Bullshit, life got better

      Of course! Only units.
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        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: farrux_2606
        Bullshit, life got better

        Of course! Only units.

        that’s it, it doesn’t mean that everyone in the USSR lived well.
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          this does not mean that everyone in the USSR lived well.

          I know, Levoslav. But there was confidence that if you suffer any kind of deprivation, then for the good of the Motherland. And the Motherland proved it in space, and on earth the same. Now all the hardships for the next nishtyakov oligarchs.
          Hi by the way. drinks
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            I know, Levoslav. But there was confidence that if you suffer any kind of deprivation, then for the good of the Motherland

            the good of the motherland?
            in general, the well-being of a country is the well-being of its citizens.
            And it’s completely not clear what blessing the Motherland had from a general deficit.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And the Motherland proved it in space, and on earth the same

            well, yes - it proved, proved, and fell apart in the 3 of the day.
            Probably under the weight of evidence.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Now all the hardships for the next nishtyakov oligarchs.

            the place is damned.
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Hi by the way.

            drinks
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      Time not to be forgotten.
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        But idealizing is also not very. I'm not a pioneer, I remember the Union
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      Bullshit, life got better

      Especially if you have not lived yet.
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    I wonder what kind of "dog sausage" is and when was it and where?
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      I wonder what kind of "dog sausage" is and when was it and where?

      Many people don’t know what sausage is made from today .. at best, 40-50% is minced chicken .. and the cost is unattainable for many ..
      1. rocket757 20 August 2019 11: 52 New
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        Many don’t know what sausage is made from today .. at best, 40-50% is minced chicken .. and the cost is unattainable for many

        Perhaps it’s better not to know!
        Price gradation is also not an indicator !!! Although the frank deshovka not every belly will eat, TESTED!
    2. Egorovich 20 August 2019 11: 14 New
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      A delicious liverwurst sausage for 21 Soviet penny, called "dog joy." Made from offal - liver, kidney, etc. . Now you will not find such a taste.
      1. Pedrodepackes 20 August 2019 11: 17 New
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        Now you will not find such a taste.

        Still there is, however, rarely. Why is it called "Egg", the taste is the same as "early times."
      2. mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 11: 45 New
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        Alexander. Remember. And also processed cheese at 15 kopecks. They were good under 777 or 33.
      3. rocket757 20 August 2019 11: 46 New
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        Quote: Egorovich
        A delicious liverwurst sausage for 21 Soviet penny, called "dog joy." Made from offal - liver, kidney, etc. . Now you will not find such a taste.

        He loved liverka, sprat in tomato, especially Astrakhan !!!
        And now, oh and oh, the taste is not at all the same!
        1. yehat 20 August 2019 12: 04 New
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          Yes, I also adored Soviet sprat. But liverwurst never liked.
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            Yes, I also adored Soviet sprat. But liverwurst never liked.

            My grandfather worked at a meat-packing plant ... and the entrance to the house was occupied by workers of a meat-packing plant and mountains of food-trading !!!
            In general, we had all kinds of sausages \ sausages \ sausages, it’s a fact! Liver liver-liver, it is certainly an amateur, but such a heat, i.e. freshie, went for a sweet soul!
            1. yehat 20 August 2019 12: 16 New
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              I’ve never tried fresh.
              of all the products of the USSR, the most favorite were ice cream, sprat, cod hk and pink salmon gk
              doctor's sausage, most dairy products, chocolate gingerbread and just bread.
              1. rocket757 20 August 2019 12: 23 New
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                I’ve never tried fresh.
                of all the products of the USSR, the most favorite were ice cream, sprat, cod hk and pink salmon gk
                doctor's sausage, most dairy products, chocolate gingerbread and just bread.

                Just good products! If something was wrong with them, these already negligent from the trade could spoil! All the same, products with a limited shelf life.
                1. yehat 20 August 2019 12: 32 New
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                  I agree. I was at a bakery - I never tried such yummy directly from the oven.
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                    I agree. I was at a bakery - I never tried such yummy directly from the oven.

                    Exactly, exactly! It was not far from us to the bakery!
                    And in the village there is its own mill, bakery, all the same a district center, almost all the villages around it provided! I remember MUSTARD BREAD !!! in the city this was not!
        2. atalef 20 August 2019 21: 42 New
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          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Egorovich
          A delicious liverwurst sausage for 21 Soviet penny, called "dog joy." Made from offal - liver, kidney, etc. . Now you will not find such a taste.

          He loved liverka, sprat in tomato, especially Astrakhan !!!
          And now, oh and oh, the taste is not at all the same!

          No, there’s just something to compare.
          I somehow bought squash caviar, muck - muck, how did I eat before?
          And I liked it, the army was the first delicacy.
          So her taste remained the same, just the tastes changed.
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            Tastes change, habits too .... it happens, to some people salami as a joy, and to someone omul in the local, i.e. fermented with a sweetheart!
        3. Sofievka 24 August 2019 08: 51 New
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          Patties with liver, 4 kopecks each, took 5-6 pieces per brother, a portion of pasties (6 pieces) -50 kopecks + for three a bottle of the Bakhchisarai Fountain, 1.40, did not drink vodka, for dancing company 8-10 people-2 bottles of dry Aligote or Rkatsiteli, men preferred Betzman (fruit and berry) 1.02rub.
          1. rocket757 24 August 2019 09: 17 New
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            Nostalgia! The grass was greener and the girls were the most beautiful!
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              And the most beautiful girl of the whole globe sat with me at the same desk, built her eyes, showed her legs and arranged mass fights, school to school, all this so long ago that I could not believe it, she came, she hired a lot of money and dumped her in New York, the end of romance
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                came, hired a lot of money and dumped in his New York, the end of romance

                And what, she found her happiness there?
                My deskmate is after my friend! They live in the north, grandchildren are nursing!
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                  He lives there, business, as usual here, scattered the lives of everyone around the globe, there are no others, and those are far
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        A delicious liverwurst sausage for 21 Soviet penny, called "dog joy." Made from offal - liver, kidney, etc. . You won’t find such a taste now

        Well, someone and flask - the bride.
        Liver sausage - utter abomination.
    3. Sotskiy 20 August 2019 11: 36 New
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      I wonder what kind of "dog sausage" is and when was it and where?

      So earlier liverwurst was called. The sausage was quite tasty, he ate himself, and the dogs all the more so. The liver, however, did not dare to try modern production, the treatment then goes gold.
      1. rocket757 20 August 2019 12: 18 New
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        There is something to remember!
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        The liver, however, did not dare to try modern production, the treatment then goes gold.

        Unfortunately, the “sausage trains” from the capital also had to be seen, the PRINCIPLE store where everything is there, you had to see, the shelves made by banks with seaweed also .... the country lived in different ways !!! But the Crayfish were large and 3 rubles!
        1. Sotskiy 20 August 2019 12: 27 New
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          But the Crayfish were large and at 3 ruble!

          laughing
          Crayfish were free, because they themselves caught and there were no fishing restrictions hi It was.
          1. yehat 20 August 2019 12: 34 New
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            By the way, yes. rural from the forest + collective farms + garden received almost everything that is needed
            they only got a little in stores for a change - butter, bread.
            grandmother's favorite dishes were potatoes with mushrooms and fried perches.
            Spent little money. my grandfather in 83 on the book was 11 tr and he did not know where to spend it - he constantly changed motorcycles for new ones, there were 5 in the garage.
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              little money was spent. my grandfather in 83 year on the book was 11 TR and he did not know where to spend them.

              And now you don’t know where to get them, so that all the holes in the budget are darned. But they say life has become better. The paradox however.wink
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              By the way, yes. rural from the forest + collective farms + garden received almost everything that is needed
              just got a little in stores for a change

              Then in the village a herd of cows, from private traders, was under 400 goals !!! now the whole village with half a hundred and even more than half a couple of families keep! Then they simply did not consider pigs and other trifles .... now to buy a domestic egg, a rabbit there, a goose, a turkey, we must still look for it!
              That's why so ??? The village is in place, it has only doubled, there are also more people .... people should know that shopping is not always safe !!!
              1. yehat 20 August 2019 13: 52 New
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                cows and pigs fed penny bread from the store
                Each time the brain bore me when I saw collective farmers dragging 10-15 loaves of bread from the store every day, all this bread was cheaper than daily milk yield.
                one of the biggest oddities that I have seen in the USSR.
                1. rocket757 20 August 2019 14: 04 New
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                  cows and pigs fed penny bread from the store

                  There was such a thing! Especially when they began to grow wiser with mowing !!! fenced, plowed lanes .... there were many oddities and nonsense, too, unfortunately !!!
                  After all, we have flood meadows !!! grass there is not measured, there really is a lot of inconvenience .... it was difficult to mechanize mowing there, the grass disappeared on the vine! and you try go mow ....
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                    our family used to plow several hectares with ordinary braids for a week and no mechanization - all cows had enough relatives to feed all year
                    sometimes a tractor came to mow by acquaintance - in general it turned out a freebie
                    All that was left was to dry the hay and toss it into the stack - I loved laying hay on the stack. And just on haymaking in the grass you fall to relax - buzz!
                    1. rocket757 20 August 2019 14: 35 New
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                      Unfortunately \ fortunately, the village in the territory of the natural park !!! Everything was always difficult there, and now it’s not better .... to build the same "house of thoughts / reading room", that is still a problem!
                      With a scythe in the meadows it’s not so easy to go, it’s necessary to "sit" with the forester on the eve!
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                  Well, I don’t know about cows, but I saw pigs, yes. But it turned out a natural product at the final stage. Ah, what are pigs being fed now? This is a question.
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                    To the passing. I don’t understand. Do you like to eat an incomprehensible pseudo-meat?
              2. machinistvl 21 August 2019 11: 36 New
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                Where did you see the growing villages? Some old people stayed, the youth leaves for the cities. And the older generation no longer has the strength and health of cows and pigs to keep. Plus, living in rural areas has become difficult, especially for the older generation, hospitals are closing, but that's another topic.
                1. rocket757 21 August 2019 12: 34 New
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                  Where did you see the growing villages?

                  The conditions are peculiar .... between the two largest cities, up to one 10 minutes, another 30 minutes slowly, along new bridges and the highway! In both cities, two-thirds of the population of the region ... both cities are industrial cents, everything works now !!! and everyone needs to be fed!
                  A lot of immigrants from Central Asia ... to Kazakhstan a little over 100 km !!!
                  The territory between the rivers, the Volga-Akhtuba floodplain, a wonderful land though.
                  If it weren’t for the natural park, we would have built cottages for a long time!
                  In fairness, small farms away to which there are no normal roads do not grow, but they do not disappear at all ... after all, many visitors are engaged in farming.
                  This is with us, many where for sure it is different .... capitalism, poison - ri it!
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              By the way, yes. rural from the forest + collective farms + garden received almost everything that is needed

              What does it mean all that is needed? Plowed in their gardens, maybe buy in the village that it was neither real.
              And why the heck is a simple Soviet villager dorlgen was to dig after a hard day?
              From a love of art?
              Or because you don’t grow potatoes, don’t train mushrooms, don’t grow a pig, there’s nothing to eat and buy nowhere for nothing.
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                And why the heck is a simple Soviet villager dorlgen was to dig after a hard day?

                I still plant all of my own, although I can easily buy. I just want to die healthy.
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            Crayfish were free, because they themselves caught and there were no fishing restrictions.

            I caught it myself, but it was not difficult to buy ..... and there was still a ban on fishing gear! Bullshit, nets, always taken away, fines written out, and even "letters of happiness" were sent to the place of work !!! There was such a thing!
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              I caught it myself, but it was not difficult to buy ..... and there was still a ban on fishing gear!

              And I did not write about the absence of a ban on fishing gear. I talked about the lack of catch limits. To me "in one person" (per family) was enough enameled bucket, caught personally. Walked along the coastal reeds and after an hour, another bucket full without any nets and rakolovka. Such was my "hard" Soviet childhood wink
              And what would the inspector of Rybnadzor say now, catching you with a bucket of crayfish? belay
              1. rocket757 20 August 2019 14: 10 New
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                We have a time limit and a catch in the permitted period of 50 tails per snout! 5 shrimps and more no-no! You can catch, but you have to go \ climb into such inconveniences ... only on a NIVA or a GOAT!
                There was no water left near where they used to catch !!! all summer residents for watering by the autumn pump out!
                However, this year they just have no where to download! there was no water in the spring.
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            In the summer, during the molting period, the ban was
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              In the summer, during the molting period, the ban was

              In our time, molting, even as a child, was a bad thing to take. So this ban was only for completely frostbitten.
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      I wonder what kind of "dog sausage" is and when was it and where?
      Liver sausage, because it was often bought for adding to porridge to watchdogs. By the way, we simply forgot how to do the liverwater hour, a complete r ....
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        Liver sausage, because it was often bought for adding to porridge to watchdogs. By the way, we simply forgot how to do the liverwater hour, a complete r ....

        For the sake of experiment, I tried cats of the matrimonial poison ... feed .... in hopes !!! they didn’t eat like that, infections!
        He didn’t torment his dogs ....
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    Especially when compared with previous years, when Soviet people stood idle in lines for a piece of "dog" sausage for days.

    The preceding years are 90s .. not? People then stood in line for sn ... there was a sausage in the shops, which howled it was POSSIBLE to bring horseradish from where .. yes to the impoverished population to sell .. Something I doubt that she was at least a dog ..
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      Yes, she was not dog. This is her nickname.
      We had a meat factory next door. Of course, all the products were sent to St. Petersburg, but sometimes they “threw out” (that's another word from those times) sausage, popularly called “dog joy.” It wasn’t at all liver, but as if from meat — all kinds of cuttings, hooves, tails, all kinds of veins, extra entrails, all finely ground, garlic and salt added.
      It cost 1p 20 kopecks per kilogram. When frying, it smelled disgusting. However, the dogs ate it with pleasure, why the nickname.
      This is the only thing that could be bought in a store of sausages.
      The truth was also liveried (sometimes), but that was not popular even among drunks.
      Those who are richer went to St. Petersburg for sausage. Or to Estonia.
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        This sausage was popularly called "Ear-Throat-Nose-Tits-Pussy-Tail" and cost forty rubles. It stank because it was made from damp raw materials.
      2. mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 12: 27 New
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        Sergei! Well, if a dog eats, this is not a quality indicator. Our diet and the modern doctrine strives to gobble up, but who will give it to them - expensively, not in the sense that it is a pity to treat the dog, and then run to the veterinarians - and this is time and money ..
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    What is this screen from Instagram and Facebook?
    And what kind of screen will tell you YouTube !!! laughing
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    1. Cruorvult 20 August 2019 11: 25 New
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      "Whoever dines for a girl dances her"

      In the VK group, hohloboty on the ears go, but do not care for everyone. In extreme cases, you can kill the whole topic when another anonymous calls to hang the judges.
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    It is better to eat Soviet-made "dog" sausages than modern "democratic" sausages that even dogs don’t eat. laughing
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      We in Novgorod at the Union and the dog was not for sale. Do you want sausages? By train and to Leningrad!
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        it seems to me, a fashion for sausage several people zombied
        because of the terrible quality and composition of sausages, we just buy meat in stores and process it in the oven - we get an analog, but it's better
        And in the USSR it was also possible to do so. And by the way, we did not always have queues for sausage.
        I remember that there were 40 people in line and 1-2.
        This is partly due to the fact that all at one time from work to the shops were breaking down.
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      even dogs don’t eat.

      There was a cat, called Stepka. He was smart and lazy, at the same time. He loved sausage and especially boiled eggs. I somehow bought a "doctor's", put the cat in his plate, he sniffed it and I had to change his dishes in the end, he refused to eat from the plate in which the so-called sausage visited.
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    Quote: Egorovich
    A delicious liverwurst sausage for 21 Soviet kopecks was called "dog joy."

    But the authorities didn’t want to eat her. Got to hard workers (after the line naturally).
    I wonder why? This is such a delicious sausage.
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      But the authorities didn’t want to eat her. Got to hard workers (after the line naturally).

      Well, are you calling so much, are your ears already fading?
      In our techies, besides the flocks, they gave coupons for 15 rubles. Could eat in the dining room or in the buffet, but could exchange for the same sausage. And this very sausage we often visited, personally, I preferred potato pies.
      Quote: Mestny
      This is such a delicious sausage.

      Somehow I bought stewed meat in Magnit, so they did not take it back, they said call the examination.
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        ..... Somehow I bought stewed meat in Magnit, so they didn’t take it back, they said call the examination.
        Abaldet !!!!!! That's why I think that people will take it, try to smell something !!!! But I rarely go to the store! You can sniff at the ticket office and not take !!!!!
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          But I rarely go to the store! You can sniff at the ticket office and not take !!!!!

          Eh ... You did not see what was happening in 90's. Somehow they decided on barbecue from chicken. So they sold on ice. We were indignant, the aunt began to crack the ice: Yes guys, well, I can’t do that! "
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            AND! That's just at 91m we returned to Leningrad, I was small! Mom and grandmother, they dragged me every day in the morning to the store, the queues stood. They gave to people and there were fights in the shops! And shouting ---- not to give children !!!!! And later they moved a little to new buildings, then they stopped dragging me to the shops ---- unfamiliar places and it was bad with transport.
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            But I rarely go to the store! You can sniff at the ticket office and not take !!!!!

            Eh ... You did not see what was happening in 90's. Somehow they decided on barbecue from chicken. So they sold on ice. We were indignant, the aunt began to crack the ice: Yes guys, well, I can’t do that! "
  8. yehat 20 August 2019 11: 28 New
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    Now there is sausage, but from which it is, it is a separate issue and many have no money for it .. This is one of the mistakes of the USSR, it was necessary to give the opportunity to small and medium-sized businesses .. under state control.

    under Stalin, after the NEP, such a doctrine was just adopted, but there was no business - there were artels and individual specialists, the USSR avoided unnecessary flirting with the exploitation of labor and property.
    It is rather an opportunity to organize on a par with the state what improves life and life without going too far into the zone of capital described by Marx.
    For example, artels caught fish, mined gold, raised bees - diversification in its purest form,
    but after Stalin’s death it was curtailed, because the cooperatives did not report directly to Khrushchev’s party nomenclature. And diversification in the economy of the USSR was sacrificed to the desire of the nomenclature (mainly party, but not only) to seek privileges and their inheritance.
    1. Sergej1972 20 August 2019 11: 37 New
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      Fish were caught by fish farms, which existed until the very end of the USSR. They carried out the plan, and their chairmen were elected after agreement with the party district committee. There was no special freedom of entrepreneurship in their activities.
      1. mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 12: 21 New
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        Sergei! Here's the thing. There was no freedom of enterprise, but there were fish on the shelves, while cheap, though several varieties. We have a cat, a scoundrel, sorry for the rude word pollock did not want to eat, give him a flounder. You just need to nod at the end of Gorbachev’s reign, it was another song
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          but the fish was on the shelves, while cheap

          And not only on the shelves. I remember in the mid-80s, barrels of fish were imported to pig farms. Well, a simple person used it. Uncle coached his pigs, and after he began to use the product from them, his wife got the first number for the smell of fish from pork soup.
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          . We have a cat, a scoundrel, sorry for the rude word pollock did not want to eat, give him a flounder.

          My dad fed me a kitten with fresh meat, so Keshe poured cat food like that, so he stared at me with such eyes that it became embarrassing.
    2. Sergej1972 20 August 2019 11: 44 New
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      All the cooperatives of the system of industrial cooperation were obligatory included in republican and sometimes in all-Union unions and unions, whose leadership had approximately the same status as the leadership of the Central Union (the highest governing body of consumer cooperation). That is, the nomenclature of the central and republican party bodies was included. In my opinion, the organization of artisanal artels was freer. They brought such a profit that the state tolerated the presence of some people with a difficult fate at the head of some of them.
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      A cousin worked in a gold mining artel. They paid well. But, in principle, it is a completely Soviet structure, with a plan, party, trade union and Komsomol organizations.
      1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 26 New
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        Cousin worked in a gold mining artel

        You are confused with the artels of the times of Stalin. My grandfather was a shoemaker with him, he made very good money.
        1. Sergej1972 20 August 2019 23: 54 New
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          Was he in the artel? Shoemakers, shoe cleaners, etc. often were unoperated single handicraftsmen, that is, engaged in individual labor activities.
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            Shoemakers, shoe cleaners, etc. were often uncooperated single handicraftsmen

            In the artel. He blasphemed Khrushchev all the time, saying that as their artel was dispersed, it became so bad. He settled himself as a watchman, guarded the flowers with a gun.
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              So the initiator of the elimination of the promo-operation was Anastas Mikoyan.
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                Quote: Sergej1972
                So the initiator of the elimination of the promo-operation was Anastas Mikoyan.

                I don’t know who the initiator was there, but all this was done under Khrushchev. He dropped the ruble two and a half times.
  9. Nonna 20 August 2019 11: 37 New
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    “According to official statistics, the dry figures of which are regularly given to us by various media, most Russians trust the current government led by President Vladimir Putin and believe that life in Russia has become much better in the past 10-15 years. Especially when compared with previous years when Soviet people stood idle in lines for a piece of "dog" sausage for days. "

    Who is this scribbler? Uzbek migrant worker? Putin has been ruling Russia for 20 years, and before these "darage scattered" they lived in a wrestling fight - 30 years old animal capitalism and the extinction of the nation, and they write about the "dog" sausage in the USSR, and even someone stood there for days - they read , uncle, of the anti-Soviet liberal "Spark" of the early 90's ?. And on the topic - a great video with a good economic analysis. Only this will not be shown on zombie TV - downshifters do not need a smart population.
  10. Mestny 20 August 2019 11: 39 New
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    This is the philistine happiness - a well-fed, successful rather young blogger broadcasts about how things got worse compared to the sausage Soviet.
    He himself did not live in the USSR, he didn’t eat this sausage, he did not stand in humiliating lines to feed his family.
    But he has the opportunity to talk about this while sitting in a warm chair with a good income.
    Petty bourgeois happiness - it is from two ends.
    1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 32 New
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      He himself did not live in the USSR, he didn’t eat this sausage, he did not stand in humiliating lines to feed his family.

      Are you tired of telling stories?
      I’ll clarify. Queues appeared under Hunchback, while with him I heard hissing: "come along here" ...
      Quote: Mestny
      feed the family.

      Starball, you, Serge. Yes, every day at school they lost in shaking, which my mother gave for a pie.
  11. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 11: 39 New
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    Especially when compared with previous years, when Soviet people stood idle in lines for a piece of "dog" sausage for days.

    It was possible to stand up for such sausage for a day. Which was completely made from natural meat and without any soy and chemicals there.
    1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 11: 54 New
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      Then there was no such technology. And there was no internet. But edible cellulose has already been added to sausages in the Union. Another ten years in the Soviet sausage would have been and E-additives and soybeans and other muck.
      1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 12: 05 New
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        We in the modern army were given frozen meat products that were for canned back in Soviet times. They even taste different from current products. And now you are trying to prove something to me. More than half of those products consisted of a natural product, and the fact that there is a small percentage of soy and E-additives is the necessary product for this product when preparing it.
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          I repeat: then there were no such technologies either in our country or in the west. Therefore, the products were tastier. And there was no radio emission from base stations of cellular communication for the same reason.
          1. SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 12: 27 New
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            The products then yes, really were of good quality.
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            And why wasn’t there radiation? Cellular communication was already in the 70s, Altai systems and the simpler Kolos
      2. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 37 New
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        Quote: AU Ivanov.
        Then there was no such technology. And there was no internet. But edible cellulose has already been added to sausages in the Union.

        Three times already I put screenshots with Soviet GOSTs on sausage, and compared with modern ones. Need more? Let me remind you that the OBHSS worked well at that time.
        1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 12: 41 New
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          In addition to GOSTs, products were also manufactured according to TU. And compare the standards of forty years ago with modern nekomilfo. It seems that under RI, the quality of products was even higher for the same reason - the lack of appropriate technologies.
          1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 51 New
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            In addition to GOSTs, products were also manufactured according to TU.

            Ivanov, are you really what? Find me at least one TU for sausage from the times of the USSR.
            1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 02 New
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              I don’t know about sausage. Margarine was produced according to TU and, due to the lack of butter in many regions, was actively consumed. Those very saturated fats, which now break the mass of copies. By the way: there is no difference what saturated fats are made of - from palm or other vegetable oil. Although olive - they are equally harmful.
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                Margarine was produced according to TU

                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                due to the lack of butter in many regions,

                I don’t know where you lived, but we had this oil in bulk. Huge pieces of cream, from which they cut off as much as necessary.
                1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 23 New
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                  Novgorod region. Non-Black Earth. In shops, the katy shari: canned fish, cereals with macaroni (buckwheat - deficit), alcohol and juices in three-liter jars. Oil, meat, sausage - in Leningrad. Just 5 hours by train.
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                    Quote: AU Ivanov.
                    Oil, meat, sausage - in Leningrad. Just then 5 hours by train.

                    And what years, let me ask?
                    1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 35 New
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                      Seventies - eighties. I am born in 1963 As I recall, there was nothing in the stores. Well, his father worked for the railway, sometimes he was given food packages through OPC.
                      1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 13: 47 New
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                        Quote: AU Ivanov.
                        there was nothing in the stores.

                        You're lying after all. My grandmother worked in the tobacco department, so few people bought Cuban cigars. Just like Marlborough. But the visit, herzegovina, current diverged and so on. Heh, there was nothing ... Something no one was dying of hunger, I remember how for two they bought two kilos of ice cream (sold for weight), they sat like well-fed cats on the balcony ...
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                Quote: AU Ivanov.
                By the way: there is no difference what saturated fats are made of - from palm or other vegetable oil.

                Saturated fats aren't made out of anything. They are simply present in the products. We are talking about the conversion of unsaturated fats to trans fats using hydrogenation technology.
  12. paul3390 20 August 2019 11: 50 New
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    Something like this ...

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      Something like this ...


      Well, just the same, everyone received free housing.
      From kel truth on xnumx generation lived in the same apartment?
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        Do you want each after the birth of a separate three-ruble note? When my grandfather relocated his native plant from a communal apartment to a separate one - so people couldn’t believe their luck ... Then they all got sick. Do not forget about the starting conditions with housing in the USSR ...
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          What do you mean snickering? Decent living space is a necessary condition for life. It was the Communists who believed that one could live in barracks and that was the norm.
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    All this the people of Russia owe to Putin. The people shut up their mouths with sausage, and the ears and eyes of the Kremlin propaganda about Ukraine and the United States. And so that the people do not understand who is enriched in Russia at his expense, education is dibelized. But history will give its assessment to Putin and Medvedev, as did Khrushchev. He also fed corn instead of bread and made rockets "like sausages." Reality is no different now from that time - it is fed with ersatz products and rockets are riveted “like sausages”. True, there is a small exception, under Khrushchev there was a program of resettlement in modern social housing, now this is not.
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      we have a subsidized city of 12 thousand inhabitants, over the past 5 years a plan has been implemented to relocate from dilapidated housing. According to the plan, 46 three-story houses should be built. more than half have already been built. many of my friends who had rooms or apartments in wooden old huts got new apartments
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        Yes, they are building social housing here and there. Only they can hardly be called such housing, it is also an ersatz product that will stand up to no more than a quarter of a century and crumble, and maybe earlier. I know from the social housing built in our city.
    2. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 43 New
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      in modern social housing, now this is not.

      And then everyone is silent, what is modern social housing in the USA. There, the elevator stops across the floor for the sake of economy. Such a joyful dude enters the 19 floor, for example, he begins to carry things to the 18 floor, so he has half a whistle.
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        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: SU
        in modern social housing, now this is not.

        And then everyone is silent, what is modern social housing in the USA. There, the elevator stops across the floor for the sake of economy. Such a joyful dude enters the 19 floor, for example, he begins to carry things to the 18 floor, so he has half a whistle.

        Was there himself, dude? Didn’t we pinch the door in the elevator? Finger for examplewink Take your time with the answer laughing
        1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 06 New
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          Quote: Not bad
          Didn’t we pinch the door in the elevator? Finger for example

          I don’t, but people like you want to go there.
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            Mordvin, you and I have long been familiar with me, and you are not flickering. wink
  14. vvnab 20 August 2019 12: 16 New
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    how many sausages in stores


    And it should be in home refrigerators!
    1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 12: 43 New
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      And now there is no point in storing products for the future, as in the USSR. They can be bought at any time of the day or night.
  15. Last centurion 20 August 2019 12: 43 New
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    Well, let's ponastalg about the times when "ships plowed the expanses of the universe," but jeans had to be mined. The past a la communism will no longer be. Capitalism is gradually becoming obsolete by inflation of a credit bubble (worldwide). There will be something third over time ... the main thing is not to be a primitively communal system or a slave-owning one (although there are enough mortgages, right?) After some kind of capitalist war. After all, capitalism is good when there is something to destroy, so that later you can sell goods and services in return for the freshly destroyed .. otherwise the credit bubble and overstock will lead to the end of capitalism
  16. knyf 20 August 2019 12: 44 New
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    This sausage was given to everyone. Who knows how to cook himself and knows what spices can now eat both fish and meat. For example, I do not consume slices, sausages, sausages, all this ersatz products. Mayonnaise also replaced with spices in salads, another world opened)))) So many things on the Internet. And how to make a home sausage is also on YouTube. People make beer themselves, so to speak. Eat all these E from laziness and limitation.
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      Spices should also be used in reasonable quantities.
  17. demo 20 August 2019 12: 56 New
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    The saddest and scariest thing is what I’ll write now.
    Until we "entered the market" in the USSR and early Russia antibiotics were not used in the production of meat products.
    Most recently, for about a year, my friend dealing with subcritical extraction issues visited a Petersburg research institute.
    And the deputy director general there spoke about the amazing consequences of the consumption of this product by our population (including the western one).
    So.
    What mainly affects the consumption of such poison?
    On the reproductive function of humans.
    Those. rich, wealthy, packaged consumers of jamon and other garbage think. that they grabbed God by the beard.
    And all is far from it.
    More precisely.
    Not at all like that.
    The problems of conception begin to torment all such fans of high-end products.
    Those. the organ seems to be working, but there is no result.
    Many will say so great.
    Only I do not agree.
    Serious, age-old uncles, who have so much money that over the edge, want to see their heirs - grandchildren.
    But they are not.
    And will not be.
    And such products in our stores ranging from Selpo to elite supermarkets.
    And the whole "elite" is selling there.
    And FSB generals, and generals of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and generals of the Moscow Region, and other generals.
    And their kids consume all this infection.

    I know only about one subject - Sechin, which has its own livestock company, its processing plant, and its distributor.
    He wants to live for a long time.

    So with the sausage and sausages sorted out.
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      Quote: demo
      Until we "entered the market" in the USSR and early Russia antibiotics were not used in the production of meat products.

      even as applied
      Quote: demo
      Serious, age-old uncles, who have so much money that over the edge, want to see their heirs - grandchildren.
      But they are not.
      And will not be.

      ie, childbearing in remote villages should break records? Did I understand you correctly ?
      Quote: demo
      I know only about one subject - Sechin, which has its own livestock company, its processing plant, and its distributor.
      He wants to live for a long time.

      So with the sausage and sausages sorted out.

      Ulyukaev figured out - for the next 8 years laughing
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        ie, childbearing in remote villages should break records? Did I understand you correctly ?
        If there were no other “concomitant” factors, then it would be so.
        But they are.
        And to you, most likely, they are known.
  18. Strashila 20 August 2019 13: 04 New
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    "Life has become better - how many sausages are in stores." only the question arises, who is better and actually "how many sausages", can this be called sausage.
    1. AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 19 New
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      Sausage of the upper price category is quite a sausage. If meat costs 250-350 r / kg, then it is foolish to think that sausage for 300 is made from meat.
  19. TochkaY 20 August 2019 13: 13 New
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    What a clown on the screen
    Talking about the country?
    Why did he decide that with brains
    Was he lucky only one?

    To whom he began to tell
    About the sausage of the Soviet years,
    Puzzled by comparison
    This modern latch?

    He did not see how people lived
    At the time of the Yeltsin era.
    There, God punished Russia.
    The country is a mess. Avalanche funeral.

    Take the clown off the screen,
    Don't litter my brains
    And not find the truth today
    She, as usual, at the end of the road.
  20. iouris 20 August 2019 14: 52 New
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    I had to spend a month in the infectious diseases department of the hospital in the month of August. Which is characteristic. From about Saturday to Monday in the department - an influx of patients. In a couple of days, nobody. Why? An elderly nurse said that her friend’s son was poisoned again. This relatively young man told her that in the “scoop”, they say, there was no beer or sausage, and now this good - heaps. She summed up: "Here they will consume this beer, they will eat this sausage - and here."
    1. Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 17: 39 New
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      This relatively young man told her that there wasn’t no beer in the “scoop”

      We were like picking apples, so there they sold such fucking beer that we didn’t buy wine either.
      1. _Sergei_ 20 August 2019 18: 37 New
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        Unas beer was scarce, not just bottled, but draft. One day he came to a friend in Gorno-Altaysk, went into the store in the morning, and there Zhigulevskoye bottle. I bought a box, and he comes in the evening and says that Czech will be delivered in the evening. So not everyone had the same thing.
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          So not everyone had the same thing.

          May be. We, in walking distance in 15 minutes, had 5 pubs, and 2 tavern.
          We went for a beer with a kettle. And the banks. One time lane 6 cans of three-liter, 4 in bags, and 2 on hand.
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      Simferopol, the 80s, 8–9 restaurants and 6–7 beer bars, everything, to the city of 350000 people, operating hours until 22–23.00: XNUMX, and nothing was missing, and they didn’t roam, mainly in the courtyard, in the park, dancing, worked in the first, then in the second, everyone was in the workplace
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    Ah, what are pigs being fed now? This is a question.

    migrant workers am
  • smart fellow 20 August 2019 17: 34 New
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    Everything is very simple. You need to read what is printed in small print on the packaging - manufacturers are required to decrypt the composition there. Cervelat - we read: poultry, pork fat, dyes and flavors. Bakery products: palm oil. Cheese, ice cream, etc. - similarly.
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    Since 1989, sausages have increased in stores ...
    But in general, the meat in newfangled sausage in weight terms is the same as with the bloody commies .....
    Starch, cellulose, ground bones are not a sign of abundance
  • Umalta 20 August 2019 23: 44 New
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    Get in the car, drive around the villages, you will see that no modern benefits that are accessible to many here will outweigh the destruction of the USSR Homeland (for most of you it is home). And you do not want to go to cities where there is not a single industrial enterprise, from where young people are fleeing. Where the factories and dormitories were destroyed, it seemed as if they had been under artillery fire.
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    Life has become better, life has become more fun .. The neck has become thinner but longer. This is how we live. We get dirty, we rush and eat choked .. And we’ll never get better. My drugan in the north looked at life pessimistically ..
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    So after all, both the author of the article and Oleg Kamolov are not far from those same inhabitants, and they also measure everything with sausage and money.
    Now, unlike in Soviet times, we can freely learn different opinions, information, discuss them, argue, generally live with open eyes, have our own beliefs, and this is the main thing in a person, not how much he can eat.
    But in Soviet times it was not so, ordinary people were held by suckers, there was an "iron curtain", people lived with their eyes closed, and really thought that they live better than anyone else in the world. I remember this, so I don’t want to go back there. There was only one , the "right" point of view, and everyone else was persecuted.
    And yet, Kamolov correctly noted that these processes are global, and not only in Russia.
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    Quote: 30 vis
    There were no cooperative ones. There was a blat .. I took toilet paper by the blat, I got the baby food by the blat, I got the sneakers by the blat, and ad infinitum ... You pay the merchants (by acquaintance! Bow to them ...) and you get the cottage cheese by the blat .. It was golden time for traders and nomenclature ... In a word, - "Who lived with the Germans, he still lives happily ever after" ..

    There were cooperative stores. "Cooptorgs" were called. There were also shops at the railways - ORSovskys, EMNIP. In the co-trade, the quality was higher than in a regular store, but the price was also 2-3 times higher.
    A blat - yes, it was. When there is an artificially created deficit, there is blat. Despite the fact that all enterprises, factories worked at 100%.
    However, when we talk about such an “urgent” product as sausage, it’s not worth all under one comb. At different times - in different ways, in different regions - also in different ways. The center was supplied, the Volga region - there were a couple of times in the early 80s EMNIP on a business trip - in stores a rolling ball ...

    Quote: Uhu
    Long, green. does the sausage stink? Train from Moscow

    I lived in the 70s - 80s in Novocherkassk. The riddle was something like this: "Blue with a red stripe, it smells deliciously like sausage" - the Rostov-on-Don-Moscow branded train coming from Moscow (the cars were blue with a red stripe)

    Quote: rocket757
    I wonder what kind of "dog sausage" is and when was it and where?

    They called it differently. Sometimes "Dog's Joy" was called offal sausage, made unclear from what waste products. It was possible to eat only with the use of forty degrees. There was another sausage, which was also called "dog joy" - liver. This one was better than offal. And the hepatic is generally normal.

    Quote: rocket757
    For the sake of experiment, I tried cats of the matrimonial poison ... feed .... in hopes !!! they didn’t eat like that, infections!
    He didn’t torment his dogs ....

    My previous cat really respected the liver sausage of one of our local sausage companies. Burst with pleasure. But gradually I stopped eating, it became much worse (and not just liver). And sometimes we take another company ourselves when hunting

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    It is better to eat Soviet-made "dog" sausages than modern "democratic" sausages that even dogs don’t eat. laughing

    Do not tell. if a serious company, then the products are of excellent quality. Especially preferred is a local manufacturer. So the "democratic sausage" is also different laughing

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    Fish were caught by fish farms, which existed until the very end of the USSR. They carried out the plan, and their chairmen were elected after agreement with the party district committee. There was no special freedom of entrepreneurship in their activities.

    I'm afraid to make a mistake, but it seems that there were fish farms on the rivers. There was a time when 2-3 kg of silver carp were received for 200-300 bottles of vodka during the "Fight against the green snake". For a bottle in the same farm that exported crayfish to France, you could get a couple of paper bags of substandard (large) crayfish.

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    Quote: AU Ivanov.
    there was nothing in the stores.

    You're lying after all. My grandmother worked in the tobacco department, so few people bought Cuban cigars. Just like Marlborough. But the visit, herzegovina, current diverged and so on. Heh, there was nothing ... Something no one was dying of hunger, I remember how for two they bought two kilos of ice cream (sold for weight), they sat like well-fed cats on the balcony ...

    Unfortunately he is not lying, the namesake. Everything was. At different times and in different regions. A couple of times in the early 80s was on a business trip to the Volga region, so I had seen enough of empty shelves in stores. When the guys were going to say, go to the co-trade, buy dry sausage, enough for a few days. Which he did.
    In the early 70s in the same Novocherkassk in any store there were several varieties of boiled, 2-3 varieties of smoked and smoked sausages, butter, chocolate, margarines several varieties.
    After 10 years, in the early 80s it was considered lucky if the store got "Estonian" sausage (cooked but with a huge amount of fat). Creamy was on coupons (2 packs per snout per month). Chocolate generally disappeared. Only the "Sandwich" was free. It was possible to use for a sandwich, but in a frying pan it evaporated instantly. And yes, business trips to Moscow were usually accompanied by a grocery set not only for themselves, but also for colleagues, especially before the holidays, for which companies usually gathered.

    At the beginning of the 80s there was a month or two, when Moscow had problems with butter. They usually gave it out in the buffet at work. He was on a business trip at the Institute of Management Problems. I came to celebrate a business trip, and the office is closed. The girls turned out to be hooked into the buffet. They came with packs of butter, put it on the table (butt to me), I submit travel documents, and they read that I’m from Novocherkassk, the Rostov region as a joke and said: "So this is where our butter goes." I pointed to the packs lying on the table and asked: "Is this oil?" They nodded. I suggested reading what is written on the packs. They should have seen their faces when they read in batches that Novocherkassk Dairy Plant produces this oil.
    Yes, and sausage Novocherkassk could only be bought in Moscow, in a company store. For almost 20 years in Novocherkassk, I never once saw her.
    It is impossible to say that everything was good in the USSR or all bad. I repeat: at different times, in different regions it was different. The undoubted plus was only in one thing - you knew your life in advance. I knew that after graduating from school you would go either to a factory or to a technical school / institute and after graduation you would not remain unemployed. This was the most important achievement. Otherwise, life was still a rather complicated process ...


    But Cuban tobacco in tobacco stalls - yes, it was in bulk in the early 70s ...
  • nikvic46 2 September 2019 19: 51 New
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    It just so happened that a person always compares the present life with the past. The end of the 70s. We often scold power structures. But much depends on the heads of enterprises. So already at that time we switched to the contract system. Discipline was immediately established, and people began to work in a completely different way. Now many cannot imagine themselves without a computer. At that time, a lot of popular magazines replaced me with a computer. When people talk about empty counters, they forget about fish stores, where there was a fish that you can’t find now in the afternoon with fire. Yes, and the bird was not bad at all. At that time, we worked on a contract , my salary was 400-450 rubles a month.
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    I ate sausage last time in 2007. It is not inspiring ....