VVO motorized rifle formations are completely rearmament on T-80BVM tanks

Motorized rifle units of the Eastern Military District, deployed in the Far East, completed rearmament to new Tanks T-80BV. According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the final batch of tanks entered service with a military unit located in the Jewish Autonomous Region.

According to the report, 100% was equipped with the following T-80BV tanks with the following tank units of four motorized rifle formations: 64th motorized rifle brigade (Khabarovsk Territory), 69th infantry brigade (Jewish Autonomous Region), 38th motorized rifle brigade and 39 infantry brigade (Amur) motorized rifle brigade (Sakhalin island).

It’s not entirely clear from the message of the Ministry of Defense which tanks went into service with the units — the T-80BV or T-80BVM (upgraded). The official website writes that the T-80BV, however, back in June, the press service of the BBO announced the arrival of the 38 separate Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade (OMSBr), which is deployed in the village of Yekaterinoslavka of the Amur Region, a batch of 40 T-80BVM tanks. Since the Ministry of Defense previously reported that all T-80BVs were removed from storage and sent to units only after modernization, we assume that the Far East was rearmament on the T-80BVM.

T-80BVM is a further modification of the Soviet T-80BV, created and put into service in the middle of the 1980-s. The machine, which underwent a deep modernization, is equipped with an 125-mm cannon, which has the ability to fire guided missiles, a multi-channel sight, modified by a gas-turbine engine with an 1250 horsepower, a stabilizer for weapons and a driver observation device. The tank is protected from fire by the modular dynamic protection complex and the anti-cumulative trellis screen.

In Soviet times, more than 10 of thousands of T-80 tanks of various modifications were produced. Currently, 3 thousand "eighty", which are considered a strategic reserve in case of war, is located in military warehouses. The decision to de-arm part of the tanks and modernize it was taken by the Ministry of Defense in 2016.

It was previously reported that 200 T-80 tanks are in service with the regiments of the Kantemirov division. Fighting vehicles are replaced by the upgraded T-80BVM. Also, new tanks entered service with tankers of the North fleet - The 80th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade (Motorized Rifle Brigade) and the 200th Motorized Rifle Brigade.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

A good tank, fast ... The number of tanks in combat readiness is clearly growing ... I don’t even know, maybe we’re getting ready for what?

[svp67]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I don’t even know right, maybe we’re getting ready for what?

To the May Day demonstration ... probably

[Serg koma]

Quote: svp67

To the May Day demonstration ... probably

Or to tank biathlon .... probably it is possible

[Siberia 75]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

I don’t even know right, maybe we’re getting ready for what?

The song was about an armored train.
Maybe one of the opponents forgot

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Siberia 75

The song was about an armored train.

so the armored train on the siding stood there, and here they are already rolling out.

[Civil]

69th Cover Brigade (Jewish Autonomous Region)

Israel could arm the merkavs), though there are no Arabs in the okrug

[Vladimir16]

There are no Jews there

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Vladimir16

There are no Jews there

Yes there is, only some strange ones - they constantly squint. This, perhaps, is more suitable Type 96.

[YOUR]

The army should always be in full readiness, and not remember about it when something happened.

[blackcat]

To repel Japanese aggression

[d1975]

The answer is one in this case. If you want peace, get ready for war!

[aleksandaravin]

To the Visit of More Civilized Powers for the Purposes of Our (complete and final) Involvement in "Democracy"! Aki in 1812, 1918, and 1941!

[Su24]

Since the Ministry of Defense previously reported that all T-80BVs are removed from storage and sent to units only after modernization, we will assume that the Far East was re-equipped with the T-80BVM.

This is how it can be considered so, if the contracts for only two T-80BVM battalions are known? Most likely both in the Kantemirovskaya division.

[Lord of the Sith]

31 units per motorized rifle brigade, total in 4 motorized rifle brigades 123 units T-80BVM.

[svp67]

Quote: Sith Lord

31 units per motorized rifle brigade, total in 4 motorized rifle brigades 123 units T-80BVM.

As before, the infantry in the battalions of 40 tanks had ... these are 160 units. Although if you take your numbers, it turns out 124 units

[Lord of the Sith]

I’m sorry, you’re right, it’s not a tank, but a motorized rifle brigade, so it’s not 31, but 41 units of T-80BVM (4 companies + 1 tank battalion).
It turns out 164 units of the T-80BVM.

[svp67]

Quote: Sith Lord

and 41 unit T-80BVM (4 companies + 1 battalion tank).

Maybe I’m confusing something, but they had four tanks in a platoon in three companies plus a KB tank, in any case in the Far East, in my baht it was like this

[Lord of the Sith]

But this is exactly the case with us in the DPR, and as you understand, we take all the latest changes from the Russian army. Here is a couple of brigades for example.

1st Separate Slavic Motorized Rifle Brigade (1 OSMBR), military unit 08801
Number: 4500 personnel, 40 tanks, 18 towed artillery, 18 self-propelled guns, up to 18 MLRS.
Composition:
Tank Battalion
1st Semenov Motorized Rifle Battalion
2st Semenov Motorized Rifle Battalion
Konstantinovsky reconnaissance battalion
Howitzer Artillery Division
Jet Artillery Division
Anti-tank artillery division

3rd Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade "Golden Eagle" (3 OMBR), military unit 08803
Number: 4500 personnel, 40 tanks, 18 self-propelled guns, up to 6 MLRS, barreled artillery.
Composition:
Tank Battalion
1st Motorized Rifle Battalion "Makeevskaya Don Hundred"
2th Motor Rifle Battalion
Battalion SpN "Merry demons" (special purpose)
Howitzer Artillery Division
Howitzer self-propelled artillery division
Missile artillery division, MLRS BM-21 "Grad")
Anti-tank artillery division

[svp67]

Quote: Sith Lord

But we have in the DNI

Each hut has its own toys. In Germany, in separate tank regiments of the border cover, five tanks in platoons were

[Miron]

In two tank "brigades" of the USA in Poland, 125 Abrams each.
Baghdad was taken by a tank "brigade" with a total complexity of 1500 Abrams, using a group of 500 vehicles in the initial operations, those where the Iraqis still resisted.
Considering the accumulation of tanks Leopard, Leclerc and Challenger in the Baltic states, the West has accumulated a tank fist in 500 heavy tower tanks on the western borders of Russia.
Therefore, the measures taken by Russia are rather palliative and catastrophically insufficient to create an effective defensive shield.

[Miron]

An adequate response in defense implies superior forces in which the lack of personal personnel is compensated by the presence of tactical nuclear weapons, which are continuously on high alert and continuously on air.
The reason is quite obvious. The goal of the defense is not to wait for a strike, but not knowing the time, place and vector of the aggressor, to have the necessary and sufficient resources to effectively prevent the very possibility of the opponent to create an effective advantage in forces on any sector of the front.
Given the provocative nature of the actions of the Western powers and the incessant attempts to foment a smoldering conflict, the troops should be able to hit the enemy on its territory, at its discretion, regardless of the level of confrontation, and if necessary, in order to enforce compliance with conditions comfortable for Russia.

[Shurale]

Recently, when discussing the characteristics of Almaty, after my question about what caliber of shells will be used, the opponent accused me of espionage, and here the person laid out the full alignment. And you don’t need to ask anything. Oh, m ...

[Lord of the Sith]

The man who called you a spy is stupid. This layout has been hanging out in the public domain since 2015. Well, I don’t post real state data to you.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Quote: Sith Lord

it means not 31, but 41 unit T-80BVM (4 companies + 1 battalion tank).
In total, 164 units of the T-80BVM are obtained.

Good day, Sergey As far as I know, at the end of the 2018 year - the beginning of the 2019 army received 160 repaired T-80BV. Most likely the T-80BVM, and not the T-80BVM, arrived in the Far East. At the 61 m tank repair plant Uralvagonzavoda (St. Petersburg), T-80BV is capitalized. The state order for the overhaul of eighty in Strelna goes in parallel with the contract for the modernization in Omsk of the T-80BVM party, the T-80BV tanks at the 9 parade on May 2019 in Khabarovsk.

[Aristarkh Lyudvigovich]

Exercises of the tank company of the 40th Marine Brigade, Radigino training ground, Kamchatka Territory, August 2019

[Lord of the Sith]

Good afternoon, Aristarchus More specifically, 120 T-80BV and 40 T-80BVM. If I am not mistaken.

[Miron]

You are mistaken, but it doesn’t matter.
You take off your hats well.

[seti]

The Far East, with its harsh climate, is perfect for the T-80. Of course, I would like all the local tank units to receive a complete update and modernization. Like the strategic reserve.

[newcomer]

on the Internet walks thinking that the partner T14 will be T95, etc., which they want to establish. I suppose, maybe to strengthen the T80BVM? and maybe indeed, with a 152mm gun. It will be a good complement to 125mm. Armata?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: newbie

on the Internet walks thinking that the partner T14 will be T95, etc., which they want to establish.

it would be nice but

Quote: newbie

online

also like that

Quote: newbie

thoughts were walking

that there were big problems with the launch of the T14, here, by the way, is an article about how to remove 80s from the reserve, and before that they upgraded 72, this news about T95 would not have remained thoughts on the Internet.

[newcomer]

experts think about it. Yes, and the production of T95 will be both cheaper and easier, an elongated case (7 rollers) from the T80. in general, there is no smoke without fire, soon we can read the article on the launch of pr.va and 95go.

[bayard]

There are talks about installing a cannon from the T-95 on the Armata, because with the current cannon its value divided by the cost is doubtful. It was easier at one time not to fool with "Armata", but to build even a limited batch of T-95. Now we have received an expensive seven-wheel tank with a conventional caliber cannon. A lot of tanks are needed for a real war, so the T-72, T-80, T-90 are being modernized. It's cheaper . And only a cannon of much greater power can justify the production of such a platform as "Armata". Then the price and difficulties with production and development in the army will be justified. But this will already be a special-purpose tank - for storming the enemy's highly defended fortifications, for a breakthrough, capable of using special ammunition if necessary.

[newcomer]

but why fool with the increase in caliber if new shots for the T14 hit someone else's armor in the tail and mane? you do not criticize me and do not interpret me. in the first comment my question was raised, not a statement. Now the next question, why do they want to restore the T95? I think it might make sense out of 3 thousand in storage to pull out a few hundred for the base under T95. the need for a new generation car with a gas turbine engine, because the T80BVM should be replaced by a successor.

[Albert1988]

Quote: newbie

I think it might make sense out of 3 thousand in storage to pull out a few hundred for the base under T95.

M What is it like? To cut old tanks under new? It will be much more expensive than making new ones from scratch.

Quote: newbie

in the first comment my question was raised, not a statement. Now the next question, why do they want to restore the T95?

Do they want him? The only question remains - what kind of beast is this "T-95"? I dare to suggest that in this case I mean an interesting car. created by Omsk residents in the late 90s as a further development of the 80s, namely object 640 "black eagle".
But only in this case it will not be necessary to restore it. but to create anew, because then Omsk residents presented only a model of the car, with a half-fake tower and fake devices. On the other hand, the "black eagle" is already outdated, especially when the T-14 appeared. which is much less before mass production (in fact, the first batch of serial ones went already).

[SASHA OLD]

Quote: newbie

Now the next question, why do they want to restore the T95?

and where infa that they want to restore it?

[Albert1988]

Quote: bayard

Talk is about installing a gun from the T-95 to Armata, because with the current gun its value divided by the cost is doubtful.

It has normal cost, but just with a 152 mm monster its cost will fly away to heaven, as alas. It is very difficult to establish the production of 152 mm tank shells, and 2A83 has not yet been brought to mind and has an extremely small barrel resource.
And 2A82 - although it has 125 mm. but the ballistics there are very good and can withstand good loads, so the new BOPs for it can do without increasing the caliber ...

[bayard]

I do not advocate a new tank and a new gun. On the contrary, I believe that the T-90 and the modernized T-72 are quite satisfied with the ground forces, as well as the T-80BVM.
The question is that the combat value of the "Armata" is only 15% higher than that of the T-90, but the price is at least 1,5 times higher. But the T-72 for such a price, you can upgrade an entire company.
+ development in the troops, the availability of spare parts, repair kits ...
The question arises - why would the troops "Armata". It will be a complete crap with the development, maintenance, repair, spare parts, all the related infrastructure. All this is time, money, combat readiness.
Therefore, if we already put into production a new - larger tank, then I would like it to justify the money spent and all the inconveniences associated with the rearmament of it with its combat capabilities.
Experts said right away that the T-14 would be a dubious product with such a gun - at the very beginning of work on "a simplified version of the T-95 with a conventional gun." Now that the tank is ready and tested, all the fears of honest specialists have been confirmed. But the money has been spent, the assembly lines are ready for production ... And again the question arose ... economics ... and finance. What is better to spend money on, one T-14, or modernize 6-10 T-72s?
And the choice was made right - the updated T-72, T-80, T-90 go to the troops.
What to do with the T-14?
He has a good chassis, a good gun, a good armored capsule for the crew ... But he is only 15% more efficient than his predecessors ...
So the men of the sovereign are racking their brains.
About the fact that the resource at 152 mm. the guns are small, I know. And I also know that I will have to develop the entire line of ammunition for a tank gun of this caliber.
And people who are concerned about this problem know all the more.

Personally, my opinion is to release a limited series of T-14 \ 15 \ 16 to equip one division. And to study in practice all the advantages and disadvantages of this technique, the tactics of application, operation, maintenance and repair. And continue the development work. Without fanaticism, but systematically and thoughtfully. If there is a need to return to the topic of the T-95, then you need to return to the platform "Armata" - it is tested and ready for production (in production). If it is possible to bring the characteristics and resource 152 mm. guns to acceptable values, then it will be a completely different tank. Yes Dear . Yes, not as massive as the T-72 \ 80, but it will be a tank for slightly different tasks - for those tasks that the IS-2 was solving at the end of the Second World War. Special purpose assault tank.

In recent years, I have had enough examples of the use of 125 mm in our Donbass. tank guns for capital buildings \ residential buildings. When a tank shell (high explosive) hits the main wall, it makes an 0,5 - 1 hole with a diameter in it and carries out a couple of partitions with an explosive wave. Best case scenario . And if a projectile of 152 mm caliber gets into the building. then the whole staircase collapses. It would seem that there would not be such a big difference in caliber and weight (30 kg. Vs. 50 kg.), But the result differs by multiple. What does this mean in the event of an assault on highly protected enemy fortifications, I hope you understand yourself.
Artillery fires from closed positions, so the possibility of a direct shot at an identified target during a fast-moving battle, I hope to evaluate for yourself. This is a BIG increase in the combat capabilities of the tank.
And such a tank is needed.
But in no case to the detriment of the saturation of troops with modernized MBTs of the previous generation - they are the basis and backbone of the armored forces.

[Albert1988]

Quote: bayard

The question is that the combat value of the "Armata" is only 15% higher than that of the T-90,

the statement is oooh very controversial - the T-14 (the armata is just a platform, not a tank) is secret in the first place, and in the second it still exists in a test form, so that its combat capabilities can ultimately surpass those of the T-90 just in times ..

Quote: bayard

The question arises - why would the troops "Armata". It will be a complete crap with the development, maintenance, repair, spare parts, all the related infrastructure. All this is time, money, combat readiness.

You can’t imagine what hemorrhoids were at one time for the Red Army T-34 and KV-1! But during the Great Patriotic War, these machines can be said to have saved the USSR.

Quote: bayard

What to do with the T-14?
He has a good chassis, a good gun, a good armored capsule for the crew ... But he is only 15% more efficient than his predecessors ...

Again the question - where does the infa about "15%" come from if the car is 100% secret?

Quote: bayard

Personally, my opinion is to release a limited series of T-14 \ 15 \ 16, to equip one division

What is now being done, in fact)))

Quote: bayard

And continue the development work. Without fanaticism, but systematically and thoughtfully.

This is always done - R&D never stops during the normal development of any industry. Actually, according to the UVZ management, work on the 152 mm tank gun is still ongoing and is not going to stop.

Quote: bayard

Yes, not as massive as the T-72 \ 80, but it will be a tank for slightly different tasks - for those tasks that the IS-2 solved at the end of the Second World War. Assault tank for special purposes.

Mass tanks are in fact not as needed as before, only as a pleasant bonus for supporting infantry. About IS-2 and a hypothetical assault tank - reasonable unification prevails now, narrowly specialized vehicles are practically no longer needed ...

Quote: bayard

In recent years, I have had enough examples of the use of 125 mm in our Donbass. tank guns for capital buildings \ residential buildings. When a tank shell (high explosive) hits the main wall, it makes a hole of 0,5-1 m in diameter and makes a couple of partitions with an explosive wave.

It was you who observed the old 125 mm shells, exactly like the old 152 mm. But the possibilities of the new 125 mm have not yet been seen anywhere.

Quote: bayard

This is a BIG increase in the combat capabilities of the tank.

Who told you that the T-14 will not allow this to be achieved? Situational awareness, the ability to detect and track targets, the ability to exchange information with other machines in the unit at the T-14 is just several times higher than that of the T-90 and, especially, the T-72. This is not to mention security and firepower.

Once again I will repeat the most important thing - T-14 - SECRET car, its capabilities are STRONGLY SPECIFIED! We do not know them!
And the main problem with the T-14, just like with other vehicles of the armata line and with the coalition-SV, is that for their use it is necessary to greatly alter the entire system of building units, tactics, management, etc. Then we will get a "multiple increase" - this is a forward movement, we cannot do without it. Yes, it is expensive and difficult, and professional crews and technical services are needed, but without this there is no way, alas ...

[bayard]

Well, perhaps you convinced me. In addition, I do not observe any special discrepancies either in our views or in the actions of the military and political leadership. The differences are only in accents.
In the event of an imminent war with the HF, they are removed and put into operation through the modernization of the T-72, T-80, how the modernization of the BMP-2 and even the BMP-1 are carried out - this is correct and this is done.
T-14 is adopted and the first batch is being built.
Work continues on 152mm. tank gun.
And all in reasonable proportions.

[Albert1988]

Quote: bayard

Well, perhaps you convinced me. In addition, I do not observe any special discrepancies either in our views or in the actions of the military and political leadership. The differences are only in accents.

Glad to!

Quote: bayard

In the event of an imminent war with the HF, they are removed and put into operation through the modernization of the T-72, T-80, how the modernization of the BMP-2 and even the BMP-1 are carried out - this is correct and this is done.

Exactly! So in the near future, a large number of "old" equipment will be modernized, which can be sent to the HH, and, if necessary, in the future, already very adequate cars with good filling and body kit will be re-mothballed.

Quote: bayard

T-14 is adopted and the first batch is being built.

Actually, a small curiosity is that the first batch is already under construction (approximately 80 T-14, 40 T-15 and another 14-16 T-16) even before being put into service, for trial operation in the troops.

Quote: bayard

Work continues on 152mm. tank gun.

Purely my opinion - it would be good to have, in addition to machines with 125 mm guns, machines with 152 mm, which are maximally unified with each other. Vehicles with a "standard" 125 mm caliber will perform the usual range of tasks for MBT, and heavier ones with 152 mm will serve primarily as anti-tank vehicles (taking into account the thick skin of western and not only tanks and the development of KAZ), as well as a caliber of 152 mm. convenient for using all kinds of missile weapons launched through the barrel. In my humble opinion, when implementing the principle of network-centric war, such machines will complement each other very well.

[bayard]

Quote: Albert1988

Purely my opinion - it would be good to have, in addition to machines with 125 mm guns, machines with 152 mm, which are maximally unified with each other. Vehicles with a "standard" 125 mm caliber will perform the usual range of tasks for MBT, and heavier ones with 152 mm will serve primarily as anti-tank vehicles (taking into account the thick skin of western and not only tanks and the development of KAZ), as well as a caliber of 152 mm. convenient for using all kinds of missile weapons launched through the barrel. In my humble opinion, when implementing the principle of network-centric war, such machines will complement each other very well.

I hope it will be so in the case of "Armata" - two versions with 125 and 152 mm guns.

[Albert1988]

Quote: bayard

I hope it will be so in the case of "Armata" - two versions with 125 and 152 mm guns.

Considering. that the T-14 is not particularly different in size from the object 195, then it is entirely possible to put 152 mm, if only by then we will not switch to railguns))))

[Albert1988]

Quote: newbie

on the Internet walks thinking that the partner T14 will be T9

The question is - what is meant by "T-95"? We do not have such a machine yet, it is assumed. that this can be called just the T-14 after its official adoption into service, because. that the T-14 is a factory index, not a military one.

[newcomer]

mean in order. 1. The “Black Eagle” is an object 640. (unofficially it was called T80UM2). T95 is a heavier version of the 640th, because it was planned to put a 152-caliber gun. 3. why then, when creating the machine, didn’t they make a new building, but did they extend the body of 80s by one roller? because it’s cheaper than making a new one. 4 about the series_ nothing the T14 series does not interfere with the launch of the T95 series. 5. he did not have time to become obsolete, so the elemental base allows all T95 electronics (it is completely identical to the Black Eagle) to unify with T14. 6. since the question has come up, then there are some kind of motions. for “Eagle” with a 135mm gun, or 95 with 152 mm are needed. in a short time, the modernization of the 72nd and 80s will end purely physically. what's next? during this time, you need to saturate the Army T90M, T14 and the next generation of the 80th family. time will tell. but I think so.

[Albert1988]

Quote: newbie

T95 heavier version of the 640th

The T-95 can never be a "heavier version of the 640". since it simply does NOT exist - the T-95 is a phantom name coined by the Israeli press in the late 90s to designate, first of all, object 195 ...
And they planned to put 152 mm on the 640th, 125 was there simply because. that there was simply nothing else. Again, Object 640 is essentially just a mockup! There is no electronics inside, the tower there is "luminous", the Omsk people were then in such a state that they could not fully develop and roll out anything. Therefore, preference was given to the object 195 with UVZ, and the Omsk people were attached to the Tagilians. So the 640 simply cannot become obsolete - for it has not yet been properly created!

Quote: newbie

why then when creating the machine they didn’t make a new building, but did they extend the body of the 80s by one roller?

Again - Omsk were not in a condition to create a completely new car! Therefore, they went along the simplest path - development based on existing chassis. Naturally, when the Tagilians rolled out their 195th with a full 152 mm fool - they gave preference to them. And Omsk rolled out just a layout without filling.

Quote: newbie

he didn’t have time to become obsolete, so the elemental base allows all T95 electronics (it is completely identical to “Black Eagle”) to unify with T14

That's right, there is actually no electronics for the "black eagle" - just ideas and sketches.

Quote: newbie

about the series_ nothing the T14 series does not interfere with the launch of the T95 series

Given that the army has taken a course towards unification and transition to unified platforms, and the modernization of the T-72/80/90 is a temporary measure, while the armature is being tested and all possible jambs are eliminated.

Quote: newbie

since the question has come up, then there are some kind of motions.

The question is - when and where did the question "come up" with the resuscitation of the "black eagle"? Officially, no one said anything, and everything else was idle speculation ...

Quote: newbie

for “Eagle” with a 135mm gun,

it will not work — not a standard caliber — to establish the production of such shells and to accumulate the necessary quantity of them — an economically and industrially unrealistic task for us now in an acceptable time frame.

Quote: newbie

either 95 with 152 mm

Then the T-14 with a 152 mm gun, the benefit of its direct ancestor - the object 195 carried it normally, did not groan, and it was designed just for an uninhabited tower.

Quote: newbie

in a short time, the modernization of the 72nd and 80s will end purely physically. what's next?

I’ll tell you - it’s already over! The T-90AM (or T-90MS) is actually a terminal modification, you simply cannot squeeze the most out of the old famous line ...

Quote: newbie

during this time, you need to saturate the Army T90M, T14 and the next generation of the 80th family. time will tell. but I think so.

During this time, the T-14 will be brought to mind, which will then become the main and only, with possible modifications, and while this is coming, the modernized 72th, 80th and 90th will pull the strap, which will then go with a pure heart to the reserve, just serve as good mobilization machines.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: seti

The Far East with its harsh climate is perfect for the T-80.

wow ... the climate is suitable for the tank)) Not the other way should be, no? The technique is to be created for a theater, rather than looking for a theater for a theater.
By the way, the problem of cold start is solved not only by installing a voracious gas turbine engine.

[Graz]

Saving, it’s clear that it’s cheaper and faster than making the latest t-90 and armata

[ioan-e]

It is unlikely that the Far East direction is considered a priority in the sense of threats, therefore, the T-90 and armata are more needed in the West, since leopards and Abrams dart in the Baltic, and not near Vladivostok.

[Tahtvjd2868]

Here the animals are seriously darting .. Si Volf all sorts .. Virgins ..

[ioan-e]

Quote: Tahtvjd2868

Here the animals are seriously darting .. Si Volf all sorts .. Virgins ..

Something I did not hear that harpoons were included in the ammunition of tanks

[syndicalist]

Near Vladivostok, almost two-thirds of the PLA tanks (more than 7000) and almost all of the artillery (more than 10000 barrels) dash around. An amazing thing is here, and not on the border with India, Vietnam. And on their military maps, for some reason, all of Siberia is painted over with a yellow stripe, as "temporarily lost."

[Black_Vatnik]

Can I have at least one sample of such a card? Only to make any claims to the original PLA.

[Hadji Murat]

But it turns out we were almost captured here ????? God damn it, Vladivostok doesn’t know about it)) but seriously, it’s 50 km straight to the Chinese border, and both sides diverted armaments from the border in the 90s, I remember while military equipment columns left the Border region of Primorye

[Vitaly L]

I read somewhere that the T-80 is in the South Korean Army. And I don’t remember a certain amount of BMP-3. In another 90, due to debts, they were given to South Koreans.

[svp67]

Quote: Vitaly L

I read somewhere that the T-80 is in the South Korean Army.

There are, as in the army of Yemen

[svp67]

VVO motorized rifle formations are completely rearmament on T-80BVM tanks

In the tank cycle in nature ... First, from T-80BV to T-72Б3 then to T-80BVM ... Although I support, the return of T-80 to the troops would be put there, it would be good

[Konatantin 1992]

Good days, my friend !!! probably an interesting T-80UEM tank?

[svp67]

Quote: Konatantin 1992

probably an interesting T-80 tank?

If you are interested in looking at the T-80UE, then take a look at the first day of the "tank biathlon 2019", where female crews performed.

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

If you are interested in looking at the T-80UE

T-80UE as it were, but the T-80UEM has not yet been shown to us. Secret development?

[svp67]

Quote: Gregory_45

Secret development?

Why? No. Modernization of protection on the model of "Breakthrough"

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

Although I support, the return of the T-80 to the troops

what for? So that the assortment was again (three MBTs in service?) The T-80 has a kilometer fuel consumption of 1,6-1,8 times more than the T-72. We drive them to the Far East and the North. How to deliver fuel in such volumes? Who thought about logistics about logistics?

[svp67]

Quote: Gregory_45

So that the assortment was again (three MBTs in service?)

Not three, but two. The T-64 is not in service with us, and the T-90 is another modification of the T-72 tank, otherwise we will have to accept that the T-80 is a completely different tank than the T-80Б

Quote: Gregory_45

The T-80 has a kilometer fuel consumption of 1,6-1,8 times that of the T-72.

You are not right. It is then necessary to compare the power of tank engines. And subtract from the total consumption the amount of consumed coolant and oil

Quote: Gregory_45

How to deliver fuel in such volumes? Who thought about logistics about logistics?

In the same way as they were delivered, there are fuel and lubricant services in the rear system

[Grigory_45]

Quote: svp67

You are not right

right A kilometer-long consumption is how much the tank spends traveling over a distance of 1 km, whether it has an engine of 1500 hp. or 750 mares. T-80 eats fuel much more than diesel T-72/90. In general, it’s very stupid to argue about this parameter, everyone knows that.

Quote: svp67

Not three, but two

exactly three. Because the T-72 and T-90 are not one machine, they differ, and in some parameters - quite a lot.

Quote: svp67

In the same way as delivered

wow .. T-80 were in the North? I remember that they were delivered to the exercises by tankers-helicopters, then it was fun. And very "cheap". Are you even in the subject, or so, blurt out?

[svp67]

Quote: Gregory_45

The T-80 consumes much more fuel than the diesel T-72 / 90. In general, it’s very stupid to argue about this parameter, everyone knows that.

What is known? Comparison of GTD-1100 with V-46? Have you tried to compare the GTD-1250 with the B-92? 225 g / h.p. * hour against - 158, with a power of 1400 hp -1100. Engines of the B-2 family have exhausted their modernization capabilities. Any increase in power is already given with great effort and often does not lead to the desired results. How many videos are already there that they are beginning to "smoke the sky", that that "coal steamer". And how can you reduce the operating time of the air cleaner on the B-30 to 92 hours of operation? How can you get on with an engine that has gone out due to dust wear, in the middle of the snow, but with still full fuel tanks? The new 2-V-2 has a number of features that make it difficult to install it in old tanks, so it is stupid to refuse the very successful GTD-1250, especially since the GTD-1500 is already working normally and the GTD-2000 is quite possible

Quote: Gregory_45

Because the T-72 and T-90 are not the same machine, they differ, and in some parameters it is quite strong.

Yeah, just like T-80Б with T-80У ... Any desire to argue?

Quote: Gregory_45

I remember that they were delivered to the exercises by tankers-helicopters, then it was fun. And it is very "cheap".

But war is not cheap at all. During the years of WWII Yu-52, the Germans dragged fuel to their tanks and nothing, considered it quite acceptable. So, the operational transfer of fuel by helicopters is a completely normal operation. It would also be nice to train with the IL-76 parachuting.

Quote: Gregory_45

Are you at all in the subject, or so, blabbering?

I’m also interested in this, but in your regard.

[Mestny]

Zagrudininets or what?
Run to yours - liberals, communists, and others.

[CT-55_11-9009]

And what is not said so? Russia still has not eaten the Soviet backlog / passed / sold. Underline whatever applicable.
I unfold the thesis: small arms are Soviet (and there is somehow no fundamentally new development), tank troops are based on Soviet technology (and its modernization; Armata is generally a symbiosis of several Soviet projects, but we think so, consider the Russian platform) , aviation - for the most part on Soviet and modernized equipment (well, they began production of the Russian Su-57), the fleet - for the most part, still Soviet-built, not counting RTOs, several destroyers and submarines (and those have Soviet projects), Strategic Missile Forces Soviet technology, air defense - the same thing (here the fastest so far is the rearmament of already Russian technology, which. again, the development of Soviet). This is the sun. In a peaceful and more or less peaceful industry: the majority of working people are still Soviet or Russian, but Soviet-style, scientific achievements and discoveries, too, Soviet production has not yet been completely destroyed, the housing stock is at least half Soviet-built. ILV - still Soviet projects (and a purely Russian Angara - didn’t turn out to be a cake at all), the Soviet automobile industry was almost killed, this is a fact. This is not all I wanted, I remembered, and google laziness now. A lot, right? Or is it still tsarist times hurt?

[Albert1988]

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

And what is not said so? Russia still has not eaten the Soviet backlog / passed / sold. Underline whatever applicable.

You know, it's so funny to divide everything into Russian and Soviet - Russia is a full-fledged successor to the USSR, so it's very good that we continue to develop Soviet developments, and the "fundamentally new" will not appear right away - firstly, the technical base will still remain Soviet, and secondly, we have only recently received normal funding!

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

the majority of working people are still Soviet or Russian, but Soviet-style

And as an education worker, I’ll tell you that more and more voices are heard about returning to the Soviet system ... full return, with only minor modifications (although there are also a lot of bad initiatives, alas).

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

Soviet production has not yet been completely destroyed

And great! And in some other places they were restored, crumbs, true, but still.

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

housing stock at least half Soviet-built

Here is the housing stock, just now very quickly updated to Russian.

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

but a purely Russian Angara - not a cake at all

Maybe because of the fact that for 10 years the Angara project was financed by 5% of what is needed?

Quote: CT-55_11-9009

the Soviet automobile industry is almost killed, it is a fact.

The Soviet auto industry died on its own, although the new "Vesta" of my daddy hints at something opposite ... Well, a bunch of new KAMAZ trucks on the roads ...
What am I doing? And besides, dividing into Soviet and Russian is a priori meaningless ...

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Albert1988

You know, it's so funny to divide everything into Russian and Soviet - Russia is a full-fledged successor to the USSR, so it's very good that we continue to develop Soviet developments, and the "fundamentally new" will not appear right away - firstly, the technical base will still remain Soviet, and secondly, we have only recently received normal funding!

Yes, I agree, the division is terribly strange, but the Local is just the right one for the answer. After all, what he said in response to "thanks to the Soviet groundwork":

Quote: Mestny

Zagrudininets or what?
Run to yours - liberals, communists, and others.

This is normal? I understand that our current achievements on the Soviet basis (and achievements) are based, only this needs to be explained to the Local. I could not, apparently. Try it, maybe it will work out.

Quote: Albert1988

And as an education worker, I’ll tell you that more and more voices are heard about returning to the Soviet system ... full return, with only minor modifications (although there are also a lot of bad initiatives, alas).

I am with arms and legs for! I was taught by the remaining old teachers in the Soviet system, and therefore didn’t grow dumb.

Quote: Albert1988

Here is the housing stock, just now very quickly updated to Russian.

It depends on where. In Moscow and millionaires - yes, but in not so large cities the situation will be worse: they are building a lot, but buying an apartment even with a mortgage with a salary of about 27-28 thousand rubles for two (for a young family, let's say) is unbearable, and the resettlement comes from frankly dilapidated huts. So there are enough pitfalls.

Quote: Albert1988

Maybe because of the fact that for 10 years the Angara project was financed by 5% of what is needed?

Not really. Rather, because the development began 20 years ago, and therefore Angara is morally outdated. And the tasks were initially set strange. In addition, the modular system looked (and still looks) promising, "fashionable, youthful", but it just turned out that the rocket is a little more complicated than the Lego designer and there are enough problems with the layout of the same type of blocks, therefore the light "Angara-1" and the heavy one flew "Angara-5" (from the first there were no problems with the layout, the second was finalized with a file). "Angara-3" hung like a spherical horse in a vacuum, but they don't even stutter about "Angara-5V" (superheavy). Therefore, we fly on missiles of Soviet design: relatively cheap, reliable, worked out, production is set up and there is no need to build new launchers. Yes, and usual.

Quote: Albert1988

The Soviet auto industry died on its own, although the new "Vesta" of my daddy hints at something opposite ... Well, a bunch of new KAMAZ trucks on the roads ...
What am I doing? And besides, dividing into Soviet and Russian is a priori meaningless ...

How to say he died ... Soviet cars in the 70-80s were even appreciated in the West. There was stagnation - this is true, but by the beginning of the 90s new projects had already been prepared, and if it were not for the perestroika and the collapse of the USSR, who knows how our auto industry felt ... WOULD. The new Lada models are, after all, Renault under a different brand. So ours they are relative. We have a lively production of trucks, that’s right: KamAZ, Miass, GAZ, could have forgotten something else. But even then, as far as I know, KamAZ trucks have imported transmissions (and this is an important unit).
Dividing into Soviet and Russian is not so pointless. Technique, development, production - it makes no sense, one of the other follows. But the systems (management, education, economic, etc.) are different, and almost radically.

[Albert1988]

Quote: Desdecado

Thank you, the Soviet hurt, and then cartoons, like a shame, fig - you can’t cover it.

As practice has shown, "cartoons" turned out to be very real ...

[gabonskijfront]

In 1934, a Jewish joint-stock company was established, which indicates the almost century-old presence of Jewish identity in the Far East. And the 69th cover brigade (Jewish Autonomous Region) is easily made the 69th Jewish brigade (cover of the Autonomous Region). Thus, all this can be interpreted from a historical perspective, as a hotbed of Jewish identity. This is how history is written.

[skinar]

Yeah, Moses obviously didn’t go around the blue for 30 years, during this time the Jews emigrated to the Far East, where they crossed the Sea of ​​Japan, destroying the real Japanese (it’s no coincidence that such a difference between the Ainu and other inhabitants of the islands), so the EAO is formed just closer to New Homeland Jews ...

So we wrote a story on VO quickly ...

[My_log_in]

I would like to understand why the "English Channel" tanks are sent to the Far East?

[Non liberoid Russian]

the ice age will come, they will trample over the ice of the Pacific Ocean to Japan and Mexico, to protect the former US from the evil Canadians

[Graz]

then China is still worried

[Eragon]

Quote: My_Log_In

I would like to understand why the "English Channel" tanks are sent to the Far East?

For the same reasons as in the Far North. From temperature.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

A good tank, for that region, an irreplaceable thing will be.

[Tahtvjd2868]

Is it mandatory to indicate where and which tanks are located? And why didn’t the GPS coordinates of each tank, the names and addresses of crew accommodation

[V1er]

Why not the t-72b3? Why not unify all the tanks? Leave armature, t-72 and t-90 (deep modernization of t-72)

[Grigory_45]

we will assume that the Far East was rearmament on the T-80BVM.

yes no, dear authors, again wishful thinking. BBO rearmament on the T-80BV. If they had dug a little deeper, they would have found a photo of these tanks at the parade on May 9, 2019 in Khabarovsk.

overhaul of 80-ok and modernization to the level of BVM goes in parallel.

As part of the Russian Armed Forces, T-80BV tanks are equipped with tank battalions of the 25th, 57th and 200th motorized rifle brigades, a tank battalion of the 394th motorized rifle regiment of the 127th motorized rifle division, two separate tank companies of the 18th machine gun and artillery division , a separate tank company of the 40th Marine Brigade. Kayetemirovka rides on the T-80U

[Hadji Murat]

the title is not true, is it ALL? brigades and divisions rearm? in Primorye, everyone drives a T-72)))

[Grigory_45]

Quote: Hadji Murat

title is not true

as usual on VO lately All the news from the category "! I see it that way" and "OBS radio reported." Everything, the resource has outlived its usefulness has become a clone of "Made by us" and the super site "Ukryakalka."

[carstorm 11]

motorized rifle? did not try to read completely?

[mojohed2012]

I remember in the Chelyabinsk tank at the beginning of the 2000, they used the old t-72Us, and in the parks there were many different tanks in storage, but many were understaffed without spare parts and more. Looted in 90. Now, apparently, an order has been given - to complete everything and be ready ...

[gregoryivanov]

What is this nonsense? In the units there are T-72B3, I'm not even talking about the BMP-2 falling apart from old age, one of three pieces starts up, the rest are cabled "from the pusher", when a convoy of BMPs goes by, they can probably be seen from space by the eerie black trail of smoking dead to death engines ... a most deplorable sight, believe me ...

[carstorm 11]

I’m afraid you don’t understand what you’re saying. One of three cars cannot start in the units. we are not Germans and the system works differently. in all parts, the availability of equipment is always monitored. the crews will spend the night in the parks but the cars will leave. even canned food. I damn for years of service, I do not remember what would happen. this is the end to everyone. the health of the machines is constantly monitored. are you from Ukraine by any chance? then such a game will become more clear. further even worse, t 72 b3 is not in service with everyone. what are you talking about? falling apart from old bmp 2? Yes, you sho? and how many of them didn’t start at the last exercises and didn’t fulfill the tasks? where do you come from at all ...

[gregoryivanov]

Mr. Sofa General, I am reporting: I am from the city of Khabarovsk in the Far East, and you probably do not know that this is, after all, the Eastern Military District, the former Red Banner Far East. Last year, we held a large-scale exercise "Vostok 2018", during which military enlistment offices, for once, attracted those in reserve. So, in these exercises, and not in the pictures and reports of the staff rats, both the T-72B3 and the BMP-2 surfaced, starting with one battery on one battery, and then the rest - with a cable, from the pusher. I saw it with my own eyes, as well as the issued automatic machines with through holes from corrosion in the gas chamber. And stop, finally, using the favorite stamp of moronic putinoids - to accuse unfoundedly the opponent of being from a shitty Khokhlyand, if you do not like what you have heard or read.

[Diverter]

in the comments, they came to the resurrection of T-95))), they got to the point that T 14 is not needed, 1 division is enough)) and so on and so on.
1. Armata. The platform is really expensive, but! The most expensive spare part in the tank is the crew. The aim of the project was to make the KV tank of the 2020 model, because now the women do not give birth. The military, having received a large toy, requested a bigger gun for it. The situation with KV 1 and KV 2 is repeated like everything in life.
Total: Armata is needed, since it copes best with the task of maintaining the crew. And also performs the role of a transition platform to a large robot.
2. Modernization of T 72 \ 90. The tanks are excellent but very old. And Armata is expensive and not brought to mind.
Total: modernization with a major overhaul, the need otherwise you can get into a wonderful).
3. T 80. The tank has a well-known minus. Greater fuel consumption than others. All. Otherwise, it is an ideal tank for cold theater. But he is also old. And in the north and east there can be provocations.
Total: modernization with CWR and modification is an urgent need.