Flying Saucers in Aviation History

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The events of 1947, when it is believed that a flying saucer of aliens crashed near the town of Roswell in the United States, seriously affected world pop culture. The distribution of portable cameras and movie cameras, which became much more accessible in the second half of the 20th century, also played a role. As a result, more and more people became observers of various unidentified flying objects, the origin and nature of which they could not explain, but could capture on film.





Over time, flying saucers and various disc-shaped objects became the symbol of UFOs around the world, and the interest in such unusual phenomena has become so great that today even UFO Day exists in the world, which is also called UFO Day. At the same time, the only flying saucers, the existence of which has a scientific basis, are not connected in any way with guests from other planets or extraterrestrial intelligence and have a completely terrestrial origin. Already at the beginning of the 20th century, the first attempts to create disk-shaped aircraft appeared. Despite the fact that the most famous projects on creating flying saucers are associated with history Hitlerite Germany, the first projects in this area were carried out not in Europe, but in the USA and even before the outbreak of World War II.

Chance Vaught Umbrella Aircraft


The first work on unusual projects of aircraft with a round wing began at the very dawn of development aviation. Currently, the designer, who, for the first time in history, turned to the disc-shaped wing, is considered an American by Chance Vout. As early as 1911, this inventor first proposed the creation of an aircraft of unusual shape and design. It was a project of an aircraft with a wooden structure and a disk-shaped wing of a large area. An umbrella airplane made of the simplest materials - wood and fabric - went down in history forever, although it did not complete a single flight.

The design of the unusual aircraft was simple and consisted of 9 beams, which when connected were a star. Between the wooden beams, Chance Woot pulled an ordinary cloth, a similar design very much resembled an umbrella in shape, so the aircraft got its name. At the rear of the aircraft were two fabric elevons that were located on movable extension beams. The wheeled landing gear was three-post.

Flying Saucers in Aviation History

Chance Vaught Umbrella Aircraft


The American designer turned to the disk-shaped form of the wing, as he believed that a large-area wing would provide the aircraft with great lift, allowing the machine to take off at low speed. Unfortunately, the unusual aircraft of Chance Vout did not fly up to the sky, so the designer failed to confirm or refute his ideas. It is known that at about the same time a similar aircraft was designed in the UK, but that car crashed in the first flight immediately after taking off from the ground.

Steven Nemeth's Flying Saucer


The second American designer, who set about trying to create an airplane with a disc-shaped wing, was Stephen Nemeth. Unlike its predecessor, Németh created a plane that flew into the sky and quite successfully performed flights. The aircraft with an almost perfectly round wing was created by Nemeth in collaboration with students of the University of Miami, this happened in 1934 year. An unusual aircraft, which attracted the views of the townsfolk with one of its appearance, went down in history under the name Nemeth Parasol. Unofficial nicknames based on its similarity with an umbrella and saucer were also assigned to this aircraft.

To create an unusual aircraft, the designer used the elongated fuselage of the previously decommissioned Alliance A-1 Argo serial biplane; lengthening the fuselage made it possible to double. Directly above the fuselage was a wing of perfectly round shape. The wing was located on special struts, like on ordinary biplanes, there were ailerons on the wingtips. The heart of the aircraft was the Warner Scarab radial aircraft engine, which developed 110 horsepower. Engine power was enough to provide the aircraft with a maximum flight speed of more than 217 km / h. At the same time, landing speed was very small - only 40 km / h, which allowed the aircraft to land on very tiny sites.


Steven Nemeth's Flying Saucer


The main feature of the next "flying umbrella" was a round wing with a diameter of 4,6 meters. A slight lengthening of the wing allowed the aircraft to fly at larger than usual angles of attack, and also provided the aircraft with a smooth and non-dangerous decrease, which was somewhat reminiscent of a decrease in a parachute pilot. Actually, the wing also performed the role of a parachute, which Stephen Nemeth demonstrated during test flights. The plane could make a soft landing almost vertically with the engine turned off. Low landing speeds and round wing capabilities made the aircraft very easy to fly even for novice pilots. Despite a number of advantages of further development, the “flying saucer” did not receive Nemeth, at the turn of the 1934-1935 the project was abandoned, it didn’t go beyond the constructed flight instance. Moreover, even later developments on this project were most likely used in the USA in the design of gyroplanes.

Flying pancake. XF5U fighter


The United States remained true to itself during the Second World War. Attempts to create a plane of unusual shape continued in the war years and led to the creation of an experimental fighter, which was called Flying Pancake (flying pancake), the official V-173 index. The disk-shaped fighter, to the creation of which the designer Charles Zimmerman had a hand, first flew into the sky in November 1942. Later, on the basis of this model, they tried to create a carrier-based fighter, which received the XF5U index.

For the first time, Charles Zimmerman turned to the idea of ​​creating a disk-shaped aircraft back in the 1937 year, his initial goal was to create a flying car, which science fiction writers have actively written about. However, the commercial prospects of the civilian version were considered rather vague. Therefore, the leadership of the company Chance-Vought, which supported the unusual Zimmermann project, recommended that the designer abandon the idea of ​​a civilian three-seater aircraft, focusing on creating a fighter that could interest the military.


V-173 in flight


As a result, one of the strangest aircraft of the 20th century was born, which differed from any modern aircraft in its extremely unusual appearance. "Flying pancake" received a glider without a fuselage, made in the form of a semicircle. In the front of the aircraft, the designer placed the cockpit, and two engines with three-blade propellers were installed on the sides of the cockpit. At the rear of the aircraft, one could see two small-sized half-wings - horizontal stabilizers with elevators, as well as two vertical stabilizers on which rudders were located. The total length of the unusual experimental fighter did not exceed 8,1 meters, and the width - 7,1 meters.

The new aircraft was actively tested for several years, the last flights of prototypes were completed only in 1947, and in total at least 190 flights or 132 flight hours were performed. At the same time, the maximum flight speed of the V-173 did not exceed 222 km / h. The reason was the low power of the engines installed on the prototype, each of them developed no more than 80 hp. Much more successful was the prototype for the US Navy, which was designated the XF5U. In total, two experimental aircraft of this model were built. The aircraft with a maximum take-off weight of more than 8,5 tons received Pratt & Whitney R-2000 engines with a capacity of 1350 hp, adequate for its weight and dimensions. each. Thanks to this, one of the prototypes developed a speed of 811 km / h in horizontal flight.


XF5U carrier-based fighter prototype


Despite a number of successes, the project was curtailed in 1947. Although the XF5U could be used effectively from aircraft carriers, with a mass of more than 8,5 tons, the aircraft could take off from small sites. At the same time, the controllability of the aircraft left much to be desired, and the design using two piston engines was considered obsolete. The era of jet aviation was approaching, and it was not possible to install jet engines on board the XF5U, with such an upgrade the aircraft would become completely uncontrollable in flight.

Flying Saucers of the Third Reich


Aircraft designer Charles Zimmerman, who launched the “flying pancake” story in the United States, emigrated to America from Germany. But even without it, in the homeland of Willy Messerschmitt and Hugo Junkers there were designers who were also attracted to the idea of ​​creating an aircraft of an unusual disk-shaped shape. It was the developments of the Third Reich that gained the greatest fame in the world and gave rise to a lot of conspiracy theories, becoming a real element of modern pop culture, lit up in a large number of fantastic books, films and comics.

As often happens with conspiracy theories, they have nothing to do with reality. Most of the projects that were described after the end of World War II, had nothing to do with reality and did not even exist in the form of drawings. At the same time, in the wake of interest in UFOs in the second half of the 20th century, such literature became widespread, first in Europe and then throughout the world. At the same time, German designers did develop unusual aircraft in form, but these were experiments with gyroplanes, helicopters and ekranoplanes.


Sack AS-6


Most likely, the only German aircraft of the Second World War, which resembled a UFO in shape, is the experimental Sack AS-6 aircraft, whose photographs have survived to this day. It seems curious that the only German project of a disk-shaped aircraft, which reached the stage of construction of a prototype, was created by a self-taught amateur. The design of a disk-shaped aircraft at the end of the 1930's was proposed by Arthur Zack, an ordinary peasant from near Leipzig.

It helped Zack that Colonel General Ernst Udet became interested in his unusual plane, and he gave Sack AS-6 a ticket to life. But the experimental aircraft was only ready for the 1944 year. It is believed that only one built instance came to flight tests. The prototype was built using various elements of other aircraft. So, the cockpit was taken from the Me Bf-109B fighter, the engine was removed from the Me Bf-108, on which the 8-cylinder air-cooled Arnus 240 horsepower was installed. The only native thing in the Sack AS-6 aircraft was a round wing, which was made of wood and lined with plywood. The total mass of a small aircraft with a wing diameter of 6,4 meters did not exceed 800 kg. That's just the plane failed to rise into the sky. Everything was limited only by runway runs. In conditions when the Third Reich was falling apart literally before our eyes, suffering serious defeats in the East and in the West, nobody began to finalize and bring to mind the project.

After the Second World War, interest in aircraft of an unusual round shape did not disappear. Only now Canadians seized the palm, who for a long time and persistently tried to impose on their neighbors unusual Avrocar developments. The story of how Canadians in the 1950 and the beginning of the 1960's tried to sell their disc-shaped aircraft to the American military and realize the concept of a “flying jeep” is worthy of a separate story.



Despite numerous failures with the attempt to create disk-shaped aircraft, such projects still attract numerous engineers from different countries. Last news To create “flying saucers”, they came to us from Romania, where the designers Razvan Sabi and Joseph Tapos are busy creating an apparatus capable of performing vertical take-off and landing and performing horizontal flight at supersonic speed. So far, tests have been carried out only unmanned prototype apparatus with a diameter of 1,2 meters. It is known that the experimental sample is equipped with four electric fans, which are necessary to ensure vertical take-off and landing of the apparatus, and two fans installed in the rear part and designed for horizontal flight. In the future, designers are going to replace the tail fans with turbojet engines. We will learn in the near future whether the Romanian project of the ADIFO aircraft (All DIrections Flying Object) will become successful.
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  1. +7
    20 August 2019 05: 57
    All that we know about the bourgeois.
    But yours?

    Alexander Sergeevich Moskalev
    1. 0
      20 August 2019 10: 23
      Well this is not a disco. This is a triangular wing of small elongation. In the USSR in the 1930s, there were many attempts to build experimental non-classical form aircraft, both disk-shaped and flying wing type. Yuryev’s diskette was invented by him back in the 1920s, but then it did not work out. Further, Yuriev already developed helicopters of real structures for that time. The disk-shaped device is in the collection of the museum in Monino, the descent vehicle of the Venusian Soviet space program.
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      1. 0
        20 August 2019 14: 27
        And the discoplanes of M.V. Sukhonov under numbers 1 and 2? Or this glider-discoplane of a student design bureau from the Moscow Aviation Institute, created under the direction of student Anatoly Gremyatsky, who, without flying training, himself learned to fly on it.
  2. 0
    20 August 2019 06: 45
    As you know, there are 3 types of mastered lift: 1.aerostatic; 2. aerodynamic; 3.reactive ... Engineers settled on a disk-shaped aircraft; since this will allow the use of the "fourth" lifting force (NPV ...) The disk-plane, using the resistance of the environment (air), is as if repelled from it. The principle is similar to the movement of, for example, birds, fish ... and other types of creatures moving in a homogeneous environment. This principle is possible in almost any environment capable of resisting, in which waves can be created and reflected. It makes effective use of the resistance of the environment due to its inertia. For example, an airplane for the most part simply overcomes the air resistance, leaving behind air whirlwind which by inertia lasts some time. A vortex contains energy that is not used in any way. The bird, creating a whirlwind with a flap of the wing, gets back part of the energy spent on it in the form of wind, which pushes it. Thus, a bird has greater efficiency than an airplane. But it is technically difficult to make a powerful and fast apparatus in the form of a bird or fish. Such designs have a large number of moving parts that can not withstand the load from friction and vibration, if you install a powerful engine on them. Unlike the wing of an ornithopter, the wing of a flying saucer will be able to oscillate with high frequency and small amplitude, like an acoustic speaker membrane. This can be achieved through the use of the wing electromagnetic drive design. Suspension of the wing on a magnetic cushion will allow for greater power and oscillation frequency with low mechanical stress. The operation of the wing in air or water can be described as follows. The wing makes a quick impulse upwards, as a result of which a shock wave forms above it, and the plate begins to draw into the region of low pressure formed behind it. An annular vortex is formed under the plate, which inertia follows the wing. Further, the wing begins to make a return movement downward at a low speed and the plate is repelled from the vortex catching it, moving the bulk upward. Provided that the force of the vortex is greater than the force of gravity, a lifting force is formed. The protruding central part acts as a concentrator of a vortex forming a lifting force, concentrating it above the center of gravity. At a high vibration frequency, this process can be characterized as acoustic levitation, in which the object itself creates its wave medium. The wing alternately creates strong waves in the upward direction and weak ones downward. Strong waves exert the prevailing pressure on the wing and push it up. In other words, the wing pumps air from the upper hemisphere to the lower one and creates an air cushion under it. To achieve a greater effect, the wing can be in the form of an umbrella or cone, which contributes to less resistance when moving up, and more when moving down. But such a wing is very unstable and to keep it in a stable position will require significant energy costs. For maximum efficiency, it is much more important to observe the difference between the speed of its movement up and down. Therefore, the use of a symmetric or close to symmetrical profile will be optimal ...........
    1. +1
      20 August 2019 08: 33
      Great! Even better than the article. Write yourself, I think it will be interesting.
    2. +4
      20 August 2019 09: 05
      You have just described the principle of flight of "Baron Münghausen". Refresh the school physics course in your head and do not mind yourself and people.
      1. -1
        20 August 2019 12: 25
        Quote: shinobi
        Refresh the school physics course in your head and keep your head and people cool.

        Do not tell me what to do, and I will not say where you need to go ...
        1. 0
          21 August 2019 02: 06
          don't get lost in directions, "genius" fool
          1. +2
            21 August 2019 03: 25
            Quote: shinobi
            don't get lost in directions, "genius"
            1. 0
              21 August 2019 04: 04
              here I am telling you culturally-Get out, at the end! laughing
    3. +1
      20 August 2019 09: 24
      It seems to me that the method of flight is very limited in size, in other words: birds cannot fly like insects, and airplanes cannot fly like birds. As for the described effect, it seems to be very insignificant against the background of the work of the wing or, even, the horizontal propeller. If only because such a "membrane" must work simultaneously with both surfaces, i.e. this cannot be done in the form of a volumetric plate body, so that the roof generates high-frequency pulses, and the bottom - amplitude low-frequency pulses
      1. +1
        20 August 2019 16: 34
        Well, many "conclusions" are in the nature of assumptions: that is, either not tested by experience, or insufficiently tested ...
        1. 0
          20 August 2019 17: 13
          according to some thought, it should be really very fast (and amplitude) swing the plane (preferably round) inward - up and slow deep swing, but this is not even relevant for the drone
    4. +3
      20 August 2019 12: 57
      As you know, there are 3 types of mastered lifting force: 1. aerostatic; 2. aerodynamic; 3.reactive ...
      Vladimir, were you drawn to an alternative reality? On the site, and so the darkness of any technical rubbish from regular authors wanders, you decided to help them and add bullshit to this information swamp?
      Lifting power exists alone.

      The forces acting on the wing: R - total aerodynamic force, Y - lift force, X - drag force; l is the wing chord length, α is the angle of attack, v∞ is the speed of the incoming flow.
      Lift force is one of the components of the total aerodynamic force acting on a body moving in a gas or in Jewishness; directed perpendicular to the body velocity vector.
      Do not sculpt here the law of Archimedes and the law of conservation of momentum, since it has nothing to do with the issue under consideration.
      1. +1
        20 August 2019 13: 09
        The author, without you, has seriously enough confused the public, as he has piled up a story about disk-shaped aircraft and aircraft with a disk-shaped wing. Actually, he talks about the latter, and the mention of flying saucers is not appropriate here.
        If we talk about "flying saucers", then we must write about aircraft of the Avrocar type.
        1. +1
          20 August 2019 13: 11
          Or Cypher from Sikorsky Aircraft.
          1. +1
            20 August 2019 13: 20
            If we talk about the disk-shaped wing, then it has the shape of a disk (circle). Aircraft built with such a wing had a large increase in lifting force, differed in the magnitude of a significantly larger critical angle of attack and the practical absence of a corkscrew (stall). The unique characteristics of such a wing are due to the fact that it flows around the air uniformly over the entire area, while parasitic turbulence does not occur destabilizing the aircraft. The main minus-small aerodynamic quality, leading to high power consumption of the power plant. . There are no serial aircraft with a disk-shaped wing, and with the advent of helicopters, the concept of the disk-shaped wing itself has gone down in history. And this wing has nothing to do with birds.
            One of the first projects of the classic discoplane was proposed by the philosopher and naturalist Emmanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772), was to be equipped with a rigid fixed surface. For lifting and moving through the air were provided small waving surfaces, driven by a person. When taking off, the car had to be towed by people.

            Swedenborg’s design included many design features used in today's aircraft — longitudinal and transverse wing force elements, a wheeled chassis, and a rudder (not shown). The estimated take-off weight of the Swedenborg apparatus was 180 kg, the wing area was 195 m2, and the wing extension was 0,75. The main material is wood and canvas.
            1. +1
              20 August 2019 13: 23
              The world's first real discoplane was an airplane with a disc wing designed by the Russian inventor A.G. Ufimtsev, the so-called "spheroplane", built in 1909.
              1. +2
                20 August 2019 13: 30
                One of the early (and unsuccessful) experiments of the aircraft designer Chance Vout described by the author was already after Ufimtsev.
                As for German discs, more attention could be paid to them, since even projects that have not been realized in metal are very interesting, for example Focke-Wulf. 500 "Ball Lightning" by Kurt Tank.

                The author is to learn the materiel and the basics of aerodynamics, so as not to mislead readers.
                1. 0
                  21 August 2019 04: 16
                  "Ball Lightning" is more of an unusual design helicopter. The Germans generally had a lot of pioneering and unusual things. But the implementation of disks based on the Coanda effect deserves special attention. In any case, modern amateur models are quite capable of flying. Vertical takeoff and landing, soaring. , level flight and all that jazz.
                2. 0
                  21 August 2019 13: 02
                  Here again I am convinced - anonymous minuses - for inadequate. So the body put a minus - what did he mean by this? What is he unable to read and understand the simplest text?
                  Admins, it's time to introduce justification for the minuses.
                  1. +1
                    21 August 2019 14: 21
                    Quote: Undecim
                    Admins, it's time to introduce justification for the minuses.

                    And if a person picks up a few dozens of minuses, how did I once quibble over Dzerzhinsky, writing that he salted cucumbers with clean hands and a cold head, and told drinking companions about this, will everyone justify his minus? 80 stuffed them to me. laughing In my opinion, everything is fine.
                    Quote: Undecim
                    The local editor was clearly humorists working out. He wrote "liquids", in the text - Jewishness. Quite the same thing.

                    Have long been noticed. Mathematics Zh. G. .. Lussac editor bugger names. belay
                    1. 0
                      21 August 2019 14: 27
                      Test: Gay Lussac
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                      Corrected already, the campaign. But this is lively:
                      author -> author -> author

                      good laughing good
      2. +1
        20 August 2019 15: 08
        The local editor was clearly humorists working out. He wrote "liquids", in the text - Jewishness. Quite the same thing.
      3. +1
        20 August 2019 17: 06
        It is possible that I expressed myself somewhat tongue-tied, referring to the principles (!) Of creating lift! But from this the principles (methods) of creating lift have not disappeared! As they were, they are: 1.aerostatic (balloons, airships); 2. aerodynamic (aircraft, helicopters); 3. jet (rockets) ... I put it in a simpler way ... in the "vernacular" version! Or are you one of those nerds who claim that "hippopotamus" would be more correct, because this is a scientific name (internationally recognized ...), and "hippopotamus" should not be used, tk. is this Jewish "vernacular"?
        1. +1
          20 August 2019 18: 24
          I am not one of the bores, I am one of the opponents of the spread of any nonsense like "A bird, creating a vortex with a flap of its wing, receives back part of the energy spent on it in the form of a wind that pushes it."
          Can you graphically depict the process of the "pushing wind" formation?
          1. +1
            20 August 2019 20: 08
            I can’t draw it graphically, but intuitively, in a purely vertical flight, a bird can very well be, although in a horizontal one, of course, it simply rowes
          2. +1
            21 August 2019 01: 45
            Graphs are available in the internet ... you can even "copy" from there, but why? You have your own, excellent opinion! Yes, it's not just "in the charts"! You took my comment too (!) Seriously ... was it worth it? Terrestrial discplanes are not mass-produced and are not "striking at every kilometer"! They are engaged either by individual enthusiasts (including firms ...), or "in chihari". As a result, there is a lack of practical experience in sufficient volume, and "theoretical research" may not be enough yet ... That is why they make up for the lack of this article-assumption, article-reflection! It is not easy to create "fundamental theories" on your knees! Therefore, there may well be mistakes, wrong judgments! But they are designed to "awaken the imagination", give "food for thought" ... And that's why I "threw a piece of material" on the page IN! Despite the fact that he himself sometimes doubted the conclusions, the “formulas” set forth in the articles on the topic of flying saucers. ”But for some reason you took this absolutely (!) Seriously! And after that declare that you are not a bore? request
    5. +1
      20 August 2019 14: 02
      It looks like a jellyfish movement, if I understood the mechanics of the process correctly.
    6. -4
      24 October 2019 20: 18
      Five point comment !!!!! It seems to me that the disk-shaped object must have a different moving drive .... it remains only to wait .... and ......... believe !!!!))))
  3. 0
    20 August 2019 07: 59
    Already at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the first attempts to create disk-shaped aircraft appeared. Already at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, the first attempts were made to create disk-shaped aircraft.
    Oh, this twentieth century ....
    P.S. Watch only the TV screen saver from 0:00 to 1 :: 50.
    [media = https: //youtu.be/Z6EkWhWOuEom]
  4. -1
    20 August 2019 09: 09
    Devices based on the Coanda effect look more like classic "flying saucers".
  5. 0
    20 August 2019 10: 49
    INTERESESOOOO .... (c)
    Sergey, thanks. in fact, without a pint and a week (mininum), digging will not work. BUT!!!! Interesting....
  6. 0
    20 August 2019 13: 32
    Let's say "plates" exist and represent technical devices. All of our attempts to create something flying in the shape of a saucer is like if the natives saw a car driving and decided to build a cart in the shape of a car. In the hope that she will also rush by itself, without a horse. So we have to squeeze already worked out schemes and solutions into the "saucer" format. And naturally they get different, capable of well if you just get off the ground and stay in the air. And the "plates", most likely, are arranged fundamentally differently. As for the Germans, it is also a dark matter. There is no smoke without fire. If there was anything like that, it will definitely not be shown to the general public. They will "feed" little-known, but quite earthly projects or statements like "They were crazy mystics."
    1. 0
      20 August 2019 22: 58
      Quote: Greenhorn
      And the "plates", most likely, are arranged fundamentally differently.

      If I understand you correctly, then you mean that they need such a form not for movement, at least not always and not what we see?
      Quote: Greenhorn
      About the Germans, too, is a dark matter. There is no smoke without fire. If there was anything like that, the general public will definitely not be shown. They will "feed" little-known, but quite earthly projects or statements like "They were crazy mystics."

      ))))
      Understand what it is that what you say does not make sense. People are quite pragmatic. And governments are twofold. If some secret invention is needed to protect the country, lives or vice versa, then it would be used. Or at least they would be prepared for use. There is no sense from some breakthrough knowledge if you are erased tomorrow by a nuclear strike or something else. Well, ok, die not just as a person, but as a carrier of this knowledge. How this will help, I don’t know and who will become easier. Remember the Jews wanted to use a nuclear bomb. And you're talking about some kind of plate.
  7. +1
    20 August 2019 21: 43
    "At the same time, the only flying saucers, the existence of which has a scientific basis, have nothing to do with guests from other planets or extraterrestrial intelligence and have a completely terrestrial origin."
    On the evening of May 1, 1973 or 74, a UFO flew into our town. A yellowish ball with a dozen meters in diameter passed in front of the windows of the houses at a distance of about 50 m. No sound, no wind. Earthly passage, say? recourse But the air defense command suffered real "losses" then. We were covered by 3 divisions, none of them saw the target. Organizational conclusions, so to speak.
    1. 0
      20 August 2019 22: 50
      Quote: Doliva63
      Earthly passage, say?

      You see what the matter is - if this UFO was moving on some other principles of movement not known to us - this is her business. But it moved AT US, in our atmosphere, in our physics and so on. Therefore, it had to react to space according to known physical properties, if it was a physical object. Well, even just air disturbances should have been. Or it was not a physical body, but some kind of optical or other phenomenon.
      1. 0
        20 August 2019 22: 59
        Quote: Red_Baron
        Quote: Doliva63
        Earthly passage, say?

        You see what the matter is - if this UFO was moving on some other principles of movement not known to us - this is her business. But it moved AT US, in our atmosphere, in our physics and so on. Therefore, it had to react to space according to known physical properties, if it was a physical object. Well, even just air disturbances should have been. Or it was not a physical body, but some kind of optical or other phenomenon.

        Well, maybe optical. But he was seen along the railway that led to us.
        1. +1
          20 August 2019 23: 04
          Quote: Doliva63
          Well, maybe optical. But he was seen along the railway that led to us.

          I do not affirm, in any case, just an assumption.
          You know, as one astronautics researcher said, I forgot my last name, but quite famous in these circles. Not a quote but the meaning is that. I am asked if I have seen a UFO - have seen it more than once. So there are aliens? I don't know, I've never seen evidence of this. Because the alien ship is no longer a UFO, it is already an alien ship. And UFO is "fig knows what it was" :)
  8. 0
    20 August 2019 22: 46
    The events of 1947, when it is believed that a flying saucer of aliens crashed near the town of Roswell in the United States, seriously affected world pop culture.

    I really liked this phrase.
    It is believed that the plate broke. But really she was not? Ok, if it wasn’t, how did this event affect the world pop culture? :)))
    Or was it not a plate? But why was the plate affected?
    1. 0
      21 August 2019 04: 05
      Quote: Red_Baron
      But really she was not?

      One friend seriously claimed that his aliens had stolen at his plate, studied, and let him go back ... belay
      1. +1
        21 August 2019 13: 51
        The most annoying thing is not to check whether it was true or not :)
        And I remember my childhood, well, not quite so small, my cousin got a brochure somewhere - something about the types of aliens and contacts with them. It was a fierce PPC. Then this topic was in vogue and now in the wake of this some have released and such. And there are generally creepy descriptions of different aliens - these brain-suckers are still something else. It described how many people had contacts with them and how many survived. Well, at least without much detail. Since then I have been terribly sick of any mention of UFOs.
  9. 0
    21 August 2019 18: 05
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Quote: Doliva63
    Well, maybe optical. But he was seen along the railway that led to us.

    I do not affirm, in any case, just an assumption.
    You know, as one astronautics researcher said, I forgot my last name, but quite famous in these circles. Not a quote but the meaning is that. I am asked if I have seen a UFO - have seen it more than once. So there are aliens? I don't know, I've never seen evidence of this. Because the alien ship is no longer a UFO, it is already an alien ship. And UFO is "fig knows what it was" :)

    Well, yes, I agree. drinks
  10. 0
    21 August 2019 21: 34
    Quote: Undecim
    moving in gas or Jewishness;

    it is a masterpiece
  11. 0
    31 August 2019 18: 08
    There are no aliens. UFOs are terrestrial technology, Area 51 is the testing ground for this technology. Real "saucers" fly like this: pulsed plasma propulsion panels consist of small railgun cells, the pulses go synchronously with a high frequency - they create a column of toroidal vortices on which the apparatus flies. The film "Declassified UFO" is about this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKGgtQ7NTNY
  12. 0
    22 September 2019 21: 00
    Here it is, progress and technological development. And the Union did not even overpower aluminum and made wooden planes for the amusement of the whole world.
  13. -3
    24 October 2019 20: 31
    "One night, a UFO flew to our village, I moved like a drunk with a crowbar .... how long would it take to break the car")) From Igor Malinin's song!

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

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