English as a tool for managing the subconscious of our society

In recent decades, Russia has been actively introducing the English language. So, for many Muscovites and guests of the capital, it has become quite commonplace when entering the subway to hear phrases in English duplicating ads in Russian. Under each name of the metro station in Russian there is a similar text in English. In the names of some stores, on the signs of restaurants you can see all the Latin letters.

Can duplication in English be considered a harmless thing? Should Russia, which is not in colonial dependence, afford such things? Is it possible in this case to talk about the erosion of sovereignty? Is there really an information-psychological and behavioral war against Russia in this way? Can the imposition of a foreign language initiate a change in national identity?

Historian, director of the Institute for System-Strategic Analysis A. Fursov and associate professor of MGIMO, candidate historical sciences O. Chetverikova. They will talk about how, through the elimination of the national language, the complete subordination of the consciousness of a person and society to a foreign-language, foreign-cultural society takes place.

Comments

[nesvobodnaja]

I haven’t looked yet, but I will express myself. In capitals, megacities, tourist centers, it is quite natural that some announcements are duplicated in a common foreign language, there is nothing reprehensible about this.

[tracer]

You are confusing warm and soft. I say this as a person who knows English and uses it daily. It's not about that. The point is that through advertising everything and everything he is being introduced into an environment alien to him, that is, Russian culture. Changing generic basic concepts in mass psychology and culture. And therefore it takes young people away from their native culture, imposed, alien. And therefore "it is always better there" ... That is the problem.

[nesvobodnaja]

I partially agree. All these "HYIPs", "life hacks" and other inappropriate linguistic tricks clog the brain, are forcibly introduced by constant use in Internet articles, and often in news programs on TV.
A clear language policy is needed in the media, without absurdity and distortions in one direction or another.
Only now we have everything owned by someone, advertising agencies have mainly foreign capital, and they dance in the "English manner". )

[AlexSam]

unfortunately, probably absolutely everything already has foreign capital ... and the enthusiastic reports from the next economic forum about new investments and billions of contracts, except for bewilderment, cause nothing more, because then we are told with pity and doom about hundreds of millions annually withdrawn for the line of money ...

[lucul]

unfortunately, probably absolutely everything already has foreign capital

I just want to remind you - it so happened that before the invasion of Napoleon, all the nobles knew French, before the Second World War, the main foreign language at school was German.
Well, now everyone is learning English ......

[Rust]

Zadornov the dead man said so in his concerts.

[Doctor]

Before the invasion of Napoleon, all the nobles knew French, before the Second World War, the main foreign language in the school was German.

The authors of the article have the same logic: "... In Kiev, in preparation for the EURO 2012 championship, English was introduced into the notification system in the metro ... Two years later, the Maidan broke out."
We are waiting for the Maidan in Moscow.

[nesvobodnaja]

Yes, all of my older relatives taught German at school. Then the war, after which the program continued anyway.

[tracer]

Off-topic, but I will express myself .. I personally feel jarred by the fact that energy is being imported more and more. Override all fucking oil and gas electricity. Make any energy resource inexpensive and this enormous impact on the rise of production as the backbone and backbone of any economy

[nesvobodnaja]

The oligarchs will not allow the West to block the resource flow. )

[your1970]

Quote: tracer

Override all fucking oil and gas electricity.

-you just probably think that it’s like to click the switch at home or close the water ???
shutting down a well at a cost is no cheaper than developing it. And disconnecting power supplies is sometimes impossible at all for technical reasons.

[tracer]

Yes, a life hack for two meter long millionaires "how to replace a wheel in a car", how to spread butter on a bun, how to replace a battery. It feels like taking a magazine "do it yourself" of the Soviet period, call it a life hack and tremendous success is guaranteed. Except for one but. Only a few are capable of working with their hands as well as their heads from millionaires.

[Piramidon]

Quote: tracer

for two meter millionaires

And these two, by the meter who are they? Also an English word?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

Only now we have everything owned by someone, advertising agencies have mainly foreign capital, and they dance in the "English manner". )

and what have the advertising agencies to do with it ?!
ANY advertising should be consistent, and if it is not a registered trademark, then no Latin or other except Russian spellings

[Mikhail m]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

forced by constant use in online articles, and often in news programs on TV

The license plates do not use Russian letters, unlike the Arabs. Articles about our weapons and equipment constantly mention the NATO classification so that the enemy does not get confused. Most of our companies use the Latin alphabet in their names. The names of outlets with Latin-Cyrillic letters have become commonplace. Anglicisms have dirtied the language beyond recognition. And we tolerate it. In principle, I do not go to these stloffs, pivots and other establishments that are subject to "partners", which is what I wish for you. Let them disappear from our territory.

[Doctor]

Anglicisms have dirtied the language beyond recognition. And we tolerate it. In principle, I do not go to these stloffs, pivots and other establishments that are subject to "partners", which is what I wish for you.

But francocisms do not bother you? Lampshade, subscription, subscriber, boarding, aborigine, apricot.
Or, closer to the theme of the site: aviation, automatic, aggression, admiral, army, artillery, rear guard, attack, airfield, airplane. It is only on A.
Or Germanocisms: accelerant, blitzkrieg, shipyard, guardhouse, dowel, corporal, sarin, tunic, landscape, route, etc.
According to some forecasts, after 50 years in the Russian language will be up to 20% of words of English origin.

[Doctor]

All these "HYIPs", "life hacks" and other inappropriate linguistic tricks clog the brain, are forcibly introduced by constant use in Internet articles, and often in news programs on TV.
A clear language policy is needed in the media, without absurdity and distortions in one direction or another.

Life cannot be stopped. Language is a living organism, it is constantly changing, borrowing words from other languages ​​and giving its own. If a new item appears somewhere or a concept comes up with a name in the local language, when the item moves to another country, the name moves with it. We call a printer a printer and a computer a computer because they are made in an English-speaking country. We also gave the world a satellite and perestroika. The more objects and concepts appear in the country, the more words are in the language. In general, the more developed the country, the more words in the language. Currently, most of the words in English are 250 separate. With components under a million. Thousands of African tribes have enough; 000 Ellochka the Ogre was enough.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

Only now we have everything owned by someone, advertising agencies have mainly foreign capital, and they dance in the "English manner". )

We do not dance in advertising agencies. Even at the government level, they have managed to acquire ombudsmen, not to mention the names of specialties - managers, promoters, merchandisers, supervisors and other "zers and outers". Shame

[Shelest2000]

I agree!
PS. Once I saw a signboard of a car shop. In large Russian letters on the sign was "AUTOSHOP Deimos" For the sake of interest, he asked the owner, he was just behind the counter what this word means and why in Russian letters? The answer just killed.
- Duc, in English, almost no one understands. Yes, and this name of some Greek is sonorous, I like it.

[Timeout]

Quote: tracer

I say this as a person who knows English and uses it daily.

I wonder how and in what place ...

Quote: tracer

And therefore "it is always better there" ..

Is it so bad in Canada?

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: tracer

The point is that through advertising of everything and everything, it is introduced into an environment alien to it, that is, Russian culture.

and why do you think English is being introduced into Russian culture and not vice versa?
What factors prevent Russian culture from changing American or English?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

I haven’t looked yet, but I will express myself. In capitals, megacities, tourist centers, it is quite natural that some announcements are duplicated in a common foreign language, there is nothing reprehensible about this.

In which country, in which city did you see the "duplication of some ads" in Russian?

[Wedmak]

In Turkey, almost all of the south coast. It is tourist, as it were. Half, or even more, of the population in these zones knows Russian.
In some countries, interest in the Russian language is quite high. People come to Russia to study it, living here for several years. And naturally, taking with him home a part of our culture after training. What about popular videos like "feed a foreigner with Russian food"? Penetration of culture? Naturally. This is happening all over the world.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Wedmak

In some countries, interest in the Russian language is quite high.

And that, because of this, the whole country needs to be painted in Latin? What are you talking about? We, too, "take an interest in languages" so what?
But besides Turkey? In the countries of Europe, North America? Have you watched?

[Wedmak]

And what, because of this, must the whole country be minced in Latin letters?

Well, that’s all ... Walk outside the MKAD, kilometers to 50-100. It’s rare to see the Latin alphabet, it’s easier to find it on the product labels.

Have you watched?

I did not happen to be there. But I saw something on kratinki. Again - who cares about such inscriptions? Whose clients are foreigners.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Wedmak

Take a walk outside the Moscow Ring Road, 50-100 kilometers away. It’s rare to see the Latin alphabet, it’s easier to find it on the product labels.

the Kaliningrad region, the village of Znamensk, there are still signs on the aglitsky from the time of the championship, although I doubt that at least one tourist looked into that hole, for some reason the dough was washed on these signs

[Doctor]

And what, because of this, must the whole country be minced in Latin letters?

Do not confuse English and Latin. This is a way to record sounds. Cyrillic is also a borrowing, we write in modified ancient Greek letters. After the revolution, there was a chance to switch to Latin.
"In 1919, the Scientific Department of the People's Commissariat for Education, not without the participation of People's Commissar A. V. Lunacharsky, expressed" ... the desirability of introducing the Latin script for all peoples inhabiting the territory of the Republic ... which is a logical step along the path that Russia has already entered, having adopted a new calendar style and metric system of measures and weights ", which would be the completion of the alphabetical reform, once carried out by Peter I."
But it did not work out.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Arzt

In 1919, the Scientific Department of the People’s Commissariat of Education, not without the participation of People’s Commissar A. V. Lunacharsky, spoke out “... about the desirability of introducing the Latin script for

You recall what, purely by accident, nationality was Lunacharsky. He was spoken in Russian from a high bell tower. But his work lives and wins.

[Doctor]

You recall what, purely by accident, nationality was Lunacharsky.

And what was his nationality?

"Anatoly Lunacharsky was born in 1875 in Poltava, from the extramarital affairs of the actual state councilor Alexander Ivanovich Antonov (1829-1885) and Alexandra Yakovlevna Rostovtseva (1842-1914), the daughter of Ya. P. Rostovtsev. Patronymic, surname and noble title were received by Lunacharsky from his stepfather, Vasily Fedorovich Lunacharsky, who adopted him, whose surname, in turn, is the result of a rearrangement of syllables in the surname Charnolusky [2] (comes from the noble family Charnolussky). "

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Arzt

What nationality was he? "

Your information is incorrect.

[Doctor]

In which country, in which city did you see the "duplication of some ads" in Russian?

[Mikhail m]

I don’t know another such country ...

[your1970]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: nesvobodnaja

I haven’t looked yet, but I will express myself. In capitals, megacities, tourist centers, it is quite natural that some announcements are duplicated in a common foreign language, there is nothing reprehensible about this.

In which country, in which city did you see the "duplication of some ads" in Russian?

Turkey, China, most of the CIS, USA (and not only Brighton) .....

[DenZ]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

duplication of some announcements in a common foreign language, there is nothing reprehensible in this

I don’t know ... It infuriates me. something they are there in the West in Russian do not duplicate announcements in the subway. that is, by our duplication we support their imperial ways of world hegemony. This is both stupid and mediocre and bad at the same time.

[balunn]

What witch hunters just can't make up :(
It is a normal globalization process.

[vm-bt]

1) Unfortunately, in human society, any initially harmless progress turns into a simple and harsh question - "who will be on top ?!"
2) "Who got up first - that and the slippers ..."
3) "Optimists study English, pessimists - Chinese, and realists - a Kalashnikov assault rifle"

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: balunn

It is a normal globalization process.

what is normal? !!!!!
sometimes you listen to our politicians and you don’t understand a damn thing

[Antares]

Quote: balunn

A perfectly normal globalization process

the ordinary process of evolution of human society.
The death of small languages, the expansion of the global language. The evolution of popular languages.
Typical evolution.
It is noticed that people whose age is older do not like, and whose age is less than average is welcomed.
So another Progress against Tradition ..
As usual, progress will win over her, because the future votes for him.
And old people can grumble that in their time everything was wrong ... And how to properly teach young people who dismiss them. They themselves were ... in due time.

[KVU-NSVD]

In the struggle for language and national identity, the main thing is to remain within the boundaries of the mind, otherwise this very mind can move into the twilight zone.

[Greenwood]

Pff, you come abroad as a tourist, and you will instinctively look for inscriptions in English, for the local characters are unlikely to master. So why should a foreign tourist in Russia try to read the Cyrillic alphabet? For me, this is not a problem, but an elementary respect for visitors.
PS In Vladivostok, in the city center, there are a lot of signs in Chinese, precisely based on the huge tourist flow from China.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Greenwood

So why should a foreign tourist in Russia try to read the Cyrillic alphabet? For me, this is not a problem, but an elementary respect for visitors.

Then why should I read the Latin alphabet after arriving in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin? Why should Russia show "elementary respect for newcomers," while other countries don't even think about it?

[nesvobodnaja]

Because there is totalitarianism
in the brains and lack of culture in the masses. )

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

Because there is totalitarianism
in the brains and lack of culture in the masses. )

Not because. But because they do not lick places below the lower back to foreigners.

[nesvobodnaja]

You are somehow somewhat categorical in this matter.
It is mainly about the hospitality and convenience of tourists ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

It is mainly about the hospitality and convenience of tourists ...

Once again I ask - are there signs and announcements in Russian in the London Underground or New York? I'm sick of your lizoblizhennosti dressed in a toga of hospitality.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I'm sick

Take sleeping pills.

Your battle with the mills is about nothing. He worked once (and now, by the way - I also work) in a certain international office.

Hindus, Swedes, Hungarians, Italians, Arabs, British, Amerts ... well, and we are Russians, where would we be without us?

Guess three times, in what language all this Noah's ark spoke?

[Barmaleyka]

not really in Russian? !!!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Guess three times, in what language all this Noah's ark spoke?

Yes, even in Martian. The Russians do not care.
Mattresses even give their names to our weapons, but we do not bother to not only translate their names, but we don’t even write in Cyrillic. Not only that, we try to give names around, at least for something, English-speaking, and to write Latin letters on our products.
Back in Soviet times, from the 70s, they began to write on cars - MOSKVITSH, but before they wrote - Moskvich. Then the front-line soldiers were still at the helm, they respected their state. And then Kosygin came with his "reforms" and off we go. True, Khrushchev laid the foundation.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, even in Martian. Russians do not care

Well, I don’t even know ... buddy, it so happened that angelic is a language for international communication. It is simple enough to learn, it is well-known ... that something is breaking into the open gates? So it is, it is a given, and there is no getting away from it in the foreseeable future.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Mattress makers even give their names to our weapons, but we don’t even bother to translate their names, but we don’t even write in Cyrillic

Each hut has its own toys. To write English names with Cyrillic, brrr ... worse - only a programming language in Russian, I’m telling you as a programmer with 25 + years of experience

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

then Kosygin came with his "reforms" and off we go. True, Khrushchev put a start

Gossss ... you’re going to the Prophetic Oleg. And everything on the surface - there is a comfortable language for communication. They communicate on it.

By the way, everywhere, wherever I was in foreign countries - inscriptions in angelic - were present. And they really helped to orient myself, well, I don’t know either Hungarian (she, by the way, shnyaga), or Arabic

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Cat Man Null

I don’t know Hungarian (she, by the way, shnyaga),

For the better. At times, it seems that the Magyar language was created solely to provoke the devil. The name of the city of Szekesfehervar alone is worth what.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Well, I don’t even know ... my friend, it so happened that angelic is a language for international communication.

straight itself took and developed, and maybe folded, including tablets ?!

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Cat Man Null

.. worse - only a programming language in Russian, I’m telling you as a programmer with 25+ years of experience

I’ll tell you boldly if it happened that you have been programming in Russian for 35 years, you would quite normally perceive “if” instead of “if”, in the end you would introduce abbreviations like “rem”

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Yes, even in Martian. The Russians do not care.
Mattress makers even give their names to our weapons, but we do not bother to not only translate their names, but we don’t even write in the Cyrillic alphabet.

and what do you want?

when Greek culture shone Greek was the language of business and science
when rome was in force everyone started talking on lingua latina
and so on
dominant cihilization orders music.

[Antares]

Quote: Maki Avellievich

dominant civilization orders music.

that's right
All progress, all culture, discoveries, money, ideas ... etc polarize the English language.
And all reach for it.
English and the dollar conquered the planet.
It is necessary to overthrow to make your economy more than 15% and become the center of world ideas / culture / progress.
No wonder the Chinese is popularized due to the growth of the economy and importance in the world of China.
What is the problem for the Russian? (sarcasm)
Popularization-routine work.
The trouble is in narrowing the base of native Russian speakers.

[nesvobodnaja]

If you feel sick, then contact another address.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

If you feel sick, then contact another address.

Yes, I realized that it’s useless to contact you. You soul is already there. A slave must know the language of his master. And it should start with the names, first the technology, then the metro stations, then the street names (Sadovaia strit), and that’s all for the convenience of tourists.

[nesvobodnaja]

Do not compose or turn upside down. I have nothing to do with "the soul there".
If you need more answers to your jokes, please, I do not mind.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

Do not compose or turn upside down. I have nothing to do with "the soul there".
If you need more answers to your jokes, please, I do not mind.

I do not need such answers. You would better refute me reasonably. I would be grateful.

[Keyser soze]

I'm sick...

But don’t - already Russian English has little in common with the original, so you can be proud that you invented a new language ....

[Doctor]

I ask again - in the London Underground or New York there are signs and announcements in Russian?

But yak!
Ordinary bench in the New York subway.

But if you look closely ...

"Our penetration around the planet
Particularly noticeable in the distance:
In a public Paris toilet
There are inscriptions in Russian! "
© Vladimir Vysotsky

(Taken from here https://pikabu.ru/story/obyiknovennaya_skameyka_v_nyuyorkskom_metro_4172591)

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

It is mainly about the hospitality and convenience of tourists ...

first of all, it should be convenient for us, but for now we do everything that would be convenient for everyone except us "loved ones"

[Cat man null]

Quote: Barmaleyka

first of all, it should be convenient for us, but for now we do everything that would be convenient for everyone except us "loved ones"

Man, if you do something, speak for yourself, please.

To know English for a certain circle of people is a necessity, for others it’s an option ... if you don’t want to, don’t know.

Here, some turbopatriots have a Russian ... not really, to say the least. Personally me "you write"(the wish is this, yeah) instead of"you write"(statement of fact) - wildly pissed off ... well, so what, it would seem?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cat Man Null

To know English for a certain circle of people is a necessity, for others it’s an option ... if you don’t want to, don’t know.

For especially advanced in aglitsky. It's not about prohibiting the study of any language, but study at least the language of the Mumba tribe - Yumba. It's about removing all signs, names, duplication in English. Do our citizens who do not know Aglitsky need this incomprehensible, clogging head and distracting information?

Quote: Cat Man Null

Here, some turbopatriots have a Russian ... not very much, to put it mildly. Personally, "you write" (a wish is this, yeah) instead of "you write" (statement of fact) - wildly pisses me off ... well, so what, it would seem?

"you write (faster) and" do you (me) write? What's wrong? What makes you so "pissed off"?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

It is about removing all signs, names, duplication in English

Where? I don't like the word "everything", you know.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do our citizens who do not know Aglitsky need this incomprehensible, clogging head and distracting information?

I do not know what "your citizens" are. Personally, pointers in English do not bother me.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

"you write (faster) and" do you (me) write? What's wrong?

All. It was about the widespread manner of writing "write" instead of "write" here. Quickly, by the way - together, so, by the way, I had to

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Cat Man Null

All. It was about the widespread manner of writing "write" instead of "write" here. Quickly, by the way - together, so, by the way, I had to

Thanks for the "quick". And in the case - "write" - "write", it all depends on the context. Therefore, your indignation should have been addressed to a specific context.

[Barmaleyka]

dear, do not compare soft with round, knowing a foreign language and pointers in this (FOREIGN) language in your native country are not the same thing

[Greenwood]

Quote: Barmaleyka

pointers in this (FOREIGN) language in the home country are not the same thing

Duplicate pointers are normal practice in most countries of the world, and in no way oppress their native language. Now is the era of globalization, when many people regularly fly abroad, and the ability to use the English language greatly helps them in this.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Greenwood

Duplicate pointers are common practice in most countries of the world.

give an example with pointers in Russian in Paris, Berlin, London

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Typically me "you write" (a wish is this, yeah) instead of "you write" (statement of fact) - wildly pisses me off ... well, and what, it would seem?

and what is it for ?!

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

there do not lick places below the lower back to foreigners

Where is there?
In communist China, inscriptions are duplicated in English, in the subway, stop signs are also duplicated in English.
In capitalist Japan, it is similar.
Without these duplicate inserts, it would be extremely difficult for you to navigate in the country.

[your1970]

Quote: Greenwood

In communist China, inscriptions are duplicated in English, in the subway, stop signs are also duplicated in English.
In capitalist Japan, it is similar.

-Greenwood I almost never agree with you, but here you broke their brain .... Bravo !!!!

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: your1970

-Greenwood, I almost never agree with you, but here you broke his brain .... Bravo !!!!

They didn’t break anything for me. If in China they eat scorpion, do I have them too? I do not like parrots. No birds, no. And those who are parrots. Here you are, your nickname and then confused.

[Doctor]

Then why should I, arriving in Washington, London, Paris, Berlin, read the Latin alphabet?

It happened historically. The English-speaking empires took over the world and planted their language in the occupied territories. Then we developed a worldwide distribution plan. The most effective point in the plan was the decision to translate all scientific publications in other countries into English and publish in the public domain. Any scientist has the opportunity to learn about work in his field in any country through English. With the advent of the Internet, the process of learning English has taken on an avalanche-like character.
To dictate your conditions, you need to become economically, politically and culturally the most powerful in the world. Or at least in a region like the USSR.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Arzt

To dictate your conditions, you need to become economically, politically and culturally the most powerful in the world. Or at least in a region like the USSR.

Do not dictate anything to anyone. You just have to respect your language and not allow English-language names of anything.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

and not allow English-language names of anything

Now there are a lot of international companies operating around the world, with hundreds and thousands of employees from different countries. If you attach the name to a specific country, it will be very difficult for residents of other countries to pronounce this name, which will cause the production process to suffer. The Chinese will not be able to pronounce long abbreviations such as DalStroyMorTechProekt, similarly you can hardly pronounce at least one purely Chinese name. But you and he will calmly read the inscription in English.
For example, the Far Eastern Shipping Company (FESCO) has been dubbed since Far Soviet times as the Far Eastern Ship Company (FESCO). What name do you think will be easier to pronounce to any Indian or Chinese?

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Greenwood

some Indian or Chinese?

equally complex, and the abbreviation is no problem

[Greenwood]

Do not guess. That is why the company operates internationally under the FESCO brand.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Greenwood

Now there are a lot of international companies operating around the world, with hundreds and thousands of employees from different countries. If you attach the name to a specific country, it will be very difficult for residents of other countries

Fu you well you, you tell him about Thomas, and he tells you about Yerema.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Washington london

Here, English is the native language of the population.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Paris, Berlin

Here the inscriptions are duplicated in English for the convenience of visitors.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Why Russia should show "basic respect for visitors"

Well, let's duplicate all the inscriptions in 100500 languages ​​in each country purely out of respect. There is the easiest language to learn - English, which is taught in schools in most countries of the world, even in the totalitarian DPRK and Iran.

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

but in other countries they don’t even think about it?

They’re just thinking, therefore, the Arabic script, and Chinese characters, and Cyrillic are duplicated in a language that is understood by the majority of the world's population.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Greenwood

There is the easiest language to learn - English

and why trifle, and let's ALL translate into aglitski because it is easier

[Greenwood]

Quote: Barmaleyka

let's translate ALL into aglitski because it is easier

Well, if you have nothing to do, for God's sake. Translate.

[Wedmak]

Given that for many foreigners, the Cyrillic alphabet stands somewhere near the hieroglyphs. It is easier to write of course, but nifiga is not clear anyway.

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Wedmak

It is easier written of course, but nifiga is not clear anyway.

their problems

[Barmaleyka]

Quote: Greenwood

So why should a foreign tourist in Russia try to read the Cyrillic alphabet?

may not study, HIS PROBLEMS, why we always try, what would be good for foreigners

[DenZ]

Quote: Greenwood

So why should a foreign tourist in Russia try to read the Cyrillic alphabet? For me, this is not a problem, but an elementary respect for visitors.

And where is the same respect for Russians and Cyrillic in Europe? Yes, they wanted to spit on respect for us. They came to us and they should be comfortable ... Right now I’ll cry out with emotion. Learn Russian and everything will be convenient.

[Doctor]

And where is the same respect for Russians and Cyrillic in Europe? Yes, they wanted to spit on respect for us.

The choice of language in the New York subway payment machine.

[tracer]

That the photos have arrived clearly from Brighton Beach. This finally does not mean anything. Bomzhatnik and not an area where, as everyone knows, "We are Russian mix do not deceive each other."

[Timeout]

Quote: tracer

photo clearly from Brighton Beach

Tracer has clearly never been to Little Russia ...

Quote: tracer

Bomzhatnik and not a district

So it is worth visiting there and telling its residents, and then for a long time to pull your eyes in place.

[Greenwood]

Quote: DenZ

Learn Russian and everything will be convenient.

Okay, according to this logic, if I have to travel to a whole bunch of countries around the world for work or school, should I learn the language of each of them?

Quote: DenZ

They came to us and they should be comfortable

You yourself, when you come over the hill for a vacation, in what language do you read the inscriptions, eh?

[balunn]

They do not drive :-)

[Greenwood]

Quote: balunn

They do not drive :-)

I know that. People with such reasoning were not anywhere else than their native Ryazan. Moreover, a living American or Chinese was seen only on TV.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Greenwood

I know. People with such reasoning were not anywhere else than their native Ryazan. Moreover, a living American or Chinese was seen only on TV.

Have you seen an American and a Chinese live and did it ennoble you? Maybe you also touched them? Then "finally !!!" Wow, I felt the Chinese. Hands, go, after touching the deity, have not washed for three days?

[Valerik1337]

I propose banning the study of English, and instead introduce a compulsory study of the Chinese language, the language of our friends. Enemy Language Let Intelligence Teach

[Greenwood]

I suggest learning Uzbek. Uzbeks are also our friends, I often buy watermelons from them.

[polar fox]

Quote: Greenwood

I suggest learning Uzbek

I support. We Tatars and Uzbeks are much more Anglicos.

[Doctor]

I suggest learning Uzbek. Uzbeks are also our friends ...

Friends switched to the Latin alphabet. Just like Moldova, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan. Kazakhs on the way. In the future - Ukraine.

[Antares]

Quote: Arzt

In the future - Ukraine.

yah.
English yes. But Latin will kill all this "independence" starting with the language.

[Doctor]

Latin will kill all this "independence" by starting with the language

Not at all. Latin is just a way to record sounds. Even Pushkin in Latin will remain Pushkin. Ja pomnu chudnoe mgnovenie, peredo mnoy javilas ti ....

[Doctor]

instead, introduce compulsory Chinese-language learning for our friends.

These friends learn English in large quantities. The most powerful state program.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Arzt

These friends learn English in large quantities.

And they’re doing it right. Since the adoption of the best practices of Western countries is impossible without the development of huge layers of information and literature written exclusively in English.

[E.S.]

The Lord allowed the English language to become universally known so that anywhere in the world they could interrogate a prisoner in his language!

[Doctor]

so that anywhere in the world they could interrogate a prisoner in his language

For this, too, have to learn it.

[16112014nk]

The government is full of Western apologists, and since the West is the most widely spoken English language, through its apologists they commit sabotage in the minds of people in Russia.

[DenZ]

Quote: 16112014nk

through his apologists commit sabotage in the minds of people in Russia.

I almost agree, except that we ourselves commit this sabotage against ourselves. YOURSELF !!!

[Blacksmith 55]

Knowledge of a foreign language is always a plus. Nowadays, English is a computer language, and a language of communication abroad (at least very often).
You can duplicate the inscriptions, but you need to know the measure, Russian should remain the language of communication in the country.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: smith 55

Knowledge of a foreign language is always a plus. Nowadays, English is a computer language, and a language of communication abroad (at least very often).
You can duplicate the inscriptions, but you need to know the measure, Russian should remain the language of communication in the country.

Learning a language, in this case English, yes, a necessity. But this does not mean that on every corner, and this is happening, there should be inscriptions in English. This is disrespect for fellow citizens who do not know English and are not required to know.

[Blacksmith 55]

Dear Krasnoyarsk, wrote the same, you need to know the measure.
But where is this measure, in what measure can it be, in centimeters, or grams?
It is not necessary to write in every deaf village in a foreign language, this is definitely beyond measure. But in cities where there are a lot of tourists and ESPECIALLY in transport, museums, etc. It would be useful for foreigners.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: smith 55

Dear Krasnoyarsk, wrote the same, you need to know the measure.
But where is this measure, in what measure can it be, in centimeters, or grams?
It is not necessary to write in every deaf village in a foreign language, this is definitely beyond measure. But in cities where there are a lot of tourists and ESPECIALLY in transport, museums, etc. It would be useful for foreigners.

I agree with you, but only when I see a similar attitude towards our tourists (in transport, in museums, shops, etc.) in Europe and America.
P.C. Where did you go? Glad your return.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

I agree with you, but only when I see a similar attitude towards our tourists (in transport, in museums, shops, etc.) in Europe and America.

Why do you single out our tourists? In the west (in non-English-speaking countries), all inscriptions are also duplicated in English, because it is the lightest and in one way or another everyone can read it: the Chinese, the Russians, the Indians, the Arabs, and anyone else. We do the same thing: the inscriptions in English will be read by a tourist from "friendly" China and a tourist from the "hated decaying" West. What is the problem?

[balunn]

Fully there all in Russian. Menu in Russian. guides in museums in Russian ... Yes, where a lot

[Doctor]

But this does not mean that on every corner, and this is happening, there should be inscriptions in English. This is disrespect for fellow citizens who do not know English and are not required to know.

Try to look at it the other way.
Why do we hold Olympics, World Championships and other gatherings with the participation of foreigners? So that they get an idea of ​​real life in Russia. And they passed this performance on to their compatriots. In the same place, propaganda is worse than Goebelssian, solid bears, balalaika and vodka. Again, the development of tourism, raising capital, even immigration to our country.
Do you seriously think that duplication of signs in the subway is the cunning attempt of the West to change our genetic code? Not so easy, even for those who are consciously trying. In English 16 times only in the active voice.
We just make it easy for foreigners to adapt to our conditions. But when they soften and relax ...

[Greenwood]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

This is disrespect for fellow citizens who do not know English and are not required to know.

Hmm, like at school everyone goes through it, and at institutes too. Everyone has basic knowledge of the language in one form or another.

[mark2]

Oh, these tales! Oh, these storytellers (c)

[AML]

This hides a bigger problem than just pointers in English. All that is possible and impossible was translated into English. Therefore, it is sometimes easier to find a dock in English than in Russian. Here you can scold anyone, but in this regard, the Anglo-Saxons well done. I don’t know what goals they pursued initially, but they made life easier for English speakers, + unobtrusively forced non-English speaking countries to learn English.

[kosovvskiy]

Kmk, the problem is exaggerated, if it exists at all. I was driving home from work - I paid special attention. There are inscriptions in the Latin alphabet, but in the overwhelming majority of cases these are the names of foreign brands, which it is not very clear why transliterate. From domestic art I found only the "profildoors" office.
Purely subjective names of offices in Latin have become less than suppose ten years ago. And, by the way, there is no voice dubbing of the name of metro stations in English for a long time (at least where I drive). Apparently, they did it for the 2018 World Cup.

And, by the way, many originally English names in mass culture are successfully Russified and not only by transliteration. Facebook, You Trumpet, Poul'n'bear, etc.

[Greenwood]

Quote: kosovvskiy

And, by the way, there is no voice dubbing of the name of metro stations in English for a long time (at least where I drive).

And what's so good about that? A friend will come to you from behind a hillock (no matter what country), he will sit in the subway. And how will he navigate the terrain? He does not know the Russian language, but he knows his native language (Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Farsi, Hebrew ... it doesn’t matter) and ENGLISH. And he will be very surprised that this knowledge is not enough for him to orient himself on the ground.

[Ros 56]

All inscriptions, advertising signs, banners and billboards should be in Russian. For non-compliance, a large fine, not just large, but huge. Duplication in a foreign language only in places where these foreigners are or may be and the size is not more than 2/3 of the size of Russian.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Ros 56

All inscriptions, advertising signs, banners and billboards should be in Russian. For non-compliance, a large fine, not just large, but huge.

This is morality. This is not found in any country in the world (even the DPRK began to introduce English, as it is developing the tourism industry).

Quote: Ros 56

where these aliens are or may be

How do you identify places where foreigners can be? I don’t use the services of a guide over the hill, but I upload a map of the area (in English) to my phone and go and drive myself wherever I want, without getting attached to some poppy hackneyed places. I comprehend the culture, so to speak. Similarly, in our city of Vladivostok, Chinese tourists have not run in groups for a guide in the central square for a long time, but shy away on their own anywhere, including from sleeping areas. Plus, the city has a large number of foreign students and employees of international companies, they also need to move around the city, and even outside the city.

[Anatole Klim]

On the Russian website Voennoye Obozreniye, the bulk of the participants are Russian, but many are registered under foreign nicknames, some of them are generally written in Latin letters. Are you ashamed of Russian callsigns and Russian alphabet ??? Globalization say ??? Oh well

[AML]

Yes, yes, if you conduct a real census, it may turn out that those who live in Russia may be the majority, but not overwhelming. And the reasons may be different. For example, I do not have Russian letters. Do you prefer me to write transliteration?

[nesvobodnaja]

I designated myself in Russian, and for some reason the nickname on the site came out in English. I did not understand why. Left as is.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: nesvobodnaja

I designated myself in Russian, and for some reason the nickname on the site came out in English. I did not understand why. Left as is.

Those. agreed. They imposed on you and you agreed. Down and Out trouble started. Tomorrow, you still have something to impose. And you will agree.

[nesvobodnaja]

))) This is not too significant, given that e-mail is indicated in Latin letters.

[Doctor]

Shy of Russian call signs

Anatoly, why are you Anatole?

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Arzt

Shy of Russian call signs

Anatoly, why are you Anatole?

It's simple, the wife calls it that, and I indicated my name, did not hesitate

[Doctor]

It's simple, the wife calls it that

Ahhh! Clear. Cherchez la femme!

[Keyser soze]

Shy of the Russian callsign and the Russian alphabet ??

The Russian alphabet generally does not exist in nature. You write in the Bulgarian Cyrillic alphabet, made by Kliment Ohridsky, by decision of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris-Mikhail, in close Bulgarian political interests in the struggle against Byzantium. And the Cyrillic woman came to you by accident.

[nesvobodnaja]

Thanks to the Solun brothers Cyril and Methodius.)

[Keyser soze]

Thanks to the Solun brothers Cyril and Methodius.)

Nuuu, actually they created a glagolitic, not a Cyrillic ...

[nesvobodnaja]

)) Thank you all for your contribution to Russian literature.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Nuuu, actually they created a glagolitic, not a Cyrillic ...

How everything is up and running. Did they tell you this at an American college? Tady - oh!
"How many friends in this world, Horatio, ...."

[Keyser soze]

How everything is up and running. Did they tell you this at an American college? Tady - oh!
"How many friends in this world, Horatio, ...."

I understand that after a few glasses, at midnight I really want to spit on the Americans, even in connection with the Cyril alphabet. Well - come on, teach the Bulgarian who Cyril, Methodius, Clement Ohridski, Naum, Sava, Angelarius, Gorazd, etc. are.

PS Μεθόδιος, Methodios - Greek letter Ѳ - Old Greek (theta), New Greek (Tita).

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Keyser Soze

I understand that after a few glasses, at midnight I really want to spit on the Americans, even in connection with the Cyril alphabet. Well - come on, teach the Bulgarian who Cyril, Methodius, Clement Ohridski, Naum, Sava, Angelarius, Gorazd, etc. are.

I don’t know what you brought the Americans here to, probably you’ve probably taken a couple of glasses.
But .., I give a hint - before the Cyrillic alphabet, Russia used the verb.

[Ros 56]

Now, if it weren’t for Russians, you wouldn’t be there at all, do you catch it?

[Antares]

Quote: Keyser Soze

by decision of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris-Mikhail

Thanks to Byzantium.
Around 863, the brothers Konstantin (Cyril) the Philosopher and Methodius of Soluni (Thessaloniki), on the orders of the Byzantine Emperor Michael III, streamlined the written language for the Old Slavonic language and used the new alphabet to translate Greek religious texts into Slavic
Prince Boris 1 was the Son of Khan Presian.
And thanks to Bulgaria too.
In Bulgaria, under Saint Tsar Boris, who adopted Christianity in 860, the first Slavic book school, the Preslav Book School, was created, the Cyril and Methodius originals of liturgical books (the Gospel, the Psalter, the Apostle, church services) are copied, new Slavic translations from Greek are made, original works appear in the Old Slavonic language (“On the Writing of the Blackhorse of the Brave”). Bulgaria becomes a center for the dissemination of Slavic writing
together, these countries won against Rome the spread of their influence.

[E.S.]

Quote: Arzt

so that anywhere in the world they could interrogate a prisoner in his language

For this, too, have to learn it.

To do this, you need a phrase book and a soldering iron. Phrasebook - to the interrogative

[AML]

Yes elephant, I'm an elephant. Just don’t hit the kidneys :) (ts)

[Petrol cutter]

Oh! Literally today, at around 15.00 p.m., a polemic battle broke out over this topic over a smoke. Among the assemblers of the CCM working on order A40. As well as welders. The parties exchanged views and argued their position. I personally did not take part in the discussion, as I am not ready to give my final decision on this issue so directly.

[E.S.]

Quote: Benzorez

Oh! Literally today, at around 15.00 p.m., a polemic battle broke out over this topic over a smoke. Among the assemblers of the CCM working on order A40. As well as welders. The parties exchanged views and argued their position. I personally did not take part in the discussion, as I am not ready to give my final decision on this issue so directly.

Can't choose between a soldering iron and an iron? :-)

[Petrol cutter]

I was not convinced by either side. And I'm not used to making decisions stupidly on emotions.

[AML]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Shy of the Russian callsign and the Russian alphabet ??

The Russian alphabet generally does not exist in nature. You write in the Bulgarian Cyrillic alphabet, made by Kliment Ohridsky, by decision of the Bulgarian Tsar Boris-Mikhail, in close Bulgarian political interests in the struggle against Byzantium. And the Cyrillic woman came to you by accident.

Ooh, another digger of the Black Sea.
Then add that the Cyrillic alphabet is based on Greek. And after Peter I introduced civil spelling, the Bulgarians also moved to it.

[Cry]

The first example was Peter the Great, who appeared on Kukuevskaya Sloboda, and then, in England, fell ill with aglycosis, so he discovered capitalism in the vastness of Russia. After perestroika, aglycosis struck the Communists, and therefore capitalism was revived in Russia.

[Yury Siritsky]

And our film studios, which almost completely duplicate American names.

[colotun]

Why should we be afraid of the English language. if it is known by statistics that still no one knows him among the general population.