BTR-4 and Dozor-B. Scandalous production shutdown

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Ukrainian production of armored combat vehicles is constantly faced with problems of a financial, technological or organizational nature, which leads to very unpleasant consequences. Right now you can watch a couple of regular stories of this kind. At the same time, two scandalous situations are developing at once - they are related to the production of BTR-4 armored personnel carriers and Dozor-B armored vehicles.


Armored personnel carrier BTR-4. Photo by GK "Ukroboronprom" / ukroboronprom.com.ua




BTR-4 and charges


The armored personnel carrier BTR-4 in the past has repeatedly become the protagonist of unpleasant stories, and now again is in the center of scandal. In recent days, there has been an exchange of views and accusations, in which the Ukroboronprom concern, the Ministry of Defense and several other organizations participated. Together, they are trying to find the culprits of the situation. However, this process is more like shifting responsibility to each other.

On August 14, Ukroboronprom Group of Companies announced problems with the production of BTR-4 and their consequences. Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering A.A. Morozov was forced to switch to a two-day working week, since the Ministry of Defense made a number of dubious decisions.

The concern indicates that the ministry has stopped financing the production of BTR-4 due to the inability to produce the required amount of equipment. The pace of production is insufficient due to the inability of the enterprise "Lozivsky Kovalsky-Mechanical Plant" to supply the necessary armored hulls. It is noted that, following the instructions of the Ministry of Defense, only LKMZ can produce cases made of 71 steel.

Due to the failure of the contract, the Ministry of Defense demands that KKBM pay a fine of 82,3 million hryvnias (approx. 220 million rubles). In addition, the military, without giving any reason, stopped funding the creation and modernization of armored combat vehicles. Lack of orders and penalties can completely block the work of HCMB.

On August 15, the military department published its response to the allegations of Ukroboronprom, in which they called them unfounded. The ministry recalled that since 2014 in the state defense order funds have been provided for the purchase of machines of the BTR-4 family; contracts for this equipment provide for an advance payment of 70-80 percent. At the same time, the fulfillment of the terms of most contracts was disrupted.

The last such contract was signed in 2017, and it had to be broken. For two years KHKBM received the funding provided, but handed over to the customer only 7 armored vehicles. A few more products are in production, but about half were not even mortgaged. With all this, KHKBM did not purchase or did not receive a significant part of the required components and assemblies. In particular, the buildings are not supplied in sufficient quantities due to the fact that KHKBM does not pay LKMZ on time.


Housing for BTR-4. Photo by GK "Ukroboronprom" / ukroboronprom.com.ua


In recent months, the Ministry of Defense held several meetings, during which it tried to find ways out of this situation. All these measures failed, and on August 15, the ministry sent a corresponding appeal to the top leadership of Ukraine.

15 August LKMZ sent a letter to the President of Ukraine. It indicated that the HCBM should plant approx. 75 mln UAH in the form of advance payments or payment for finished products. In this case, we are talking only about already manufactured cases.

LKMZ touched upon the subject of armor. At the insistence of Ukroboronprom, Finnish steel MiiluxProtection 4 is now used in the construction of the BTR-500. The plant claims that such raw materials are intended for the production of safes and collection vehicles, and it was purchased through an intermediary company in Poland. Armored vehicles from such material do not meet the requirements, but they allow to build corruption schemes. So, the Finnish steel case is approximately 1 million UAH more expensive than that made from our own raw materials.

Return move


On August 16, Ukroboronprom Group of Companies answered the ministry and published interesting information on the production of armored vehicles. The concern accused the Lozovo Forge and Mechanical Plant of cheating. LKMZ claims that the use of Finnish-made steel armored vehicles in construction leads to an increase in the cost of the product by 1 mln UAH. However, the HCBM for the same building requires 400 thousand less than LKMZ. Serial production will save millions. All this is called a sign of unfair competition.

Also, Ukroboronprom recalled the impossibility of assembling buildings. The 85 military representative of the Ministry of Defense temporarily blocked the use of imported armor used on the BTR-4. Moreover, even the presence of such steel does not solve all the problems. In November last year, the 85 representative informed the KGBM that the Lozovo plant is capable of producing only 1,45 armored vehicles per month.

Such things may indicate the presence of a conspiracy of the 85-th representative office and LKMZ, aimed at the development of budget funds. In addition, Ukroboronprom pointed out that Finnish steel MiiluxProtection 500 is actively used in the construction of foreign armored vehicles and meets the standards. They also pointed out the ability of LKMZ to produce the required number of high-quality buildings.

The hustle and bustle of the BTR-4


Thus, the production of the BTR-4 armored personnel carriers, which was already not the easiest and most successful, was faced with new organizational and financial problems. The participants in the production and the customer exchange various charges and try to find the guilty party in disrupting the production program, as well as identify corruption schemes that lead to unnecessary expenses.


Armored car "Dozor-B". Wikimedia Commons Photos


Shortly before the current exchange of applications, the construction of the BTR-4 actually stopped. The release of equipment was carried out under the 2017 contract, which provided for the supply of 45 armored vehicles. Of these, the customer received only seven in two years. A certain amount of equipment remains unfinished, and the assembly of another is not possible due to the lack of units, including armored corps.

What will happen next is unclear. To resume the assembly of armored personnel carriers, it is necessary to provide funding, solve organizational problems and reconcile contractors. All of this can be extremely challenging, especially in the current environment. Apparently, in the near future story with the BTR-4 will be continued, and it is unlikely that this will be a happy ending. Regardless of the further development of the situation, the production of the BTR-4 is temporarily stopped.

Replacement for the "Watch"


Almost simultaneously with the events surrounding the BTR-4, an equally interesting situation is developing with the production of Dozor-B armored vehicles. In early August, Radio Liberty announced that there were no plans to purchase such armored cars in the state defense order for 2018 and 2019. At the same time, the army receives Polish-made Oncilla machines.

This situation looks extremely interesting, since the Polish Oncilla armored car is a modified version of Dozor-B, created with the participation of Ukrainian enterprises. The basic armored car was created in the middle of the last decade, and then it took several years to organize mass production. Only in 2016, the army received a dozen armored cars, after which their construction stopped.

In 2013, HCBM and the Polish company Mista created an improved version of the Dozor-B machine called Oncilla. Soon Poland launched its serial production on its own. Perhaps the first customer of the Polish armored cars was the Ukrainian army. It is reported that the first Oncilla machines have already been put into operation, and new ones may follow.

The Polish version of Dozor-B has some differences from the base machine. It uses a more powerful 210-strong engine, the housing is modified, and the internal compartments are distinguished by improved ergonomics. Other combat equipment is offered. Oncilla also has a higher build quality.


Armored Car Oncilla. Photo Mil.in.ua


Probably, the technical features of the armored cars influenced the choice of the army. However, other factors cannot be ruled out, including economic and corruption. However, regardless of the real conditions, the current situation looks strange. The Dozor-B armored car was first shown 15 years ago, and then for a long time and unsuccessfully put into series. In recent years, they constantly talked about the imminent mass production of such equipment, but they collected only a dozen domestic armored cars, after which they switched to the purchase of their imported version.

Who is to blame and what to do


In just a few weeks, new unpleasant details of the construction of Ukrainian armored vehicles became known. The release of one sample turned out to be impossible, and they decided to replace the other with imported equipment. A similar situation with BTR-4 and Dozor-B raises legitimate questions, and the answers to them are obvious.

The main reason is the lack of clear plans for the development of armored weapons and equipment, taking into account the financial and organizational capabilities of the Ministry of Defense, as well as the technological potential of industry. Loud statements about certain intentions for the release of equipment are regularly heard, but the steps necessary for their implementation are not made.

Data on the procurement of components from third countries, including through various intermediaries, may indicate the existence of collusion of a corrupt nature. Overpricing, combined with the limited financial capabilities of the Ministry of Defense, is known to hit the production of equipment, the rearmament of the army and the state of defense enterprises.

As a result, Ukraine faces characteristic challenges. It temporarily cannot produce the required armored personnel carriers, and in the production of armored vehicles it is necessary to rely on foreign suppliers. Most likely, the current situation will develop, but the optimistic scenario does not look the most likely.
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  1. 0
    20 August 2019 05: 16
    Most likely, the current situation will develop, but the optimistic scenario does not look the most likely

    Which, of course, cannot but rejoice, but in general it’s time to do something, all this gadyushnik near Russia’s side has already begun to build up armaments too actively, and can even come around if you sit back
    1. +1
      20 August 2019 07: 50
      So don’t sit, AK in your arms and go!
  2. +2
    20 August 2019 08: 59
    This was to be expected if the engineers of the designers of the armored vehicles were being assembled for some kind of symposium where, in all seriousness, they were beginning to be taught by a kid who glued some model from cardboard.
  3. 0
    20 August 2019 09: 08
    The watch turned into another shame ... Campaign is a swan song of the Kharkov plant
    1. 0
      20 August 2019 09: 21
      The article is not about the plant, but about Morozov Design Bureau
      1. 0
        20 August 2019 16: 14
        Quote: Avior
        The article is not about the plant, but about Morozov Design Bureau

        Was it the Morozov Design Bureau that designed the Shame-B and the Treshchinka armored personnel carrier? Ah ha ha!
        Poor Morozov, he is probably now turning over in his coffin from the forelock "heirs".
    2. 0
      20 August 2019 16: 51
      soon the company will completely switch to the production of shame-B
      1. 0
        21 August 2019 16: 48
        Quote: yehat
        completely switch to the issue of shame-B

        They are buying it from the Poles.
  4. 0
    20 August 2019 09: 27
    As in the song ... "Everything is going according to plan". The task of the West is to deprive Ukraine of any independence, the country in the recent past was an exporter, to become a consumer of its own imported products.
  5. +1
    20 August 2019 13: 57
    BTR-4 and Dozor-B. Scandalous production shutdown
    I just read the title and a vague thought immediately appeared, whether something bad had happened in the Russian military-industrial complex, if any state defense order had failed, or again some official responsible for fulfilling our military plans had been bribed, or something else had happened in the Russian military construction. They rattled like bark beetle woodpeckers, which Russians are worried about the problems of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, when not everything is normal in their own way?
    1. +1
      20 August 2019 16: 16
      Quote: Fitter65
      when in its not everything is normal?

      Recent contracts just show that everything is normal. Your imperatives have shifted - turn over.
      1. -1
        20 August 2019 16: 19
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Recent contracts just show that everything is normal.

        Well, according to the reports and reports, everything is fine with us, though the Ball is dead, the meat is gluttonous ...
        1. +2
          20 August 2019 16: 25
          Quote: Fitter65
          Well, according to reports and reports, everything is fine with us,

          Do you have other information?
          Well, let's - open the sources, tear the truth-uterus.
          1. +2
            20 August 2019 21: 16
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Do you have other information?
            Well, let's - open the sources, tear the truth-uterus.

            "No need to reflect, spread."
            A. Navalny
    2. +1
      20 August 2019 20: 06
      Quote: Fitter65
      which Russians are worried about the problems of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, when not everything is normal in its own way?

      Or we ourselves will choose what worries us, what interests us. Why are there always "clever men" who run with zeal to indicate who can be interested in what?
      If you have enough "cleverness" write an article about our military-industrial complex, we will read it with pleasure and there will be a balance. But for some reason I am more than sure that you, like any similar exposer and a pointer to whom how to live, are guided by one concept - somewhere something is wrong, ahhh well, it’s even worse with us. So this is not opposition, it’s just whining and disappeared ...
      Quote: Fitter65
      Well, according to the reports and reports, everything is fine with us, though the Ball is dead, the meat is gluttonous ...

      Nothing can be good with us. You then can not eat.
  6. 0
    20 August 2019 16: 06
    Long uv. the author refrained from the grain "Ukrainian question" in his articles (good by the way).
    Welcome to the circle of Ukrainians. So they, saloedov, from all sides, even in the "Armament" section, the Ukrainian question is burning ..
    1. +1
      20 August 2019 18: 51
      Quote: Dimka75
      , even in the "Armament" section, the Ukrainian question is burning ..

      I am also indignant - because of the weapons they have only bows and arrows. Well, what can you talk about here at all !?
  7. +1
    20 August 2019 19: 46
    new unpleasant details of the construction of Ukrainian armored vehicles became known. The release of one sample was not possible

    Unpleasant for whom? For the author? I am quite satisfied with the "successes" of the Ukrainian defense industry. The worse it is, the calmer and more pleasant I am ... laughing
  8. +1
    20 August 2019 20: 38
    "Return move"
    This paragraph did not understand much.
    On August 16, Ukroboronprom Group of Companies answered the ministry and published interesting information about the production of armored vehicles.

    LKMZ claims that the use of Finnish-made steel armored vehicles in construction leads to an increase in the cost of the product by UAH 1 million. However, KHKBM for the same building requires 400 thousand less than LKMZ.

    So what's the disclosure then? If you buy exactly the same steel grade at the same price, the production is the same then it is clear. If there was a competition and LKMZ won it at a higher price then it is also clear.
    And now I don’t see where the fraud is.

    In addition, Ukroboronprom pointed out that Finnish steel MiiluxProtection 500 is actively used in the construction of foreign armored vehicles and meets the standards. They also pointed out the ability of LKMZ to produce the required number of high-quality buildings.

    In November last year, the 85th representative office informed KGBM that the Lozovo plant was capable of producing only 1,45 armored vehicles per month.

    Firstly, why does the 85th representative office report to the HCMB? Secondly, on the basis of what it concludes on the possible release of products and on the basis of which GK "Ukroboronprom" declares the opposite.
    From what I have written, I see such a picture of LKMZ can completely produce many buildings and make money on it, but they produce little and do not earn. Is this some kind of new business scheme?

    Again, I do not want to offend the author, but perhaps by curtailing the investigation of the bickering between these representatives, he reduced a certain meaning, which should be obvious. Or I can’t understand it, but everyone else understood. It is sad and that and that.
  9. 0
    20 August 2019 21: 14
    Oncilla, if I read correctly, is an enchanting technique. A feeling that was done with an eye on the French VBL. Only larger, on the principle of Tavria pickup with a hard top. As a result, instead of elegant lines, rough, amorphous forms.
    Okay, as I understand it, a car like our Tiger is a lightweight multi-functional army SUV. The thing is necessary.
    And now I don’t understand what. According to some articles, it’s clear that for the Ukrainian army they are trying to reduce the cost of their equipment, using ATGMs on ATVs and something else. It was clear that this Watch would not go to mass, and it is needed only as a mass car. Well then, in general, why bother with it, it is not easier to immediately develop an extremely cheapened version. Well, will there be 2 dozen of them in the army - spare parts, repairs, and so on? Why is it necessary with such an approach, it will result in even more expensive service. By the way, in 17 it was written that the Polish version costs 500 thousand dollars.
    And now the most enchanting and shameful. They collected themselves from a dozen, it is not specified from which components. And they switched to the purchase of the Polish version, which is all of the imported components. Why is there such a machine in the army? That's just the word in general? This is not just pure corruption, but I do not know what to call it.
    Even more miserable and less modern equipment, but assembled in Ukraine, is much better from Ukrainian parts, it gives both work and money to the industry, and the design can be modernized in the production process. And it will cost many times cheaper.
    In general, in one article we were told how Ukraine gave an impetus to production and industry due to military orders. This is partly true. But partly it’s the same looting.
  10. 0
    21 August 2019 01: 48
    The Lviv plant stupidly lacks space;
    The maximum that he can do is restore after preservation (in Ukrainian, complete looting) one tank, or a couple of infantry fighting vehicles per month, + current repair of equipment that came from the troops.
    They need to build a new workshop (or better, two), but the land in Lviv is too expensive, and the government "groysmanit" money

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