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On the relevance of the brain drain problem from Russia

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Over the past month, Russian schoolchildren have successfully proved themselves in a number of international olympiads, having achieved several awards of the highest standard. On the one hand, this is an occasion for joy and pride. But on the other hand, there is an understanding of the risks associated with the fact that boys and girls trained in Russia can leave the country and move to study and work, for example, to the West.


On the relevance of the brain drain problem from Russia


Channel “Time - Go!”, As usual, is set exclusively for positive. He gives statistics on the education of Russians outside of Russia (in foreign universities). According to UNESCO, this is about 57 thousand people. The channel says that in fact it is “a drop in the bucket”, since 4,7 million students study at Russian universities.

Logic has a right to exist. But after all, 57 of thousands of people, even purely mathematically, is not at all small. Yes, among them there are children of diplomats who live abroad on duty. But often these are children of representatives of Russian political elites who themselves live in the territory of the Russian Federation. The bottom line is that individual parents send their children to study abroad, initially excluding their education at home. With what attitude to Russia will such graduates return, for example, from the UK, USA, France? What mentality will they have formed, especially when you consider that the children of politicians a priori expect to become politicians too?

Therefore, the problem of “brain drain” and the education of children of politicians outside of Russia is not limited to comparing the number of students “there” and “here”. This problem is much broader.

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  1. Svarog
    Svarog 19 August 2019 14: 43
    +3
    In order for the "brains" not to drain, conditions need to be created here .. And now everyone can see that the way up has been ordered, because Rogozin (for example) has children, and children have grandchildren and realize their ambitions, if you are a genius, you won't get out. Or take a salary, how much does a researcher, doctor, etc. receive, and how many "ingenious" irreplaceable managers of state corporations? Liberals think that the market will regulate everything, so it regulates, but not in our favor.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2019 15: 22
      -6
      about the children of Rogozin. I don’t give a damn about motives, but his son has knowledge and a specialty extremely rare and very complex. he is in crisis. in our country, training on this began very recently, and in fact there are very few of them. if he has a surname at least whatever he finds a job and always very highly paid. so it’s not at all a surname, but about who you are making from your child. so let's not write nonsense. about blat and stuff. it certainly can affect, but believe me now it’s not a scoop and fools to take on difficult positions, it means harming yourself and taking risks so it will be a very stupid person. the days of idiocy are over. Now is the time for people with brains.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 19 August 2019 16: 04
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Believe me now, it’s not a scoop and fools to take on difficult positions, this means harming yourself

        That's it, they are doing what they DO NOT HARM themselves, everything in the house, everything in the family, which is called ..

        Quote: carstorm 11
        the days of idiocy are over. now is the time of people with brains

        That you cool wrapped ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 19 August 2019 16: 13
          -3
          I did not wrap up and live in such an environment. extremely competitive. to take relatives or acquaintances means to be responsible for the result later. and if they can’t do anything, why should I?
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 19 August 2019 16: 18
            -2
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I did not wrap up and live in such an environment. extremely competitive. to take relatives or acquaintances means to be responsible for the result later. and if they can’t do anything, why should I?

            You naively argue .. Let's talk about the results, we have in all areas, relatives, friends, children .. How do you evaluate the results? In which area do we have a breakthrough?
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 19 August 2019 16: 53
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            it means then to be responsible for the result
            So no one is responsible for the result here. Rogozin answered a lot for the "successes" of Roscosmos? Or, for example, Serdyukov answered a lot for his "reforms"? They hang out from position to position, but they never go unsuccessful.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 19 August 2019 22: 33
              0
              Quote: Greenwood
              So no one is responsible for the result here. Rogozin answered a lot for the "successes" of Roscosmos? Or, for example, Serdyukov answered a lot for his "reforms"? They hang out from position to position, but they never go unsuccessful.

              So I’m talking about the same thing, but the opponent moved right away, as it came to the specifics ..
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 19 August 2019 16: 28
        +2
        Well, nonsense! Who are you?! Maybe you have a son of Rogozin ?!
      3. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 August 2019 17: 00
        +2
        Quote: carstorm 11
        specialty is extremely rare
        Which one?
        Quote: carstorm 11
        in our country, training for such began very recently and in fact there are very few
        Those. he was just lucky that he was unlearned for such a promising specialty that no one except him was pulling for?!?!
        Quote: carstorm 11
        whether his surname is at least what he will find a job and always very highly paid
        So I look at his biography. I just graduated from the institute, I just worked as a graduate student, and here again, and they were appointed deputy director, and then immediately director. NU and then continuous managing director positions. Question: why on earth should a third-party person who has not worked at the enterprise for at least a few years in production be appointed a director? With what fright would he know the structure of the enterprise? Is he a child prodigy? No. Does he have any special achievements? Also no. Oh yes, he has a dad in a high position.
        Quote: carstorm 11
        whom do you make of your child
        Of course, Rogozin had much more opportunities to send his son to study at a good university for a thug. And Rogozin also has connections in big business and bureaucratic circles, in order to push his son later into the director’s chair. That's the whole layout.
  2. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 19 August 2019 14: 44
    -7
    Russia has already revived and many scientists are striving to return to their homeland. The majority of young people stopped thinking about going abroad. It's alright
    1. Revival
      Revival 19 August 2019 15: 09
      +5
      And where are the exclamation points?
      After all, you wrote such a good news, because most of you do not know!
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 August 2019 15: 13
        +2
        Read other posts from this friend. He's obviously an addict. fool
        1. Avior
          Avior 19 August 2019 22: 32
          +1
          Why immediately addict?
          Maybe the person just watched TV? laughing
  3. Sergey39
    Sergey39 19 August 2019 14: 48
    +5
    Well, I would not call the children of politicians "the best minds". Although the problem exists and these are two different problems.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2019 15: 24
      -1
      why not? their training begins in early childhood and lasts a lifetime. languages ​​are taught from kindergarten. they have access to a better education and environment in which to grow personally. This is a very big advantage over the rest. Of course there are enough of those on whom nature rested, but not all for sure.
      1. Sergey39
        Sergey39 19 August 2019 16: 12
        0
        That is how it is. But the great scientists and progressors from "onizhedeti" are not heard. Freebie never brought to goodness. And then these children go to the West to study not at all in order to return and raise the economy of their homeland. Most of them plan to stay there.
      2. Varyag71
        Varyag71 19 August 2019 16: 32
        +2
        Hmm ... you have to write this. Of course, they are taught from early childhood. In the best schools of London. They learn how to manage people, which is an ordinary herd for them. They have the best teachers, the best practical exercises, absolutely everything is available to them, because they are being prepared for the board! And at this time in the Russian Unified State Examination, there is a complete dullness. Everywhere you have to pay! And I’m sure that paid secondary education is just around the corner. Because smart people are not needed in our country. You need a dumb one whose interest is only a hawk, iPhone, and clothes.
  4. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 14: 50
    +6
    It seems to me that the problem is absolutely not being considered from that side. The important thing is not how many brains have flowed away, but what contingent has remained and how much effort the country has spent in vain on those who left (maybe zero)
    all that matters is the value of a simple equation (effort to educate everyone) - (value of the trained staff remaining in the country) =?
    artificial barriers can be established, but in my opinion only 1 barrier is fair - work out what you have invested, lost profits and free.
    Now people rightly vote with their feet because of the disgusting attitude of business towards specialists.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2019 15: 26
      -2
      exactly. Now everyone is trying to keep specialists in all sorts of goodies. everyone knows their value. you won’t pay, he will go wherever they are.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 19 August 2019 14: 59
    -1
    the problem of “brain drain” and the education of children of politicians outside of Russia is not limited to comparing the number of students “there” and “here”. This problem is much broader.

    Okay, indicated, reminded ONCE AGAIN! And then what?
    The dream-desire of the young and talented, who wants to get out of here, can hardly be corrected / tweaked! And with this "little that", how are things?
    I want to be sure that those who remain consciously are much better than those who wish to dump!
    1. Revival
      Revival 19 August 2019 15: 10
      -3
      With this "little" we have little
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 August 2019 16: 40
        -1
        Quote: Revival
        With this "little" we have little

        Very similar to that, but not absolutely aha!
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 19 August 2019 15: 16
      -1
      Quote: rocket757
      those who remain consciously are much better than those who wish to dump!
      Not better. Often ambitious people dump, ready to turn mountains, to learn something new, not afraid of a change of scenery and lifestyle. And often there are mattresses, dies and illiterate marginals, who have no hobbies in the evenings except beer and hookah.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 August 2019 16: 39
        -1
        Quote: Greenwood
        . And often there are mattresses, dies and illiterate marginals, who in addition to beer and hookah have no hobbies in the evenings

        Your opinion, okay ......
        As different fall there, so different remain. It is a fact.
        Doldons are not needed, they do not "find themselves", neither here nor there, it’s just a little easier for them here, their native walls help!
        Talented ones can come true here and there .... just here ... it happens differently, just like there, but no matter what, native walls help, that's a fact!
        Unrecognized "geniuses" screech EVERYWHERE the same way.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 19 August 2019 16: 48
          -1
          Quote: rocket757
          Doldons are not needed, they do not "find themselves", neither here nor there, it’s just a little easier for them here, their native walls help!
          Such people simply will not get there, because they need money and a little knowledge of the language.
          Quote: rocket757
          Talented ones can come true here and there.
          Here both agree and disagree. Unfortunately, the conditions in which a potential specialist is offered to work are far from ideal. Wages in the province are below the baseboard. Plus, the very atmosphere of peripheral cities does not contribute to self-development: here you have bad roads, and no improvement, and shabby littered houses and streets, and the lack of parking lots, green areas, normal public spaces. Let's say we don't have a single normal park in Vladivostok where one could lie on the lawn, relax, take a walk. Everything is in ruins, or turned into a public toilet. The mayor's office has a traditional excuse about the lack of money and "this territory does not belong to the city." Sometimes the feeling that our life is in full swing only in Moscow, St. Petersburg and a couple of millionaires, and the rest of the territory is quietly dying out.
          Quote: rocket757
          native walls help, that's a fact!
          Native people and their own brains help, this is a fact!
          Quote: rocket757
          Unrecognized "geniuses"
          Do you know those? Me not.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 August 2019 19: 10
            -1
            Quote: Greenwood
            Native people and their own brains help, this is a fact!

            native walls, the concept is complex!
            Quote: Greenwood
            Do you know those? Me not.

            I met a couple who considered themselves as such ... at least they groaned "brilliantly"!
            Quote: Greenwood
            Unfortunately, the conditions under which a potential specialist is invited to work are far from ideal.

            Ideal conditions ...... the concept is complex, multifaceted, who cares!
            In fact, if there are improved starting conditions and then not all are implemented as they want! And if it’s just general, normal, averaged conditions .... whoever comes out with different reasons!
            Our conditions are not worse, in general, affects the general underdevelopment of this! disinterest of business and the state! Those. how many more where, but not in the most advanced countries, which are clearly smaller than all the rest!
  6. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 19 August 2019 15: 07
    0
    The article raised a very serious question. But the problem is wider. Raising and educating children is left to chance, with the exception of those whose dads and mothers can pay for quality education. And for the rest, what? Learn to count to ten, watch television, sign - where they say, vote - who will they say?
    And the children are well aware that bright brains alone are few. It is necessary to have family relations with representatives of government and large business.
    So, until there are normal social elevators in the country and no normal general education for all, there will be brain drain. To the great regret.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 19 August 2019 15: 29
      -2
      yes with a fig? do you think universities do not need higher education?) This is their prestige and their goods, so to speak. It’s the bright heads that everybody seeks. just a few of them. generation too violent. although not all. a bunch of camp conferences and round tables. even in small cities. it's just that they illuminate poorly but very in vain.
    2. Rus_Balt
      Rus_Balt 19 August 2019 19: 51
      -7
      Don't write nonsense if you don't know! But what about Yunarmiya? What kind of drift are you talking about? And Skolkovo - no, have you? What is not an incentive for young scientists? With patriotic and scientific education - everything is fine! And our education is one of the most successful in the world!
    3. eagle owl
      eagle owl 19 August 2019 20: 34
      +1
      Not this way. I myself worked at a research institute, and so, I’ll tell you that of those who are interested in social elevators, scientists do not work. Grunts are obtained. Climbing to the front lines, deputy leaders, chafing at conferences, printing ... But he did it himself - nothing. And two, for example, Ukrainians with a state award, not, from starvation, frankly, they will not swell at all. But here their money is of last interest, here they are such eccentrics. You can tell Perelman an example, and the truth. such a sea ... And for example, my generation such were in the 90s and zero, and now there are such pioneers. You see, science is a vocation, it is not making a living. Those. who want a lot of money - go to scammers from science, such as Malysheva and Mask - but they are by no means scientists
  7. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 19 August 2019 15: 46
    -8
    Russian scientists already have practically the same salary as Western ones, only after taxes do they have more
  8. Galleon
    Galleon 19 August 2019 17: 23
    -3
    Some comments sincerely surprise. One writes about how universities are hunting for bright heads for sale (they have the goods) and how great it is to be specialists under the guidance of children of various nobles, specialists in everything. Another writes that our scientists caught up with the salaries of Western scientists. Some strange subject was touched upon - apparently, it excites commentators under the supervision of doctors.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 19 August 2019 22: 05
      -1
      Quote: Galleon
      Some strange subject was touched upon - apparently, it excites commentators under the supervision of doctors.

      laughing good you probably got the best comment laughing
  9. eagle owl
    eagle owl 19 August 2019 18: 19
    -1
    About politicians, the trick is that for them, education is not so much a way to gain knowledge as a way to make acquaintances among future colleagues. And this, of course, is easier to do over the hill just because the children of officials from numerous colonies of the Western world study there. Not to mention the fact that the children of the 5th column, by definition, will study where the curator says - see daughter Navalenka.
    And this is not a brain drain, there is no brain there. But with fundamental science - you have to think hard. And we must start with the cleaning of the RAS - there is such a dump with nepotism - as it has remained since the 90s, and continues. In fact, only "boxes" work in the country, which is wrong. Research institutes in medicine need a bunch, but they are half-dead - the Pasteur Center, the Institute of Microbiology of the Russian Academy of Sciences ...
  10. Rus_Balt
    Rus_Balt 19 August 2019 19: 24
    -8
    Stop being liberal! All the outstanding achievements and inventions in our country were made in "sharazki"! In the scientists' barracks, so as not to be distracted from solving problems, dietary food - so as not to swim with fat and eat up the country and, of course, barbed wire around the perimeter and guardians with dogs - so that they don't run away! And a new generation of Korolev and Tupolev will again lead the Russian Federation to a leading position in the world! Only research institutes and design bureaus of a prison type - in no other way, time confirmed!

    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%BA%D0%B0
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 19 August 2019 21: 16
      -1
      Stop being liberal! All the outstanding achievements and inventions in our country were made in "sharazki"!

      Not in YOUR, but in the country of your master. Werner von Braun, the Nazi, an active member of the NSDAP, the SS Sturmbanführer, lived the rest of his life IN SHARASH. under the strictest supervision. And this is the entire US space program ...
      Well, about outstanding inventions, I recently cited an example, sort of like automatic weapons, machine guns, sort of like - an American invention, although Gatling, for example, is often called a grapeshot. Farther. MA'xim - fled to Britain, where a worker designed a machine gun. Browning to Belgium. Lewis! He's a military man in general, a colonel - he also drove to Europe, in the USA their inventions did not take off - the arms lobby did not give way ...
      The example is simple. And now there is no one to invent - there is need for those who can SAW the budget - this is more in demand!
      1. eagle owl
        eagle owl 19 August 2019 23: 17
        -1
        About which it is said - there is nothing to argue - click the minus !.
        At least one of the minusers justify - maybe? laughing
  11. Dedok
    Dedok 23 September 2019 08: 47
    0
    Remember how respected Dmitry Anatolyevich visited Moscow State University?
    For the first time, the jellies told him that they would not stay at home.
    The second time, before the meeting with DAM, they worked on the contingent, but "Masha" is an excellent student, to his question she said something like the following: there they prepared a laboratory for my work, but here in the lackeys for someone's idle relatives?