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Did they win too? On the contribution of France to the Second World War

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France is considered one of the full-fledged countries - winners of German Nazism, along with the Soviet Union, the USA, and Great Britain. But in reality, the contribution of the French to the struggle against Nazi Germany is in many ways overestimated.




How France fought


By the time World War II began, France was considered one of the strongest countries in Europe, along with Germany and Great Britain. By the time the Nazis invaded France, the French army totaled more than 2 million personnel, included 86 divisions, 3609 were armed tanks, 1700 artillery pieces and had 1400 aircraft. Germany had 89 divisions on the French border, that is, the forces of the parties were comparable.

On 10 of May 1940 of the year Germany invaded France, and on 25 of May, the Commander-in-Chief of the French Armed Forces, General Maxim Weigann, at a government meeting, said that surrender should be requested. On 14 of June 1940 of the year the Germans entered Paris, and on 22 of June 1940 of the year France officially capitulated. One of the largest European powers, which had dozens of colonies in Africa, Asia, America and Oceania, lasted only 40 days. More than a million troops were captured, 84 thousands died.


Hitler and Peten


10 July 1940 years, two months after the German attack, a pro-Hitler puppet government was approved in France, approved by the National Assembly in Vichy. He was led by the 84-year-old Marshal Henri Philippe Petain - one of the oldest French military commanders, who received the marshal's rank in the 1918 year. Shortly before the surrender of France, Petain became deputy chairman of the French government. Pétain fully supported Hitler in exchange for control of the southern part of France.

The northern part remained occupied by German troops. The Vichy government, named after the name of the city in which it was formed, controlled the situation in most French colonies. So, under the control of the Vichy were the most important colonies in North Africa and Indochina - Algeria and Vietnam. The Vichy government deported at least 75 thousands of French Jews to death camps, thousands of French fought on the side of Nazi Germany against the Soviet Union.

Of course, not all French were collaborators. After the surrender of France, the national committee of General Charles De Gaulle, operating from London, began his activities. He was subordinated to the French military units, who did not want to serve the Vichy regime. Partisan and underground movement unfolded on the territory of France itself.

But it is worth noting that the contribution of the French Resistance to the war against Nazi Germany was incomparable with the contribution that the Vichy government and part of France controlled by the Nazis made to equip the Wehrmacht with weapons, to provide it with food, uniforms and equipment. Almost all the industrial capacities of France until its liberation worked for the needs of Nazi Germany.

During the period from 1940 to 1944, France delivered 4 thousand aircraft, 10 thousand aviation engines for the needs of the Luftwaffe. German planes with French engines bombed Soviet cities. More than 52 thousand trucks manufactured in France made up a significant part of the vehicle fleet of the Wehrmacht and the SS troops.

The French military factories uninterruptedly supplied Germany with mortars, howitzers, and armored vehicles. And the French workers worked at these enterprises. Millions of French men did not even think of rebelling against the Nazis. Yes, there were some strikes, but they could not be compared with the real struggle waged by the inhabitants of the Soviet Union or, say, Yugoslavia in the occupied territories.

In the Soviet Union, the miners of Donbass flooded the mines so that the Nazi invaders could not use coal, and in France, the workers could do the best they could to strike - no, not against supplies weapons to the front, but for an increase in wages. That is, in principle, they were ready to work to build up the power of the German army, but for a slightly larger fee!

Fighting France is associated with us, for example, with the famous aviation regiment "Normandy - Neman". The pilots of the Normandy-Neman are real heroes, fearless guys who gave their lives, fighting in the sky over the Soviet Union against Nazi aviation. But we understand that there were very few pilots of the Normandy-Neman. But thousands of French fought as part of the Wehrmacht and SS volunteer units. As a result of the war, 23 thousands of 136 French citizens who served in various units and divisions of the SS and the Wehrmacht were captured. And how many thousands of Frenchmen were not captured, how many thousands died on Soviet soil, where did they come with fire and sword in the reach of the Nazi invaders?

By the way, the French historian Jean-Francois Muracchol estimates the number of Free French forces - the armed wing of "Free France" - in 73 thousands of 300 people. But actually the French among them there were only 39 thousand 300 people - not much more than the number of Frenchmen in Soviet captivity and clearly less than the number of French troops fighting on the side of Nazi Germany. The remaining fighters of the Free French Forces were represented by Africans and Arabs from the French colonies (about 30 thousand people) and foreigners of various origin, who served in the Foreign Legion or joined the “Free France” on their own initiative.

Who were the famous French partisans


About the movement "poppies" write books, make films. Famous French partisans ... Only the French among them were an absolute minority. And would ethnic French begin to create partisan units with names like Donbass or Kotovsky? The main part of the French partisan resistance was composed of Soviet prisoners of war who had fled from prison camps in Western Europe, the Spanish revolutionaries who had moved to France - the remnants of the revolutionary forces that had been defeated by the troops of Francisco Franco, the German anti-fascists, as well as the British and American military intelligence who were being thrown to the rear to the Nazis.

Only American intelligence agents were thrown into the territory of France 375 people, another 393 people were agents of Great Britain. The abandonment of agents took such proportions that in the 1943 year, the United States and Great Britain developed an entire reserve of intelligence officers who spoke French. After that, groups consisting of 1 Englishman, 1 American and 1 Frenchman, who spoke English and acted as a translator, began to throw.

Did they win too? On the contribution of France to the Second World War


The former Soviet prisoners of war fought most fiercely, forming the basis of numerous guerrilla groups named after the heroes of the Civil War, Soviet cities. So, the detachment "Stalingrad" was commanded by Lieutenant Georgy Ponomarev. France still remembers the names of George Kitaev and Fedor Kozhemyakin, Nadezhda Lisovets and other heroic Soviet soldiers.

Among the participants of the Resistance there were representatives of the Russian emigration, for example, the legendary Vicki, Vera Obolenskaya - the wife of Prince Nikolai Obolensky. In the underground, Vicki was involved in organizing the escapes of British prisoners of war, and was responsible for communication between underground groups. Her life ended tragically - she was arrested by the Gestapo and on 4 on August 1944 she was executed in Berlin. The song of the partisans became the anthem of the Resistance, and Anna Yuryevna Smirnova-Marley (nee Betulinskaya), also an emigrant from Russia, wrote it.

A huge contribution to the organization of the partisan struggle against the Nazi invaders was made by French Jews and immigrants from other countries, who created a number of their own underground groups in France, as well as those present in most international partisan formations. An underground network “Strong Hand” was created, on the basis of which an entire “Jewish Army” was formed. In Lyon, Toulouse, Paris, Nice and other cities in France, there were underground Jewish groups engaged in warehouse sabotage, the destruction of sex workers by Hitler’s intelligence services, theft and destruction of Jewish lists.

A large number of people of Armenian descent lived in France, so it is not surprising that groups of partisans and underground members, ethnic Armenians, also appeared. Gold letters inscribed in history France’s name is Misak Manushyan, an Armenian anti-fascist who managed to escape from the Nazi concentration camp and create his own underground group. Unfortunately, Misak was also captured by the Gestapo and executed on 21 on February 1944. Misak Manushyan's group included 2 Armenians, 11 Jews (7 Polish, 3 Hungarian Jews and 1 Bessarabian Jewess), 5 Italians, 1 Spaniard and only 3 Frenchmen.

The writer Luiza Srapionovna Aslanyan (Grigoryan), who took an active part in the Resistance Movement together with her husband Arpiar Levonovich Aslanyan, was killed in the Nazi camp (he also died under strange circumstances in the Nazi concentration camp - whether he was killed or died from torture).

On 22 on August 1944, in the vicinity of La Madeleine, a detachment of French partisans, the Maki, attacked a German column retreating from Marseille. The convoy included 1300 soldiers and officers, 6 tanks, 2 self-propelled artillery, 60 trucks. The partisans managed to blow up the bridge and the road. Then they began shelling the column with machine guns. For a whole day the Germans, who had absolute superiority in numbers, fought with a small partisan detachment. As a result, 110 German soldiers and only 3 partisans died. Heroes of the French partisans? Undoubtedly. Yes, only the French in the detachment were only 4 people, and the remaining 32 fearless anti-fascists were Spanish by nationality.

In total, the number of French partisans was about 20-25 thousand people. And this is in a country with more than 40 millions of people! And this is taking into account that 3 thousands of partisans were citizens of the Soviet Union, and many thousands more were ethnic Armenians, Georgians, Jews, Spaniards, Italians, Germans, who ended up on the territory of France by the will of fate and often gave their lives for her liberation from the Nazi invaders.

Are the laurels of the victorious country difficult for France?


As for the French themselves, an absolute minority of the country's inhabitants joined the partisan movement. Millions of French citizens continued to work properly, to carry out their duties, as if nothing had happened. Thousands of Frenchmen went to war on the Eastern Front, served in the colonial troops, obeying the collaborationist regime of Vichy, and did not think about resistance to the invaders.

This suggests the conclusion that, in general, the French population was not so burdened by life under the rule of Nazi Germany. But is it possible then, in this case, to consider France among one of the countries - winners of fascism? After all, the same Serbs or Greeks made a much more significant contribution to the victory over the Nazi invaders. In small New Zealand, 10% of the country's male population died on the fronts of World War II, fighting against Japanese and German forces, although no one occupied New Zealand.

Therefore, even if the German Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel did not say the words ascribed to him - “Well, have we lost the French too?”, Then they should clearly have been said. As such, France simply did not contribute to the victory over Nazi Germany, since the Vichy regime supported the Nazis. If we are talking about individual Frenchmen who fought in the ranks of the Resistance, then there were many real heroes - anti-fascists of German or Spanish nationality, but no one speaks of Spain's contribution to the fight against Nazism or Germany's participation in the victory over itself.
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  1. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 20 August 2019 05: 09
    +45
    "Victory always has many parents, defeat is always an orphan!"
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 20 August 2019 14: 07
      +21
      France became a victorious country thanks to the already begun confrontation between the Soviet Union and the West. From then Germany it was necessary to chop off a fatter piece controlled by the Anglo-Saxons. This met with a negative reaction from Stalin. But thanks to preferences on the Polish question, he agreed to this. As a result, not one third of Germany, but one fourth came into the occupation zone under the auspices of the SSOR. But again, this is not entirely simple arithmetic. Poland inherited Silesia, Pomerania, Breslau, Danzig, part of East Prussia, Stettin and other cities and lands of Germany. For this, the Poles are very grateful good and answer with the same coin ....
    2. yehat
      yehat 20 August 2019 17: 12
      +15
      I recall a curious statistic.
      during the liberation of France, more than a million episodes of rape of French women by Americans were recorded. And before that, in France, for several years there were massive houses of tolerance serving the Germans and it was prestigious to have a German in cavaliers. And after the war, the French cut their hair on their bald head and in every possible way humiliated those women who were noticed in relations with the Germans. That's how France won. On the bed front it was not very calm.
      winners, nothing to say.
    3. aleksandaravin
      aleksandaravin 21 August 2019 11: 51
      0
      And the Great Corsican (Napoleon) said!
    4. Revolver
      Revolver 21 August 2019 20: 11
      +10
      The contribution of the French to that war is clearly underestimated. One Charlemagne division was worth it! They fought to the end and all fell during the assault on Berlin.
      But is it just on the other side of the front?

      And on the side of the USSR there was 1 (in words: one) squadron, which was renamed a regiment "for solidity", and even then all the ground personnel were Soviet.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 21 August 2019 23: 32
        +5
        Quote: Nagan
        and all fell during the assault on Berlin.

        Not all. Not all (the division in Berlin did not smell). Later DeGolevtsy tortured to catch these ghouls in the mattress and British prisoner of war camps. The case of execution on the road by personal order of De Gaulle is also known, when the French dragged several SS men with stripes of the French legion from the column of captured Germans captured by mattresses and immediately put them into consumption.
  2. Phil77
    Phil77 20 August 2019 05: 29
    +26
    If in Russian, then they got along. And diplomatically, they allowed them to join the ranks of the anti-Hitler coalition, respectively, and the ranks of the victorious countries. * Normandy-Neman *, and there’s nothing more to remember about the participation of the French in the defeat of Nazism.
    1. svp67
      svp67 20 August 2019 06: 06
      +14
      Quote: Phil77
      * Normandy-Niemen *, and there is nothing more to remember about the participation of the French in the defeat of Nazism.

      Why? During the landing in Normandy, four tank divisions of the Free French, a bomber squadron
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 20 August 2019 06: 16
        +19
        To participate in a separate operation, it’s not enough, but what about victory in the war? Politics! In the camp of the victors, Comrade Stalin needed an ally, and he became De Gaulle.
        1. zenion
          zenion 21 August 2019 17: 53
          +2
          An ally, not personally to Comrade Stalin, but for the country of the USSR.
      2. Angelica
        Angelica 21 August 2019 11: 04
        +2
        svp67 (Sergey) Yesterday, 06: 06
        Why? During the landing in Normandy, four tank divisions of the Free French, a bomber squadron

        Here are all the forces participating in the landing: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_in_Normandy#Sruffland_military
        Find "4 French Panzer Divisions" there?
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2019 21: 52
          +3
          Quote: angelica
          Find "4 French Panzer Divisions" there?

          ... From 31 July 1944 g. In Normandy began to land the 2-I French armored division (2 DB) under the command of General Leclerc. .... In operational terms, the division was subordinate to the American command and was on the Western Front primarily for political reasons: on 25 on August 1944 it was she who was honored to be the first to enter liberated Paris.
          The largest French group, Army B (renamed 25 of September 1944 in the 1 French Army), was prepared for landing in southern France. In addition to two tank divisions (1 and 5), the army included several armored cavalry and tank destroyer regiments.

          Yes, and you're right, one division operated in North Africa
    2. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 August 2019 08: 34
      +13
      And they diplomatically allowed them to join the ranks of the anti-Hitler coalition, respectively, and the ranks of the victorious countries. * Normandy-Neman *, and there is nothing more to remember about the participation of the French in the defeat of Nazism.
      72 Normans fought in Normandy .................... 72 Carl !!!! Of these, 14 pilots and 58 aircraft mechanics!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 21 August 2019 19: 10
        0
        But weren't our guys in their mechanics?
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 August 2019 09: 09
      +11
      Quote: Phil77
      If in Russian, then cling to.

      England anointed them in Yalta in 1945, the Soviet Union agreed, the United States objected the longest.

      Churchill’s arguments: France’s neighbor Germany knows it well and can control it, England itself is not in a position to control her occupation zone and she needs France’s help, France will be able to control the American zone after the US leaves. The zone of France was allocated from the zones of England and the USA.

      So they took her for practical reasons, as an overseer, she was not allowed to the solution of any questions the structure of Europe after capitulation, even in the Potsdam Conference (June 1945), did not take part.

      Therefore, her position was a rather humiliating and full-fledged winner. It is difficult to consider her

      And right, I didn’t deserve it.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 20
        +1
        I don’t remember where I read it, but the US considered France as an occupation zone. About 3 leaders of the occupation administration were trained for it, and "colonial dollars" were printed. Can anyone know in more detail?
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 20 August 2019 14: 57
          +2
          Indeed, Roosevelt insisted that France enter into the scope of the Allied Military Government for Occupied Territories (France, Germany, Italy, Austria and Japan). Opponents of this were Henry Stimson, US Secretary of War, US Under Secretary of Defense and General Dwight Eisenhower, Supreme Commander of the Expeditionary Force, who advocated for cooperation with De Gaulle.
          Roosevelt lost, therefore, control over the territory of France passed not to AMGOT, but to the armed forces of Free France.
          As for the "colonial dollars", the Allies issued a special currency - "Invasion Notes", or "Invasion Currency" as part of their general preparations for the invasion of Western Europe occupied by Germany.
          In France, the Allied Military Currency of two issues was used - Supplemental French Franc Currency and Provisional French Franc Currency.

          The bills looked quite decent. Obverse and reverse side of the "occupation" banknote of 50 francs.
          More details - http://users.skynet.be/jeeper/currency.html.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 20 August 2019 15: 09
            +3
            Quote: Undecim
            The bills looked quite decent. Obverse and reverse side of the "occupation" banknote of 50 francs.

            What the French took into account and already at the end of December 1945 created their own CFA (colonial franc) for their possessions in CA and ZA, then other Afrostanes joined, now they are near 15. At the beginning, 1 CFA cost 1 franc, since 1994 of the year 100 CFA costs 1 franc. Their teachers are good.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 20 August 2019 15: 15
              +4
              since 1994, already 100 CFA cost 1 franc. Their teachers are good.
              To date, 1 euro is equal to 655.96 CFA francs, but this does not mean French insidiousness but the state of the economy of countries where CFA is in circulation.
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      2. Revolver
        Revolver 21 August 2019 20: 22
        +4
        As Churchill's chief military adviser Lord Ismay (1st Baron Ismay) said about NATO’s mission, it’s “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.”
        I can’t translate as gracefully, but still I’ll try: "keep the Americans in [Europe], the Russians outside, and the Germans below (like on your knees or under your boot)."
    4. Catfish
      Catfish 21 August 2019 19: 08
      +2
      Sergei hi , in Africa, the Free French brigade has proven itself very well. During one of Rommel's offensives, when the British lubricated their heels on the "second space", the French brigade kept its strong point surrounded for several days, and withdrew only by direct order, passing through the German lines at night. So there were Soldiers there too.
      1. Alf
        Alf 21 August 2019 22: 00
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        in Africa, the Free French brigade has proven itself very well. During one of Rommel's offensives, when the British lubricated their heels on the "second space", the French brigade kept its strong point surrounded for several days, and withdrew only by direct order, passing through the German lines at night. So there were Soldiers there too.

        And was it part of the Fighting France or the Foreign Legion?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 August 2019 23: 09
          +3
          Precisely Fighting France. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name of the commander. If you are interested, look at A. Patients, in one of the books on tanks, he gives a rather detailed description of the hostilities in North Africa. There was another slightly humorous moment: the newly arrived Australians "did not know that Rommel should be feared" and therefore also preferred not to retreat, but to fight. The British draped.
  3. AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 20 August 2019 05: 46
    +13
    The agreement on "alliance and military assistance", signed in December 1944 by Stalin and de Gaulle, allowed France to be recognized among the victorious states. For France, even occupation zones in Germany and Austria have been set aside. That's, probably, her whole contribution to the victory in WWII.
    1. 72jora72
      72jora72 20 August 2019 08: 45
      +18
      The agreement on "alliance and military assistance", signed in December 1944 by Stalin and de Gaulle, allowed France to be recognized among the victorious states. For France, even occupation zones in Germany and Austria have been set aside. That's, probably, her whole contribution to the victory in WWII.
      French SS Charlemagne became the last defenders of the Reichstag and the Reich Chancellery. During the day of fighting on April 28, of the 108 Soviet tanks that were destroyed, the French Charlemagne destroyed 62. By the way, Berlin was defended to the last by the SS division “Nordland”, its full name is the 1945th volunteer tank-grenadier division of the SS “Nordland”. It was composed mainly of volunteers from Denmark, the Netherlands, and Norway. In May XNUMX, the division included the Danmark and Norge grenadier regiments, and Dutch volunteers were sent to the SS division of the Nederland. Yes, and there were Belgian SS divisions Langemark and Wallonia that also defended the German capital, but the Latvian and Estonian SS legionnaires continued to fight for the Third Reich and already dead Hitler even when the Germans stopped fighting. And now they tell me that Europe fought against fascism wassat
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 August 2019 15: 18
        +6
        Quote: 72jora72
        French SS Charlemagne became the last defenders of the Reichstag and the Reich Chancellery.

        All the SS scum from "civil Europe" fought to the last, not for "European values", they knew that they were not taken prisoner.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 20 August 2019 18: 27
        -3
        Dear not in our interests to detail. .Our ideological opponents immediately put us on the shoulder blades of Vlasov and his ROA. A few tens of thousands of French renegades and 120 thousand (only officially). Soviet renegades
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 21 August 2019 12: 32
          +7
          Dear not in our interests to detail. .Our ideological opponents immediately put us on the shoulder blades of Vlasov and his ROA
          It is in our interests, in our interests, to poke Europeans with their noses, for fascism and Nazism were accepted and approved by the majority of Europeans (and Arabs and Persians as well). Unlike Us, in the United States, Britain, France, etc., fascism was generally a fashionable trend.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 23
      +3
      Quote: AlexVas44
      The agreement on "alliance and military assistance", signed in time on December 1944 by Stalin and de Gaulle

      Stalin understood that after the victory, the allies of the United States and Britain would no longer be allies, but France would become for some time, but after the war it was necessary.
  4. Amurets
    Amurets 20 August 2019 05: 55
    +16
    Therefore, even if the German Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel did not say the words ascribed to him - “Well, have we lost the French too?”
    No, Stalin made France a Great Nation >> .2 December 1944, a unique event took place in Moscow: on Saturday, exactly at noon, a delegation consisting of many officials and generals, headed by V. Molotov, met the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Provisional Government of France, General de Gaulle ...... De Gaulle left the USSR with mixed feelings, but he knew that the trip was justified. And, as history has shown, the general was right: the meeting with Stalin and the signed bilateral document did their job - France, which was recognized as one of the victorious countries, after the defeat of Nazi Germany regained the status of a great power. >> http: // vegchel. ru / index.php? newsid = 18476
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 20 August 2019 09: 13
      -11
      Quote: Amurets
      No, Stalin made France a Great Nation >>

      Stalin himself did not decide such questions. France was made the "winner" in Yalta 1945, at the initiative of Churchill
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 20 August 2019 12: 25
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        Stalin himself did not solve such issues.

        And, as history has shown, the general was right: the meeting with Stalin and the signed bilateral document did their job - France, which was recognized as one of the victorious countries, after the defeat of Nazi Germany regained the status of a great power. >> http: // vegchel. ru / index.php? newsid = 18476
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 20 August 2019 12: 29
          -11
          Quote: Amurets
          And, as history has shown, the general was right: the meeting with Stalin and the signed bilateral document did their job - France, which was recognized as one of the victorious countries, regained the status of a great power after the defeat of Nazi Germany

          Stalin himself did not decide such questions. France was made the "winner" in Yalta 1945 at the initiative and request of Churchill
          http://www.hist.msu.ru/ER/Etext/War_Conf/krim04.htm
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Amurets
      No, Stalin made France a Great Nation.

      Maybe not great, but made a winner. Short memory, forgotten by the French, or forced to forget.
    3. maden.usmanow
      maden.usmanow 21 August 2019 07: 42
      -14
      And without any Stalin, France is a great nation.
      1. Alf
        Alf 21 August 2019 22: 03
        +3
        Quote: maden.usmanow
        And without any Stalin, France is a great nation.

        Dear, write the name of Stalin with a capital letter. If not for his position, your nationality would no longer be there.
  5. Amateur
    Amateur 20 August 2019 06: 11
    +8
    You still forgot
    Saint-Nazaire. It was one of five large submarine bases built by the Third Reich in occupied France.

    There is a memoir of one of the commanders of the Nazi submarines. There is a curious chapter on how the French women from Saint-Nazaire "relaxed" the submariners after the military campaigns.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: Amateur
      Saint-Nazaire. It was one of five large submarine bases built by the Third Reich in occupied France.

      About 4 00 aircraft and 10 00 engines is a lot, but about 52 000 trucks for the Wehrmacht? This is a lot. And for whose victory the French tried so hard, for ours or for the German, the French tried.
  6. Vadim T.
    Vadim T. 20 August 2019 06: 23
    +14
    Yes, the memory of the paddling pool was short. We returned them to big politics, we removed our reputation - better than in the Italian dry cleaning, we recorded the winners, we gave control of a piece of Germany. And for all this they thank us with sanctions.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 20 August 2019 06: 33
      0
      Quote: Vadim T.
      And they thank us now for all this with sanctions.

      Such are they, panimash or tolerant Eurasians wink laughing request
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 20 August 2019 06: 39
        +6
        Quote: Rurikovich
        Quote: Vadim T.
        And they thank us now for all this with sanctions.

        Such are they, panimash or tolerant Eurasians wink laughing request

        Do not judge them severely. There is still, thank God, the intolerant Marie Le Pen !! fellow
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 20 August 2019 06: 43
          +1
          Quote: Phil77
          There is still, thank God, intolerant Marie Le Pen !!

          And where is she now? wink Who dances a girl, he uses it yes What's the use of a twisted grimace like "I don't like this" if it does not affect the process request
          So is Le Pen there, isn’t there - the paddlers will do what they order from the Phashington regional committee yes smile
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 20 August 2019 06: 52
            +3
            A little patience! The girl will show herself.
            1. aba
              aba 20 August 2019 16: 24
              0
              As Nassredin said:
              - Either the shah will die or the donkey will die.
    2. Military Builder
      Military Builder 20 August 2019 08: 43
      +12
      the memory of the paddling pool was short

      not short, but rather, now all of Europe is taking revenge on Russia for the fact that a Soviet soldier destroyed the first European Union
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Vadim T.
      We returned them to big politics

      We returned them to where they began to be called people.
  7. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 20 August 2019 06: 39
    +28
    Held on June 6, 1944 the landing of the Anglo-American forces in Normandy was successful for the Allies, but not for all.
    During the first weeks of hostilities in France, the Wehrmacht soldiers still managed to capture more than 20 thousand American, British and Canadian soldiers.
    The Germans unloaded several thousand captured Americans and British from buses and trucks, drove them down the streets to the Paris station.
    What happened on July 17, 1944 in the center of Paris was not a spectacle.
    French women slapped and spat at American and British soldiers (the French "men" did not lag behind either), while the Germans tried to keep the crowd out of their belts and tried to calm their ardor.
    Most of the French were shape-shifters in this war and lived very comfortably with the Germans side by side in a mild "occupation". A month later, in August 1944, Paris will be liberated by the Allies, and the same Parisians will wave flags at the parade of Anglo-American troops in Paris.https: //picturehistory.livejournal.com/4638144.html
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 20 August 2019 10: 16
      +4
      There are no residents of Paris on the video, three whores (they don’t miss the right word) and one pimp, these are not Parisians, this is Goebels propaganda. hi
      1. alebor
        alebor 20 August 2019 11: 01
        +3
        To be precise, the Italian word puttana in French corresponds to the word: salope. bully
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 20 August 2019 13: 56
        +5
        this is Goebels propaganda
        ,,, there just 600 people passed meters 500.
        ,,, under the leadership of Colonel Schmidke, propaganda staff officer.
        Konventioneller Krieg oder NS-Weltanschauungskrieg?
        Kriegführung und Partisanenbekämpfung in Frankreich 1943 / 44
    2. Oleg Kolsky 051
      Oleg Kolsky 051 20 August 2019 10: 22
      +5
      Thank you I have not seen these frames. And did not even know about this.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 57
      +3
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      Most of the French were shape-shifters in this war and lived very comfortably with the Germans side by side in a mild "occupation"

      Thanks for the video, informative. The first time I feel sorry for the Americans, but ashamed of the French. One would like to call a contraceptive in the plural.
    4. bubalik
      bubalik 20 August 2019 13: 23
      +7
      The 17 of July 1944 of the year in Paris
      ,,, grimaces of fate. On that day, the "Monstrous March" took place, employees of the NKVD and soldiers of the Red Army led columns of German prisoners captured during the liberation of Belarus through the streets and avenues of Moscow.
    5. Doctor
      Doctor 20 August 2019 22: 26
      0
      French women slapped and spat at American and British soldiers (the French "men" did not lag behind either), while the Germans tried to keep the crowd out of their belts and tried to calm their ardor.

      Powerful chronicle. The French need to revise it more often, and the Anglo-Saxons are also useful.
    6. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny 21 August 2019 14: 27
      -1
      Strong! I did not know such a fact. Thank!
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 20 August 2019 07: 17
    +6
    The VO website often writes articles about attempts to rewrite the history of World War II in the West.
    And today's article is from the same series, since the presentation of events in it largely does not correspond to reality. Why take the path that we ourselves reproach?
    The author did this intentionally or out of ignorance - the question is open, but the facts are biased. The facts of cooperation between France and Germany are set out in detail, the rest, except for a derogatory presentation of the history of the Resistance Movement, is somehow left behind.
    Meanwhile, by the end of 1944, Free De Gaulle France had armed forces of about a million in number and fought in Alsace, the Alps and Brittany. By the end of the war in Europe (May 1945), the forces of Free France totaled 1, including seven infantry and three tank divisions that fought in Germany. Where is the author's description of the participation of these formations in hostilities?
    Of course, do not exaggerate the contribution of France to the Victory. But distorting so explicitly is also not necessary.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 20 August 2019 07: 29
      +8
      And one moment. De Tassigny signed the act of unconditional surrender, not as a representative of the victorious country, but as a witness.
      1. Avior
        Avior 20 August 2019 08: 48
        +6
        Not only Tassigny, but Sevez in the first act.

        But it must be borne in mind that the allies separately do not sign the act, from them there was a common signature.
        In the second act, an Englishman, and the Frenchman and American Spaats signed as witnesses.
    2. Avior
      Avior 20 August 2019 08: 36
      +4
      Yes, there are a lot of distortions.
      He writes about prisoners of war who fought for the Germans as citizens of France, and among those who fought against the Germans, he distinguishes ethnic Frenchmen.
      In fact, the Germans forcibly called Volksdeutsche ethnic Germans from the occupied territories, and they fought so and so, although, of course, there were French.
      It would seem easier — write how many French citizens fought against the Germans, and how many questions the issue will be resolved, but this simple way is not for the author.
      1. sivuch
        sivuch 20 August 2019 12: 58
        +2
        But what about those who managed to fight both for and against the Germans?
        1. sivuch
          sivuch 20 August 2019 13: 52
          +2
          Or maybe the minuser comes out of the shade?
          At least I can give an example - Pierre le Gloan
        2. Avior
          Avior 20 August 2019 15: 34
          +2
          So count.
          Vlasov and others somehow consider
          Or a separate category
        3. Alf
          Alf 21 August 2019 22: 07
          +1
          Quote: sivuch
          But what about those who managed to fight both for and against the Germans?

          And this is the most x..bad position, called-political corrupt women.
    3. ccsr
      ccsr 20 August 2019 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      And today's article is from the same series, since the presentation of events in it largely does not correspond to reality .... Why take the path that we ourselves reprove?
      But distorting so explicitly is also not necessary.

      Today's article only raises the question of the genuine participation of French citizens in the war against us, so there is no particular distortion in it. By the way, here are the eyewitness accounts of those days that show how the French pilots fought against us, and not as part of the Normandy-Niemen squadron:
      The first two weeks after the capture of the city, our shelled it from the other side of the strait. They shot at night. The rumble of disruptions bothered, but this shelling did not cause much damage to the city or the Germans. There were no military operations until the autumn of 1943 in Kerch. Our aircraft did not bother. The Germans in the city were significantly reduced. Therefore, they did not come to our billets. True, in the apartment of Uncle Misha, his mother’s brother, two obersts settled: a German and a Frenchman. Both were pilots. Both are tall, the Frenchman has a fiery red color of hair. They occupied the best room in the apartment, with windows facing the street. We, the Slavs, they did not honor with their attention, they passed by, without holding their eyes, arrogant, tall pillars.

      "Kerch on fire"
      Peter Kotelnikov
      https://www.proza.ru/2013/10/20/1325
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 20 August 2019 13: 38
        -5
        Today's article is called On the contribution of France to the Second World War, but it only tells about "the participation of French citizens in the war against us." But what about the rest of the contribution? There is practically nothing about him in the article. Therefore, your testimonies about how the French pilots "fought against us" are interesting, but for the sake of fairness it is necessary to tell how the French pilots fought against the Germans and compare the numbers so that it was not agitation, but a historical article.
        Do not find?
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 20 August 2019 19: 45
          +6
          Quote: Undecim
          But what about the rest of the contribution?

          But is it commensurate with ours in order to put it on one board? Maybe you shouldn’t exaggerate it much - the West, without our participation, is distorting world history so much that we already have to make excuses for our losses.
          As for the role of France in the victory over fascism, I believe that this is more propaganda material than real help to our country.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 20 August 2019 19: 52
            -4
            And who measures it with ours? Give a link to at least one source where the contribution of France to the victory over Germany is commensurate with the contribution to the USSR?
            I repeat once again - the article is called "On the Contribution of France to the Second World War." Not "On the comparison of contributions to the Second World War of the USSR and France."
            But the author practically did not say anything about the contribution of France to the Second World War. That's the whole question. Therefore, I do not understand your pathos about "one board". Where who did it and when can you document it?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 20 August 2019 20: 18
              +5
              Quote: Undecim
              I repeat once again - the article is called "On the Contribution of France to the Second World War." Not "On the comparison of contributions to the Second World War of the USSR and France."

              The author answered you that their contribution to the destruction of Nazism is incommensurable with their participation in the crimes of the Nazis.
              Quote: Undecim
              Therefore, I do not understand your pathos about "one board".

              I also do not understand why you were so fussed with French participation in the victory over fascist Germany, given that until the summer of 1944 nothing was known about their victories.
              Quote: Undecim
              Where who and when did this can documented?

              The author of the article brought you a lot of materials, but you ignore them. Why then do you need mine too, especially since I have already brought you the fact of the participation of the French pilot in the war against the USSR. Do you think he was alone? Where did so many captured French citizens come from, not to mention the fallen French on the Eastern Front.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 20 August 2019 20: 33
                -5
                The "masses of materials" cited by the author are one-sided and tendentious. But we go in circles. It is difficult to debate with a person who has "one thought and he thinks it". Since my goal is not to persuade anyone else, I see no need for further discussion. All the best.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 20 August 2019 21: 06
                  +5
                  Quote: Undecim
                  The "masses of materials" cited by the author are one-sided and tendentious.

                  Your assessment of the materials is also tendentious - you have not really refuted a single statement of the author, but decided that your argumentation is more "true".
                  Quote: Undecim
                  Since my goal is not to convince anyone, I do not see the need for further discussion.

                  Why then undertook to refute the claims of the author of the article, if they did not want to convince anyone?
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 21 August 2019 10: 09
                    +3
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Your assessment of materialsalso tendecious - you are real not refuted not a single statement of the author, but decided that your argumentation is more "true".

                    It’s hard not to agree ....
      2. Avior
        Avior 20 August 2019 15: 36
        -3
        Did they take the French to the Wehrmacht?
        Redheads and Germans are
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 20 August 2019 19: 47
          +4
          Quote: Avior
          Redheads and Germans are

          Chubais is also a red-haired citizen of Russia. Why are you pedaling this?
          1. Avior
            Avior 20 August 2019 20: 02
            -3
            Moreover, it was a Frenchman or a German citizen of France, in the passage.
            It’s very unusual French-Oberst in the Luftwaffe.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 20 August 2019 21: 08
              +7
              Quote: Avior
              It’s very unusual French-Oberst in the Luftwaffe.

              French pilot officers in the Red Army do not surprise you, but did the same officers in the Luftwaffe surprise you?
              1. Avior
                Avior 20 August 2019 21: 58
                -3
                They are surprised.
                The Frenchman was much easier to get into the Waffen SS than to the Wehrmacht. Therefore, I was surprised.
                In the Red Army there was no selection by nationality, so there is nothing surprising.
                And even then, as I understand it, we are talking about Normandy-Neman, there was a special solution.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 21 August 2019 11: 10
                  +3
                  Quote: Avior
                  The Frenchman was much easier to get into the Waffen SS than to the Wehrmacht.

                  I think that the loss of flight personnel by the middle of the war forced the Germans to pay attention to professional pilots from other countries - this is still a piece of goods and they need a special approach, because their preparation requires a long time.
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 August 2019 10: 02
      +5
      Quote: Undecim
      And today's article is from the same series, since the presentation of events in it is largely a reality does not match.

      List WHICH of the facts stated in the article do not correspond to reality. If you can, of course. But you can’t.
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 21 August 2019 14: 32
        -1
        As an artistic touch to the article: A few years ago on the Internet I watched a film for a French woman who helped the Resistance. But as it turned out, her son worked for the Gestapo. The ending is very strong.
    5. naidas
      naidas 22 August 2019 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      by the end of 1944, Free France de Gaulle had armed forces of about a million in number and fought in Alsace, the Alps and Brittany

      According to the French historian Jean-Francois Murachchol, a specialist in the history of the French Movement:
      for the summer of 1943. 73300 people: of them
      50000 served in the ground forces;
      12500 in the navy;
      3200 in the air force;
      5700 in reserve;
      1900 at the headquarters of the local committees for the liberation of France.
      According to the national composition, the division was as follows: 39300 people were French, 30 thousand were from French colonies (mainly French-speaking Africans), and 3800 people were foreigners by origin (this includes soldiers of the Foreign Legion).
      Quote: Undecim
      By the end of the war in Europe (May 1945), the forces of Free France totaled 1, including seven infantry and three tank divisions that fought in Germany. Where is the author's description of the participation of these formations in hostilities?

      If you are fighting in Germany and Austria. The army consisted of the following units (consisted mainly of Maghreb Arabs and blacks):
      1st French Free Infantry Division
      1-I Panzer Division
      2-I Panzer Division
      2nd Moroccan Infantry Division
      3rd Algerian Infantry Division
      4th Moroccan Mountain Division
      5-I Panzer Division
      9th Colonial Infantry Division
      Gumiera (four groups equated to one brigade)
      I suppose about blacks and Arabs in the ranks of the French resistance in the next article.
  9. BAI
    BAI 20 August 2019 08: 55
    +2
    Well, so you can fight:

    1. Revolver
      Revolver 22 August 2019 20: 16
      0
      I wonder where the Frenchman (standing, rightmost in a spectacularly unbuttoned shirt) Mosin carbine? For others it is clear - German Mausers 98k.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 22 August 2019 20: 33
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        I wonder where the Frenchman (standing, rightmost in a spectacularly unbuttoned shirt) Mosin carbine?

        From World War I, from our Russian corps remained.
  10. bubalik
    bubalik 20 August 2019 08: 57
    +3
    ,,, the USSR and France supported the entire war of relations.

  11. KCA
    KCA 20 August 2019 09: 21
    +14
    I read about the "unparalleled feat" of the French resistance - they cut the power cables of the Eiffel Tower so that Hitler could not climb the elevator and inspect the defeated Paris from the tower, well, the Germans are stupid, they could not restore the cable, akin to the French feats of the workers of Czechoslovakia - everyone, as one, went to the factories to collect equipment for the needs of the Wehrmacht, but in protest against the occupation, a pin was inserted into the lapel of his jacket, thereby causing irreparable damage to the enemy.
  12. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 20 August 2019 09: 48
    0
    Without a single shot, the French surrendered their country to the Third Reich. Under the pretext of not filling the country with the ruins of war. And now, they are trying to impose a different view on their heroic contribution to the SECOND WORLD WAR. Yes, they had partisan detachments that fought with the Germans, but it was a meager contribution to put them now on a par with those countries that made a significant defeat and contribution to WWII.
  13. Operator
    Operator 20 August 2019 10: 05
    -6
    France is a full ally of the Third Reich in World War II, imitating the fighting in the 1939-40 year.

    The fact that France at the end of 1944 sided with the countries of the Anti-Hitler coalition speaks only of the national tradition of the French: "To betray in time is to foresee" (C).

    France demonstrates the same thing all the way in relation to NATO allies bully
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  15. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 August 2019 12: 10
    +4
    The former Soviet prisoners of war fought most fiercely, forming the basis of numerous guerrilla groups named after the heroes of the Civil War, Soviet cities. So, the detachment "Stalingrad" was commanded by Lieutenant Georgy Ponomarev. France still remembers the names of George Kitaev and Fedor Kozhemyakin, Nadezhda Lisovets and other heroic Soviet soldiers.
    Here you can clearly see the Russian trace, not the one you invent "with the whole civilized world." It was in France that our people fought, fought for our and your freedom, but for some reason gentlemen, the French are now trying not to remember this. Although the people of France remember our heroes, as we remember "Normandie-Niemen".
    1. Alf
      Alf 21 August 2019 22: 12
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      as we remember "Normandie-Niemen".

      Although after the war, in Vietnam, Normandy fought beautifully with our Van-Yu-Shin and Li-Si-Qing.
      On October 29, 1949, the regiment was transferred to Saigon (Vietnam), where for two years he participated in the Indochina War. It carried out 4 977 sorties (6 900 flight hours). For military operations in Vietnam, the regiment was awarded the Military Cross of foreign theaters of operations and the honorary banner of the French Republic [7] [8].
  16. Denis Medveezhikoff
    Denis Medveezhikoff 20 August 2019 12: 13
    -9
    Umm. As if in Germany there were National Socialists. And the Nazis are Italy. And if fascism does not allow us to sleep like that, then we in the Federation live with it.
  17. iouris
    iouris 20 August 2019 13: 49
    +6
    Yes, they defeated us too. And forced to pay. By the way, it’s high time to justify the amount of financial compensation for the consequences of the participation of French collaborators in the war against the USSR on the side of Nazi Germany.
  18. kalibr
    kalibr 20 August 2019 13: 52
    0
    Quote: SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    Without a single shot, the French surrendered their country to the Third Reich.

    So without a single one?
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 August 2019 01: 13
      0
      He heard something about it. smile
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 August 2019 09: 59
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      So without a single one?

      There were those who fought, at least St. Exepury and who died.
  19. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 20 August 2019 15: 03
    -2
    And as a respected author will comment on this:
    The flooding of the French fleet in Toulon - an event of World War II, which occurred in the early morning of November 27, 1942. The fleet was flooded by order of the Admiralty of the Vichy regime in order to avoid Nazi Germany seizing ships on the raid of the Toulon naval base

    Behold, Operation Leela
    The purpose of Operation Leela was to capture the unharmed ships of the French fleet, stationed at the naval base of Toulon. The operation was carried out by the 7th tank division of the Wehrmacht, reinforced by units of other divisions.

    Preparation for the operation began on November 19, 1942, on November 27 it was planned to capture Toulon and the French fleet. It was planned that German troops would enter Toulon from the east, capturing Fort Lamalg, which served as the headquarters of the sea prefect adm. A. Stamps, Murillon’s arsenal, telephone and radio centers, as well as from the west, capturing the carrier’s carrier-based base in Saint-Mandri, the main arsenal, coastal fortifications and artillery. Other parts were to capture other buildings, embankments and moorings. German ships cruised near the exit from the harbor, sea mines were laid in order to prevent the French ships from leaving.

    The battle groups entered Toulon at 04:00 on November 27, 1942 and headed towards the harbor, meeting only rare and weak resistance. At 04:30, the Germans occupied Fort Lamalg and arrested the sleeping A. Mark. By 5 a.m., telephone service was disabled. However, the staff officers managed to report the alarm to the head of the arsenal, Rear Admiral Darnon, who, in turn, managed to warn Admiral J. de Labor, aboard the battleship Strasbourg. Labord ordered the ships to prepare for the flooding. At 05:25, German tanks reached the embankment, and a command was sent from Strasbourg to sink the ships.
    The flooding of French ships in Toulon. November 27, 1942.

    A total of 77 ships were sunk. The French lost 3 battleships (flagship “Strasbourg”, “Dunkirk” and “Provence”), hydro-carrier “Commandan Test”, 4 heavy and 3 light cruisers, 16 destroyers, 14 destroyers, 15 submarines and many other ships, most of which was flooded or blown up. The Germans captured 4 submarines, 3 destroyers and four dozen small ships, the weapons of many of them were destroyed as a result of sabotage of French sailors.

    Some of the ships did not obey the order of self-flooding and managed to leave the harbor surrounded by Germans: the submarines Kazabyanka and Marsuen reached Algeria, Glorieu - Orana, Iris - Barcelona. The pilot ship Leonor Fresnel also managed to get out of Toulon and reach Algeria.
    For some reason, the sailors did not surrender their ships to them, probably the Germans for this "Gut!" didn't say ...
    1. sivuch
      sivuch 20 August 2019 15: 32
      +6
      Are you sure that this can be called the fight against Nazism?
      And then it was like that.
      Senegalese (Dakar) operation, code name Operation "Menace" (Eng. Operation Menace) - a strategic military operation carried out on September 23-25, 1940 by the joint forces of Great Britain, Australia and Free France against the naval and land forces of Vichy France with the purpose of landing in Dakar Charles de Gaulle.
      The result, I think, you yourself know
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 20 August 2019 17: 05
      +7
      Drowning is easier than going for a breakthrough ...
      And the KBF had not to arrange the "Tallinn Passage", but to flood everything with free grubs in the camp.
      Do you agree?
    3. naidas
      naidas 22 August 2019 23: 45
      0
      Quote: motorized infantryman
      And as a respected author will comment on this:

      After the war, Admiral de Laborde was tried and sentenced to death for treason, but the sentence was changed to life imprisonment. In 1951, after serving six years, he was pardoned by President Oriol under the National Reconciliation Program.
      The Toulon drama indicates that the vast majority of French sailors in 1942 did not want to fight on the side of Great Britain, the USA and the USSR against Germany, but they, with rare exceptions, also did not seek to help Hitler.
  20. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 20 August 2019 16: 08
    +6
    As a result of the war, 23 thousand 136 French citizens who served in various units and divisions of the SS and the Wehrmacht were in Soviet captivity.

    There is one subtle point here, whose name is Alsace and Lorraine. Formally, all immigrants from there were French, but in fact this land has been a challenge prize in Franco-German conflicts for so many years that part of the people who lived there considered themselves French and part Germans. And the local Germans were pretty angry at France, to which the A&L moved according to the results of the WWII.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 20 August 2019 20: 10
      +5
      Quote: Alexey RA
      And the local Germans were pretty angry at France,

      And so they went to kill our people voluntarily?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 20 August 2019 20: 18
        +2
        Quote: ccsr
        And so they went to kill our people voluntarily?

        And so they went to the German army. And where they got further - one OKH knows.
        By the way, they also came under the call - Guy Zayer (Mumin) is an example of this.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 August 2019 10: 26
      0
      Quote: Alexey RA
      And the local Germans were pretty angry at France, to which the A&L passed according to the results of the WWII

      Angry at France, but fought against the USSR. Of course, there were many of them, Germans and half-breeds, if anyone has read the book Sayer Guy "The Last Soldier" there he is just writing about himself German mother, French father. From the age of 16 he fought in the Great Germany label. But they are still Germans, for whom they went to fight, well, it is clear that they were not for us.
  21. Doliva63
    Doliva63 20 August 2019 20: 56
    +5
    "Millions of French citizens continued to work properly, to carry out their official duties, as if nothing had happened."
    So for them nothing happened. Just somewhere the owner or main consumer of the results of their labor has changed. But capitalism, as it was, remains so - survive as you can. So they survived. Nothing personal, as they say.
  22. Prokhorov
    Prokhorov 20 August 2019 20: 58
    +2
    France in the XNUMXth century betrayed ALL of its friends and allies
    Algeria, Indochina, Britain, Russia, NATO as a whole, whom else have I forgotten from the list?
    The country of traitors, some show off with a beautiful form in the Legion ...
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  24. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 August 2019 04: 02
    +1
    Nationality of Prisoners of War - Total, persons


    The Germans - 2 389 560

    Japanese - 639

    Hungarians - 513

    Romanians - 187

    Austrians - 156 682

    Czechoslovakia - 69 977

    Poles - 60

    Italians - 48

    French - 23

    Yugoslavs - 21

    Moldavians - 14 129

    Chinese - 12 928

    Jews - 10

    Koreans - 7785

    Dutch - 4729

    Mongols - 3608

    Finns - 2377

    Belgians 2010

    Luxembourgers - 1652

    Danes - 457

    Spaniards - 452

    Gypsies - 383

    Norwegians - 101

    Swedes - 72 belay
  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 August 2019 04: 03
    +2
    But the table presented does not reflect the true quantitative and national composition of prisoners. First of all, it does not represent our domestic scum at all, which, either due to acquired idiocy or because of cowardice and cowardice, served the Germans - from Bandera to Vlasov. By the way, they punished them offensively easily.
    1. naidas
      naidas 22 August 2019 23: 48
      0
      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      to Vlasovites

      It’s interesting, seeing in 1941 that about a million of our people went to fertilizers from starvation, would you go to Vlasov or fertilizers? (And the question was that).
  26. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 August 2019 04: 07
    +5
    During the Second World War against the Soviet Union, which had an initial population of just over 190 million people, the European coalition of more than 400 million people fought, and when we were not Russians, but Soviet citizens, we defeated this coalition. request
  27. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 August 2019 04: 15
    +2
    In order to assess the ethnic composition of the whole European bastard, who, hoping for easy prey, climbed up to kill us Soviet and Russian people, I will give a table of that part of the foreign volunteers who guessed to surrender to us in time. Will you delete the lists of this bastard again? Nationality of Prisoners of War - Total, persons


    The Germans - 2 389 560

    Japanese - 639

    Hungarians - 513

    Romanians - 187

    Austrians - 156 682

    Czechoslovakia - 69 977

    Poles - 60

    Italians - 48

    French - 23

    Yugoslavs - 21

    Moldavians - 14 129

    Chinese - 12 928

    Jews - 10

    Koreans - 7785

    Dutch - 4729

    Mongols - 3608

    Finns - 2377

    Belgians 2010

    Luxembourgers - 1652

    Danes - 457

    Spaniards - 452

    Gypsies - 383

    Norwegians - 101

    Swedes - 72
  28. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 August 2019 04: 26
    +4
    This table, first published in late 1990, should be repeated for the following reasons. After the accession of "democracy" to the USSR, the table is continuously "improved" in terms of "line enlargement". As a result, in “serious” books of “professional historians” on the theme of war, say, in the statistical collection “Russia and the USSR in the wars of the XNUMXth century” or in the reference book “World of Russian History”, the data in this table are distorted. Some nationalities disappeared from it. First of all, the Jews disappeared, whom, as you can see from the original table, Hitler served as many as the Finns and the Dutch combined. And I, for example, do not see why we should discard Jewish couplets from this Hitler song. By the way, today the Poles are trying to push the Jews out of the post of “the main victims of the Second World War”, and there are more of them in the lists of prisoners than the Italians who officially and really fought with us.
    1. Warrior with machine gun
      Warrior with machine gun 21 August 2019 20: 34
      0
      would you even write that you quote a book))
  29. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 21 August 2019 07: 04
    +3
    The 33rd SS Grenadier Division Charlemagne (1st French) was defeated in 44 in Pomerania.
    The 11th Volunteer SS Panzer Grenadier Division Nordland and the Jeanne D'Arc Brigade were defeated near Berlin.
    The French volunteer legion (638 Wehrmacht infantry regiment) was noted on the Eastern Front in 41 near Moscow.
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  31. Skipper2050
    Skipper2050 21 August 2019 08: 55
    +1
    Interesting data and article.
  32. aleksandaravin
    aleksandaravin 21 August 2019 12: 00
    +1
    Do you know My Lord, who saved Marshal Pathen from the Shameful Execution through the Guillotine, unlike Laval (his premiere)? Pathen had a student since the year 1920. Tankman. He fought against Us together with the Poles (the Fourth Campaign of the Entente). erected work on this Subject, which remained little known, current because he composed something stronger than Guderian. In general, from the Captain, grew up by 1940 to the Brigadier General. Pathen dragged Him by the Ears and kicked him Up! And then in 1940 he said to Him "We lost the War and France must be saved! You blow to England, to Churchill, and I will be disgraced forever, because I will go and kiss the Claws of the Next Deputy of the Prince of Darkness!" Well, the Apprentice was grateful, and saved the Marshal from the Shameful Death through the Guillotine! The surname of the Pupil, I think you have figured out! Heels His Surname! And there was nothing indecent here (then)!
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  34. Altai72
    Altai72 21 August 2019 16: 20
    +4
    Who removes my comments? Can you give an explanation? Why are my comments on the French resistance and resistance hero Ahmed Dzhabrailova deleted? Can anyone answer? And then doubts about objectivity in VO overwhelm me.

  35. Altai72
    Altai72 21 August 2019 16: 53
    +1
    An article about Ahmed Dzhabrailov on Military Review dated May 25, 2013 entitled: "Azerbaijani partisan Ahmed Michel Jabrayilov, Hero of France, Knight of the Order of the Legion of Honor."
    https://topwar.ru/27926-azerbaydzhanskiy-partizan-ahmed-mishel-dzhebrailov-geroy-francii-kavaler-ordena-pochetnogo-legion.html
  36. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 21 August 2019 17: 54
    0
    It’s high time to bring the frogs - muffins to clean water!
  37. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 21 August 2019 18: 19
    +3
    An interesting moment from the story of I. S. Turgenev "One-palace Ovsyannikov":
    "In the sleigh sat a fat and ruddy landowner in a wolf's coat.
    “What are you doing there?” he asked the men.
    - And we drown the French, father.
    - AND ! - the landowner objected indifferently and turned away.
  38. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 21 August 2019 18: 40
    0
    I do not know for sure, but in my opinion Stalin insisted that France gain the title of winner.
    1. fermatic
      fermatic 21 August 2019 19: 46
      0
      Stalin did the right thing. At that time, France + de Gaulle, as a relatively independent figure, was useful for the USSR. Do not forget the `` gift '' of the USA - steamers with $ -green cut paper with the requirement to exchange for gold. The USA was lucky to find an alternative - petrodollars, an agreement with the sheikhs of Arabia.
      1. Arkady Kharitonov
        Arkady Kharitonov 21 August 2019 23: 47
        0
        5 colony of the USA as a result of spring 1968 removed de Gaulle. The USSR lost the fight for France outright.
  39. fermatic
    fermatic 21 August 2019 19: 31
    0
    It is curious how many times Hitlerophile historians underestimate the costs of occupied France for the military expenses of the Euroreich. How much of the 81.035 billion Reichsmarks from mid-1940 to March 1944 was received by the Euroreich from France?
    Eurreich squeezed 81,035 billion Reichsmarks (~ $ 32,5 billion) from the occupied territories since 1939 only for `` military spending ''. How many for `` civilians '' is unknown.
    Something not enough Germany squeezed out with SUCH an industrialized (colonial empire) - France. There are photos of workers, then aircraft and tank factories in France that were destroyed by the Allies until the summer of 1944. But for some reason, production is obviously miserable.
  40. nesoglasen
    nesoglasen 21 August 2019 20: 03
    +1
    I think that at the expense of France, at that time Stalin knew better than we do now.
  41. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 21 August 2019 23: 45
    0
    and collaborators Petain and free France de Gaulle is the struggle of Germany and England for influence in the French colonies. If there was an opportunity to resolve this issue by force, then there would be neither Pétain nor de Gaulle.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 22 August 2019 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: Arkady Kharitonov
      and collaborators Petain and free France de Gaulle is the struggle of Germany and England for influence in the French colonies. If there was an opportunity to resolve this issue by force, then there would be neither Pétain nor de Gaulle.

      So Britain decided the issues of the French colonies just by force. The participation of De Gaulle and his people was purely symbolic - everything was decided by the British and colonial units. Britain Needs Syria - Britain invades and occupies Syria. Britain needs Madagascar - and a British assault force lands on the island under the cover of LK and AV. North Africa is needed by the Allies - and Operation Torch begins.

      Yes, there are some colonies - Britain almost occupied the European neutral state. Limes were only a day late - the Germans were the first to get there. Moreover, RN had a chance to intercept the northern airborne group of Germans - but theoretically having a cruising force in time to intercept it could not enter the battle, since the ships were forgotten by the first echelon of the landing.
  42. Arkady Kharitonov
    Arkady Kharitonov 21 August 2019 23: 53
    -2
    France had no chance to stand against Germany. England exported wax from France. France has already lost its tank units and fortifications. America and the USSR did not plan to save France. The draft contingent of France was 2 times less than the German. On good French roads, German mechanized units could easily and quickly maneuver. There was no point in defending the French. For whose sake. For the sake of the British, who framed the French.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 23 August 2019 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: Arkady Kharitonov
      There was no point in defending the French. For whose sake. For the sake of the British, who framed the French.

      Strange, but for whom then did our prisoners of war who were in France fight?
      In the summer of 1942, Soviet prisoner of war Vasily Porik first set foot on French soil.
      .... Vasily conceived something unheard of: to turn the concentration camp into the base of the partisan detachment. For several months there was intense preparatory work. Future partisans were selected one at a time. Since there were many 16-17-year-old guys among them who had not yet served in the army, prisoners of war taught them weapons skills at night. At first, the lessons were purely theoretical, and later, when the French were able to transfer several pistols and a rifle to the camp, practical exercises began. The elder had the right to reward the leading workers for a few hours. Future partisans in two or three met in the forest, and trained in shooting and throwing grenades. At night they dug under the barbed wire, several at once, to overcome the barrier as quickly as possible. Finally, in the autumn of 1943, a new partisan detachment, which took the name of Chapaev and numbered 35 people, made his first sortie. The French liaison brought a machine gun and several machine guns. With this weapon, the Chapaev attacked the German half-battalion, heading from the eastern front to rest in France. Two hundred SS men moved along the night road in several trucks. Partisans from Beaumont killed the commanders in the first and last vehicles with the first shots, and then began firing in panic at the soldiers jumping out of the trucks. After a few minutes of fierce shooting, the partisans melted in the dark, and the Nazis began to count losses. In a five-minute battle, 50 SS soldiers were killed and wounded. Porik’s squad was not even wounded. The Chapaevites hid their weapons in the forest and, diving under the wire, lay down on the bunk in their huts.

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  43. Curly-haired
    Curly-haired 22 August 2019 21: 36
    -3
    I now had the idea where the USSR would have been by the year 43 had it been equal in territory and population to France?
    1. eagle owl
      eagle owl 25 August 2019 04: 10
      +2
      I wonder where the United States would be by 1945, be the whole world against them, from the Nazis to the capitalists, and if 2 world wars swept through their territory, and they would not sit selling weapons to both sides, so that later they would come under the curtain and demand your share of reparations ...
  44. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 August 2019 20: 26
    +2
    Quote: naidas
    It’s interesting, seeing in 1941 that about a million of our people went to fertilizers from starvation, would you go to Vlasov or fertilizers? (And the question was that).
    Kakel? laughing Or a Jew? laughing
  45. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 24 August 2019 08: 49
    0
    that's right .... let the deceitful manipulator posner read
  46. Crazy Art
    Crazy Art 24 August 2019 16: 04
    0
    Quote: War Builder
    not short, but rather, now all of Europe is taking revenge on Russia for the fact that a Soviet soldier destroyed the first European Union

    Taki first ?! Rome is not us ... The Frankish Empire is also not us ... The great Roman empire of the German nation is also not us ... But Napoleon - we, the Crimean War - also came the European Union ... Well and then the third Reich - yes ...
  47. eagle owl
    eagle owl 25 August 2019 04: 05
    0
    In general, filthy countries - France and England. But in WWII, the paddling pools showed themselves completely enchanting. The entire contribution to the war is mobile brothels. And they managed to fight only with the women from these brothels, and then when the other troops of the Germans knocked out. It was then that a "glorious resistance fighter" emerged from each trash heap. Tfu, women ...
  48. Naz
    Naz 9 September 2019 12: 12
    0
    I knew it! All the time I did not like the paddling pool.
  49. Romey
    Romey 22 October 2019 18: 23
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    For that, after the liberation, the valiant French gloriously mocked their own unfortunate women, who, in fact, they themselves laid under the Germans. Sneakily however ...