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For the first time, the MiG-31BM met in a stratospheric conditional battle

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The crews of Russian fighter interceptors were tasked with conducting combat at stratospheric heights. Such problems were solved by the crews of MiG-31БМ aircraft.


For the first time, the MiG-31BM met in a stratospheric conditional battle


For the first time, aircraft of precisely these modifications converged in stratospheric aerial combat. Pacific Fleet Press Service (Pacific fleet) reports that the conditional battle was carried out at altitudes of more than 20 thousand meters. In this case, the speed parameters of the flight were approximately 2,5 thousand km / h.

Exercises to develop options for conducting air combat were performed in the airspace above the Kamchatka Peninsula. On a number of sections of the trajectory, the battle took place actually on the high-altitude ceiling of MiG-31БМ aircraft.

During the maneuvers, the conditional enemy was successfully intercepted. By the way, the MiG-31BM also acted as the enemy. As the departmental press service notes, his tasks included breaking through the air borders of Russia at high speed - in the lower stratospheric layer.

It is particularly worth emphasizing the fact that the search for the intruder was carried out using the on-board means of the MiG-31BM - without involving the capabilities of ground-based systems and air defense systems.

The final stage of the exercises in the stratosphere was the electronic launch of long-range air-to-air missiles.

The department is going to make such training systematic. They will allow pilots to develop the skills of piloting aircraft in the face of opposition from a conventional enemy at high altitudes.
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  1. Siberia 75
    Siberia 75 19 August 2019 10: 42
    +11
    The Yankees are only thinking of creating a stratospheric fighter, and ours have already worked out how to shoot it down
    1. Nycomed
      Nycomed 19 August 2019 10: 50
      +16
      The United States had such a project for a very long time, the North American XF-108 Rapier. It was closed in 1960.
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 19 August 2019 10: 58
        +4
        What is the minus?
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 19 August 2019 11: 18
      +3
      I’m even afraid to imagine how much it costs to prepare a pilot of this class
      1. Nick
        Nick 19 August 2019 13: 12
        -8
        Quote: Clever man
        I’m even afraid to imagine how much it costs to prepare a pilot of this class

        Why are you afraid?
        Also say that this money would be better for pensioners (teachers, kindergartens, doctors) given.
        High-tech equipment cannot be handed over to the cadets of the 1 course of military schools.
      2. faridg7
        faridg7 19 August 2019 13: 50
        +1
        Quote: Clever man
        I’m even afraid to imagine how much it costs to prepare a pilot of this class
        Now imagine that it’s all down the drain because of the stupidity of leadership. Pilots are increasingly leaving or thinking about leaving the Air Force for a civilian,
  2. Nycomed
    Nycomed 19 August 2019 10: 45
    +5
    But this is interesting, but at what distance did they "see" each other?
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 19 August 2019 10: 56
      +9
      But this is interesting, but at what distance did they "see" each other?

      the target is high-speed, high-altitude, perfectly reflecting. Therefore, rather at the maximum Barrier M
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat 19 August 2019 12: 50
        +7
        video for the article:
        1. Nick
          Nick 19 August 2019 13: 15
          +2
          Quote: Nasr
          video for the article:

          Alas, the author of the video gives out wishful thinking. Near space begins at an altitude of 100 km +
    2. Krilovchanin
      Krilovchanin 19 August 2019 10: 56
      +9
      400 km radar allows you to see. And from what distance in this case they saw - but who admits ...
    3. Gray brother
      Gray brother 19 August 2019 12: 03
      +1
      Quote: Nycomed
      and at what distance did they "see" each other?

      It depends on what they used. I think there were various options running around, including interaction with ground-based radars - it's an interceptor after all.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 19 August 2019 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        I think there were various options running around, including interaction with ground-based radars - it's an interceptor after all.

        This time - ourselves, all by ourselves. yes
        It is particularly worth emphasizing the fact that the search for the intruder was carried out using the on-board means of the MiG-31BM - without involving the capabilities of ground-based systems and air defense systems.
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 19 August 2019 10: 45
    +4
    without the support of ground-based air defense / missile defense and, most importantly, systematic training. and with support for ground systems_ 31BM will generally close the border with seven locks.
    1. jjj
      jjj 19 August 2019 10: 54
      +2
      It only bothers me that the pilot was dressed up somehow not in high altitude. Or now they are flying like this without a face mask?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 19 August 2019 11: 00
        -4
        cabins are tight.
        1. Sky strike fighter
          Sky strike fighter 19 August 2019 11: 17
          +4
          A video of the MiG-31 aerial combat appeared in near space.
          https://rg.ru/2019/08/19/reg-dfo/poiavilos-video-vozdushnogo-boia-mig-31-v-blizhnem-kosmose.html
          1. Infinity
            Infinity 19 August 2019 11: 39
            +11
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            in near space.
            hi
            Sorry, I may not know something, but is the generally accepted (in astronautics certainly) space boundary not at an altitude of 100 km (Karmana line). Even in the States where the FAA installed it at an altitude of 80,47 km (50 land miles), an altitude of 20 km is still not enough ... Is it right to talk about space?
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 19 August 2019 11: 46
              +2
              “Forgive me, maybe I don’t know something, but isn’t the generally accepted (in astronautics) boundary of space located at an altitude of 100 km (Karman's line). Even in the States, where the FAA installed it at an altitude of 80,47 km (50 land miles), an altitude of 20 km is still not enough ... Is it correct to talk about space? "
              The table shows flights on an X-15 aircraft to an altitude of more than 50 miles (approx. 80,5 km) [25].

              Flight date Pilot Flight number Airplane number Airplane flight number Maximum speed (km / h) Altitude (m)
              17.07.1962 Robert White 62 3 7 6 167 95 936
              17.01.1963/77/3 Joseph A. Walker 14 5 918 82 814 XNUMX XNUMX
              27.06.1963/87/3 Robert A. Rushworth 20 5 512 86 868 XNUMX XNUMX
              19.07.1963/90/3 Joseph A. Walker 21 5 971 106 009 XNUMX XNUMX
              22.08.1963/91/3 Joseph A. Walker 22 6 106 107 960 XNUMX XNUMX
              29.06.1965/138/3 Joseph H. Engle 44 5 523 85 527 XNUMX XNUMX
              10.08.1965/145/143 Joe Engle 3 (46) 5 713 82 601 XNUMX XNUMX
              28.09.1965/150/3 John B. McKay 49 6 006 90 099 XNUMX XNUMX
              14.10.1965/153/1 Joseph H. Engle 61 5 720 81 229 XNUMX XNUMX
              01.11.1966/174/3 William H. Dana 56 6 035 93 543 XNUMX XNUMX
              17.10.1967/190/3 William J. Knight 64 6 206 85 496 XNUMX XNUMX
              15.11.1967/191/3 Michael J. Adams 65 5 745 81 077 XNUMX XNUMX
              21.08.1968/197/1 William H. Dana 79 5 541 81 534 XNUMX XNUMX

              In the United States, all of these flights are recognized as suborbital manned space flights, and their members are astronauts. According to the rules of the FAI, only two are recognized in the world in which the outer limit of space of 100 km has been exceeded.
              1. Nycomed
                Nycomed 19 August 2019 11: 48
                0
                I beg your pardon, copied from "Vicky", it turned out ugly. For those interested: X-15.
            2. Nick
              Nick 19 August 2019 13: 24
              +4
              Quote: Infinity
              Is it right to talk about space?

              The article is correct. It talks about the stratosphere. The stratosphere begins at an altitude of 11 km and extends to an altitude of 50 km.
              By the way, the height of the MiG-31BM reaches a little more than 20 km.
              1. igorbrsv
                igorbrsv 19 August 2019 13: 56
                +1
                . By the way, the height of the MiG-31BM reaches a little more than 20 km.

                But the record is 36 km. At least he was an absolute champion. Or maybe there is
                1. Nick
                  Nick 19 August 2019 17: 25
                  +5
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  . By the way, the height of the MiG-31BM reaches a little more than 20 km.

                  But the record is 36 km. At least he was an absolute champion. Or maybe there is

                  In any case, it is within the stratosphere. The MiG-31BM will not go into space on its engines since there is no atmosphere in space, the engine will die out without air, and it will lose control for the same reason.
                  1. not main
                    not main 19 August 2019 22: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: Nick
                    without air, the engine will stall

                    I put a plus, but the rumor "cut"! In aviation, engines do not "stall"! But they refuse or stop! In this case, we are talking about stopping the engine.
                    1. Nick
                      Nick 19 August 2019 22: 29
                      +3
                      Quote: non-primary
                      I put a plus, but the rumor "cut"! In aviation, engines do not "stall"! But they refuse or stop! In this case, we are talking about stopping the engine.

                      Be your way.
                      1. not main
                        not main 19 August 2019 22: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: Nick
                        Be your way.

                        Nothing personal! Just professional jargon! I think you have such examples.
                2. Nycomed
                  Nycomed 20 August 2019 00: 16
                  0
                  37650 meters, reached by A.V. Fedotov on a MiG-25M aircraft. But this is a "dynamic ceiling", and a "static" or "theoretical", and even more so, the "practical ceiling" is much lower. Fedotov's record has not yet been broken. good
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 19 August 2019 20: 04
            -3
            Quote: Sky Strike fighter
            MiG-31 aerial combat video in near space.

            baby, space starts at least from the border of 50 miles (80 km). Many scientists believe that above - from 100 km. MiG-31 now climb 80 km? wassat lol
  4. Carib
    Carib 19 August 2019 10: 56
    +1
    Quote: Nycomed
    But this is interesting, but at what distance did they "see" each other?

    Yes, even on a collision course .... Military secret.
    The range of long-range missiles seems to be more than 300, I don’t remember published somewhere.
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 19 August 2019 11: 12
      -5
      The R-33 yes, about 300 km range. But they are not intended to defeat high-speed and maneuverable targets. Their destiny is bombers, transporters, AWACS, tankers. In general, long range shooting is highly questionable in terms of performance. All air battles were conducted at distances up to 100 km
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 19 August 2019 11: 28
        0
        And what then does the MiG-31 "take" the CD? Are you directing other planes? Does he have, in my opinion, such an opportunity?
        1. newcomer
          newcomer 19 August 2019 11: 51
          -1
          Nycomed, MIG31 can be a command post / headquarters (mini AWACS) for MIG29, SU27, it can also control the armament of these vehicles. and the KR knocks the same P33, P33C, P33E.
          1. ugol2
            ugol2 19 August 2019 12: 31
            0
            Quote: newbie
            Nycomed, MIG31 can be a command post / headquarters (mini AWACS) for MIG29, SU27, it can also control the armament of these vehicles. and the KR knocks the same P33, P33C, P33E.

            That is, the MiG-31 can control the weapons of the Su-27 and MiG-29?
            How's that?
            That is, the MiG through the Ch-500 will enter the Drying K-DLA, and that in turn will transfer commands to the Sh-101?
            "PR", and all that remains is to ask for the go-ahead and press the button?
            Or you don't even need to ask, the MiG will do everything by itself, and the pilot will hear Almaz's voice in the headphones - "I authorize the work" ...
            This is something new, however.
            1. NN52
              NN52 19 August 2019 13: 46
              +1
              The APD -518 equipment on Mig 31 only interacts with Mig 31 in the group ...
              With other types (Dryers), when experiments were conducted.
              So he can transmit radar information only to his Mig 31.
              Like now, I don’t know ..
            2. newcomer
              newcomer 19 August 2019 13: 53
              -3
              Angle 2, everything is much simpler. The S800 weapon control system provides, through the APD518 data transmission equipment, an exchange of information about the targets and mutual position of the fighters. and also the 31st has the ability to redirect an already launched missile with MIG28 / SU27.
              1. ugol2
                ugol2 19 August 2019 14: 42
                0
                APD-518 theoretically, of course, can transfer the tactical situation to the 27th or 29th. There are no questions, any summer will confirm. The truth above NN52 unsubscribed, that this is a naked theory.
                But on the control of someone else’s armament ..... This is interesting. I hear it for the first time. So then each radium missile individually adapts to the frequency of the radar after the power is turned on. And then another plane, another type of plane .... and takes control of an already launched rocket ...
                Bullshit. As one director said, I DO NOT believe it!
                1. newcomer
                  newcomer 19 August 2019 18: 53
                  -5
                  Angle 2, for you, everything that your soul desires may seem like bullshit to you. for you are not careful. we repeat for Angle 2 once again: the S800 weapon control system provides APD518 data transmission equipment ...
                  that is why, in mixed groups, it is recommended to put the 31st at the head of the group.
                  1. igorbrsv
                    igorbrsv 19 August 2019 19: 06
                    0
                    Your conversation with "Angle2" is similar to the conversation between the dispatcher and the pilot. It's good that there are people like that here good
                    Because I would also like to know everything myself, and the information field contributes to this. But... recourse
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 19 August 2019 19: 35
                      -4
                      it's only the beginning! Today there are no our aviation bridgeodonts. it's a pity.
                  2. ugol2
                    ugol2 19 August 2019 19: 39
                    0
                    Quote: newbie
                    the C800 weapon control system provides APD518 ... data transmission equipment

                    And why did the phrase end with an ellipsis? Continue, preferably from the RLE, RTE, from the source. laughing

                    What does it provide there? This APD-518, developed in the 70s. Telecode information exchange between the sides, as well as NPU, depending on the given mode. That's what it provides. The distribution of goals involved. But by no means the control of foreign missiles launched. Or do you have other information?
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 20 August 2019 08: 16
                      -4
                      Angle 2, you still deserve your nickname. fed up with my APD518. this unit is part of the C800 system, to display in bold or something, what came of it? in a certain area, the P33 missile can be redirected by an aircraft carrier. thereby, the 31st corrects it through the plane by launching a rocket through the C800 weapon control system, through the APD518 apparatus. it is advisable to read the last sentence three times, it may come.
                      1. ugol2
                        ugol2 20 August 2019 10: 57
                        0
                        Quote: newbie
                        ... fed up with my APD518. this unit is part of the C800 system

                        lol It’s good to make people laugh.

                        Welcome. hi
                        No, I was really interested in what you wrote about arms control.
                        But....
                        Unfortunately, your knowledge is at the level of a junior aviation specialist, and that has been forgotten for 40 years. At the heading level. Instead of specifics on the individual, we turn, we regret that there are no smarter "mastodons" nearby. Now we have moved off the topic, it turns out that now only the R-33 missile is being retargeted (where the Su-27 and where the R-33).
                        Clear. Clear. Be careful. If you are corrected by those who have an order of magnitude higher knowledge, you should not enter into a "scientific debate" with them.
                        Good luck.
                        hi
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 August 2019 14: 00
          -4
          Quote: Nycomed
          And what then does the MiG-31 "take" the CD?

          the same R-33, R-37, as well as R-77
          Quote: Nycomed
          Does other aircraft suggest?

          Avionics, radar
      2. newcomer
        newcomer 19 August 2019 11: 34
        -3
        why? p33 (S / E) hit targets flying at speeds up to 3700km.ch.
        1. Nycomed
          Nycomed 19 August 2019 11: 51
          -1
          "But they are not designed to hit high-speed and maneuverable goals. "
          I mean it, "Axes" are subsonic and maneuverable, aren't they?
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 19 August 2019 12: 01
            -3
            here is the key: low flying. P33 takes them.
            1. Nycomed
              Nycomed 19 August 2019 12: 12
              -1
              And it seems to me - "maneuverable", I understand that the MiG-31 radar detects targets against the background of the earth, there are no questions here. But how to deal with maneuverable? After all, the R-33 has speed, God forbid!
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 19 August 2019 12: 35
                -2
                R33 Rocket tamahawks on a par with UAV 31 can shoot down the whole nomenclature from the arsenal, including the GSh23 cannon with a rate of 10000 rounds / minute. the problem is highly maneuverable hypersonic targets. against them we have the RVV MD, which can be used on the SU57 / 27, MIG31.
              2. Ka-52
                Ka-52 20 August 2019 07: 41
                0
                But how to deal with maneuverability

                do not confuse the maneuverability of manned aircraft capable of performing vigorous anti-ballistic and other maneuvers with maneuvering the aircraft, consisting only in slight changes in the heading angle to adjust the flight route
          2. Grigory_45
            Grigory_45 19 August 2019 14: 01
            -6
            Quote: Nycomed
            "Axes" are subsonic and maneuverable, aren't they?

            subsonic and non-maneuverable. There is no need for KR to perform pirouettes with an overload of several g
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              1. Grigory_45
                Grigory_45 20 August 2019 21: 51
                -4
                Quote: SETSET
                It’s ugly to deliberately write lies!

                do not write a lie)
                1. SETSET
                  SETSET 20 August 2019 22: 40
                  0
                  Grigory_45 (Grigory), it turns out you don’t know how to read? Then learn the Russian language!
        2. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 August 2019 13: 31
          -6
          Quote: newbie
          why? p33 (S / E) hit targets flying at speeds up to 3700km.ch

          R-33 is the Soviet equivalent of the AIM-54A Phoenix. The limiting parameters of the rocket (speed, available overload) are realized in the active section, and not at the maximum parameter. Having overcome 300 km, the rocket is already at the end, its ability to bring down something speedy and maneuverable is reduced to almost zero. This is with any rocket.

          Enemy aircraft maneuvering with 4g overload, the R-33 missile is destroyed with a probability of 0.6-0.8. Those. there is no talk of any firing at fighters.

          Bombers, transporters, AWACS, KR - these are the goals of the R-33. Phoenix was also created to deal with Soviet bombers at the maximum possible distance from the AUG.
          To combat fighters in the arsenal of the MiG-31BM there is a R-77
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 19 August 2019 14: 03
            -4
            Grigory45, we are talking about the R33S rocket, also the R33E (not export. But energy). combined homing parameters.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 01
              -6
              the range of the missile increased, from 120 km for the R-33, 160 km for the R-33S and 300 km for the R-33E. Which does not negate the fact that its use at max. fighter target range - fiction. The maneuverability missile did not, and on the R-33E also the rudder area decreased. Any missile at max range greatly loses in parameters. Because the engine has already turned off, it goes by inertia, and any maneuver, especially an energetic one, is a huge loss of energy. How can a rocket that no longer has enough energy perform energetic maneuvers? They taught physics at school, are you friends with logic?
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 19 August 2019 19: 01
                -4
                well, again twenty five. where does the maximum missile range? not only this has changed, but also the GOS. what is your highly maneuverable goal, can maneuver against the P33S / E? what are you looking for?
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 19 August 2019 20: 12
                  -4
                  in order to hit a target with a high probability, the available missile overload should be greater than the target’s overload. And seriously higher. Now it is clear? R-77, for example, has its own disposable overload of 40g and can hit targets maneuvering with an overload of 12g, with a probability of 0,7.
                  Now we look and think about the goals of the R-33 teeth with its 8g in a modern configuration. Is there a head on your shoulders?
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 20 August 2019 08: 24
                    -4
                    I answer_ everything. 8j overload limit for the pilot, 9,10_ ceiling, fatal. airframes also do not particularly exceed shutter speeds above 10. cr do not know how to make pirouettes of hawks. the fighter has more chances to leave than the cr.
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                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 20 August 2019 22: 07
                      -4
                      And I know something, unlike you. What did you want to say something sickly?
                      1. SETSET
                        SETSET 20 August 2019 22: 35
                        0
                        Gregory_45 (Gregory), you are not sick - you are useless. Learn radar and don’t write about something you don’t know ... You don’t even know how to count.
        3. igorbrsv
          igorbrsv 19 August 2019 19: 11
          +1
          Quote: newbie
          why? p33 (S / E) hit targets flying at speeds up to 3700km.ch.

          The maximum recorded speed of the MiG-25 is 3600km / h. what
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 19 August 2019 19: 31
            -4
            Igor brsv, we will not launch 25.
      3. Sky strike fighter
        Sky strike fighter 19 August 2019 13: 09
        +3
        Quote: Gregory_45
        The R-33 yes, about 300 km range. But they are not intended to defeat high-speed and maneuverable targets. Their destiny is bombers, transporters, AWACS, tankers. In general, long range shooting is highly questionable in terms of performance. All air battles were conducted at distances up to 100 km

        There is other information according to which the R-37M can work on highly maneuverable targets for the ultimate reality.


        Indeed, no one in the world can compete with Russian air-to-air missiles in range. The R-37 rocket, developed in the 90s by Vympel, has a range of 300 km. Moreover. The certificate for the modification of the R-37M says that its range exceeds 300 km. And this has been proven during missile tests. Competitors do not reach 200 km.

        R-37M is armed with an interceptor MiG-31BM. This is also the latest modification of the aircraft, having a combat radius of 750 km and a maximum speed of 3000 km / h. It is also a kind of record-breaking aircraft that has no equal in speed parameters. The addition of the unique characteristics of the aircraft and the missile allows the MiG to intercept any aerodynamic targets on distant approaches. That is, American auxiliary aviation does not present any problem for the Russian interceptor.

        It is also planned to arm the Su-35S and T-50 with this missile, which very soon will cease to be called promising, taking a place in the Russian Air Force.

        The weight of the rocket is 510 kg, the weight of a high-explosive fragmentation warhead is 60 kg. Length - 4,06 m, diameter - 0,38 m. The guidance system is inertial, allowing for radio correction if necessary. At the finish of the flight, the active radar of the GSN is turned on, having a target capture angle of 120 degrees. There are two fuses - contact and fired when approaching the target at the estimated distance. At the final stage, the speed reaches 5 M. The missile is capable of destroying targets maneuvering with an acceleration of 10g. That is, to dodge the R-37M is extremely difficult even for the F-22, maneuvering with an acceleration of 9,5g, not to mention the clumsy KC-135 tanker.

        The height of the targets hit is 25 km.

        https://svpressa.ru/war21/article/173573/
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 19 August 2019 13: 38
          -7
          Quote: Sky Strike fighter
          work on highly maneuverable goals to the utmost

          there could only be one rocket - the Storm / Flurry marine universal missile system (because the rocket engine worked all the time, even when flying at maximum range). All other missiles, including R-33 and R-37, burn fuel in the active section, then go by inertia, losing in characteristics.
          P-37 - further development of the P-33. Yes, her range is also 300 km, but max. target overload (when the rocket is in the active area) - no more than 8p. Again, not to fight targets like a fighter.
          1. maximum 8
            maximum 8 19 August 2019 14: 20
            +3
            P-37 - further development of the P-33. Yes, her range is also 300 km, but max. target overload (when the rocket is in the active area) - no more than 8p. Again, not to fight targets like a fighter.

            How can an air-to-air missile not be used to destroy fighters? And why then is it needed? This is something new.
            The long-range missile R-37M is designed to destroy air targets (fighters, attack aircraft, bombers, BTA aircraft, helicopters, cruise missiles), at any time, from all angles, in the REP conditions, against the background of the earth and water surface, including with multi-channel firing on the principle of "let-forget."
            Source: https://testpilot.ru/rossiya/vympel/r-37m/ Testers © www.testpilot.ru
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 19 August 2019 14: 40
              -5
              Quote: maximum 8
              How can an air-to-air missile not be used to destroy fighters? And why then is it needed?

              Are you trying to justify the saying "I look in a book, I see a fig"?
              For those in the tank: the rocket is not sharpened to defeat highly maneuverable targets. What is the target of our fighter, highly maneuverable? In relation to bombers, transporters, etc. - yes. It can hold short-term overload up to 9g, or even higher. Yes, the P-33 can also shoot down a fighter, but with a low probability.

              Is it intelligible now?
        2. Potato
          Potato 19 August 2019 13: 46
          -2
          No p37 missiles in service with the vks.
          1. maximum 8
            maximum 8 19 August 2019 14: 33
            +2
            Quote: Potato
            No p37 missiles in service with the vks.

            Since 2014, the Russian Armed Forces have been armed with the R-37M missile with a range of, in my opinion, 370 km, operating on the principle of fired-and-miss. The Americans themselves recognize its effectiveness when operating at maximum range. And about the inability to work on fighters, this is nonsense. The R-37M destroys maneuvering targets with an overload of 10 g. For the F-22 9,5 g limit, further destruction of the machine. Do not forget that inertia is not only in the R-37M, but also in the F-22, which is incomparably larger due to the much greater weight.
            1. Grigory_45
              Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 13
              -5
              Quote: maximum 8
              R-37M range in my opinion 370 km

              declared range R-37M (RV-BD) - 300 km.

              Quote: maximum 8
              Since 2014, the Russian Armed Forces have been armed with the R-37M missile

              accepted into service. How many released, how many transferred to the videoconferencing?

              Quote: maximum 8
              The Americans themselves recognize its effectiveness when operating at maximum range.

              but many Russian military and scientists talk about the low efficiency of DB missiles, especially when firing at maneuvering targets.
              1. Sky strike fighter
                Sky strike fighter 19 August 2019 15: 46
                0
                but many Russian military and scientists talk about the low efficiency of DB missiles, especially when firing at maneuvering targets.

                Where do you get such data?
                The Ministry of Defense is completing a test of an ultra-long-range R-37M air-to-air missile. It can hit high-speed air targets at ranges of more than 300 km. Accuracy when shooting at such a distance provides a unique aiming system. It includes a modern radar of the fighter itself, an onboard inertial complex and a homing head mounted on the rocket itself, the Izvestia newspaper reports.
                According to the publication, the novelty will be part of the armament of Russian fourth and fifth generation fighters.

                As the Ministry of Defense told Izvestia, final tests of the long-range air-to-air R-37M missile are currently underway. The product is in a high degree of technical readiness.




                Work on the creation of the R-37M was launched in the late 2000s. It was originally planned that the novelty will also go into service only with MiG-31 interceptors. But later it was decided that after completion this munition will also become the main weapon for the fourth-generation Su-30 and Su-35 multipurpose fighters and the promising fifth-generation fighter, the Su-57. To do this, I had to reduce the starting weight and length of the product.
                The performance characteristics of the R-37M are not disclosed. Only the basic parameters are known. Design - made according to the normal aerodynamic design with a wing of small elongation. Range of action - over 300 km. The mass of the rocket is more than 500 kg, the high-explosive fragmentation warhead weighs 60 kg. It is equipped with non-contact active radar and backup contact fuses.

                K-37M can destroy air targets in the opposite direction. After obtaining the coordinates, the inertial system directs the missile toward the object, therefore, on the marching section on the locators, the ammunition “does not glow”. Immediately in front of the target, an active radar homing head (GOS) is turned on. The enemy is able to detect its radiation, but the pilot has a fraction of a second to evade. In the final segment of the flight, the rocket accelerates to hypersonic speed - Mach 6.

                https://vpk-news.ru/news/43569
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 55
                  -4
                  Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                  Where do you get such data?

                  obviously not from the newspaper Izvestia)
                  In addition, you need to be able to not only read, but also understand what you read. And in order to be able to think, analyze and know technical disciplines. You have huge problems with the last positions.
              2. igorbrsv
                igorbrsv 19 August 2019 19: 23
                +2
                10g is a long overload corresponding to the limit of human capabilities. The rocket has no such problems. wassat
                This is not a stone in your garden. Trying to think sensibly
                1. Grigory_45
                  Grigory_45 19 August 2019 19: 52
                  -2
                  Quote: igorbrsv
                  10g is a long overload corresponding to the limit of human capabilities. The rocket has no such problems.

                  a rocket has such an indicator as available overload - an indicator of how vigorous maneuvers it can make. It depends on the speed, the aerodynamic design of the rocket, its mass, the elemental base of the electronics, and much more. Even the type of rudders. Theoretically, yes, as if an unmanned rocket could have 30g (there are products that can hold even more), but this is a feature of each specific rocket, and in a specific area, as a rule, in an active area, when the rocket's energy is maximum. The overload indicator is not only according to the criterion "breaks - not breaks", but also according to the energy capabilities of the rocket.
                  Try how to maneuver on an airplane whose engine has stalled - what will it lead to ?. Is the analogy clear?
                  1. igorbrsv
                    igorbrsv 19 August 2019 20: 23
                    0
                    Not really. But it is as if the designer was talking with the pilot. True, I'm not a constructor. I am pleased to hear the opinions of knowledgeable people.
                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 19 August 2019 20: 42
                      -1
                      maneuvers (changing spatial position) require energy. At the active site, when the rocket engine is still running, it compensates for these losses. When the engine burned out, and the rocket goes by inertia (and this section begins long before reaching the maximum range), there is nothing to compensate for the losses, is it? Gradually located overload of the rocket falls, and the ability to maneuver falls. And, accordingly, it can no longer bring down highly maneuverable goals. The seeker monitors the target, and the rocket’s energy to maneuver is no longer enough. The vast majority of missiles (any national accessories) at max. range capable of knocking out unless slowly and in a straight line flying hippo.
                      1. Fikys
                        Fikys 20 August 2019 10: 25
                        0
                        Quote: Gregory_45
                        When the engine burned out, and the rocket goes by inertia (and this section begins long before reaching the maximum range),

                        As it were, it is not necessary to maneuver actively the rocket in this section, it is also possible to fly inertia in a straight line (almost). And here
                        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
                        Immediately before the target, an active homing radar is turned on and the rocket accelerates to a hypersonic speed of Mach 6.

                        Those. the rocket has one more (second / third) engine stage, and it has no problems with energy for maneuvers in the final section of the trajectory. Do you think such a decision is unbelievable?
                      2. Grigory_45
                        Grigory_45 20 August 2019 12: 32
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                        Quote: Fikys
                        Those. the rocket has another (second / third) engine stage

                        there is none. You are completely unfamiliar with the design of the rocket in question. On it (R-33 and R-37) is a dual-mode solid propellant engine, it provides starting acceleration and cruising speed. There is no acceleration in front of the target and cannot be.
                        Enlighten about the operating time of the rocket engine and the flight time at max range, and stop writing nonsense - it tires you (do you write it yourself, or do you use the services of science fiction writers?).

                        Ignorance is not vice, vice is persistence in ignorance.
                      3. Fikys
                        Fikys 21 August 2019 07: 26
                        0
                        Nonsense - this is a missile that is not capable of hitting real targets at the declared range, but what I wrote is a normal engineering decision. If you are aware of the design of these missiles, give its diagram or the corresponding link, and do not build yourself a "sun-weary" know-it-all.
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                    1. Grigory_45
                      Grigory_45 20 August 2019 22: 10
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                      You are not at all in the subject of discussion. Dot. I won’t even explain why, because you don’t understand. If they understood, they would understand before writing all their idiotic comments.
                      1. SETSET
                        SETSET 20 August 2019 22: 31
                        0
                        It’s you not only not in the topic of condemnation, but just an illiterate strategist. Learn materiel and do not write your own tales! Your comments are just babbling ...
                      2. SETSET
                        SETSET 20 August 2019 22: 47
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                        Oppiska-discussion.
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  5. Fedorov
    Fedorov 19 August 2019 10: 57
    +4
    There are no rivals there either in speed or in height .. And his mission is to intercept cruise missiles and bomb carriers. But well done - you have to be ready, and not when the cock cranks for a while.
  6. SHIPS
    SHIPS 19 August 2019 10: 59
    +1
    This is probably the pair that drove in the spring?
    And what are the means of attacking the enemy from the stratosphere, except space? Of those in service.
    I’m not talking about domestic X-22s.
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 19 August 2019 11: 00
    +4
    It is particularly worth emphasizing the fact that the search for the intruder was carried out using the on-board means of the MiG-31BM - without involving the capabilities of ground-based systems and air defense systems. Well, here, in any case, there is some guile. At first, ground-based air defense, which has detected a target on the "distant approaches", still gives the interceptor "guidance" to the search area. And only after reaching the target area, the interceptor begins to search for the target using its radar.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 19 August 2019 11: 04
      +1
      The "aiming" of the interceptor to the search area is still first given by ground-based air defense, which has detected a target on "distant approaches"

      knowing HOW our exercises are conducted, I think they did not even need ground air defense there. Most likely, the interceptor was brought to the route of the "probable intruder" in advance.
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 19 August 2019 11: 25
        +3
        Quote: Ka-52
        knowing HOW our teachings are conducted,

        SO, to one degree or another, teachings are being conducted all over the world.
  8. Piramidon
    Piramidon 19 August 2019 11: 26
    +1
    Exercises to develop air combat options were carried out in mid-air over the Kamchatka Peninsula.

    So that the Yankees can better see and they draw conclusions - will it be so with everyone?
  9. Demagogue
    Demagogue 19 August 2019 13: 20
    -4
    In komenty fiction of course one.

    1) Which of the MIG-31 Avax? What are 400 km detection? There is an ancient ordinary radar station, not afar, a little pockmarked. Scanning time is forever. Every 400 km is a parameter in a narrow sector, etc. And even if such a radar detects a target, it will be crushed by interference without any problems.

    2) How to use cruise missiles with this radar is even more interesting. Given that they fly around the relief. Against the background of the earth, this radar will not consider them, especially the latest of radio-absorbing materials.

    Theoretically, if you put it on the 31st afar, then you can use it as an interceptor, but it is not clear who to intercept. Enemy bombers will not come close, they will shoot cr at a distance and leave. Well, or as a carrier for air-to-surface missiles.

    Or maybe they learn to intercept in the stratosphere of the "grays", then everything is logical, but then afar will probably not help them)))
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 19 August 2019 14: 18
      +1
      . The MiG-31 is designed to intercept and destroy air targets at extremely small, small, medium and high altitudes, day and night, in simple and difficult weather conditions, when the enemy uses active and passive radar interference, as well as false thermal targets. A group of four MiG-31 aircraft is capable of controlling airspace with a front length of up to 1100 km.

      . Aircraft AWACS A-50 and MiG-31 can automatically exchange with each other target designation [10]. The MiG-31 can direct air defense systems to the target [11].

      About the radar, too, they don’t seem to write anything bad
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 19 August 2019 15: 20
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        Quote: igorbrsv
        About the radar, too, they don’t seem to write anything bad

        the declared detection range of Zaslon-M radar is up to 400 km for targets with an ESR of 20 sq.m and 200 km for a target with an ESR of 16 sq.m.
        For comparison: EPR of a modern fighter of generation 4+ and above - no more than 3 sq.m. cruise missiles - less than 1 sq.m., stealth - less than 0,1 sq.m.
        It is only a cow of type B-52 that shines like a tree with its almost 90 sq.m.

        Moreover, max. values ​​for all radars indicate a narrow field of view. So your interlocutor is in many ways right.
        1. SETSET
          SETSET 20 August 2019 12: 43
          0
          Quote: Gregory_45
          the declared detection range of Zaslon-M radar is up to 400 km for targets with an ESR of 20 sq.m and 200 km for a target with an ESR of 16 sq.m.
          .
          Horror! Complete ignorance of radar! If the declared target detection range with an image intensifier equal to 20 square. m D =400 km, then the target with an image intensifier equal to 16 square. m will be detected at a distance of D =378,286 km. A goal with an image intensifier equal to
          1 square. m
          will be detected by the "Zaslon-M" radar at a distance of D =189,152 km.
    2. maximum 8
      maximum 8 19 August 2019 14: 58
      +2
      How to use cruise missiles with this radar is even more interesting. Given that they fly around the relief. Against the background of the earth, this radar will not consider them, especially the latest of radio-absorbing materials.

      It can even be a R-27EM. Moreover, even at that time from Soviet Su-33 aircraft. So if you don’t know something, this does not mean that it is not.
      R-27EM. PRODUCT R-27EM [AA-10M. ALAMO]

      Aviation missile system with a long-range air-to-air missile. Modification of the R-27 missile with increased power-to-weight ratio Provides destruction of highly maneuverable aircraft, low-flying helicopters, Tomahawk cruise missiles and Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The head organization is the Moscow GosMKB Vympel. Chief Designer - Gennady Sokolovsky. It was put into service in 1992. The maximum firing range is 170 km. The maximum height of the targets hit is 27 km. Launch weight - 350 kg. The missile length is 4,78 m. The maximum body diameter is 0,26 m. The wingspan is 0,8 m. The warhead weight is 39 kg. Warhead rod-type.

      https://www.arsenal-info.ru/b/book/3877475624/13#lt_51
    3. Sky strike fighter
      Sky strike fighter 19 August 2019 15: 24
      +1
      How to use cruise missiles with this radar is even more interesting. Given that they fly around the relief. Against the background of the earth, this radar will not consider them, especially the latest of radio-absorbing materials.

      Interesting? Then read the article at the link below. You will take possession of the materiel and will not ask such questions. Even in the late Soviet Union, the MiG-31 exercises brought down cruise missiles in practice. This was more than 30 years ago.
      MiG-31 BM is the latest modification of a high-altitude fighter-interceptor, which has no analogues in the world. The MiG-31BM interceptor is part of a missile defense system (ABM), the aircraft takes on the most difficult tasks - the destruction of cruise and ballistic missiles in any altitude range under severe weather conditions, bringing the defense to 100% reliability.

      http://tehnorussia.su/voennaya-tekhnika/25-voennaya-aviatsiya/514-mig-31bm-khozyain-neba
  10. Demagogue
    Demagogue 19 August 2019 19: 33
    -2
    Quote: Sky Strike fighter
    How to use cruise missiles with this radar is even more interesting. Given that they fly around the relief. Against the background of the earth, this radar will not consider them, especially the latest of radio-absorbing materials.

    Interesting? Then read the article at the link below. You will take possession of the materiel and will not ask such questions. Even in the late Soviet Union, the MiG-31 exercises brought down cruise missiles in practice. This was more than 30 years ago.
    MiG-31 BM is the latest modification of a high-altitude fighter-interceptor, which has no analogues in the world. The MiG-31BM interceptor is part of a missile defense system (ABM), the aircraft takes on the most difficult tasks - the destruction of cruise and ballistic missiles in any altitude range under severe weather conditions, bringing the defense to 100% reliability.

    http://tehnorussia.su/voennaya-tekhnika/25-voennaya-aviatsiya/514-mig-31bm-khozyain-neba


    Citizens, get excited))) It is better to look at the same site for news from 2017, where the 31st knocks down on exercises in the stratosphere cr. All is well, but the target is made of cast iron and flies at high altitude. Such a goal, the 31st, should be detected in 150 kilometers (eq. 0,1 or higher), if in version M. Only now, not in 1991, when the 31st radar could, and stealth cr with epr 0,01-0.001 (agm -129), before the suppression of air defense, rather than iron. Who is the smartest and will count how much the figure is blown away? And if you take into account the flight at low altitude? With the detection against the background of the earth with stealth and modern radars with afar puff.
    Advertising Murzilka is great, but you also need to think. Plus I repeat that the radar is the usual one, without afar, that is, in any case, subject to interference. Even if you forget that the ball is round and assume that the conditional 31st found b-400 for 52 km, then the data distortion due to interference will be such that the rocket goes far to the side. In order to level out interference, one needs to get close, get very close. There are already chances, but the trouble is that the bomber will throw off stealth cr and leave long before the rapprochement.
    In general, the car is a good 31st, fast, but without a radar with afar nowhere.
    1. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 19 August 2019 21: 56
      +2
      EPR "stealth fighters" 0,3-0,4 sq.m. The MiG-31 Zaslon radar can see the F-16 no less than one hundred and twenty kilometers away.
      1. Grigory_45
        Grigory_45 20 August 2019 07: 10
        -2
        Quote: igorbrsv
        The MiG-31 Zaslon radar sees the F-16 no less than one hundred and twenty km

        What is an EPR F-16 with suspensions? For Zaslon-M, a detection range of 200 km of a target with an EPR of 16 square meters was announced. meters.
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    2. Ka-52
      Ka-52 20 August 2019 07: 25
      +1
      Demagogue (Andrey) Yesterday, 19:33
      .... And if you take into account the flight at a low altitude? With the detection against the background of the earth with stealth and modern radars with afar puff ...
      Advertising Murzilka is great, but you also need to think. Plus I repeat that the radar is the usual one, without afar, that is, in any case, subject to interference

      stop copying here thought-out extracts from advertising booklets. Truly a nickname in the subject
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  11. Doliva63
    Doliva63 19 August 2019 20: 01
    0
    Quote: Gregory_45
    The R-33 yes, about 300 km range. But they are not intended to defeat high-speed and maneuverable targets. Their destiny is bombers, transporters, AWACS, tankers. In general, long range shooting is highly questionable in terms of performance. All air battles were conducted at distances up to 100 km

    Well, so the MiG-31 at maximum can not be called maneuverable laughing
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 20 August 2019 07: 04
      -3
      Quote: Doliva63
      Well, so the MiG-31 at maximum can not be called maneuverable

      why are you talking about rockets?
      such requirements were not imposed on the aircraft. MiG-31 - interceptor, missile platform. He should not get involved in maneuverable combat, shooting an enemy from a cannon or using a melee firearm - this is not his element. His task is to detect the enemy and shoot missiles from a long-medium range. This rocket should already be fast (to catch) and maneuverable (to hold tenaciously) target.
      But all long-range missiles - as a rule, things are not very maneuverable (heavy, and besides, defeating a maneuvering target with a given probability at a long range is a problem in itself) As a rule, all real long-range missile launches over targets like a fighter ended in nothing. The use of electronic warfare (at least the simplest - dipole reflectors, etc.) and vigorous maneuvering led to disruption of guidance.
      1. Doliva63
        Doliva63 20 August 2019 20: 18
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        Quote: Gregory_45
        Quote: Doliva63
        Well, so the MiG-31 at maximum can not be called maneuverable

        why are you talking about rockets?
        such requirements were not imposed on the aircraft. MiG-31 - interceptor, missile platform. He should not get involved in maneuverable combat, shooting an enemy from a cannon or using a melee firearm - this is not his element. His task is to detect the enemy and shoot missiles from a long-medium range. This rocket should already be fast (to catch) and maneuverable (to hold tenaciously) target.
        But all long-range missiles - as a rule, things are not very maneuverable (heavy, and besides, defeating a maneuvering target with a given probability at a long range is a problem in itself) As a rule, all real long-range missile launches over targets like a fighter ended in nothing. The use of electronic warfare (at least the simplest - dipole reflectors, etc.) and vigorous maneuvering led to disruption of guidance.

        For information about the MiG-31 Mercedes, of course hi laughing
        I wrote this in response to the fact that the successful use of these missiles for maneuvering targets is unrealistic. And the MiG-31, which did not suffer from maneuverability, was the target in the exercises. Is everything right? laughing drinks
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 20 August 2019 22: 00
          -4
          Quote: Doliva63
          And the MiG-31, which did not suffer from maneuverability, was the target in the exercises. Is everything right?

          as if yes. Moreover, the missile launches were electronic - i.e. capture of the target and its retention in a certain period of time at a certain angle. Which does not mean at all that a real rocket would hit a real target.
          In general, such exercises (without real launches), in my opinion, are a kind of fiction. What for pilots, what for air defense calculations. Really the toad presses to spend money on a real target? It will pay off handsomely.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 20 August 2019 22: 06
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            Quote: Gregory_45
            Quote: Doliva63
            And the MiG-31, which did not suffer from maneuverability, was the target in the exercises. Is everything right?

            as if yes. Moreover, the missile launches were electronic - i.e. capture of the target and its retention in a certain period of time at a certain angle. Which does not mean at all that a real rocket would hit a real target.
            In general, such exercises (without real launches), in my opinion, are a kind of fiction. What for pilots, what for air defense calculations. Really the toad presses to spend money on a real target? It will pay off handsomely.

            Well, here we understand each other! drinks
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  12. Demagogue
    Demagogue 19 August 2019 22: 14
    -4
    Quote: igorbrsv
    EPR "stealth fighters" 0,3-0,4 sq.m. The MiG-31 Zaslon radar can see the F-16 no less than one hundred and twenty kilometers away.

    If 0.3 sees beyond 120, then kr with epr 0.01 will see beyond 50 km at altitude and somewhere around 40 off the ground. Oh cr conversation and not about stealth. We do not discuss the probability of detection, we set the maximum EPR, and this is in the opposite courses. Not much. This is the distance subject to ols.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 20 August 2019 07: 32
      0
      If 0.3 sees beyond 120, then kr with epr 0.01 will see beyond 50 km at altitude and somewhere around 40 off the ground. Oh cr conversation and not about stealth. We do not discuss the probability of detection, we set the maximum EPR, and this is in the opposite courses. Not much.

      hahaha laughing what deep reasoning and most importantly conclusions.
  13. Miron
    Miron 20 August 2019 06: 03
    0
    "The department is going to do"
    ***
    The fact that they are going is certainly amazing.
    But even more surprisingly, without these trainings, the agency still stands.
    All normal countries, with fewer hydrocarbons, in which the departments "gathered", have long been rammed with depleted uranium Tomahawks.
  14. Demagogue
    Demagogue 20 August 2019 22: 45
    -2
    Quote: Gregory_45
    Quote: igorbrsv
    The MiG-31 Zaslon radar sees the F-16 no less than one hundred and twenty km

    What is an EPR F-16 with suspensions? For Zaslon-M, a detection range of 200 km of a target with an EPR of 16 square meters was announced. meters.


    And what does the f-16 have to do with it? Talk about cr. And EPR will depend on the number and dimensions of the suspensions and modifications of the f-16. 16 m2 is a lot, no one will simply throw such conspicuous targets into unsuppressed air defense. The first stealth planes, cr and pr are coming and not tseshki. The f-16 caches have an empty epr 1.2, the first had ok 5. And then look at the epr of specific suspensions.
  15. Demagogue
    Demagogue 21 August 2019 00: 19
    -2
    Quote: SETSET
    Demagogue (Andrey), as always, write lies and aren’t tired?
    Quote: Demagogue
    All is well, but the target is made of cast iron and flies at high altitude. The 31st should be tactically detected in 150 kilometers (EPR 0,1 or higher), if in version M.

    For people like you and Gregory_45 (Gregory):
    1. A target with an image intensifier equal to 0,1 sq. m will be detected by the Zaslon-M MiG-31 radar at a distance of D = 106,383 km.
    2. Airplane F-22 (F-35 image intensifier is slightly larger) with image intensifier equal to 0,3 sq. m will be detected by the "Zaslon-M" radar at a distance of D = 139,860 km, given that this detection range is greatly underestimated - there is no accurate data on the Internet and will not be ... But don't write about interference - it's ridiculous to tears. The missiles
    AGM-129 ACM retired in the United States.

    What are you talking about? Do you read what they write? What does the F-22 have to do with it when it comes to intercepting the cr? Manuals require you to insert this information? Can you write then how much f-22 will detect instant-31, for objectivity. EPR mig-31 will be approx 20 m2, f-22 sees a target with an EPR of 1 m2 per 225 km. You don’t even have to count anything.
    On EPR I had it written "0.1 or higher". As a result, I took the figure for about 0.5-0.6 offhand. This is closer to the truth for cast iron.
    Agm-129 removed, true, but they were in service when the barrier has not yet been completely modernized. That is, they practically had no chance to bring them down, and there the nuclear charges went. Hence the example.
    I did not even write that the probability of detecting a radar barrier is given only 0.5 for the announced ranges, and in the rest of the world the standard is 0.9. I didn’t give range to catch-up, and not from the front, where everything is much worse.
    Go through the interference, read the literature. By the way, the Americans had their own analogue of the Mig-31, but they removed it from service due to inefficiency and instead of stupid attempts to modernize conventional radars, they began to make AFAR radars and stealth aircraft. Some also recollect it periodically in connection with the fight against cr)) Why are they giving for a post now?)
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  16. Demagogue
    Demagogue 22 August 2019 14: 13
    -2
    Quote: SETSET
    Demagogue (Andrey), as always, justify your account, write nonsense, and then begin to get out and write nonsense again. From your statements it is clear - where are you from. The training manual is about you, the same thing from time to time ...
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    All is well, but the target is made of cast iron and flies at high altitude. The 31st should be tactically detected in 150 kilometers (EPR 0,1 or higher), if in version M.

    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    On EPR I had it written "0.1 or higher". As a result, I took the figure for about 0.5-0.6 offhand. This is closer to the truth for cast iron.

    Horror! Learn the basics of radar and the Russian language! Determining the target will be the minimum value of the target’s image intensifier, and not vice versa. Write one, but think another? Yes, strategist. laughing
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    Agm-129 removed, true, but they were in service when the barrier has not yet been completely modernized. That is, they practically had no chance to bring them down, and there the nuclear charges went. Hence the example.

    AGM-129 ACM (Eng. AGM-129 Advanced Cruise Missile) is a high-precision strategic air-to-surface cruise missile developed by General Dynamics in the USA. ACM (Advanced Cruise Missile) were launched in 1983. The aim of the program was to create a strategic high-precision cruise missile of low visibility, which allows destroying targets without entering a carrier aircraft into the enemy’s air defense zone.
    In 1993 the year the missile entered service with the US strategic bombers B-52H (12 KR).
    With 2007 year the missiles are withdrawn from service and more than 200 have already been deposited [5].
    April 24 2012 at the Tinker airbase, the destruction of the last AGM-129A is completed. [6]

    Barrier-M - an improved version that appeared as a result of the development of the modernized interceptor MIG-31M in 1983 year and later MIG-31BM. It features a larger antenna (up to 1,4 m in diameter) and an increased detection range (up to 400 km for targets with an EPR of 20 m²). Tracks up to 24 targets at a time, allows you to aim weapons at 6 targets. В апреле 1994 года tested with the R-37 missile, which hit a target at a distance of 300 km [7].

    Demagogue (Andrey), as always - not true! laughing
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    I did not even write that the probability of detecting a radar barrier is given only 0.5 for the announced ranges, and in the rest of the world the standard is 0.9. I didn’t give range to catch-up, and not from the front, where everything is much worse.

    Demagogue (Andrey), Mig-31 doesn’t fly forward to intercept the target with the rear hemisphere. laughing
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    Plus I repeat that the radar is the usual one, without afar, that is, in any case, subject to interference. Even if you forget that the ball is round and assume that the conditional 31 beyond 400 km b-52, the data distortion due to interference will be such that the rocket goes far to the side. In order to level out interference, one needs to get close, get very close. There are already chances, but the trouble is that the bomber will throw off stealth cr and leave long before the rapprochement.

    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    Go through the interference, read the literature. By the way, the Americans had their own analogue of the Mig-31, but they removed it from service due to inefficiency and instead of stupid attempts to modernize conventional radars, they began to make AFAR radars and stealth aircraft. Some also recollect it periodically in connection with the fight against cr)) Why are they giving for a post now?)

    Horror! And this is written by a person who does not know completely the radio technology and the basics of radar. laughing

    Yes, the bullshit alone from you again, a stream of some squeezes that you can’t even analyze.
    They do not refute everything that I said, but confirm. agm-129 was adopted before the modernization of the screen, it is in your links and I wrote about this. The missile was withdrawn from service due to high cost, there are a lot of other missiles with a service life of at least 2030, cheaper ones. Which MiG-31 also does not bring down, about which the Americans are aware. Therefore, the replacement of this rocket has not yet been planned. A fool doesn’t need a knife ...
    As for the fact that the MiG-31 doesn’t fly backwards - you made my day, had fun from the heart)) You don’t even know that for catch-up purposes the detection range of the screen is much lower than for counter-ones. Connoisseur of radio engineering)) you are apparently not a self-learning bot, forgive the same thing. Autopilot Bot)
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  17. Demagogue
    Demagogue 22 August 2019 14: 32
    -2
    Quote: SETSET
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)
    Quote: SETSET (Eugene)
    Quote: Demagogue (Andrey)

    All is well, but the target is made of cast iron and flies at high altitude. The 31st should be such a target in 150 kilometers (EPR 0,1 or higher) if in version M.

    For people like you and Gregory_45 (Gregory):
    1. Goal with Image intensifier equal to 0,1 sq. m will be detected radar "Zaslon-M" MiG-31 at a distance
    D =106,383 km.
    2. Airplane F-22 (F-35 image intensifier is slightly larger) with image intensifier equal to 0,3 sq. m will be detected by the "Zaslon-M" radar at a distance of D = 139,860 km, given that this detection range is greatly underestimated - there is no accurate data on the Internet and will not be ... But don't write about interference - it's ridiculous to tears. The missiles
    AGM-129 ACM retired in the United States.

    What are you talking about? Do you read what they write? What does the F-22 have to do with it when it comes to intercepting the cr? Manuals require you to insert this information? Can you write then how much f-22 will detect instant-31, for objectivity. EPR mig-31 will be approx 20 m2, f-22 sees a target with an EPR of 1 m2 per 225 km. You don’t even have to count anything.

    Demagogue (Andrey), in general, the conversation was about the MiG-31, its weapons and capabilities, including the defeat of air targets by it. Or is it not in your training manual?
    If, as you write, the F-22 is guaranteed to detect the MiG-31 at a distance of D = 225 km, then it will be able to use its long-range RVV-BD AIM-120 from a launch distance of 180 km, and before approaching at a distance of 180 km, the F-22 will be detected by the "Zaslon-M" or "Zaslon-AM" MiG-31 radar and guaranteed to be shot down by an RVV-BD R-37M missile.
    Do not write your tales further.
    laughing

    And now it’s calculated how the MiG-31 will detect the F-22 for 180 km in the studio please)
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  18. Demagogue
    Demagogue 23 August 2019 10: 00
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    Quote: SETSET
    Demagogue (Andrey), you don’t understand what you wrote ... Then learn Russian, showman!

    Bold is not over yet?
    There will be no calculation, in short)) but I did not wait.
  19. Demagogue
    Demagogue 23 August 2019 10: 10
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    Once again, your links do not prove anything, but you don’t even understand this. I suggest: you had to find information in which year Barrier-M began to be installed in commodity quantities and what kind of modification Mig-31. Instead, you dear bot, litter fragments of pedivics.
    About ZPS and PPS otmaz does not roll, in bold or without. Do not know the basics. And if the Jews were remembered, then it burns with you notably)) with my nationality I really did not guess at all)
    Damage to the image of Russian aviation is done just by people like you. Because of you, the rest of the world thinks that there are fools who don’t understand that Mig-31 is an old lamp slag from the EPR Boeing-737. I’m just for the truth, and you’re lying. Suppose you have such a job, but still.
    In general, a personal ban to you, too stupid bot and too dull.
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