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We trained with plastic AKM - about the Polish-American Survival on the Water maneuvers

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American soldiers, together with members of the Polish Armed Forces, have been trained to overcome water barriers in the ford areas. Attention was drawn to the fact that, before training, the real infantry was "seized" from servicemen weapon and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikovs. They didn’t trust combat weapons?




For better visualization of the “ford” place from the bridge to the shore, two ropes were pulled on small buoys. Between them, a “ford” passed. And it was along this path that the joint Polish-American detachment was supposed to reach the necessary point.

Another stage of training on the basis of the 15th Gizycki mechanized brigade was training in hand-to-hand combat with weapons.



True, plastic machines were again used as a “weapon”. Some of these plastic "toys" hit, others fought back.



After completing the two-day training, the commander of the Polish brigade, Norbert Ivanovsky decided to reward the participants in the “maneuvers” in a peculiar way. As a reward, certificates were printed on the printer, which were distributed to the military - so as not to get wet, the certificates were placed in transparent stationery files.



From a statement by Norbert Ivanovsky:
You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.


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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 August 2019 09: 57
    +14
    Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
    Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.
    1. Black_Vatnik
      Black_Vatnik 19 August 2019 10: 05
      +2
      And the shots were imitated by the mouth - pimple pimple.
      - I killed you!
      - No, I shot the first!

      Well, at least some Romanian Kalashoids drove ...
      1. g1washntwn
        g1washntwn 19 August 2019 11: 33
        +6
        Quote: Black_Jacket
        shots mimicked by mouth - pysch pysch.

        And from the bushes, someone invisible buzzed, depicting stealth F-35. laughing
      2. cradle
        cradle 19 August 2019 12: 54
        +2
        not by mouth but by mouth ... corrections important in the anatomy of the Pshetsk soldiers
    2. Victor_B
      Victor_B 19 August 2019 10: 21
      -2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      AKM should be inflatable.

      At the same time, the life jacket will duplicate.
      Over water without vests jumping.
      And where is the safe?
      Ah there he is! Machine!
    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 19 August 2019 12: 16
      +2
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
      Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.

      The plastic world comes in everything, what will happen in 10 years? The teacher, orange vests and buoys? laughing
      1. Nevsky_ZU
        Nevsky_ZU 19 August 2019 12: 25
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
        Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.

        The plastic world comes in everything, what will happen in 10 years? The teacher, orange vests and buoys? laughing

        Although in fairness, we are also bending under the consumer society. If you look at the old programs of the 90s, such as "Shock Force", there our military instructors proudly said that our sea divers / scuba divers train in open water, where visibility is worse, there are underwater currents, etc., in contrast to "gentle "Western colleagues who train in pools with clear warm water. Now we have the same thing. Hopefully just for the initial stage and familiarization. It would also be interesting to know if the requirements for the maroon beret have dropped in relation to the XNUMXs and the beginning of the XNUMXs?
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 19 August 2019 17: 10
          0
          Of course they fell. In the 90s and the beginning of the XNUMXs, the "exam en krapovy beret" was mainly taken by the tough "grandfathers" without belts and in slippers. Where now to that "combat readiness" ...
      2. cradle
        cradle 19 August 2019 12: 55
        +2
        and the teacher is inflatable? .. with a mouth?
      3. Pedrodepackes
        Pedrodepackes 19 August 2019 14: 02
        +2
        As a reward, certificates were printed on the printer, which were distributed to the military - so as not to get wet, the certificates were placed in transparent stationery files.
        in short, Zarnitsa was a success!
  2. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 19 August 2019 09: 57
    +2
    How these clowns gathered to fight with us does not understand. Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world
    1. Loess
      Loess 19 August 2019 10: 12
      +16
      Quote: Valerik1337
      give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

      Firstly, not a platoon, but a company, and secondly, a construction battalion is cooler - there such animals serve that they don’t even give them guns ... hi
      1. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 29
        0
        Quote: Less
        and secondly, the construction battalion is cooler - there such animals serve that they don’t even get automatic machines ...

        Well, firstly, they do not "do not give, and even officers do not trust weapons!", And secondly, the construction battalion - they are the VZO i.e. Military construction detachments, died in the "wagon train" in 1992. He himself served there as Nachmed from 1982 to 1986. It was golden time .........................
        1. Loess
          Loess 19 August 2019 12: 37
          0
          Quote: sso-250659
          and secondly, the construction battalion - they are the same

          This is an old joke ...
          1. sso-xnumx
            sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 56
            +1
            Are you telling me this ???
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      1. Fayter2017
        Fayter2017 19 August 2019 11: 55
        +2
        And before that, together with the Russian special forces, they trained in the desert, the Russians even taught local Bedouins to get water in the desert ...
        1. whack
          whack 19 August 2019 12: 28
          +1
          and even the Arabs still cannot understand how the Russians perform the +60 task on the territory of the SAR from May to August. after all, from 11 a.m. to 15 p.m. local time, they practically do not conduct an offensive because the heat is unbearable.
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 August 2019 11: 01
      -1
      Valerik1337 (Valera) Today, 09: 57
      +2
      How these clowns gathered to fight with us does not understand. Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

      As if yes, the Internet confirms this fact, but it was a company. Although, I believe, the airborne platoon is capable of such a thing !, that even the Merikatos general does not know the special forces.
      Let me mouththe Russian paratroopers and I will put the world on its knees. Tim Hake, US Special Forces General
      News. Developments. Data
    4. Angelica
      Angelica 19 August 2019 12: 41
      0
      Once a US special forces general said ....

      There is nothing new in this.
      Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov said that all his victories were thanks to the Russian miraculous heroes.
    5. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: Valerik1337
      Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

      And here is what UNCLE VASYA HIMSELF said about his “sons”: “These guys in blue berets cannot be broken, morally and physically scared. Even though I am 68, I’ll go anywhere with them. Let's take over Europe. It's a pity that they only served for 2 years, otherwise I would have made real thugs out of them. "
    6. cradle
      cradle 19 August 2019 12: 55
      0
      enough of a platoon of construction workers would have been.
  3. dik-nsk
    dik-nsk 19 August 2019 09: 57
    0
    well, and that - economically, suddenly drown / break the machine, and so the toys were used, they reported on the training, mastered the budget))
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 19 August 2019 10: 05
      -3
      Quote: dik-nsk
      well, and that - economically, suddenly drown / break the machine, and so the toys were used, they reported on the training, mastered the budget))
      No, the guys took the matter seriously.
      Quote: dik-nsk
      For better visualization of the “ford” place from the bridge to the shore, two ropes were pulled on small buoys. Between them, a “ford” passed.
      The fighters could swim with their heads.
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 19 August 2019 11: 30
        +1
        To blame, joked not well, did not put a smiley face.
        1. Elysium
          Elysium 19 August 2019 12: 19
          0
          Not everyone understands sarcasm. fellow
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 19 August 2019 10: 10
      0
      Quote: dik-nsk
      well, and that - economically, suddenly sinks / breaks the machine

      )))
      Military-historical reconstruction of the so-called. A miracle on the Vistula - one of the key battles of the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921, which the Poles won, what the Tvards are doing there, I don't know, but nevertheless:

      They tried to pull it out with a truck, but for some reason it didn’t work out lol
      1. svp67
        svp67 19 August 2019 10: 18
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        what is "Tward" doing there, I don't know

        What, what ... sitting in the canal ... up to the most caterpillar shelves and trying to get out. How well he demonstrates Poland itself. By their "skillful actions" they drove themselves "into a pit", fluttering there, "driving a wave" that floods them, and they are offended ... "How is this their for sho?"
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 19 August 2019 10: 31
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Themselves by "skillful actions" drove "into the pit", flutter there, "drive the wave"

          And trying to pull themselves by the ears.
      2. Alexander I
        Alexander I 19 August 2019 10: 19
        0
        I think I would go out with a log
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 19 August 2019 10: 24
          +1
          Quote: AlexanderI
          I think I would go out with a log

          Figs knows - he sat there for three days. And they decommunized the log.
        2. svp67
          svp67 19 August 2019 21: 27
          0
          Quote: AlexanderI
          I think I would go out with a log

          Well it is necessary to climb into the mud, but this is not a gentleman’s business
      3. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 19 August 2019 10: 21
        0
        And as a mechanic he holds a little water with his finger so that he doesn’t get inside ..
        The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)
        1. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 47
          0
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)

          I suppose he also said: "Go away, you nasty ....."
        2. svp67
          svp67 19 August 2019 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)

          Pan ... nobleman.
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        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 19 August 2019 11: 42
          +1
          Quote: Chokeberry
          This is also probably stupid Poles.

          Of course not, they have something to pull it out - obviously people are smart.
    3. svp67
      svp67 19 August 2019 10: 21
      +3
      Quote: dik-nsk
      Well, and that - economically,

      That's right, so in these "survival" exercises, American rifles would not be the first to "survive"
  4. Nycomed
    Nycomed 19 August 2019 10: 12
    +1
    Next time give the Poles slingshots and flippers. lol
    1. Sayan
      Sayan 19 August 2019 12: 13
      +3
      You can’t slingshot them, your eyes hurt yourself))))
      1. Nycomed
        Nycomed 19 August 2019 12: 19
        +2
        By the way, yes, I didn’t think about it. And for one, take all carbide. And then again they will blame Russia! fool
  5. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 19 August 2019 10: 18
    +3
    They also hung buoys .. Insanity.
    1. Waltasar
      Waltasar 19 August 2019 11: 45
      +1
      If you look closely, you can see that they are also barefoot.
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 19 August 2019 10: 19
    +7
    And what is funny? Quite a reasonable organization of training. The costs are penny, and there is no risk of losing military weapons during the training process due to the inexperience of a young fighter. Nobody laughs at the processes of teaching knife fighting with the help of dummies, and not with army knives, or at teaching the skills of medical assistance on the battlefield using dummies, and not real "test subjects" ... There are many examples, if you wish. They learned to wade through a water obstacle with mock-ups of weapons, then they will not make "childish" mistakes in real forcing. They have the opportunity to finance such methods, and the flag is in their hands.
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 19 August 2019 12: 22
      +2
      Write absolutely correctly! I’ll add how they practiced hand-to-hand combat with combat weapons. Refined ... The latches of the stores on four AK-74s broke ... So plastic mockups, and even correctly selected according to their mass, are a very good way to save expensive material from personnel ... About scrap that either breaks or loses is it’s true ...
    2. vredlo
      vredlo 19 August 2019 14: 12
      0
      Well, in fact, the skills of medical care were practiced on experimental subjects, only indirect massage and artificial respiration were used on mannequins, at least in the Khabarovsk medical training
  7. E.S.
    E.S. 19 August 2019 10: 21
    +2
    One forcing was already 207 years ago:
    “Hundreds of lancers galloped after him. It was cold and eerie in the middle and at the rapidity of the current. Lancers clung to each other, fell off their horses, some horses drowned, people drowned, others tried to swim, some on the saddle, some holding on to the mane. They tried swim forward to the other side and, despite the fact that there was a crossing for half a mile, they were proud that they were swimming and drowning in this river under the gaze of a man sitting on a log and not even looking at what they were doing. " (c) L. Tolstoy, War and Peace.
    But there are those who do not understand anything and have not learned anything
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 50
      0
      Quote: E.S.
      But there are those who do not understand anything and have not learned anything
      Reply

      Taki, if they read onet graphs ....
  8. eagle owl
    eagle owl 19 August 2019 10: 23
    +1
    The next step - inflatable Americans will participate in the exercises wink
  9. arane
    arane 19 August 2019 10: 28
    +1
    An article from the series "What to write about?"
    So it happened - nothing
    1. Elysium
      Elysium 19 August 2019 12: 22
      +2
      But what a response to it. lol
  10. Azazelo
    Azazelo 19 August 2019 10: 28
    +1
    They would give a shake immediately and that's all
  11. E.S.
    E.S. 19 August 2019 10: 37
    -2
    Quote: KVU-NSVD
    And what is funny? Quite a reasonable organization of training. The costs are penny, and there is no risk of losing military weapons during the training process due to the inexperience of a young fighter. Nobody laughs at the processes of teaching knife fighting with the help of dummies, and not with army knives, or at teaching the skills of medical assistance on the battlefield using dummies, and not real "test subjects" ... There are many examples, if you wish. They learned to wade through a water obstacle with mock-ups of weapons, then they will not make "childish" mistakes in real forcing. They have the opportunity to finance such methods, and the flag is in their hands.


    There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it. And everyone should have the skill of cleaning and lubricating weapons after such procedures.
    And these glamorous role-playing games began with imitators of the Americans and solely because their trunk channels and chamber are usually not chrome, so extra bathing will quickly kill the weapon even without firing. But some sectarians of democracy are not accustomed to think and can only in the training manual, and therefore monkeys
    1. Siberian 66
      Siberian 66 19 August 2019 12: 29
      +1
      There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it.

      Once in a similar situation, water across the chest, absolutely not a dangerous ford, one fighter of small stature began to drown quietly. Walked, walked, and suddenly, as they say, the wave swept over. From the side it was wildly funny to watch him bounce from the bottom, but plunged 5 centimeters below his lips and bounced again. And he could not breathe with his ears. Rushed over to him of course. Only water breaks turned out very slowly. In short, he threw off his assault rifle and backpack in a panic, began to row with his little hands, of course, stopped slurping. And then we tried to feel the machine for about 20 minutes. It seems that everything was here, within a radius of 5 meters, but they fumbled, fumbled, or dug more than they were looking for ... So, out of the blue, they almost all turned gray. What on the shore the ensign promised to do with us, and what kind of faces he built, I can’t describe ..
  12. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 19 August 2019 10: 38
    +1
    You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.
    Yeah ... if these are difficult conditions for them to survive, then it is understandable why the Poles are ready to maintain additional American forces at their own expense. Progress in training may have been - for the first time, chest-deep in water on a prepared and marked ford, probably not every Pole can. In one word, "Zarnitsa" in the Polish way.
  13. K-50
    K-50 19 August 2019 10: 53
    -1
    American soldiers, together with members of the Polish Armed Forces, have been trained to overcome water barriers in the ford areas.

    Game!!! laughing
    Now there are so many equipment passing through the ford at a depth not accessible to man, especially with equipment, and even floating, that such "tests" can only be carried out with the aim of atoning personnel due to the heat. It no longer carries any combat component.
    So alright, let them bathe. lol
  14. free
    free 19 August 2019 11: 12
    +1
    Aunt (pictured) needs to lose weight, Kalash bent. lol
  15. Undecim
    Undecim 19 August 2019 11: 13
    0
    "... a fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns it and dumps it in mud, the longer he personally will clean and lubricate it."
    And at the same time, the fighter must remember that the legislation of the Russian Federation provides for the liability of servicemen for damage, destruction, loss of military property.
    Article 347 of the Criminal Code. Destruction or negligence of weapons, ammunition or objects
    severe military equipment, shall be punished by a fine of up to five hundred
    minimum wages or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to five months, or by limitation of military service for a period of up to two years,
    either by arrest for up to six months, or by detention in a disciplinary military unit on
    up to two years, or imprisonment for up to two years.
    This is what can happen if a fighter "strongly drowns" his machine gun.
    1. g1washntwn
      g1washntwn 19 August 2019 11: 41
      +3
      They wrote some nonsense. The soldier was ordered - he is obliged to perform, even with his head "into this very" is obliged to dive in full uniform, to dive for the lost machine gun - the entire unit. Another thing is to break the instruction and launch a rocket at the hangar door by negligence.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 19 August 2019 12: 02
        0
        They wrote some nonsense
        I quoted an article of the Criminal Code - the only normative act establishing the criminality and punishability of acts on the territory of the Russian Federation. And your interpretation is nothing more than lyrics.
        1. g1washntwn
          g1washntwn 19 August 2019 12: 38
          0
          Quotes out of place - the trouble of any journalism, and not just lyrics. There is an article. The connection with the real situation is not traced. Personal experience suggests that before this article, most often everything is resolved in a quiet manner, and if it came to court, then something was drowned there larger than a machine gun and it all crawled out into public. In reality, everyone dives until they find, clean, sort and scrub to the state of KA0. Return from Wikipedia to the real world in the end.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 19 August 2019 12: 49
            0
            Zhora, I obviously got into the real world a little earlier than you into the world in general, because I was serving in the Soviet army when such a document as the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated January 13, 1984 "ON THE MATERIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF MILITARY SERVICES FOR DAMAGES" CAUSED TO THE STATE ". And I remember very well how military officials began to demonstrate its fulfillment, deducting from the soldiers the cost of "spoiled" sewn-in trousers and tarpaulin boots, to which a non-statutory heel was fitted.
            Therefore, your personal experience is not a guarantee that the current military officials will not want to repeat the "feats" of their Soviet colleagues.
            See, in order of general development, information on judicial practice on controversial issues arising from the involvement of military personnel in material liability.
            1. g1washntwn
              g1washntwn 19 August 2019 12: 57
              0
              For all these years, monitor judicial practice under article 347 and intuitively review the number of people accused and convicted of it with the fact that in real life even tanks manage to drown in a swamp and machine guns bend without any count. I expect specifics from you, rather than quoting well-known truths.
              1. vredlo
                vredlo 19 August 2019 14: 24
                0
                is that in our park there was a tank (72), while there were no tanks in both divisions of the fleet (household platoon and mortar battery), they stood there for the entire service life, whose at least we didn’t know where did he come from, and since he stood in full view from the guardhouse’s windows, he wasn’t even completely understaffed, and we still didn’t need spare parts from him, since we didn’t put them on the Urals
        2. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 19 August 2019 12: 53
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          I quoted an article of the Criminal Code - the only normative act establishing the criminality and punishability of acts on the territory of the Russian Federation.

          And they, that in the territory of the Russian Federation did the exercises take place? And were the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???
  16. askarkidasov
    askarkidasov 19 August 2019 12: 28
    -1
    As a reward, they had to give these plastic machines.
  17. whack
    whack 19 August 2019 12: 29
    0
    who comes up with this ????? plastic AK ..... gloom just ....
  18. Alexex
    Alexex 19 August 2019 12: 32
    0
    From a statement by Norbert Ivanovsky:
    You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.
    Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
    + still wandering around buoys ... or they are stupid people ... or a propaganda cartoon ..
  19. E.S.
    E.S. 19 August 2019 12: 42
    -2
    Quote: Siberian 66
    There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it.

    Once in a similar situation, water across the chest, absolutely not a dangerous ford, one fighter of small stature began to drown quietly. Walked, walked, and suddenly, as they say, the wave swept over. From the side it was wildly funny to watch him bounce from the bottom, but plunged 5 centimeters below his lips and bounced again. And he could not breathe with his ears. Rushed over to him of course. Only water breaks turned out very slowly. In short, he threw off his assault rifle and backpack in a panic, began to row with his little hands, of course, stopped slurping. And then we tried to feel the machine for about 20 minutes. It seems that everything was here, within a radius of 5 meters, but they fumbled, fumbled, or dug more than they were looking for ... So, out of the blue, they almost all turned gray. What on the shore the ensign promised to do with us, and what kind of faces he built, I can’t describe ..

    They would look for a normal ensign with the entire platoon until they were found. And rightly so, after forcing the water barrier to ford, the unit will enter the battle - a surprise, but the army exists for this purpose approximately - and a soldier without a machine gun is not fit for work.
  20. usr01
    usr01 19 August 2019 13: 52
    -1
    Clowns. With a clown "weapon".
  21. E.S.
    E.S. 19 August 2019 16: 21
    -1
    Quote: Uhu
    The next step - inflatable Americans will participate in the exercises wink

    American women
  22. axiles100682
    axiles100682 19 August 2019 17: 59
    0
    Well, it was necessary to award plastic medals, cups and treat everyone with a plastic cake laughing
  23. Swetly
    Swetly 19 August 2019 19: 04
    0
    Plastic vending machines - paper awards. On the printer. All honorable.
  24. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 19 August 2019 19: 13
    0
    But didn’t you find a plastic copy of the M-16 (or what is now in fashion with the Yankees?) Even here Kalash rules!
  25. vonWolfenstein
    vonWolfenstein 21 August 2019 05: 03
    0
    "Zarnitsa" however. "Have shown good progress" Has shown good progress - written in English-language letters and certificates. - translated literally from English. The translator was not fooled for a long time
  26. Olfred
    Olfred 28 August 2019 16: 42
    0
    The plastic world won, the layout turned out to be stronger (c) Taki, oh oh my defense wassat hi