We trained with plastic AKM - about the Polish-American Survival on the Water maneuvers

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American soldiers, together with members of the Polish Armed Forces, have been trained to overcome water barriers in the ford areas. Attention was drawn to the fact that, before training, the real infantry was "seized" from servicemen weapon and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikovs. They didn’t trust combat weapons?





For better visualization of the “ford” place from the bridge to the shore, two ropes were pulled on small buoys. Between them, a “ford” passed. And it was along this path that the joint Polish-American detachment was supposed to reach the necessary point.

Another stage of training on the basis of the 15th Gizycki mechanized brigade was training in hand-to-hand combat with weapons.



True, plastic machines were again used as a “weapon”. Some of these plastic "toys" hit, others fought back.



After completing the two-day training, the commander of the Polish brigade, Norbert Ivanovsky decided to reward the participants in the “maneuvers” in a peculiar way. As a reward, certificates were printed on the printer, which were distributed to the military - so as not to get wet, the certificates were placed in transparent stationery files.



From a statement by Norbert Ivanovsky:
You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.


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    1. +14
      August 19 2019
      Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
      Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.
      1. +2
        August 19 2019
        And the shots were imitated by the mouth - pimple pimple.
        - I killed you!
        - No, I shot the first!

        Well, at least some Romanian Kalashoids drove ...
        1. +6
          August 19 2019
          Quote: Black_Jacket
          shots mimicked by mouth - pysch pysch.

          And from the bushes, someone invisible buzzed, depicting stealth F-35. laughing
        2. +2
          August 19 2019
          not by mouth but by mouth ... corrections important in the anatomy of the Pshetsk soldiers
      2. -2
        August 19 2019
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        AKM should be inflatable.

        At the same time, the life jacket will duplicate.
        Over water without vests jumping.
        And where is the safe?
        Ah there he is! Machine!
      3. +2
        August 19 2019
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
        Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.

        The plastic world comes in everything, what will happen in 10 years? The teacher, orange vests and buoys? laughing
        1. 0
          August 19 2019
          Quote: Nevsky_ZU
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
          Not a revision. AKM should be inflatable.

          The plastic world comes in everything, what will happen in 10 years? The teacher, orange vests and buoys? laughing

          Although in fairness, we are also bending under the consumer society. If you look at the old programs of the 90s, such as "Shock Force", there our military instructors proudly said that our sea divers / scuba divers train in open water, where visibility is worse, there are underwater currents, etc., in contrast to "gentle "Western colleagues who train in pools with clear warm water. Now we have the same thing. Hopefully just for the initial stage and familiarization. It would also be interesting to know if the requirements for the maroon beret have dropped in relation to the XNUMXs and the beginning of the XNUMXs?
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Of course they fell. In the 90s and the beginning of the XNUMXs, the "exam en krapovy beret" was mainly taken by the tough "grandfathers" without belts and in slippers. Where now to that "combat readiness" ...
        2. +2
          August 19 2019
          and the teacher is inflatable? .. with a mouth?
        3. +2
          August 19 2019
          As a reward, certificates were printed on the printer, which were distributed to the military - so as not to get wet, the certificates were placed in transparent stationery files.
          in short, Zarnitsa was a success!
    2. +2
      August 19 2019
      How these clowns gathered to fight with us does not understand. Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world
      1. +16
        August 19 2019
        Quote: Valerik1337
        give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

        Firstly, not a platoon, but a company, and secondly, a construction battalion is cooler - there such animals serve that they don’t even give them guns ... hi
        1. 0
          August 19 2019
          Quote: Less
          and secondly, the construction battalion is cooler - there such animals serve that they don’t even get automatic machines ...

          Well, firstly, they do not "do not give, and even officers do not trust weapons!", And secondly, the construction battalion - they are the VZO i.e. Military construction detachments, died in the "wagon train" in 1992. He himself served there as Nachmed from 1982 to 1986. It was golden time .........................
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: sso-250659
            and secondly, the construction battalion - they are the same

            This is an old joke ...
            1. +1
              August 19 2019
              Are you telling me this ???
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        1. +2
          August 19 2019
          And before that, together with the Russian special forces, they trained in the desert, the Russians even taught local Bedouins to get water in the desert ...
          1. +1
            August 19 2019
            and even the Arabs still cannot understand how the Russians perform the +60 task on the territory of the SAR from May to August. after all, from 11 a.m. to 15 p.m. local time, they practically do not conduct an offensive because the heat is unbearable.
      3. -1
        August 19 2019
        Valerik1337 (Valera) Today, 09: 57
        +2
        How these clowns gathered to fight with us does not understand. Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

        As if yes, the Internet confirms this fact, but it was a company. Although, I believe, the airborne platoon is capable of such a thing !, that even the Merikatos general does not know the special forces.
        Let me mouththe Russian paratroopers and I will put the world on its knees. Tim Hake, US Special Forces General
        News. Developments. Data
      4. 0
        August 19 2019
        Once a US special forces general said ....

        There is nothing new in this.
        Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov said that all his victories were thanks to the Russian miraculous heroes.
      5. +1
        August 19 2019
        Quote: Valerik1337
        Once the US special forces general said give me a platoon of Russian paratroopers and I will kneel the whole world

        And here is what UNCLE VASYA HIMSELF said about his “sons”: “These guys in blue berets cannot be broken, morally and physically scared. Even though I am 68, I’ll go anywhere with them. Let's take over Europe. It's a pity that they only served for 2 years, otherwise I would have made real thugs out of them. "
      6. 0
        August 19 2019
        enough of a platoon of construction workers would have been.
    3. 0
      August 19 2019
      well, and that - economically, suddenly drown / break the machine, and so the toys were used, they reported on the training, mastered the budget))
      1. -3
        August 19 2019
        Quote: dik-nsk
        well, and that - economically, suddenly drown / break the machine, and so the toys were used, they reported on the training, mastered the budget))
        No, the guys took the matter seriously.
        Quote: dik-nsk
        For better visualization of the “ford” place from the bridge to the shore, two ropes were pulled on small buoys. Between them, a “ford” passed.
        The fighters could swim with their heads.
        1. +1
          August 19 2019
          To blame, joked not well, did not put a smiley face.
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Not everyone understands sarcasm. fellow
      2. 0
        August 19 2019
        Quote: dik-nsk
        well, and that - economically, suddenly sinks / breaks the machine

        )))
        Military-historical reconstruction of the so-called. A miracle on the Vistula - one of the key battles of the Soviet-Polish war of 1919-1921, which the Poles won, what the Tvards are doing there, I don't know, but nevertheless:

        They tried to pull it out with a truck, but for some reason it didn’t work out lol
        1. +1
          August 19 2019
          Quote: Gray Brother
          what is "Tward" doing there, I don't know

          What, what ... sitting in the canal ... up to the most caterpillar shelves and trying to get out. How well he demonstrates Poland itself. By their "skillful actions" they drove themselves "into a pit", fluttering there, "driving a wave" that floods them, and they are offended ... "How is this their for sho?"
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: svp67
            Themselves by "skillful actions" drove "into the pit", flutter there, "drive the wave"

            And trying to pull themselves by the ears.
        2. 0
          August 19 2019
          I think I would go out with a log
          1. +1
            August 19 2019
            Quote: AlexanderI
            I think I would go out with a log

            Figs knows - he sat there for three days. And they decommunized the log.
          2. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: AlexanderI
            I think I would go out with a log

            Well it is necessary to climb into the mud, but this is not a gentleman’s business
        3. 0
          August 19 2019
          And as a mechanic he holds a little water with his finger so that he doesn’t get inside ..
          The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)

            I suppose he also said: "Go away, you nasty ....."
          2. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            The coveted tankman is caught .. :-)

            Pan ... nobleman.
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          1. +1
            August 19 2019
            Quote: Chokeberry
            This is also probably stupid Poles.

            Of course not, they have something to pull it out - obviously people are smart.
      3. +3
        August 19 2019
        Quote: dik-nsk
        Well, and that - economically,

        That's right, so in these "survival" exercises, American rifles would not be the first to "survive"
    4. +1
      August 19 2019
      Next time give the Poles slingshots and flippers. lol
      1. +3
        August 19 2019
        You can’t slingshot them, your eyes hurt yourself))))
        1. +2
          August 19 2019
          By the way, yes, I didn’t think about it. And for one, take all carbide. And then again they will blame Russia! fool
    5. +3
      August 19 2019
      They also hung buoys .. Insanity.
      1. +1
        August 19 2019
        If you look closely, you can see that they are also barefoot.
    6. +7
      August 19 2019
      And what is funny? Quite a reasonable organization of training. The costs are penny, and there is no risk of losing military weapons during the training process due to the inexperience of a young fighter. Nobody laughs at the processes of teaching knife fighting with the help of dummies, and not with army knives, or at teaching the skills of medical assistance on the battlefield using dummies, and not real "test subjects" ... There are many examples, if you wish. They learned to wade through a water obstacle with mock-ups of weapons, then they will not make "childish" mistakes in real forcing. They have the opportunity to finance such methods, and the flag is in their hands.
      1. +2
        August 19 2019
        Write absolutely correctly! I’ll add how they practiced hand-to-hand combat with combat weapons. Refined ... The latches of the stores on four AK-74s broke ... So plastic mockups, and even correctly selected according to their mass, are a very good way to save expensive material from personnel ... About scrap that either breaks or loses is it’s true ...
      2. 0
        August 19 2019
        Well, in fact, the skills of medical care were practiced on experimental subjects, only indirect massage and artificial respiration were used on mannequins, at least in the Khabarovsk medical training
    7. +2
      August 19 2019
      One forcing was already 207 years ago:
      “Hundreds of lancers galloped after him. It was cold and eerie in the middle and at the rapidity of the current. Lancers clung to each other, fell off their horses, some horses drowned, people drowned, others tried to swim, some on the saddle, some holding on to the mane. They tried swim forward to the other side and, despite the fact that there was a crossing for half a mile, they were proud that they were swimming and drowning in this river under the gaze of a man sitting on a log and not even looking at what they were doing. " (c) L. Tolstoy, War and Peace.
      But there are those who do not understand anything and have not learned anything
      1. 0
        August 19 2019
        Quote: E.S.
        But there are those who do not understand anything and have not learned anything
        Reply

        Taki, if they read onet graphs ....
    8. +1
      August 19 2019
      The next step - inflatable Americans will participate in the exercises wink
    9. +1
      August 19 2019
      An article from the series "What to write about?"
      So it happened - nothing
      1. +2
        August 19 2019
        But what a response to it. lol
    10. +1
      August 19 2019
      They would give a shake immediately and that's all
    11. -2
      August 19 2019
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      And what is funny? Quite a reasonable organization of training. The costs are penny, and there is no risk of losing military weapons during the training process due to the inexperience of a young fighter. Nobody laughs at the processes of teaching knife fighting with the help of dummies, and not with army knives, or at teaching the skills of medical assistance on the battlefield using dummies, and not real "test subjects" ... There are many examples, if you wish. They learned to wade through a water obstacle with mock-ups of weapons, then they will not make "childish" mistakes in real forcing. They have the opportunity to finance such methods, and the flag is in their hands.


      There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it. And everyone should have the skill of cleaning and lubricating weapons after such procedures.
      And these glamorous role-playing games began with imitators of the Americans and solely because their trunk channels and chamber are usually not chrome, so extra bathing will quickly kill the weapon even without firing. But some sectarians of democracy are not accustomed to think and can only in the training manual, and therefore monkeys
      1. +1
        August 19 2019
        There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it.

        Once in a similar situation, water across the chest, absolutely not a dangerous ford, one fighter of small stature began to drown quietly. Walked, walked, and suddenly, as they say, the wave swept over. From the side it was wildly funny to watch him bounce from the bottom, but plunged 5 centimeters below his lips and bounced again. And he could not breathe with his ears. Rushed over to him of course. Only water breaks turned out very slowly. In short, he threw off his assault rifle and backpack in a panic, began to row with his little hands, of course, stopped slurping. And then we tried to feel the machine for about 20 minutes. It seems that everything was here, within a radius of 5 meters, but they fumbled, fumbled, or dug more than they were looking for ... So, out of the blue, they almost all turned gray. What on the shore the ensign promised to do with us, and what kind of faces he built, I can’t describe ..
    12. +1
      August 19 2019
      You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.
      Yeah ... if these are difficult conditions for them to survive, then it is understandable why the Poles are ready to maintain additional American forces at their own expense. Progress in training may have been - for the first time, chest-deep in water on a prepared and marked ford, probably not every Pole can. In one word, "Zarnitsa" in the Polish way.
    13. -1
      August 19 2019
      American soldiers, together with members of the Polish Armed Forces, have been trained to overcome water barriers in the ford areas.

      Game!!! laughing
      Now there are so many equipment passing through the ford at a depth not accessible to man, especially with equipment, and even floating, that such "tests" can only be carried out with the aim of atoning personnel due to the heat. It no longer carries any combat component.
      So alright, let them bathe. lol
    14. +1
      August 19 2019
      Aunt (pictured) needs to lose weight, Kalash bent. lol
    15. 0
      August 19 2019
      "... a fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns it and dumps it in mud, the longer he personally will clean and lubricate it."
      And at the same time, the fighter must remember that the legislation of the Russian Federation provides for the liability of servicemen for damage, destruction, loss of military property.
      Article 347 of the Criminal Code. Destruction or negligence of weapons, ammunition or objects
      severe military equipment, shall be punished by a fine of up to five hundred
      minimum wages or in the amount of wages or other income of the convicted person for a period of up to five months, or by limitation of military service for a period of up to two years,
      either by arrest for up to six months, or by detention in a disciplinary military unit on
      up to two years, or imprisonment for up to two years.
      This is what can happen if a fighter "strongly drowns" his machine gun.
      1. +3
        August 19 2019
        They wrote some nonsense. The soldier was ordered - he is obliged to perform, even with his head "into this very" is obliged to dive in full uniform, to dive for the lost machine gun - the entire unit. Another thing is to break the instruction and launch a rocket at the hangar door by negligence.
        1. 0
          August 19 2019
          They wrote some nonsense
          I quoted an article of the Criminal Code - the only normative act establishing the criminality and punishability of acts on the territory of the Russian Federation. And your interpretation is nothing more than lyrics.
          1. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quotes out of place - the trouble of any journalism, and not just lyrics. There is an article. The connection with the real situation is not traced. Personal experience suggests that before this article, most often everything is resolved in a quiet manner, and if it came to court, then something was drowned there larger than a machine gun and it all crawled out into public. In reality, everyone dives until they find, clean, sort and scrub to the state of KA0. Return from Wikipedia to the real world in the end.
            1. 0
              August 19 2019
              Zhora, I obviously got into the real world a little earlier than you into the world in general, because I was serving in the Soviet army when such a document as the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR dated January 13, 1984 "ON THE MATERIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF MILITARY SERVICES FOR DAMAGES" CAUSED TO THE STATE ". And I remember very well how military officials began to demonstrate its fulfillment, deducting from the soldiers the cost of "spoiled" sewn-in trousers and tarpaulin boots, to which a non-statutory heel was fitted.
              Therefore, your personal experience is not a guarantee that the current military officials will not want to repeat the "feats" of their Soviet colleagues.
              See, in order of general development, information on judicial practice on controversial issues arising from the involvement of military personnel in material liability.
              1. 0
                August 19 2019
                For all these years, monitor judicial practice under article 347 and intuitively review the number of people accused and convicted of it with the fact that in real life even tanks manage to drown in a swamp and machine guns bend without any count. I expect specifics from you, rather than quoting well-known truths.
                1. 0
                  August 19 2019
                  is that in our park there was a tank (72), while there were no tanks in both divisions of the fleet (household platoon and mortar battery), they stood there for the entire service life, whose at least we didn’t know where did he come from, and since he stood in full view from the guardhouse’s windows, he wasn’t even completely understaffed, and we still didn’t need spare parts from him, since we didn’t put them on the Urals
          2. 0
            August 19 2019
            Quote: Undecim
            I quoted an article of the Criminal Code - the only normative act establishing the criminality and punishability of acts on the territory of the Russian Federation.

            And they, that in the territory of the Russian Federation did the exercises take place? And were the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???
    16. -1
      August 19 2019
      As a reward, they had to give these plastic machines.
    17. 0
      August 19 2019
      who comes up with this ????? plastic AK ..... gloom just ....
    18. 0
      August 19 2019
      From a statement by Norbert Ivanovsky:
      You have proven yourself in difficult conditions of survival and operations on the water. You have shown progress in learning.
      Attention was drawn to the fact that before training the real small arms were “seized” from the military personnel and handed plastic copies of Kalashnikov rifles. They didn’t trust combat weapons?
      + still wandering around buoys ... or they are stupid people ... or a propaganda cartoon ..
    19. -2
      August 19 2019
      Quote: Siberian 66
      There is nothing right here, the fighter must drag his machine gun and know that the more he drowns him and discharges him in the mud, the longer he will personally clean and lubricate it.

      Once in a similar situation, water across the chest, absolutely not a dangerous ford, one fighter of small stature began to drown quietly. Walked, walked, and suddenly, as they say, the wave swept over. From the side it was wildly funny to watch him bounce from the bottom, but plunged 5 centimeters below his lips and bounced again. And he could not breathe with his ears. Rushed over to him of course. Only water breaks turned out very slowly. In short, he threw off his assault rifle and backpack in a panic, began to row with his little hands, of course, stopped slurping. And then we tried to feel the machine for about 20 minutes. It seems that everything was here, within a radius of 5 meters, but they fumbled, fumbled, or dug more than they were looking for ... So, out of the blue, they almost all turned gray. What on the shore the ensign promised to do with us, and what kind of faces he built, I can’t describe ..

      They would look for a normal ensign with the entire platoon until they were found. And rightly so, after forcing the water barrier to ford, the unit will enter the battle - a surprise, but the army exists for this purpose approximately - and a soldier without a machine gun is not fit for work.
    20. -1
      August 19 2019
      Clowns. With a clown "weapon".
    21. -1
      August 19 2019
      Quote: Uhu
      The next step - inflatable Americans will participate in the exercises wink

      American women
    22. 0
      August 19 2019
      Well, it was necessary to award plastic medals, cups and treat everyone with a plastic cake laughing
    23. 0
      August 19 2019
      Plastic vending machines - paper awards. On the printer. All honorable.
    24. 0
      August 19 2019
      But didn’t you find a plastic copy of the M-16 (or what is now in fashion with the Yankees?) Even here Kalash rules!
    25. 0
      August 21 2019
      "Zarnitsa" however. "Have shown good progress" Has shown good progress - written in English-language letters and certificates. - translated literally from English. The translator was not fooled for a long time
    26. 0
      August 28 2019
      The plastic world won, the layout turned out to be stronger (c) Taki, oh oh my defense wassat hi

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