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No idea - no Russia, or are there options?

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Today, more and more often there are effects of "back to the future", that is, memories of how good things were in the Soviet Union, assessments of the life of today and that of a different plan of comparison.




Let's face it, this makes some sense. It is necessary to compare, especially in the light of the fact that our welfare (I mean the main majority of the inhabitants of Russia, and not the chosen group) is steadily going down. Therefore, they even more often recall the times when life, perhaps, was not so rich, but stable.

Indeed, the one who remembers the old, the eye out, the one who forgets the old, the two out.

In our case, an entire empire, that is, the USSR, came out. We can talk a lot about the fact that all this is the work of external enemies that brought down the oil market and other nonsense. Why stupid things? Because in the world stories there were a lot of examples when countries fell regardless of oil prices, and vice versa, the most severe crisis did not “drop” countries that God himself ordered to fall and convulse. As an example, one Ukraine, if anything, is higher than the roof.

Well, tell me, here the United States dropped oil prices, overexerted the Soviet economy with an arms race, destroyed the Soviet ideology with complex things like "socialism with a human face." And with Cuba it was even worse, there was a total embargo, blockade, and there was no oil in Cuba, but ...

But for some reason, the Cubans, showing the middle finger to the north, survived, but the Soviet Union, where the entire population together pursued Western values, ordered a long life.

Of course, it is possible that fetishes in the form of American jeans, chewing gum and other things in Cuba were better known than in the USSR. Geography…

However, I meant that the point is in the sense. More precisely, in its absence. Lost meaning - lost the country. Gorbachev and Yeltsin, of course, did not reach the Castro brothers in anything.

I do not mean at all the nomenclature of the last Soviet years, as it was they who completely fit themselves into the market. And until now they are sitting head over heels in this market, and they feel so good.

But today in Russia, though slowly, awareness is taking place. The realization that with all this tinsel of numbers, charts, graphs, tables and other brains is becoming increasingly difficult to deceive. We live on opposite sides of the border, and the facts of recent years (especially those performed by those mentioned above) indicate that they have some kind of Russia of their own.

And in this Russia, of course, life is going on. For some, it’s their turn, and for someone it’s just past the consciousness, which already refuses to perceive what is happening around with a certain degree of adequacy.

It is clear that those who tank", Do not give a damn about what is said below. On the ground. All mockery of the program “Visiting a fairy tale”, as they say, past the cash register. Because the cash desk is reliable in the hands of those who take part in this program.

So life is on its own, and departmental reports for the president are on their own ... just like those who collect materials, draw up and put it on the table. Everything is logical.

Why is it logical, because it should be quite the opposite?

And from the lack of that very idea. I said above: there is no idea - there is no country.

Now, in theory, questions like “What should I do?” Should begin to be born in our heads, but this time we’ll take and back off the rules. Well, it's not that the rules, you just usually want readers to draw conclusions for themselves, and so on. But not at this time.

So, why is everything not going where we would like, why are we increasingly looking back at the Soviet past?

No idea. There is no longer any idea in Russia. Absolutely.

Many cleverest people spoke of the need for an Idea. Otto von Bismarck, Adolf Hitler, Charles de Gaulle, Donald Trump in the end.

The simple phrase “I have a clear idea for France” made a very controversial person and General de Gaulle the president. Trump had the phrase “Let's make America great again.” And she made him president.

I am generally silent about Hitler, this is a storehouse of quotes, which are somewhat inappropriate here. But in this case, the main thing is not quotes, but results. And to put Germany and Austria on the ears, and then Hitler succeeded in fooling the heads of all Europe.

But I will give one quote. Very topical.

“People tend to make sacrifices only when they can really expect success, and not when the aimlessness of these victims is obvious.” (Adolf Gitler)

Hint, if he is here, it is purely nominal. A man, no matter what individual representatives say, always needs a life-defining idea, which elementarily gives some progressive movement of life in general and man in particular.

Yes, today consumerism and gearmaking have a very strong influence on this phenomenon, but perhaps (I am sure many will agree with this) in Russia so far it is manifested to a lesser extent. Russian people especially need to see where and understand why they are going. Otherwise, life becomes not life, but existence.

Yes, that’s probably why we held out, unlike our European neighbors, pretty much longer in the struggle for identity.

I have repeatedly spoken about the fact that we need an ideology. Precisely because we are Russian, and we definitely need to understand those two points: where we are going and why.

Not to be a herd is the primordial and eternal essence of that same mysterious Russian soul that the West could not understand. And everything is very, very simple. We just don’t want to be a herd.

That is why this very, if not ideology, at least an idea is needed.

And not just an idea, but an Idea. The very one in the name of which the Russian Empire gathered for many years, then the Soviet Union grew and developed ... Now? Yes, of course, Crimea ... But Crimea doesn’t pull on the idea. So, a one-time action, nothing more. You don’t really go anywhere under the flag with the inscription “Krymnash”, but we are interested in exactly the way forward.

Build and multiply.

But to build and increase in the first place for themselves, their loved ones, and not for a handful of oligarchs and their minions from among politicians and lawmakers. Contemptuously spitting into the microphones and lenses of the cameras in the direction of the uncoiled plebe.

That is precisely why this (or I seriously hope that another) bunch of rulers is simply obliged to give the rest of the mass this idea / ideology. It is obliged, because without it, the number of distrust going to rallies will grow year by year, and in general this reaction can no longer be stopped with batons or blows to the stomach of twenty-year-old girls. The process has begun.

Yes, the process of distrust has begun, even if today it is not headed by the most pleasant representatives of the human race like L. N., but "there will be new victories, new fighters will stand up."

And the number of fools stupidly bashing with a pan head on the portrait of the Great and Infallible will still slowly but surely decrease.

Someone (not excluded) will grow wiser and see clearly, and someone our social reforms will slowly, but surely bring to the grave.

But sooner or later, the bulk of the people will come to understand that they need an idea. Need a goal. A humanoid will be quite simple feeders with warm boots. Well, or another handout from the rulers in the form of raising the minimum level of salary.

Why did I say that some other forces will develop the idea / ideology?

Everything is simple. Today, everything suits and so.

It is very noticeable that everything that is happening in the country today is shy away from a carbon copy, completely without any improvisations. Starting from the annual show of “answers to questions” and ending with any show on TV.

Perhaps the pension robbery did not fit into the general scenario, but here yes, they improvised from the heart. They simply recognized everyone that money had already been wasted and stolen, and that’s all. Normal jazz turned out.

But this is not to go far, is it?

Therefore, there is an opinion, and it is not only mine, that the next rulers and masters of the country will be those who can offer the Idea. Not this frank nonsense, designed for people who are near-by, from a flirted record about an evil world that wants to conquer us and take our resources from us. Resources have long belonged to yourself you know to whom, and it is simply impossible to take away already taken.

It is necessary to change the socio-economic model or, in modern terms, the development paradigm. Why? Because in that liberal paradigm that rules the modern world and is imposed on us, people are not needed. In the usual for us, quantity and quality.

We need a small caste of the elite — qualified managers and beneficiaries, these same ones from the “Russian Managers Association” and a herd that will plow for food for the benefit of managers.

People with a capital letter in this model are costs. "Social" is an encumbrance. Depopulation is what is profitable, which means it is economically feasible and effective. And in this, today's paradigm, I see only the desire for a gradual extinction.

Ah, how zealously today's "patriots" vote in every way about how our enemies from the USA seek to destroy us in many ways ...

It’s ridiculous already, but today you can find there just masterpieces. For example, they are trying to preserve US world hegemony by reducing the birth rate in the world by introducing into the mass consciousness ideas that deny the natural reproduction of the genus (LGBT, “child-free”, five or more sexes).

Charming, but why doesn't China and India stop it? It is possible that there can only be one answer to all these dances: clear state support for the reproductive system. Not? Okay, let's move on. Fortunately, you can still dig up a lot of interesting things, if you just rummage through modern domestic publications.

The destruction of the institution of the family, the scrapping of the system of basic moral principles, mass lack of culture, the degradation of the education system ...

Did I sound right? Is the United States to blame for all this? Well, I would like to see at least one document confirming this, where the American’s signature is.

No, all these papers, on the basis of which the system of school (and preschool, too) education was destroyed, the nightmare that is happening today in healthcare, the total mess in the Ministry of Culturelessness - everything was signed exclusively by citizens of the Russian Federation.

You can talk for a very long time about the treacherous hand of the West, but alas, the whole hand was signed by the Russian.

Yes, we very much hoped (many at least) that Putin would go to his last term without fear of anyone or anything, so there would be reshuffles in the government, there would be at least some movement forward and upward.

No, all the same barrel organ "Krymnash" and "If only not as in Ukraine." Not impressive, right?

But the main thing is not to rock the boat, right? And then the helmsman will be uncomfortable. And to listen to what is being broadcast on TV: not to act reflectively, not to try to react to the crisis, not to fuss, to be able to endure and wait in the wings, not to listen to strangers and not to play other people's games imposed ...

However, the games imposed by their own players are no better. Moreover, the result is exactly the same - the output is an obedient and easily manageable herd.

Whoever can offer a clear idea of ​​the further development of Russia will be on horseback.

Moreover, this idea will have to combine only a few things: security (personal and state), the law and its implementation, the health of the nation, education and culture. Enough for the first time.

And all the extracted and sold resources will have to work on just that.

Nothing that Sechin, Miller and others lose 5 millions of salaries per month. What did their friend say there? "We must pay them, otherwise they will run away"? Yes, only a tablecloth is expensive, I wonder in which country in the world you can get such money on someone else’s? Only in Russia, definitely.

Money found. Yes, they do exist, they are simply completely insolent oligarchs, which, again according to Putin’s assurances, we don’t have (well, we have a lot of things in the country, and nothing, we live), they live too well. Too good.

No executions, no. No confiscations, indeed, we have not 37-th year. It’s just that everything needs to be put on the altar of the new Idea of ​​the Russian World. Voluntarily.

I repeat, whoever can offer a clear picture will eventually stand at the helm of Russia. We need an idea that does not just unite the people against some ephemeral and invented enemy. The Russians, if they must unite, are not against, but for. For the welfare state, for their children born and those who have yet to be born, for the protection of life, freedom and health.

That is what Russia needs. That Russia, which is from the Russians.

To paraphrase the great dictator, I want to note that yes, I personally am ready to make sacrifices, tighten my belt and everything else that all dignitaries broadcast on TV, but really, when I am sure of success. not for the sake of another yacht / palace / crew of another Rotenberg.

Everything else is really just aimless victims and outright robbery.

Without any idea.
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  1. Rust
    Rust 20 August 2019 05: 33
    +38
    I agree with the article as a whole, and with the tightening of the belts in particular. The same thoughts attended. If sanctions, crisis, etc., are difficult in the country. You can tighten your belts, but only for everyone.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 August 2019 05: 40
      +18
      In the meantime ... In the meantime, the ordinary population of our country is engaged in belt tightening. Question: How many more holes remain on the belt? Or are there new ones to punch to the buckle?
      1. Bastinda
        Bastinda 20 August 2019 06: 17
        +43
        Tighten the belt ... Whoever does not fit on the belt, or presses too tightly, tighten on the neck ...

        For example.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 August 2019 06: 33
          +10
          This is strong! I’m ready to argue, but this * servant of the people * wears suspenders! It is impossible to find a belt for such an aquarium (if only by tailoring?).
          1. My address
            My address 20 August 2019 07: 26
            +30
            What braces, dear Sergey, Phil77!
            Here to tell this that he is a servant, here he is completely bald at such a joke!
            A wonderful article from Skomorokhov. True, it is not entirely clear why not in Analytics.
            And in general, give me back the past, there was such a wonderful future!
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 20 August 2019 08: 04
              +22
              And in general, give me back the past, there was such a wonderful future!
              Right! Unfortunately, today, we were deprived of the past and left without a future.
            2. Phil77
              Phil77 20 August 2019 09: 44
              +2
              Greetings, dear Alexander! I think that this young ** "gentleman" ** will not be balde, but will really be offended by such treatment! But in those days they themselves so self-proclaimed !! But what about the sad things now? Thank God sarcasm with us.
            3. Karabin
              Karabin 20 August 2019 14: 28
              +3
              Quote: My address
              give me back the past, there was such a wonderful future!

              Alas. "Tomorrow cannot be returned yesterday" (C).
          2. mikh-korsakov
            mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 09: 00
            +11
            On the whole, I agree with the author, although I believe that the statements quoted by the author of prominent politicians (De Gaulle, etc.) are slogans expressing popular aspirations correctly understood by the politician, ideas are too arrogant, because the idea is long-term, and the momentary aspiration is transient. The same De Gaulle was removed after a couple of years, because the aspiration has changed. It seems to me that popular aspirations, correctly understood by a politician and clothed by philosophers in a scientific shell, formulate an idea. In my everyday plan, in my opinion, every person gets out of bed in the morning, having in mind some idea (or intention). For example, I have the idea that nothing hurt me all day. In general, people have a Brownian movement of ideas every day. But these are everyday things. But it happens so, it was brilliantly written by L, Tolstoy, that in some magical way the vectors of human aspirations suddenly begin to move in one direction. Now, for example, it has become prestigious to mention Putin’s name in a positive way, and yesterday ... I don’t think that in Putin's time the authorities had no idea. Putin mentioned this word a lot - PRAGMATISM. Against the backdrop of a crumbling country, this was the right idea - you had to grab onto a straw to keep the situation, not thinking about the justice of decisions. But time has changed and Putin, with his pragmatism, has become outdated. The novel correctly describes the snickering - they are no longer savior, but murderers. But the authorities do not want to understand this - therefore, it must be replaced in one form or another. In my opinion, what people need in terms of ideology is, in fairness, bringing to the forefront PEOPLE OF LABOR, with all the ensuing economic decisions.
            1. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 20 August 2019 11: 56
              +3
              Quote: mikh-korsakov
              what people need in terms of ideology is, in fairness, bringing to the forefront PEOPLE OF LABOR, with all the ensuing economic decisions.

              then first and foremost, to raise to the first degree the creation of conditions for labor - education, modern production .... and not resale, because there is plenty of trade infrastructure.
              1. mikh-korsakov
                mikh-korsakov 20 August 2019 12: 38
                +10
                Aybolit! And that a good teacher is not a man of labor? A man of labor is an engineer, a doctor, a teacher, a worker - and a military man - this is anyone who treats his business conscientiously and creates a useful product. But the financial speculator on the stock exchange, the official embezzler - these are just parasites, they only harm society from them, they must be driven out of the country like bugs.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 20 August 2019 14: 24
                  +8
                  Quote: mikh-korsakov
                  Aybolit! And that a good teacher is not a man of labor? The man of labor is both an engineer and a doctor

                  Am I against it? wassat the doctor himself! smile not only do I have a degree soldier it’s just that in the Siberian outback where I live, people are forced to go to work in the north and engage in subsistence farming instead of mastering high technology. Subsistence farming they have foreign cars, houses from imported building materials! And this is exactly what outrages! Engineers do not work by profession, teachers relieve themselves of the obligation to educate, doctors have become officials, the military is on guard of the interests of the oligarchs.
                  Quote: mikh-korsakov
                  this is any one who treats his business in good faith and creates a useful product.

                  the goal was not good faith but business reputation, and not getting a useful product but money, do not care for what
                2. voffchik7691
                  voffchik7691 22 August 2019 13: 49
                  0
                  mikh-korsakov
                  A man of labor is any one who treats his business conscientiously and creates a useful product. But the financial speculator on the stock exchange, the official embezzler - these are just parasites
                  I don’t agree with your wording, a financial speculator, an embezzler, they are also very responsible in their work - stuffing their pockets and creating a very useful product for themselves!
                  Need to clarify!
          3. vlad106
            vlad106 20 August 2019 09: 08
            +2
            Quote: Phil77
            I repeat, whoever can offer a clear picture will eventually stand at the helm of Russia.

            as well as the State Duma Isaev and the son of Chaika ... handsome
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 20 August 2019 09: 47
              0
              Quote: vlad106
              Quote: Phil77
              I repeat, whoever can offer a clear picture will eventually stand at the helm of Russia.

              as well as the State Duma Isaev and the son of Chaika ... handsome

              Sorry, but I didn’t write it, not my words.
          4. New Year day
            New Year day 20 August 2019 10: 46
            +7
            Quote: Phil77
            I bet, but this * servant of the people * wears suspenders!

            Not only braces, but also a golden parachute
        2. Dimy4
          Dimy4 20 August 2019 08: 33
          0
          And he seems to have lost weight, haven't noticed?
        3. BAI
          BAI 20 August 2019 08: 47
          0
          State Duma deputy from "United Russia" Mikhail Slipenchuk decided to refuse to participate in the preliminary voting of the party. Thus, he will not be able to run from the party in power for a new deputy term, since the list of candidates will be compiled based on the results of the primaries.

          Mr. Slipenchuk explained this decision as "circumstances beyond his control."

          “I am a law-abiding citizen of Russia, I have fulfilled all the requirements for the ban on ownership of foreign companies and closed all foreign accounts. Nevertheless, due to circumstances beyond my control, I made a difficult decision for myself, ”said the deputy,

          Servant of the people!
        4. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 20 August 2019 11: 38
          +2
          Quote: Bastinda



          For example.

          with such a thickness of the neck and a small size of the head (brain), the loop will slip, or not strangle enough.
      2. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 20 August 2019 07: 50
        -1
        I believe that not everyone has a belt to support vices, there are those who have nothing to tighten. Unfortunately.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 August 2019 10: 53
          +6
          Quote: olimpiada15
          there are those who have nothing to delay. Unfortunately.


          Unfortunately, the authorities do not give a damn about it, and Putin still believes that he is loved and the people live well. Remember his meeting in the Far East at the factory and his polemic with the worker over salaries. On "Echo" appeared an interview with Gordon Venediktov about Putin and the situation. It’s very curious, I read it before one in the morning, a lot of things look completely different
      3. Siberia 75
        Siberia 75 20 August 2019 09: 04
        -21
        Quote: Phil77
        How many more holes remain on the belt? Or do you need to punch new ones before the buckle itself?

        Nineties remember bro. I understand you do not have to line up the pit. But then I got such that everything else is a fairy tale. Russia has a non-fake chance, and if the transfer of power from Putin’s BB (respect for him) happens correctly, everything can be very good
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 10: 55
          +4
          Quote: Siberia 75
          But then I got such that everything else is a fairy tale.

          And I got such zero ones that 90 is a fairy tale.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 20 August 2019 10: 56
          +13
          Quote: Siberia 75
          Russia has a non-fake chance, and if the transfer of power from Putin’s BB (respect for him) happens correctly, everything can be very good


          Are you seriously? Putin will remain until the end, the form of finding may change. He believes in his "mission."
          In 65 people it is impossible to convince.
          Therefore, the export of capital is growing, so the elite is slowly creeping into the “decaying” West. Including associates of GDP
      4. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 10: 50
        +1
        Quote: Phil77
        Or do you need to punch new ones to the buckle?

        You can pierce with an awl. What for a long time?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 August 2019 12: 47
          0
          Nope. I use a punch in such a thing! Accurately, evenly. Beautifully! The main thing is the markup! True, I have not pierced for a long time, the same weight. (This is from the series, you won’t praise yourself ...).
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 August 2019 07: 19
      +28
      If sanctions, crisis, etc., are difficult in the country.
      Sanctions do not interfere with a self-sufficient country. And why is it hard in the country that there was a war? We just don’t remember what war is. We are lied about the war with the West, but they themselves live there, store money there, are treated there, children are taught there
      1. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 20 August 2019 10: 54
        -23
        Quote: Gardamir
        but they themselves live there, store money there, are treated there, children are taught there

        What are your last names?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 12: 07
          +16
          Quote: Sergey1987
          What are your last names?

          Will the granddaughter of our main duelist be enough for you?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 August 2019 15: 20
            +6
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Will the granddaughter of our main duelist be enough for you?

            GOLD! The "future" of the country?
            1. TokarevT
              TokarevT 21 August 2019 10: 35
              +3
              The point is not that sprinkled with Zolotov is the future of the country. The point is that those who are in power and their ilk are broadcasting one thing to us, while they themselves strive to live completely different things at our expense. And the developed Zolotov seed is a good example of this.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 21 August 2019 10: 45
                +3
                Quote: TokarevT
                The point is not that sprinkled with Zolotov is the future of the country.

                You are wrong, this is the future. Ask where the son of Patrushev, Rogozin and Poe works. Bonz
                1. TokarevT
                  TokarevT 21 August 2019 11: 03
                  +1
                  Yes, I do not mind that this is the future of this territory imposed on us. Over time, this territory can hardly be called “our” country. Initially, simply, it was not about the fact that the "future" of our country does not live the way it agitates us, but about the fact that the incarnate sperm of all agitators and they themselves live nicely in the arms of our enemies, and they tell us completely other.
          2. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 21 August 2019 13: 29
            -7
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Will the granddaughter of our main duelist be enough for you?

            Horror is what. Zolotov’s grandson is studying abroad. Peter the Great was also probably under the west.
            And now in fact. Again. Names of authorities, in which banks and where are their accounts, who lives there and where. And the fact that one of their relatives is studying or being treated abroad is not a fact that they are traitors to the homeland, and even more so it is not a fact that we do not have a war with the West.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 14: 00
              +4
              Quote: Sergey1987
              And now in fact.

              But in fact, Patrushev's son is a minister. And where are the kids of one of the main liars of the State Duma - the patriot sailor Zheleznyak? And where is he? You yourself, perhaps, do not notice how we have an "elite", a sort of imperious boyars who scratch one thing with their tongues and do another.
              Quote: Sergey1987
              Surnames of government representatives, in which banks and where are their accounts,

              So they told you. It turned out that Patriarch Alexy did not remember how many hundreds of millions, only when the license was taken from the bank and the nun heir filed a lawsuit.
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 22 August 2019 10: 15
                -4
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                But in fact, the son of Patrushev is a minister.

                So what? And who should he be? Locksmith? And the children of Zheleznyak studied abroad, it is very bad, and Patrushev did not study abroad, but you still do not like them. What do you dislike about them? You just don't like everything. And the fact that Zheleznyak has one daughter is an assistant to the producer, and the other artist is just mega bad. She is also married to a foreigner. This spoils the moral character of Soviet man. Shoot immediately. laughing Do you live in the 50s of the 20th century? In general, the idea occurred to you that the children of our deputies are adults and have the right to decide for themselves where to study, work and whom to marry.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                So they told you.

                Well then, why then empty statements about accounts abroad if you don’t know from whom, in which bank and how much is. I can also say that you are a CIA agent and a traitor to the homeland, and that the State Department pays you, but this will not be true.
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                It turned out that Patriarch Alexy did not remember how many hundreds of millions

                Where did you come up?
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                only when the license was taken from the bank and the nun heir filed a lawsuit.

                )))) Now I wonder where the logic is? Accounts are not abroad as you say. The very same government takes away the license from the bank where the money of one of the authorities lies.))))) Not only is this news from the yellow press, it also has no logic.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 22 August 2019 10: 51
                  +1
                  Quote: Sergey1987
                  Now I wonder where the logic is? Accounts are not abroad as you say.

                  And I did not say that they were abroad. It is only unlikely that Alexy put all his eggs in one basket.
                  Quote: Sergey1987
                  Not only is this news from the yellow press, it also lacks logic.

                  RIA Novosti - yellow press? Channel Star, AIF, a bunch of other publications? Let the ROC sue. Perhaps the penny will break off with 300 millions in VEB.
                  Quote: Sergey1987
                  And who should he be? Locksmith?

                  No, the head of the bank starting with the student bench.
                  Quote: Sergey1987
                  In general, the idea occurred to you that the children of our deputies are adults and have the right to decide for themselves where to study, work and whom to marry.

                  What was this sailor with the St. George ribbon loading about his daughters? And where is he now, a homegrown patriot?
                  You know, they got it already with their worthless excuses.
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 23 August 2019 13: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    You know, they got it already with their worthless excuses.

                    We got such worthless little people like you who are trying to ruin everything and everything in everything. Not the ability to achieve anything in life, you pass off the state as a failure that prevents you from directly achieving success.
                    I have no desire to continue writing in your empty talk. Sit and whine further at your keyboard.
                2. Edmond dantes
                  Edmond dantes 27 August 2019 16: 05
                  -1
                  And the dual citizenship of our most important TV propagandists?
        2. karabass
          karabass 20 August 2019 18: 02
          +6
          In my opinion, it is useless to argue with respected Sergey, I think he is a full-time propagandist on a salary to him that vodka and that the gun is all the same - denies common sense
          1. TokarevT
            TokarevT 21 August 2019 11: 04
            +1
            Why is he then respected with such characteristics?
            1. karabass
              karabass 21 August 2019 12: 01
              +1
              Why not? a person’s work is like that. He thinks that he may be different, but his family needs to be fed
          2. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 21 August 2019 15: 00
            -6
            Quote: karabass
            In my opinion, it is useless to argue with respected Sergey, I think he is a full-time propagandist on a salary to him that vodka and that the gun is all the same - denies common sense

            laughing Unfortunately, not in the state, otherwise additional earnings would not hurt. But I don’t see common sense. What is he? In pouring mud over everything and everything? In criticizing everything and everything?
            Over the past 10 years, I've seen enough of people like you. Just let's start from 2007. The growth of the economy, you criticize that it is only thanks to oil and gas. In the 2008 war with Georgia, you criticize that the army was destroyed, the armament is old, although the Georgians were defeated in 5 days. In 2011, we accept a re-equipment program, such as you shout (on the same site) that this is all a show-off that units will purchase. It took 8 years, bought hundreds of units of various equipment, still not happy. Again screams that the army is falling apart. In the same 2011th again screams that Libya merged, although they were not allies with it. Syria is not leaked again are not satisfied. And again, criticism of the army. You criticize the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, especially the economy. At the same time, few people understand the economy. Your whole country is poor, while sitting on laptops and smartphones yourself. Crimea returned, still not happy.
            So where is your common sense?
            1. karabass
              karabass 21 August 2019 15: 19
              +3
              So I’m writing to you that common sense, which you deny, is expressed in the fact that there is an example of some developed countries of the world, whose powers have been able to achieve decent wages for their citizens in all sectors of the economy, AND OURS WERE NOT ABLE, OR WOULD NOT .This summer, two old friends from Germany came to visit me, they left one 20 another 16 years ago. One works as a storekeeper, plus combines with the position of a truck driver in the same warehouse, a salary of 2800 euros per month. Another former collective farmer and works in agriculture receives less, and piecewise BUT claims that if he stayed, he would never have made money a big house and two cars. Moreover, the prices in the shops that we have are about the same. Personally, when I go to the store, I try not to take my son with me so that I don’t put any expensive sweets in the cart. And from this I conclude that I will no longer vote for our power in the next election. I think it’s worth changing them to more competent
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 22 August 2019 10: 38
                0
                Quote: karabass
                Two old friends from Germany came to visit me this summer.

                A great example is Ivan. I can just tell you about Germany. In 2019, the average salary in Germany before taxes is 4093 euros, after fiscal deductions at the employee’s hands, about 2456 euros remain “clean”. Minimal salary is 1600. One-room apartment in Berlin was rented from 1500 euros. That is, half to pay for housing. I in Krasnodar pay part 5 for housing. Prices for products at purchasing power parity will not say that they are the same, although of course not as high as in Norway. And now compare taxes in the Russian Federation and Germany in%. They are almost the same, only we have 1% higher VAT, and they have a 10% higher income tax. And people there plow to live well, just like ours. Your friend, a collective farmer 20 years ago would not have earned as much, but 10 years ago, maybe he would have become a prosperous farmer with us.
                Quote: karabass
                those in power who have been able to achieve decent salaries for their citizens in all sectors of the economy, but ours could not

                And can you tell in what sphere in our country a person cannot get a good salary?
                1. karabass
                  karabass 22 August 2019 14: 04
                  0
                  Let's argue no more Come to the polls
                  with respect
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 23 August 2019 13: 02
                    0
                    Quote: karabass
                    Let's argue no more Come to the polls
                    with respect

                    Ok
                2. voffchik7691
                  voffchik7691 22 August 2019 14: 07
                  +1
                  Sergey1987
                  And can you tell in what sphere in our country a person cannot get a good salary?

                  I can, you are welcome to the factory with a turner, locksmith, milling machine operator! This is subject to the fact that the plant has not been closed!
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 23 August 2019 13: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: voffchik7691
                    I can, you are welcome to the factory with a turner, locksmith, milling machine operator!

                    There are no familiar milling and turners. For the sake of interest, I drove a job of a milling machine operator in Yekaterinburg. Z.p. from 35 to 75 thousand. Jobs complete. I decided to take a smaller city. Ryazan. Same zp Even if they are overpriced, the milling machine can receive an average of 40 thousand in the country.
                    Quote: voffchik7691
                    This is subject to the fact that the plant has not been closed!

                    Well, of course. I forgot. All the plants closed.))))) Do you want to list how many were opened last month?
                    1. voffchik7691
                      voffchik7691 27 August 2019 08: 54
                      0
                      Transfer! And at the same time how many jobs are there, 50 or as many as 75 !?
                      More than 42 people worked at the Yaroslavl motor, now less than 000. Where do the rest work, move to Yekaterinburg? And there were also diesel and fuel equipment plants. A huge residential complex is being built on the site of one, and a tenth of the staff is working on the other ...
                      1. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 17: 33
                        0
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        Transfer! And at the same time how many jobs are there, 50 or as many as 75 !?

                        And what every month should huge factories such as a shipyard or metallurgical plant open?
                        Kamensk-Uralsky Metallurgical Plant launched the second phase of the rolling complex; The first in Russia production of ball valves for highly corrosive environments was launched in Chelyabinsk; A plant for the production of packaging for foodstuffs has opened in the Moscow Region; The official opening of the Tula-Steel plant took place; A new workshop for the production of tubing was launched in Ugra; The theological cable plant launched the production of cable and wire products; In Adygea, a new plant for the production of dry building mixtures was opened; A plant for the production of foam rubber has been opened in the Penza region; The second stage of the new sinter plant MMK was launched; In the SEZ "Alabuga" launched a new plant for the construction chemistry of Boerner; Evalar launched a new production complex in the Altai Territory; The St. Petersburg Tractor Plant launched the Kirovets K-7 line of tractors into mass production; A disposable tableware factory was opened in the Novosibirsk industrial and logistics park; In Togliatti, the production of rubber products for the automotive industry has been launched; SEZ named after Sergo Ordzhonikidze opened the production of small-tonnage chemistry in the Saratov region; A new production of clinical laboratory products has been opened in the Moscow Region; Production of medical equipment launched in the SEZ "Technopolis" Moscow "; In Chelyabinsk, the production of equipment for hotels and restaurants has been launched; The assembly production of elevators LLC MLM Nevsky Elevator was opened in St. Petersburg;
                        Total for June 2019: 22 new production of which 7 production with investments of more than 1 billion rubles. The total volume of announced investments is more than 121 billion rubles.
                        Three industries have not reported investment.
                        By industry:
                        Engineering and metalworking - 6
                        Building materials and repair - 2
                        Chemical industry - 3
                        Electronics and Electrical Engineering - 1
                        Medicine and Pharmacy - 3
                        Textile industry - 1
                        Mining industry - 1
                        Other - 5
                        By investment sources:
                        foreign - 4
                        Russian or mixed - 18
                        For you for the remaining months to list? Or do you find the information yourself?
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        More than 42 people worked at the Yaroslavl motor, now less than 000. Where do the rest work, move to Yekaterinburg?

                        I think going to work at other plants. They are full in Yaroslavl, for example at Komatsu or retraining.
                      2. voffchik7691
                        voffchik7691 29 August 2019 09: 44
                        +1
                        At the moment, there are 12 vacancies for komatsu, are you suggesting that all 40 engine builders take these vacancies ?!
                        By the way, earlier trailers with Komatsu excavators periodically drove through the city, this year there have not been a single meeting with Komatsu excavators. Asked the people, the same reaction ...
                        Several years ago, we also opened a pharmaceutical company "Teva", the maximum number of employees is 200 people. Do you think that on the scale of a city with a population of about 750, someone noticed this?
                        In the days of Stalin, who was not so beloved by the current government, more than 6000 enterprises were opened a year.
                      3. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 31 August 2019 11: 38
                        0
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        At the moment, there are 12 vacancies for komatsu, are you suggesting that all 40 engine builders take these vacancies ?!

                        They were not fired in one day. There are other plants. Again, you can retrain.
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        In the days of Stalin, who was not so beloved by the current government, more than 6000 enterprises were opened a year.

                        I don’t remember which of our authorities spoke of non-love for Stalin. Well, that’s not even the point. In the days of Stalin there was an urgent need for industrialization and it was done at public expense. Now enterprises are being opened by private owners. No need to build for construction.
                      4. voffchik7691
                        voffchik7691 2 September 2019 10: 06
                        0
                        There are other plants

                        Sergey, you probably already forgot, I wrote to you that there were still factories of fuel and diesel equipment. One is completely demolished, while the second employs 10% of the staff. With other enterprises a similar situation.
                        My advice to you, watch less TV, look more around ...
                      5. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 3 September 2019 11: 47
                        0
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        Sergey, you probably already forgot, I wrote to you that there were still factories of fuel and diesel equipment. One is completely demolished, while the second employs 10% of the staff. With other enterprises a similar situation.

                        I remember everything. Should I list all the plants of Yaroslavl? Nowhere else to go to the milling and turning operator? Well, they just can’t learn another profession? How millions of people around the world are changing professions, but they can’t ?! Should their state arrange or a plant specifically for them to build? Why did I work as an engineer, then as a manager, and now in IT, and for some reason they cannot be retrained. I’ll tell you that I’m 100% sure that these 40 thousand have long been working in other factories, and most of them in other professions and in other areas.
                        Quote: voffchik7691
                        My advice to you, watch less TV, look more around ...

                        Thanks for the tip, but I don't need it. Do you seriously believe that the influence of the TV affects me?)))))) You are mistaken. I analyze a lot of information from various sources.
        3. TokarevT
          TokarevT 21 August 2019 10: 30
          +3
          Misha Fridman, Children of Peskov, sprinkled with Zolotov, A. Usmanov. Are these enough?
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 22 August 2019 10: 49
            0
            Quote: TokarevT
            Misha Fridman, Children of Peskov, sprinkled with Zolotov, A. Usmanov. Are these enough?

            First, learn to read carefully. We are not talking about children, but about power. Friedman is not in power, he is a businessman. Usmanov has no children and he is also a businessman, not a politician. Peskov’s children and Zolotov’s grandson can study wherever they want. This is normal. Not normal this nagging like you about this. The fact that people receive education abroad does not mean that they are traitors to their homeland, especially since the children of Peskov and the grandson of Zolotov are not in power and do not affect the decisions of the authorities. But people like you continue to measure everything with the criteria of the 30s or 50s.
            1. TokarevT
              TokarevT 22 August 2019 11: 12
              0
              They will not bring them to power in their place?
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 23 August 2019 13: 19
                +1
                Quote: TokarevT
                They will not bring them to power in their place?

                That's when they will lead then and we will talk. We will look at their actions in power. And again I repeat. If a person studied abroad does not mean that he is a traitor. Since the time of Peter the Great, people were sent abroad to study and they returned, and were more patriots of Russia than many on this site.
                1. TokarevT
                  TokarevT 23 August 2019 13: 32
                  0
                  They have already brought us: Rogozin's son "Il" has already managed to lead, Sechin's son received an order for services to the fatherland, at 23 or at 21, it seems. About the son of the clown Ivanov, who headed ALROSA, I generally keep quiet. A daddy drop from his penis. There is nowhere to look.
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 28 August 2019 13: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: TokarevT
                    They have already brought us: Rogozin's son "Il" has already managed to lead, Sechin's son received an order for services to the fatherland, at 23 or at 21, it seems. About the son of the clown Ivanov, who headed ALROSA, I generally keep quiet. A daddy drop from his penis. There is nowhere to look.

                    The children of Rogozin, Sechin and Ivanov did not study abroad. As I understand it, you are very worried. And they are not in power, they are not ministers and officials, they are top managers in state corporations. And who should they work with? Locksmiths? In all countries of the world and at all times, the children of high-ranking officials were appointed to positions either in politics or in business. And whether it be at least the capitalist USA, even the communist China.
                    Specifically, what do you dislike about their work in these companies? Did they bust them or what? And the fact that Sechin’s son received an order at the age of 25 I don’t really like, because I don’t think that at the age of 25 he did a lot of good for the state in industry or agriculture.
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                      1. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 16: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        My wonderful opponent from the category of fans of the current government, respected "Gardamir" did not say anything in his commentary regarding the representatives of the official authorities

                        Power is never official. Or will you now start conspiracy theories about the shadow government and people in it that are unknown to anyone?
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        And at the expense of top managers of state corporations, do not carry nonsense.

                        Are they not top managers? Do you even know who the top managers are? It seems you are talking nonsense.
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        And, read the corresponding commentary of the esteemed "Gardamir" again to clearly understand what our brother is talking about, before proving something with foam at the mouth.

                        Read. Stop repeating the same text. You and he are unproven nonsense. You can not provide a single fact.
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                      3. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 18: 01
                        0
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        Too many emotions. You have a lot of fun. Can anything else be just as enthusiastic and just as illiterate? Clownish, however.

                        Are you tired of scribbler? laughing Do you watch the emotions in the distance you feel? You too amuse me. I am always amused by losers who have not achieved anything in life and are only able to sit on sites and engage in criticism. Whine about how bad things are in the country. However, they do not have enough brains. When you enter into a discussion with them and crush them with facts, they are banal to verbiage. You are a vivid example of this. I no longer intend to respond to your comments. Live further miserable in your little world and whimper helplessly at the monitor. laughing
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                2. Edmond dantes
                  Edmond dantes 27 August 2019 16: 10
                  0
                  Chubais, Ulyukaev, Gaidar studied abroad. Do you recall what they have done?
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 28 August 2019 13: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Edmond Dantes
                    Chubais, Ulyukaev, Gaidar studied abroad. Do you recall what they have done?

                    Chubais did not study abroad and he is not in power. Gaidar also did not study abroad and, thank God, he is not in power. Ulyukaev studied and he is also not in power now.
                    1. Edmond dantes
                      Edmond dantes 29 August 2019 09: 48
                      0
                      And who was in Yale? And they were in power, the results are known to you.
                      1. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 29 August 2019 10: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Edmond Dantes
                        And who was in Yale?

                        And who was in Yale?
                        Quote: Edmond Dantes
                        And they were in power, the results are known to you.

                        Well known, but I repeat, Chubais is not in power. He and the Gaidar were in power, but thank God no longer exists. And Ulyukaev is an ordinary corrupt official. The whole question is, what do you think if a person studied abroad, then he was recruited for anyone?
                      2. Edmond dantes
                        Edmond dantes 29 August 2019 15: 44
                        0
                        It’s not convenient to upload photos from your phone, but you can google young reformers. And yes, they will either try to recruit or instill their values ​​abroad (depending on the prospects of the candidate).
                      3. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 31 August 2019 11: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Edmond Dantes
                        It’s not convenient to upload photos from your phone, but you can google young reformers.

                        All of them were in power in the 90s. I did not understand which of them studied at Yale. But the bottom line is that we speak for people who are now in power.
                        Quote: Edmond Dantes
                        And yes, they will either try to recruit or instill their values ​​abroad (depending on the prospects of the candidate).

                        It is possible to recruit and try, but I did not understand about the values. What kind of bad values ​​can they inculcate?
            2. TokarevT
              TokarevT 23 August 2019 13: 34
              0
              You talk in such a mentor tone with your mother.
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 28 August 2019 13: 36
                0
                Quote: TokarevT
                You talk in such a mentor tone with your mother.

                laughing Since when do printed words convey the tone?
                1. TokarevT
                  TokarevT 28 August 2019 13: 47
                  -1
                  Well, let there be a manner. Communicate with your mother in this manner.
                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 28 August 2019 14: 25
                    0
                    Quote: TokarevT
                    Well, let there be a manner. Communicate with your mother in this manner.

                    Well, I somehow decide without your advice how and in what manner I communicate.
                    1. TokarevT
                      TokarevT 28 August 2019 14: 49
                      -1
                      Talk to yourself then. At the same time, in this situation you will not need standard literacy, which you are not able to demonstrate in your comments when communicating with your interlocutor.
                      1. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 15: 52
                        0
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        Then talk to yourself

                        I’m watching, you are bombarding me with advice. I repeat once again. I do not need them and I will decide with whom I can communicate.
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                      3. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 16: 31
                        0
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        Then do not pop into my comments, they are not about you either in terms of literacy, or in reporting information, or in the style of presentation.

                        Rather, my comments are not on the level of your brains. You can’t say a single fact in confirmation of your words, one chatter.
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                      5. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 16: 59
                        0
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        Crowing with you. Agreed!

                        I did not agree with you.
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                      7. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 17: 38
                        0
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        That is, what you crow, you do not deny? Well, I'm not surprised. In this case, of course, there can be no talk of any agreements.

                        I see you are banal down to chatter and pun. Well, this is not surprising, on the topic and the facts you have nothing to answer. I do not want to answer you for stupidity and verbiage.
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            3. TokarevT
              TokarevT 23 August 2019 13: 59
              0
              My God, how much pathos! Dear Sergo, respected "Gardamir" wrote that "They lie to us about the war with the West, but they themselves live there, keep their money there, get medical treatment there, teach children there." Nowhere is it said that this is done exclusively by representatives of the official authorities. It is said that those who lie to us in our country and at the expense of the Russians, first of all, eat into three throats, and the Russians are offered to tighten their belts, like this is all the intrigues of enemies from the West. While these liars "themselves live there, keep their money there, receive treatment there, the children are taught there." And the names I have listed in full measure belong to these liars. So, to begin with, erase the foam of negativism from your eyes, and then give advice to whom and how to defend the homeland.
              1. Sergey1987
                Sergey1987 28 August 2019 14: 11
                0
                Quote: TokarevT
                Nowhere is it said that this is done exclusively by representatives of the official authorities.

                Is there no official authority? And who is it?
                Quote: TokarevT
                It is said that we are lied to those who in our country and at the expense of the Russians, first of all, eat three throats, and the Russians offer to tighten their belts, like this is all the machinations of enemies from the West.

                But do not tell me who offers to tighten their belts and what do you think you should eat three throats?
                Quote: TokarevT
                While these liars "themselves live there, keep their money there, receive treatment there, the children are taught there." And the names I have listed in full measure belong to these liars.

                The last names you listed? Then I repeat again. Not Ragozin, not Sechin, not Ivanov do not live abroad, their children did not study there. If they have real estate there then call where. If they have accounts there, name where. And anyone can blame unfounded without evidence.
                And what kind of war with the West are we talking about and who? I haven’t heard something. There is a political confrontation with some countries and that’s all. Neither Germany, nor Italy, nor France are our enemies, but economic partners. And we are trading very well and mutually beneficial with them.
                Quote: TokarevT
                So, for starters, erase the foam of negativity from your eyes, and then give advice to whom and how to protect your homeland.

                You keep your advice to yourself. I did not give anyone advice. If in your defense of the homeland this is nonsense, thank God we have other defenders of the homeland. You generally protect her from whom and how?laughing
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                  1. Sergey1987
                    Sergey1987 28 August 2019 16: 15
                    0
                    Quote: TokarevT
                    Learn to write correctly, such long opuses are not your thing.

                    Wow. You could write a line already. In fact, there is nothing to answer. laughing This is where I did not write correctly?
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                      1. Sergey1987
                        Sergey1987 28 August 2019 16: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: TokarevT
                        Even here it is illiterate: 1. "answer something" is written with a hyphen;
                        2. “illiterate” is written together.
                        And I hope you know that, according to popular wisdom, "laughter for no reason is a sign ..... yours (judging by the number of laughing pictograms).

                        I look at VO a lot of communist humanists who write a lot competently, but nonsense and are proud of it. Therefore, it’s probably funny for me to read all this nonsense.
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      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 01
        +10
        Quote: Gardamir
        We are lied about the war with the West,


        It’s just double standards. As Soloviev, a resident of Italy, and a patriot of Russia.
        1. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 28 August 2019 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: Silvestr
          It’s just double standards. As Soloviev, a resident of Italy, and a patriot of Russia.

          And he is not a citizen of the Russian Federation?
    3. Civil
      Civil 20 August 2019 07: 30
      -13
      1. In Russia, there was always one idea - to survive.
      2. Reliance of the nation - the ruler and the regime of varying degrees of cruelty. She is the structure of power.
      3. The mode of functioning of state bodies is a ladder of "strong" people who made their way to positions with extreme cruelty towards competitors.
      4. Kindness, friendship, mutual respect are the lot of the "weak". Such people are immediately thrown to the side of the road with a set-up or kick.

      PS. And it doesn’t matter what system, the hierarchy is built exactly like that at all times, in our vast country.
      1. vlad106
        vlad106 20 August 2019 09: 14
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        1. In Russia, there was always one idea - to survive.
        2. Reliance of the nation - the ruler and the regime of varying degrees of cruelty. She is the structure of power.
        3. The mode of functioning of state bodies is a ladder of "strong" people who made their way to positions with extreme cruelty towards competitors.
        4. Kindness, friendship, mutual respect are the lot of the "weak". Such people are immediately thrown to the side of the road with a set-up or kick.

        PS. And it doesn’t matter what system, the hierarchy is built exactly like that at all times, in our vast country.


        "I repeat, whoever can offer a coherent picture will eventually take the helm of Russia."
        The chosen ones with their finances will come up with and pay as well as impose and imbue any idea.
        and again will lead the power.
        but in general THEIR "chosen of God" idea is the arrival of Moses and 2800 slaves (from among the goyim) to every Jew who believes in him.
        those. the slave system that they impose in Russia
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 07: 31
      +10
      The novel, as always, is not called in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Indeed, there is no idea, there is no Russia.
      We need an idea that does not just unite the people against some ephemeral and invented enemy. The Russians, if they must unite, are not against, but for. For the welfare state, for their children born and those who have yet to be born, for the protection of life, freedom and health.

      The state must be social - otherwise why the state?
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 August 2019 09: 11
        +16
        I repeat, whoever can offer a clear picture, he eventually will stand at the helm of Russia.

        Those who are already at the helm may not agree with this.

        After all, recently the Communists put forward Grudinin together (with a different idea than now) with the idea of ​​developing the country. And what came of it? Let go steer? And it’s not a personal matter, if Grudinin would have been any other - the result would have been the same. They would have lied and poured mud from head to toe, but would not have allowed to break through.

        No one else who is not one of their own (from United Russia) to the top will not be allowed to break through with ideas, no matter how wonderful they are. But the Kremlin has no ideas of its own. And even if they do, nothing good will come of it (as with the May decrees and "various" pension reforms).
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 06
        +9
        Quote: Svarog
        The state must be social - otherwise why the state?


        Your point of view does not coincide with the point of view of the elite forming the state policy.
        We are secondary to them. Initially, in their opinion, enrichment and merger with the elite of the West.
        What for them the social state?
      3. don-1500
        don-1500 21 August 2019 00: 05
        +2
        The state is an organization protecting the interests of the ruling class (V. I. Lenin)
    5. Pravodel
      Pravodel 20 August 2019 07: 58
      +10
      Finally, they began to realize that without the idea of ​​building a great Russia it would not work.
      Hegel said: the idea rules the world ... The idea of ​​communism, then socialism perfectly coped with the economic line for building a strong independent state until 1953, before the death of Stalin. After the death of the leader of the peoples, the struggle for power began, ending with the victory of such insignificance as Khrushchev, who needed a political justification to strengthen his own power. Struggling for power, Khrushchev at the 20th Congress criticized the Stalin personality cult. As a result, the destruction of the idea, the idea that was at the foundation of the state, supported, cemented the Union, the power represented by the party elite, and the party elite. The decomposition of the elite began, in the final chain of which was Gorbachev's rise to power, which ensured the final collapse of the state. As a result, the collapse and collapse of the USSR. Anglo-Saxons, exalting themselves, at all crossroads they blow that they destroyed the Union. Nothing of the kind ... The Union was torn apart from the inside by its own party elite. And the collapse began just with the crisis, the collapse of the idea of ​​communism, socialism. The peak of the collapse was universal laughter, jokes about the path to communism, socialism, fighters for communism ... The people themselves made fun of the once beautiful idea. The laughter of the people is the last nail in the lid of the tomb of communism, the USSR, and this laughter was precisely provided by the rotten party elite. With the laughter of the people, the 90th year was inevitable.
      For comparison. China has not abandoned the idea of ​​communism. He cleared the idea of ​​obsolete, old dogmas and is consistently gaining in its development. China is not just a state, but a state that preserves and develops the idea of ​​communism. It is the idea that unites the people, creates an integral structure of state administration, provides the foundation, protection of the state by its people in case of any external threats. There is no doubt that the exploits of our heroes in the Second World War will be repeated by the Chinese defending their country in the event of a war with the Anglo-Saxons.
      Another parallel. A cursory glance at non-systemic opposition as part of bulk, caspar, honk, sables, etc. any normal person causes laughter, that laugh, which shows the attitude of the people to the dolls dancing to the flute of Anglo-Saxons.
      The last parallel. The destruction of the idea of ​​the state always leads to the destruction of the state itself. Hence, the state cannot exist without ideology, without that guiding thread that keeps it from decay. Therefore, our enemies, the enemies of Russia, its people constantly rely on the fact that in Russia there should be no ideology, ideas of Russia, there should not be something that holds the Russian people together, allows it to exist as a monolithic force, a state foundation, protecting itself, its state, its Fatherland from internal and external enemies.

      "People-State-Fatherland" is the slogan of every Russian patriot. A strong state, a united people, a prosperous country for centuries, which cannot be broken by internal and external enemies.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 21
        +1
        Quote: The Truth
        without the idea of ​​building a great Russia, it will not work.


        Do you want to say that its GDP is built without an idea? But he builds it in accordance with his idea. I believe that the main thing in his idea is a strong army, a reliable Rosguard, and the population - the population can be promised, use its proof of democracy. By and large, they do not care about the population, this is an electorate and nothing more. If you look closely, the elders of the CPSU Central Committee thought so.
        1. Doctor
          Doctor 20 August 2019 12: 25
          +3
          Do you want to say that its GDP is built without an idea? But he builds it in accordance with his idea. I believe that the main thing in his idea is a strong army, a reliable Rosguard, and the population - the population can be promised, use its proof of democracy. By and large, they do not care about the population, this is an electorate and nothing more. If you look closely, the elders of the CPSU Central Committee thought so.

          A very accurate observation. As one party organizer taught me: "the people are like an accordion, which keys you press, the music will be like that." And our leader generally has a specific upbringing: there are staff members, all the rest are a recruiting base.
        2. iouris
          iouris 20 August 2019 21: 39
          -1
          Quote: Silvestr
          But he builds it in accordance with his idea.

          Marx said that every idea inevitably puts itself to shame when it is separated from interest. I think that in 20 years he has already built everything. This is a huge period. Only the initial idea, as it were, according to BAB, was to become the head of Gazprom. BAB was very indignant about this: "I told him ... And he ...". Everything seemed to fall into place when it turned out that in order to head Gazprom it was necessary to build a new political system, to find a wife ...
    6. Leshy1975
      Leshy1975 20 August 2019 12: 07
      +3
      Quote: Rust
      I agree with the article as a whole, and with the tightening of the belts in particular. The same thoughts attended. If sanctions, crisis, etc., are difficult in the country. You can tighten your belts, but only for everyone.

      Yeah. Indeed, the case when the author to object is not something. I agree completely. hi
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  3. Ali Kokand
    Ali Kokand 20 August 2019 05: 54
    -17
    "There are no rasters." Well, thank God, it's not difficult to start. It will be difficult to stop later, and the skating rink may well pass according to your destiny. Take away and divide, was that? It was! Shaw again? Where there was a quarrel for a day, there will be no prosperity for forty days. Uzbek proverb.
    1. Far B
      Far B 20 August 2019 05: 59
      +37
      But now our state loses a hundred or two thousand people a year. This does not go like a roller in our fate, does it? My dad died at 52, my uncle died at 56. That's nothing, standard costs. "They didn't fit into the market." But we have no executions - a great achievement, oh yes! Or maybe it's better with executions, but so that the population grows? At least for the same hundred or two thousand annually?
      1. AUL
        AUL 20 August 2019 07: 03
        +8
        Quote: Far In
        Or maybe it’s better with executions, but so that the population grows? At least for the same hundred or two thousand a year?
        It would probably be nice. Only the right candidates for this matter must be chosen. Who deserve it. And there are, and many! Yes, just getting to them is difficult ...
        1. Earthshaker
          Earthshaker 20 August 2019 08: 39
          -2
          The USSR reached Trinity in Mexico, nothing prevents building a state capable of such a thing (it doesn’t have to be a scoop), it’s just to turn the drawbar.
      2. Plantagenet
        Plantagenet 20 August 2019 07: 31
        +9
        “It was difficult, very difficult,” Napoleon answered after some silence. “It was necessary to kill the leaders and give the people a part of what they promised him ... It was also necessary to gild the chains: the people are never free - and thank God! But he does not notice the gilded chains ...
        A revolution is dirty manure on which a lush plant grows. I took possession of the revolution because I understood it. I took from her everything that was valuable in her, and strangled the rest. Notice, I did this without resorting to terror. To rule with the help of countless executions, like Robespierre, not everyone can very long. But hardly anyone, except me, could calm France without a guillotine. Remember that time ... The thousand-year-old monarchy fell to dust ... Everything was crushed, destroyed, soiled. I lifted my crown from the puddle. ”

        Mark Aleksandrovich Aldanov “HOLY ELENA, LITTLE ISLAND”
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 20 August 2019 08: 11
          +3
          I raised my crown from the puddle.
          Yes, repression opposed victory. Who knows if he had not come into contact with England and Russia, he would have died reigning. The result of endless repression, endless victories lead to one end.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 20 August 2019 10: 12
            +1
            I agree with you! Especially for the Russian company. The great commander and the emperor did not calculate that it was not necessary and unhealthy to climb onto Russian soil. What about England? On land, I think he figured it out over time!
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 11: 03
              +4
              Quote: Phil77
              Phil77 (Sergey)

              Tell me, Serge ...
              Why is it that when I worked at construction sites in Moscow (2006 year), did we all receive different salaries for the same job? To all sorts of Uzbeks - about 11 thousand, for us - 15, and for Muscovites - 20? What the hell is this?
              Dyskrymynatsy, however.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 20 August 2019 12: 52
                +1
                Volodya! Hello! You. Muscovites. Saw. On. Buildings. Moscow ????? Well, brother, you bent !!! laughing fellow good
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 13: 03
                  +4
                  Quote: Phil77
                  I saw. On. Buildings. Moscow ????? Well, brother, you bent !!!

                  That's just the point that I saw. And he worked with them.
                  Muscovites were paid almost 20 thousand (I recall, it was in 2006), we were paid about 15, and guest workers from Tajik Tajiks were paid about 10-12 thousand.
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 20 August 2019 13: 56
                    -2
                    I can’t say anything about the Tajik-Uzbeks (most likely the toys of the company that hired them to work). But for the citizens of Russia ... Listen, didn’t you live in dormitories? Maybe they calculated for housing? Well, nothing else comes to mind sorry!
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 14: 04
                      +1
                      Quote: Phil77
                      But according to the citizens of Russia ... Listen, but you didn’t live by dorms? Maybe they calculated for housing?

                      Come on you. They lived in trailers somewhere 2x6, below the metro station Pechatnikov they built houses ...
                    2. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 14: 08
                      0
                      Quote: Phil77
                      maybe calculated for housing?

                      There was a complete opa. As he went into the blue booth, he was so fucked up.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 20 August 2019 07: 48
        +24
        Quote: Dalny V
        But we have no executions - a great achievement, oh yes! Or maybe it’s better with executions, but so that the population grows? At least for the same hundred or two thousand a year?

        As an example of the emergence of economic and demographic problems, our liberot has been citing the period of rule of the "tyrant" Stalin for 27 years, they say, he was a fierce "villain" and shot tens of millions of people. However, as the statistics of that time show, the population grew steadily under him and the economy was rapidly heading uphill. Hundreds and thousands of hospitals, schools and kindergartens, cities and towns were built a year. Volunteers-Komsomol members went to people's construction projects, which were not single-piece and narrowly specialized (for liquefying gas or transporting it through pipelines), but many sectoral ones, meeting the country's needs from a nail to a spacecraft. There was an idea of ​​creation. The idea of ​​building an independent state of social justice - "From each according to his ability, to each according to his work." Now the liberota, who has pushed into the Constitution a provision prohibiting any state ideology, sings praises to the era of the "liberator" Yeltsin, but this pretzel without war has managed to ruin the economy and initiate processes of a rapid population reduction by millions of souls without being shot. Large-scale operations to disperse collective and state farms, optimize (reduce) hospitals, clinics, schools, kindergartens, close factories and destroy entire industries and science are also an idea. Idea with Chubaisovsky - "Every closed plant is a nail in the coffin of communism." The idea of ​​depriving Russia of independence, sovereignty and future. - “Why are you worried about these people? Well, 30 million people will die out. They did not fit into the market. Don't think about it - new ones will grow up” (A. Chubais). So ideas are also different - constructive and destructive, depending on what kind of request has formed in society. The political force that will decode it (the request) in time, formulate an idea and move the slogan to the masses, is on horseback. The Bolsheviks once formulated - "Power to the people, factories to workers, land to peasants!" - briefly, but capaciously, and the people followed them. What can Edro offer now? For each individual tax and tariff! Do you give an increase in pension and working hours up to 12 hours while reducing the working week !? Provide every Russian with a guaranteed half-month incubation in the queue to see a doctor in a "thrifty" polyclinic! To deprive children of free access to circles and sections! Each Russian has one cubic meter of dead wood without removal from the forest! To replenish phosphorus, you give each 5-kilogram fish no less than the established size, otherwise a fine. Rave?! No, this is reality. A reality that will be brightened up with multi-colored playgrounds throughout the country, erected in an emergency order by the ruling party before the elections.
        P / S - By the way, money for the sites will be sheared from the same population under the guise of a fee for the improvement of the adjacent territory yes
      4. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 20 August 2019 10: 59
        -17
        Quote: Dalny V
        But now our state is losing a hundred or two thousand people a year

        You at least look at the statistics before talking nonsense. From 2010 to 2018, the population of the Russian Federation increased from 142 856 536 to 146 880 432. In 2019, it decreased by 100 thousand.
        1. Far B
          Far B 20 August 2019 11: 06
          +20
          So look at the statistics. Complete. Where Crimea is indicated (plus almost three million at once). Where migration processes are indicated. Waves of displacing migration subside - and demography in the country goes into minus. And you yourself will understand which of us smacks of nonsense.
          1. Sergey1987
            Sergey1987 22 August 2019 11: 47
            -4
            Quote: Dalny V
            So look at the statistics. Complete. Where Crimea is indicated (plus almost three million at once). Where migration processes are indicated. Waves of displacing migration subside - and demography in the country goes into minus. And you yourself will understand which of us smacks of nonsense.

            Yes, in the 14th it increased by 2,5 million, but since 2010 it has increased on average 200 thousand and yes due to migration. What do you want? In Germany, the natural increase since the 72nd is negative.
      5. New Year day
        New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 24
        +7
        Quote: Dalny V
        Or maybe it’s better with executions, but so that the population grows?


        And you can’t do without executions? Norway and the UAE also shot? Or was it just that money from oil and gas was used to develop the country, rather than being pocketed?
        1. Ptolemy Lag
          Ptolemy Lag 20 August 2019 13: 14
          0
          You understand everything perfectly, everyone understands ...
      6. the finish
        the finish 20 August 2019 17: 55
        -1
        This is if I am confident in the correct decision of the court and judges delving into the matter. Now I have a civil process and seeing how the judges study the materials superficially during the meeting, they take doubts that in criminal cases they will not be sent for another 20 years without really understanding why.
    2. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 20 August 2019 06: 29
      +10
      Quote: Ali Kokand
      "There are no rasters." Well, thank God, it's not difficult to start. It will be difficult to stop later, and the skating rink may well pass according to your destiny. Take away and divide, was that? It was! Shaw again? Where there was a quarrel for a day, there will be no prosperity for forty days. Uzbek proverb.

      laughing A good proverb, apparently therefore can not get out of the Middle Ages, like the Tajiks. Indeed, why quarrel, let the bais eat pilaf and the rest of this pilaf create drool for them and swallow. And they quarrel, the bays will not have such an abundance. Bravissimo! good wassat
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 August 2019 07: 24
      +8
      Take and share, was it? It was!
      I hope you remember all the memorable 90s, and not fairy tales about old times. And then he recently told me how to go to sea in Soviet times. A man, although Soviet, but not very little Russian, could not understand how I had my own ship in Soviet times. Somehow he explained that the ship of our institute was then mine for me.
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 07: 35
      +14
      Quote: Ali Kokand
      Take and share, was it?

      Not to take away and divide, but to return the loot .. We are talking about the public domain - everything related to natural resources. It should belong to everyone, not a bunch of people.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 27
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        We are talking about the public domain - everything related to natural resources. It should belong to everyone, not a bunch of people.


        Therefore, nothing will work out peacefully. Who voluntarily absent from such a nipple? Others will just come.
  4. Far B
    Far B 20 August 2019 05: 54
    +17
    that our well-being (I mean the main majority of the inhabitants of Russia, and not the chosen handful) is steadily going down.

    Yes, the point is, it seems to me, not in welfare, but in general, abstract, so to speak, justice. Rather, in its absence.
    But for some reason, the Cubans, showing the middle finger to the north, survived, but the Soviet Union, where the entire population together pursued Western values, ordered a long life.
    It's just that the Cubans, at the time of the announcement of various amerovsky embargoes, still perfectly remembered how they lived under Batista and Batiston, and could appreciate what the Castro brothers had offered them. It seems that we had approximately the same situation in WWII - many more remembered how life was under tsarism, changes for the better were evident, and therefore the Soviet soldier went to fight from the bottom of his heart, "for our Soviet Motherland." And by the 90s, no one (except for individuals) had any idea what capitalism was. They slipped us a beautiful picture on the screen about foreign life - and we fell for it. We decided that everyone could be Luis Alberto (or some Mason Capwell), have their own luxurious house with servants, etc. For some reason, no one even thought that he himself would become the servant.
    And that's why our ministry of culture has turned into a ministry of culturelessness - this is an entertaining question))) We have so many cultural figures in the State Duma! So Vika Tsyganova is now torn there to correct the culture. However, we have more than enough athletes in the Duma, but with sports it’s somehow getting worse and worse ...
    As for the idea, then, as I wrote above, - justice. Under the Union, this same justice was more than during any of the periods of the existence of Russia, which is why people are nostalgic. The noodles that were actively hung on the ears in the second half of the 80s and 90s are no longer valid. IMHO, of course.
    1. Sergey1987
      Sergey1987 20 August 2019 11: 05
      -10
      Quote: Dalny V
      The Duma has more than enough, but with sports it’s somehow worse and worse ...

      Which one? With curling?
      Quote: Dalny V
      Under the Union, this same justice was more than during any of the periods of the existence of Russia, which is why people are nostalgic.

      It was just mega-fair. For the party elite, Komsomol members and all those involved in trade it was very fair, but for the rest of the population in different ways. It is very true that the butcher earned tens of thousands in the market, and the engineer 150 rub. per month.
      1. Far B
        Far B 20 August 2019 11: 13
        +9
        Which one? With curling?

        With biathlon. With gymnastics. With team sports. Do you have to list everything?
        It was just mega-fair
        In comparison with the present time - suddenly yes, it was mega-fair. And about the tens of thousands earned by back-breaking labor, apparently, the butcher himself told you from the market? Indeed, judging by the figures of "1987", you yourself could not have witnessed such epic earnings. So where did the firewood come from?
        1. Sergey1987
          Sergey1987 20 August 2019 13: 31
          -11
          Quote: Dalny V
          With biathlon. With gymnastics. With team sports. Do you have to list everything?

          Are you kidding? In biathlon and gymnastics, we have one of the strongest teams. In gymnastics, third place at the World Cup last year was taken. On command what to list? Football? Our championship is the 3th in Europe, the team is not showing bad results. Or is hockey worse than anyone else?
          Quote: Dalny V
          And about tens of thousands, earned by back-breaking labor, apparently, the butcher himself from the market told you? Indeed, judging by the figures of "1987", you yourself could not have witnessed such epic earnings. So where did the firewood come from?

          Do not pretend that you do not know how things were done then.
          1. Far B
            Far B 21 August 2019 00: 45
            +6
            You seem to be completely off topic. In gymnastics, the USSR has consistently held a leading position (especially for you: a leader is not at all the third place). Do the names of Korbut, Bilazerchev, Shushunova tell you anything? In biathlon, both male and female, they shared leadership with the Norwegians. In football, sixth place?))) At the expense of the legionnaires. But their own team, made up, of course, of their players, entered the Group of Eight at the World Cup - and the guys were immediately awarded orders with medals. I have nothing against the guys - they gave everything in full for once. But rewarding for reaching the quarter-finals is, in fact, nonsense.
            Do you, in general, study the history of the issue before writing something? Or, as in the government, they saw a beautiful digital sign and immediately you begin to wave it joyfully. And from what nuances it develops - you do not care. As in the post above, in the issue of demography.
            1. Sergey1987
              Sergey1987 22 August 2019 11: 59
              -3
              Quote: Dalny V
              In gymnastics, the USSR has consistently held a leading position (especially for you: a leader is not at all the third place).

              Especially for you: A leader is one of the leaders in the sport, and a winner is a winner, he changes every year. I am not a specialist in biathlon and gymnastics, but our team is in a leading position.
              Quote: Dalny V
              In football, sixth place?))) At the expense of the legionnaires

              If you are as good at football as I am at ballet, it would be better to be silent. We have a stupid limit on foreign players in the championship, which only hinders the development of football. And next year it will be toughened even more. In the leading championships of England, Spain and Germany there is no limit. In the starting lineup for the match go to the citizens of these countries from 1 to 4 people. The national team is a separate story. The decade of the same national team may not be equal, and then the generation changes and already it does not show that game as before. A striking example is Germany and Spain. Or vice versa. Belgium was not a strong team, but now one of the strongest on the planet. At the same time in the championship they are full of legionnaires and it is weaker than the championship of the Russian Federation.
              Quote: Dalny V
              Do you, in general, study the history of the issue before writing something?

              So here you are. Able only to engage in criticism. And moreover, do not write for what you do not understand, for example, for the same football.
      2. your1970
        your1970 20 August 2019 11: 30
        -7
        Quote: Sergey1987
        Quote: Dalny V
        The Duma has more than enough, but with sports it’s somehow worse and worse ...

        Which one? With curling?
        Quote: Dalny V
        Under the Union, this same justice was more than during any of the periods of the existence of Russia, which is why people are nostalgic.

        It was just mega-fair. For the party elite, Komsomol members and all those involved in trade it was very fair, but for the rest of the population in different ways. It is very true that the butcher earned tens of thousands in the market, and the engineer 150 rub. per month.
        -It was especially true for those who not 150 - a 60 rubles were (cleaners, shift workers, librarians, nurses, nannies, and so on)
        1. voffchik7691
          voffchik7691 22 August 2019 15: 19
          0
          Own1970
          His coma Chubais?
          My mother received 142 rubles, retired, received 86. Plus 10 for being a minor. And what was the communal apartment? Electricity 4 penny in the city, 1 penny in the village!
          1. your1970
            your1970 22 August 2019 22: 54
            +1
            Quote: voffchik7691
            Own1970
            His coma Chubais?
            My mother received 142 rubles, retired, received 86. Plus 10 for being a minor. And what was the communal apartment? Electricity 4 penny in the city, 1 penny in the village!
            - and now we turn on the absolutely Soviet movie "Office Romance", watch it carefully (excluding the love part). What do we see? That's right - the main character, due to the increase of 20 rubles, is ready to imitate sympathy for the sharply negative Friendlich. because of
            "Listen, Vovka tore his shoes again. Where can I get 20 rubles before payday?"
            "Listen, where can I get 20 rubles after all, eh? Now, if I were appointed head of the department! .."
            © SR
            meanness? no no, life made

            the whole country saw and knew how much the orderlies / postmen received - and that was exactly 60 rubles
            Not 85,100,120 - but only 60

            And at the same time, explain if you can - why, at the cost of kW / h in 1, a penny, the population in the village amicably stole electricity?
            1. voffchik7691
              voffchik7691 27 August 2019 09: 10
              0
              About theft. On their own people are not judged...
              My mother worked as a fireman in the boiler room. True boiler room was gasified. Due to the fact that father and mother worked in three shifts, I often was at work either with my father or with my mother, I saw what kind of work this was, a fireman. In the summer in the forty-degree heat, watching the boilers (there was no automation at that time) is not sugar ... Yes, I retired at 50 ...
              So if you like, you could not be a nurse or a postman, but for example a lighter one — a fireman.
              1. your1970
                your1970 27 August 2019 11: 52
                +1
                Quote: voffchik7691
                About theft. On their own people are not judged...

                I judge by relative, I was principled .... I cut nakiduhi in the village almost every day in the absolutely 70s of the USSR ..

                They stole for crushers, on which stolen grain was crushed ..... well, how stolen .... for a bottle taken feel
                1. voffchik7691
                  voffchik7691 28 August 2019 00: 50
                  0
                  I don’t know why to steal. In 1991, I lived for 10 months on a collective farm in Ukraine (Poltava region. Globinsky district). There, the machine operator earned, for example, 3000 rubles during the harvesting of wheat, then they gave him that amount to buy 7 kopecks on the collective farm of wheat. He immediately loaded one - two trucks brought wheat to the regional center and handed over there for 14 cents! Why was it a steal ?! They had 1-2 tons of sugar in the cellars there. One or two cars per family was and always a motorcycle with a sidecar! They generally skated like cheese in oil!
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 29 August 2019 18: 14
                    0
                    Quote: voffchik7691
                    7 kopecks each. He immediately loaded one - two trucks brought wheat to the regional center and handed over there for 14 cents! Why was it a steal ?!
                    - why? count money ...
                    7 kopecks * 1000 = 70 rubles a ton - and this is a wild freebie !!! we had 20 kopecks.
                    Next
                    - for 1 piglet US a ton of grain per year is needed for feeding. On average, 5-7 piglets, a sow-1/2 and a pig-breeder were kept on collective farms feel - total average of 10 tons per year
                    - roughly half a ton per cow. A pair of cows, a goby -1/2 - a total of 2 tons on average
                    - for geese about a ton per 25 pieces, for ducks about a ton for 30-35-40 heads. This is an average of 2 tons per bird
                    At the exit we have - from 12 to 15 tons of grain
                    We consider finance 70 * 15 = 1050 rubles belay belay and it is at your prices - 7 kopecks
                    For us it would cost 200 * 15 = 3000 rubles belay belay belay , that is, all that you earned on cleaning - bye bye ......

                    This is that money ... when the dollar was worth 68 kopecks ... by the way, in dollars it's almost 5040 belay bucks ..

                    That is why the people took the bottle and went to the field to dig from the combines.
                    Our cops always had a damned battle for the harvest - they did not climb out of the fields into the sowing field (when the seed was not pickled) and the harvest

                    Now, regarding electricity, my father-in-law's crusher was three-phase at 7 kW, the neighbor had 10 ... what they got (for a bottle), that's what they did ...
                    But here it wasn’t even a matter of the cost of electricity - they were very few allowed to connect three-phase sockets / shields. Here people put on wires ....
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 18: 17
        +2
        Quote: Sergey1987
        It is very true that the butcher earned tens of thousands in the market, and the engineer 150 rub. per month.

        In which country is the butcher earning so much? Tens of thousands...
        1. your1970
          your1970 20 August 2019 21: 19
          -2
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: Sergey1987
          It is very true that the butcher earned tens of thousands in the market, and the engineer 150 rub. per month.

          In which country is the butcher earning so much? Tens of thousands...
          - any fighter for slaughtering livestock in the village earned MORE .... naturally not a month, but more cutters ...
          My friend beat cattle - took 5 rubles from the head of a slingshot from a private trader + a piece of meat + liver + sometimes a skin.
          15 minutes for a complete butchering of a cow with two smoke breaks. From 10 cows per day on average, there would be a bastard ...
          Boasted that to 1991 he had on books 400 000 (!!!!!!!!!!)rub....
          They say that I will learn 2 sons at universities - a daughter at the institute, I will buy everything for everyone in a cooperative in Samara and Moscow (daughters), I will furnish everything, I will buy it for everyone in a car, I will marry everyone ...
          The collective farm sometimes borrowed cash from him. belay belay feel
          OBKhSS and the KGB checked his income several times - everything is clean and legal
          Everything went to dust - I managed to buy two cars, refrigerators, and a leather jacket for everyone. Everything...
          He said that if Pavlov had come across to him, he would have undressed so that he would have suffered for another two weeks and not a single doctor would have helped ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 31
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            From 10 of cows per day on average there was a bastard ...

            Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? So your friend has flogged the whole herd.
            1. your1970
              your1970 20 August 2019 21: 40
              -1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: your1970
              From 10 of cows per day on average there was a bastard ...

              Do you yourself believe in what you wrote? So your friend has flogged the whole herd.
              -We had three herds in the working village - the smallest (ours) 300 of the slingshot heads, pigs / rams was not counted by anyone - but he also cut them.
              on rich collective farms there were herds of 10 000-20 000-30 000 sheep.
              Since he was not collective farmer - he was hired for the polls payment for slaughter. The collective farm had to score a lot and quickly (the transport was waiting) - and the collective farmers in a hurry to rush and tear the veins was not interesting
              In addition, he sold his (received for slaughter) meat, he handed over the skin to the procurement office to a familiar receiver, the people rarely fooled, they miscalculated very much, they say grade / cuts / blah-blah-bla - "for those ruble, go from here"
              And this is not an uncommon case in the village - for many more 50 000 lay on the books, the village burnt out more heavily on the reform. There was nothing much to buy, so the people folded ...
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 48
                0
                Quote: your1970
                .Buy something there was nothing special, here are the people and folded ..

                And here you gave a blunder. For 50 th. Oh, how much you could buy.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 20 August 2019 22: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: mordvin xnumx
                  Quote: your1970
                  .Buy something there was nothing special, here are the people and folded ..

                  And here you gave a blunder. For 50 th. Oh, how much you could buy.
                  -we have nothing...
                  A grandfather in a preferential order as a disabled war veteran of 5 for years was waiting for a car, his father in an ordinary - 7.
                  Washing / TV / moped to son / motorcycle (except for the Urals) is quite simple.
                  Crystal in the wall / cut of crêpe de Chine for a suit / "Zenit-TTL" / carpet or palace / "Ural" - to put it mildly, not a quick thing, sooooo much not fast .... their just consumer cooperation brought one and a half pieces to the district
                  Building materials are generally a great troubleshooter. A person who could then get a "Czech" is a magician, magician and criminal in one person
                  I’ve already given a story with sneakers (we didn’t have any cows at that moment, my father was disabled, and I’m in Moscow) ...
                  My fantasy runs dry on this - I can’t imagine what else could be THEN buy one to cut 50 thousand at least in half ....
                  ZY Many people drank cognac and quite a few people smoked "Cosmos" cigarettes.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 22: 11
                    0
                    Quote: your1970
                    - we have nothing ....

                    Lies...
                    Quote: your1970
                    Crystal in the wall / cut of crepe de Chine for a suit / Zenit-TTL / carpet or palace / Ural - to put it mildly, it's not a quick thing, it's not too fast.

                    When we were given a four-room hut at the dawn of the USSR, we very quickly furnished it.
                    Quote: your1970
                    Building materials are generally a great problem.

                    A bottle of vodka, and load as much cement as you like. I saw it in practice.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 20 August 2019 22: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Lies...
                      - the truth .... It makes no sense to you to lie ...
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      four-room hut
                      - large city.
                      In small towns and workers' settlements, this was not even planned. For many, stupidly, two neighboring apartments gave
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      A bottle of vodka, and load as much cement as you like. I saw it in practice.
                      - Yes, but there are nuances ....
                      We used to come to my grandmother when she and her grandfather built a garage. But grandmother was the chief accountant of Selkhoztekhnika, you can't fool her on such chaff - she took out a stack of receipts and reported for each nail (literally!)
                      A neighbor almost sat under Andropov - for a toilet + an imported sink .... he got out by a miracle ...

                      We drowned in coal - you buy 2 cubes, you had coal so that you have enough 2-3 for the winter from the boiler room in buckets / a wheelbarrow at night. You couldn’t buy more 2 cubes, I don’t know why, some norms are visible
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 00: 14
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        We drowned in coal - you buy 2 cubes, you had coal so that you have enough 2-3 for the winter from the boiler room in buckets / a wheelbarrow at night. You couldn’t buy more 2 cubes, I don’t know why, some norms are visible

                        Wow! My grandfather, as a miner, was given not know how many cubes, but a lot, hesitated to overload the barn. Freebie ended with the collapse of the USSR. There is nothing. request
                      2. your1970
                        your1970 21 August 2019 00: 45
                        0
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        betrayed
                        и
                        Quote: your1970
                        Xnumx cube you buy
                        - is there a difference? so here it was impossible to buy it even with money ..... and everyone dragged from large boiler houses .... damn thing to be honest ...
                        and the site snapped another - that coal was bad to say the least
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 00: 59
                        -1
                        Quote: your1970
                        -there is a difference?

                        Yes, I will not argue. I don’t know, frankly, about the purchase of coal, I was not interested in that. Although from the age of seven he waved an ax, chopped wood ...
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 21 August 2019 13: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: your1970
                        -there is a difference?

                        Yes, I will not argue. I don’t know, frankly, about the purchase of coal, I was not interested in that. Although from the age of seven he waved an ax, chopped wood...
                        - we don’t have a forest at all ... the naked Zavolzhsky steppe ...
                        I wonder what kind of woman "with low social responsibility" made a minus ??? I wrote it as it was in the USSR, in real life ...
                        Apparently blackened the "bright face of the USSR" ...
                      5. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 21 August 2019 13: 33
                        0
                        Quote: your1970
                        we have no forest at all ... the naked Zavolzhskaya steppe ...

                        We have a coal basin near Moscow, for some reason I think that there were no problems with the purchase of coal (all the mines were closed, worked out). And there was enough firewood. Another grandfather already had 4 stoves: in addition to the house, two extensions and a barn, where the uncles lived.
          2. karabass
            karabass 21 August 2019 16: 06
            +2
            Don’t think badly, but in 15 minutes you can’t peel a cow and don’t even cut it together (a ram can, if you hurry), he must have exceeded it like a fisherman, sorry
      4. voffchik7691
        voffchik7691 22 August 2019 15: 08
        +1
        Sergei 1987
        "A butcher in the market earned tens of thousands, and an engineer 150 rubles a month."

        Apparently 1987 nickname is the date of birth?
        So Seryozha does not need to write something you don’t know about or what you were told about on the first channel! Vaz 2108 cost about 8 rubles. You want to say that he (the butcher) took a car every month ?! And then, most importantly, where would he put them in the savings bank ?! In those days, Cyprus could not be taken out!
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    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 August 2019 06: 30
      +24
      Well, yes, yes. Of course it’s irresponsible! But this is what our government is doing to really * not rock the boat *? Pension reform? Four-day work week, progressive income tax (will you argue that it is needed?), Health care reforms (when last time were the district clinic?) and much more. Sanctions? Yes, government actions are more harmful than these notorious sanctions!
      1. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 20 August 2019 13: 13
        -10
        Quote: Phil77
        Pension Reform?

        All countries have long held, but we did not have to do?
        Quote: Phil77
        Four day work week

        Have you accepted her? I didn’t notice something.
        Quote: Phil77
        progressive income tax (will you argue that it is needed?)

        I do not understand you for or against?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 August 2019 13: 30
          +4
          My answer is: Pension reform? Yes, it’s necessary to carry out, but ... Gradually, step by step, and not so sharply. ? Yes, right after the new year, this will happen (remember the same pension situation)! Income tax? No, well, of course it’s normal when the dollar billionaire and simple locksmith Vasya (with all due respect to the locksmith !!!) pay 12 percent of the tax, yes? To summarize: so am I for or against? In my opinion, everything is extremely clear. Regards.
    2. DEDPIHTO
      DEDPIHTO 20 August 2019 06: 52
      +15
      Quote: tracer
      But to blame the authorities when the whole world is up in arms with sanctions, I consider it at least irresponsible. There is no return to socialism anymore, and there will be no bloody internal upheavals. Only this time no one will let Russia rise.

      Again, some cliches, a nightingale kissel .. That's when the ruling belts are tightened, then we'll talk about responsible and irresponsible sanctions too. But they will not refuse sweet incomes voluntarily, so it is they who will press the trigger of shocks. The country will not disappear, a new state will be born, perhaps a good one.
    3. Timeout
      Timeout 20 August 2019 07: 36
      +9
      Quote: tracer
      I respect Roman for many things that he does on the site. But for a clearly provocative stance towards the government, no. I am gradually degrading the site, becoming all oppositional in the bad sense of the word. Yes, many things are not as good as we would like, many are not good at all. But to blame the authorities when the whole world is up in arms with sanctions, I consider it at least irresponsible. There is no return to socialism anymore, and there will be no bloody internal upheavals. Only this time no one will let Russia rise.

      So what are you doing propaganda because of the "hillock"? Come to Russia, try everything for yourself.
    4. AA17
      AA17 20 August 2019 11: 07
      +6
      Dear tracer (Blizzard). "... But find fault with the authorities when ...". Why find fault with her. There are more serious organizations that can draw conclusions about the work of our Government. Not so long ago there was an IMF report on the effect of SANCTIONS on the Russian economy. "... As indicated in the materials of the IMF, the contribution of restrictive measures to the slowdown in GDP growth was 0,2 percent, the decline in oil prices - 0,6 percent, tight budgetary policy - 0,1 percent, restraining monetary policy - 0,2, 1,2 percent. These factors reduced economic growth relative to the forecast as a whole by 0,1 percent ... ". Take a close look at these numbers. THE ACTIONS OF THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT to slow down the GDP growth rates of our country, namely: "a tight budget policy - 0,2 percent, a restraining monetary policy - 0,3 percent" in the amount of 0,2% cause greater damage to the Russian economy than themselves SANCTIONS in the amount of XNUMX%. Logic suggests the Russian government is doing more harm to the Russian economy than the SANCTIONS themselves.
      P.S. I feel sad and sad. The IMF in its report shows the negative role of our Government on the growth of the economy of our country. But our Government is following all the instructions of this organization. What does it mean? Can you explain this?
    5. New Year day
      New Year day 20 August 2019 11: 31
      +9
      Quote: tracer
      But to blame the authorities when the whole world is up in arms with sanctions, I consider it at least irresponsible.


      Straight agitation! Something the elite dumps behind the cordon and does not want to rally. Well, are Rotenberg compensated for losses from sanctions, but I don’t? Maybe because GDP doesn’t know about me, but that’s mine, my own?
      And then, even with sanctions, should our government be foolish?
      1. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 07
        -10
        Rotenberg's enterprises are tens of thousands of jobs.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 August 2019 13: 13
          +8
          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Rotenberg's enterprises are tens of thousands of jobs.

          Quote: AS Ivanov.
          Rotenberg's enterprises are tens of thousands of jobs.

          And for the hundreds of thousands who do not work for him, do not care?
          1. AU Ivanov.
            AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 15
            -7
            State enterprises are subsidized in the same way. They pour not only into the Rotenbergs, they invest money in other industrialists.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 20 August 2019 13: 30
              +7
              Quote: AS Ivanov.
              State-owned enterprises are subsidized in the same way.

              I didn’t notice something in my state-owned enterprise, but at whose expense the banquet? An individual pensioner is subsidized? Or the poor?
    6. Varyag71
      Varyag71 20 August 2019 11: 33
      +8
      Yes, what a poor government. Western villains do not give them to build houses in the decaying west, to develop a business, to teach children, to be treated, to rest ... These are the sanctions.
    7. BAI
      BAI 20 August 2019 13: 20
      +8
      Quote: tracer
      But to blame the power when the whole world is up in arms with sanctions I

      And how else to talk to her if on TV:
      - In Europe, gays, drugs, debauchery, lack of spirituality and lack of bonds!

      And to the question:
      “But why did you buy an apartment in Paris then?”

      There will be an answer:
      - Once again, for stupid. In Europe, gays, drugs, debauchery, lack of spirituality and lack of bonds!
    8. kanskebron
      kanskebron 21 August 2019 08: 45
      0
      But to blame the authorities when the whole world is up in arms with sanctions, I consider it at least irresponsible. There is no return to socialism anymore, and there will be no bloody internal upheavals.

      And with what kind of sanctions the world took up arms against the country from 1922 to 1940. The sanctions are now against the backdrop of those that are simply a threat with a finger. And the Soviet government made country 2 the economy of the world. Not a return to socialism, but a movement towards socialism is already underway now, as if your masters from the oligarchy of the Russian Federation did not try to prevent this.
  6. Sergei Novozhilov
    Sergei Novozhilov 20 August 2019 06: 22
    +9
    Power should consist of delegates, not deputies
  7. nikvic46
    nikvic46 20 August 2019 06: 39
    -2
    Yes, the communists will forgive me, but I believe that the collapse of the USSR was their fault. The number of members of the CPSU at the time of the collapse reached a huge figure. By the way, they still blame anyone, not admitting their guilt. Now there are many parties, but few party members they know that this is primarily a service to society, and then a merit.
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 August 2019 07: 21
      +11
      Quote: nikvic46
      Yes, the communists will forgive me, but I believe that the collapse of the USSR was their fault. The number of members of the CPSU at the time of the collapse reached a huge number.

      Yes, full of you, my friend! What could ordinary CPSU members decide at the time? Raise the "FOR!" at meetings yes pay party dues. It was for this (especially for the latter) that these privates existed. And to decide something - for this the Politburo was (the Kremlin elders).
      1. mark2
        mark2 20 August 2019 08: 05
        +1
        Yes, full of you, my friend! What could ordinary members of the CPSU decide at that time?

        Standard excuse.
        As it turned out, they decide.
        With the tacit consent of both ordinary communists and ordinary citizens, the Union was dumped. It was the Communist Party of the USSR that was responsible for the collapse of the system. It was they who did nothing to prevent, and it was the members of their party and the Komsomol who became today's oligarchs.
        A simple example. After 1917, there was a civil war. The old government fought for its existence. The Communists did not fight at all in 1991.
        With the tacit consent of today's Skraevites, unpopular laws are being passed. We, including myself, laugh at Navalny's shares. And rightly so. Because he calls to fight the consequence, not the cause. The reason for everything is the capitalist system itself. As long as money-grubbing is at the forefront, nothing will change
        The Russians from the creator people turned into the herd, which is mentioned in the article.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 August 2019 07: 37
      +9
      communists, but I believe that the collapse of the USSR was their fault
      president, current government, deputies, all of the communists. And what?
      1. your1970
        your1970 20 August 2019 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        communists, but I believe that the collapse of the USSR was their fault
        president, current government, deputies, all of the communists. And what?
        -
        this suggests that ALL The CPSU - the whole polls were hit by careerism, soullessness, meanness, hatefulness, corruption (yes, yes !!!), lack of initiative, and so on ....
        Not a single colonel was found in the entire army (CPSU member 100%, otherwise), who would bring his regiment to support the USSR
        There was not a single major in the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs (CPSU member 100%, otherwise) who would have instituted criminal proceedings against traitors to the Motherland
        There was not a single specialist in the entire KGB (a CPSU member 100%, otherwise) who would take and arrest the entire top of the conspirators

        and here the author amused to hiccups:
        "It's charming, but why doesn't this stop China and India? It is possible that there can be only one answer to all these dances: clear state support for the reproduction system." - in India? in China? support reproductions? the author smoked drums. In China, the restriction on the second child was recently lifted, this of course can be considered support, but with a wild stretch: "Be fruitful - we do not mind!! "
        I am silent about India in general - there the state does not regulate this issue at all ....

        yeah, reproduction support ....
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 18: 26
          -1
          Quote: your1970
          this suggests that the entire CPSU — all without exception, was struck by careerism, soullessness, meanness, hatefulness, corruption (yes, yes !!!),

          Nonsense! We had a member of the CPSU, so he refused the apartment. One could approach the deputy director, a member of the CPSU, and ask for a loan on beer.
          1. your1970
            your1970 20 August 2019 21: 08
            -1
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            One could approach the deputy director, a member of the CPSU, and ask for a loan on beer.
            -So what?
            our conscript soldier was the conscript ...
            separate song - 26 years old, member of the CPSU (not a candidate !!) Moscow State University (maybe a graduate student?), wife + child - how did he get into the army / CPSU - I still don’t understand, for the army too old, for the party too young .. ..
            So we were terribly fond of peeping - how he raised the regiment commander at the party meeting and tore him. How did he tear him !!!! like the last goat in the very last village on the settlements !!!
            It’s a disgrace for the Polkan and you don’t vyaknesh - tore solely for the cause. The Party Assembly voted FOR departure from the party and the army to discredit ... Although the regiment was a combat competent specialist and a good commander ...
            Then only I realized that absolutely any a person can be dipped in feces and not released until he gets tired / dies. You just have to able and want doing so...
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 12
              +2
              Yes, do not lie about the entire Communist Party.
              1. your1970
                your1970 20 August 2019 21: 49
                -2
                Quote: Mordvin 3
                Yes, do not lie about the entire Communist Party.
                -you can give an example of a member of the CPSU, who in 1991 NOT said nothing, but brought his unit / district department to the square?
                Who shot himself with melancholy - that the USSR profiled and changed the oath?

                Since such cases are miserable (they were, but there are actually 1 per million of them), it is quite possible to conclude at least about the indifference of members and candidates for members of the CPSU
                16 000 000 people just turned away and pretended that nothing had happened ..... and a large enough part also joyfully tore / burned / sold party cards to tourists
                Yes, if they were just ignored orders of the new government - the USSR would survive ...

                Z.Y. White officers fired at the Civil - from the understanding that it theyIt was they who profiled the king / monarchy / system / country
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 21: 58
                  0
                  Quote: your1970
                  can you give an example of a member of the CPSU who didn’t keep silent in 1991, but brought his unit / district department to the square?

                  Well, you issued. And GK state of emergency that did not deduce?
                  Quote: your1970
                  Who shot himself with melancholy - that the USSR profiled and changed the oath?

                  Well, at least remember the Strict Dwarf. Hanged himself.
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 20 August 2019 22: 27
                    +1
                    GKChP brought, yeah ... but everything was already so rotten .....
                    Civilians climbed BTT and kicked tankers on the head belay Civil - Military belay The putsch, eprst ...
                    When power sure in itself - occurs as in Novocherkassk or Tiananmen or Ferguson. You will not frighten her bare backside ... And if everything has rotted to zero - February 1917 or Maidan takes place

                    Unfortunately, I was small and I don’t remember all the nuances - a relative came to his father to celebrate the holidays, drank and they started discussing events either in Hungary or in the Czech Republic.
                    He said that they controlled one street — and the neighboring GDR.
                    So on their street stones were thrown at them, shouted and even shot - and the GDR drew in chalk two lines with inscriptions - one "Stop", the second "The patrol shoots without warning." And that's it ... peace and quiet ... no disturbances .......
                    My father, who served an urgent term in the GDR, said yes, the Germans could have done so, moreover, they would have done so, and everyone understood that it would be so
                    German street controlled 3 (THREE !!) automatic machine - our tank platoon

                    ZY or hanged ... muddy there they had on top ...
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 22: 31
                      -1
                      Quote: your1970
                      ZY or hanged.

                      Do you even understand who I'm talking about?
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 09
        -8
        It turns out that the communists are evil. The price of such a party that allowed the decay of its own top is worthless. We are still reaping the results of her reign.
        1. DEDPIHTO
          DEDPIHTO 21 August 2019 03: 16
          +2
          Evil is not communists but those little people who mowed under them. Adaptive careerists, greedy bastards without honor and conscience penetrated the party and perverted everything that they could reach. By the Gorbachev period, a critical mass of such werewolves had accumulated at the top of the CPSU, and greed knew no boundaries — communist IDEOLOGY, which was the foundation of social services, already prevented satisfying its own growing greed. state. The people were already basically prepared for that time, in the sense they did not believe in communist socialist ideas (the merit of those werewolves who carefully grinded and perverted this), therefore, the bastards quite easily dismantled this foundation (ideology) at the same time as the state. Another country appeared in which Greed was almost a new IDEOLOGY, and werewolf-destroyers, throwing out party books, became its masters.
          ps I disagree with the author of the article only in his conclusions. There is ideology in today's Russia, only it is hidden by the fact that it is not officially declared, as communist ideology was declared in the USSR. This is an IDEOLOGY OF LIVING! Such a human vice as greed is the foundation of today's Russia. And the fact that this foundation is being poured indicates that people have seen their sight and for most citizens of our country SUCH IDEOLOGY IS UNACCEPTABLE, which means UNSUFFICIENT!
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 11: 14
      +5
      Quote: nikvic46
      Yes, the communists will forgive me, but I believe that the collapse of the USSR was their fault.

      Sorry, but there were different people in the CPSU. I believe that those who “surfaced” outnumbered those who “at the bottom”.
  8. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 20 August 2019 06: 41
    +5
    NO IDEAS - NO RUSSIA ??? NEW IDEA OF THE RUSSIAN WORLD ???
    Can a cat tell me clearly about the old idea of ​​the Russian world?)))
    It is clearly seen in the history of states that there can be no ideologies that truly unite all citizens of the country. there is the ideology of the political elite in power. It is the change of elites that leads to a change in the vector of state ideology. And there are only two such vectors: a vector for the ideology of SURVIVAL and a vector for the ideology of DEVELOPMENT. Unfortunately, when Putin was brought to power in Russia (as a temporary worker), the main task and ideology was the vector of SURVIVAL - i.e. not allow Russia to finally lose territory, end the war in the North Caucasus, preserve statehood, etc. Putin fulfilled this task, but we still have a political elite created for SURVIVAL, not for DEVELOPMENT, to "rule" the country.
    1. AUL
      AUL 20 August 2019 07: 31
      +13
      we are left to "rule" in the country, the political elite created for SURVIVAL, and not for DEVELOPMENT.
      I disagree! Now the elite is in power, for which the survival of the country is deeply violet, all the more so as development. This "elite" is focused only on personal enrichment, and does not care much about the fate of the country. They'll finish off the last thing in the country and pull it over the hill, they already have everything there - real estate, yachts, vineyards, and bills.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 August 2019 08: 09
        +1
        For AUL (Alexander) What you wrote is more like a "cry from the heart" rather than a "voice of reason". The elite ruling in the Russian Federation will remain the elite as long as they live in the country, in other countries they will be emigrants, albeit rich ones. The flight of the ruling elite from the country is the main "indicator" that the power is temporary. Where did the ruling elite of tsarist Russia, who had fled from the Bolsheviks, "disappeared" into emigration, which lost its levers of influence (and enrichment as well) on the territory of the USSR?
        I agree with you - the goal of the current elite is personal enrichment, but it is mainly the children of those who are in power (not only political) in Russia that "run abroad", "daddies" and "mothers" continue to cling to their places at the "loaf", sending bitten off pieces to their offspring abroad. But even today, up to those who are "focused" on the withdrawal of their capital "over the hill" begin to understand that without Russia they are nobody !!! Therefore, they are slowly returning their children from Landons and Paris to their homeland, seating them in bureaucratic chairs))) ... they are not yet in the posts of key ministers, but tomorrow we will be able to see them in high positions.
        By the way, pay attention to the career of Patrushev’s son - isn’t he prepared to replace Putin?
        1. AUL
          AUL 20 August 2019 09: 37
          +11
          Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
          The flight of the ruling elite from the country is the main "indicator" that the power is temporary. Where did the ruling elite of tsarist Russia, who had fled from the Bolsheviks, "disappeared" into emigration, which lost its levers of influence (and enrichment as well) on the territory of the USSR?

          IMHO, the example with emigration after 17 years is incorrect. Then they ran, figuratively speaking, "in one underwear" and not from a good life. They were simply thrown out of the country overnight! And the overwhelming majority of them did not have villas and accounts over the hill, and therefore drank the orphan emigre share.
          These current ones are another matter. They are now ready to dump abroad. For the most part, they have already built their children there, prepared the rear, the loot on the accounts. Why yourself here yet? The answer is simple - because there is still something to grab! Here they are grabbing rampant, pumping up their bills in a foreign country. Because there they do it the way they do it with us, they will not be allowed, but otherwise they do not know how! When the feeder runs out here, they will dump it and will live on interest from capital or on dividends from shares. And, believe me, they will not experience nostalgia for Russian birches!
      2. Sergey1987
        Sergey1987 20 August 2019 13: 19
        -8
        Quote: AUL
        This "elite" is aimed only at personal enrichment

        If only personal enrichment, why does this elite need Crimea, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Syria?
        Quote: AUL
        They will grab the last one in the country and pull it over the hill, where they already have everything stocked - real estate, and yachts, and vineyards, and bills.

        So can you name where and with whom, which house, account? Or is it still one chatter and not a single fact? Let’s say, not with cliches, but with facts. Where, for example, does Medvedev have real estate abroad and in which Western bank account?
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 20 August 2019 07: 54
      +4
      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
      Can a cat tell me clearly about the old idea of ​​the Russian world?)))
      Is there any difficulty in this?
      Until the 17th year - "For Faith, Tsar and Fatherland."
      From the 17th to the 91st years - "Freedom, Equality, Brotherhood".

      This is, if very briefly, and one does not have to cling to the fact that in the USSR there was no full freedom, equality, etc. - this is exactly what was the idea under which people were ready to endure not freedom and not equality in order to achieve the goal.
      By the way, I would leave this slogan as an Idea. Since this is the basis of socialism, not communism. I believe that social democracy on a capitalist basis is the future of humanity. De facto, Europe has long been a social democracy, although no one officially recognizes this. In the USA it is a little more difficult, there it is rather bad with "socialism", but the country is also young, Europe has yet to catch up with them and catch up.
      1. Vitaly Tsymbal
        Vitaly Tsymbal 20 August 2019 08: 43
        +2
        For Alex_59 (Alexey) If I understand correctly, the "Russian World" is an ethno-social environment with the dominant principles of culture among the population (culture here as a way of life) based on the traditions of the Russian Orthodox Church. Only with such an interpretation of the "Russian world" should the Church not be confused with "clericalism."
        By the way, the main idea of ​​socialism, proclaiming its goals is not "Freedom, equality, fraternity!" In both ideologies, I do not see anything wrong, only it is necessary to clarify that in the USSR the ideology was dominated by Marxism with its basis in the division of society into classes. And socialism was not built for everyone, but only for the proletarians.
        But even the socialist slogan in different situations can have a different vector. Let's take the USSR as an example: Civil war and NEP are the vector of survival, industrialization and collectivization is the vector of development, the Second World War and the country's restoration in the post-war years is the vector of survival, space, the atom, BAM is the vector of development !!! The vectors changed not only with the new elite, but at a time when the same leaders were in power. So if Stalin (I do not give him an assessment, I just consider the facts) had the ability to change the vector depending on the situation, then Putin (unfortunately) is not capable of this - he was initially essentially a conservative "chewer"))), although understands that in Russia today the vector must be changed from the direction of "survival" to the vector of "development".
  9. savage1976
    savage1976 20 August 2019 06: 43
    +3
    I don’t have a solution to this problem, but I don’t want to see it, much less take part in the next blood flow to our people. While we are making revolutions over and over again, other countries are quietly evolving and we are all catching up with them, catching up and catching up, we cannot destroy our country to the ground and rebuild it again.
  10. Van 16
    Van 16 20 August 2019 07: 01
    +2
    Very good article, straight to the point, thanks to the author!
  11. armata_armata
    armata_armata 20 August 2019 07: 02
    +7
    Who can offer a clear idea of ​​the further development of Russia will be on the window

    I hasten to disappoint the author the idea already exists, and it sounds like this - "all power and resources to the oligarchy", and if people want to return to the idea "to each according to their ability", then they should not philosophize, but act ...
    And yes, the oligarchy will not refuse the current idea voluntarily
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 August 2019 07: 15
    +5
    The dear author repeated a lot, sinned with cliches, limited the history of the USSR ... But he put forward two thoughts:
    1) Whoever proposes the Idea will own Russia.
    2) The Idea itself is a social state + freedom.

    It was said reasonably, although for me, these banners will not collect fighters. The integration of Donbass could give an impetus to Russia. Not for nothing, it was this idea that united "diverse" passionaries. It is this idea that both Washington and Moscow are furiously drowning.
    If there is no general idea of ​​Great Sovereign Russia, there will again be the Polish banner of discord.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 August 2019 07: 42
      +8
      + freedom.
      What is freedom in your understanding? In Soviet times, I traveled half the country. And now I can’t reach my little homeland for years.
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 20 August 2019 07: 44
        +1
        "Gardamir": About "freedom" - this is to Mr. Skomorokhov. For me - it's just a myth that covers up political crimes.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 11
        -11
        In Soviet times, I traveled half the country. And for work and personal matters. And now I traveled half the world. Feel the difference.
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 07: 44
      +4
      Quote: samarin1969
      The integration of Donbass could give an impetus to Russia. Not for nothing, it was this idea that united "diverse" passionaries. It is this idea that both Washington and Moscow are furiously drowning.
      If there is no general idea of ​​Great Sovereign Russia, there will again be the Polish banner of discord.

      The impulse will be short .. and then what? I agree that without an idea there will be no Russia, and an idea can only be social ..
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 20 August 2019 07: 45
      +4
      The idea is excellent. But. an idea is a program .. a thought ... a goal .. Any action begins with it ...

      But. Any building without cement is a pile of bricks.
      In a building. In which there is no scrap at least a hundred ideas drop .. but it will remain a bunch of bricks
      The Russian ethnos has always been a staple in the united country of peoples. as unifying.
      What is bad if everyone will be proud that he is Russian. Hebrew. Tatar. Kalmyk. .And preserve their traditions .language and culture. Riches and morals ..
      Every people will benefit from this. And, as a result, the whole country.
      1. Edmond dantes
        Edmond dantes 27 August 2019 17: 22
        0
        Totally agree with you. I believe that Russian is not a nationality, but a state of mind.
    4. mark2
      mark2 20 August 2019 08: 10
      +1
      And when Donbas integrates and the first euphoria passes, what's next? What will we integrate further?
    5. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 20 August 2019 08: 32
      +1
      1. We see that the world, living on the ideas of the market, universal enrichment and survival at the expense of others, has come to a standstill. Russia has embarked on this dead end road ..
      2. On the agenda, and not only for Russia, the creation of a society of justice ...
      3 Justice is a characteristic feature of the Russian people
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 20 August 2019 07: 16
    +8
    Well-being, of course, is a good thing. But we had mutual assistance, when people helped the whole "world" And now defenders of the current government what are they proud of? Cars in the yards. And before they were proud of the Conscience.
  14. igorbrsv
    igorbrsv 20 August 2019 07: 26
    0
    Somewhere right request

    . the reaction can no longer be stopped with batons or blows to the stomach of twenty-year-old girls

    And it hurts the ear.

    . The destruction of the institution of the family, the scrapping of the system of basic moral principles, mass lack of culture, the degradation of the education system ...

    Did I sound right? Is the United States to blame for all this? Well, I would like to see at least one document confirming this, where the American’s signature is.

    A bad example is contagious. Propaganda was carried out from the West.
  15. sergo1914
    sergo1914 20 August 2019 07: 34
    +8
    In addition to the idea, a Leader is needed, which will drag the masses of this idea. Will accelerate paternal bream
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 August 2019 09: 57
      +2
      Here, here, here! Very often the problem was correctly voiced. Leader and leader! But this is just a tremendous strain! He is not there (there are no current leaders, as if to not offer the opposition!). There will be a real person, there will be and the idea that determines the development of the country. Approximately so.
  16. parusnik
    parusnik 20 August 2019 07: 36
    +1
    I repeat, whoever can offer a clear picture will eventually stand at the helm of Russia. We need an idea that does not just unite the people against some ephemeral and invented enemy. The Russians, if they must unite, are not against, but for. For the welfare state, for their children born and those who have yet to be born, for the protection of life, freedom and health.
    ....Freedom equality Brotherhood? Peace to the huts! War to the palaces !? It didn’t pass ... The proletarians of all countries, unite!? .. Obsolete, because in the age of scientific and technological revolution, you can’t figure out who the proletarian is and who is not .. Ah, yes ... it remains .. We lay down our wives and children but we’ll save the Russian land! ... So already ... mortgaged and consumer loans were laid ... There is one more thing: to the Senior Department ... humpbacks! To the younger - also in fairness. Fish oil - on the table! ... We live on it ...
    The Russians, if they must unite, are not against, but for
    .... At the expense of cohesion ... Everyone should? And those who have dual citizenship and property and accounts abroad? ... Already .. Labor code, article 23 social partnership ... Alas, there is no one to offer a clear picture ... and to stand at the helm of Russia .... The helm , currently in good hands, though the ship is wagging like a Markitan boat, and navigation is not all right .. yes, and with the ship, too: it flows, a fire breaks out there ..laughing
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 20 August 2019 08: 21
      +5
      It was not passed.
      Somehow at leisure, I tried to combine the benefactors of Christians, Muslims and the rulebook of medieval man. It turns out that nothing needs to be invented. Do not kill, help the elders, take care of the younger ones, behave with dignity. Ready-made rules. By the way, the code of the builder of communism is not from Christianity, this is noodles. This is a slightly different level.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 20 August 2019 08: 31
        +2
        By the way, the code of the builder of communism is not from Christianity, this is noodles.
        ... I don’t need to explain this .. And the problems of the communist movement are very serious. It is unfortunately in a deep crisis. It seems to be a foundation, but a lot has changed since the foundation was built .. But there are no new theorists ..
  17. Whowhy
    Whowhy 20 August 2019 07: 44
    +4
    Shit always pops up. How do we overcome physical laws? request
  18. rocket757
    rocket757 20 August 2019 07: 44
    +7
    We need an idea that does not just unite the people against some ephemeral and invented enemy. The Russians, if they must unite, are not against, but for. For the welfare state, for their children born and those who have yet to be born, for the protection of life, freedom and health.

    But this is the main thing! Many people say just that, write .... only we have to admit that things are still there.
    That's interesting, why? People have not yet understood that they should UNITE and take care of theirs, the common, all together !!!
    - "The BARIN will come, the BARIN will judge us !!!" - this fairy tale has long been out of date and even very harmful to all of us.
    Therefore, by the way, the opposition, the protests are not interesting to most citizens .... there is clearly not for us, there is more for ourselves! If there are voices for EVERYONE, they are drowning in the general choir of unattractive for the majority.
    In general, we are waiting, with DANKO or COMRADE on an armored car ....... only it will not appear.
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 20 August 2019 07: 58
      +4
      Therefore, by the way, the opposition, the protests are not interesting to most citizens .... there is clearly not for us, there is more for ourselves!
      ... I agree completely .. Weed, spawned weed ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 August 2019 08: 12
        +2
        I do not believe that the "political field" can be cleaned out to such an extent that at least some kind of creative force, movement, does not remain!
        Maybe the request from the company has not yet gone ??? Without him, there will probably be no movement.
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 20 August 2019 08: 35
          +1
          Unfortunately, it was cleared, the cleansing began at the last congress of the CPSU .. Those movements that are very few in number, fragmented and there is no common theoretical base, new, which would take into account modern realities, on the foundation that exists ..
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 August 2019 08: 58
            0
            Forgot to act not for, but in spite of!
            Turned brown, got fat ... as a result, forgot how to fight!
            Now there are critics! But those who can offer and can try to implement the proposal .... where are they, into which caves, dugouts have clogged!
            However, those who are clogged can only lead .... underground !!! And we need to light!
  19. samarin1969
    samarin1969 20 August 2019 07: 59
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    The impulse will be short .. and then what? I agree that without an idea there will be no Russia, and an idea can only be social ..

    Your uncompromising patriotism, Svarog, I always support. But now, as a semi-historian, I have never seen or dug up this "social justice" anywhere in the past. Any left-wing ideas make us look carefully for "beneficiaries".

    "Short impulse" ?? ... Reconquista, the Mongol empire, Protestant ethics, British colonies, the Romanov empire, the caliphate of the prophet's heirs, the "Roman world" - these socio-political ideas are hundreds of years old !!!
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 08: 43
      +5
      Quote: samarin1969
      Your uncompromising patriotism, Svarog, I always support. But now, as a semi-historian, I have never seen or dug up this "social justice" anywhere in the past.

      Konstantin, thanks for the support, often we have the same view of what is happening hi
      Quote: samarin1969
      ... Any left-wing ideas force us to look carefully for “beneficiaries”.

      In leftist ideas, the main beneficiary is the people. I understand that you want to say that you should not idealize .. But the ideal, the idea must exist, the ideal must strive for, the ideal is always a deliberately high standard, and the idea is essentially a goal and meaning .. hi
  20. Alex_59
    Alex_59 20 August 2019 08: 06
    +7
    I believe that our idea should be the basic principles of socialism - "Freedom, equality, brotherhood".
    Just don’t immediately throw sneakers at me that say "he wants to go back to the scoop." Not really. It is necessary to separate the true meaning of this idea from its exploitation in the late USSR, where this very idea was seriously distorted and discredited by the actual state of affairs.
    This slogan is not at all communist. This is the slogan of socialism, and socialism is equal opportunity and freedom for everyone, socialism does not deny the foundations of a market economy or entrepreneurship, does not deny the need for a competitive environment. In the form of social democracy, in fact, it took place in European countries. It is social democracy that allows you to combine the fair and equal distribution of benefits, without crushing the entrepreneurial initiative of business. Capitalism with a human face, if you like.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 August 2019 09: 01
      -1
      Quote: Alex_59
      I believe that the basic principles of socialism should become our idea - "Freedom equality Brotherhood"

      Are you a supporter of Mironov (SR)?
      From the SR program "... the program of our party is based on the basic values ​​of socialism: Justice, Freedom and Solidarity ..." http://www.spravedlivo.ru/index
      There you can read about their idea (ideology).
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 20 August 2019 09: 07
        +11
        Quote: Boris55
        Are you a supporter of Mironov (SR)?

        No, I believe that Mr. Mironov and his party are just a fake office, designed to pit in an organized manner dissatisfaction with the current government of that part of society that shares social-democratic views. I don’t feel a sense of sincerity of these party members when I see their faces and hear their speeches — well-fed, contented guys playing their part, to which they were assigned.
        I do not see a real social democratic opposition in our country.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 20 August 2019 09: 12
          -3
          Quote: Alex_59
          I do not see a real social democratic opposition in our country.

          The post below in the last paragraph, I’m writing about this. The prevailing concept will not allow changing the vector of goals: from capitalist to socialist. Not for that, by 40 years, by the time of Gorbachev’s perestroika, they had been preparing to give everything so simply ... We need to study their experience regarding the peaceful transition from one social system to another and taking it into service do the same.
      2. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 20 August 2019 10: 31
        +2
        Promise to marry and marry - things are different .. and these parties ... and especially the essays
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  21. Boris55
    Boris55 20 August 2019 08: 39
    -1
    Quote: RSkomorohohov
    No idea - no Russia, or are there options?

    Well, how is there no idea? We have a variety of ideas - choose which one you like:

    ER - capitalist (exploitation of man-man);
    Communist Party - Communist (equality-fraternity);
    LDPR - liberal democratic (like liberals but at the same time democrats);
    SR - Social Democracy (sort of for socialism but at the same time for democracy), etc.

    There are no parties without an idea. It is the declared idea of ​​a particular party that attracts its members.

    It is another matter that there is a comprehensive idea (concept) over all these ideas, beyond which the existing parties, as carriers of ideas, have no right to go beyond. They don’t disclose it to us. There are two concepts in the limit: the good-natured and the malicious. The dominant concept by all means possible will oppose another.
  22. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 20 August 2019 08: 39
    +2
    To the author a huge + per article, raises very important questions. Regarding the idea in Russia .... to be honest, it is hard to believe that it will appear given that we are living according to the rules of capitalism and even if it appears it should be built into this system or at least not conflict, for example, ideas from communism are definitely not take root in modern Russia .... you need to change the system, but they are definitely not going to change it in the near future. You can certainly follow the path of capitalism in the future, only who will benefit from this in Russia? A small layer of people (oligarchs, top-level officials, big businessmen, etc.) and an ordinary person becomes a cog in this system and he certainly won’t be happy with such a prospect ... therefore IMHO of course, but only after changing the system as a whole, we can say about the idea that will be for the benefit of most citizens, and it’s hard to believe .... so that under capitalism and taking into account Russian realities, where there is still the idea of ​​grabbing more and living richer, something good will work out.
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  24. Sergey Smirnov_3
    Sergey Smirnov_3 20 August 2019 08: 53
    +1
    Thanks for the right words!
    You heard them from the heart of the people.
    No. The soul is weak and depraved.
    More precisely will be:
    From the great Russian Spirit.
    Thanks again..
  25. Ehanatone
    Ehanatone 20 August 2019 09: 01
    +10
    "It's okay that Sechin, Miller and others lose 5 million monthly salaries"
    In a day ,
    Sechin about 9 million,
    Miller about 5 million ...
    On the day
    And another bunch of little things like 1-2 million ...
    In a day ...
    1. AU Ivanov.
      AU Ivanov. 20 August 2019 13: 13
      -8
      Stop envy. Or, at least do it silently.
      1. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 20 August 2019 13: 15
        +4
        "Stop being jealous. Or at least do it silently."
        I tried, not a good one! ... crying
      2. Revival
        Revival 20 August 2019 22: 13
        +1
        This is not envy, this is one of the concrete examples of egregious outrage
  26. verp19
    verp19 20 August 2019 09: 07
    +3
    Bravo to the author !!!
    Who knows what happened to BER (public safety concept) after the death of General Petrov?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 20 August 2019 09: 39
      0
      Quote: verp19
      Who knows what happened to BER (public safety concept) after the death of General Petrov?

      General Petrov was not the creator of BER. He, having studied the theory and taking it into service, tried to become president. When it didn’t work out, he went into Rodnoverie ... Many thanks to him for popularizing, because he understood it, BER ... At the moment, Pyakin VV is engaged in analytics from the BER position on a weekly (on Tuesdays):
      https://fct-altai.ru/
      1. verp19
        verp19 20 August 2019 10: 44
        0
        Quote: Boris55
        At the moment, Pyakin VV is engaged in weekly analysis (on Tuesdays) from the BER position:

        Thank you!
    2. depressant
      depressant 20 August 2019 10: 12
      +10
      In my humble opinion, the main idea that should be the basis of our state and arrange all its nations, peoples and nationalities is the justice of laws, as well as the reasonableness of at least state institutions with respect to at least 70, or even more percent of the population. And every law, device of each institution should be checked by this criterion.
      In order not to be unfounded, I will turn to the same example - RTITS LLC. This is the company of one of the Rotenberg brothers, with state participation through the extremely strange Rostec. According to the latest data, Igor Rotenberg lost 25% of his 50% to his nephew.
      Explain to me, but only clearly, why money arriving at Sberbank through the Platon system does not go directly to the state budget, or to a company that repairs, equips and builds roads, but first passes through the Rotenberg office, in whose pockets it settles a significant part (about 11 billion rubles a year), and only the rest goes to the country's budget - and is it fully funded? An attempt to find out what Rostec is, led to the thought: a very, very strange office. This is true? And so everywhere and throughout the country. It remains to be wondered how we still exist.
      1. BAI
        BAI 20 August 2019 13: 24
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        it is justice of laws

        Our laws are fair, only:
        1. Not all are written.
        2. Not binding for those for whom they are written.
  27. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 20 August 2019 09: 28
    +7
    If there is no state ideology, it does not mean that there is no ideology.
    In the current system, the idea can be formulated as follows: "Indefatigable consumerism in all spheres and the superiority of persons who have accumulated national wealth." The consequence is a decrease in the standard of living of the majority to the brink of survival. A vivid manifestation of the edge is manifested in a decrease in the birth rate and a decrease in the population. If we remove migrants from the statistics, we will see an abyss. No people, no state. The quasi state remains, there is no developing state.
    We need a developing state, not a cog in the global system. Development is provided by people. And we will return to the USSR. There was a jerk that people provided. Yes, there was an ideology whose goal was the education of people striving for perfection. And people were drawn to knowledge. Those whose studies were prevented by the war, studied in evening schools after work, received professional knowledge in evening and correspondence departments. Each large enterprise had technical schools. A healthy lifestyle was cultivated, from industrial gymnastics, organization of rallies, competitions, to schools of the Olympic reserve. I remember the black soot of pipes, huts and factory hoots at 8, 12, 13, 16 hours. start of work, lunch, end of shift. After 25 years, there was a large enterprise, a well-equipped housing stock, schools, kindergartens, dispensaries, recreation centers, a boarding house on the Black Sea. This is a development. What now? Unsuitable boiler house, collapsed transitions and perpetual: tariffs are always higher than normal, the more people pay, the more problems (outages and outages have been added to emergency outages). There is no work, people go to the opposite end of the city. This is a complete degradation, slightly covered by towering shopping centers and the regional FIU. Degradation in all areas. This is a consequence of a hidden state ideology. Officially, there is no ideology, but where liberals lead the people, you can hear from the lips of Gref, Chubais, etc. They need slaves, full control over the minds of the population (the search for not slaves is the enemies of power), and of course income. The main thing is to get into the pocket of those who can barely make ends meet. The current government can visit the noodles on the ears, but the development of the country is impossible, and the authorities do not need development if their interests are outside the country.
    If you save the country, you need an ideology, you need bearers of this ideology, you need people striving for mental and physical perfection, better at the same time. Although sometimes physical ailments do not interfere with mental perfection. Economic development is based not on the clever calculations of the Higher School of Economics and "effective managers" aimed at withdrawing money from the economy, but on the practical calculation of the optimal option for achieving the set goal.
    1. Lidia Akayeva
      Lidia Akayeva 22 August 2019 14: 44
      0
      We read on the Internet "Harmonious Economy or New World Order" Chabanov Vladimir Emelyanovich
  28. Boris55
    Boris55 20 August 2019 09: 32
    -1
    About the picture in the article:

    You’ll go to the right, you will gain people.
    You’re going to lose yourself.
    You’ll go to the left, and you and yourself will lose the people.

    The image of a horse is an image of a people. That is why, all the famous people who enjoy popular love, are depicted in paintings and a statue on horseback.
    1. BAI
      BAI 20 August 2019 13: 28
      0
      At least one example of Christ (if about people - the apostles or the Virgin) on horseback?
      Even easier - Nakhimov, Ushakov?
      Without exception, all the kings (those who are masculine) - on horseback. Does everyone enjoy popular love?
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 August 2019 17: 18
      -1
      Quote: Boris55
      The image of a horse is an image of a people. That is why, all the famous people who enjoy popular love, are depicted in paintings and a statue on horseback.

      What kind of game did you write? Do you want to say that the hero’s opa sat on the back of the people who, at the same time, worship this opu?
  29. New Year day
    New Year day 20 August 2019 09: 39
    +6
    And why did they decide that the authorities have no idea? The idea is to build a state according to a Western model. At least, the organizational transformation of education and healthcare is proceeding according to Western standards. But there are poor and unemployed - but they must be. For the formation of the elite, power and money are needed - we see the theft and dominance of United Russia.
    It's just that many people don’t like this idea of ​​power.
    So the authorities do not give a damn about it, because "the state is me!" Yes, and Volodin confirms this.
    So there is an idea.
    And the authorities will try to keep this idea. Indeed, in North Korea, too, there is an idea, and they live
  30. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 20 August 2019 10: 09
    +3
    No, all these papers, on the basis of which the system of school (and preschool, too) education was destroyed, the nightmare that is happening today in healthcare, the total mess in the Ministry of Culturelessness - everything was signed exclusively by citizens of the Russian Federation.

    Signed, but at whose direction? Whose recommendations are the Ministry of Finance and others still implementing? Those. they are just performers. Just like in Ukraine.
    Fortresses are strong defenders, but they themselves do not fall without external influence (without the force of universal gravitation, including).
  31. Avior
    Avior 20 August 2019 10: 22
    +2
    But it is interesting that the Chinese have such an idea, how did the Avon turn around? Maybe borrow from them?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 August 2019 11: 56
      0
      And the idea is quite so-so:
      Love for the people, harmony. The humanism (jen) of the "perfect man" (tszyun tzu) is the ideal of Confucianism.
      sad
  32. comradChe
    comradChe 20 August 2019 10: 24
    +1
    "Return the bastards optimism! »Album by Timur Shaov. Listen, laugh, compare. From the lack of mind and lack of self-criticism, the herd instinct has won. And the game on immortal human vices is the essence of modern politics.
  33. Igor Pa
    Igor Pa 20 August 2019 10: 34
    -3
    Quote: Dalny V
    better with executions, but so that the population grows

    And if they shoot you and your family? Why do you need such a homeland? They will be written down as enemies of the people for 10 generations ahead. And your grand-nephew will become Kasparov and will broadcast from Lithuania about the victims of the bloody regime.
  34. Smirnov Mikhail
    Smirnov Mikhail 20 August 2019 11: 12
    +2
    And one more Egorov .. Again, our well-being, sausage, yachts, salaries and other consumer waste .. When will you finally get drunk?
  35. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 20 August 2019 11: 17
    +2
    I am often visited by a strange thought, which is headed by one question. Is it so difficult to rule the state? Here, judge for yourself, in order to start driving, you need to go through a certain training course, I'm not talking about the plane, how difficult it is, even children know. It is far from everyone needs to study, train, and finish the learning process for a long time. And to become the head of state? Once it was enough for this to be born in a royal family, but now that you are chosen and it does not matter who you were before.
    An idea is needed, but you can ask to whom, there is no specific person, but a certain layer of society. An idea is born in a person when he tries to look into the future, then he begins to strain, on the subject of what he must fix now, so that this future becomes a reality. A young man who has plenty in the form of guaranteed support for his parents, if he is not an open minx, wants to master a certain profession, his parents want the same, but they are adults and understand that one desire is not enough. If in their objections they are at least somewhat able to break away from everyday life, they understand that stability is needed and what is usually called a beautiful word, prosperity. Prosperity of the motherland, what is not an idea?
  36. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 20 August 2019 11: 30
    +8
    Well, I'm not a communist, but you have a lot of bright, young heads who speak very correctly - the same Vladislav Zhukovsky. It is a pity that we do not have such youth, I would vote for it. We need a just peace, without the thieves and the oligarchy.
    1. misanthrope_2
      misanthrope_2 2 September 2019 15: 34
      0
      on the other hand, when doing business, there are young spitters from a rotten apple.
  37. Engineer
    Engineer 20 August 2019 11: 37
    +5
    The author mixes the national idea and the political (economic) program. Our government has a national idea and it is clearly visible. This is a modified "Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality". She may not like it, but she is.
    It’s just that everything needs to be put on the altar of the new Idea of ​​the Russian World. Voluntarily.
    Manilovism again? Maybe enough to soar in the clouds?
    The Russian world cracked and crashed. In the Donbass, BOTH parties speak Russian and this does not stop them from killing each other. In Belarus, people do not want the actual unification and they can be understood - they will turn from a bride to an ordinary Cinderella at the level of the Kemerovo Region, which can be beaten. Russia did nothing to return the Russians from the former republics. Especially economically active part. As a result, this part was integrated, left for the West or marginalized. And a cherry on a cake - take a walk in Moscow in Lublino. This is what they give us those who scream the loudest thing about the Russian world.
    The Russian world today is the same phantom as "the current generation will live under communism." Worse, this is yet another power-pedaled lure.
    1. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 21 August 2019 20: 18
      0
      Orthodoxy, autocracy, fatherland.
      From all this, even under Nicholas II, after Tsushima only "Fatherland" remained. He did not understand this and ruined himself and the Empire. You consider Putin an autocrat. Even in the first two terms of his reign, it flashed that 30% of his instructions were not being carried out, which autocrat would tolerate it. The idea was to improve people's lives. After the devastation that was under Yeltsin, we really managed to achieve improvements, to achieve that our country began to be respected again in the international arena. T. E. Putin and his entourage managed to achieve changes for the better not in all spheres and this became the object of criticism.
    2. misanthrope_2
      misanthrope_2 2 September 2019 15: 31
      0
      the Russians did nothing for the Russian world, and who gave us this. In 1917 and in1991, they carried out behind-the-scenes revolutions and now they speculated that he was at the right time and in the right place and he was on horseback in power. I don’t know how to17, to 91 Russian man worked hard in three shifts he was not up to revolutions. that’s how they married us without us .. at the top both those who were in the right place at the right time were sitting and sitting. Russian Ivan as they did not ask and do not ask what the people want.
  38. andrew42
    andrew42 20 August 2019 11: 48
    +3
    In general, I agree. "Back to the Future!" (from the current gloomy zigzag to the feudal-capitalist past). But, unfortunately, the present nobility cannot be understood with such articles. And somehow it sounded absolutely desperate and hopeless: "You just need to put everything on the altar of the new Idea of ​​the Russian World. Voluntarily." You can get only one answer to this: "The Chief Bourgeois laughed here ..." Let's say I'm ready to put it down, but in fact I don't have a damn thing. And who has really raked up assets in 25 years - yeah, right now, will he voluntarily run and put it down? Of course not. The builder of the "bridge to the Future" can only be an organized and united political party with a Socialist ideology, and without any false "social democracy" there, with a rigid system of "self-cleaning" of its ranks. And if there is no builder, there is no bridge.
  39. 1536
    1536 20 August 2019 12: 53
    +1
    Today again there are conversations that it is necessary to let foreigners into Russia for management, so that they teach us the unreasonable wits. And also that we do not have a people as such, but there are citizens living in a given territory, managing it badly or in any way, completely mired in corruption, giving rise to feudal relations and living in them. Obscurantism, in a word, continues on 1/6 of the land? And, as a result, the idea is put forward that Russian is a "state of mind" and not a nationality (based on "genetic research" and according to N.V. Gogol), that there are other peoples who have lived on our territory for thousands of years, but how they would leave separately from us, and now again, ready to come and rule, because they are the leaders of everything and everyone. In my opinion, it smells like a yoke a mile away, but according to modern - ordinary racism, impudent, undisguised, crazy.
    Therefore, today two slogans should be proclaimed, namely, the first one: "The Russian people are one and indivisible people." And, second: "The Russian people live on a single and indivisible territory of Russia."
    Otherwise, again, all these "knights in sheep's skins" will plunge us into the abyss of fragmentation, indeed, feudal, following the example of 1991.
  40. tank64rus
    tank64rus 20 August 2019 12: 55
    +1
    Two peoples in one country. 5% versus 95%.
  41. Karislav
    Karislav 20 August 2019 12: 55
    +1
    we now have an IDEA - this is CORRUPTION. everything is simple
  42. Private89
    Private89 20 August 2019 13: 15
    +1
    The current system engenders wild competition in the name of its own good. Not surprisingly, partnership and fraternity under such a system are vestiges. There is no understanding that the public good is also your personal good. Why does a simple doctor or worker need people who accumulate huge wealth in their hands, what good is it ?!
  43. Corn
    Corn 20 August 2019 13: 23
    -3
    Ideology is the same "opium for the people", only not in profile, but in full face.
    And we have an ideology, it has survived in the same way that it has been in Russia for many centuries - "Orthodoxy, autocracy, nationality."
    Our state is not building 3 new churches a day, so what kind of lack of ideology does Roman Skomorokhov soar about?
    1. Private89
      Private89 20 August 2019 13: 43
      +1
      The gentlemen of power have one ideology - enrich yourself. If the essence of the system is not justice, it’s possible to build a million temples, and an ordinary person will not live better from this. Better let the church guide our authority on the true path.
      1. Corn
        Corn 20 August 2019 14: 24
        0
        Quote: Private 89
        The gentlemen of power have one ideology - enrich yourself.

        Absolutely any adequate and healthy person has such an ideology, this is completely normal, we will leave tales about kings / leaders / officials for the people who take care of the people for the kindergarten children who believe in Santa Claus. The problem of the crumbling Russian world is not in ideology and not in the "wrong government", but in the people who allow them to criminally profit at their own expense.
        it’s possible to build a million temples, it’s better for an ordinary person to live on this
        why would a "common man" live better if 86% of Russians fully support our Vladimir Vladimirovich and the line of his party ???
        Better let the church guide our authority on the true path.
        Not really - "who dines a girl, he dances her." Tens of thousands of churches, Mercedes, airplanes and estates - all this costs money, and they need to be worked out.
      2. AU Ivanov.
        AU Ivanov. 21 August 2019 20: 45
        -1
        Excellent ideology, by the way: get rich! A rich citizen is a rich country. The main thing: do not stop people from getting rich.
    2. andrew42
      andrew42 21 August 2019 19: 38
      +1
      Yes, even 100 churches a day, if the thirst for loot is pumped into "indulgences" - it will not change anything. Leave religion aside, for God's sake. It is impossible without ideology. The ideological level is certainly not God knows what a high level of government. There and higher should be: conceptual, philosophical (the system of values ​​of the ethnos), etc. But without ideology it is impossible, as without a manual. Without this, society (if it is not a herd of sheep) does not understand why we live and work. Without ideology, the "Elita" has endless possibilities to powder the brains of the rest of the population - today to the right, tomorrow to the left, a few promises, more nuts - and not bear any responsibility for this. And personal responsibility is needed, oh, how necessary.
  44. Private89
    Private89 20 August 2019 13: 32
    +2
    Gianni Rodari

    We are in our country - as foreigners - strangers for a long time
    Not a word in Russian. Fitness centers, music halls, cinema
    Whatever you turn on - a washing machine, laptop, TV, iron
    Didn't you like my bow? Ansabscribe, you are no longer my friend!
    The factory entrance is closed. There will be a massage parlor.
    The last iPhone will give the bearded son a milf
    The spilled sea - overseas, strange speech
    Nowhere to hide: be silent. Do not growl - or head off your shoulders.
    Do not be sad, hrust, Pinocchio! Save and buy.
    Accumulated - bury. Steal, plant, sit.
    Do you have a mortgage? We have a disco, dance!
    Without selling a person, do not buy a person. Bank!
    Let the noodles on the ears and the cabbage bloom in the beard
    Let it be empty in the head and in the soul, but not in the stomach.
    Do not anger the patriarch - you will receive relics in the soup
    Do not teach the oligarch what to proclaim to vegetables.
    Trust in spiritual bonds, indulge supervisor's gaze
    Suddenly he will notice you from the Signor Tomato carriage?

    Whose castle is it? Marquise-Karabas
    Whose field is this? Marquise-Karabas
    Whose plant is it? Marquise-Karabas
    Whose people are these? Marquise-Karabas
  45. iouris
    iouris 20 August 2019 13: 34
    +2
    There are no options, for it is said in the Scripture: at the beginning there was an idea!
    The idea of ​​the absence of an idea is thrown to us only in order to hide the real goals of the dominant ideology. Perhaps these goals are unbearably beautiful.
  46. Mihail55
    Mihail55 20 August 2019 14: 06
    +1
    I absolutely agree with Roman! They are holding us for idiots ??? For the whole mess in the country they decided to threaten some uncle from behind the fence with a finger !!!! Eh ... "servants of the people" !!!! Oh, how hard it is to create an idea ... but without it Russia could collapse !!! That up there - DO NOT care! But we are still alive ... both children and grandchildren. I hope our country has not become impoverished with smart heads ... Let's break through !!!!
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      1. iouris
        iouris 20 August 2019 14: 35
        +1
        There are no state statistics in this state. What they give us for statistics is data for which no one is responsible. The collection of primary information, its processing and presentation do not correspond to scientific principles. Data on real incomes are not available. There is nothing to talk and argue about.
  47. Victor Orthodox
    Victor Orthodox 20 August 2019 14: 22
    -1
    Everything in the article is correctly said. I don’t understand what kind of run over patriots? Or does the author believe that nobody needs the riches and resources of Russia? That there are no foreign sharks who want to take away stolen from our oligarchs? Maybe we’ll suggest not to fight if the country is attacked? All the same, we protect the oligarchs.
    To begin with, a national idea should be for everyone:
    1 Stop whining and go to work
    2 Stop being a liability in politics
    3 Give birth to a third child
    4 To do something worthwhile at least once in your life, for example, to convict an official or a cop taking a bribe, to do something useful for everyone. If every person at least once in a life restores justice, then there will be no more injustice.
  48. Lycan
    Lycan 20 August 2019 14: 23
    -2
    You still need to decide:
    or
    Not to be a herd is the original and age-old essence of that same mysterious Russian soul

    or
    we need ideology

    If common, then both directions are not compatible. And if they are compatible, then only in words - to the detriment of one of the ways:
    a) or a citizen free from "Komsomol bit" and brainwashing, but without "tasty bonuses" (and in obedience to the Komsomol - a herd);
    b) or such a person as now, the state does not have a distinct development vector (except for patriotism - according to Putin www.rbc.ru/politics/03/02/2016/56b1f8a79a7947060162a5a7 ) and the free market under controlled legislation is the only "gospel" of today's reality.

    PS: Even if this is an "Idea", then the own will of several nomenklaturars will not be enough for the path to its implementation. We'll have to "harness" the population strata free from coercion ...
  49. Honest Citizen
    Honest Citizen 20 August 2019 14: 36
    +2
    But what is the bad idea of ​​socialism?
    Only because Putin said there is no return?
    So I'll quote it again now
    “Is return possible? Socialism in full is unlikely. The country has changed. This is possible only through very difficult internal conflicts. Do we need them? Political forces of such views can control the country, I do not exclude this. They can win people's sympathy and gain a foothold in the upper echelons of power. But will it be good? I don't know, ”Putin said.
    According to him, it's one thing to nationalize everything, another thing to make it work well.

    That's all, actually. Putin is afraid that everything will be taken from him and his friends. "Through difficult internal conflicts".
    I believe that it is better to amputate a finger than to lose the whole arm, and then the body.
    It is clear that those at the trough will be against it. But in general, that's the idea. You just need to "restore" it, remove all unnecessary, add a new one. Social socialist state.
    1. Campanella
      Campanella 21 August 2019 11: 05
      +1
      I agree. By the way, you might think that in their hands it works well? They removed all the social burden from them, gave preferences .... The president casts a shadow on the fence.
  50. Oleg1
    Oleg1 20 August 2019 14: 58
    -2
    Quote: iouris
    There are no state statistics in this state. What they give us for statistics is data for which no one is responsible. The collection of primary information, its processing and presentation do not correspond to scientific principles. Data on real incomes are not available. There is nothing to talk and argue about.

    Give your statistics with a link to the source ... no. You vainly hit the clave. They believed the regime’s rods in the 80s, now there are no fools ...