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The best military historical museum of Russia and its history

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“Crown-like reinforcement”


Currently militaryhistorical The Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps (VIMAIViVS) is located in the historical part of the northern capital in the so-called Kronverka - auxiliary fortification of the St. Petersburg (Peter and Paul) Fortress. Translated from German, Kronverk means “crown reinforcement” and the structure is indeed a bird's eye view very much like a royal headdress. The main task of Kronverk was to protect the Peter and Paul Fortress from the Swedish attack from the north, however, none of these fortifications managed to take part in the hostilities. True, there is an opinion that in 1705 the Swedes tried unsuccessfully to seize the newly built Peter and Paul Fortress and this episode was the impetus for the construction in the northern part of the earth Kronverka.




The new fortification was located on an artificial island, which was called the Artillery Island, and was supposed to prevent the attackers from concentrating their forces to strike at the main fortress on Hare Island. The fronts of Kronverka have a bastion style of the French school with small orillons (from the French orillon - “eye”), which allow conducting longitudinal fire from the reinforcement, that is, protecting the walls from flanking attacks. In accordance with all the rules, ravelins, or triangular fortifications separate from the main structure, located in front of the water channel, were placed in front of the fronts. Kronverk's escarp, counter-escarp and Kapuniri were built from earth and wood in those days.


Plan of Kronverk and Peter and Paul Fortress



Entrance Hall of the Military History Museum of Artillery, Engineering and Signal Corps






At the entrance to the museum there are a couple of exhibits that are not directly related to the artillery theme of the collection


Since 1706 of the year, they began to attract stone for construction - fencing for protection against erosion by water was protected by granite scarp. Housing casemates were also located on Kronverka from the inside, and under each flank (fortification located perpendicular to the front of the fortress) there were two-tier defensive casemates. Throughout the 17th century, the northern defender of the Peter and Paul Fortress was modernized and rebuilt at the initiative of both Peter I and his associates. One way or another, Count and General Burchard Christoph von Munnich, Prince Ludwig of Hesse-Gomburgsky, Count Peter Ivanovich Shuvalov, as well as military engineer and general-general Abram Petrovich Hannibal, great-grandfather of Alexander Pushkin invested in the development of Kronverk. Decades after the erection, both the St. Petersburg Fortress and its northern defender became outdated and became part of the magnificent St. Petersburg panorama. However, the main fortress overshadowed Kronverk both in terms of historical value and literally - in order to see the fortification from the city center, it is necessary to bypass the Peter and Paul walls.

Peter the Great Museum


If we compare the age of Kronverk, which now houses the artillery museum, with the age of the cannon assembly, it turns out that the first artillery pieces began to be collected back in the 1703 year. That is, two years before the laying of the first timber-earth Kronverka. And much earlier than the famous Kunstkamera, which Peter I laid down in the 1714 year, and which many mistakenly consider the oldest museum in Russia. Where were the first exhibits of the future artillery assembly located? In the Peter and Paul Fortress in a wooden shophouse by order of Peter I. And the first head and custodian of the exhibition was Sergey Leontyevich Bukhvostov, whom the Russian tsar in his youth called the "first Russian soldier." In the amusing troops of the young Peter the Great, Bukhvostov once occupied the post of "amusing gunman."

The best military historical museum of Russia and its history

Sergey Leontyevich Bukhvostov


To fill the exposition required a lot of effort, since in the days of that time, all their spent and obsolete weapons were melted down to create new cannons or bells. Still, copper, iron and bronze were not the most readily available materials. In the decrees of Peter I, one can see in this regard the requirements for the military leaders of all cities of Russia about the need for strict accounting, inventory and storage of all guns and maszhers (mortars). The most outstanding weapons were ordered to be sent to the exposition of the nascent museum in the Peter and Paul Tseykhgauz. So, in the first years, 30 guns with 7 mortars arrived from Smolensk at once. Often the tsar himself examined the weapons prepared for disposal, of which the most interesting were sent to the museum. And even at a turning point after the Battle of Narva, when the army was in dire need of armory metals, accumulated in the zeichhaus, the guns did not go to total melting. The severity of the situation is evidenced by the numerous facts of the melting of bells seized from existing temples and churches. The state took this step only after the approval of the church.

Over time, to replenish the collection with “inverter, curious and memorable” exhibits, they began to attract merchants who bought weapons abroad. A noteworthy story in this connection is the example of the Swedish merchant Johann Prim, who acquired the old Russian cannon Inrog for the collection in 1723 in Stockholm and brought this colossus to his homeland. The artillery administration then wrote:
"This gun is not required in artillery and henceforth cannot be valid, but it was bought only for a curiosity and seeing that it is old Russian."




96-mm bronze gun "Red Lion" from the Estonian Revel. Cast in 1559 year. Weight 1597 kilogram, length 4 meters. The carriage is not native, made in the year 1850


In 1776 in St. Petersburg on Liteiny Prospect a three-story artillery arsenal of Count Orlov appeared, in which the second floor was completely transferred to the needs of the museum from the Peter and Paul Museum. By the end of the 18th century, the oldest museum in Russia also became the largest military historical museum in the world. True, it is closed for free access by visitors until 1808, when, together with the first visitors, a new life begins in the collection of military values. Catalogs, guidebooks are compiled, and the painstaking work of classifying and restoring exhibits begins. The memorable hall in the artillery arsenal of St. Petersburg for the first time coped with the influx of visitors, until the wars of the early to mid-19th century filled the collection with captured weapons. A unique collection of values ​​required new areas, but then suddenly the building of the Oryol arsenal was transferred to the Ministry of Justice for the placement of the court. This happened in the 1864 year and the entire collection of weapons was kept in basements and inappropriate warehouses for four years. It was at this moment that Russia could lose valuable exhibits of the artillery collection of Peter. But very timely, the emperor Alexander II himself intervened in the matter, who in 1868 ordered to transfer the assembly of many thousands to the stone, by that time, Kronverk Peter and Paul Fortress. Since that time, the official name of the Peter the Great Museum has become “The Hall of Memorable Objects of the Main Artillery Directorate”.






Heavy 122-mm gun "Dog" from Saxony. The name of the weapon was, as in many other cases, in the form of dolphins - curly loops on the barrel, designed to move the gun. Made in 1618 year. Weight - 1898 kg, length - 3620 mm. Carriage fake, dated 1850 year



Here in this state is part of the exposure. There is not even a description of the guns


Clover became stony for a rather paradoxical reason - revolutions began in Europe, leading to the overthrow of the royal dynasties. In this regard, Nicholas I decided to protect himself and the state from the "revolutionary infection" by building a mass of fortresses throughout Russia. In 1848, the construction of a two-story arsenal building on the site of the wooden-earth Kronverka was begun. In 1860, all work was completed and the powerful red stone fortification was officially named the “New Arsenal in Kronverka”. After 8 years in the walls of the fortress they found a place for exhibits of the Peter the Great’s meeting, which by that time had more than 150 years old.

At the beginning of the 20th century, a lot of tests fell on the lot of the artillery museum. At first they wanted to transfer him to the Peter and Paul Fortress, and at the meeting place they planned to place the Mint. In 1917, when the Germans were eager for the capital, the exhibits of the museum had to be evacuated to Yaroslavl. This was largely due to the huge amount of gun bronze for which the Germans had special plans - for them it was a strategically important resource. The revolution also did not spare the exhibits. Both in Yaroslavl and in Petrograd a lot of archival data burned, a collection of banners, a collection of trophies and documents. 1924 year brought another disaster - a devastating flood, which flooded a considerable part of the exposure.

The latest history of the museum


After the Great Patriotic War and the period of the most difficult restoration of the museum, collections were continuously replenished with new exhibits. These were both captured models and the latest developments of the Soviet military industry, many of which bore the status of prototypes. It was in the postwar period that the museum finally focused on the artillery profile and exhibits from the Quartermaster’s collection and many historical military-medical equipment were removed from the collection. Also in small museums are sprayed collections of hats, military uniforms, the Suvorov collection and religious objects. In 1963, the Central Historical Military Engineering Museum joined the exposition in Kronverka, and two years later the Military Communications Museum.
Now in the exposition of the Artillery Museum there are more than 630 thousand exhibits of which 447 are located on an external platform in the open air. The meeting itself, which I managed to meet in mid-August, leaves a rather controversial impression. On the one hand, the museum is filled with unique equipment and weapons, many of which date back to the 16th-17th centuries. In total there are 13 halls on a total area of ​​about 17 thousand square meters. The Kronverk building itself is of considerable historical value, and even its content is even more so. The museum is accessible - it is easy to find in St. Petersburg and it is open five days a week, and you can get to the open exhibition absolutely free.






Huge German anti-tank 8,8-cm gun PAK 43 / 41. Gun mass more than 4 tons. It is noteworthy that all the Nazi guns in the museum are standing with their trunks down


On the other hand, for a modern museum, the design is very modest. Especially when compared with the modern hangars of the museum complex in Patriot Park near Moscow. Many halls lack elementary lighting of exhibits, and the most valuable trunks of medieval cannons are piled like logs in the museum. In addition, the halls of the artillery assembly are in a permanent state of repair and you are unlikely to be able to visit them all at once. Firstly, the part will be closed for repairs, and secondly, there will not be enough time for a thorough inspection - the museum works from 11.00 to 17.00. Despite this, the museum’s collections and the atmosphere inside it are unique. Nowhere in Russia will you find such a large gathering of witnesses to the world of cannon and military engineering history. Each hall of the museum requires separate attention and a separate story.
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  1. RuSFr
    RuSFr 23 August 2019 04: 52
    +4
    Thanks to the author for an interesting article!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 August 2019 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: RuSFr
      Thanks to the author for an interesting article!

      I join with hope for the future !!!!!!
    2. igordok
      igordok 23 August 2019 14: 44
      +1
      Tell me, are the exhibits on the outer contour of the crown, available for visiting? Judging by the pictures, there are a lot of interesting things.

      1. Evgeny Fedorov
        23 August 2019 14: 52
        +3
        I doubt that they are available. There were definitely no visitors. And the state of technology there is not the latest. They are still not bronze ... By the way, the one and only exhibit in the open exposition is covered by a canopy. This is SU-76.
        1. igordok
          igordok 23 August 2019 14: 56
          +1
          I heard that this part of Kronverk is available for cadets of military (or only artillery) schools, for educational and patriotic events. Is this true?
          1. Evgeny Fedorov
            23 August 2019 15: 04
            +3
            I’ll hardly explain here. I only know that two days a week (Monday, Tuesday) the museum is closed. At this time, the museum has a unique historical library. And there are just a lot of visitors from military schools and so on.
  2. Phil77
    Phil77 23 August 2019 06: 46
    +6
    Thank you Eugene for an interesting article! But the questions ... First: is it not better for the museum to close (conditionally) for a year or two and to make repairs normally than to be in a state of permanent repair? Second: is the guns on the ground? Well, it’s somehow not quite right, no? And the exposition is certainly gorgeous! And after it! And why the barrels of the German guns are omitted? Any ideological meaning?
    1. alekc75
      alekc75 23 August 2019 07: 43
      +13
      the barrel is lowered as an adversary’s banner when surrendering
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 23 August 2019 08: 50
        +2
        Yes, probably in this some kind of symbolism is observed!
        1. AU Ivanov.
          AU Ivanov. 23 August 2019 10: 04
          +3
          This means: woe to the vanquished. Vae victis.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 23 August 2019 10: 15
            +2
            Accepted! Thanks for the answer!
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 August 2019 08: 38
      +1
      Quote: Phil77
      Second: guns on the ground? Well, this is somehow not quite right, is it?

      For bronze guns, outdoor seating is a common thing all over the world.
      Bronze - a material for monuments in the open air and a noble patina is considered their decoration

      For example, the guns of the Borodino Museum are also in the open:
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 23 August 2019 08: 48
        +2
        Andrey! I welcome you! You yourself answered my question, compare how the guns are located in Borodino and in this museum. After all, is there a difference? Yes, I know about the properties of bronze, Tsaritsyno is not far!
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 August 2019 08: 54
          -2
          Quote: Phil77
          Andrey! I welcome you! You yourself answered my question, compare how the guns are located in Borodino and in this museum. After all, is there a difference? Yes, I know about the properties of bronze, Tsaritsyno is not far!

          Hello Sergey! The principle is one - in an open area, not in the hall, without signs, with a large mass.
          The sites themselves, yes, are different, but Borodino, as far as I know, is after repair
          Quote: Phil77
          Tsaritsyno is not far!

          Neighbors, means: when I am in Moscow I live in Klimovsk
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 23 August 2019 08: 59
            +2
            Zemlyayayakkk! I have several guys from Klimovsk working at the factory. But on the topic: you can argue about storage: the Museum of the Soviet Army, an open exposition, all exhibits with plates! And again: guns on the ground? Well, it’s not comme il faut!
      2. evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru
        evgeniy.plotnikov.2019mail.ru 23 August 2019 16: 21
        -5
        There is nothing good about it. ,, Aliens ,, not interested in the history of Russia. Therefore, open-air cannons, planes, tanks, combat vehicles ... People are interested in the history of people. Inhumans are indifferent to her
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 19
          +1
          In the courtyard of the Museum there are always a lot of people. You can get close, touch. Take pictures.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 23 August 2019 14: 50
      +1
      Phil, the question was removed from the tongue: why did the German guns drop their trunks. Maybe as a sign that they are no longer threatening?
      1. alstr
        alstr 24 August 2019 11: 31
        0
        By analogy with enemy banners - a sign of defeat.
    4. Alf
      Alf 23 August 2019 19: 03
      -1
      Quote: Phil77
      First: is it not better for the museum to close (conditionally) for a year or two and to make repairs normally than to be in a state of permanent repair?

      As a rule, the main and only reason for permanent repair is the lack of constant funding, this is not Shoigu's favorite toy in the form of a Patriot.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 24 August 2019 15: 17
        0
        Quote: Alf
        it's not a favorite toy

        And they expectedly dragged here ... laughing That is, in Soviet times, the authorities also had "other toys" if even then some of the halls were constantly closed, incl. due to renovations, and the external exposition was also ... believe it ... in the open air. yes
        1. Alf
          Alf 25 August 2019 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Paranoid50
          That is, in Soviet times, the authorities also had "other toys"

          In the USSR, museums were also financed "on a leftover basis."
  3. kind
    kind 23 August 2019 07: 05
    +3
    I was there, very interesting and informative!
    1. igordok
      igordok 23 August 2019 07: 23
      +6
      Happened, more than once. But every time he left with the thought "You can't embrace the immensity"
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 23 August 2019 12: 52
        +2
        About the "Dog" "and other cannons. What kind of dolphins are there? Typical dog faces! Well, the body --- some kind of sea monster, decorated with details of floral ornament !!! By the way, on many other guns of this museum are depicted in the form of pens, a variety of animals, mainly sea animals - snakes, fish, wolves, dragons, monsters, etc. Animals are all different from each other, at least slightly! Each cannon --- INDIVIDUALITY !!!
        Even Alexei Nikolaevich Tolstoy in the novel "Peter I" "mentioned Russian cannons with separate NAMES --- Bear, Deer, etc., by the names of animals engraved on the barrels of the guns. I would say that there, on the street, I saw not engravings (!), But low reliefs of fantastic animals, pagan! Amazing feeling !!! In my opinion, making a low relief is technically difficult. Why did you need this ??? They did it!
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 23 August 2019 13: 02
          +1
          I venture to suggest: for beauty and grandeur! hi
          1. Alf
            Alf 23 August 2019 19: 04
            +1
            Quote: Phil77
            I venture to suggest: for beauty and grandeur! hi

            Moreover, guns were then piece goods.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 23 August 2019 19: 15
              0
              Yes, as well as the masters in their manufacture. Just casters, I would not dare to call them. Steeper! Much cooler!
        2. Evgeny Fedorov
          23 August 2019 13: 38
          +3
          Dolphins are the very ears in the middle of the cannon barrel for which the guns were moving. And on the specified gun dolphins in the form of dogs. Such a pun
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 August 2019 13: 53
            +2
            Thanks, thanks! There are birdheads, but I don’t remember ears or reliefs! I happen every year, if the weather is in ++++, then I will literally stroke every little animal., At least in relief, at least in volume! And begins magic: the failure of the space-time in ANOTHER WORLD
            1. Evgeny Fedorov
              23 August 2019 15: 14
              +3
              Now it’s unlikely to be able to stroke. Fenced exhibit in the courtyard.

              By the way, here is another photo of the "careful" attitude to the history of weapons

              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 07
                +2
                Wonderful photos !!!!! Dear Author !!!!! Last year was in the winter, but this has not been. And the Museum of Political History postponed, and the Museum of the History of Medicine on Kamennoostrovsky postponed for a long time .....
                1. d ^ Amir
                  d ^ Amir 28 September 2019 12: 56
                  0
                  I barely left the museum of steam locomotives ... so impressed ..
        3. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 August 2019 13: 46
          +3
          Quote: Reptiloid
          In my opinion, making a low relief is technically difficult.

          Not at all. Figures were molded from clay on the model of the gun, and then the mold was made for casting.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 04
            +1
            Yes, Vladimir, I get it. All the same, it was more time consuming than without reliefs. Our ancestors had such a need --- to decorate the guns with images wild strong beasts!! The oldest pagan symbols, totems, symbol and mythical ancestor of the clan, talisman, amulet, amulet! For the ancient Russians, these are huge, animals were considered carriers terrible power !!! Something like that.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 23 August 2019 17: 19
              +2
              Quote: Reptiloid
              . All the same, it was more time consuming than without reliefs.

              Yes, this is like the last touch to complete the work. And show a class of craftsmanship. I perfectly understand the casters, they did not want monotony. Did Bazhov even write about a saber with a horse and wings?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 25
                +1
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                .... Yes, this is like the last touch to complete the work. And show a class of craftsmanship. I perfectly understand the casters, they did not want monotony. Did Bazhov even write about a saber with a horse and wings?
                These were our ancestors !!!!! Perhaps they would not like today's utilitarianism?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 23 August 2019 17: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Perhaps they would not like today's utilitarianism?

                  So after all, a foundry is not a CNC machine. At our enterprise we poured pans for ourselves, they decorated it like that, with nothing to do.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 35
                    +1
                    Well, maybe there’s nothing to do from nothing, but to carry out some kind of good dream, to try what's new, that no one did?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 23 August 2019 18: 08
                      +2
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      to try what's new that no one has done?

                      Well, for example, I smelted money like that, I tried signets, someone - candlesticks, images of Stalin, or a blacksmith there. My uncle was in the Urals, he gave me the cross, he himself melted:
                      1. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 23 August 2019 21: 05
                        +2
                        Great simple! To you and your uncle ---- Respect! +++++
                        Do not count the talents of the Russian Land!
        4. vladcub
          vladcub 23 August 2019 14: 55
          +3
          It is immediately evident that the person carefully read Alexei Tolstoy, and that is, such "readers" that: "he looks into the book, but sees a fig"
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 August 2019 17: 09
            0
            I read it a long time ago, in childhood, and now after an article and comments --- aamo remembered !!!!! On emotions, apparently!
  4. Ivan7527
    Ivan7527 23 August 2019 07: 05
    +3
    Rostov the Great also stands on the star bastion on the maps it is clearly visible. And such a place is full
    1. Edward Vashchenko
      Edward Vashchenko 23 August 2019 08: 42
      +4
      Ivan,
      this is not true,
      Rostov the Great is directly a classic Russian (Old Russian) city, and the stars of the bastions (Petropavlovka) are the invention of French military engineering thought of the 17th century. The coincidence is random.
      And such places are full, however, where in the XVIII - the fortress was erected in a star-like manner.
      Even the Turkish fortress of Enikale in Kerch is stellar)
      1. igordok
        igordok 23 August 2019 12: 40
        +3
        In those days, many, even "classical Russian" fortresses were reinforced with bastion structures.

        1. alstr
          alstr 24 August 2019 11: 35
          +1
          I add that almost all the fortresses in the West received the bastions during the Northern War.
          After capture, the same Nut was supplemented with bastions and they are also still visible.
  5. Edward Vashchenko
    Edward Vashchenko 23 August 2019 08: 39
    +5
    Excellent article, thank you!
    really the best weapons museum in our country,
    Unfortunately, the expositions are very outdated, all the same not 1950, but 2019, especially according to the fantastic old Russian collection. What is the arrow from a siege crossbow!
    repair is of course necessary.
    We, as usual, against the background, I’m not afraid of this word of the world's best collections of weapons, in many types of collections (the same tanks), a disgusting modern presentation.
    Thanks to the author!
    1. UA3QHP
      UA3QHP 23 August 2019 08: 54
      +2
      An interesting museum, but the windows are very poorly decorated. Signatures on a transparent background are very difficult to read.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 23 August 2019 09: 03
        +2
        Here I am! The most powerful patronage: the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of Culture (do you have money for stupid films?) Well, is it really impossible to put in order such a wonderful museum?
        1. Edward Vashchenko
          Edward Vashchenko 23 August 2019 09: 44
          +4
          I completely agree with you,
          True patronage does not change anything.
          Museums have no relation to the Minboron now, to remove the Museum of the Navy from the arrow of Vasilyevsky Island, such nonsense is hard to imagine. There were a huge number of exhibits in the museum in the storerooms (I was there in practice) - it was necessary to expand the exposition, but it was removed.
          Even the Armed Forces Museum in Moscow, of course, has become much better lately, but you can’t compare it with the pompous Army Museum in Istanbul: this is where the respect for the army and its history is felt.
          And in our country, even the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Borodino was organized by the Ministry of Culture, not the Army, like "the affairs of bygone days, more faithful to the distant antiquity" ...
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 23 August 2019 10: 10
            +4
            Hello Edward! Well, you know, it just doesn’t fit in my head! Museums have a direct (well, there is no more direct !!!) attitude to the Russian armed forces and such an attitude of the Ministry of Defense? And where are they going to transfer the fleet museum? (Well, the reason is clear - St. Petersburg’s golden central land, although a historical building? no. they don’t dare, I hope you understand.)
            1. Edward Vashchenko
              Edward Vashchenko 23 August 2019 13: 08
              +3
              Hello Sergey, the museum has been opened - the exposition is spacious,
              what they wrote right here in the comments.
              But since childhood, I had respect for this Museum to the Exchange, still the whole complex with Rostrams, and with modern technology it was naturally necessary to make a modern exhibition-branch.
              By the way, what I learned in practice, in the distant 90: all new models of equipment were sent to the museum without fail, I remember carrying huge mines.
              But zagashniki have many paintings on the naval theme, of course, the originals + all working models of ships from the eighteenth century, imagine! This was not anywhere else, in London, Peter the Great spied and decided to do it with us too, but in England the building burned down, and such drawings of the hull without rigging and equipment are only ours.
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 23 August 2019 13: 25
                +3
                So wiped off the nose with arrogant angles?! This is pleasing! But in general I envy you St. Petersburg! The historic center of the city has been preserved! Beautiful and beautiful!
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 August 2019 11: 39
            +3
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            remove the Navy Museum from the arrow of Vasilyevsky Island, such nonsense is difficult to think of. There were a huge number of exhibits in the museum in the storerooms (I was there in practice) - it was necessary to expand the exposition, but it was removed.

            And where could the exposition in the former building be expanded? The exchange is not rubber - Tom de Tomon did not expect that there would be a museum in the building. smile
            But about the organization of the move - yes, there are many questions. 9 years of imprisonment to the director of the museum and 3 years to the director of the company carrying out the transportation - this already says a lot.
          3. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 23 August 2019 12: 16
            +3
            When cleanedNavy Museum There was talk about the pre-revolutionary history and ownership of the building. But the building was not very capable of the new owners.! The Commodity Exchange somehow did not really want to take care of the building and put it in order. In December 2013, the governor decided to transfer the building to the Hermitage for the Museum of the Russian Guard and Heraldry.
            Since it is the center of the architectural ensemble of the Spit of the Vasilievsky Island, it has sculptures ---- symbols of Navigation and trade. This architectural ensemble includes the Rostral columns, symbolizing the Victory of the Russian Navy. In my opinion, it is natural that the Navy Museum was there. When the USSR.
            In my opinion, it was possible not to think to expand this Museum, but to make its branch, as is now the case with different museums.
      2. shtatsov
        shtatsov 23 August 2019 23: 17
        +1
        Also drew attention to this, the museum staff explained that the opaque text would cover a lot of space in the windows, blocking the exhibits.
        All the same, there is little space! The whole museum went around in 2 days, in 1 - do not have time for good.
        An open exhibition in Pyshma is bigger and better! Last time I didn’t get into the closed pavilions. Not working days were.
        1. alstr
          alstr 24 August 2019 11: 51
          0
          I agree.
          Recently I visited the Museum of Small Arms in Tula (or how it is right). Here there is a truly modern exposition: Each exhibit has a sign; there are interesting layouts. On each floor there is a FULL encyclopedia of weapons (even those that are not presented live). There are places with a video sequence. Many other interactive things like simulators from ATGM simulators to Helicopter and Hurricane simulators. You can shoot in a shooting range from a crossbow to a machine gun.
          Very interesting and modern. At the same time, the museum can make good money on this interactive (simulators and shooting gallery are paid).

          But this is a completely new museum that has only recently been opened. It is more complicated with old museums - there is considerable inertia. Yes, and some exhibits just do not budge, because. you can destroy them. Plus, one should not forget that the museum is not only an exposition, but also what is outside of it (storage rooms, restoration workshops, etc.).
          For good, almost all museums in the country need a more modern presentation of the exposition.

          My opinion is that at least all major museums should have their own version on the Internet in order to get an idea of ​​the museums. And to do this in the framework of an ordinary school (and institute) program. After all, there (in the training program) there is something to illustrate with exhibits from our museums. Yes, take the same Panorama of Boronino or the Defense of Sevastopol. What is not a cool illustration of the relevant events?
        2. faterdom
          faterdom 29 August 2019 21: 45
          0
          Also last year, my wife and I spent two days on this museum. Interestingly, the more so because he is not only of artillery, but also of engineering and communications troops. So I saw a lot of samples of equipment on which I went, worked and slept in them for months. By the way, I also liked the exhibition in August last year dedicated to Kalashnikov.
    2. Evgeny Fedorov
      23 August 2019 10: 52
      +3
      Yes, some expositions are seriously outdated, especially against the background of such examples from Patriot Park.


      But in the Museum of Artillery, such a design, in my opinion, is unattainable. An elementary lack of space. The exposition in Patriot was taken out of the cramped hangars of Kubinka. Therefore, even repairs here will not particularly help. But no one bothers to ennoble the collection and effectively highlight.
      1. Edward Vashchenko
        Edward Vashchenko 23 August 2019 13: 03
        +2
        With Patriot, I agree with you on 1000%. In Kubinka, everything was on the case, although far away, but under brandy and with another specialist in World War II and 2 technology .... oh ... there are a lot of questions with Patriot, but what I read about the exposition and what you bring - I have no words.
  6. mik193
    mik193 23 August 2019 11: 24
    +3
    As for the museum, I’ll say what I don’t like. Well, firstly, some expositions (in particular, "Artillery of the USSR 1925-1941"), which are really interesting, there were many experimental developments, are closed, without exaggeration, for decades. Secondly, behind the museum there are many trophy exhibits from all the wars, which are simply abandoned in an ugly state and rust, and some of them have probably already been scrapped.
  7. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 23 August 2019 12: 14
    +6
    On these bronze cannons I pretty sat astride when I was little
    I lived there not far, and in the museum there were 100 times no less good
  8. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 23 August 2019 12: 35
    +5
    Thanks to the author. But ... in early September, I plan to go to this museum myself. Each trip to St. Petersburg is dedicated to some sort of historical places or museums. Last year, the main Museum of the Navy, in this I want to visit Petropavlovka and the Museum of Artillery.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 23 August 2019 13: 39
      +3
      It's great that you will be in St. Petersburg. I visit the Museum of Artillery annually, less often in Petropavlovka. But in the Museum of Political History, the former Museum of the Revolution --- has never been. Although it is nearby, at the same metro station. This year I also went to the Planetarium there, I recalled my childhood.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 23 August 2019 15: 04
        +3
        I envy wildly: in general, St. Petersburg is a unique city in itself, and there are so many museums
  9. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 14: 03
    +5
    I remember the German 88mm anti-tank gun with a raised barrel - in the USSR it stood like that.
    the museum is gorgeous, but there are some controversial and strange moments in it.
    For example, the communication section was somehow dimly made. Or do it normally, or what for it is so necessary.

    ps about the old cannons thrown to the ground near the museum
    they need at least a normal pedestal made of elementary concrete. It is very cheap.
    It’s very inconvenient to look at the guns under your feet. And even better, a pedestal with a hinged roof - it also costs very little.
  10. yehat
    yehat 23 August 2019 14: 28
    +4
    Quote: Shkodnik65
    Thanks to the author. But ... in early September, I plan to go to this museum myself. Each trip to St. Petersburg is dedicated to some sort of historical places or museums. Last year, the main Museum of the Navy, in this I want to visit Petropavlovka and the Museum of Artillery.

    artillery museum, to just go around and see everything without stopping, you need at least 4 hours.
    I once arranged a tour of my friend there and was somewhat shocked by how much I can tell about the exhibits. I used to be there often, now it doesn’t work out.
    it’s a pity that there is not enough information on heavy artillery.
  11. DimanC
    DimanC 23 August 2019 18: 57
    +2
    not enough time for a thorough inspection
    here I agree: I stayed there for two hours, I had to run almost on the run ... because they were waiting on the street, it would have been like 5 hours ...
  12. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 23 August 2019 21: 56
    +2
    Hello, Eugene! A good review article about the museum, with a fair amount of criticism. However, I note that any phenomenon must have a leader, an impulse that sets in motion an amorphous something. He is not in this place.
  13. g1v2
    g1v2 23 August 2019 23: 05
    +3
    Since childhood, I love this museum. The kid climbed cannons in the yard. I have not been to any museum as many times as in it. Article plus - I learned something new about him.
  14. Antares
    Antares 24 August 2019 19: 04
    -1
    Naturally, I was in that museum. They didn’t let Aurora on that day, but managed to get into the museum (and even at a discount). Given that everything is familiar, with interest began to look for some exhibits ..
    Just a squeak of a lion and a cannon bear interested. Participated in the siege of Narva, taken by the Swedes in the Battle of Narva, represented them with huge cannons ... apparently the modern man seems differently than his contemporaries.
    A good museum, pleasant memories from the whole St. Petersburg epic / visits.
  15. Alexey G
    Alexey G 26 August 2019 01: 40
    0
    Yes, the museum is very good, but the guides are not always real pros. Some cannot answer basic questions, or give false information. Was there this summer in August and was unpleasantly disappointed.
    1. Alexey G
      Alexey G 26 August 2019 01: 43
      0
      And the excursions themselves are quite expensive. I think to educate our youth, who need to explain everything well, you need not to be greedy for the cost of the tour and increase the level of guides. I think it will bring a considerable income to the museum and considerable benefit to the state.
      1. Tavrik
        Tavrik 26 August 2019 20: 23
        0
        It's complicated. To do this, you need to strain. What for? And so it goes!
        In general, in St. Petersburg, where a number of famous military historians and thousands of lovers of military history live, not to mention the guests of the city, you can probably carry out interesting events on the basis of the museum, and exhibition of poster models (recently recalled in a nearby branch), etc. . etc. But you need to work for this. And start, preferably, with the creation of a normal museum site.
  16. Tavrik
    Tavrik 26 August 2019 20: 10
    +1
    For the Artillery Museum, there are dual feelings ... On the one hand, the museum is cool. The boys still often went there (in those totalitarian times, admission was free). The composition of the expositions is impressive. Usually they only remember about artillery, but it’s also a museum of engineering troops and communications troops. And how much they have hidden in storerooms! The areas are sorely lacking. The library is awesome.
    On the other hand, over the past 20–25 years, many opportunities have been missed. For example, a museum could become a center for military-historical reconstruction and unite clubs of history lovers under its roof. Moreover, OV Sokolov worked in it (the same one, the founder of the movement of military-historical reconstruction, holder of the Order of the Legion of Honor), Stepanov B.Yu., Suslov Pavel ... People are energetic, fans of military history, experts in their field who united interested youth around themselves. In the courtyard of the museum, it was possible to build dugouts during the Second World War and install communication facilities of those times. Those wishing to give deploy between them a wired communication line (P-274) with the installation of telephones (TA-57). A lot of things could have been invented ... But, I suspect, the museum management had all sorts of new forms of work back then not needed and not interesting. As a result, all of the above people quit, and the museum is in the same condition as in the USSR. By the way, the director of the museum has been managing him for over 30 years, so do not wait for transformations. Unless regular exhibitions, interesting to a very narrow circle of people.