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Boeing fighter UAV preparing to take wing

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Boeing is preparing in 2020 to begin testing the Loyal Wingman fighter UAV, which is being built in the interests of the Royal Australian Air Force. The implementation of the digital engineering program has accelerated development.




The Boeing Aircraft Concern, which has been severely affected by problems in the civilian market related to the 737-MAX airplane software failures and the ensuing two disasters, is trying to win back positions in the military market. The recent success of the company related to the purchase by the Pentagon of a new version of the F-15 multi-functional fighter is supported by intensive work in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles.

Loyal Wingman is a demo platform for unmanned fighter jets. A promising project that the American concern is developing in the interests of the Australian Air Force should occupy the niche of a full-fledged unmanned escort aircraft with elements of artificial intelligence. The company is about to begin testing the full-size prototype in the 2020 year.

The future of unmanned technology


The task of such aircraft is to protect the main machine, whether it be a fighter or a transporter. Unmanned support and escort aircraft are also capable of carrying more powerful radar stations and sensors. This allows you to expand the capabilities of the fighter, expanding its radius of action and the ability to detect and counter the enemy.

The development of the digital engineering program adopted by Boeing has seriously advanced us in development. As a result of this work, we have a full digital copy of the entire structure of the aircraft, which we have been able to experience thousands of times using a variety of scenarios.

“said Dr. Shane Arnott, director of Phantom Works International, a Boeing subsidiary.

The Boeing team uses its Systems Analysis Laboratory in Brisbane, Australia to model the critical capabilities and life cycle of a promising UAV. In fact, the Boeing team has already received the necessary information from the laboratory and is conducting field trials of the Loyal Wingman system using a “surrogate aircraft”.


Test UAVs on which the software of the new unmanned fighter is tested


Boeing uses a team of 15 UAVs, some of which are capable of speeds exceeding 300 kilometers, to improve autonomous control algorithms, data integration, object detection systems and collision avoidance methods.

Digital engineering has allowed Boeing to engage in development, as well as simulate and test the behavior of the new UAV before the machine took off in real life. ,

Digital engineering has significantly reduced both risks and the cost of an aircraft test program, as well as increased system reliability.

- they say in the concern.

Work in Australia also serves as the basis for the Boeing Airpower Teaming System international project. As part of it, the concern is developing unmanned fighter escorts capable of working in conjunction with the main machine and make flights to 3700 km. It is assumed that the system will be modular, which will make it easy to modify it to the requirements of a particular customer.
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  1. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 18 August 2019 17: 04
    -13%
    I want to hear the comments of the "thinking" yes yes laughing
    1. Siberia 75
      Siberia 75 18 August 2019 17: 45
      +15
      Quote: AK pacifist
      I want to hear the comments of the "thinking"

      By the assumption that there were "thinking" among the VO visitors, you caught a few drawbacks winked
      And the very concept of escorting the main attack aircraft with several smaller AIs, or a swarm of drones, goes back from the 90s.
      https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/metody-roevogo-intellekta
      1. dinis
        dinis 19 August 2019 00: 43
        +13
        I set the minus for the distortion of words. The clowns are already tired of all sorts of ugly Russian words.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 19 August 2019 11: 08
          +4
          Quote: dinis
          I put a minus for the distortion of words

          Support. good Already got these young "Albans-pads" with their "YazyGom"
    2. lucul
      lucul 18 August 2019 18: 22
      0
      I want to hear the comments of the "thinking"

      Well, where are we, spiritual, to the chosen ones)))
    3. cormorant
      cormorant 18 August 2019 18: 56
      -2
      Work in Australia also serves as the basis for the Boeing Airpower Teaming System international project.
      Well, after all, again, some programmer from India will go awry. There are many of them in the homeland of the kangaroo.
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 18 August 2019 19: 03
        +20
        And let's make and put fools out of the mattresses in bulk ... if it's serious, we would have their problems. They "look" into the future and are doing the right thing, they have the brains and the means, so they use it, we need to analyze and draw our own conclusions.
        1. cormorant
          cormorant 18 August 2019 19: 54
          +8
          I agree, especially about the means ... We have enough brains. It was necessary to look into the future earlier, when the Brokeback country was destroyed and when the Yeltsin’s bandits finally plundered everything. Then why not make a joke when something similar is already flying with us, and not projected in a figure.
        2. dinis
          dinis 19 August 2019 00: 46
          +2
          Although the Americans are the real enemies of our country, I still wish good luck to Boeing. I would like to have time to see something interesting in aviation. I am for a leap in the global aircraft industry.
          1. Angelica
            Angelica 19 August 2019 04: 42
            +2
            I am for a leap in the global aircraft industry.

            I am also for a leap in the global aircraft industry. But not at the expense of Russia's security.
            We don't need such a "leap". stop
            1. Vladimir16
              Vladimir16 19 August 2019 06: 43
              -1
              Quote: dinis
              I am for a leap in the global aircraft industry.


              "So he will split at this race, radish, at the first nix!"

              Come here, Fedya, take the paper, write:
              radish is not a good person, crack to betray, to confess.
              Schuher danger leap robbery. Wrote down?
              laughing laughing laughing
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    2. Vita vko
      Vita vko 18 August 2019 17: 26
      -2
      The idea is certainly interesting and promising. Let them build whatever they want, stuff their bumps and spend their money. The main thing for specialists is to closely monitor trends, study experience and "rake" on which Boeing is constantly advancing with enviable stubbornness. This will allow our developers to significantly save money.
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      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 18 August 2019 17: 53
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Let them build anything stuffed cones and spend their money.

        An important point ... again the Anglo-Saxons.
      3. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 18 August 2019 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Vita VKO
        The main thing for specialists is to closely monitor trends, study experience and "rake" on which Boeing constantly comes with enviable stubbornness.

        Especially in light of the fact that
        Boeing Aircraft Concern, severely affected by problems in the civilian market related to software failures of the 737-MAX aircraft, and the subsequent two disasters

        ... it didn't work out with civil aviation, "we will work on military"! Hire more cheap Indian programmers and they will do everything cheaply and "reliably" for you!
        Digital engineering has allowed Boeing to engage in development, as well as simulate and test the behavior of the new UAV before the machine took off in real life.

        ... and then ?! Will the 737-MAX image accompany the following Boeing products?
        (I ask you not to minus much, it's just my assumptions request )
        1. Cyrus
          Cyrus 19 August 2019 06: 50
          0
          No, it will not.
      4. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 19 August 2019 16: 07
        0
        Quote: Vita VKO
        This will allow our developers to significantly save money.

        Have you written about China now? Technology is the fact that the Chinese, even buying our aircraft, can not really copy them.
        Boeing is stepping on a rake because it is ahead of the rest and nevertheless they already have vast experience in the field of UAVs.
        We are not stepping on this rake, because we have not even embarked on this type of development.
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 18 August 2019 18: 29
      0
      "Take off, get to the point, follow the wingman" - and it itself will carry out the order? And attack? Without the guy with the joystick at the control station?

      That's right, just not "behind the follower" but "in front of the leader." The guy with the joystick? Well, maybe one, for a dozen aircraft and its task will indicate targets and give high-level orders, for example, indicate the very specified point and other flight parameters.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 19 August 2019 03: 12
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        "Take off, get to the point, follow the wingman" - and it itself will carry out the order? And attack? Without the guy with the joystick at the control station?

        That's right, just not "behind the follower" but "in front of the leader." The guy with the joystick? Well, maybe one, for a dozen aircraft and its task will indicate targets and give high-level orders, for example, indicate the very specified point and other flight parameters.

        That's exactly what it is: this idea was embedded in BigPicture technology, tested for the first time probably 30 years ago, prepared under jsf, but apparently the idea was too bold: the pilot could use his glove to poke a target on the screen, select the ammunition and the plane went to the machine target bypassing threatened areas. I then wrote such a beautiful essay on this subject ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 20 August 2019 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          .. then such a beautiful essay wrote on this topic ...

          Personally, the one who set the minus: did you read the essay? Did the unsuccessful one write ... crying
  3. E.S.
    E.S. 18 August 2019 17: 12
    -2
    To start testing in 2020, you need to have a flying prototype now. The "surrogate" is already flying, and the prototype is not even shown in the cartoon.
    I did not expect such a shameful fakap from Hollywood!
    1. knn54
      knn54 18 August 2019 17: 27
      +2
      But there’s not much to be needed from an UAV: ​​to keep flying, to keep the speed. To launch rockets at the enemy. T.E. was defended by an expensive manned fighter.
      In fact, a one-time instance that causes fire on itself.
      That's about FULL autonomy (AI) .Although maneuverability is not required from him.
      And as a pilot, if necessary, he will be able to simultaneously control the "slave" vehicle. There are many questions.
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 18 August 2019 18: 33
        -1
        That's about FULL autonomy (AI) .Although maneuverability is not required from him

        Who said maneuverability is not required of him? Who said there could be any problems with this?
        And as a pilot, if necessary, will be able to simultaneously control the "slave" vehicle

        Giving him commands like
        "Follow Vepred along route X, height is such and such"
        "repeat my maneuvers" (even if the drone is in front at a higher altitude)
        "enable surveillance radar"
        "target number U, missile launch."
      2. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 19 August 2019 15: 59
        0
        Something I have not heard about cheap American drones .. Just the opposite, the last shot down $ 210 million.
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 August 2019 17: 15
    +3
    The task of such aircraft is to protect the main machine, whether it be a fighter or a transporter. Unmanned support and escort aircraft are also capable of carrying more powerful radar stations and sensors.
    Suddenly. Can be seen as the first line of defense and long arms. A pilot's life is very precious. And the "penguin" has no time for turns. Air combat is converted into combat with missiles. The fight is almost computerized, the dream of amers. Exchange of information, execution of pilot commands. The pilot has 10 lives, with 9 UAVs repeat
    1. restless
      restless 18 August 2019 21: 55
      -1
      Not even 50 years will pass when the pilots will control while sitting at the computer at the joysticks, everything goes to that, a lot of robots will be needed and victory is guaranteed, the main thing is that they do not think of controlling themselves, otherwise it will be like in the movie "Terminator" ...
      1. Zorro21
        Zorro21 19 August 2019 06: 48
        +2
        Quote: restless
        In less than 50 years, when the pilots will control sitting at the computer behind the joysticks, everything goes to that, many robots will be needed and the victory is guaranteed

        Control requires a reliable radio channel, which is also very wide. For example, at the beginning of the operation in Afghanistan, the Americans tried to massively use strike UAVs and it turned out that the entire US satellite constellation was not enough to meet the demand for communication channels. Therefore, they drastically reduced their appetites to a dozen simultaneously operating UAVs.
        Therefore, remote control is only an auxiliary feature of UAV control. The main task of shock UAVs and prospective interceptors is the actions predefined for the purposes and the execution of tasks in accordance with the laid down algorithms. Fortunately, there are so many accumulated blocks of various algorithms for modern fighters that in 90% of cases the pilot acts exclusively as an extra and a controller. In the remaining 10% of tactical situations, it is possible that UAVs will introduce elements of neural networks with artificial intelligence that will make decisions in emergency situations.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 August 2019 23: 16
          0
          Quote: Zorro21
          Quote: restless
          In less than 50 years, when the pilots will control sitting at the computer behind the joysticks, everything goes to that, many robots will be needed and the victory is guaranteed

          Control requires a reliable radio channel, which is also very wide. For example, at the beginning of the operation in Afghanistan, the Americans tried to massively use strike UAVs and it turned out that the entire US satellite constellation was not enough to meet the demand for communication channels. Therefore, they drastically reduced their appetites to a dozen simultaneously operating UAVs.
          Therefore, remote control is only an auxiliary feature of UAV control. The main task of shock UAVs and prospective interceptors is the actions predefined for the purposes and the execution of tasks in accordance with the laid down algorithms. Fortunately, there are so many accumulated blocks of various algorithms for modern fighters that in 90% of cases the pilot acts exclusively as an extra and a controller. In the remaining 10% of tactical situations, it is possible that UAVs will introduce elements of neural networks with artificial intelligence that will make decisions in emergency situations.


          We are watching 2 independent projects, which, when combined, suddenly become "the hand of God"

          On the one hand, there is satellite Internet from VanWeb or Starlink with their transcendent bandwidth and data exchange anywhere in the world ...
          And the latest Cerebras processors ...
          Which can be placed at the nodal points of exchange.
          Outrageous supercomputers imprisoned under AI in orbit ...
  5. Wedmak
    Wedmak 18 August 2019 17: 16
    +1
    Practice control algorithms. Although it is still far from a fully autonomous aircraft, both we and they still follow this path. On the one hand, there are no obstacles on earth, on the other hand, you need to control everything at 360 degrees around, and even follow the follower.
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 18 August 2019 22: 24
      0
      Yes, and for led to follow?
      behind leading
  6. Masha
    Masha 18 August 2019 17: 18
    -20%
    Does anyone take this island seriously? so the colony ... what they say will do it ....
    1. 777-3-59-97
      777-3-59-97 18 August 2019 18: 02
      +6
      so the colony ... what they say will do it ...

      I can’t understand one thing.
      Why is the standard of living many times higher in this colony than in some free and independent countries?
      1. lucul
        lucul 18 August 2019 18: 16
        -7
        I can’t understand one thing.
        Why is the standard of living many times higher in this colony than in some free and independent countries?

        In order to understand this, you need to get rid of the "female" mentality.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 41
          +5
          Quote: lucul
          I can’t understand one thing.
          Why is the standard of living many times higher in this colony than in some free and independent countries?

          In order to understand this, you need to get rid of the "female" mentality.


          It is not a woman who writes, but someone "on request" ...
          After all, the last one and a half to two years - entire teams began to appear on the site.
          Such stupid urya messages. that inevitably you will think that Americans are paying them, because nothing can kill real patriotism. like a host of stupid messages "urya-patriots", causing just rejection ...


          Previously, the woman was alone - Olga Zyablik, co-author and .. Sergei Linnik.
          And she was really in the subject of many military-technical issues ..
          1. lucul
            lucul 18 August 2019 21: 17
            0
            It is not a woman who writes, but someone "on request".

            I meant a man with a female mentality. Ie with female mercantile thinking.
      2. Masha
        Masha 18 August 2019 19: 22
        +3
        envy? Who prevents you from joining them?
        1. mvg
          mvg 18 August 2019 20: 36
          +1
          Crocodiles do not like very much, and kangaroos are not tasty
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 43
            +2
            Quote: mvg
            Crocodiles do not like very much, and kangaroos are not tasty


            and kangaroos, and crocodiles, and pythons are pretty good in taste. if you don’t know. what do you eat and cook well ...
            1. mvg
              mvg 18 August 2019 21: 58
              0
              I know for sure that a person who is accustomed to "Magnet" or "Ribbon" pork or chicken will not be able to eat either "delicious" bear meat, or reindeer cutlets, or wild duck or pheasant. Even a bunny, and he does not rush. Checked, and more than once.
              I’m not a big gourmet, but I can cook fried eggs .. That’s how even a real pilaf made from fresh home-made mutton and that didn’t seem so tasty to me. And cooked by an oriental dude. I hope in pilaf I understand.
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 18 August 2019 22: 11
                +1
                Quote: mvg
                a person accustomed to "Magnet" or "Ribbon" pork or chicken cannot eat either "delicious" bear meat, or reindeer cutlets, or wild duck or pheasant. Even a bunny, and he does not rush. Checked, and more than once

                More from now on ...

                Quote: mvg
                Even the bunny, and he is not rushing. Verified, and not ra

                Where is the "bunny not rushing" there? Come on, come on ... "a" you already said)))

                Quote: mvg
                ... a real pilaf from fresh home-made mutton and that didn’t seem so delicious to me. And cooked by an oriental dude. I hope in pilaf I understand.

                You have to die. You already know everything, and you are bored with the very process of life.

                It happens, the recipe is known)))
                1. mvg
                  mvg 18 August 2019 22: 13
                  -2
                  You gotta die

                  fool Is that a wish? Or your dream?
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 18 August 2019 22: 28
                    0
                    Quote: mvg
                    Is that a wish? Or your dream?

                    This is a diagnosis.

                    Personally to me - you are plane-parallel ... buddy request
                    1. mvg
                      mvg 18 August 2019 22: 30
                      -1
                      This is a diagnosis

                      So are you a doctor ..? Or a psychologist? Guessing by hand or by comments? Maybe in the photo?
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 19 August 2019 10: 50
                        -1
                        Quote: mvg
                        This is a diagnosis

                        So are you a doctor ..? Or a psychologist? Guessing by hand or by comments? Maybe in the photo?

                        It is not necessary to be a cat in order to be able to draw it correctly.

                        I can do a lot of things. But this is not for everyone, and, as a rule, it’s not very free. request
      3. Syroitel_nik
        Syroitel_nik 18 August 2019 22: 08
        0
        For that and above, that intelligence does not work against them. And the Congress of amers does not allocate 25 lard greens to overthrow the "regime". They are obedient in Australia, so there is not a regime, but a democracy.
    2. gregor6549
      gregor6549 19 August 2019 03: 49
      0
      And what do you, my dear, know about this "colony". And since when has a huge continent turned into an island?
      Or did you not study geography at school? Yes, and with "what they say" there is not as simple as you think. Yes, Australia is an ally of the United States and other Western countries, but this does not mean that decisions are made for her. Just like any ally, Australia is forced to comply with allied obligations, unlike some of Russia's "allies" who often do not care about these obligations. At the same time, Australia has one of the highest living standards and a very high level of weapons and military equipment for such a country.
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 19 August 2019 09: 46
        -2
        Quote: gregor6549
        one of the highest standards of living
        In my opinion, it is even higher than in the States and Canada. And the dominance of migrants is not there.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 August 2019 17: 28
    -12%
    That is, in Boeong they decided to bite off a piece in the field of artificial intelligence, while having a deficit of natural intelligence? ?? fool
  8. Sergey39
    Sergey39 18 August 2019 17: 47
    -3
    But with the modernization of F 15 they succeed, and with AI an unmanned fighter without government support, they will go bankrupt. Australia will not help. It makes sense to put something like AI on missiles.
  9. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 18 August 2019 17: 49
    -7
    I remember in the 60s we designed this
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 44
      +3
      Quote: Valerik1337
      I remember in the 60s we designed this


      Where is it for you?
      1. ultra
        ultra 18 August 2019 21: 48
        0
        In his madhouse. laughing
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 August 2019 18: 05
    -1
    For any fighter, the drone will lag behind in time for the pilot’s reaction behind the handle.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: Captive
      For any fighter, the drone will lag behind in time for the pilot’s reaction behind the handle.


      He will surpass.
      For it is capable of simultaneously calculating all possible options for maneuvering the movement of another fighter. Just because it laid all these possible options.
      And he is analyzing all the parameters. which the pilot is unable to keep in mind - analyzing and predicting - does not give a single chance to the manned fighter.

      Have you ever read about the simplest example of an automatic emergency braking system?
      and so from the distance with which the system intervenes - not a single person - is able to do so too ...
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 13
        0
        Wait! When drones hollowed on civilians, what did they work there? I suspect that the operator is bzik, not the processor calculation. winked The drone follows the commands. Commands are given by the operator based on the visual data transmitted by the device. What is the problem? Will lag behind and don’t shik. laughing
  11. Nycomed
    Nycomed 18 August 2019 18: 07
    -2
    I didn’t understand anything, maybe someone who is in the subject will explain? what
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 19: 40
      +1
      Why explain there? 300000 km / s is the speed of transmitting visual information over electronic networks. Response speed depends on the individual characteristics of the operator. He will be behind anyway. So the minuses can be pushed into his body. laughing laughing laughing
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 19 August 2019 07: 02
        +2
        He will be behind anyway. So the minuses can be pushed into his body

        as if all fans of science fiction were excited, massively hallucinating with fighters controlled by AI and on equal leading air battles with manned aircraft, the reality is much more pragmatic. Maybe the reaction time of the system to individual, simple, actions will be faster than that of the pilot’s brain, but in complex tasks related to situational forecasting, autonomous UAVs will lose to controlled aircraft.
        1. Harry.km
          Harry.km 19 August 2019 07: 54
          -4
          Quote: Ka-52
          autonomous UAV will lose controlled aircraft.

          In chess, autonomous UAVs have long won the manned ... And not so long ago, it was also believed that this was not possible.
          1. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 19 August 2019 17: 05
            0
            Your comparison is incorrect. Chess, the movement of pieces in one plane, strictly defined algorithms for each piece, a normal modern computer easily calculates them. And he will calculate the "hunting instincts" of a normally trained pilot ???
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 20 August 2019 23: 30
              -1
              Quote: Okolotochny
              Your comparison is incorrect. Chess, the movement of pieces in one plane, strictly defined algorithms for each piece, a normal modern computer easily calculates them. And he will calculate the "hunting instincts" of a normally trained pilot ???

              Yes ... .or the options for moving the joystick / steering wheel or throttle handle are completely calculable.
              If the "cobra" can be performed at speeds up to 500 km / h - then an attempt to execute it at speeds over 1000 km / h - leads to the destruction of the aircraft. Or the protection will not allow, in principle, to perform the appropriate maneuver.

              Accordingly, at certain flight parameters, certain maneuvers are "not feasible" - and the enemy target analysis system knows about this.
              You fools can talk about the possibilities of super-maneuvers at low speeds - but this is complete rubbish for modern GOS missiles air-to-air ...
              There are no hunting instincts now.
              The human factor is completely dependent on the capabilities of the aircraft.
              A person can and will be able to surprise the machine with the breadth of thought. but that plane, which man controls, cannot surprise a car.
              If a miracle-man-tester does a miracle, then the machine will simply record its actions in options.
              Only options for action - and will find opposition for the "miracle".
              Miracles cannot always be different.
              and therefore people have no chance. .
              1. Okolotochny
                Okolotochny 21 August 2019 12: 06
                -1
                Yes ... .or the options for moving the joystick / steering wheel or throttle handle are completely calculable.

                Colleague, if this were so (fully calculated human behavior), then the AI ​​would already "rule the world."
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 25 August 2019 20: 42
                  -1
                  Quote: Okolotochny
                  Yes ... .or the options for moving the joystick / steering wheel or throttle handle are completely calculable.

                  Colleague, if this were so (fully calculated human behavior), then the AI ​​would already "rule the world."


                  For AI, the network bandwidth and storage capacity for creating informational garbage and machine control algorithms were not yet enough.
                  All this is already converging in the format - "we can already" ...
  12. SNEAKY
    SNEAKY 18 August 2019 18: 08
    -2
    Went on the wrong track, judging by the first comments laughing
    Rogozin would have a Boeing, but the base on the moon to refuel by this time)
  13. E.S.
    E.S. 18 August 2019 18: 16
    0
    Quote: knn54
    But there’s not much to be needed from an UAV: ​​to keep flying, to keep the speed. To launch rockets at the enemy. T.E. was defended by an expensive manned fighter.
    In fact, a one-time instance that causes fire on itself.
    That's about FULL autonomy (AI) .Although maneuverability is not required from him.
    And as a pilot, if necessary, he will be able to simultaneously control the "slave" vehicle. There are many questions.

    You haven't read the reviews about the Hunter, everything is written there, that the "demonstrator is bullshit", that the "nozzle is wrong", that "the stealth is not real", etc. etc.
    But we even saw the Hunter, and this product - no one in the assembly, even in the hangar, no one saw
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 58
      +2
      Quote: E.S.

      But we even saw the Hunter, and this product - no one in the assembly, even in the hangar, no one saw

      Hunter - the answer to the X-47 (2001), X-45C (2003), RQ-170 (2007) - that's something like that ...
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 18 August 2019 18: 29
    +5
    Unmanned vehicles will develop, it is obvious.
    The Yankees are in the forefront, this is also obvious.
    We lag behind, this is also obvious.
    And then what?
    Only time will put all points over E!
    1. Avior
      Avior 18 August 2019 19: 13
      +3
      It seems there wasn’t a plane yet ....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 August 2019 19: 39
        +1
        Quote: Avior
        It seems there wasn’t a plane yet ....

        Not yet evening.
        Perhaps another rich person will wake up to the drones! The topic is interesting, promising and the organization of Formula 01, racing among drones, the idea will be implemented in the foreseeable future!
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      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 August 2019 19: 46
        0
        My parents did not want to connect me to the "stabilizer", unlike many ..... it happened!
        Instead of plugs / fuses "bugs" from bunches !!! They get warm, it happens, but they don't burn out!
        These are we thermonuclear strong, we don’t care!
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 19: 42
      -1
      Yeah! Everything is lost, we will all die. laughing And here are the hrenushki! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 August 2019 19: 48
        +2
        What is this about? What is this for?
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 18 August 2019 19: 51
          -2
          This is to ensure that our great masters of reciprocal steps. Asymmetric answers, EPT! Andestent, Fershteen and a hedgehog with them? laughing
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 18 August 2019 20: 59
            0
            Quote: Captive
            This is to ensure that our great masters of reciprocal steps. Asymmetric answers, EPT! Andestent, Fershteen and a hedgehog with them? laughing

            name at least one asymmetric answer?
            Well, that would be clear what you carry to the masses?
            1. Prisoner
              Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 02
              -2
              The masses themselves must know. For must keep a finger on the pulse. hi
            2. Syroitel_nik
              Syroitel_nik 18 August 2019 22: 12
              0
              Yes, no them. Take it easy, take the pyramidone and go to bed.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 18 August 2019 22: 23
                +2
                Quote: Syroitel_nik
                Yes, no them. Take it easy, take the pyramidone and go to bed.


                Do you offer tablets from your first-aid kit?

                I now 100% know that an asymmetric answer cannot be in principle.
                Can you refute me with real examples?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 19 August 2019 06: 35
                  0
                  From the history of the USSR you can find an effective asymmetric .... from the history of modern Russia, if you dig around, you can also pull something, but almost by the ears!
                  What is the main criterion? The answer \ countermeasures should be effective .... and with this it is more difficult.
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 20 August 2019 23: 32
                    0
                    Quote: rocket757
                    From the history of the USSR you can find an effective asymmetric .... from the history of modern Russia, if you dig around, you can also pull something, but almost by the ears!
                    What is the main criterion? The answer \ countermeasures should be effective .... and with this it is more difficult.

                    There is no really effective asymmetric answer in the history of military forces ...
                    Systemic asymmetric.
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 20 August 2019 23: 55
                      0
                      But in war, as in war! The main thing is that life saved the fighters!
                      The war in Korea, how our pilots were helped / rescued by a device they called "comrade warns"! It was also very effective!
                      Many similar examples can be found, systemic or not, that’s not the point!
  15. Dmitry Gundorov
    Dmitry Gundorov 18 August 2019 18: 31
    0
    An interesting competitor to Kratos from Boeing
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2019 19: 05
    +3
    And what did Boeing solve the problem of artificial intelligence, that he immediately swung the fighter at the UAV? As I understand it, writing an algorithm for a UAV transporter or reconnaissance officer will not be difficult right now, pilots are already busy with landing and takeoff, but this technology has already been tested.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 19: 58
      -1
      Of course they decided. Fighting cars with homo sapiens is in favor of cars! They crumble people in okroshka.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 18 August 2019 21: 35
        +2
        Quote: Captive
        Of course they decided. Fighting cars with homo sapiens is in favor of cars! They crumble people in okroshka.

        Maybe yes. But we will not find out about this ...
    2. AVA77
      AVA77 18 August 2019 20: 02
      0
      Yeah, Boeing worked on artificial intelligence for Loyal Wingman on civil 737 MAX. Flies not very kills normally.
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 21
      -1
      Judging by some posts, yes. hi
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 August 2019 23: 25
      -1
      "the problem of artificial intelligence" ////
      ----
      AI software for fighter drones has already been written.
      Testing problem. Need a strong network for "transfer of experience"
      from one drone to another and to a leading aircraft. Otherwise self-learning
      programs will not be able to develop independently.
  17. eagle owl
    eagle owl 18 August 2019 19: 54
    +1
    In general, such a drone is more suitable for attack than for defense, it seems to me. Like reconnaissance in battle, if they bring it down, it’s not so scary.
    The task of such aircraft is to protect the main machine, whether it be a fighter or a transporter.

    In connection with this, it is not clear - but what about Australia?
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 18 August 2019 21: 21
      -5
      Quote: Uhu
      In connection with this, it is not clear - but what about Australia?

      Are you kidding? Or seriously off topic? There are a lot of Muslim countries near Australia, and this will force anyone to arm themselves. Plus, China is actively playing in this region against established orders.
      1. Prisoner
        Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 23
        0
        I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended. Inside Russia is full of Muslim regions, but this does not scare our country. hi
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 19 August 2019 09: 55
          -1
          Quote: Captive
          Inside Russia is full of Muslim regions, but this does not scare our country.
          As for "does not scare" you, to put it mildly, are mistaken. Everyone remembers the Chechen wars and numerous terrorist attacks, and at the same time there are no less numerous conflicts on interethnic and religious grounds that periodically break out in the country.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 20 August 2019 23: 37
          0
          Quote: Captive
          I’ll tell you one clever thing, but don’t be offended. Inside Russia is full of Muslim regions, but this does not scare our country. hi

          Stop talking nonsense ...
          The expulsion and massacre of Russians in Uzbekistan ...
          tens of thousands torn to pieces in a couple of months.
          The expulsion and massacre of Russians in Chechnya ...
          Almost 50 thousand torn ...


          My relatives were oil workers all my life.
          My relatives are "Uzilovs". were the founders of Otradnoye - the oil capital of the Kuibyshev region.
          They scattered throughout the country.
          And then they fled, leaving everything from Uzbekistan and Chechnya.
          Enough populist fables about peaceful Islam in the Russian Federation.

          How many Russians were in Kazan before 1990, and how many are there now?
          Percentage look?
          And in Ufa?
    2. sabakina
      sabakina 18 August 2019 21: 37
      0
      Quote: Uhu
      In connection with this, it is not clear - but what about Australia?
      And what for in Russia they put a kenguryatnik? request
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 18 August 2019 22: 03
        0
        From hares and jerboas wink In Ryazan, what a hare fellow fellow Greetings Vyacheslav.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 18 August 2019 22: 05
          +1
          I greet Vadim! Strange hares at you. Our more and more trying to please the Bochin ...
          1. AVA77
            AVA77 18 August 2019 22: 16
            +1
            Usually at night if the headlights hit the light, then it pounds a hundred meters along the road until it slips off to the side of the road. And you probably have a homing hare. laughing
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 18 August 2019 22: 25
              0
              Quote: AVA77
              .And you probably have a homing hare. laughing
              Not only hares, but also lynxes, foxes, moose ... the hedgehogs really have a problem ... the legs are short ...
              1. AVA77
                AVA77 18 August 2019 22: 54
                +1
                We don’t have lynxes, or rather, there was only one (I got off the zoo), but she walked, walked, and she was caught. But I have a hedgehog. At night, it catches beetles under the lantern, and hops for milk in the morning.
      2. eagle owl
        eagle owl 18 August 2019 22: 05
        +1
        It seems to me, for the same reason - for show-offs. A colleague said about the Muslim countries. Does he really believe that ISIS can’t drive without the 6th generation? Chezh then the States for themselves buy helicopter attack aircraft for these purposes ?! And as a state on a state - Australia is officially an independent state, a member of the British community. Which automatically displays a potential attack Phillipin on Australia in the category of stupid jokes
        1. gregor6549
          gregor6549 19 August 2019 08: 32
          +1
          Yes, Australia is a member of the British Commonwealth, but it is a completely independent state. At the same time, I agree with you that an attack by any state (Indonesia, China, etc.) on Australia will immediately entail a response from Great Britain and the USA about other allies of Australia.
          Another thing is that Australia is trying not to quarrel with its neighbors in the Asia-Pacific region, including China and Indonesia, but to develop mutually beneficial cooperation with them. So far, she has succeeded, although the United States tries from time to time to express its "fairy" about the too close, in their opinion, relations between Australia and China.
          So far, Australia manages to maneuver between these countries, giving priority to America, because understands that in which case she herself will not last long. Well, he arms himself to the best of his ability to fight back at least in the first stage.
          The Japanese bombing of Darwin and Australia's inability to repel Japanese air attacks during WWII "awakened" Australia and made it more serious about its defense. She was also lucky that the States prevented the Japanese from landing on the coast of Australia. Otherwise, Australia with its frail armed forces would hardly have been able to withstand the onslaught of the Japanese. And even now, if the Australian Air Force and Navy still represent some kind of force, then the ground forces are more an armed impotence than a force.
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    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 20: 14
      -1
      laughing Have you been looking for this argument on this topic for a long time? Do not disgrace, dear man. The reaction to your post besides laughter causes nothing. laughing Allah is a witness! laughing laughing laughing
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 18 August 2019 22: 30
        -1
        Quote: Captive
        laughing Have you been looking for this argument on this topic for a long time? Do not disgrace, dear man. The reaction to your post besides laughter causes nothing. laughing Allah is a witness! laughing laughing laughing

        Do not laugh at our icons and rites. It may end badly ...
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 37
          -4
          what Is Ilya the Thunderer struck by lightning? So it should not. After all, the patron saint of the troops. Yes, I'm actually not a militant atheist. winked
    2. Syroitel_nik
      Syroitel_nik 18 August 2019 22: 14
      +1
      Hey, dear man, that something is pouring poison in a river, you won’t calm down in any way. What about Autocephaly? In every barrel there’s a stopper, well, everything is not right on it.
  19. eagle owl
    eagle owl 18 August 2019 21: 04
    +1
    Not about Boeing, but also on the topic:
    https://afirsov.livejournal.com/470068.html

    Schedule of combat readiness of the F-35 participating in military trials at the Edwards base. Who did not understand - this is the F-35 state approval for arming. The green color is the combat readiness. eleven% wassat The rest can actually fly homogeneous.
    So in a good way, Boeing, yours will be the same. the penguins have been successfully completed not even a single project in the military industrial complex for about 30 years. May be besides one submarine
  20. E.S.
    E.S. 18 August 2019 21: 14
    +1
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: E.S.

    But we even saw the Hunter, and this product - no one in the assembly, even in the hangar, no one saw

    Hunter - the answer to the X-47 (2001), X-45C (2003), RQ-170 (2007) - that's something like that ...

    This is how you manage to answer the x-47 program, which is closed because of the "niche", and the x-45 program was sent to the museum because of "there it belongs".
    Very believable, yes.
    Especially interesting about Sentinel and Hunter, given that both projects are grinded with nowhere to go.
  21. E.S.
    E.S. 18 August 2019 21: 16
    0
    Quote: Uhu
    In general, such a drone is more suitable for attack than for defense, it seems to me. Like reconnaissance in battle, if they bring it down, it’s not so scary.
    The task of such aircraft is to protect the main machine, whether it be a fighter or a transporter.

    In connection with this, it is not clear - but what about Australia?

    Atypods are the only ones who managed to put in an advertising booklet for these things and breed at least for some headstock
  22. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 18 August 2019 21: 24
    0
    Here's how it looks:

    But the company Kratos with its Valkyrie is clearly ahead. Their drone is already flying
    and is working on its interaction with the F-35
  23. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 18 August 2019 22: 22
    +4
    Quote: Captive
    Wait! When drones hollowed on civilians, what did they work there? I suspect that the operator is bzik, not the processor calculation. winked The drone follows the commands. Commands are given by the operator based on the visual data transmitted by the device. What is the problem? Will lag behind and don’t shik. laughing

    About shikney - tell the mirror - yes?
    I understand clearly?

    Most importantly, you did not understand that drones with independently made decisions do not yet exist in the ranks.
    The last 5 years there has been only testing of algorithms.
    But you do not see the difference between the devices. which the enemies have been in the ranks for almost 20 years, and with new developments.
    And it’s the same for you.
    Apparently. apart from the hammer, you have not seen anything in your life.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 18 August 2019 22: 41
      -1
      No, it’s not clear. YOU ARE A BAD LECTOR. And with logic, YOU are bad and your opponent YOU are not able to understand. Or do not want to understand. And you are rude. hi It's not my fault that you are a brake.
  24. tracer
    tracer 19 August 2019 07: 04
    -4
    The drone always implies control, except for emergency modes of landing or returning. Artificial intelligence is still too weak to compare with humans in many basic ways, and above all, the non-standard nature of the decision algorithm. Any control can be intercepted or blocked, or disrupted. Another question is how? But that is another question. Modern drones are quite successful and get off and intercepted when properly opposed, not by shamanic tambourines, but by quite decent equipment. So, soon the fairy tale affects ... yes not soon .. Well, you are in the know.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 20 August 2019 21: 54
      0
      Quote: tracer
      The drone always implies control, except for emergency modes of landing or returning. Artificial intelligence is still too weak to compare with humans in many basic ways, and above all, the non-standard nature of the decision algorithm. Any control can be intercepted or blocked, or disrupted. Another question is how? But that is another question. Modern drones are quite successful and get off and intercepted when properly opposed, not by shamanic tambourines, but by quite decent equipment. So, soon the fairy tale affects ... yes not soon .. Well, you are in the know.


      Two promising Air-to-Air missiles, working in pairs - will not give a single chance to any fighter.
      Interacting with each other, standing on the trajectory of movement, blocking all possible maneuvers of the target fighter — through the swarm that is currently being developed by the self-government system.
      This is the business of the next two to five years.

      By artificial intelligence.
      The Cerebrus processor came out a week ago.
      This, by the way, is the day of judgment.
      I highly recommend paying attention to this product - special attention ...
      Cerebras Processor - Cerebras Wafer Scale Engine (WSE)
  25. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 19 August 2019 09: 47
    -1
    The photos are just wonderful. It’s clear that Boeing’s digital technology is a great help in making great presentations! True, the idea that digital technologies, or rather the terrible jambs in this rubbish from Boeing, filled up their two cars with no chance ...
  26. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 11: 35
    0
    Quote: dinis
    Although the Americans are the real enemies of our country, I still wish good luck to Boeing. I would like to have time to see something interesting in aviation. I am for a leap in the global aircraft industry.

    something in any Boeing development I wish him good luck; I have no desire.
    from their dreamliner to military UAVs - their success entails too many negative consequences.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 19 August 2019 16: 38
      +1
      I wouldn’t roll a barrel on a Boeing like that. All the same, the fleet of civilian aircraft in both Russia and my Belarus currently consists mainly of Boeing aircraft. Yes, they had a joint with Dreamliner Max, it happens. As they say, they wanted the best and decided to compensate for the misalignment of the alignment engines by introducing teams into the flight control system to automatically compensate for this lack of alignment without the intervention of the pilots, but it turned out that these teams killed both the cars and the people in them. Unfortunately, not one aircraft developer in the world is immune from such jambs. On the other hand, the mass of aircraft from Boeing, including the Boeing 747 has been flying for decades and the statistics of their disasters are not so depressing. As for their military projects, it will be possible to judge them only by their successes and failures in the conditions of a real clash (God forbid, of course) with a comparable enemy in strength.
      And a few words about drones. The level of development of artificial intelligence in developed countries has already reached the level where drone operators no longer need to fly drones all the time. It is enough to issue the BZ to the drone and give target designation and then make a decision on the use of weapons and control the result of this use. (Here it is necessary to remind that decision-making in military systems is still up to the person) The drone will do the rest by itself (we are naturally not talking about primitive drones, but about drones of the latest generations, saturated with modern computer systems, digital secure data transmission lines and similar bells and whistles As an example, we can cite not even military drones, but "unmanned" cars and turntables for quite peaceful purposes, which are not being developed now only by the lazy and which are quite successfully being tested in various countries.
      Well, the vulnerability of drones from air defense systems is also a thing in itself. Naturally, a high-flying and subsonic drone can be easily detected and shot down by modern air defense systems. But if the drone flies at low altitude, hiding behind the folds of the terrain, and even at high speed and m, aneurizing, it will not be so easy to shoot down. In general, the eternal competition of the shield and sword. At some stage, the sword can prevail over the shield, at some stage the situation can change exactly the opposite.
      And about the "humanity" of drones. A combat drone is just one of the weapons systems. And how they will be disposed of depends not on the drone but on those who use it. They will want to conduct reconnaissance, they will want to destroy enemy targets, they will want to carry food and medicines.
  27. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 16: 43
    -1
    Quote: gregor6549
    I wouldn’t roll a barrel on a Boeing like that. All the same, the fleet of civilian aircraft in both Russia and my Belarus currently consists mainly of Boeing aircraft.

    and before that it was completely ours and was no less reliable.
    the stream of cars that organized the Boeing became possible only in connection with the collapse of the USSR.
    Finally, I'm not happy with broilers. After the last flight, blood was flowing from my ears. the last time my neighbor was a German. My Boeing 737 nearly crashed in May due to stupid winglets of the earlier version. Oh, I have reasons to drive a hefty barrel to Boeing, because of the dozens of flights on the Tu-154 and 154 m there was never a single problem.
    1. gregor6549
      gregor6549 20 August 2019 03: 10
      +1
      Quote: yehat
      and before that it was completely ours and was no less reliable.

      The fact that we agreed was clear, but there were problems with the reliability of civil aircraft (and even Vienna), although great attention was paid to their solution.
      Either the Yak 42 with passengers collapsed over Belarus at an altitude of about 10000 m, then the toilet in the Rostov ATC Center leaked and this leak led to a complete failure of all the equipment of the Center. I'm not even talking about the so-called. "Prerequisites for flight accidents", information sheets about which were hung in bundles on the walls of office buildings at all major airports in the country. And it was not recommended to publish information in the media about plane crashes in those days. Those. the lack of knowledge of the general public about all these cases does not mean that they did not exist.
  28. Pacifist with AK
    Pacifist with AK 19 August 2019 18: 57
    -1
    Quote: dinis
    I set the minus for the distortion of words. The clowns are already tired of all sorts of ugly Russian words.

    Quote: dinis
    I put a minus for the distortion of words. Already tired of all sorts of clowns
    ugly words Russian.
    Piramidon (Stepan. Russia) Today, 11:08
    +3
    Quote: dinis
    I put a minus for the distortion of words

    I support. good These young "Albans-pads" have already got them with their "YazyG"
    Not going to justify, nothing. Let's analyze:
    - for advocates of the purity of the language: the word "thinking" was SPECIALLY put in quotation marks (!), which, naturally, completely changes the meaning;
    - 55 years old, I can relate to young pads with a huge stretch;
    - is the word "sarcasm" out of use?;
    - I regard gay liberals, admirers of Western "democracy" as "thinking";
    About me: a scoop, an imperial, not a fan of Putin, but not an opponent, I do not live in Russia; I am nostalgic for the Union (within reasonable limits).
    Any questions?
    P.S. A lot of noise, men))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  29. Slat808
    Slat808 19 August 2019 21: 36
    -1
    The drone resembles the f-35. And regarding the accompaniment of the lead by one or more drones, the radar illumination will improve.