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Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the Council of Europe: Country loses signs of state

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The Permanent Representative of Ukraine to the Council of Europe, Dmitry Kuleba, presented an article in the Ukrainian media regarding the state of the modern Ukrainian state. According to Kuleba, the state service of Ukraine today is "limping on both legs."




Kuleba noted that the result of this is the process of losing the main attributes of statehood - the population and the territory.

The Ukrainian diplomat said that while "painfully slowly and painfully, Ukraine continues to move forward."

Starting about a “lame” civil service, Kuleba eventually switched to searching for the external causes of Ukrainian failures. In this regard, without becoming original in Kiev, he announced that the problems of Ukraine are connected with the "occupation".

The article “Ukraine is losing the main features of the state” itself provoked a heated discussion in Kiev. Some demanded to punish Kuleba for “unpatriotic statements and assessments”, while others noted: it is difficult to lose what Ukraine has not had for a long time. As an example of the controversy of Ukraine’s statehood, an episode of the Poroshenko era is given when the US vice president (then) Joe Biden, who flew in from Washington, was seated in the chair of the Ukrainian prime minister.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 18 August 2019 13: 08
    +11
    An example of the controversy of Ukraine’s statehood is the episode of the Poroshenko era when the government meeting was held by US Vice President (then) Joe Biden, who had flown in from Washington, sitting in the chair of the Ukrainian Prime Minister.
    And all that? And how the prime minister and the Kiev mayor were appointed, immediately after the coup, the fact that the Armed Forces and the Security Service of Ukraine are under full foreign control, that citizens of foreign states over and over again occupy key ministerial posts, "radical patriots" who over and over again take on the role of police, many "semi-state" military formations, is it "passed by"?
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 18 August 2019 13: 20
      +9
      What a twist! Who would have thought?! Ukraine "with the strongest army in Europe" fellow (according to Poroshenko, of course) and loses signs of statehood! Ukraine lost its statehood back in 1991, and in 2014 there was nothing left of it at all. request
      1. 210ox
        210ox 18 August 2019 13: 40
        +1
        They lost statehood when they fell under the Poles. In a thousand shaggy year.
        1. svp67
          svp67 18 August 2019 13: 42
          +1
          Quote: 210ox
          They lost statehood when they fell under the Poles. In a thousand shaggy year.

          ?????? It’s strange. Then you really have to start here with the Tatar-Mongol raid, and even with the Khazar Khaganate
          1. 210ox
            210ox 18 August 2019 13: 45
            +2
            And I about it. Their statehood began with the Pereslavl Rada as part of a single state. And again, as you noticed in 1991 ..
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 18 August 2019 14: 07
              +1
              Quote: 210ox
              And I about it. Their statehood began with the Pereslavl Rada as part of a single state. And again, as you noticed in 1991 ..
              The role of the Pereyaslav Rada cannot be exaggerated. Remind you, in the Rada, 15 percent of the territory of modern Ukraine was annexed to Russia. But this is still half the battle. To take under the protection of Ukraine, Russia needed to fight Polandwhich she did. And thirdly, Ukraine did not do it from a good life, the Poles inflicted a number of defeats on Khmelnitsky, from which he could not recover. I’m saying all this, a number of Ukrainian historians present the Pereyaslav Rada as a kind of favor to Russia from Ukraine, although in reality it was not so.
            2. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 18 August 2019 23: 51
              0
              Quote: 210ox
              And again, as you noticed in 1991 ..

              Well, of course, this was noticed by all "nezalezhnosti", their state, their own sweet and dear government (their own Ukrainian, without strangers). But somehow everything went askew, in short "sideways". And I always remember the Ukrainian parable "where the hachol passed, the Jew has nothing to do". It is very cleverly and cockyly said, immediately a chill, these guys, in general, will show how to work, or ... As a result, Israel is a very sufficient country (Ukrainians love to relax there, working as janitors, cleaners and bartenders), and I still did not understand Ukraine than it has become, but Jews from Israel do not like to rest in this country, but this is what they like to grab. Here is the answer "who went where, and who has nothing to do."
          2. Volkof
            Volkof 18 August 2019 15: 44
            -4
            Yes there was no Tatar-Mongol raid! Prince Vladimir destroyed 9 / 10 of the adult population of his Russia at baptism ... The Slavs refused the slave religion with priests and did not want to change their gods and lose their freedom ... Neighbors Slavs of Mogula Tartara could not look at this murder and set their brains on the Kiev princes , and at the same time some Europeans .... Geyropeytsy to humiliate the Slavs forgot about the great country of Tartaria, and came up with a raid of weak Mongol Tatars ...
            1. svp67
              svp67 18 August 2019 15: 48
              +1
              Quote: Volkof
              Yes there was no Tatar-Mongol raid!

              Really? Apparently these were "evil M. Skolyaki" were .... Less read the nonsense of "pseudo-historians" such as Fomenko and Nosovsky
              Lord, why are you punishing this people. Many archaeological expeditions have worked and are working on your territory in the same old Kiev, which find traces of that invasion, including dead people with Mongol-like skulls and weapons typical of the Horde.
              1. Antares
                Antares 18 August 2019 19: 27
                -3
                Quote: svp67
                Read less the nonsense of "pseudo-historians" like Fomenko and Nosovsky

                both Russians, where are we?
                Quote: svp67
                Many archaeological expeditions have worked and are working on your territory in the same old Kiev, which find traces of that invasion, including dead people with Mongol-like skulls and weapons typical of the Horde.

                In Ukraine, MIT and its values ​​are not denied.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 18 August 2019 19: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Antares
                  both Russians, where are we?

                  You have enough of your own such "storytellers", starting with the name Vyatrovich
            2. Major Yurik
              Major Yurik 18 August 2019 20: 16
              0
              Quote: Volkof
              Yes there was no Tatar-Mongol raid! Prince Vladimir destroyed 9 / 10 of the adult population of his Russia at baptism ... The Slavs refused the slave religion with priests and did not want to change their gods and lose their freedom ... Neighbors Slavs of Mogula Tartara could not look at this murder and set their brains on the Kiev princes , and at the same time some Europeans .... Geyropeytsy to humiliate the Slavs forgot about the great country of Tartaria, and came up with a raid of weak Mongol Tatars ...

              Doctors ah! belay
        2. Major Yurik
          Major Yurik 18 August 2019 14: 10
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          They lost statehood when they fell under the Poles. In a thousand shaggy year.

          Everything is very natural, at first the rulers of the state lose their conscience and sense of proportion, and then the country loses statehood! This is an axiom! negative
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 18 August 2019 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Major Yurik
            Everything is very natural, at first the rulers of the state lose their conscience and sense of proportion, and then the country loses statehood!

            Something like this. The loss of population and territories is only a consequence of the loss of statehood, to which Ukraine was led by its rulers even before the events of 2014. The CIA occupied its floor in the SBU Directorate in Kueva even before the Maidan, and it also ruled the "rulers".
      2. major147
        major147 18 August 2019 17: 26
        0
        Quote: Proxima
        What a twist!

        Come on! Here in the Government of Russia they just started talking about the transition to a 4-day working week, but on the outskirts already!
        Motor Sich Shifts to 4-Day Workweek

        “On August 13, an order was signed on the transition to a four-day working week. Friday will be a weekend starting September 1.
        The company produces aircraft engines and gas turbine units, supplying its products to more than 100 countries. However, the main markets for products have always been the Russian Federation and the EAEU countries. After the well-known events of 2014 and the subsequent ban on Ukrainian enterprises selling dual-use products with Russia, a significant part of Motor Sich contracts, as well as other engineering enterprises in Ukraine, was frozen. As a result, the plant began to plunge into crisis. In the first half of 2019 alone, Motor Sich received UAH 425,7 million. loss.
        For overseas and European puppeteers Vladimir Zelensky and his party “Servant of the People”, such a high-tech enterprise as “Motor Sich” has always been seen as a potential competitor, which would be logical to close and traditionally cut to metal with the influence on Ukraine that they have in recent years . However, the labor collective of the enterprise resisted this scenario for a long time. Now the workers do not have this opportunity.
    2. knn54
      knn54 18 August 2019 13: 40
      +2
      It all began under Yushchenko, when the US Ambassador to Ukraine presented diplomas to graduates of the "SBU School".
      1. svp67
        svp67 18 August 2019 13: 46
        +2
        Quote: knn54
        Sergei, it all began under Yushchenko, when the US Ambassador to Ukraine presented diplomas to graduates of the "SBU School".

        No, it all started much earlier, right after the collapse of the USSR, under Kravchuk. And the connection of Ukraine, under Kuchma, to the "Partnership for Peace" with NATO, when Ukrainian soldiers went to fight under the leadership of the United States, how is that?
        1. knn54
          knn54 18 August 2019 14: 17
          +3
          Not only Ukraine was drawn into the "Partnership", but that diplomas to future intelligence officers / counterintelligence officers would be presented by the ambassador of another state, this is a sign of "lack of independence."
          The question is how the former "migrant workers" who have seized power, or rather their grandfathers / great-grandfathers, interpret independence:
          "Ukraine will be vilna at the freedom of life,
          Every Ukrainian will serve the Habsburgs "...
          (From the Galician song)
          Only today not the Habsburgs, but the State Department, and everything else remains.
  2. Sky strike fighter
    Sky strike fighter 18 August 2019 13: 09
    +1
    “Ukraine is losing the main features of the state” provoked heated discussion in Kiev itself. Some demanded to punish Kuleba for “unpatriotic statements and assessments”, while others noted: it is difficult to lose what Ukraine has not had for a long time.

    What a surprise after 28 years of total dribbling of the once richest republic of the former Soviet Union. And patriots in Ukraine are apparently those who do not like realities and prefer to live in a dream world.
  3. figwam
    figwam 18 August 2019 13: 10
    +1
    Some demanded to punish Kuleba for “unpatriotic statements and assessments”

    The king is naked, but everything is fine in the saucepan.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 18 August 2019 13: 41
      +1
      So coy pots can cover everything ... And stupidity, and shame ..
  4. no one
    no one 18 August 2019 13: 13
    +3
    the civil service of Ukraine today is "limping on both legs."

    It’s not only limping today, it’s limping for them for almost the third decade
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 August 2019 13: 16
    +4
    The country is losing signs of state
    Has it really begun to reach some? Here are some of these would have influenced Ukrainian politics. The reaction of the independent Natsiks to such a statement is understandable, but no matter how they show off, and the matter really goes to this - the collapse of Ukraine.
    1. PalBor
      PalBor 18 August 2019 13: 29
      0
      Yes it does not reach the beginning. This is called: spit in the outgoing, you look a new notice and warms. A true diplomat and patriot. Guilty of troubles: Russia is an aggressor, the previous government is inept, but Ukraine is above all and now everything will work out.
  6. Nycomed
    Nycomed 18 August 2019 13: 17
    0
    [i] “Ukraine is losing the main features of the state” [/ i]
    And they, "signs", did they ever actually have?
  7. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 18 August 2019 13: 18
    +1
    Judging by all the signs, Ukraine is an overseas territory or a US colony.
    There are no other definitions.
    Or correct me, if not ?????
    1. Elysium
      Elysium 18 August 2019 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
      Judging by all the signs, Ukraine is an overseas territory or a US colony.
      There are no other definitions.
      Or correct me, if not ?????

      Not really. The inhabitants of the colonies have at least some chance of becoming a citizen of the metropolis. An example is small shaves.
      They used it here (resources and politics), and then on the sidelines.
  8. demo
    demo 18 August 2019 13: 24
    +1
    Kuleba noted that the result of this is the process of losing the main attributes of statehood - the population and the territory.
    The Ukrainian diplomat said that while "painfully slowly and painfully, Ukraine continues to move forward."


    In what plan is Ukraine moving forward?
    In terms of loss of population and territories?
    So it was predicted.
    Culeb did not discover anything new.

    And actually I remembered.
    Russian and Ukrainian talk in 2014 about the signs of statehood.
    The coat of arms, anthem and banner are signs of statehood, the Ukrainian claims. And adds language.
    And they begin to compare words.
    It turns out that the coat of arms, and the anthem, and the banner that in Russian, that in Ukrainian sounds the same.
    And they stumbled on the different sounds of the designation of the place in which they were sitting.
    Conclusion: because of cf..ki such a country was gouged.

    For people like Kuleba, instead of the head and brain, what the participants in the joke argued about.
  9. eagle owl
    eagle owl 18 August 2019 13: 28
    +4
    The first sign of a country's loss of statehood is the loss of a state monopoly on violence. As soon as the private armies of oligarchs not controlled by the center arose, the country of Ukraine ended. You do not lose, you have already lost the state 5 years ago. You have a clown sitting in the president's chair, who doesn't listen to him. "Stop firing," he commands. Yeah, schA, I'll get a hangover and stop right away - a bandit from the DUK PS gang, which has no status, answers him. And if he makes a decision that the owner of the cattle will not like Dung - tomorrow they will start throwing grenades into the crowd, by the way, they already have it, and this will be so until the "head of state" makes a decision that suits the owner of the private army
  10. Mouse
    Mouse 18 August 2019 13: 33
    +3
    at the same time, "painfully slowly and painfully, Ukraine continues to move forward."

    Two steps to the left
    Two steps to the right
    Step in two and two back .... yes
    sausage to the fullest ... wink
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 18 August 2019 13: 34
    +1
    Just a statement of facts, like b norms ..... but assessments and ...... but there are no plans and there can be nothing normal, needed by such empty-headed! Some groans, complaints to "higher authorities" !!! which on the problems of "Indians" as it is pof!
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 August 2019 13: 35
    +3
    It is clear that they already lost statehood in the 91st year, and then everything was falling, however, at different speeds in different periods ... The fall has accelerated recently. The country has lost a mass of population (according to various estimates, up to 30% of the 91st year), and of the territory. Mass departure of the working-age population ... etc.
    But now there are a lot of people on the site who want to "minus" the obvious ... It's a pity that the flags have stopped appearing ... Earlier it was more clear ... Who and where it is from.
  13. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 18 August 2019 13: 57
    +3
    The check of the statehood and independence of the outskirts has once again failed .. Again, everything is destroyed and the sea of ​​blood .. Again, "warriors" will scatter to the caches .. And they will wait for the next "collapse" of Russia!
    EVERYTHING this time do not sit back. Khrushchev, Brezhnev were Ukrainians .. Enough already! Run to Canada! hi And the questions "And we are for sho ..?" not accepted .
  14. silver169
    silver169 18 August 2019 14: 07
    0
    In my opinion the unfinished "outskirts" have long lost their human image.
  15. Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 August 2019 14: 09
    0
    It turns out she only loses. Optimist, EPRST!
  16. beeper
    beeper 18 August 2019 14: 12
    0
    Take the above-Washington Pan Biden then, after the flight of Janek, "built" his local lackeys-Maidan Fuhrer-"myzdobulov", sitting in the Ukropresidential chair, at the head of the table under the state flag and the presidential standard, making it clear who seized power in Ukraine in the result of "euromaidan"!
  17. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 18 August 2019 14: 14
    -2
    Ukraine's problems are related to the "occupation"


    He is right, all sorts of fascists, ghouls and other Dodiks in power occupied Ukraine.
  18. wow
    wow 18 August 2019 14: 22
    0
    Another voiced what has long been clear to everyone.
  19. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 18 August 2019 14: 57
    -1
    And I said, and I repeat, Ukraine as a state must be destroyed.
    1. Antares
      Antares 18 August 2019 19: 34
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      And I said, and I repeat, Ukraine as a state must be destroyed.

      Yes, we are in the know.
      Nothing lasts forever.
      I read his speech. And so what?
      Did Ukraine really lose 13.22% of its territory? Lost it.
      Has the population declined? Decreased
      The permanent representative says that the imposition of loss of territory + population threatens Ukraine quite strongly, but at the same time, the country is developing, albeit slowly.
      He did not say anything so ill-conceived. The same words were said by the future president of Ukraine.
      And ROSSMI is just a holiday of gag like that "the Ukrainians have recognized the loss of Ukraine's signs of the state themselves" ... if only they would have read the original source.
      There he has - development despite all the unfavorable circumstances. Loss of territory + population, wars .. overloads and "revolutions" .. reforms and so on
  20. rus-5819
    rus-5819 18 August 2019 16: 41
    0
    The Ukrainian diplomat said that while "painfully slowly and painfully, Ukraine continues to move forward."

    Hedgehogs cried, pricked, but ... (then everyone knows) laughing
  21. iouris
    iouris 18 August 2019 20: 34
    0
    Ukraine is not a country, but part of the country. Without a head, the tail of a snake does not know where to crawl. And, if there is a problem at the head, then the bird cannot live.
  22. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 August 2019 00: 13
    0
    PEOPLE and LAND - the foundation of the State! For superiors from Ukraine (e.g. Kuleba wassat ) they are ATTRIBUTE ... fool
  23. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 19 August 2019 03: 52
    +1
    The country, for all the time of its existence, was under someone's control and this is already in the genes !!! They will not be able to live and govern independently, and therefore they are shy to which "shore" to stick to !? Only Russia can tolerate such a "folk" because it is our offspring. They have the same neighbors, Poles.