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The ex-deputy of the Rada published documents on the crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass

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Ex-deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Alexey Zhuravko on his page in Facebook published scans of documents telling about crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the territory of Donbass in 2014-2015 years. He did not indicate the source of the documents.


The ex-deputy of the Rada published documents on the crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Donbass


As follows from the report, signed by the acting head of the Military Law Enforcement Service in the Armed Forces, Major General I.L. Krishtun, during the 2014-2015 years, there was a significant increase in the number of crimes against civilians in the territory of Donbass. According to Zhuravko, he cited statistics on the crimes of the so-called "warriors of the world", which are actually "real looters, killers, robbers, robbers and rapists." The ex-deputy stressed that these data are still hiding from the population of Ukraine.

The report refers to four crimes of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which Krishtun cited as an example to the Minister of Defense of Ukraine Poltorak:

So, on 5 on November 2014, a soldier under the 79 contract, a military ambassador of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, Palamarchuk, intoxicated entered a private house where he raped a girl and killed her father, who protected her.

On 16 on March 2015 in Konstantinovka, Donetsk Region, a mobilized soldier Karpinets, while intoxicated by an armored personnel carrier, hit two women walking along the sidewalk. As a result, one woman died on the spot. the second was seriously injured.

On 14 on June 2015, mobilized soldiers of the 30 separate mechanized brigade left the unit’s location without permission, entered a private house and killed two women.

On 20 on August 2015, mobilized 53 servicemen of a separate mechanized Reznikov and Dyachuk and contract soldier Nightingale killed a taxi driver who drove them to the unit, shooting him from machine guns. The body of the executed man was hidden in a forest belt, the car was abandoned.

It should be noted that most of the crimes of the Ukrainian Armed Forces committed against civilians in the Donbass have not yet been disclosed, and the perpetrators of them still calmly serve in the Ukrainian army or require benefits for “veterans and heroes” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. defending the "freedom of Ukraine" by breastfeeding.
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  1. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 18 August 2019 11: 44
    +15
    We have a so-called "white paper" in Russia since 2015 .. Everything has been recorded since then! hiPersons of action, statements ..photo ..

    How is it..? This is not photoshop ..
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 18 August 2019 11: 51
      +15
      We have a so-called "white paper" in Russia since 2015 .. Everything has been recorded since then! hiPersons of actions, statements ..photo ..

      The problem is that we only fix, resent, express fears .. Our people were stolen, we are outraged .. but swallowed, dip property was taken away - they were again outraged and so on .. But non-dependent countries act differently, Iran has a tanker arrested, they also answered in a mirror way and lo and behold, their tanker was immediately released ..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 August 2019 11: 58
        +8
        In Iran, if anyone keeps the money outside, then he grins to the fullest and the first one will yell, how evil hells are outside!
        You can’t compare with ours ... they’re not playing very well, of course they can spend and call, but they will never do ANYTHING against foreign partners !!!! What their partners there are very aware of.
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 18 August 2019 12: 02
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          What their partners there are very aware of.

          Yes, and this is annoying ... They all hold tight to the causal place, and why? Money earned in Russia needs to be invested in Russia, children should study and be treated with us - here patriotism!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 08
            +10
            Annoying? That is to say the least!
            Especially when, at the expense of patriotism, it’s not at all ours who are talking who have no straws set up behind the hillock, but that they are pulling everything out of the bins of the Motherland and we have ALL!
          2. dvina71
            dvina71 18 August 2019 15: 49
            +1
            Quote: Svarog
            children should study and be treated with us

            Ie you are for the transfer of authority by inheritance?
            For me, so let them where they want to study .. In the civil service to accept only after serving in the armed forces.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 01
              +3
              Quote: dvina71
              Ie you are for the transfer of authority by inheritance?

              Why do you think so?
              Quote: dvina71
              For me, so let them where they want to study .. In the civil service to accept only after serving in the armed forces.

              It's very simple, if you and your children are being treated / studied in Russia, then you, as part of the "elite", will strive / adopt laws / to improve the quality of education, medicine, etc. And if you and your children, get these services abroad, you don’t know about real problems and of course you will not do anything good for these areas .. yes, you will not be able to. As an example with medicine .. now we (in Tatarstan) children's polyclinics work as bureaus for inquiries .. to a kindergarten, school, etc. If earlier it was obligatory to take a blood test, now we give out roots for tests at all stopped .. you need to, go take it for a fee ... And a serious diagnosis without a blood test, how do you put it? In hospitals, it really became empty ... there were queues before, but they were empty not because they created a system and logistics .. but because everyone immediately goes to paid clinics, because there is simply nothing to do in free clinics .. So they reformed medicine .. So in all spheres we have-nonsense .. continuous reforms, and according to the results, not a single face is responsible .. they are doing well.
              1. machinistvl
                machinistvl 18 August 2019 16: 10
                +4
                A little off topic, but I completely agree with you, they did not reform medicine, but completely destroyed it, all over Russia.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 13
                  +2
                  Quote: machinistvl
                  A little off topic, but I completely agree with you, they did not reform medicine, but completely destroyed it, all over Russia.

                  And not only medicine .. that education is better? Children come to school, they are given the task of what they need to do at home, then they check what they have learned .. and parents have to chew and learn at home .. Take every area of ​​life everywhere ... But they have solid breakthroughs there .. the population is decreasing year after year ..
                  1. Victor N
                    Victor N 18 August 2019 17: 31
                    -1
                    Count your grandchildren. And appoint the culprit for the demographics ....
                    1. Bomb
                      Bomb 19 August 2019 09: 40
                      0
                      Counted his near-minded?
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 18 August 2019 22: 03
                    -1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    for some reason, our population is decreasing year after year

                    I look forward to when, finally, the widely advertised "population decline" will finally affect the contingent of paid trolls on VO laughing

                    And then there are more and more of them ... strange somehow, does not correlate even once request
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 12
                -1
                Quote: Svarog

                Why do you think so?

                You are concerned about the "correct" education of the children of the current leaders .. HERE the only thought comes to mind .. you see them in the place of their parents .. otherwise their education would not bother you.
                Quote: Svarog
                Everything is very simple, if you and your children are being treated / studied in Russia, then you, as part of the "elite", will strive / pass laws / to improve the quality of education, medicine, etc.

                Nonsense .. in Russia they will study and be treated in "their" schools and hospitals .. we are in ours ..
                The only way to somehow influence the work of the State Duma is to reform it. Cancel the election by party lists and set a schedule .. Two months in your constituency. Month in Moscow ..
                Only in this way they will know what kind of life is outside their circle .. Yes .. and take away from them (DG) state transport .. let them go to work like everyone else ..
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Nonsense .. in Russia they will study and be treated in "their" schools and hospitals .. we are in ours ..

                  In today's realities, this is nonsense, but we are talking about how to. And it is necessary so that the children study and go to ordinary schools and clinics.

                  Quote: dvina71
                  The only way to somehow influence the work of the State Duma is to reform it.

                  DG is generally a bunch of parasites now .. and SF is an incomprehensible body at all .. a lot of people get money \ privileges for what they just are .. The whole system needs to be reformed ..

                  Quote: dvina71
                  Cancel the election by party lists and set a schedule .. Two months in your constituency. Month in Moscow ..

                  Vacations for them are offered to them in the Duma, then go to a crowbar, and having left for your district .. sooner more often they will dangle over the hill over the kids ..
                  Quote: dvina71
                  Yes .. and take away from them (DG) state transport .. let them go to work like everyone else ..

                  Here I completely agree ..
                  In general, the number of Duma thinkers needs to be reduced, just one representative for the federal district is enough, instead of the Federation Council, you need to make a council of scientists who would consider any initiatives from all sides .. and put forward their own.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 24
                    +1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    In today's realities, this is nonsense, but we are talking about how to.
                    Vacations for them are offered to them in the thought, then go to scrap

                    We must proceed from reality, not from "the right way" ..
                    No .. I don’t propose .., but if I got out of Perm and go there .. it’s not difficult to establish a control there ... if the voters are so lazy and will not go to him with their problems ..

                    1. Svarog
                      Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 25
                      0
                      Quote: dvina71
                      We must proceed from reality, not from "the right way" ..

                      Then the realities will always be as they are now .. The realities need to be changed, in this I see progress. Another question is how to do this.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Realities need to be changed, in this I see progress.

                        Replacing realities turned into the death of all Padawans .. the future elite of the republic ...
                        There are two ways to do this .. Break everything and build it all again .. Not tired?
                        Two .. make the government think about the development of the country and the problems of the population, and not about increasing the money bags of sponsors .. including the reform of the Duma.
                      2. Svarog
                        Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Replacing realities turned into the death of all Padawans .. the future elite of the republic ...
                        There are two ways to do this .. Break everything and build it all again .. Not tired?

                        Tired of it. On this above and wrote. How to change the reality, I do not know. But doing this is vital for the country.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Two .. make the government think about the development of the country and the problems of the population, and not about increasing the money bags of sponsors .. including the reform of the Duma.

                        Here's how to make her (the power) do it? They’ve been in power for 20 years and don’t want to leave .. but for 20 years they have completely torn off the earth (aliens). In other words, an evolutionary path of development is needed, not a revolutionary one .. But they do not want to evolve.
                      3. dvina71
                        dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 53
                        +2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        In other words, an evolutionary path of development is needed, not a revolutionary one .. But they do not want to evolve.

                        This is bad .. Sooner or later it will come to a standstill .. and then everyone will not feel good ..
                        Although Kiriyenko proposed to abolish the Duma elections by party lists .. as he hints that they are considering the options there ..
                        Wherever a level 1/2 administrator .. although ... Stalin ... take ...
                      4. Svarog
                        Svarog 18 August 2019 16: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Wherever a level 1/2 administrator .. although ... Stalin ... take ...

                        I'm afraid the administrator will not be able to do anything. The level of Beria is needed, he achieved all the tasks, and Stalin set the tasks.
                        Quote: dvina71
                        This is bad .. Sooner or later it will come to a standstill .. and then everyone will not feel good ..

                        Everything goes to this.
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 18 August 2019 21: 19
                        -3
                        Quote: Svarog
                        All this goes

                        Doesn’t go, buddy ... this is your order to come ...

                        Bummer you guys ... bummer request
                      6. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 18 August 2019 21: 30
                        -2
                        Quote: Svarog
                        Realities need to be changed, in this progress I see

                        Quote: Master Yoda
                        Do you want to give your potato to me?


                        Quote: Svarog
                        Another question is how to do it.

                        Incitement is punishable, Svarog)))
                  2. Victor N
                    Victor N 18 August 2019 17: 40
                    +1
                    Why on earth do you prescribe ALL rules? By right of foreman? Any person should have freedom of choice! We must not ban, but equip the country so that life is more comfortable. So that neither the money would be withdrawn nor the children would try to leave. This, of course, is much more complicated than banning.
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 18 August 2019 21: 57
                      -3
                      Quote: Victor N
                      victor n

                      Do not feed)))
                  3. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 19 August 2019 20: 19
                    -1
                    Quote: Svarog
                    The whole system needs to be reformed ..

                    In order to reform something, it is necessary, at least, to understand how this “something” works. Judging by your statements -

                    Quote: Svarog
                    and SF is not an understandable body at all ..

                    “You do not understand this.”

                    But, as we see, this does not interfere with pounding the plusegi on laughing
              3. Umalta
                Umalta 18 August 2019 19: 14
                -1
                He is treated and studied on a common basis, where ordinary people live, otherwise they will quickly build special institutions for themselves.
          3. major147
            major147 18 August 2019 17: 16
            +2
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: rocket757
            What their partners there are very aware of.

            Yes, and this is annoying ... They all hold tight to the causal place, and why? Money earned in Russia needs to be invested in Russia, children should study and be treated with us - here patriotism!

            In "theirs" manuals, one of the first points is the recommendation of transferring from the problem under discussion to the problems of those who are discussing themselves, which was clearly demonstrated here. Thus, an information war is being waged against Russia.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 18 August 2019 22: 00
              -3
              Quote: major147
              In "theirs" manuals, one of the first points is the recommendation of transferring from the problem under discussion to the problems of the discussing themselves, which was clearly demonstrated here

              So, maybe this, that ... lightly crush these local svarog, along with their manuals? wink
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 18 August 2019 12: 22
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          You can’t compare it with ours ... they’re not playing very well, they can certainly spend and call, but they will never do ANYTHING against foreign partners!

          hi Victor.
          Ours - yes, in the best case, "pogukayut" from the podium or in the social. networks. Yes, corporate interests are often higher than those of the state. This outrages the majority of the population and the "truth-tellers", but things are still in the same place since the "horse" is in free float. In general, this situation is inherent in all countries (except for those who have nothing to lose). Sometimes sound voices break through in the media and Inet, but the government and the “competent” spit on them. Here's an example - the other day in the states:

          So what? This bloody thief rides around the Ruin, hits his chest swollen with fat with his fists and "margal" to all the libels about his bloody thieves' address.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 33
            +2
            Quote: Lelek
            ? This bloody thief rides around the Ruin, hits his fat-swollen chest with his fists and "margal" to all the slander in his bloody thief address

            Hi soldier
            They know how, they know how to lure cousins, lure, caress and put on a collar! Centuries-old experience, this cannot be taken away from them.
            They will pull, set off .... and when the time comes, they will strangle without hesitation about some universal human !!! It’s not a good collar! Reliable, proven!
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 18 August 2019 12: 46
              -2
              Quote: rocket757
              Бthey’ll pull off, set off .... and when the time comes, they will strangle without hesitation about some universal human !!! It’s not a good collar! Reliable, proven!


              "Cousins" - who do you mean? If leaving, then pah on their "moves", and the new roles have not yet been learned, and the qualifications - "oops!" The variant with Sashko Bilym is possible, but at the same time the "puppeteer" will say: "Taboo! ... oh well, then - no salary." The nouveau riche Waltzman is needed as an irritant and a factor of chaos in the Ruin, and as long as this is so, nothing will happen to him, and blah blah in the media and networks is just blah blah for the plebs. yes
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 August 2019 13: 43
                +1
                Quote: Lelek
                "Cousins" - who do you mean

                In this case, the arrogant from the islands and their uncle / nephew, striped because of okeana! This is their business, relationship, more than once met such a definition.
                About intra-dill faces and there is nothing to discuss, naughty mongrels on a leash from the owner! In the best case, they will get a kick in the ass, in the worst, a bully with a loop ..... or a towel in the jacuzzi!
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 18 August 2019 18: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  ... hostile mongrels on the leash of the owner!


                  Fraudulent, yes, but talkative "to the point of impossibility" (Vysotsky). The other day, offended by Pan Ze ukroskuns Bessmertny, blurted out to the Air Force the plans of the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (according to US recommendations) for August 6 of this year: tongue

                  Resentment turned out to be more than feelings of self-preservation. yes
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 August 2019 18: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Lelek
                    Resentment turned out to be more than feelings of self-preservation

                    So the most relevant feeling today is exactly there ....
                    The truth is and frostbitten on his head! It and such peaceful life come across, and there the very same tsimus is collected.
      2. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 01
        +7
        Quote: Svarog
        We have a so-called "white paper" in Russia since 2015 .. Everything has been recorded since then! hiPersons of actions, statements ..photo ..

        The problem is that we only fix, resent, express fears .. Our people were stolen, we are outraged .. but swallowed, dip property was taken away - they were again outraged and so on .. But non-dependent countries act differently, Iran has a tanker arrested, they also answered in a mirror way and lo and behold, their tanker was immediately released ..

        We returned Crimea. We do not rent Donbass, but we fix it correctly. Sooner or later they will answer for their "neighbors".
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 18 August 2019 12: 05
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          We returned the Crimea.

          This is correct and good, but then what ..
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          We don’t surrender Donbass.

          In relation to Donbas, we have taken a wrong position. This is our land, and without looking back at the "partners", the whole world needed to show this .. and we showed that we are ready to watch how those who followed us on the wave of the Crimea are being killed methodically ..
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            We returned the Crimea.

            This is correct and good, but then what ..
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            We don’t surrender Donbass.

            In relation to Donbas, we have taken a wrong position. This is our land, and without looking back at the "partners", the whole world needed to show this .. and we showed that we are ready to watch how those who followed us on the wave of the Crimea are being killed methodically ..

            The "neighbors" are also killed every day. And half of the country left to work.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 18 August 2019 12: 22
              +3
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              The "neighbors" are also killed every day. And half of the country left to work.

              This is not our valor. And valor would be if we showed the whole world that Russian people should not be killed with impunity. And many would have followed us, and in Ukraine itself our supporters would have become more .. and to the West do not care ..
              1. Andrey Chistyakov
                Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 25
                0
                Quote: Svarog
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                The "neighbors" are also killed every day. And half of the country left to work.

                This is not our valor. And valor would be if we showed the whole world that Russian people should not be killed with impunity. And many would have followed us, and in Ukraine itself our supporters would have become more .. and to the West do not care ..

                Our valor is that we do not abandon them. And in August 2014 they saved. August 24 in particular.
              2. Dietmar
                Dietmar 18 August 2019 12: 47
                +2
                To my surprise, many of those in my native Zaporozhye, whom I knew well, began to position themselves as ardent and convinced Russian haters, began to volunteer in favor of the ATO, rejoiced at the shelling and killings of civilians in the Donbass. And these were not clogged and illiterate Hutsuls, but quite civilized RUSSIAN-SPEAKING people.
                1. Aristarkh Lyudvigovich
                  Aristarkh Lyudvigovich 18 August 2019 12: 56
                  0
                  Quote: Dietmar
                  And these were not clogged and illiterate Hutsuls, but quite civilized RUSSIAN-SPEAKING people.

                  Decades of propaganda have done their job. Nevzorov described it well in his publications.
                  https://topwar.ru/115557-russkie-yanychary-ukrainy-hudfilm.html
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 11
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
          .A we fix correctly. Sooner or later they will answer for their "neighbors

          The prosecutor is special, the office writes / captures!
          They’re not allowed into the business, but in vain!
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 13
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            .A we fix correctly. Sooner or later they will answer for their "neighbors

            The prosecutor is special, the office writes / captures!
            They’re not allowed into the business, but in vain!

            I just remember the "leaders of Ichkeria". Udugov remained and there was only one "human rights activist" in England.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 20
              +2
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              I just remember the "leaders of Ichkeria". Udugov remained and in England one "human rights activist

              Not one of course .... stuck to any old lady! There is simply not much public left ......
              The neighbors have enough odious faces, and the trial period must also come for them! Because it’s just no longer possible to judge them, they deserve their final .......
              1. Andrey Chistyakov
                Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 21
                -1
                Quote: rocket757
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                I just remember the "leaders of Ichkeria". Udugov remained and in England one "human rights activist

                Not one of course .... stuck to any old lady! There is simply not much public left ......
                The neighbors have enough odious faces, and the trial period must also come for them! Because it’s just no longer possible to judge them, they deserve their final .......

                Yes. To actress V. Redgraf.
          2. Svarog
            Svarog 18 August 2019 12: 14
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            The prosecutor is special, the office writes / captures!
            They’re not allowed into the business, but in vain!

            That's it, at least they caught, exported to Russia and judged that the Nazis would be afraid of their own shadow ..
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 22
              +1
              And again the question arises, will "ours" take the risk of quarreling with partners?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 18 August 2019 12: 29
                +1
                Quote: rocket757
                And again the question arises, will "ours" take the risk of quarreling with partners?

                So if we were willing to take risks, then the policy would be different, what is external, what is internal. If you mirror everything in the West, you’ll have to put things in order at home, you’ll have to restore production, science, medicine, etc. .. And it's not easy, you need to work seriously here .. it’s much easier to express fear / discontent \ swallow ... and calmly earn for the benefit of Europe and the USA ..
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  And this is not easy, it is necessary to work here and seriously .. it is much easier to express concern / discontent \ swallow ... and quietly earn money for the benefit of Europe and the USA

                  Wow, it’s also because nothing can be dragged off over the hill! It’s beyond their paradigm, don’t look at it!
              2. dvina71
                dvina71 18 August 2019 15: 54
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                And again the question arises, will "ours" take the risk of quarreling with partners?

                That is ... They hit on the nose in the Crimea .., did not allow the Libyan scenario in Syria by direct military (albeit limited) action, stood up for Venezuela ... Is that all? What is it? Happy Birthday? What do you think the quarrel in politics looks like?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 18 August 2019 16: 36
                  +1
                  And who said that "partners" are full of oak-oak trees and do not know how to sacrifice small, for the sake of acquiring much more?
                  Crimea, the supposed base of garbage, here are extremely quarreled with the people in disagreement and for a long time, it can be more important!
                  In Syria, striped shining expenses a lot more, not the fact that it is better for them, and the fact that we were stuck there for a long time ....
                  In everything you can find an excuse and some advantages.
                  Then, our rich are not yet very concerned about the restoration of the greatness of the Power ..... this is taken into account. Now, if suddenly .... then we'll see! Although I can not believe in any way that the rich will be at least something interesting than their personal enrichment.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 44
                    0
                    Quote: rocket757
                    And who said that "partners" are full of oak-oak trees and do not know how to sacrifice small, for the sake of acquiring much more?

                    Ie .. to allow the fall of US authority .. Vybeskryvaya Iran, Iran .. sending Western diplomacy on an erotic journey .., and as a result of global financial losses .. is it sacrifice small? You have an interesting point of view ..
                    Quote: rocket757
                    Crimea, the supposed base of garbage, here are extremely quarreled with the people in disagreement and for a long time, it can be more important!

                    Somewhere I already heard it ... don’t tell me .. Ukraine is not Russia when it is proclaimed? And when was euromaidan? And under what slogans? Holodomor memorial .. not? Hero of Ukraine
                    Bender ... Everything for friendship ... spared nothing ...
                    Quote: rocket757
                    In Syria, striped shining expenses a lot more, not the fact that it is better for them, and the fact that we were stuck there for a long time ....

                    If you haven’t noticed .. in Syria we have long been .. Tartus .. called ..
                    And then tell me ... Why are you torturing an owl .. it doesn’t fit on the globe ..?

                    Quote: rocket757
                    Then, our rich are not yet very concerned about the restoration of greatness

                    What is your greatness .. explain ..?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 18 August 2019 18: 14
                      +1
                      What's the point?
                      Evaluation criteria are different, you have an owl in the globe I have a globe and no owl is nearby ....
                      Everyone remains his own.
                      Authority and the Yankees ???? How does this fit together? Here is a colt at the temple and all sorts of other things, convincing, they recognize this .... yes, still the greatest PROFIT!
                      Financial losses??? This is not defined yet! The topic is so muddy .... moreover, it’s not been possible for them to arrange a financial mess from the outside than for a long time. The next wards pluck and allies will have a snack and all business. Not the first time!
                      That we did not hear, did not, quarreled with neighbors specifically and for a long time after the Maidan, this is a fact. This is annoying already specifically.
                      In Syria for a long time, was, only in what capacity? Now it’s different and striped there, besides .... with the former it is necessary to try to compare it.
                      Owl and globe ... not my topic.
                      Well, you don’t have a clue about the country's greatness .... it happens.
        3. Nycomed
          Nycomed 18 August 2019 12: 12
          0
          Must be fixed! And behind one and in hot pursuit to record the testimonies of witnesses, indicating all personal data, so that then you can find all the witnesses.
          1. Andrey Chistyakov
            Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 14
            +1
            Quote: Nycomed
            Must be fixed! And behind one and in hot pursuit to record the testimonies of witnesses, indicating all personal data, so that then you can find all the witnesses.

            I agree to all 100%.
          2. Nycomed
            Nycomed 20 August 2019 00: 46
            -1
            He needs to learn from Simon Wiesenthal, and even then he created an entire school for the search for war criminals. negative
      3. Mixanchik
        Mixanchik 18 August 2019 12: 38
        +2
        Quote: Svarog
        The problem is that we only fix, resent, express fears .. Our people were stolen, we are outraged .. but swallowed, dip property was taken away - they were again outraged and so on .. But non-dependent countries act differently, Iran has a tanker arrested, they also answered in a mirror way and lo and behold, their tanker was immediately released ..

        In some ways you are right .. But we are different, no matter how they try to put us in the "general system of the world" .. The world of normal countries really hopes for Russia that we will free them from the influence of any usurers, etc. This is a difficult and dangerous process, but our goal for Russia is, as always, a historical one .. We cannot sit tight, we again get into a fight, to protect all the oppressed peoples of the world! This is our mission to see the world, in spite of the losses .. God punishes and at the same time protects Russia and believes in us Russians!
        I’m pathetic of course, but it’s from the heart .. hi A difficult time is ahead .but
      4. Normal ok
        Normal ok 18 August 2019 13: 34
        -5
        Quote: Svarog
        That is the problem that we only fix, resent, express concern

        Why lie so rude? It’s no secret to anyone that it is precisely thanks to Russia that LDNRs generally exist.
        ps and the crimes on both sides are at least equally divided. During the "sweep of the field" carried out by Zakharchenko, even the Donetsk media reported facts of torture and robberies of a peaceful man by the militia. And there are quite a few cases of accidents with military equipment on the Internet. It is enough to google it.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 18 August 2019 16: 16
          0
          Quote: Normal ok
          even the Donetsk mass media cited facts of torture and robbery of a civilian by militias.

          Under the name "militias", criminal groups were often hiding for themselves .. They were ... by the way ... cleaned out ..
        2. Antares
          Antares 18 August 2019 19: 47
          -1
          Quote: Normal ok
          ps and the crimes on both sides are at least equally divided. During the "sweep of the field" carried out by Zakharchenko, even the Donetsk media reported facts of torture and robberies of a peaceful man by the militia. And there are quite a few cases of accidents with military equipment on the Internet. It is enough to google it.

          from the point of view of conducting an information war, it is impossible to denigrate "our" people, they are always white and fluffy.
          For Ukrainians - VSU, for Russians ORDILO.
          Therefore, the actions of the enemy - cruel, bloodthirsty and unprincipled, and their actions under the halo of justice stick out.
          But in reality, war always reveals both the best features and the worst. And no matter what slogans they are perfect. Crime on both sides of the conflict is enough.
      5. Prisoner
        Prisoner 18 August 2019 14: 19
        0
        Would you like response orders, approved response plans and special measures with the media, and at the finish photo of the carcasses of the liquidated bastards, at the same time, rewarding the heroes? It's funny
      6. machinistvl
        machinistvl 18 August 2019 16: 18
        +1
        Grab the cons, but I will express my opinion. Yes, we swallow everything in silence, specifically answer whether the spirit is not enough, Russia is blamed for everything, everyone is not lazy, what are we waiting for, an open attack? It will be, but later, or it may stop silently swallowing insults and respond harshly and firmly so that others are not accustomed.
  2. eagle owl
    eagle owl 18 August 2019 11: 53
    +5
    Initially, officials declared that there was a Nazi cleansing of the region from civilians on an ethnic basis. Everyone who has visited the Armed Forces and the Terrorbats is already the only reason - everyone must be judged and imprisoned without exception
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 18 August 2019 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: Uhu
      Everyone who has visited the Armed Forces and the Terrorbats is already the only reason - everyone must be judged and imprisoned without exception

      hi
      ... or Dosity to feed with mushrooms - a very effective thing, however. bully
  3. samarin1969
    samarin1969 18 August 2019 12: 00
    -1
    Of the Russian politicians, only Zhirinovsky reacted emotionally to the crimes. And then, it is unlikely that he spoke sincerely. For the rest of the inhabitants of the "Kremlin Olympus" all these patrons of fanatics are quite themselves "partners".

    ps Until 2014 it was hard to imagine that the elite of the Russian Federation is so alien.
    1. Antares
      Antares 18 August 2019 19: 44
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      From Russian politicians

      This figure is also a "Russian" already a politician. He writes from Moscow (was born in Zheltye Vody and fled to Moscow)
  4. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 18 August 2019 12: 01
    +4
    Quote: Svarog
    We have a so-called "white paper" in Russia since 2015 .. Everything has been recorded since then! hiPersons of actions, statements ..photo ..

    The problem is that we only fix, resent, express fears .. Our people were stolen, we are outraged .. but swallowed, dip property was taken away - they were again outraged and so on .. But non-dependent countries act differently, Iran has a tanker arrested, they also answered in a mirror way and lo and behold, their tanker was immediately released ..

    You fix it - I do not. I take everything I can collect there, I send my son there (yes, he himself is torn). That’s the whole problem and the difference between me and you.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 18 August 2019 12: 14
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      You fix it - I do not. I take everything I can collect there, I send my son there (yes, he himself is torn). That’s the whole problem and the difference between me and you.

      You are not the only one helping our brothers!
      The question is what should the sovereign service do !!! In this case, they cannot be replaced.
      1. Andrey Chistyakov
        Andrey Chistyakov 18 August 2019 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
        You fix it - I do not. I take everything I can collect there, I send my son there (yes, he himself is torn). That’s the whole problem and the difference between me and you.

        You are not the only one helping our brothers!
        The question is what should the sovereign service do !!! In this case, they cannot be replaced.

        Read the book by Z. Prilepin "Some will not go to hell". So it is written in detail about the "sovereign service)."
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 August 2019 12: 13
    -1
    And are there any positive results? Why didn’t he show these materials in their parliament?
  6. Masha
    Masha 18 August 2019 12: 42
    +1
    Of course, it would be better if it weren’t on Facebook but in court .... but slowly, little by little .... water wears away the stone ...
  7. Zeev Zeev
    Zeev Zeev 18 August 2019 12: 52
    0
    And when will crime data be published on the other side of the conflict?
  8. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 18 August 2019 12: 53
    -2
    Quote: rocket757
    Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
    You fix it - I do not. I take everything I can collect there, I send my son there (yes, he himself is torn). That’s the whole problem and the difference between me and you.

    You are not the only one helping our brothers!
    The question is what should the sovereign service do !!! In this case, they cannot be replaced.

    It would be nice. But we can handle it like that.
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 18 August 2019 12: 57
    +2
    For a long time it was necessary to create a Tribunal on crimes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the People's Republics. To prepare documents for all participants in the conflict by the Ukrainians and make decisions on punishment. That would stop these warriors.
  10. rus-5819
    rus-5819 18 August 2019 16: 55
    0
    The ex-deputy stressed that these data are still hiding from the population of Ukraine.

    But the population is not in the know ...
  11. Antares
    Antares 18 August 2019 19: 42
    -1
    judging by the report, all 4 cases triggered a criminal case. And then there was justice.
    It is very strange that another ex-deputy reads a report from Moscow (yes Zhuravko fled the country and lives in Moscow)
    only this is already in doubt. Although Matios informed us that many crimes were completely during the war, both by military personnel and by the Dobrobats. So it is quite possible that the cases are real (there are only four and they are typical for this war)
    Most likely it was. I hope they were punished by the law and the Criminal Code of Ukraine.
    From the fact that in the ranks of the Red Army there were cases of punishments of military personnel for such actions - the Red Army did not become an unloved army for me. So is the APU. One must always give an example of those cases when justice has triumphed. After all, there are our citizens.
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 18 August 2019 20: 20
    +2
    Under this power, no documents are valid against the fascists! It remains only to fix
  13. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 18 August 2019 21: 21
    0
    No one is forgotten.
    Nothing is forgotten.
    Natsik and war criminals court of the People's Republics of Donbass !!!!!!
  14. Chaldon48
    Chaldon48 18 August 2019 21: 52
    +1
    Bandits, they are also bandits in military uniform.