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In the USA, they called for the creation of an analogue of the Soviet Perimeter retaliation system

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The American missile response system was created during the Cold War and was calculated taking into account the launch of Soviet missiles from the depths of the USSR. At present, she is not able to quickly respond to modern means of attack of Russia and China, American military experts Adam Lawter and Curtis McGiffin write in their article for War on the Rocks.


In the USA, they called for the creation of an analogue of the Soviet Perimeter retaliation system


According to the authors of the article, the emergence of new means of missile attack led to the fact that the missile warning system created during the Cold War may simply not have time to respond to an enemy missile strike due to its cumbersome nature and simply human factor. Therefore, American experts propose to develop in the United States an analogue of the Soviet system of automatic control of a massive retaliatory nuclear strike "Perimeter" (Dead Hand - "Dead Hand").

In the 50 of the last century, Soviet bombers would need several hours to get to the United States. With the advent of missiles, this time was reduced to 30 minutes for land-based ICBMs and about 15 minutes for ICBMs launched from a submarine. This gave the command time to decide on retaliation and other actions.

- the authors declare.

The appearance of hypersonic weapons and other modern systems "significantly reduce the time for the American leadership" to decide on a retaliatory strike. Armaments such as the Caliber-M and X-102 cruise missiles, the Poseidon nuclear submarine drones and the Avangard complex may not give time command an adequate response. Therefore, the solution could be to create in the USA an analogue of the Soviet / Russian Perimeter system, which could independently decide to strike back. However, the authors do not exclude that a person may lose control of the artificial intelligence that controls the system.

In addition, in order to defend themselves against the Russian and Chinese nuclear threats, they propose creating and dispersing mobile ICBM systems across the United States, developing surveillance and reconnaissance systems in order to be the first to deliver a nuclear strike (“kill or be killed”), and also deploy about enemy boundaries of medium-range missiles to reduce flight time.

Russia and China are developing their nuclear forces and do not intend to comply with existing arms control agreements, so the United States needs to take all possible measures to protect itself from attack

- summarize the authors of the article.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona 17 August 2019 17: 15
    +5
    Some uneducated specialists, like BE in the USA, have long had an analogue of the Perimeter system.
    Emergency rocket communications system

    Or whatever it’s called now
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 17 August 2019 17: 31
      +16
      develop surveillance and reconnaissance systems in order to be the first to deliver a nuclear strike ("kill or be killed")
      These ..... and hope to kill and stay alive, Perimeter on a different principle "I am killed, but I will kill you too"
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 17 August 2019 17: 57
        +1
        I would recommend the Americans ... Call your superhero - James Jamison))) he will help with a dead hand))
      2. VO3A
        VO3A 17 August 2019 18: 21
        +6
        However, the authors do not exclude that a person may lose control of the artificial intelligence that controls the system.

        Some scientists believe that on Earth there are traces of a nuclear war before our civilization ...
        Others believe that humanity has been bent to us at least 3 times, however, for various reasons ...
        Still others believe that aliens are inhabitants of the Earth whose civilizations were destroyed on it, but were able to leave it in a dangerous period and returned ... 3 types of people are given ...
        We still can’t leave Earth and be saved ... Is this, these businessmen in the war, understand or not? ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 17 August 2019 19: 58
          0
          Quote: VO3A
          Some scientists believe that on Earth there are traces of a nuclear war before our civilization ...

          Across the earth there are traces of funnels of regular round shape, which later became lakes. Moreover, judging by the number and accuracy of these funnels around the world, they bombed very closely and with zeal. In nature, there are such round lakes (of natural origin either not at all, or their units).

          Moreover, to refer to the fact that these are traces of meteorites also does not work, since in the center of these funnels there is a suction zone, which is characteristic of the funnel after a nuclear explosion. There are so many funnels in the photo that it resembles a carpet bombardment with several approaches.
          1. VO3A
            VO3A 17 August 2019 20: 38
            +3
            Nexus, how do you feel about Tartaria ... Do you support the Jewish-Saxon version of the Tatars or the Slavic version of our ancestors ....
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 17 August 2019 20: 42
              +7
              Quote: VO3A
              Nexus, how do you feel about Tartaria ... Do you support the Jewish-Saxon version of the Tatars or the Slavic version of our ancestors ....

              You know, I consider it as one of the versions ... one thing I can say for sure, a well-known story lies to us. As it was, sooner or later we will find out. But, identical architecture around the world, data from funnels, bombarded cities ... everything suggests that there could be a planetary country without borders. Whether this is Tartaria or Gardarika ...
              1. Volkof
                Volkof 17 August 2019 23: 11
                +4
                In the first British encyclopedia there are maps, flags of Tartaria .. This is a fact.
                The books that have been preserved in Europe by travelers have a description of this country ..
                In American directories there are sea flags of Tartaria ...
                On the flags, Slavic symbols have nothing to do with the Tatars and Mongols ...
                These are facts and they cannot be destroyed ...
                The Mongols learned that they were great only in the 19th century ...
                1. Minato2020
                  Minato2020 18 August 2019 08: 29
                  -1
                  Quote: Volkof
                  ... These are facts and they cannot be destroyed ...
                  The Mongols learned that they were great only in the 19th century ...


                  From the Internet
                  "Good afternoon, dear readers.
                  I suggest you continue to rock the dilapidated building with a sign above the entrance - "The Official History of Humanity." Many readers in the comments to my last article - "An industrialized civilization has existed on Earth for tens of thousands of years", often asked questions:
                  1. What does the author smoke?
                  2. Can he sleep?

                  Answer: https://wakeuphuman.livejournal.com/
            2. poquello
              poquello 18 August 2019 13: 15
              0
              Quote: VO3A
              Nexus, how do you feel about Tartaria ... Do you support the Jewish-Saxon version of the Tatars or the Slavic version of our ancestors ....

              Tatars Tatars called the Tatars-Mongols
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          3. Fayter2017
            Fayter2017 17 August 2019 21: 11
            0
            It is interesting and in what areas are these funnels concentrated? There you need to dig!)
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 17 August 2019 21: 36
              0
              Quote: Fayter2017
              It is interesting and in what areas are these funnels concentrated? There you need to dig!)

              Across the planet ... google maps just turn it on. The largest concentration of such funnels is the Urals, Siberia. And the name of such lakes is suitable-Devil, Witch, etc. ... as many funnels at star fortresses.
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 17 August 2019 21: 45
              0
              Quote: Fayter2017
              It is interesting and in what areas are these funnels concentrated? There you need to dig!)

              By the way, you never came up with one logical question: Why is the European part of Russia relatively densely populated, but the Urals, Siberia and the Asian part in general are sparsely populated? Or in ancient times, people crowded to Moscow to earn money, as it is now?
          4. poquello
            poquello 18 August 2019 13: 08
            +3

            this is the moon, now with more suction
            Quote: NEXUS
            Moreover, referring to the fact that these are traces of meteorites also does not work, since in the center of these funnels there is a suction zone, which is typical for a funnel after a nuclear explosion.
        2. Angelica
          Angelica 18 August 2019 12: 48
          +1
          Others believe that humanity has bent to us at least 3 times ...

          It would be more correct to say that civilization was bent the Nth number of times. And whether it was humanity or some other form of intelligent life, we do not know for sure. request
      3. tol100v
        tol100v 17 August 2019 20: 29
        +3
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        These ..... hope to kill and stay alive,

        These .... They can only be called that! These are debtors to the whole world! These are thieves all over the world! These are killers all over the world! And These - "exceptional" want something !? Apparently they will soon receive it, in the form of used toilet paper! The machine with green paint may break or change the "color"! "They-These" are not afraid of nuclear war at all, due to their "Foolishness" (C), but they are afraid of losing their main weapon of stupidity of the world community
      4. tol100v
        tol100v 17 August 2019 20: 53
        0
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        These ..... hope to kill and stay alive,

        To the ADMINISTRATOR of the site: on what basis was my article erased in which there was not a single violation of the site’s rules? Or a Cossack mishandled !?
    2. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 17 August 2019 17: 31
      +7
      However, the authors do not exclude that a person may lose control of the artificial intelligence that controls the system.


      Still, they want to build Skynet. laughing
      1. bondrostov
        bondrostov 17 August 2019 23: 57
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Still, they want to build Skynet.

        We are waiting for the iron Arnie!
    3. Errr
      Errr 17 August 2019 17: 33
      +1
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Some uneducated specialists, like BE in the USA, have long had an analogue of the Perimeter system.
      Adam Lawther and Curtis McGiffin wrote that the American missile strike response system (if it’s not ERCS, then what?) Was created during the Cold War and because of its antediluvian is no longer relevant.)
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 17 August 2019 18: 06
        -1
        They looked at them already a new system that was done after the Cold War
        Strategic Automated Management and Control System (SACCS)
        1. To be or not to be
          To be or not to be 17 August 2019 18: 12
          +4
          "The continent North America was formed on the North American lithospheric plate. At the base of the continent lies the North American lithospheric platform. It occupies the eastern part of the continent. In the west and southwest - an area of ​​seismic activity - the place of collision of the North American, Pacific, Nazca, Caribbean lithospheric plates. It is here that the strongest movements of the earth's crust occur, accompanied by earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. "
          1. Yura
            Yura 17 August 2019 19: 53
            +2
            Quote: To be or not to be
            Mainland North America

            We understood your hint.
    4. knn54
      knn54 17 August 2019 18: 11
      +5
      Reagan-SDI, Bushy-anti-missile shield (Aegis type). Obama-preemptive strike. It's time for Trump to "puff his cheeks."
      .
    5. Gray brother
      Gray brother 17 August 2019 22: 18
      0
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Emergency rocket communications system

      Probably on Windows?
      1. bondrostov
        bondrostov 17 August 2019 23: 59
        0
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Probably on Windows?

        Then it’s too late to dig a shelter ...
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 18 August 2019 00: 11
          +1
          Quote: bondrostov
          Then it’s too late to dig a shelter ...

          C'mon, maybe they won’t have time on the contrary)))
          1. bondrostov
            bondrostov 18 August 2019 00: 14
            +2
            HATE THIS PICTURE !! am
  2. Observer2014
    Observer2014 17 August 2019 17: 18
    +1
    In the USA, they called for the creation of an analogue of the Soviet Perimeter retaliation system
    The conclusion is simple. We are preparing for a dead defense. While of course with a show off. But defense.
    1. cormorant
      cormorant 17 August 2019 17: 49
      +4
      So they understand that they are pinned to the wall. But to create "Perimeter" is not to launch a Tesla rocket into space. It’s not Musk or Hollywood.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 August 2019 17: 57
        +2
        So they understand that they are pinned to the wall. But to create "Perimeter" is not to launch a Tesla rocket into space. It’s not Musk or Hollywood.
        You can probably create a program, but everything else ... the dough certainly needs to be measured ....
        1. poquello
          poquello 18 August 2019 13: 23
          0
          Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
          So they understand that they are pinned to the wall. But to create "Perimeter" is not to launch a Tesla rocket into space. It’s not Musk or Hollywood.
          You can probably create a program, but everything else ... the dough certainly needs to be measured ....

          the task is not easy for them, guaranteed to overcome only with us
    2. poquello
      poquello 18 August 2019 13: 21
      0
      Quote: Observer2014
      In the USA, they called for the creation of an analogue of the Soviet Perimeter retaliation system
      The conclusion is simple. We are preparing for a dead defense. While of course with a show off. But defense.

      yes, they will slowly realize that everyone will die
  3. Proton
    Proton 17 August 2019 17: 27
    +4
    Another cry of the defense lobby "little money, come on!" wassat
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 17 August 2019 17: 27
    0
    However, the authors do not exclude that a person may lose control of the artificial intelligence that controls the system.
    How everything is started! What does this have to do with Perimeter? The perimeter worked on receiving a mass of signal parameters from a mass of sensors and commands.
  5. Qwertyarion
    Qwertyarion 17 August 2019 17: 31
    +3
    They shook the mattresses with avant-gardes, daggers, petrels, posidons dust from the ears and that’s good, we thought ...
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 17 August 2019 17: 33
    +9
    And how happy they were !!! When, having moved their Pershing to our borders, they reduced the fake time of their vigorous missiles to several minutes! And they screamed when our missiles appeared in Cuba!
    Now many have realized that for them this is no longer funny!
  7. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 17 August 2019 17: 42
    0
    "To catch up and overtake Russia" is the new goal of the United States, but it just won't work, because we are decades behind and there is not enough brains
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 August 2019 17: 59
      +1
      Quote: Valerik1337
      "To catch up and overtake Russia" is the new goal of the United States, but it just won't work, because we are decades behind and there is not enough brains

      Chinese brains cut into China ...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 17 August 2019 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: GELEZNII_KAPUT
        Chinese brains cut into China ..

        If this really happens, then the States will come full HUAWEY! laughing
        Still, 2 million Chinese diaspora, which has never lost its ties with its historical homeland - is power! yes
  8. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 17 August 2019 17: 44
    -3
    It is already obvious to everyone that the United States will not have time to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike against us, and therefore this should be used for the benefit of all mankind, and not console itself with the fact that the United States itself is about to collapse
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 17: 53
      -2
      It’s already obvious to everyone that the US will not have time to retaliate against us

      It’s not obvious to me. Can you prove your point?
    2. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 17 August 2019 18: 02
      0
      Quote: Valerik1337
      It is already obvious to everyone that the United States will not have time to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike against us, and therefore this should be used for the benefit of all mankind, and not console itself with the fact that the United States itself is about to collapse

      The worst thing is if they break up, if the buck fills up, and he, in my opinion, actually holds on to this (fear of a mess in the USA, as it used to be in Russia (bush legs, etc.)), then rockets will be launched by everyone .
    3. poquello
      poquello 18 August 2019 13: 28
      0
      Quote: Valerik1337
      It is already obvious to everyone that the United States will not have time to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike against us, and therefore this should be used for the benefit of all mankind, and not console itself with the fact that the United States itself is about to collapse

      like to freeze?
  9. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 August 2019 17: 44
    -2
    Well, Yankees, catch up, it's not for you to drive the Papuans laughing

    In my opinion, we imposed an arms race on the United States, which sucks all the juices out of them))
    Whatever they have a statement, then "we need to make weapons like the Soviet Union or modern Russia", huh)))
    1. Valerik1337
      Valerik1337 17 August 2019 17: 51
      -4
      Why does it suck there, if they had a system like the Soviets, then something might have happened, and with their system they will not go bankrupt in this race, so leave empty hopes! You need to beat them
    2. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 17: 57
      -6
      In my opinion, we imposed an arms race on the United States

      Are you seriously?
      Let's just think about it. There is US territory, there is NATO territory. Not countries, mind you, but territories. The number of missiles per unit square kilometer, taking into account all sorts of Georgia - the United States can supply much more.
      The question is that this is not a guarantee that anyone will even come out victorious in a nuclear war.
      It's just that an "arms race" is an opportunity to have the required number of missiles, interceptor missiles, and in the end even new ideas for breaking through missile defense. And also the opportunity to create all this.
      So what about the "arms race" - you're in vain. Moreover, the total production capacity of NATO countries exceeds the production capacity of the Russian Federation by a couple of orders of magnitude.
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 17 August 2019 20: 17
        -3
        the total production capacity of NATO countries exceeds the production capacities of the Russian Federation by a couple of orders of magnitude


        Neighing)) Do not be so naive))
        A few bombs in the United States, and that’s it. Complete disorientation.
        1. Honest Citizen
          Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 21: 19
          -7
          Neighing)) Do not be so naive))

          Sigh and continue.
          If you strain your head a little, then to understand that
          A few bombs in the United States, and that’s it.

          this is gray - you don't need a lot of intelligence. In order to drop something somewhere, one must have superiority in this. And overcome the enemy's air defense / missile defense system. But you are not aware of this, because you simply go into a hysterical-patriotic frenzy. And there, in your opinion, there are some kind of lip-slaves who see nothing and hear nothing. And, of course, they "click through" the launch of missiles from the territory of the country, which is a geopolitical enemy on their territory. I look, you are already hit by hysterics and fits of laughter are coming? Not?
          Do you offer a preemptive strike? In other words, to initiate war? Yes, I agree funny.
          Now I'm funny with you. And not even as funny as sad.
          1. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 17 August 2019 21: 44
            -2
            I love those pseudo-crazy people who are not able to add 2 + 2)))

            What do you think?
            1. Honest Citizen
              Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 22: 04
              -4
              I love those pseudo-crazy

              similarly. how many points did you get in ege?
              1. Lord of the Sith
                Lord of the Sith 17 August 2019 22: 32
                -4
                Not at all, because I didn’t give up, I have a Soviet education, and not a godless modern invention.

                How many points do you have? laughing
                1. Honest Citizen
                  Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 22: 50
                  -4
                  Not at all, because I didn’t give up, I have a Soviet education, and not a godless modern invention.

                  If you were released from school during the Soviet era with a certificate of "completion of the 8th grade course" - this is not a Soviet education. For under Soviet education, they were taught to think. And not "laugh".
  10. Nycomed
    Nycomed 17 August 2019 17: 48
    -1
    "Therefore, the solution could be the creation in the United States of an analogue of the Soviet / Russian Perimeter system, which could independently decide on a retaliatory strike."
    Accuse Bolton of stealing an idea immediately! am
  11. Mouse
    Mouse 17 August 2019 17: 54
    0
    want to say that they have created an analogue of the Soviet system of retaliatory strike "Perimeter" at the level of hotties? recourse
  12. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 18: 11
    0
    If only the software was not outsourced to the Indians!
  13. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 18: 13
    +3
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    In my opinion, we imposed an arms race on the United States

    Are you seriously?
    Let's just think about it. There is US territory, there is NATO territory. Not countries, mind you, but territories. The number of missiles per unit square kilometer, taking into account all sorts of Georgia - the United States can supply much more.
    The question is that this is not a guarantee that anyone will even come out victorious in a nuclear war.
    It's just that an "arms race" is an opportunity to have the required number of missiles, interceptor missiles, and in the end even new ideas for breaking through missile defense. And also the opportunity to create all this.
    So what about the "arms race" - you're in vain. Moreover, the total production capacity of NATO countries exceeds the production capacity of the Russian Federation by a couple of orders of magnitude.

    And tell us about the US production facilities for uranium enrichment and plutonium production and we will all rejoice
    1. Honest Citizen
      Honest Citizen 17 August 2019 19: 04
      -6
      And tell us about the US production facilities for uranium enrichment and plutonium production and we will all rejoice

      Do you believe that a nuclear war will be fought exclusively by nuclear weapons? Something tells me not. To push forward the missile defense / air defense system of an adversary of nuclear weapons - well, I don’t even know ...
      You will note that in addition to strategic nuclear weapons there is also tactical. It is generally difficult to count.
      Production capacity.
      Let's look at the NATO countries that have their own nuclear weapons. USA, UK, France. Those. Do you think that even if the US has never been able to effectively enrich uranium and plutonium, it cannot produce the same "dirty" bombs? And the production capacity is not only the creation of nuclear weapons, it is also missile defense and so on. So NATO is still ahead in terms of production capacity.
      You understand, the arms race by us was definitely not imposed. We do not need it.
      1. lucul
        lucul 17 August 2019 20: 55
        0
        Production capacity.
        Let's look at the NATO countries that have their own nuclear weapons. USA, UK, France. Those. Do you think that even if the US has never been able to effectively enrich uranium and plutonium, it cannot produce the same "dirty" bombs? And the production capacity is not only the creation of nuclear weapons, it is also missile defense and so on. So NATO is still ahead in terms of production capacity.
        You understand, the arms race by us was definitely not imposed. We do not need it.

        You are an obvious humanitarian)))
        Otherwise, they would have known that the United States could no longer support the current number of warheads and that they needed a new disarmament treaty from nosebleeds. Because nuclear charges have an expiration date, and now they all have to change everything, but nothing. Amers have no reserves of Plutonium and they no longer produce it.
        1. asv363
          asv363 17 August 2019 22: 51
          +1
          Quote: lucul
          Amers have no reserves of Plutonium and they no longer produce it.

          Vitaly, there are reserves - about a hundred metric tons, adjusted for my memory. I don’t remember the exact figure now, but there is no desire to climb the sites of "non-proliferators".
        2. Fikys
          Fikys 18 August 2019 04: 21
          0
          I read somewhere that the Japanese have nearly the largest plutonium reserves in the world, they collected at one time for the development of nuclear energy. Can’t they share with the modeled homies ?!
  14. eagle owl
    eagle owl 17 August 2019 18: 20
    0
    The problem is that, as you yourself admit, even mine-based missiles are not suitable for retaliatory strikes, because the mines are practically unprotected. Well, let's say a miracle happened, you didn't steal the money allocated for this "Perimeter" from the budget. We found two dozen emigrant engineers who, unlike indigenous penguins, can do anything with their little hands except for commercials ... And these emigrants made you - all of a sudden - a working Perimeter.
    What will shoot? The nuclear submarine ... And for them, the perimeter is not needed - they will even understand by seismic activity that the war has begun and the nuclear submarine commander will decide. And they are not always in touch ... They do not need a perimeter. And the ground ones are suitable only for the FIRST strike - or they will be knocked out of YOU
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 17 August 2019 20: 01
      +2
      Quote: Uhu
      The nuclear submarine ... And for them, the perimeter is not needed - they will even understand by seismic activity that the war has begun ... They do not need the perimeter.
      That is, you seriously think that the Perimeter will not send signals of command and control to the boats .. Well, well ... keep on counting - you will live longer, because "a lot of knowledge - a lot of sorrow" ...
      And about the seismic activity for boats, if it doesn’t make it difficult, plz, in more detail .. And then to me, with the 3 classes of the central testing station - well, there is no way to suck the depth of your thoughts outside of a solid hull ...
      Quote: Uhu
      and the submarine commander will decide.
      Wisely! And most importantly - it was perfect ... But it’s not clear: why is the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces on our RPKSNy some SBU of centralized control puts ... Also launches with its "use" is carried out ... Are they crazy there? After all, the commander makes a decision!
      Quote: Uhu
      And they (boats) are not always in touch.
      Oh how! And men don’t know !!! Colleague, have you heard anything about the communications programs on the submarine? And about other ways to bring the SBU to boats, including in the software? - Not?
      Then what is it about !? bully
  15. cniza
    cniza 17 August 2019 18: 56
    +2
    “Russia and China are developing their nuclear forces and do not intend to comply with existing arms control agreements, so the United States needs to take all possible measures to protect itself from attack

    Everything is shifted from a sick head to a healthy one.
  16. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 17 August 2019 19: 26
    0
    Again, the tales of the Insolent Saxons to allocate money for defense and cut it.
    All normal people already know that no one will launch rockets anywhere.
    If only low power.
    And against Indians with spears and conventional weapons is enough.
    Tales of amers.
  17. Karaul14
    Karaul14 17 August 2019 19: 26
    +1
    The advent of hypersonic weapons and other modern systems "significantly reduce the time for the American leadership" to decide on a retaliatory strike.
    ICBMs are already very fast and have been developing hypersonic speed for a long time already, I do not think that the Avangard will fly to another continent faster than a conventional nuclear warhead, its advantage is that it plans and maneuvers. The author of the article is clearly an amateur in this matter.
    1. lucul
      lucul 17 August 2019 21: 00
      0
      ICBMs are already very fast and have been developing hypersonic speed for a long time already, I do not think that the Avangard will fly to another continent faster than a conventional nuclear warhead, its advantage is that it plans and maneuvers. The author of the article is clearly an amateur in this matter.

      All ICBMs need access to the Cosmos, and the Vanguard flies almost in a straight line .....
      1. Karaul14
        Karaul14 18 August 2019 02: 17
        0
        Quote: lucul
        All ICBMs need access to the Cosmos, and the Vanguard flies almost in a straight line .....
        In a straight line, is that how?))) The avant-garde is a combat unit for ICBMs, just like an ICBM goes into orbit and delivers it to enemy territory, only there it can somehow maneuver and plan for many kilometers.
  18. Old26
    Old26 17 August 2019 19: 27
    +1
    The advent of hypersonic weapons and other modern systems "significantly reduce the time for the American leadership" to decide on a retaliatory strike. Weapons such as the Kalibr-M and Kh-102 cruise missiles, the Poseidon nuclear underwater drone and the Avangard complex may not give the command time for an adequate response.

    The author burns. Well, okay, I can still understand when it comes to "Poseidon", but why is it suddenly "Vanguard" reduces the time for the United States to make a decision. And with regard to the "Caliber-M" and the Kh-102 - this is generally beyond reason. Subsonic missiles that will launch from a distance of 4000-5000 km - and do not "give time to make a decision"?

    Quote: Valerik1337
    It is already obvious to everyone that the United States will not have time to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike against us, and therefore this should be used for the benefit of all mankind, and not console itself with the fact that the United States itself is about to collapse

    How is it. Well-in-1, the US core doctrine is designed for a preemptive strike. Secondly, in order to neutralize and prevent a retaliatory strike, it is also necessary to destroy their SSBNs before they fire

    Quote: Valerik1337
    Why does it suck there, if they had a system like the Soviets, then something might have happened, and with their system they will not go bankrupt in this race, so leave empty hopes! You need to beat them

    Well, about the MIRROR system, which was adopted two decades earlier than our PERIMETER, you did not hear anything, judging by the tone of your posts

    Quote: Mouse
    want to say that they have created an analogue of the Soviet system of retaliatory strike "Perimeter" at the level of hotties? recourse

    They have it. They are going to finalize it. And to respond to the name in the next American media does not mean that all this corresponds to the realities.

    Quote: E.S.
    And tell us about the US production facilities for uranium enrichment and plutonium production and we will all rejoice

    The capacity for uranium enrichment among Americans is insignificant. Basically, these capacities belong to the French concern. This is enough for their nuclear power plants. As for weapons-grade plutonium, they have about 90 tons of it. Why new plutonium to produce. We also shut down our reactors
    1. lucul
      lucul 17 August 2019 21: 04
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      And as for the "Caliber-M" and the Kh-102 - this is generally beyond reason. Subsonic missiles that will launch from a distance of 4000-5000 km - and do not "give time to make a decision"?

      Yes, because they do not see them. Gauges flew from the Caspian to Syria, and the Americans did not see them at all.
      As for weapons-grade plutonium, they have about 90 tons of it. Why new plutonium to produce.

      Is that a lot?
      We also shut down our reactors

      Then I generally precipitated ....
  19. rruvim
    rruvim 17 August 2019 19: 45
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    In America, the UNF Emergency Rocket Communications System (ERCS) command missile complex was operated, and I think now. And Boeings 707-320 of the "Mercury" system (after all, 16 units are available) are still performing duty flights. And our "perimeter". The point under Yuryev-Polsky (with dosimeters and meteorological equipment) not far from the dacha was disbanded in 1996. And 100-ki under it in Nebyly and Zhelezovo even earlier.
  20. Plague doctor
    Plague doctor 17 August 2019 20: 01
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    I am deeply convinced that in a nuclear war the one who correctly plans and delivers a massive nuclear strike first will get a tremendous advantage, and the perimeter is so, a scarecrow that really does not help much. The best defense is an attack, and the main thing is not to miss the moment.
  21. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 17 August 2019 20: 05
    -1
    Quote: VO3A
    However, the authors do not exclude that a person may lose control of the artificial intelligence that controls the system.

    Some scientists believe that on Earth there are traces of a nuclear war before our civilization ...
    Others believe that humanity has been bent to us at least 3 times, however, for various reasons ...
    Still others believe that aliens are inhabitants of the Earth whose civilizations were destroyed on it, but were able to leave it in a dangerous period and returned ... 3 types of people are given ...
    We still can’t leave Earth and be saved ... Is this, these businessmen in the war, understand or not? ...

    You are sick? A little more and I’ll stop reading the military review and sit on TV to watch conspiracy theories, etc.
  22. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 17 August 2019 20: 06
    -2
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: VO3A
    Some scientists believe that on Earth there are traces of a nuclear war before our civilization ...

    Across the earth there are traces of funnels of regular round shape, which later became lakes. Moreover, judging by the number and accuracy of these funnels around the world, they bombed very closely and with zeal. In nature, there are such round lakes (of natural origin either not at all, or their units).

    Moreover, to refer to the fact that these are traces of meteorites also does not work, since in the center of these funnels there is a suction zone, which is characteristic of the funnel after a nuclear explosion. There are so many funnels in the photo that it resembles a carpet bombardment with several approaches.

    Oh my god ... where did I go ...
  23. Evil echo
    Evil echo 17 August 2019 20: 29
    +1
    In order for them to become completely scared, they need to start broadcasting REN TV in English, now they’ll be terribly horrible, although this channel is probably tracing something from theirs.
  24. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 20: 30
    +2
    Quote: Honest Citizen
    And tell us about the US production facilities for uranium enrichment and plutonium production and we will all rejoice

    Do you believe that a nuclear war will be fought exclusively by nuclear weapons? Something tells me not. To push forward the missile defense / air defense system of an adversary of nuclear weapons - well, I don’t even know ...
    .


    No, nuclear war will be fought with axes and spears, yeah.
    Since you do not know, but I know.
    Undermining one charge in the stratosphere near its destination turns missile defense into a pumpkin for see the list of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion.
    With all this, everything else will fly where you need it because you can’t deceive ballistics.
  25. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 20: 36
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    Quote: The Plague Doctor
    I am deeply convinced that in a nuclear war the one who correctly plans and delivers a massive nuclear strike first will get a tremendous advantage, and the perimeter is so, a scarecrow that really does not help much. The best defense is an attack, and the main thing is not to miss the moment.

    Yeah, just kAlosalnoe (the test word is "feces").
    With a flight time of a few minutes - tens of seconds, a person will be excluded from the decision-making chain for launch and will be the first to go to the destination of the mine missiles in order to fly before they hit the mines.
    And in the mines do not store a trifle
  26. Rostislav
    Rostislav 17 August 2019 21: 07
    +1
    Another attempt to blame everything from a sick head to a healthy one.
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 17 August 2019 21: 19
    0
    Why do you need this hand, Misters? It’s clear to us that all our rulers and thought were not the first to start a nuclear war, unlike yours, that they hoped to erase us from the ground all the time.
  28. DPN
    DPN 17 August 2019 21: 26
    0
    It's okay: WE said to us in PARADISE, the rest in HELL, we didn’t manage to build communism, there’s nothing to regret.
  29. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 17 August 2019 21: 38
    +2
    Some kind of stupidity ..)
    As I understand it, "Perimeter" was created as a guaranteed retaliation against aggression from the outside. Who threatens them, and surrounds the borders with bases ?? ))
  30. yfast
    yfast 17 August 2019 21: 45
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    And where to send the rockets? To Russia, to China? What if they are with each other? And suddenly Pakistan, India missed. And it will fly to Russia. Russia smells the answer.
  31. Old26
    Old26 17 August 2019 21: 51
    +2
    Quote: lucul
    Yes, because they do not see them. Gauges flew from the Caspian to Syria, but the Americans did not see them at all ..

    Are you sure that they did not see them or build your assumption that since we did not say that the Americans recorded, so did not see? The marching flight altitude over land is about 100-150 meters, unlike the sea, where such a height can be 15-20 meters. Moreover, it is not now. This is 2015, when every creature in a pair was there. And the Turks climbed and the Americans had their base. Plus, do not forget that such a region is always patrolled also by AWACS aircraft. I would not be surprised if one of them patrolled in the region of Eastern Syria - Iraq, the other - over the Mediterranean Sea.

    The same with the X-102. For launching on targets deep in the territory of the USA, the same TU must approach the territory of the USA at a distance of 3000 - 4000 km. You will have to go through a region saturated with a sufficient number of early warning radars, including and SPRN systems. From the south it is a station in Japan, from the north - on the Aleutian ridge of the islands. And believe me, the Americans are not so stupid that finding a bomber flying towards their territory does not monitor its movement. In addition, AWACS patrols on the west coast with a detection range of 600 km. Subsonic missiles will go to the target at a speed of 800-850 km / h. Even if this missile is spotted with a radar standing on the shore or with AWACS in the coastal area, there will be 3/4 of the time ...

    Quote: lucul
    As for weapons-grade plutonium, they have about 90 tons of it. Why new plutonium to produce.
    Is that a lot?

    We have a little more of it, about 140-150 tons, and we believe that this amount will be enough "for the eyes". Moreover, the amount of plutonium required in the charge is estimated at about 5 kg. So consider how many charges the Americans will have enough 90 tons of plutonium. Approximately 18 thousand charges. Few

    Quote: lucul
    We also shut down our reactors
    Then I generally precipitated ...

    Don't fall into the sediment. If you, comrade, write about something specifically, let's say about the same weapon-grade plutonium, then at least you need to be aware of the topic. And then we use the gum that we get from the media. And they can and are ready to write whatever they want, without even caring about the believability ... They are paid for the "lines". And the more he scribbles, albeit nonsense - he is better ...

    Quote: rruvim
    In America, the UNF Emergency Rocket Communications System (ERCS) command missile complex was operated, and I think now. And Boeings 707-320 of the "Mercury" system (after all, 16 units are available) are still performing duty flights. And our "perimeter". The point under Yuryev-Polsky (with dosimeters and meteorological equipment) not far from the dacha was disbanded in 1996. And 100-ki under it in Nebyly and Zhelezovo even earlier.

    I cannot say whether these points belonged to the "Perimeter" system, but the fact that it exists and is deployed, incl. and command missiles are guaranteed

    Quote: E.S.
    No, nuclear war will be fought with axes and spears, yeah.
    Since you do not know, but I know.
    Undermining one charge in the stratosphere near its destination turns missile defense into a pumpkin for see the list of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion.

    Judging by the post, you know little. For example, you know practically nothing about the "K" series experiments in Priozersk. And you do not know that after a nuclear explosion, the operability of the early warning and missile defense radar recovered in about 10 minutes
  32. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 22: 09
    0
    [quote = Old26] [quote = lucul] D
    Judging by the post, you know little. For example, you know practically nothing about the "K" series experiments in Priozersk. And you don't know that after a nuclear explosion, the performance of the early warning radar and the missile defense radar recovered in about 10 minutes [/ quote]

    I’m grieving you here too, the radar missile defense system, which in the conditions of the conflict has been blind for 10 minutes, will never recover.
    And, judging by the maxims about the X-102 and early warning radar, you don’t know how early radar detection is built or what state it is on the other side of the ocean
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 17 August 2019 23: 13
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      He served in Priozersk. "K" had not heard of any experiments. But any technique broke for any reason without any EM impact. But I agree that if she was blind even for a minute, then she became blind forever. The system "Perimeter" ("dead hand", "iron grip") is not in nature and in operation. The concept is there, the elements were there, but the "party and government" decided to rely on the human factor. And here and over the hill. But nobody canceled the "command" missiles.
      1. Mixanchik
        Mixanchik 18 August 2019 09: 17
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        Quote: rruvim
        He served in Priozersk. "K" had not heard of any experiments. But any technique broke down for any reason without any EM impact.

        To serve does not mean to know everything .. Already, I'm sorry!
        Quote: rruvim
        The "Perimeter" system ("dead hand", "iron grip") does not exist in nature and in operation. The concept is there, the elements were there, but the "party and government" decided to rely on the human factor.

        In some respects, you are right, but keep in mind our vast territory, EM influence will not spread over the entire territory and where these command missiles can be located only God knows (or from a dozen warrant officers .. a joke)))))
  33. E.S.
    E.S. 17 August 2019 23: 27
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    Quote: rruvim
    He served in Priozersk. "K" had not heard of any experiments. But any technique broke for any reason without any EM impact. But I agree that if she was blind even for a minute, then she became blind forever. The system "Perimeter" ("dead hand", "iron grip") is not in nature and in operation. The concept is there, the elements were there, but the "party and government" decided to rely on the human factor. And here and over the hill. But nobody canceled the "command" missiles.

    An experiment on undermining a nuclear charge in the ionosphere overhead in Priozersk? Only Speed-Info can come up with such a thing! :-)
    We have not yet discussed the likelihood of a non-nuclear interception of a target whose epr signature is not known in advance in junk sausage with a diameter of kilometers and tens of kilometers long, everything is fine here :-))
  34. Mixanchik
    Mixanchik 18 August 2019 09: 12
    0
    With this statement, the United States recognizes Russia as a powerful power that we can destroy their command posts and there will be nothing for us (not necessarily nuclear weapons)
    That's just they do not know our missile defense .. Russia is a mysterious country and can stand up for itself!
  35. Old26
    Old26 18 August 2019 15: 45
    +2
    Quote: lucul
    All ICBMs need access to the Cosmos, and the Vanguard flies almost in a straight line .....

    What straight line can we talk about. when is it launched with a conventional ballistic missile like conventional BG ??? The end of the active section of the trajectory, after which it "goes into free swimming" about 400 km. Completion of the launch trajectory - in SPACE... It, just like all warheads, flies along a classical ballistic trajectory before entering the atmosphere. And as you have correctly written, the difference from a conventional warhead is that it has a certain aerodynamic quality and is capable of "planning", while making some evolutions. His lateral maneuver can be quite large (up to 2000 km, as the "evil tongues" say, but again over a fairly large section (along the length of the trajectory, if I may say so). "Pirouettes", which airplanes make on the show, he simply physically unable to do. Minor deviations that will make interception more difficult - yes. But all his maneuvers will not lead to the fact that he becomes "indestructible." More anti-missiles - perhaps.

    Quote: E.S.
    I’m grieving you here too, the radar missile defense system, which in the conditions of the conflict has been blind for 10 minutes, will never recover

    Perhaps I still agree with Raspletin than with you ...

    Quote: E.S.
    And, judging by the maxims about the X-102 and early warning radar, you don’t know how early radar detection is built or what state it is on the other side of the ocean

    Do you know that? Well enlighten then. Show the opponent’s mistakes, and do not make meaningful statements without confirmation, at least in your own words (link not required)

    Quote: rruvim
    He served in Priozersk. "K" had not heard of any experiments.

    Well, you’re unlikely, Roman served in Priozersk in the years 1961-1962. But there were tests.
    • Experiment (operation) K-1 was carried out on October 27, 1961, when a charge of 150 kt was blown up at an altitude of 1,2 km
    • Experiment (operation) K-2 was held on the same day, October 27, 1961, when a charge of 300 kt was blown up at an altitude of 1,2 km
    • Experiment (operation) K-3 was carried out on October 22, 1962, when a charge of 290 kt was blown up at an altitude of 300 km
    • Experiment (operation) K-4 was carried out on October 28, 1962, when a charge of 150 kt was blown up at an altitude of 300 km
    • Experiment (operation) K-5 was carried out on November 1, 1962, when a charge of 59 ct was blown up at an altitude of 300 km

    Based on these experiments, it was concluded that the stations are being restored. Moreover, the range of the EMP pulse is not infinite, and the stations are spread across the territory of the USSR and overlap each other's sectors. Moreover, the experiments were carried out at first-generation stations, which were practically not protected from electromagnetic radiation.
    According to experts, and among them were the Civil Command of the USSR missile defense system, in order to completely "extinguish" our radars, the enemy needs to practically continuously (or at least with an interval of 10 minutes) make nuclear explosions over the location of these radars, which as you understand unrealistic. Of course, the station will be inoperative for a certain time, but it will never be able to recover only in two versions. In continuous explosions above it or when a nuclear charge hits it.
    This is very well written by EMNIP at Raspletin, in his materials about missile defense

    Quote: E.S.
    An experiment on undermining a nuclear charge in the ionosphere overhead in Priozersk? Only Speed-Info can come up with such a thing! :-)

    Speed ​​Info? And you read this "edition" that you are so sure that they can only come up with such a thing?

    Well, go to the resources of Sarov. EMNIP there is a list of all tests of nuclear charges in the USSR
    In particular, EMNIP has electronic versions of books.
    • Nuclear tests in the USSR. Volume I. Propulsion Sarov. RFNC-VNIIEF
    • Nuclear tests in the USSR. Volume II city ​​of Sarov. RFNC-VNIIEF

    = Under № 127 it means "operation K-2". The charge was detonated on 27.10.61/XNUMX/XNUMX in Sary-Shagan.
    The charge carrier is R-12 BRDS. The height of the detonation is 300 km (space explosion). Power - 1,2 ct
    Type of charge - nuclear

    = Under № 128 it means "operation K-1". The charge was detonated on 27.10.61/XNUMX/XNUMX in Sary-Shagan.
    The charge carrier is R-12 BRDS. The height of the detonation is 150 km (space explosion). Power - 1,2 ct
    Type of charge - nuclear

    = Under № 184 it means "operation K-3". The charge was detonated on 22.10.62/XNUMX/XNUMX in Sary-Shagan.
    The charge carrier is R-12 BRDS. The height of the detonation is 290 km (space explosion). Power - 300 ct
    Type of charge - nuclear

    = Under № 187 it means "operation K-4". The charge was detonated on 28.10.62/XNUMX/XNUMX in Sary-Shagan.
    The charge carrier is R-12 BRDS. The height of the detonation is 150 km (space explosion). Power - 300 ct
    Type of charge - nuclear

    = Under № 194 it means "operation K-5". The charge was detonated on 01.11.62/XNUMX/XNUMX in Sary-Shagan.
    The charge carrier is R-12 BRDS. The height of the detonation is 59 km (space explosion). Power - 300 ct
    Type of charge - nuclear
    And you say "Speed-Info". The materiel would be for you. dear Sergey, to teach
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 18 August 2019 17: 51
      +1
      Sary-Shagan, aka Priozersk-4, is a huge polygon to the north. "Teprak-kala", as the locals call it. I served in 1988-89 at the "Kolodets" electronic warfare unit near the 1st platform, where the first version of the "A" complex was located in 1961 (then it was dismantled). I talked with many officers, I heard enough of all sorts of tales, but I didn’t hear about the tests of nuclear weapons over the range. Maybe just tests under "over" the Semipalatinsk test site were attributed to Balkhash. Almost nearby, in a global sense.
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 18 August 2019 18: 14
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        Sary-Shagan is just a railway station. And if from Kapustin Yar a rocket launcher with nuclear weapons is launched into space, this does not mean that the detonation occurs over the test site. One of the "experiments" (undermining) was in 200 km. west from Dzhezkazgan. What does the landfill have to do with it? In addition to the availability of measuring instruments. And explosions in space, let them be explosions in space, as in a separate environment. Even undermining a nuclear facility at 60 km will not affect the operation of tube devices protected by a Faraday cage or protected microcircuits of the military series.
  36. Old26
    Old26 18 August 2019 19: 29
    +2
    Quote: rruvim
    Sary-Shagan, aka Priozersk-4, is a huge polygon to the north. "Teprak-kala", as the locals call it. I served in 1988-89 at the "Kolodets" electronic warfare unit near the 1st platform, where the first version of the "A" complex was located in 1961 (then it was dismantled). I talked with many officers, I heard enough of all sorts of tales, but I didn’t hear about the tests of nuclear weapons over the range. Maybe just tests under "over" the Semipalatinsk test site were attributed to Balkhash. Almost nearby, in a global sense.

    My friend's father served on the 35th site. and my friend himself studied at the school (EMNIP) them. Dorokhova. There were a lot of tales always and everywhere, then Sergei Petrovich served precisely at this time. First he went "into denial" until he showed him a list of tests. Of course, there was no explosion over the city, and an altitude of 150-250 km will give nothing but an impulse. No precipitation, no shockwave. In general, the Union did not bother if it was necessary to blow up something not at the test site, but in the area of ​​cities.
  37. ilik54
    ilik54 19 August 2019 15: 03
    -1
    Poseidons are our adequate response to the Americans at their 800 bases around Russia.
    Now the war will go according to this scenario - nuclear charges explode off the coast of England and the United States and the war ends - there will be no one to fight with. All!