SLAM and Petrel: who is behind whom?

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Since the first announcement, the promising Burevestnik cruise missile has invariably attracted the attention of the press and the public. 15 August The American Post The Washington Post published an article by Gregg Gerken, “Russian mysterious 'new' nuclear weapons aren't really new.” weapon Russia is not really new ”), in which an attempt was made to compare the new Russian development and the old American project.


Model of a SLAM rocket in a wind tunnel, 1963, NASA Photo




Old and new


The Washington Post author recalls that the Petrel rocket has made a lot of noise in the recent past. The Russian president called it a fundamentally new weapon - an invulnerable missile with an almost unlimited range. Foreign experts also drew attention to this rocket and called it a technological breakthrough.

However, according to G. Gerken, the new Russian development is based on ideas that appeared at the beginning of the Cold War. In the early sixties, American scientists were engaged in the Pluto project, whose goal was to create a nuclear rocket engine. Such a product was developed for the SLAM cruise missile (Supersonic Low Altitude Missile - “Supersonic Low Altitude Missile”).

Work on Pluto and SLAM was completed in the mid-sixties and did not lead to the creation of the desired weapon. At that time, a nuclear-powered rocket was not the best idea for a number of reasons. The author believes that even now such a concept cannot be considered successful.

The SLAM project proposed the creation of a cruise missile “the size of a locomotive,” capable of developing speeds three times the speed of sound. In flight, she had to drop thermonuclear warheads and leave behind a radioactive trail. Low-altitude flight, according to calculations, led to the appearance of a shock wave with a level of 150 dB at ground level. The red-hot parts of the structure could, as the famous movie hero used to say, “fry the hens in the bird's yard”.

However, a serious problem arose at that time. Scientists and engineers could not find the optimal test program. The SLAM missile was proposed to be tested over the Pacific Ocean on a figure eight route, but there was a risk of error and flight in the direction of populated areas. A suggestion was also made for testing on a circular path using a leash. The question remained of the disposal of the rocket after the flight was completed - it was planned to be flooded in the ocean.


Experienced Tory II-C Pluto nuclear engine. Photo Globalsecurity.org


In July 1964, the engine of the Pluto program was tested, and after a few weeks the program was closed. A promising missile was too dangerous and could not show sufficient effectiveness. Intercontinental ballistic missiles were more convenient, more profitable and safer for the operator.

G. Gerken believes that the old ideas were again accepted for implementation, which led to the emergence of the Petrel project. In addition, he recalls the project of the Poseidon underwater vehicle, similar to the giant torpedo with a thermonuclear charge proposed in the past. In the sixties these ideas were abandoned, but now they have returned to them.

However, there may be no cause for concern. The author recalls the opinion existing in the expert community, according to which new samples of Russian weapons are only part of the propaganda campaign. US authorities have announced their intention to modernize their nuclear forces, and Russia is responding to these plans. According to G. Gerken, in this case, V. Putin’s statements resemble the speeches of N. Khrushchev, who claimed that the USSR makes rockets like sausages.

The author does not argue that a cruise missile with a nuclear engine or an underwater vehicle with a thermonuclear charge can cause huge damage to the American infrastructure - if they exist and are used for their intended purpose. However, there are doubts about the reality of such developments. G. Gerken believes that such "Potemkin weapons" lead to a characteristic risk. Like boasting N. Khrushchev half a century ago, new statements by the Russian leadership could provoke the United States to return to forgotten concepts. As a result, the arms race will begin again, similar to the one in the past.

Similarities and differences


Rockets "Petrel" and SLAM began to compare almost immediately after the first announcement of the Russian project. Indeed, the well-known data on two developments allow us to talk about the implementation of at least similar ideas. In this case, of course, we are talking about the implementation of close concepts at different levels of technology. In the half century that has passed since the closure of the SLAM project, science and technology stepped forward, and the Petrel product should be distinguished by great design excellence.


Rocket "Petrel" at the manufacturer. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


Comparing the two projects is interesting, but difficult for a number of reasons. First of all, this is a lack of necessary information. Quite a lot is known about the SLAM project - it has been declassified for a long time, and all the main materials on it are well known. With "Petrel" everything is much more complicated. Only fragmentary information is known, and everything else - estimates and assumptions. Thus, a full comparison of the two missiles is not yet possible, which contributes to discussions and speculation.

The American SLAM project proposed the construction of a cruise missile with a ramjet engine, in which a nuclear reactor acted as a source of thermal energy. The principle of operation of the propulsion system "Petrel" is still unknown, but it is very likely to use similar ideas. However, it is very likely that solutions aimed at reducing emissions will be applied.

The cruising speed of the SLAM product was to reach M = 3, which allowed it to quickly go to the target areas and break through the enemy’s air defense. Judging by the published videos, the Petrel is a subsonic missile. Both products must have a “global” flight range, but such capabilities of the propulsion system are used in different ways.

SLAM was proposed to be equipped with means for transporting and ejecting 16 warheads. Such combat equipment has become one of the prerequisites for the large dimensions and mass of the rocket. The Petrel is almost three times shorter and noticeably lighter than an American missile, which may indicate the use of a warhead traditional for cruise missiles. Apparently, the Russian missile carries only one combat unit and cannot hit multiple targets.

Thus, the old American and the new Russian missile, having the general principles of the propulsion system, differ in everything else. Probably all this is connected with different requirements and tasks. The SLAM product was created as an alternative to the developed intercontinental ballistic missiles, capable of breaking through the enemy’s defenses and striking at several targets. "Petrel", in turn, should complement other weapons of strategic nuclear forces, but not replace them.


"Petrel" in flight. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation


Another important difference between the two projects should also be noted. The SLAM missile never reached the test, while the Petrel product was already tested in the air. What was the complete set of the Russian missile is unclear. However, the necessary checks were carried out and work continued.

Rockets and politics


The SLAM cruise missile with the Pluto engine did not enter service and did not have any impact on the military-political situation in the world. Around the Russian "Petrel" and other promising developments is a different situation. This missile is still at the testing stage, but it is already causing controversy and may even affect the relations of countries.

As noted by The Washington Post and other foreign publications, the appearance of the Petrel missile could provoke the United States in retaliation and actually give a start to a new arms race. However, real steps on the part of Washington so far are not connected precisely with the new cruise missile.

Recent events show that the United States considers the emergence of hypersonic systems of third countries, as well as Russia's "violation" of the treaty on intermediate and shorter-range missiles, a formal reason for the development of its strategic weapons. The product "Petrel" is not yet included in such a list and is not an official reason for certain works. However, as practice shows, everything can change at any time.

Unsuccessful comparison


In an article in The Washington Post, the promising Russian Burevestnik rocket was compared with the American SLAM product developed in the past. Such a comparison was hinted at by the fact that Russian specialists were only able to repeat the project of American industry only a few decades later.

However, this thesis can be considered from the other side. The United States could not bring the Pluto and SLAM projects to full tests, not to mention the adoption of the missile into service. Thus, already at the stage of development work, the Russian "Petrel" bypasses foreign development. In the foreseeable future, he will complete the tests and enter service, strengthening the defense. After that, the current American attempts to recall the SLAM project can be considered clumsy attempts to justify its lag in the advanced field.

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  1. 0
    19 August 2019 05: 05
    Well, if you talk like Americans, then they can’t even repeat their landing on the moon so what this says. That the 21st century USA is hopelessly behind the 20th century USA
    1. -3
      19 August 2019 09: 51
      They were not on the moon. The first person on the moon will be Russian.
      1. -5
        19 August 2019 12: 12
        Oh, an adherent of the "Americans were not on the moon" sect came up. I will not argue with you, this is useless, but your statement that
        Quote: Valerik1337
        The first person on the moon will be Russian

        very pleased. Unfortunately, you can’t reach the moon on the trampoline, and we don’t have any other delivery vehicles yet, and if they do, it won’t come very soon - even Rogozin will not boast of developments in this direction, although he is used to giving out what he wants ...
        1. -2
          19 August 2019 15: 09
          A test in Russia of an exotic type of nuclear engine erases the critical difference between conventional and nuclear weapons. The engine works by stimulating the release of energy from the nuclei of certain elements, but does not include nuclear fission or synthesis.
          1. bar
            +1
            19 August 2019 21: 07
            The engine works by stimulating the release of energy from the nuclei of certain elements, but does not include nuclear fission or synthesis.

            You powerfully pushed it. Can I explain?
            1. 0
              20 August 2019 00: 00
              It looks like a hafnium bomb (in the hafnium isomer, with a half-life of 31 years, a bunch of energy was stored (in a kilogram - up to 300 kg trotr. Equiv.), Which they were going to make instantly stand out by irradiating it with x-ray), but the experiment showed that it was impossible.
              1. bar
                0
                20 August 2019 09: 52
                Actually, based on the formula E = m C², energy is stored anywhere. But to make it stand out ...
                1. +2
                  20 August 2019 14: 17
                  Yes, a hell of a lot of "experts" who do not understand how great the distance between "reason" and "do" is.
                  Sometimes there is much more than between Jules Verne's "From a Cannon to the Moon" and the real flight of a man to a night star.
            2. 0
              20 August 2019 15: 29
              I apologize for the delayed response. This is an excerpt from a US intelligence report on the Russian project "Burevestnik", aka "Skyfall".
              1. bar
                0
                20 August 2019 15: 36
                This is not surprising. The Pentagon poured a decent amount of money into the idea of ​​fixing the "hafnium bomb" by Carl Collins. So at least some benefit from what was spent can be mentioned in the reports for solidity.
        2. +1
          19 August 2019 16: 25
          For so many decades, the United States has been sawing with a moon landing that for a long time it would have been possible to send another Rover to the landing site and give it all live. And it’s better to go around a couple of seats. And everyone would have shut their mouths. I saw LRO pictures, but they do not shed light.
          1. +4
            19 August 2019 22: 11
            "LRO saw the pictures, but they do not shed light." ////
            ----
            LRO photographed both Soviet Lunokhod and three Soviet Luna stations on
            surface of the moon.
            Do you think this is fake?
            Taken with the same camera and from the same height as the Apollo seats.
            Or we must admit that the Soviet moon exploration program is fiction,
            or recognize that both programs:
            Soviet with moon rovers and American with Apollo - true.
            1. +1
              20 August 2019 07: 20
              And I do not deny that LRO shot the entire surface of the moon as it is, and then they looked for traces of the presence of people: landing modules, moon rovers, etc.
              Nowadays, a great factor substitution wants more credibility.
      2. +5
        19 August 2019 15: 16
        The first was a Russian microbe from a lunar rover)))
        1. 0
          19 August 2019 21: 51
          Quote: tarakan
          The first was a Russian microbe from a lunar rover)))

          Well no. The microbe was Soviet! stop
      3. 0
        19 August 2019 15: 56
        With slanted and greedy eyes!
        CHINESE.
      4. 0
        25 August 2019 05: 30
        One must be realistic. The second after the United States, the Chinese will be on the moon, IMHO.
  2. +17
    19 August 2019 05: 46
    According to The Washington Post and other foreign publications, the appearance of the Petrel missile could provoke the United States in retaliatory action and actually give a start to a new arms race

    that is, NATO at the borders of the Russian Federation, the emergence of the Aegis in Europe, the withdrawal from the INF Treaty do not provoke an arms race, and the emergence of developments on the Burevestnik suddenly began to sharply provoke.
    1. +1
      19 August 2019 06: 54
      Quote: Ka-52
      withdrawal from the INF does not provoke an arms race, and the appearance of developments on the Burevestnik suddenly suddenly began to provoke.

      According to objective judgment, a lot of things can provoke an arms race ... and the development of hypersonic weapons, and weapons with "atomic" engines ... Ce la vie! request
      1. +6
        19 August 2019 07: 25
        According to objective judgment, the arms race can provoke a lot ... including and

        objectively speaking, the arms race, as it began in the Stone Age, did not stop for a minute. The notion of an "arms race" is a political science term picked up by journalists. It is fraught only with the fact that countries can begin to invest unreasonably large sums in armaments. Well, if the Americans start doing this, what do we do? Well, we cannot do this due to trivial reasons - we cannot spend more than what is not even on small laughing
        I repeat (I already answered similarly somehow) that the Americans will be able to destroy all declared goals on the territory of the Russian Federation with a completely available arsenal of strategic nuclear forces (without the invention of hyper-prodigy). And they will be able to do this for at least another 50 years, only by modernizing it. Therefore, the American breakthroughs in the field of hyper-velocity missiles are either political steps (to support the reputation) or loot-sawing.
        1. +5
          19 August 2019 08: 19
          Quote: Ka-52
          The concept of "arms race" is a political science term,

          But still ! If you call the constant improvement of weapons "in step" with economic development in the world "a race", then even so! Then we introduce additional "definitions" (!): 1. "jogging" and "sprinting" ... or: 2. The "current sluggish" race and the "accelerated" race ... After the collapse of the USSR, the "arms race" slowed down ... In NATO, many developments of "super-duper weapons" have ceased ... There is a tendency to reduce the number of a number of weapons. ..For example, the development of new tanks, the modernization of the old tank fleet, and even its reduction has stopped! And so with a number of types of weapons! But the outbreak of "disagreements" between the United States and the "other West" with Russia, with the threat of their transition into an armed conflict, contributed to the revival of the old "armed" plans and the emergence of "new ideas"! The appearance of "Armata" made NATO "desire" to "develop new tanks" better than "Armata", the development of hypersonic missile weapons in the Russian Federation affected the NATO military and politicians, like "Viagra" .... "I want, I want" - you can hear now from the "damned West" ... Only recently, NATO members rushed to check their combat readiness and complain to journalists! And what are they complaining about? That they still have "a little roll" of tanks; and planes "with a gulkin nose!" and a "joke" ... but, as they say, "in every joke there is only a fraction of a joke ..." Lamentations about the "soviet motive ... that is, the Russian threat" became a hit in "Europe" and the United States! And "tenderly - the weakened "EU governments began to more willingly apply for new and" old ", but in a larger number, weapons ...
          1. +1
            19 August 2019 11: 24
            The Washington Post wrote sheer bullshit. The arms race is now ENDED. At least from the Russian Federation. All these "cartoons" are a response to the American missile defense system, which triggered a new arms race 15 years ago (the GDP kept repeating this and repeating - where are the journalists looking at?).
            The United States created the concept of a global missile defense system, as the Chinese used to build their wall. Resources were swollen commensurate. But Vova nullified this missile defense at minimal cost, just as Genghis Khan nullified the wall. The Pentagon understands this, but they can’t come up with anything in return. But this is not our problem, let them start what they want - we will not come as usual.
            1. -1
              19 August 2019 15: 23
              Interesting missile defense with a monoblock, where after processing with a file, it turns into a tactical weapon
  3. 0
    19 August 2019 07: 02
    For some reason, it seems to me that there is no ramjet on the Petrel ... No. In my opinion, there is a turbojet engine or a PuVRD ...! But I would not be particularly surprised if it turns out that a propfen-type pusher propeller electric motor is installed on the KR; and the nuclear power plant is a "mini-nuclear power plant"! But while I'm more inclined towards jet propulsion ... winked
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    2. -1
      19 August 2019 10: 51
      Scheme of a cruise missile with a nuclear power plant "Petrel".
      Stratfor Worldview, a geopolitical intelligence platform, published the alleged design of the Burevestnik nuclear-powered cruise missile in Russia's New Arms Give the US Room for Pause

      Content source: https://naukatehnika.com/shema-krylatoj-rakety-burevestnik.html?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fzen.yandex.com
      naukatehnika.com
      1. 0
        19 August 2019 11: 48
        Estimated scheme? laughing Yes, I don't give a damn about the "supposed", someone's "scheme! I have my own" supposed "scheme!
    3. -2
      19 August 2019 10: 58
      Link to the Petrel scheme.
      https://naukatehnika.com/files/journal/tehnika-vooruzhenie/18.08.19-shema-krylatoj-rakety-burevestnik/russian-nuclear-powered-cruise-missile-4.jpg
      1. +2
        19 August 2019 11: 16
        The Stratfor Worldview scheme is a bullshit: if a jet engine has a turbine connected to a compressor, then why does a nuclear reactor also need to generate electricity to rotate the compressor?

        A separate question - why does "Petrel" need a sophisticated and heavy turbojet engine, when it is enough for it to have a simple and lightweight ramjet engine?

        PS With such "geopolitical intelligence platforms" as Stratfor Worldview, no CIA, NSA or DIA will be enough laughing
        1. 0
          20 August 2019 00: 04
          Or maybe it is screw? laughing
      2. +1
        19 August 2019 11: 53
        Do you know that on YouTube I watched some videos of a certain "specialist" pushing his "visions" of the design of the "nuclear" engine "Petrel"! It is a pity that the comments for this video were turned off! It was a purely amateurish explanation with an abundance of absurdities!
  4. +3
    19 August 2019 07: 07
    "Burkvestnik" is a cruise missile, subsonic, maybe transonic, and SLAM (Supersonic Low Altitude Missile - "Supersonic low-altitude missile").
    How can weapons of different classes be compared?
    Because what's the difference who is ahead, who is behind?
    The main thing is that weapons are forged, money is spent on them, and not small, which could be used with greater utility for the population.
    1. +3
      19 August 2019 08: 41
      Quote: K-50
      The main thing is that weapons are forged, money is spent on them, and not small, which could be used with greater utility for the population.

      Come on, what could be more useful for the population than another multi-billion dollar "does not have an analogue in the world" -bryakushka)) Ours - a reason to swell with pride, "ihnim" - a reason to shake out more money from the budget for similar toys. Sheer benefit, wherever you spit)
      1. +1
        19 August 2019 11: 34
        Well, that is, you need to cut everything up, sell it, and buy the iPhone for the proceeds?
        1. -3
          19 August 2019 12: 05
          Quote: Mestny
          Well, that is, you need to cut everything up, sell it, and buy the iPhone for the proceeds?

          In fact, even oiphones are more useful: at least you can call from them, and the "Petrel" is needed only to symbolize.

          You just don’t need to cut it like that: the developments on NRE (if there really is something there) will surely interest the Russian cosmonautics (while there is still something left of it).

          And so, the question is in the initial expediency of spending on obviously stupid, but very expensive weapons.
      2. -1
        19 August 2019 15: 28
        In modern realities, you can also use the cartoons to strain the adversary on green rubles)))))
  5. +3
    19 August 2019 07: 14
    Compare two products that no one knows anything about. laughing good
    1. +3
      19 August 2019 13: 58
      In life, I won’t believe that the Union did not, more or less, an analogue of SLAM. wink So if Petrel has an ancestor, it’s definitely not American!
      IMHO hi
  6. +2
    19 August 2019 07: 32
    The Washington Post confuses Pluto, equipped with an air-cooled once-through nuclear reactor, with Burevestnik, equipped with a lead-cooled nuclear reactor and a ramjet with an air heating chamber.

    In the first case, the neutron radiation of the reactor induces radioactivity on the aerosol pumped through the reactor core, in the second case lead is pumped through the reactor core through a closed cooling circuit. Therefore, the induced radiation in the latter case is absent.

    At the same time, the Pluto project was not closed due to radiation induction, but because the once-through reactor was extremely unstable under conditions of variable air humidity on the flight path, which caused sharp fluctuations in the reactivity of the reactor.

    And yes - KR with YaSU, by definition, is pointless to equip a conventional warhead bully
    1. +3
      19 August 2019 09: 41
      Quote: Operator
      The Washington Post confuses Pluto, equipped with an air-cooled once-through nuclear reactor, with Burevestnik, equipped with a lead-cooled nuclear reactor and a ramjet with an air heating chamber.


      And how, then, does the "lead coolant" or any metal coolant turn into a liquid state throughout the cooling system by the time of launch?

      In PL pr 705, the finished coolant melt was pumped into the system from the onshore installation, and subsequently the reactor was launched.
      Unlike this scheme, based on your assumption, cruise missiles should be stored in a "cold" state, the time to bring them into operation will be disproportionately large, the infrastructure for storing and bringing the metal coolant to the operating temperature is cumbersome and the very compactness and mobility of the installation is under a question.
      The nuclear ramjet scheme is simple and more suitable for compact placement.
      1. AML
        +2
        19 August 2019 13: 58
        Quote: DimerVladimer

        And how, then, does the "lead coolant" or any metal coolant turn into a liquid state throughout the cooling system by the time of launch?


        Gallium can be used as a heat carrier. 30 centigrade and forth. Yes, it is much more expensive than lead, but it is not necessary as much as at a nuclear power plant. Or maybe even mercury. It is unlikely that anyone will be particularly bothered if she spills at the finish.
        1. 0
          21 August 2019 15: 44
          Judging by the required heat capacity, several hundred kg of coolant + the weight of the fuel itself + the weight of the reactor vessel (and the weight of the fuel is less than the weight of the coolant) is required - a dubious scheme that does not fit into the layout of a small-sized rocket.

          As for metallic gallium in the form of a coolant - 1000 rub per gram, with an estimated need of hundreds of kg of coolant per engine - luxurious :)) ($ 1,2 million per ton)

          The boiling point of 2477 K is tolerant for a high-temperature reactor, but the density is not high (5,91 g / cm³) —the specific heat is corresponding to the density — the specific heat of solid gallium is 376,7 j / (kg · K). - average
          Given that a tiny turbine of a cruise missile should obviously produce a thrust of at least 400-450 kg / s (for example, for a turbojet engine "product 37-01E, the specific fuel consumption at maximum mode is 0,71 kg / kgf * h.), That is, approximately 89 grams. kerosene per second, the lowest (working) calorific value of aviation fuel for kerosene TS-1, Ni = 43100 kJ / kg, respectively 3825 kJ / s heat transfer for the operation of the turbofan engine of the required power - it’s certainly not at all right to do thermal calculation for a turbine of unknown design - but at least the digital is not from the ceiling ...
          Next, you need to estimate the surface area for heat transfer and the volume of pumped coolant - either tons of coolant (gallium) per second (which is not realistic) will come out, or a huge area of ​​the heat exchanger, which conflicts with the necessary compact engine / up to 100 kg. turbine 500-600 kg fuel supply + 70 kg capacity and fixtures ..


          TRDD-50AT- aka 37-01E

          I can’t imagine how to ensure effective heat transfer between the coolant and the passing air - this is not realistic with the current development of structural materials.
          A scheme with the removal of a radioisotope heat source using a metal coolant does not seem real.
          1. AML
            0
            25 August 2019 11: 47
            Gallium costs about $ 150 per kg, which is 150k per ton. Not so fanatical.
            Regarding heat transfer, I think that the developments of Roskosmos have been taken, where the task of heat transfer for space nuclear facilities has recently been dealt with very tightly and a couple of years ago it seemed to be decided. I repeat. I think that the carrier is multi-stage and the first stage of turbojet engine.
            First of all, for a quick departure from the positioning point, in addition, in this situation, a large capacity of nuclear power is not needed, since the main energy costs fall on the turbojet engine.
            And during acceleration, the coolant is heated and the nuclear power unit is put into operation.
  7. +3
    19 August 2019 07: 58
    Compare, do not compare ..... it is either a working, combat model, possibly a serial one! or just nothing ...
  8. +2
    19 August 2019 08: 14
    I think everyone understands that the developments for the petrel, and maybe prototypes, were in the 60s. It’s just that in the days of the USSR, having a state secret was much cooler and better.
  9. +1
    19 August 2019 08: 50
    the hegemon suddenly found himself in the position of catching up (well, not for the first time, however, let's remember who the first satellite brought a man into space) ... and this is very, very insulting ... especially for politicians ... we are all over the world ... and suddenly click on the nose and from whom ... "practically a country / gas station" has overtaken in the implementation of high-tech solutions that have no analogues in working hardware all over the World ...
    I would advise ... to reflect and work (the US has plenty of potential and money ... but no, this world Popandopulo of candy wrappers will be drawn as well) ... and of course they will create something like that ... a matter of time BUT alas, then they will not be the first to create ...
  10. +2
    19 August 2019 09: 24
    Yes, everything is clear. A bike in the style of puppet warriors, some dug the sea, second built a rocket, both types succeeded
  11. +2
    19 August 2019 09: 26
    I read about this American rocket ... A kind of dragon-fireman ... The developers themselves were afraid to implement it ...
  12. -3
    19 August 2019 09: 55
    And there is. The USA is 50 years behind us, at least
  13. +1
    19 August 2019 10: 13
    “The new mysterious nuclear weapons of Russia is not really new”, the idea was also said by Jules-Vern, Alexey Tolstoy ... so what?
  14. +2
    19 August 2019 10: 53
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    how does the "lead coolant" ... turn into a liquid state

    By the method of non-stop operation of the reactor at low power (from the moment the reactor is launched until the launch of the cruise missile) and the pumping of lead by the circulation MHD pump powered by a thermoelectric generator mounted in the heat exchanger of the ramjet heating chamber.

    Plus, pumping of atmospheric air through the ramjet heating chamber with the help of an electric fan during the period when the air heater is in the TPK (temperature control).
  15. 0
    19 August 2019 12: 19
    Quote: K-50
    money is spent on it and not small, which could be used with greater utility for the population.

    And what kind of production did we have? As the people worked in factories of a military orientation, it works. And the funny thing is - when they cut the order, a lot of people instantly find themselves on the street, look at the work schedule of car factories - he completely repeats the above, and no secret data is needed. if there is money, people are actively buying cars, there is no money, we sit encrypted, eat sausage. laughing
    1. 0
      19 August 2019 15: 32
      Come to us in Europe, I guarantee you will not feel the difference in production.
  16. +1
    19 August 2019 12: 41
    Even if "Petrel" is a bluff on our part, so be it. It will be SOI the other way around. Like, we know something for ourselves, and they let them think. They spend bucks. Resources. Time.
  17. +1
    19 August 2019 13: 39
    As far as I remember, but I remember already very vaguely. In the USSR, there was a similar project on a "nuclear missile" in the distant years. For some reason, no one in the comments remembered about him, even strange. Maybe I'm confusing something. But it seems that then, too, they developed and suspended work in this direction, since the dimensions and capabilities did not bring what was desired in those days. It's different now
  18. AML
    0
    19 August 2019 13: 45
    Quote: Nikolaevich I
    For some reason, it seems to me that there is no ramjet on the Petrel ... No. In my opinion, there is a turbojet engine or a PuVRD ...! But I would not be particularly surprised if it turns out that a propfen-type pusher propeller electric motor is installed on the KR; and the nuclear power plant is a "mini-nuclear power plant"! But while I'm more inclined towards jet propulsion ... winked

    Surely a mix. To ballistics on the turbojet engine, and then to correct the course and hold the trajectory of the nuclear engine.
    It seems to me that it would be quite reasonable. Yes, and certainly NRE acts as a BG. Pull yourself like that.
    1. 0
      19 August 2019 15: 36
      I’m a layman, but I guess the battery core plus the electric engine are cheap and cheerful)))
  19. ABM
    0
    19 August 2019 14: 20
    Quote: AML
    Quote: DimerVladimer

    And how, then, does the "lead coolant" or any metal coolant turn into a liquid state throughout the cooling system by the time of launch?


    Gallium can be used as a heat carrier. 30 centigrade and forth. Yes, it is much more expensive than lead, but it is not necessary as much as at a nuclear power plant. Or maybe even mercury. It is unlikely that anyone will be particularly bothered if she spills at the finish.


    almost all accidents at the start
  20. +1
    19 August 2019 15: 10
    Bolton could have said about "stealing" technologies used in the manufacture of nuclear icebreakers, for example.
  21. 0
    19 August 2019 15: 30
    In addition, he recalls the project of the Poseidon underwater vehicle, similar to the giant torpedo with a thermonuclear charge proposed in the past. In the sixties these ideas were abandoned, but now they have returned to them.

    Abandoned this torpedo in the 50s. And the story of her appearance is a good example of what happens when pies will start the cobbler oven ©.
    The torpedo T-15 owes its origin to the veil of secrecy omitted around the design of the first Soviet nuclear submarine. The fact is that the Navy, for which this boat was made, was not initially involved in the design of the top-secret product. And the first two years the project was exclusively developed by civilians - specialists from the Ministry of Industry and the Soviet Atomic Project - who decided that the nuclear submarine would fire a torpedo along the shore.
    When, after two years, the technical project was submitted to the Navy, it was rejected as hopeless - the submarine’s access to the enemy’s base for the torpedo range was impossible, and torpedo firing led to the ascent of the submarine with trim in the stern. The fleet was also unspeakably pleased with the absence of any weapons on the nuclear submarines except the T-15 and the absence of emergency diesel engines (if something happened to the reactor, that’s all, one is reliable on batteries).
    As a result, the whole concept torpedo nuclear submarines for attacks on coastal targets crossed out - and began to design on its base a normal torpedo submarine.
  22. 0
    19 August 2019 15: 40
    Americans have stolen the "mantra" from us hto the last one, they give chago)))
  23. 0
    19 August 2019 17: 08
    seriously, I don’t understand why a subsonic missile with an unlimited flight time? if there is a threat of war, we launch an armada of missiles and they barrage at the air borders, poisoning the environment? what if we come to terms with this flock?
  24. 0
    19 August 2019 20: 12
    Quote: vargo
    There was a similar project in the USSR on a "nuclear missile"

    There were many projects but on the "nuclear" ballistic rocket

    Quote: akunin
    seriously, I don’t understand why a subsonic missile with an unlimited flight time? if there is a threat of war, we launch an armada of missiles and they barrage at the air borders, poisoning the environment? what if we come to terms with this flock?

    Congratulations. The regiment arrived. Another person appeared, thinking about the functionality of this cruise missile. And if we say "the rough language of the poster" the question arises, but "what for is she needed." It is possible to understand the functionality of the "Vanguard", "Dagger", "Peresvet", in the end even "Poseidon", but in relation to the "Petrel" ....
    1. +1
      20 August 2019 00: 08
      Force the construction of the NORAD line around the entire perimeter, and not just in the north.
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    19 August 2019 21: 20
    Quote: engineer74
    In life, I won’t believe that the Union did not, more or less, an analogue of SLAM. wink So, if Petrel has an ancestor, it’s definitely not American!

    Of course they did. Back in the mid-50s, turbojet engines with an atomic reactor were going to be put on strategic bombers. And there were samples, flight tests were carried out on Tu-95LAL, and the test base in Semipalatinsk
  26. -1
    20 August 2019 13: 39
    The petrel is slow-moving, subsonic, a noticeable target, easily knocked down, difficult and expensive to store and operate, etc. .. Why do the military need it? Someone from the military can prove that this missile, which flies to the target for 16 hours, can fly to the target and work out effectively? It seems that none of the military customers thought about what they were ordering.
  27. 0
    21 August 2019 16: 09
    Our nyasha is a supersonic cruise missile "Burevestnik" with a nuclear ramjet engine and solid-propellant launching boosters

  28. 0
    24 August 2019 19: 42
    American eksperds are not on friendly terms with logic. If there was a nuclear reactor on Burevestnik, like on SLAM, then it would be quickly abandoned due to the terrible radioactive contamination ... As the SLAM developers themselves say ... And during the tests of the Petrel, no increase in the radioactive background even occurs. It means that a fundamentally different power plant is involved in Petrel ... It took many years to develop it. Let the "partners" wonder what is there and how ...
  29. -3
    25 August 2019 05: 45
    I am sure that such “abandonments” to adventurous and dangerous projects stem from the lack of professionalism of the decision-makers, as well as their unsatisfied ambitions.
    And, obviously, due to the lack of the desired progress in creating a hypersonic ramjet engine (scramjet), or scramjet. Especially compact.
    The maximum that was achieved was the modification of the OTR Iskander air launch (Dagger).
    It is important to remember why Pluto / SLAM projects were phased out: huge risks in the absence of pronounced benefits.
    Unfortunately, one of the attitudes in modern Russia is the indifference of officials to threats to the life and health of most Russians (except for their own and close circle). Which is not surprising, because they are in no way dependent on these people.
    The consequence of this is the recent events with the accident, victims and radiation contamination.
  30. 0
    4 September 2019 09: 23
    In an article in The Washington Post, the promising Russian Burevestnik rocket was compared with the American SLAM product developed in the past. Such a comparison was hinted at by the fact that Russian specialists were only able to repeat the project of American industry only a few decades later.

    However, this thesis can be considered from the other side. The United States could not bring the Pluto and SLAM projects to full tests, not to mention the adoption of the missile into service. Thus, already at the stage of development work, the Russian "Petrel" bypasses foreign development.

    Both of these statements are erroneous.
    In the 1960s, ours also fiddled with nuclear power plants for, let's say, "aircraft". It even came to flight tests of prototypes: [media = https: //ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomolet#Flight_tests]. About missiles - I don't remember, maybe some projects too were discussedbut it didn’t come to flight samples.
    As for our great successes in this direction, then, sorry, but nearly 60 years have passed. Technology has gone ahead - opportunities have become different. It’s another matter that the USA did not deal with this direction anymore, and ours returned to it for some reason.
    To be honest, this project scares me more than it makes me happy. Whatever one may say, but radioactive contamination of the area during the tests and subsequent [God forbid!] Exercises cannot be avoided. And it is good if these "fools" fall exclusively in the places designated for them. And if not?..
    The combat value of such a system is mysterious to me: of course, you can scare the enemy with it. But how it can be applied in reality, I don’t understand: after the start of a nuclear war, all of humanity will end very quickly - cockroaches will take over the world. If you raise a swarm of such missiles into the air even during the threatened period, then this is tantamount to the start of a nuclear war. But even if the threat can be averted, this whole swarm will need to be stuck somewhere in the ground (the chassis is not provided there!).
    So the thing is terrible and incomprehensible.

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