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Nassau Pirate Republic

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The catastrophic earthquake of 1692 almost destroyed Port Royal, and in 1694 the island of Tortuga emptied. But the great era of filibusters was far from complete. Their ships still sailed in the Caribbean, fierce corsairs terrified merchant ships and coastal cities.



Bahamas archipelago and New Providence island on a map


For effective and successful sea robbery, not only corsair ships and experienced crews are needed. After their raid, pirate ships may need repairs, corsairs need treatment and rest, and besides, they must be able to guarantee the sale of their production. The filibusters needed a new base - and it appeared, this time on one of the Bahamas.

Bahamas: discovery and colonization


The Bahamas archipelago includes 29 large and 660 small islands, as well as 2000 coral reefs located 1300 km from Florida to Haiti. The total area of ​​all these islands 13 938 sq km is approximately the same as that of the island of Jamaica.


Bahamas on a map of the Caribbean


The largest island of the archipelago is Andros, but we are much more interested in New Providence, where the city of Charleston was founded in 1666, which was soon renamed Nassau (now it is the capital of the Commonwealth of the Bahamas). Other large islands - Big Bahama, Bimini, Inagua, North Eleuthera, Cat Island, Long Island, San Salvador, Aklins. Currently inhabited are 40 Bahamas.



The Bahamas archipelago was discovered by Columbus during his first expedition, and the island of Watling (San Salvador) became the first land of the New World that Europeans saw, it happened 12 October 1492 year.


Banknote in 1 dollar with the image of Christopher Columbus, Commonwealth of the Bahamas


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A coin in denominations of 5 dollars dedicated to the entry of Christopher Columbus to the island of San Salvador - the first land he discovered in the New World


The indigenous Indian population of the archipelago was destroyed by the Spaniards in the XVI century. But Spain did not have the resources to colonize the Bahamas - the settlements they founded in 1495 were abandoned after 25 years. Therefore, from 1629 in the Bahamas, English colonies began to appear (the first - on the island of Eleuthera, it was founded by immigrants from the settlements of Bermuda).

1 On November 1670, King Charles II Stewart granted the Bahamas to the six lords who owned Carolina, who appointed the governor of the new colony.

New corsairs base in the Bahamas


The first of the British governors of the Bahamas, who decided to issue letters of letters of marque, was Robert Clark (1677-1682). In 1683, his letters of marque were declared illegal, Clark was fired, but the new governor, Richard Lilburn, unable to fight against filibusters on his own, was forced to compromise with them.

In March 1683, the English captain Thomas Payne, at the head of a small corsair squadron, looted the Spanish city of San Augustin (Florida). He delivered the captured prey to the island of New Providence of the Bahamas archipelago.

This fall, Samuel Jones in the Isabella frigate and Richard Carter in the Mariant sloop left New Providence Harbor and in April 1684 robbed the Spanish port of Tampico. The captain's friends were out of luck: on the way back, their ships were intercepted by the squadron commanded by Andres Ochoa de Zarate. The Cuban authorities used these raids as a pretext for a return expedition against New Providence. The Spaniards were led by Juan de Larco, who, on 18 on January 1684, captured the main city of this island - Charleston, taking the booty on 20 thousand pounds, he took many captive colonists to Havana.

In December 1686, a new batch of settlers arrived on New Providence Island: not from Bermuda, but from Jamaica, a sloop arrived here to land a new batch of colonists. The captain of the ship that delivered the colonists, Thomas Bridges, was elected "president" of the island. Then the construction of the first fort was started. Bridges later admitted that “explicit pirates” were based on the island at that time - John Terber, Thomas Wooley and Christopher Goff, who did not ask him for permission to operate, and did not have the strength to “expel them from the island”. The situation was resolved in April 1688, when captains Sprague and Lanham sent to New Providence by the Jamaican authorities arrested all suspected illegal and unauthorized activities.


New Providence Island, medieval map


Enchanted Island New Providence


Apparently, the climate in the Caribbean in those days was such that any newly appointed official (the governor of at least Tortuga, at least Port Royal) immediately had an irresistible desire to organize a predatory expedition against Spanish cities, or at least to extradite a privateer from one of the corsairs certificate. The governors of the island of New Providence and Nassau did not even try to resist this “magic”.

After joining the throne of William III, New Providence was appointed Governor of Cadwallader Jones, who "very caressed those pirates who came to Providence." In addition, he was caught selling gunpowder to pirates and refusing to investigate the “theft” of 14 guns from the arsenal. In every possible way favoring the pirates, Jones without trial or trial threw into the prison honest settlers dissatisfied with his rule. As a result, in January 1692, the colonists rebelled and arrested Jones. But in February of that year
“Some desperate robbers, pirates and others gathered in a rebellious ignorant crowd ... with the help of weapons saved the governor, proclaimed him again and restored to the despotic power he occupied. ”



Parrot Pirate Tin Figure


Jones was fired in 1694, when the lords of the Bahamian archipelago appointed a new governor, Nicholas Trott. It was he who renamed the restored city of Charleston to Nassau (this is the hereditary title of William III - Willem van Oranje-Nassau). It was under this governor that the famous pirate Henry Avery (Bridgman) arrived in Nassau in April 1696. This captain on the Fancy 46 cannon ship (with a crew of 113 people) was piracy in the Indian Ocean, taking there a huge boot in 300 thousand pounds. They even said that, in addition to the fabulous “prize,” Fatu’s daughter of the Great Mughal was on board the Gang-i-Sawai ship he had captured. The fate of this girl is similar to the fate of the famous "Persian Princess" Stenka Razin. According to one version, Avery raped and killed her, according to another - at first “married” and only then killed.


Henry Avery


Trott later made excuses because he was forced to give refuge to the pirates because there were only 60 people under his command at that time. However, in August of this year, John Dan, a member of the Fancy crew, testified that “the people of Avery collected 20 piastres per person and captain 40 to transfer to the governor, not including elephant tusks and some other goods worth about 1000 pounds ". Another pirate, Philip Middleton, confirmed this information. It turned out that the pirate ship was bought from Avery Trott and the merchant Richard Tagliaferro. After that, the corsairs, sharing the booty, tried to “legalize” in the colonies of North America and Bermuda. So, Avery and 19 of his subordinates bought the Sea Flower ship, on which they reached Boston. From there, Avery moved to Ireland, then to Scotland, where his tracks are lost. Another group of pirates (23 people) acquired a sloop, and went on it to Carolina.

As a result, in November 1696, Mr. Trott was fired, and Nicholas Webb, who, according to North American Customs Inspector Edward Randolph, "was no better than Trott or Jones," was appointed in his place. And the governor of Boston believed that Webb "followed in the footsteps of his predecessor Trott, who ... was the largest pirate broker in America."


Pirate ship in Nassau, illustration


"Crazy" pirates of the island of New Providence


In 1698, the Bahamian captain Kelly robbed not the Spanish ship, but the Endeavor ship from Jamaica. This was already too much, and Webb instructed his deputy Reed Elding to find and arrest Kelly in the sea. Instead, Elding hijacked another British vessel, the Bahama Merchant, which, “on the blue eye” was declared abandoned, which allowed the ship to be recognized as a “legitimate prize”. Even when the owner of the Bahamas Merchant sent an official complaint to the Governor of Jamaica, in which Webb was named a pirate, and the crew of this ship testified against Elding, the court did not return the ship to him. He just changed the wording, recognizing the ship as “abandoned and floating on the surface of the cargo” - and the “Bahama Merchant” moved from capturing Elding to the English king.

But when the pirates captured the ship “Sweepstake”, owned by Webb and a certain Mr. Jeffries, the same Elding, on the orders of the governor, immediately began to search for “chaos and scumbags.” As a result, the famous corsairs were arrested - Unk Gikas, Frederick Phillips, John Floyd, Hendrick van Hoven (who at that time was considered the "main pirate of the West Indies"). They were accused of sailing "under the bloody flag ... like ordinary pirates and robbers" ("the blood-red flag tells us that this brig is our pirate ship" - article Filibusters and buccaneers, remember?), convicted of capturing one sloop and burning another, and hanged 30 on October 1699.


Illustration in the collection of pirate novels by Gustave Emar


The corsairs of Tortuga and Port Royal, as a rule, abided by the “rules of the game” and did not attack the ships of their compatriots (French and English, respectively). New Providence Island pirates often ignored these “conventions.” So, the famous pirate captain Benjamin Hornigold (a very serious man, Edward Teach himself was his assistant at one time) was even removed from his post by his team because he did not want to attack the English sloop. But he was released “in a good way” - on a still captured ship, along with 26, the faithful corsairs who remained to him.


Benjamin Hornigold


In general, the Bahamian pirates were so “frostbitten” and uncontrollable that not only the Spaniards began to fight them, but also the authorities of other British colonies - Jamaica, Bermuda, South Carolina, Virginia. Bermuda Governor Samuel Day, for example, sent a squadron of 12 ships against them.

In October 1701, who replaced Webb as governor of the Bahamas, Elias Hasket tried to bring to trial the familiar Reed Elding. It ended with the fact that the speaker of the local assembly, John Warren, instead of Elding arrested the chairman of the vice admiralty court, Thomas Walker. An “indiscriminate” new governor was sent to New York by the nearest passing ship. Before that, money and property were carefully “confiscated” from him.

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The outbreak of the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1713) gave the opponents of Great Britain the right to inflict a serious blow on Nassau. Two frigates under the command of captains Blas Moreno Mondragon and Claude Le Chenet landed Spanish soldiers and French filibusters, the fort was destroyed, 14 small ships were captured, 22 guns, and the new governor, Ellis Lightwood, was among the prisoners. In 1706, another Providence was dealt a blow to New Providence - and most English colonists left the troubled island. But the filibusters, against whom the blow was dealt, remained. Until 1718, Britain virtually lost control of the Bahamas.

1713 became a landmark for the island of New Providence, because, after the war for the Spanish inheritance ended, hundreds of privates who were left out of work left for Nassau, turning into ordinary pirates.


Pirate, Painted Tin Miniature, 18th Century


According to 1713, there were more than 1000 filibusters in the Bahamas at that time. Only three corsair captains were in some contact with the British authorities: Barrow and Benjamin Hornigold, who "appointed" themselves as "governors" of New Providence and Philip Coquray from the island of Harbor Island. The rest did not bind themselves even with the slightest conventions.


Pirate with a gun, tin figurine, XVIII century


As for civilians, it is known from the report of the Bermuda Governor Henry Pallin (1714) to London that only about two hundred families “living in a state of complete anarchy” lived in the Bahamas at that time.

But those "businessmen" who were associated with the purchase of the loot and the organization of "pleasant rest" of the pirates in Nassau prospered.


West Indies Bordel, engraving


In July 1716, the Governor of Virginia, Alexander Spotswood, wrote to the new King George I:
“On the island of New Providence, a pirate nest is being created. If the pirates receive the expected replenishment due to various rabble from Campeche Bay, from Jamaica and from other places, that is likely they will pose a serious danger to British trade if timely measures to suppress them are not taken. ”


In the summer of 1717, he again asked the government to expedite the dispatch
"Sufficient forces to these shores to protect trade, and especially to the Bahamas to expel the pirates from where they arranged a common meeting place, and seem to look at these islands as their own."


Then, the Governor of South Carolina Robert Johnson also made a similar request to London, who reported that his colony was actually blocked from the sea flotilla Edward Tich.


Edward Teach, Blackbeard, engraving


Captain Matthew Manson writes in 1717 to the Trade and Plantation Board that New Providence is the base of the famous pirate captains - Benjamin Hornigold, Edward Teach, Henry Jennings, Samuel Burgess, White.

The list is far from complete, since other sources also mention pirate captains such as Charles Wayne, Samuel Bellamy (Black Sam), John Rackham, Howell Davis, Edward England (Seager), Stead Bonnet, Christopher Condon.


Edward England



Charles Wayne


As a result of all these appeals, on 5 of September 1717, George I issued a proclamation addressed to the pirates of the Bahamas archipelago, which promised forgiveness to those who, prior to 5 of September 1718, “voluntarily surrender to one of the secretaries of state in Great Britain or to the governor in overseas possessions” .

In Nassau, this document was delivered by the son of Bermuda Governor Benjamin Bennett. 5 captains then decided to take advantage of the royal amnesty, the most famous of which were Henry Jennings and Benjamin Hornigold.

But the former subordinate of Hornigold - Edward Teach, who later became known as the "Black Beard", did not obey the authorities.



Ray Stevenson in the role of Edward Teach, TV series “Black Sails”, 2016. It was this pirate who served as the prototype of Captain Flint from Stevenson’s novel “Treasure Island” (in this novel, there is a replica that Blackbeard is “a real baby compared to Flint” ").


Edward Teach, Blackbeard


This corsair was born in Bristol in 1680. His real name is Drummond. Many believe that his first nickname is Teach (“teacher”, “master” - from the English word teacher), he got because he began his career as a naval officer, having risen to the rank of an instructor teaching novice nautical affairs. It is believed that he fell on the Caribbean during the war for the Spanish inheritance. The origin of the name of his famous ship, “Revenge of Queen Anne” (in Britain, this war was also called the “Queen Anne War”), is also associated with this circumstance. Some believe that, at first, he thus pretended to be unaware of the end of the war. It would hardly help him very much, but just in case. When it was already impossible to ignore the death of Queen Anne, Teach did not change the name of his ship, which had already become widely known, on the mast of which he raised not the notorious Jolly Roger, but his own flag: on a black canvas - a skeleton piercing a red heart with a spear, and an hourglass.


Flag of Queen Anne’s Revenge


Many merchants refused resistance when they saw this terrible flag. This was facilitated by the fact that Teach never killed those who surrendered to him without a fight. But those who tried to resist, were killed without any pity.

Edward Tich earned his fame as a bloodthirsty and ruthless pirate largely because he “could not drink” - under the influence of alcohol, he became cruel and practically did not control his behavior.


Edward Teach, Pewter Figurine


As we recall, Tich began his career as a corsair on the ship of Benjamin Hornigold - in 1716. Holyfield was still not a pirate, but a privatier, but when the war ended, and his privatiry certificate was canceled, "could not stop." After this pirate accepted the amnesty of George I, Teach left him. Then he took the nickname "Blackbeard" (eyewitnesses claim that before the fight he wove burning wicks into his beard), and began to pirate on his own.



Soon the number of ships of his squadron increased to four. However, in the future he “optimized” his fleet: he got rid of the “ballast” by landing half of the crew ashore and leaving himself only two ships. For a while, Teach settled on the shore - with his friend Charles Eden, the governor of Bath (North Carolina), who even found him a wife - a certain Mary Ormond. There is evidence that the pirate was going to settle down, build a house and engage in sea trade. But Virginia Governor Alexander Sportswood, who was informed of the countless treasures that Tych allegedly stores on his ship, sent Lieutenant Maynard to catch him.

On November 22 on November 1718, disguised as a merchant, Maynard's ship, in whose hold numerous soldiers were hiding instead of goods, went to the Blackbeard ship. The temptation was too great for a pirate: he attacked Maynard, and was killed during a boarding battle.


The last fight of Blackbeard


It was reported that before his death, Edward Teach managed to get five bullet and 20 (according to other sources - 25) stabbed and chopped wounds.

No special values ​​were found on Tich’s ship, it angered Maynard so much that he ordered the dead pirate to be cut off his head, which was hung on the bowsprit of his ship, and the corpse was thrown into the sea. A popular legend claims that before drowning, a headless body swam around the ship 7 times. 13 captured pirates were hanged in Williamsburg.


5 dollars coin with image of Edward Teach, Commonwealth of the Bahamas



Edward Teach, Blackbeard, Commonwealth of the Bahamas brand


Former Corsair Woods Rogers and his fight against pirates


But back to the island of New Providence. 26 July 1718 A squadron of five ships under the command of the new Governor of the Bahamas - former corsair Woods Rogers, approached Nassau harbor. Seeing government ships, Captain Charles Wayne ordered to set fire to the French ship he captured and, defiantly raising the black flag, went to sea. Then Edward England went to the shores of Africa. The rest chose to stay and see what would happen next. There was little good for them: the next day a notice was published on the introduction of the “military law” on the island and an inventory of the cargoes of ships in the harbor began. A garrison was placed in the fort, squadrons were formed to "hunt" for pirate ships. As a result, according to Rogers himself, many "were looking for an opportunity to capture boats at night and escape on them." Captain John Oger, who received an amnesty, again engaged in piracy, his ship attacked and robbed two trading sloops. Former “colleagues” - Hornigold and Cochraim, who successfully completed this task, were sent to capture him. Ten captured pirates were hanged in Nassau. In addition, by the end of the year, 13 pirates were sent for trial to England. In May 1719, Capt. John (according to other sources - Jack) voluntarily surrendered to prisoner Rackham, nicknamed "Calico Jack" ("Cotton Jack" - by the name of a special kind of fabric that was brought from the Indian port of Calicut). Historians argue about the origin of this nickname: according to the first version, Rackham began his career with contraband of this fabric, according to the second - he always wore clothes from this fabric.


Monument to Woods Rogers, Nassau


Rackham was previously the quartermaster of the ship Charles Vane (who the quartermaster and his duties on the corsair’s ship was told in the article The Golden Age of Tortuga Island), which he replaced as captain.


Captain Rackham ("Calico Jack")


The fact is that Charles Wayne in the West Indies was known not only for his cruelty, but also for his greed, which reached the point that when he shared the booty, he deceived his own team (which, to put it mildly, was categorically not welcomed on the ships of the corsairs). As a result, he was even once removed from the position of captain, which was occupied just by Rackham. But Wayne was lucky: he was appointed captain of a new ship captured as a prize.


That’s how Charles Vane was watched by Black Sails



5 denomination coin depicting Charles Wayne, Commonwealth of the Bahamas


Chintz Jack and his Amazons




Anne Bonnie, Mary Reid and Rackham, Illustration Chris Collingwood


Rackham piracy not bad (19 place in the rating of the most successful pirates according to the Forbes magazine from 2008), but most of all he became famous not because of naval feats, but because two women served as men on his ship, dressed as men and Anne Bonnie (Cormac).


So we see Mary Reid and Ann Bonnie on an old engraving



Mary Reid and Anne Bonnie on a postage stamp Jamaica


Ann was an Irish woman whose family moved to South Carolina when she was 5 years old (in 1705). From the house of her father, a wealthy planter, with some sailor she fled to the island of New Providence, where she met with Rackham. On his ship, Ann initially hid that she was a woman, but after pregnancy and childbirth (she left the child on the beach), she stopped hiding.


Calico Jack and Anne Bonnie in the series Black Sails


With the new governor (Woods Rogers) Rackham did not get along. It is said that Rogers accused him and Bonnie of preparing to assassinate his beloved, and, as a punishment for both, ordered Rackham to carve Ann himself. That same night, the insulted lovers persuaded their old team to seize the Carluw sloop in Nassau harbor, on which the island of New Providence, which had become inhospitable, had left forever. Soon, Mary Reid crossed over from another pirate ship to their ship.


Mary Read killing her antagonist, engraving



But such a romantic beauty was seen by the audience of the movie “The Adventures of Mary Reed,” 1961


Mary was born in London and was older than Anne by 15 years. Her fate, apparently, was greatly influenced by the fact that, as an illegitimate child, from early childhood was forced to portray her dead brother (in order to ward off suspicions from her mother). At the age of 15, she left for Flanders, where, under the guise of a man, she entered a cadet in an infantry regiment, then continued serving in the cavalry. Here she fell in love with one of her colleagues, whom she married. After the death of her husband, Mary again dressed as a man and got on a Dutch ship leaving for the West Indies. On the way to the Caribbean, this ship was captured by pirates, to which she switched as a crew member - this happened in 1717. Later, either Rackham and Ann Bonnie captured her ship, or vice versa. But, in the end, they all ended up on the same ship, where Ann no longer hid her gender, and Mary - was still pretending to be a man. Everything was finally clarified after Ann Bonnie began to show her too frank signs of attention. These ladies were not lesbians, therefore, finding out what was happening, they became just friends.

Curious, by the way, история flag of the ship wreckham. At first it was a typical Jolly Roger, but then the sailors began to say that the crossbones on this canvas are the very ones from which Ann and Mary were created. Rackham took this as a mockery, and ordered two curved knives to be drawn instead.


Jack Rackham Flag


In 1720, Rackham’s ship was hijacked by a government ship only because the whole crew was drunk - including the captain, but excluding these women and another sailor who tried to organize resistance.


Last fight Ann Bonnie and Mary Reid, illustration


On the island of Jamaica, before being executed, Rackham asked for a meeting with Ann. She told him:
“If you fought like a man, you would not have to die like a dog!”



Anne bonney


Reid and Bonnie said they were pregnant, so their execution was delayed until they had children. Mary, who, according to many researchers, was still not Wreckham’s mistress (with such a hot Irish “girlfriend” like Anne Bonnie, it’s somehow unsafe to spin other cupid girls, especially on the same ship), she died of a a fever in a Jamaican prison. It is known about Anne that in April 1721, she gave birth to a boy. There is no reliable information about her future fate.


Anne Bonnie, Commonwealth of the Bahamas brand



Such a fun brand of the Turks and Caicos Islands: Mary Reid, Anne Bonnie, Calico Jack Rackham with a gang of pirates after robbing the ship "Bella Christina"


Of course, robbery in the Caribbean did not stop immediately after the British authorities took control of Nassau. According to the calculations of the same Rogers, about 2000 pirates continued to attack ships in the Caribbean at that time. Among them was swimming such a “hero” as John Roberts (Bartholomew Roberts, Black Bart).



He will be described in the next article in the series.
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Ryzhov V.A. Tortuga. Caribbean Paradise Filibusters
Ryzhov V.A. The Golden Age of Tortuga Island
Ryzhov V.A. Privatirs and corsairs of the island of Jamaica
Ryzhov V.A. Sir Henry Morgan. The most famous corsair of Jamaica and the West Indies
Ryzhov V.A. Fading Tortuga and the death of Port Royal
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 27 August 2019 05: 57
    +3
    a romantic raid, on the chaos of the British and Spanish crowns, due to piracy and the slave trade who have achieved prosperity in the old days ... the brits should generally be zeroed out at the expense of past and present sins, many on a site like "Mikhan" stigmatize Jews, accusing them of all sins, and so "mikhan", turn your fiery anger towards the Anglo-Saxons, this is the cradle of EVIL.
  2. VLR
    27 August 2019 06: 09
    +12
    While working on this article, I found out that many of its heroes are characters from the TV series "Black Sails", which I have not watched. Since the reviews about the series were generally positive, I ventured to use several frames from it as illustrations.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 27 August 2019 07: 01
      +6
      Thanks for the article, Valery!
      The series, of course, does not fit well with the story, but it is very "atmospheric"! Watched season 1.
      1. Phil77
        Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 12
        +2
        * And then the tank creeps out * hi Good morning, Anton! Unfortunately, the series has not yet been watched, it will be necessary to download and * immerse *.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 27 August 2019 07: 17
          +4
          My respect, Sergey!
          The official website of "Lostfilm", specializing in the translation of serials, is at your service.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 18
            +2
            Thank you, I’ll definitely go there.
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          1. Phil77
            Phil77 27 August 2019 09: 42
            +2
            Konstantin! My respect! Well, I'm sorry, who got up early and slippers! But in general * Antonov tank * is slowly becoming a classic! He betrayed it, he betrayed it! And below is his phrase about cola, doesn’t it attract a masterpiece!?! wassatModel? Well, Sherman!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 27 August 2019 09: 52
              +2
              Yes, Shermanyug, he’s somehow closer on the topic, I don’t know why.
              And what kind of "phrase about cola", something does not come to mind?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 27 August 2019 09: 54
                +2
                Well, what? Our Anton issued today: * Rum and Pepsi-Cola, what else does a rock'n'roll star need? * Sounds ?? !!! It just begs the immortal * Would you write a book director *!
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 27 August 2019 11: 10
                +1
                Hello Konstantin! This is "Mike" Naumenko, gr. "Zoo".
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 21
                  +2
                  Hi again! hi I am in these groups absolutely by zeros, and I have never heard "Zoo", probably. request
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub 27 August 2019 15: 48
                    +3
                    Likewise. For me all modern bands are Terra Incognito. I somehow feel closer to the "classics" starting with the "Beatles", Boney M, Arabesques and our performers of that time
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 27 August 2019 22: 55
                      0
                      The harsh Ryazan guys follow the original rock and roll initiative: Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Mali Waters .. For them, The Beatles = Ivanushki International laughing
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 28 August 2019 05: 02
                        +1
                        The only way! We have "mushrooms with eyes in Ryazan!" It cannot be otherwise. drinks
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 August 2019 22: 46
                    +1
                    We heard for sure!
                    "I love boogie woogie"
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 27 August 2019 11: 38
              +1
              I have only one association with a tank on white sand. This is an episode from Inhabited Island.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 51
                +1
                I would kill the director of this film, it is as much as you can disfigure a great book. Although his daddy was also distinguished by a violent temper. In the seventies, after the release of "War and Peace", the following joke went around the country: "Bondarchuk was raging", by analogy with the films about Fantomas.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 27 August 2019 12: 20
                  +1
                  I'm not talking about the film, the book also contains this episode. By the way, the "white submarines" belonged to the pirate republic.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 27 August 2019 12: 44
                    +1
                    Were they pirate? It seemed to me that the brothers simply meant simple knackers like the "heroic" Japanese warriors during the last big war. The most sensational case is the trial of the TEAMS (unprecedentedly) of the Japanese cruisers Aoba and Tone for their "exploits" during the famous raid, and they had submariners - any German is far from their Asian livestock.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 17: 08
                      +1
                      and they had submariners - any German was far from their Asian livelihood.

                      Mozheiko wrote about a German submarine in the South Seas, the crew of which, after drowning the transport, was amused by the fact that they shot floating sailors from a machine gun, and the Germans played so much that they did not notice the Allied plane .. and the plane drowned them .... angry this is from "Pirates, Corsairs, Raiders". This book is not bad, read online, dear people. drinks https://royallib.com/book/mogeyko_igor/pirati_korsari_reyderi.html
                      however, Igor Vsevolodovich, it seems, didn’t very accurately write about Libertaria in Madagascar there. About the pirate Tew was mistaken. what but about Avery’s exploits and the legend of the daughter of the Great Mogul - yes, there is one too. hi
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 28 August 2019 04: 59
                        +2
                        Hello to the great Emperor! soldier
                        As for Mozheiko, let me doubt it. This author, in the sense of reliability, never inspired me with confidence. Neither me nor my former colleagues at the State Historical Museum. Not a single serious author has a word about the alleged story with this boat in the South Seas. Moreover, the history of the shooting of the crew from machine guns in the military history literature is recorded only one. I don't remember the name of the boat commander, and it doesn't matter, he did not glorify himself in any other way. He excused himself at the trial by the fact that the stopped steamer, despite the ban, continued to broadcast the radio. His allies hanged him. But there was only one such case. And about the "South Seas" in general - what could the German boats do there?
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 11: 12
                        0
                        And about the "South Seas" in general - what could the German boats do there?

                        Germans personally sent help to fans of sake, geisha and Mikado. fellow although the Nazis themselves also went far on submarines. For example, the Nova Scotia, an English transport carrying Italian prisoners of war, was torpedoed off the east coast of South Africa. Most of the people on this ship were devoured by sharks ... No.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 28 August 2019 11: 38
                        +3
                        The Scotia was torpedoed near Freetown, which is far from the South Seas. Around the same place, the Guggenberger sank the light cruiser Dunedin with the last torpedo from a crazy distance. But all these boats were "Sevens", and the nickel and Reich technologies of the "Ninth Series" boats were dragged to Japan and they did not have an order to sink the ships, or rather the order was exactly the opposite, other tasks. Doenitz used them as "Cash cows" for flocks of his "Wolves". By the end of the war, yes, and these boats were sent to attack convoys, but this was rather an exception to the rule.
                        If you are interested, look through the book by Friedrich Ruge "War at Sea 1939-1945."
                        His last post under Adolf was Commander of the Atlantic Wall Naval Defense, and in the FRG he became the first commander of the Bundesmarine. The book is quite objective, even in relation to our fleet, although it was clearly written with the NATO Navy in mind. drinks
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 12: 52
                        +1
                        But all these boats were "Sevens", and nickel and Reich technologies were carried to Japan by the "Ninth Series" boats

                        EMNIP, carried a lot of things - including documentation on cruise missiles and disassembled jet fighters what
                        By the end of the war - yes, and these boats were sent to attack the convoys, but this was more likely an exception to the rule.

                        but at the beginning of the war, not only submarines went to sea, but also real "pirates" - both "pocket battleships" and auxiliary cruisers. Yes, they made a rustle then! hi
                      5. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 11: 54
                        +2
                        Sea Cat (Constantine) Today, 05: 59
                        hi
                        Moreover, the history of the shooting of a crew of machine guns in military history literature recorded only one.

                        ,,, Lieutenant Commander Heinz-Wilhelm Eck, U-852. Shooting of the command of the merchant ship "Pelei" from a machine gun, March 13, 1944

                        Ek and two of his crew appeared in court and were executed after the war: he was the only submarine commander accused of war crimes.
                        And about the "South Seas" in general - what could the German boats do there?

                        ,,, and the boats "Monsun"? belay I wanted to stamp an article about this operation and the material lies feel
                      6. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 12: 20
                        +1
                        ,,, also "thanks" to the film U-571, which shows the scene of the shooting, there was such an opinion.
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 28 August 2019 12: 29
                        +4
                        Hello, Sergey! hi This is a Norwegian, as far as I remember, and what was he supposed to do in the South Seas? And it was Ekka that I meant in the sense of a rope around my neck. There was also a second "eagle" - Lemp, but that, when his boat was captured by the allies, either completely went crazy, or simply committed suicide, otherwise he would have been pulled up.
                        MONSUN? Did you mean "Monsoon"? But it was generally a disastrous operation, the sinking of individual ships does not justify the money spent.
                        In my youth I was very interested in the Reich submariners and collected everything that could be found in the Soviet press. But of the serious books, except Ruge and Morrison, there was nothing, but we will not take seriously the writings of Glavpur and Pikul.

                        And in relation to write an article - write be sure! We have few real publications here. So do not be lazy "minherts" - put it up for discussion. By the way, little is written about the German boats of the last war. And not only the last one. To dig deeper than the same Shepke, or Arnaud de la Perrier ... smile Grab it.
                      8. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 12: 35
                        +2
                        Grab it.
                        ,, I'm a lover sad in my profile, look at articles about submarines. I'm afraid they will "stumble" me again laughing crying I do not like the technical side, but the very action of the event.
                      9. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 13: 33
                        +2
                        There was also a second "eagle" - Lemp
                        ,, there in general everything is muddy what Lieutenant Commander Fritz-Julius Lemp, U-110. On it the British for the first time on 09.05.1941/571/XNUMX captured the "Enigma" and the code books, and not the Americans as in the movie U-XNUMX. There is a version that he was shot when he tried to flood the boat. The British, when they cleaned everything from it, flooded it themselves.
                      10. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 12: 46
                        +1
                        ,,, and the boats "Monsun"? belay I wanted to squeeze an article, about this operation and the material is feel

                        and we would read! wink drinks
                      11. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 12: 56
                        +2
                        and we would read!
                        ,,, aha tongue pounce and you will pull the veins crying
                      12. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 13: 25
                        +1
                        ,,, yeah tongue pounce and you will veins pull crying

                        about waiting for writing? wink no. We will wait for your inspiration! yes
                        or do you doubt the reaction to the article, Sergey? drinks if someone doesn’t like it, I will give you back your phrase dear to me: "Anyone can offend an artist!" drinks for worse than then I succeeded, the article cannot be .. laughing
                2. vladcub
                  vladcub 27 August 2019 15: 56
                  +4
                  You must remember: "Aniskin and Fantômas"? As a child, I watched some kind of French parody of Fantômas, but what is it called? I can’t remember
          2. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 11: 23
            +3
            Quote: Sea Cat
            In general, I suggest that Anton change the nickname "3x3" to "Tank" and announce a competition for the specification of the model.

            "Jamaican Tank". laughing "The Jamaican tank smells like su-u-dead, blue, long ..." laughing
            However, it seems to me that such a replacement is unlikely to take place without an urgent "request" from the administration.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 54
              +1
              And we are here, in our village, among our own. By the way, "twilight smells like a Jamaican tank ... To fill the tank with rum instead of diesel fuel, this is a revolution in the tank forces of the whole world." soldier
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 27 August 2019 12: 24
              +1
              "And the city drank" bloody marie "
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 17: 24
                0
                And the city drank "bloody marie" "

                pina colada tastes better ..... what
            3. vladcub
              vladcub 27 August 2019 16: 00
              +4
              Mikhail, since such a booze has gone, why don't you crush your nickname on the "skating rink"? You know how to "flatten" the enemy. Joke
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 28 August 2019 05: 16
                +1
                Her, in my opinion, Michael should not change the nickname. There is something mysterious and unknown in the word Trilobite - like a triffid. And Skating rink is corny, it is even worse than Tank, because he does not have a gun and a crew of one person, there is no one to drink with. wink
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 13: 47
                  0
                  And Skating rink is corny, it is even worse than Tank, because he does not have a gun and a crew of one person, there is no one to drink with.

                  what if Tank-Skating rink? wink how did Porokhovschikov’s project exist, for example?

                  I borrowed the photo from the article by Vyacheslav Olegovich, I hope he won’t be offended! hi
          3. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 27 August 2019 11: 40
            +1
            Never!!! I have been living with this "nickname" for 15 years.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 58
              +2
              It's a matter of business, but you will not get anywhere from the tank. As the saying goes, the train left! But the tank remained. request
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 27 August 2019 12: 22
                +2
                "She ran away from me again,
                The last train "(c)
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 27 August 2019 12: 46
                  +2
                  "She ran away from me again,
                  The last train "(c)


                  But the tank remained! laughing
                  The armor is strong and our tanks are fast,
                  Although drunken tankers are sitting in them! soldier
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 27 August 2019 13: 45
                  +1
                  Yes, Anton, the tank is your everything! Jamaican, Argentinean, God be with us! Let it be American! But * and the tank crawls out here * is yours! By the way! No electric train will save you! Yours is the tank!
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 August 2019 14: 32
                    +1
                    Come on, spread rot, creative personality! Each artist strives to offend! crying
                    I’m upset and go to Artyom’s website.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 14: 58
                      +2
                      Yes, Anton, the tank is your everything! Jamaican, Argentinean, God be with us!

                      if his "all" is a tank, then "all" of the Sea Cat is a battleship? wink "I will drink the battleship without hesitation, but I will not disgrace the fleet!"(BG). I haven't come in for a long time ... what and here you are soooo interesting .... drinks
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 28 August 2019 14: 06
                        +1
                        Not a battleship for a Cat - Cats don’t fly so high. smile A simple scuba gear with a pack of dynamite is enough for us, but let him drink it all himself (BG), he is here in the concept, he just hasn’t served anywhere and never, because he’s crap.
                        And you didn’t come in completely in vain, we have not even "interesting" here, we have a naval "tavern" here, fortunately the authors of the topic throw up: either about Spanish shipbuilders, or about Caribbean pirates. So we are having fun, but where to go? Get involved, Nikolay. fellow
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 14: 24
                        +3
                        we have not even "interesting" here, we have a naval "tavern" here, fortunately the authors of the topic throw up: either about Spanish shipbuilders, or about Caribbean pirates. So we are having fun, but where to go?

                        Sea souls, have a great time! drinks the main thing is that it’s not like that laughing
                      3. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 14: 39
                        +2
                        we have not even "interesting" here, we have a naval "tavern" here, fortunately the authors of the topic throw up: either about Spanish shipbuilders, or about Caribbean pirates. So we are having fun, but where to go?
                        ,,,educational games feel
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 14: 49
                        +2
                        ,,,educational games

                        There was a riot on the island. The pirates dismissed Sharpe, accusing him of cowardice and self-interest. One of the arguments put forward by the riot participants was that they had no money, but Sharpe had a lot. The money was taken away, divided, and Sharpe was chained and put in the hold. They chose John Watling as admiral and decided to storm the city of Arica ... <.........> The journey to Arica was boring due to the fault of the new admiral, who forbade drinking on board, ordered to pray in the evenings and did not allow to play dice on Sundays. laughing
                        Igor Mozheiko. I posted the link upstream. drinks
                      5. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 15: 05
                        +1
                        One of the arguments given by the rioters was that they had no money, and Sharpe had a lot.
                        ,,, the main argument of all riots and revolutions lol
                      6. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 16: 41
                        +1
                        ,,, the main argument of all riots and revolutions

                        and just a constant source of human conflict. yes ah, does anyone have more? come on here! angry
                      7. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 August 2019 20: 29
                        +2
                        Bravo, Sergey! However, why are there four bones?
                      8. bubalik
                        bubalik 28 August 2019 20: 38
                        +2
                        hi
                        why are there four bones?
                        ,,, rolled away? request maybe smile there is a Four Dice game yes
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 28 August 2019 13: 52
                      0
                      Yeah, go ahead, sidekick! You come, and we rub rub hands there! laughing And, by the way, not everyone will offend an artist on a tank; soldier
                3. vladcub
                  vladcub 27 August 2019 16: 07
                  +2
                  Anton, you can transfer to the tank to catch up.
                  Actually, having a personal tank is cool. I remember Zhvanetsky asked for a tank without shells, but with a megaphone, in order to ask about the price in the market
                4. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 28 August 2019 19: 11
                  +1
                  "Playful" (c).
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 27 August 2019 13: 48
                +1
                Add, forever !!!! And Vlad will return and he will add!
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 15: 03
                  +1
                  Add, forever !!!! And Vlad will return and he will add!

                  yeah. right in the slippers. will add. jamaican rum wink
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 28 August 2019 13: 57
                    +1
                    No, Nikolay, the idea is different: with all the kagal we go to "Jamaican twilight" with our tank (Anton will bring it), sit on the armor on white sand and pour liters of rum. And the Bacchantes sing and dance to us, and Vlad will speak warm words to them and everyone will rejoice, even the imperialists. Long live Friendship between peoples and the head of the Ryazan Regional Police Department!
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 14: 02
                      +2
                      sit on the armor on a white sand and whipping rum liters

                      Monsieur, and you know a lot! wink "Bravo, French, bravo!" (Prince P. Bagration, Battle of Borodino) good
                      and Vlad will speak warm words to them

                      and still rumble, and sometimes cross paws in place. yes
                      Long live the friendship between peoples and the head of the Regional Ryazan police station!

                      and the interaction between all military branches! soldier and most importantly - mutual understanding between people .. drinks
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    2. Phil77
      Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 02
      +4
      I greet you Valery! As always, it’s exciting and informative! Let me ask you a question right away! I’ve always been wondering how these desperate little women got on the ship? No, how did they get into it, but then. The close team, cramped, unsanitary conditions, Yes, and monthly twigs. Well, how did they survive on the ship? And for some reason it seems to me that they were scary and peasant not childish! After all, impersonating a man and living a man’s life is so difficult! Even on land, and even on land ship (ellipsis)!
      1. VLR
        27 August 2019 07: 17
        +9
        Yes, of course, these ladies did not look like romantic beauties. Anne Bonnie got on the ship as Rackham's mistress, and quickly got used to it, she, apparently, was a rip-off from childhood: such a hot and furious Irish woman, to whom the word, and she in response - slap in the face. Mary Reed has been portraying a boy since childhood, and, it seems, very successfully, so it was easy for her to "join the team." As for unsanitary conditions, then all this physiology was treated more simply.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 21
          +2
          But what about the maritime sign * Baba on the ship to trouble *, or has she not yet appeared?
          1. VLR
            27 August 2019 07: 25
            +5
            Well, at first no one knew they were ladies. And then it turned out that there was nothing to worry about for the crew of your ship (if you weren't "excited"), but for the sailors of enemy ships - on the contrary.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 36
              +1
              And if you add to this that if * the lady * is not a captain’s girlfriend, then there’s a certain benefit for the crew. good
              1. Avior
                Avior 27 August 2019 08: 09
                +1
                Yeah, what would everyone have fought .....
                1. VLR
                  27 August 2019 08: 13
                  +7
                  Yes, in such cases, either one "beloved", very authoritative, or - none. And the ladies should "position" themselves very hard. The Soviet example is "Optimistic Tragedy": the corpse of a potential rapist and with a Browning in his hands: "Well, who else wants a commissar's body?"
                  She also worked with sailors.
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 27 August 2019 08: 23
                    +1
                    And was she not pregnant in the story?
                  2. Catfish
                    Catfish 27 August 2019 10: 01
                    +2
                    Well, as far as Lariska Reisner is concerned, as far as I know, she just loved to "communicate in person" with the sailors. She was a loving young lady. laughing
                    1. VLR
                      27 August 2019 10: 44
                      +2
                      Well, the "Commissioner" in this play is a collective character. Vishnevsky himself, for example, talked about Eugene Bosch, who stopped fleeing anarchist sailors near Kharkov. Like this: "She came up, took out a revolver and said:" Please go back, I beg you. " And they went! The passionate person has a mysterious power over ordinary people.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 19
                        +2
                        "A kind word with a revolver is always more convincing than just a kind word without a revolver in hand." (C) According to legend, the aphorism seems to belong to Al Capone. smile
                2. Phil77
                  Phil77 27 August 2019 09: 37
                  +1
                  * And if it's love? * fellow
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 23
          0
          Ha! Regarding unsanitary conditions. Surely the enemy ships were not found in the sea-ocean with the help of telescopes, but simply by smell !!!
          1. VLR
            27 August 2019 07: 36
            +6
            By the way, about the "monthly ailments" of Ann and Mary: if you believe what they write about them, during the PMS, even Rackham was probably afraid to come close to them - they would be shot inadvertently or stabbed with a knife.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 27 August 2019 09: 58
            +2
            At one time, one Western researcher came up with the theory that a person in prehistoric times survived among predators only because he smelled so that any saber-toot passed him per kilometer. There were no gas masks then.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 27 August 2019 10: 18
              +3
              Possibly. But imagine how the land army stank? At least the proximity of water (salty of course, but still) to the sea, and on land? Heat, sun, poisoned wells! There’s no time for sanitation and hygiene! A terrible nightmare.
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 16: 16
              +2
              that it smelled so that any saber-toot went around him for a kilometer. There were no gas masks then

              some still smell sharply, and not at all because of addictions to drink and lifestyle. stop Hormones, sir! request immediately a joke comes to mind about a coniferous bath and "as if someone shit under the tree". drinks
        3. Catfish
          Catfish 27 August 2019 09: 46
          +2
          Valery, hello! hi I'm here with another thanks. drinks

          On the "bird question" - I can imagine how these women looked, if the team could not distinguish them from the men. laughing And the question of using latrine, it is also very relevant.

          I have a small question here: would you like to make a separate article about tin pirate figures? The theme is fascinating, and just beautiful.
          1. VLR
            27 August 2019 09: 51
            +3
            On tin figures - I will not risk, not a specialist
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 27 August 2019 10: 42
            +5
            "the question of using the latrine, it is also very relevant." ///
            ----
            On the ships of those times there were no latches. There were two nets (from thick Katat) in the middle / rear of the ship from both sides. Got out on them and pooped / wrote in the water.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 15
              +5
              The fore part of the sailing ship was called latrine, and it was there that the nets were pulled. And it’s in the bow that all the waste products are washed off by the oncoming wave. On the famous columns in St. Petersburg they are called so - latrines. hi
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 27 August 2019 11: 23
                +3
                I thought the nets in the bow under the foresight - for serving the slanting sails there.
                But - thanks for the amendment! good
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 27 August 2019 11: 46
                  +4
                  Until the eighteenth century, there, under the bowsprit, on the transverse yard was also a "normal square" sail, and jibs (oblique) were also placed between the foresail and the mainsail. Just look at the pictures of that time, they depicted the sailing equipment of ships quite clearly. And at the stern, by the way, there were also windows of the company cabins and the captain's cabin, so no one would have "latrine" there. Although the guys here have already talked about unsanitary conditions and smelly ships of those times. There was nothing for the squeamish to do there. hi
        4. vladcub
          vladcub 27 August 2019 16: 19
          +2
          Valery, and such a question: is it possible in a close team, but the team lived bored, did the woman remain incognito? In most cases, a woman dressed as a man is visible. At least how she will meet her natural needs
    3. Edmond dantes
      Edmond dantes 29 August 2019 16: 45
      0
      The series is not bad, only in the last series it turned out that the main character, captain Flint, is blue. wassat
  3. VLR
    27 August 2019 07: 45
    +6
    Yes, still, I did not insert into the text - 2 versions of the origin of the name of the Bloody Mary cocktail: the first - on behalf of the Queen of England, the second - on behalf of Mary Reed.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 27 August 2019 07: 58
      +2
      Oh well. Koroleva and vodka (even with tomato juice)? No, it doesn’t fit. And Mary Reid didn’t hear or try about vodka. Familiar drinks? Whiskey, rum !!!, maybe wine. And vodka? It’s unlikely (ellipsis).
      1. VLR
        27 August 2019 08: 05
        +6
        So Jessel invented this cocktail in 1939! Then they no longer thought about what the pirates "used" and what not
        .
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 09: 21
        +2
        "Rum and Pepsi Cola,
        This is all a rock and roll star needs! "(C)
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 27 August 2019 09: 54
      +1
      "Bloody Maty" by the Queen of England - is this an allusion to the severed head of Mary Stewart?
      1. VLR
        27 August 2019 10: 08
        +7
        No, there was such a Catholic queen, Maria Tudor (1553-1558), who chopped the heads of the Protestants
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 27 August 2019 16: 23
          +3
          Quite right: there was such a bitch. She really tried to "justify" the nickname
      2. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 16: 30
        +2
        "Bloody Maty" by the Queen of England - is this an allusion to the severed head of Mary Stewart?

        colleagues, I will move away from the topic a little - towards Mary Stuart. On Sunday evening, after a hard and tense day, I collapsed on the sofa, and I was watching, therefore, the channel "365 days", the historical one. There is a program "Secrets of History", French. Several "experts" with a curly-haired leader at the head are discussing the execution of the unhappy Mary of this very Stewart. At the end of the program, a "medical expert" is invited there - a ruddy young man of about thirty. This "xperd" betrays a pearl about the executioner's swords .... attention! "In Moscow, in the Kremlin, there is a collection of swords for execution, some of them weighing 30-40 kilograms ..." fellow I almost collapsed from the couch, and the fate of the unlucky queen immediately became deeply uninteresting to me - the brutal images of the executioner-bodybuilders (a la A. Kuritsyn) revolted before my eyes .... belay I switched the channel .... negative anyone interested - here is the link, look at 1.00.15 - 1.00.30.
        http://www.dokonlin.ru/video/tainy-istorii-1-sezon-6-serija-pochemu-o.html
        colleagues, if I’m wrong, and the executioner's sword really weighed so much ... why did he need such a sword then? what easier to pin down with a club ... laughing drinks
  4. Avior
    Avior 27 August 2019 08: 07
    +6
    The illustration depicts a cruel way of hanging-strangulation.
    Usually the hanged man fell from a certain height and death quickly came due to rupture of the cervical vertebrae due to a jerk of the neck.
    In the illustration, the hanged man is pulled up, while the cervical vertebrae remain intact, and a person dies from gradual asphyxiation - a very slow and painful death with prolonged agony.
    Apparently, the reason was to hang it like that ....
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 27 August 2019 09: 24
      +3
      There is a version that this method of hanging was practiced by the French at Monfocone.
  5. Albatroz
    Albatroz 27 August 2019 08: 07
    +3
    An interesting article, and pictures are a glimpse
  6. kalibr
    kalibr 27 August 2019 09: 32
    +4
    Wonderful stuff, Valery!
  7. bubalik
    bubalik 27 August 2019 09: 34
    +6

    Bronze statue of Anne Bonnie and Mary Reid, in the Bahamas
    hi
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 27 August 2019 10: 36
      +5
      Good girls, funny friends ...
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 27 August 2019 16: 25
        +2
        Better to be further from these girlfriends: calmer and healthier for health
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 27 August 2019 13: 59
      +3
      The statues are certainly beautiful, but in life? You know, Sergey, I think we would meet on the street of these ladies, would run faster than (ellipsis) from something very good. and very good scary! A man in a skirt? a skirt on a man? In short, horror! Conclusion, do not believe Hollywood!
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 27 August 2019 14: 04
        +3
        Phil77 (Sergey)
        Man always wants to see only the best. winked . It seems to me that sculptures, portraits always look better than their prototype. Right now in the networks, your girls are editing photos, you are right, you will meet and do not recognize in reality bully
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 27 August 2019 14: 31
          +2
          Well, sometimes it loses sometimes! But (ellipsis) with our Russian girls and women it doesn’t work! They are the very, the very, the very !!!! !!!!
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 16: 34
          +2
          Right now in the networks, your girls are editing photos, you’re right, you’ll meet in reality and don’t recognize bully

          I have a beauty studio on my floor ... You should have seen, Sergei, how they come out of there ... I would say - "unnatural" laughing
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 27 August 2019 17: 12
            +1
            Capitular !!!! It's you ??? Nine! Das East I can’t believe my eyes! Partisan !!!
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 17: 19
              +1
              Capitular !!!! It's you ??? Nine! Das East I can’t believe my eyes! Partisan !!!

              If you are talking about the reaction to instanyashki, I also sorted out German in my head, but only "brauch kaine frau nur vaseline" laughing the joke is Rammstein. drinks Ay, now Anton will beat me for my German laughing unfortunately .. the picturesque licked-smeared "beauty" is becoming too fashionable! request
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 27 August 2019 17: 51
                +1
                Fershteen Zee! Naturlich z, a mistake came out sorry the commander accepted for theirs! Bean, so you understand, Phil !!! Fershtein Zee? Yaya! Capitular? Nine!
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 06
                +1
                Do you really love * Ramstein *? My God! A * Pudis * remember?! Our youth? Nine?
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 24
                  +1
                  Pudis - no. Honestly, I don’t remember.recourse and Rammstein is really my youth ... drinks but in general the Germans and Scandinavians make a quality "heavy". Not so long ago, the Norwegians did a metal opera about Vlad of the Tepes. good
                  1. VLR
                    27 August 2019 19: 07
                    +2
                    Have you seen their very strange "historical" video clip "Deutschland"? Where is Germany - for some reason, a Negro woman, who is then sent in a coffin somewhere into space ...
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 19: 12
                      +1
                      yes, the clip is really .. saturated .... what on "Warhead" it was analyzed by several authors. Here: https://warhead.su/2019/04/02/deutschland-chto-proishodit-v-novom-klipe-gruppy-rammstein
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 August 2019 19: 27
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        yes, the clip is really .. rich .... on "Warhead" it was analyzed by several authors. Here: https://warhead.su/2019/04/02/deutschland-chto-proishodit-v-novom-klipe-gruppy-rammstein

                        Actually, here we were sorted into pieces.
                        https://topwar.ru/156343-novyj-klip-rammstein-provokacija-ili-popytka-napomnit-istoriju-germanii.html
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 19: 30
                        +2
                        but I didn’t see it! drinks Yes .. Excuse me, Vladimir, I go to the site infrequently (today I pulled myself up! good ), and even less often in "photos and videos" ... recourse
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 27 August 2019 19: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        and even less often in "photos and videos" ...

                        So we know ...
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 19: 39
                        +3
                        will live! drinks damn .. miss you all hell! drinks
                2. Solo2503
                  Solo2503 27 August 2019 19: 53
                  +2
                  Pudis is the GDR? late 70s
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 20: 00
                    +1
                    Pudis is the GDR? late 70s

                    looks like yes. Unfortunately, by age I do not reach their fans, but the Internet gives out precisely the GDR of the late 70s.
                  2. Phil77
                    Phil77 28 August 2019 08: 11
                    +1
                    Yes, yes. They, hell! Everything is so curly! But how did the party let such unbridled people onto the stage ?! laughing
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 09
                  +2
                  Our youth developed 10 years earlier than the adolescence of Nicholas. Let's not shake gray hairs (sand can wake up), let's just silently envy him 37, and thank him for communicating with us, the elders.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 20: 12
                    0
                    and thank you for communicating with us, the elders.

                    still 36 ..... wink Glad to a company like ours. good
          2. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 27 August 2019 17: 18
            +2
            Aphrodite is a cruel goddess, requiring sacrifices, sometimes even human ones.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 27 August 2019 17: 24
              +2
              Anton! I understand the tank from around the corner, even Sherman Argentinean, but is that? !!? Once again you is Los ????????
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 27 August 2019 19: 22
                +1
                It's, i'm back !!!
                Yes, I will not hide, there was a momentary weakness caused by the psychological pressure of comrades-opportunists (let's not poke a finger), but there are a lot of "jokers" in my deck (for example, Nikolai)
                Now hold on!
                "Vengeance is mine, I will repay" laughing drinks
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 19: 36
                  +1
                  "Vengeance is mine, I will repay"

                  ..... to all sisters - by earrings, to all brothers - by balls .... lol (Darth Vader's march plays behind the scenes) fellow
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 01
                    0
                    Yes, hell with two!
                    "I am also a hero, but different" (c)
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 20: 02
                      +1
                      "I am also a hero, but different" (c)

                      "Normal heroes always go around!" wink (Aibolit-66. By the way, the song of the pirates!). But the detour is not about you. stop drinks
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 37
                        +1
                        My forum motto is:
                        "Dare, please, laugh at me,
                        If this helps you,
                        Yes, I seem to be a jester, but in my soul - the king!
                        And no one like me can "(c)
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 37
                        +1
                        and I like them more "Puppets" yes
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 22: 40
                        +1
                        Puppets?
                      4. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 49
                        0
                        "Hey, dolls, run, eat me! Here I am!" fellow
                        although this one is also good wink even pirates love rum!
                      5. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 23: 07
                        +1
                        Well, 3x3zsave, this is a composite image, a lot is taken from different "Ural mountaineers"
            2. bubalik
              bubalik 27 August 2019 17: 30
              +2
              Aphrodite is a tough goddess

              There is nothing more harmful than a woman sad
              Homer
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 17: 32
                +1
                There is nothing more harmful than a woman

                and Sherlock Holmes didn’t contact them at all, so that his mind would be clear wink on the other hand .. he had Dr. Watson! laughing
                "All women are witches!" (N.V. Gogol) drinks
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 27 August 2019 17: 36
                  +1
                  I quietly decrease into oblivion. Alles abgemaht. Alles !!!
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 17: 40
                    +1
                    I quietly decrease into oblivion. Alles abgemaht. Alles !!!

                    Look, you’re eating, you’re glitching, makhn, Sergey! laughing Damn, I once went to the site, and did not regret it! drinks good
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 10
                      +1
                      Ha ha! Berlin dialect and does not smell! Rather, Polish, alas!
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 15
                        0
                        Berlin dialect and does not smell!

                        as I was told by a friend who had lived in Germany for some time, few people now speak the Berlin dialect! drinks Now "go-dish" and other "shi" request
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 21
                        +1
                        And it’s lucky with friends, I think.
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 30
                        0
                        And it’s lucky with friends, I think.

                        Well, that is a given! yes but Rammstein does not seem to have a "high German syllable" request
                2. bubalik
                  bubalik 27 August 2019 17: 57
                  +3
                  Pane Kohanku
                  Today, 18: 32
                  ,, in London, the weather is not conducive to beauty laughing Yes, and the doctor was at hand belay there Anton writes, Aphrodite is a cruel goddess, and here we have: Vasilisa the Beautiful, Marya Krasa, a long braid fellow Baba Yaga really gets out a little recourse
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 04
                    +1
                    Yes, and the doctor was at hand

                    about the Good Doctors we would need to be more careful .. wink Sea Cat is also a Doctor .. laughing
                    Baba Yaga really gets out a little

                    really. And also requires human sacrifices .... what although any woman requires them .. well, then we are men! drinks soldier
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 31
                      +1
                      Pan! What are you talking about ?! Tell me straight-drank ????? !!!!!
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 35
                        +1
                        Pan! What are you talking about ?! Tell me straight-drank ????? !!!!!

                        I don’t drink at work. stop I’m only entering VO. laughing
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 38
                        +1
                        So they drank! Your rank? Quick answer! Rank?!?;? - Answer !!!!
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 18: 57
                        +2
                        Stanislav Karol Radziwill, owner of Nesvizh and Peace, governor of Vilnius since 1762, elder of Lviv since 1755, Great Lithuanian swordsman since 1752, Xth ordinate of Nesvizh, XIIIth ordinate of Olytsky, owner of Byala Podlaska, Birzai, Dubingiai and Kedainia , or simply - to Pan Kohanku wink so normal?
                      4. Phil77
                        Phil77 27 August 2019 19: 08
                        0
                        And yet you drank! Dear! Well, what shall we do? Wisely, or by salary? We think, dear, we think !!!!
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 59
                        0
                        Wisely or wage?

                        subtly hinting at a joint drinking "on the forum"? wink drinks
                      6. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 20: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        X-ordinate Nesvizh

                        In the sense of "very bad"? This is already too much (opchepyatka, came out, but decided not to fix laughing ) self-critical, for my taste.
                        But in general, you (we) colleagues have made some kind of hell today. Well, almost about the pirates!
                      7. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 20: 09
                        +1
                        In the sense of "very bad"? This is already too much (opchepyatka, came out, but decided not to correct laughing) self-critical, for my taste.

                        Carramba! am Michael, the compilers of Wikipedia, pigs, misrepresented my titles! belay count them all! angry
                        owner of Nesvizh and Peace

                        yes, if that, the World is a castle, not wider concept. stop I don't need too much in titles, I'm not "Mr. Universe" A. Kuritsyn laughing
                      8. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 20: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        owner of Nesvizh and Peace

                        I liked it in the context of the world, not the castle. Almost "the master of the universe and Kupchino", if he is inferior, then not much. smile
                        But I, with my "possessions" in the form of a quiet modest trilobite, can only lonely drop in the corner of meager tears, sniffing and wiping myself with a wet sleeve. smile
                        Next time I will also take myself a nickname with a title. Well, there, Misha Prushanin, for example, or simply and without complaints Mikhail Mephist.
                      9. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 45
                        +2
                        or simply and without complaints Mikhail Mefist.

                        Mephistus ... what will we blow up the ship for our own pleziru, as in "Little Tragedies"? wink fellow "I'm bored, Bes!" laughing
                      10. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 23: 38
                        +1
                        What to do, Faust?

                        Yes,
                        drown everything
                        it’s completely pirate on the topic of the article. smile
                        Mephist, or "drunkard", is the nickname of the Byzantine emperor Michael III. So I'll take the "title" of basileus,
                        and I swear I don’t need more
                        .
                      11. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 09: 19
                        0
                        So I'll take the "title" of basileus,

                        oh, modestly, bravo, bravo! laughing
                      12. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 23: 32
                        +2
                        "Specific Prince of Ufa and Kostroma" (c)
                      13. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 11: 21
                        +1
                        "Specific Prince of Ufa and Kostroma" (c)

                        as well as the South-West and Commandant Avenue, and other, other, other. laughing
                        About aliases. When Tsarevich Pavel Petrovich and his wife traveled across Europe, they took the pseudonym "Princes of the North". Naturally, everyone knew who they were. wink Pavel made a rather favorable impression on the monarchs, although, EMNIP, the French were a little embarrassed: "He is not surprised at anything ...." request
                      14. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 53
                        +2
                        Good evening, Michael! It's my fault! I, just, was upset for my, for years fostered Internet alter ego.
                      15. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 21: 12
                        +1
                        Greetings, Anton. smile
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        fostered internet alter ego for years

                        All under the moderator-administrator we go. smile
                        A furore administratorum libera nos, o Domine!
                        laughing
                        It's time to become a fatalist. smile hi
                      16. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 22: 06
                        +2
                        "The future is not determined. There is no destiny, except for the one that we create ourselves" (c)
                      17. Trilobite Master
                        Trilobite Master 27 August 2019 23: 48
                        +2
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        The future is undefined

                        All of us are waiting for Ragnarok. But wait for him in Valhalla
                        given not to all, but to those heroes only,
                        who with honor fell at the hands of the enemy on the battlefield
                        with arms in hand.
                      18. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 56
                        +2
                        XIII ordinate olytsky

                        Michael, and it turns out then - "three times bad", or what? laughing In I awoke .... what I don’t remember a fig, and I don’t know, I was not there! stop wink
                        But in general, you (we) colleagues have made some kind of hell today. Well, almost about the pirates!

                        no .... we just talked, as in the good old days ... as before ... it's expensive! good
                      19. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 23: 28
                        +1
                        And by the way, yes! Arrange a sabbath, against the backdrop of my own psychiatric balance, I can!
                      20. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 27 August 2019 19: 52
                        +1
                        Police captain in stock!
                        Zum befel, mein general!
                      21. Phil77
                        Phil77 27 August 2019 18: 46
                        +1
                        Shoo? And at work not shooo? Current on in a little! laughing
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 August 2019 19: 32
                    +1
                    3x3zsave, "went out on the" warpath ", soon the coffins will rise in price" (c)
                    However, Sergey, this will not affect you. There are some comrades here who persuade me to change their nickname, which for me is equivalent to a gender change!
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 27 August 2019 19: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Pane Kohanku
                  All women are witches! "(N.V. Gogol)

                  And those older are just witches. laughing
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 August 2019 21: 17
                    +1
                    You shouldn't be like that, Vladimir! Women accompany me all my life, a generation older than me. A sort of Parks. I have not seen or heard anything bad from them. "My aunts" I call them. By the way, remind, who brought you a certain amount of "aqua vita" on January XNUMX this year?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 17: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      You shouldn’t be so, Vladimir! I have been accompanied by women all my life, a generation older than me.

                      Isn’t it from Gogol? recourse
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 28 August 2019 20: 03
                        0
                        Fair? I do not remember!
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 17: 00
                    +1
                    And those older are just witches.

                    by the way, the second part of "Viy" is released. It's even interesting to look ... smile
                4. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 41
                  +1
                  But what about Irene Adler?
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 27 August 2019 19: 05
                +2
                "Oh, vile, you people!
                Boring women!
                The number for you is legion,
                And your name is self-interest! "
                Timur Shaov
          3. bubalik
            bubalik 27 August 2019 17: 34
            +2
            Pane Kohanku
            Today, 17: 34
            ,,,Greetings hi drinks with this photo, a separate branch turned out belay , no matter how the author am
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 17: 37
              +2
              , as if the author is not am

              and us for sho? belay that niii! drinks With such a discussion, the esteemed author is a sin to be offended! hi Hello Sergey drinks
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 27 August 2019 19: 44
              +2
              No, Valery is a good author! I judge from my own experience. Those people with whom I, at the beginning of communication quarreled or argued on the forum - are adequate! The only exception is Nikolai, (2 years of communication on the site, six months of personal acquaintance, have never scolded, did not even argue!)
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 19: 57
                +1
                or argued on the forum - adequate! The only exception - Nikolai <......> did not even argue!

                and inadequate ..... wassat drinks no, Nikolai is adequate, this is his alter ego - inadequate. laughing
                No, Valery is a good author!

                I will join! hi
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 27 August 2019 20: 17
                  +1
                  I hope you never have to see me in such a state!
  8. Alex_59
    Alex_59 27 August 2019 11: 15
    +4
    I have never been interested in pirated topics, but I read these articles with interest and with an open map - I want to immediately see the places where it was. Very interesting.
  9. akunin
    akunin 27 August 2019 17: 01
    +3
    the author bow to the Bahamian brand, edward tich is depicted as some kind of vintage gas generator with piggy eyes, and at the time of his death he was 38 years old
  10. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 27 August 2019 19: 33
    +2
    At 7 hi.
    In the south of Argentina, sea robbery, hiding behind the "permission" of different states, existed until the 19th century.
    Comandante Luis Piedrabuena .... for example. A city in the south of Argentina is named after him.
  11. Antares
    Antares 27 August 2019 22: 16
    +2
    The daughter of the Great Mughal Fatima. The fate of this girl is similar to the fate of the famous "Persian Princess" Stenka Razin. According to one version, Avery raped and killed her, according to another - at first “married” and only then killed

    read about these versions. True, there is one more
    English King William III announced the first ever international wanted list and an incredible (again at those prices) prize for Avery's head - 1000 pounds, declaring the pirates hostis humani generis ("enemies of the human race").
    Later, in 1698, when a general amnesty was declared, it concerned absolutely all the enemies of the British crown. Everyone except Avery.
    And the point was not even the fact of piracy, but the fact that in the largest cabin of the captured ship, made up of expensive ivory furniture, a very beautiful young girl was captured - the daughter of the Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb (according to one source - Jalandhar) , according to others - Fatima).
    It was already quite "cinematic": Avery fell in love with the beauty, and she eventually reciprocated. After arriving in Madagascar, the pirate and the Indian princess announced their intention to get married. The court dignitaries of the Great Mogul, captured together with the princess, were terribly indignant, but Avery promised to grant them freedom if they signed the marriage act as witnesses. By a strange coincidence, a Protestant pastor who found himself among the pirates consecrated this union for a substantial amount (according to another version, respecting the faith of his wife, Avery agreed to the consecration of the marriage by the mullah).
    In accordance with the promise, Avery freed the captives and even took care of their delivery to India.
    The ship, on the other hand, was in the most unenviable position: practically everyone hunted it, including even fellow pirates. After a meeting with the team, Avery decided to leave through half of the then known world - already to the Bahamas. There, the local governor was completely unaware of what was happening in the Indian Ocean. Therefore, when they promised to give him the whole ship ("Inspiration" was now a burden), he allowed him to go ashore, sell the trophies ... The crew finished the booty and fled. When the royal decree reached here, it was too late. Someone was then caught, someone was hanged. But not Avery.
    He led 75 people from his team did not cross the territory of the current United States, to Boston, where he calmly went into business.
    Beautiful wife, a fortune, a good home, business ...
    However, the entire supply of luck for him ran out. The ships he built were sinking or burning in shipyards, the Indians attacked the sawmills, goods and weapons were sold without profit.
    After some time, he was forced to buy new documents and run away. Having returned incognito back to England, he did not find happiness there either, he was tritely deceived by buyers of jewelry and completely went bankrupt.

    I do not believe in romance ... most likely at first raped / raped. Then they found out who thought about the ransom, then strangled them on emotions ... as usual ..
    I read the article with interest. Thank.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 27 August 2019 22: 51
      +1
      I read the article with interest. Thank.

      very nice and competent comment. good I enjoyed reading it myself. I bow! drinks
  12. yehat
    yehat 28 August 2019 17: 36
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Any German is far from their Asian livestock.

    there is no particular Asian livelihood, there are very specific poorly educated and muzzled peasants, who, after joining the army, have definitely leaked.
    Imagine, yesterday you are a poor man and almost the scum of society, and today you are armed, in uniform, getting content and salaries and defenseless powerless people with whom you have the kind of war and you can do what you want - that's what they did ... and the shores did not see.
    but in exactly the same way, the Estonian peasants who were enlisted in the punitive detachments of the SS on the territory of the USSR were atrocious. It is also worth noting that in the Japanese army and navy there was simply monstrously cruel stick discipline, which also hardened people.
    after a small misconduct, they could give you so much ass kick that healed for half a year, Japanese soldiers often after punishment ended up in the infirmary.
    or here is an example of punishment - 1 Japanese soldier who fled from the battlefield near Halkin-Gol was punished, after collective beating, he was ordered to drag all the platoon equipment several tens of kilometers. What is curious - dragged and not dead.
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 28 August 2019 17: 43
      +1
      but exactly the same atrocities were committed by Estonian peasants who enrolled in the SS on the territory of the USSR.

      Sergey, and it seems to me that a gun in his hands and impunity give themselves carte blanche so that the soldier comes out the lowest request Unfortunately!
      1. yehat
        yehat 28 August 2019 17: 49
        +2
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        Sergey, and it seems to me that the gun in the hands and impunity give themselves carte blanche so that the soldier comes out the lowest unfortunately!

        only the threshold of this lowest noticeably changes in education and culture (in general)
        among the Germans in the army it was very noticeable - not all Germans messed around with the locals, even when they retreated in 43-44.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 29 August 2019 10: 02
          +1
          among the Germans in the army it was very noticeable - not all Germans messed around with the locals, even when they retreated in 43-44.

          I do not agree! hi Ordnung is Ordnung. It was by no means the miserable lumpen who made the decision to burn the villages together with the inhabitants. No, it was senior officers with a cold crew who gave such orders ... what But in carrying out such orders, the Germans, if possible, generally tried not to get dirty - why do it themselves, if there are a bunch of well-wishers from "national formations" and "policemen"? request
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 28 August 2019 17: 51
        +2
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        so that the lowest out comes from the soldier

        I had a stylet of forest brothers, so there was such a filthy aura ... It seems like a stylet, like a stylet, but it was somehow disgusting to take it in my hands.
  13. Korsar4
    Korsar4 28 August 2019 19: 06
    +4
    Whom do not appoint the governor - all are on the same track. And the selection of brands is good.