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In the United States called three "failed" Russian weapons project

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Russia continues to be one of the leaders in creating advanced weapons in the world, but she also has "failed projects." This writes the American edition Business insider.


In the United States called three "failed" Russian weapons project


Against the backdrop of the creation of advanced weapons, which Russia is promoting around the world, Moscow also has "failed" projects when the equipment does not confirm the characteristics laid down in it, the newspaper writes. According to the authors of the article, at the moment there are three such projects.

The authors call the first "failed" project of Russia a ground-based robotic complex "Uran-9". According to the publication, Russia allegedly "pretended" in the 2018 that this complex was used in Syria, but in fact the Russian military recognized that Uranus-9 was not working, and references to it soon ceased.

The authors put active chameleon camouflage in the Predator style, which was supposedly “quickly forgotten,” in second place with “failed” Russian weapons. The publication writes that last year, Rostec announced the creation of a new camouflage that can instantly change color depending on the environment, but still has not demonstrated it, although this news "thundered all over the world."

On the third step of the podium of failed projects, the publication marked the Russian cruise missile with the Burevestnik nuclear installation, which the authors called the "national shame of Russia." The publication is convinced that the project was unsuccessful, as allegedly testified by Russia’s tests. The article says that in the four tests conducted from 2017 to February 2018, the rocket’s nuclear engine “couldn’t be launched."

It is noteworthy that all these conclusions of American "experts" are based on incomprehensible data from the past year, and do not affect the current one at all. For example, this year it became known that the Uran-9 complex, after being adopted, was modernized taking into account the comments of the military and many media outlets wrote about this, including foreign ones. With regard to the Burevestnik missile, you can write anything, since there is still no reliable information about it, and all publications of foreign media are based on the assumptions and inventions of article authors.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 15 August 2019 09: 50
    -23
    Recently, our military has been giving a lot of joy to the United States ...
    Either Losharik, then, Petrel ... (supposedly)
    August ... Eat him! For some reason, all the misfortunes near him gather ...
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 15 August 2019 09: 55
      +19
      Russia continues to be one of the leaders in the creation of advanced weapons in the world, but it also has "failed projects"

      In Russia, they know how to make money on "failure" smile


      1. Mikhail Drabkin
        Mikhail Drabkin 15 August 2019 10: 48
        +17
        there are also "failed projects .... at the moment there are three such projects.


        If we are not mistaken, this means that we are not working on the edge of the attack ..... be it the military-industrial complex, or any human undertaking.

        Only on mistakes and learn !!!!
        1. AUL
          AUL 15 August 2019 12: 15
          +17
          Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
          If we are not mistaken, this means that we are not working on the edge of the attack ..... be it the military-industrial complex, or any human undertaking.

          The one who does nothing is not mistaken! The main thing is to identify, acknowledge and correct the error!
          1. Maz
            Maz 15 August 2019 15: 07
            0
            It would be nice to learn from other people's mistakes
        2. betta
          betta 15 August 2019 14: 03
          0
          In life, learns better from the mistakes of others.
          1. vik669
            vik669 15 August 2019 15: 08
            +5
            Yes, but in life they laugh at other people's mistakes and learn from their own!
            1. betta
              betta 16 August 2019 08: 53
              0
              I adhere to the rule: the smart learns from the mistakes of others! If the reasoning is weak, then of course, you have to learn from your own.
          2. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 15 August 2019 19: 00
            +2
            Quote: betta
            In life, learns better from the mistakes of others.

            I do not know such students. we all listen to the mistakes of others, according to nods and .. do it our own way ... Everything through our own experience comes.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 16 August 2019 00: 46
        -1
        Duc Ostap was a Turkish citizen according to the plan of Ilf and Petrov
        1. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 16 August 2019 04: 49
          +3
          And not his dad?
        2. Cotnik
          Cotnik 16 August 2019 16: 06
          0
          ... My dad was a Turkish citizen ... But that does not mean that he was a Turk.
      3. lukewarm
        lukewarm 16 August 2019 09: 04
        0
        +100500. Collect money so that "I do not fail too much", if according to Ilf and Petrov. With this they are all right.
    2. himRa
      himRa 15 August 2019 09: 57
      -8
      Against the backdrop of the creation of advanced weapons, which Russia is promoting around the world, Moscow also has "failed" projects when the equipment does not confirm the characteristics laid down in it, the newspaper writes. According to the authors of the article, at the moment there are three such projects.

      Quote: Victor_B
      Recently, our military has been giving a lot of joy to the United States ...
      Either Losharik, then, Petrel ...

      Maybe you're right, but the price of the issue of failures is not comparable! in the case of “striped”, these are billions and even more in terms of loss of life, especially if you take into account that they are stupidly more and they are more stupidly shooting and flying, but doesn’t it seem to you that mention of our failures is bad !? for this there are ,, mattresses ,, let them cluck
    3. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 15 August 2019 10: 16
      +14
      It happens when developing a new one. The United States would very much like to receive all these three Russian, in their opinion, "failed projects"
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 15 August 2019 10: 30
        +36
        In the USA, there are enough failures: Zumwault (ship - 22 billion), Comanche (helicopter - 8 billion), BAT (homing anti-tank element ate more than 2 billion), Krusader self-propelled gun (2 billion), FCS "tank of the future" (18 billion). Etc. hi
        1. quote
          quote 15 August 2019 11: 00
          +16
          Quote: Kasym
          In the USA, there are enough failures: Zumwault (ship - 22 billion), Comanche (helicopter - 8 billion), BAT (homing anti-tank element ate more than 2 billion), Krusader self-propelled gun (2 billion), FCS "tank of the future" (18 billion). Etc. hi

          FU-35 !!!
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 15 August 2019 11: 11
            0
            The Americans will modify it in any case. Too many contracts and obligations to partners. Although I am not a supporter of single-engine cars. hi
            1. user1212
              user1212 16 August 2019 05: 01
              0
              Quote: Kasym
              The Americans will modify it anyway

              It is possible, but the plane is already 20 years old. This is not the first five in the US and there was plenty of time. It seems that the situation can still be corrected, but the question remains why this has not been done for so many years. For the world leader in aircraft manufacturing, this is an absolute failure, although not the fact that the final
        2. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 10: 50
          -5
          Quote: Kasym
          In the US, there are enough failures: Zumwault (ship - 22 billion), Comanche (helicopter - 8 billion), VAT (homing anti-tank element ate more than 2 billion), Krusader self-propelled gun (2 billion), FCS "tank of the future" (18 billion). Etc


          How many people died in this? How much territory has been infected?

          The question of not lost funds is experience gained for money and in the future it gave new groundwork.

          The tests in which the product explodes are frequent, but these are products with a non-nuclear power plant.
          And if people die during the tests, this means that the power plant has not been worked out laboratory and prematurely switched to full-scale tests and the safety of personnel or was not taken into account or underestimated - and this is not just negligence - it is incompetence and criminal neglect of the safety of the tests.
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 16 August 2019 14: 49
            0
            Sorry, Dmitry, but this is not about that. hi
      2. The comment was deleted.
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 15 August 2019 11: 03
          -3
          Your point of view does not stand up to simple criticism. The fact is that it is more profitable for them to scare their taxpayers so that it is easier to get financing for their projects, and you write about some reassurance of taxpayers.
          1. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 15 August 2019 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            it is more profitable for them to scare taxpayers

            You're not right. It is beneficial for them to scare taxpayers only if it is possible to get financing for some kind of project that neutralizes the horror story. If there is no such project, then they reassure us with unpromising security or are simply silent. For example, recent launches of DPRK aeroballistic missiles and the Khusit attack by a medium-range missile on a parade in Saudi Arabia.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 15 August 2019 11: 31
            +2
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            Your point of view does not stand up to simple criticism. The fact is that it is more profitable for them to scare their taxpayers so that it is easier to get financing for their projects, and you write about some reassurance of taxpayers.

            You are mistaken ... in addition to frightening taxpayers, there is such a moment as showing that we can. That we are not stupid, and therefore it is not in vain that we ask for money. Damned Russians, after all, are stealing technology from us. Chesslovo. fellow
        2. bar
          bar 15 August 2019 12: 14
          +2
          On the contrary, the explosion at the testing ground of the alleged "petrel" confirms that this is not a fake, but a real project, which has already reached the stage of real tests. And I hope he can do it. Although of course I'm sorry for the dead ...
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 15 August 2019 16: 53
            -11
            Quote: bar
            and a real project that has already reached the stage of real testing.


            And how many more people should give their lives - or how many kilometers of the territory - the water area should be closed due to radioactive contamination in order to satisfy someone’s ambitions?
            What exactly is the risk for Russia now?
            1. Cyrus
              Cyrus 15 August 2019 17: 53
              +2
              In the existence of people like you.
              1. DimerVladimer
                DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 10: 41
                -3
                Quote: Cyrus
                In the existence of people like you.


                Unlike you, I worked for the country.

                HEY LITERATURE MINUSTERS!
                If there is not enough opinion of the person who gave rocket science for 7 years, we read the opinion - here is the opinion of a respected scientist, the former head of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, in the 1970s and 1980s, Major General Vladimir Dvorkin.

                And the knowledge of this expert in the field of missile weapons is orders of magnitude greater than that of narrow specialists and, especially, other amateurs.

                Before minus - get acquainted with the opinion of professionals:
                The general called the nuclear "Petrel" unsafe:
                “In my estimation, such a missile is not needed functionally. And from the point of view of security, it does not meet the necessary requirements. Its appointment is unnecessary and vague, ”the military expert said.

                In his opinion, Russia possesses “a sufficient number of aircraft cruise missiles in conventional equipment on heavy bombers that are capable of hitting any targets at long distances,” because “bombers may not enter the enemy’s air defense [air defense] zone."

                https://lenta.ru/news/2019/08/14/burevestnik/

                The level of UR-amateurs surpasses, maybe the opinion of the most famous rocketeer will affect your technical illiteracy!
                1. K-612-O
                  K-612-O 16 August 2019 11: 39
                  +1
                  And where does the 4 CRII which deals with ground-based missiles, military stations, mines and aviation missiles? And why didn’t they ask the opinion of the 12th Central Research Institute? And technology 70-80 years. this is a slightly different story, very outdated.
                  The task was set to develop an appropriate reactor and VNIIEF successfully implemented it.
                  1. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 12: 43
                    -3
                    Quote: K-612-O
                    And why didn’t they ask the opinion of the 12th Central Research Institute?


                    And where does the 12 Central Research Institute study the damaging factors?

                    Quote: K-612-O
                    And technology 70-80 years. this is a slightly different story, very outdated.

                    Well, and where did you get that outdated? All that rocket flies now uses 50-60s rocket engine technology.
                    TTRD - 70-80s
                    with minimal improvements.
                    New concepts not brought.
                    Quote: K-612-O
                    The task was set to develop an appropriate reactor and VNIIEF successfully implemented it.


                    Extreme trials did not show that it was successful - the leading team died.
                  2. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 16 August 2019 17: 02
                    0
                    Quote: K-612-O
                    The task was set to develop an appropriate reactor and VNIIEF successfully implemented it.

                    And how interesting would the potential adversaries be if such a reactor caused radioactive contamination of the area during the database?
            2. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 16 August 2019 00: 49
              +1
              normal people give their lives in order to save dozens of these lives. maybe millions. in rare cases billions
          2. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 10: 49
            -2
            Quote: bar
            Although the dead of course sorry ...


            Families of the dead will not return them
      3. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 15 August 2019 16: 49
        -5
        Quote: To be or not to be
        It happens when developing a new one. The United States would very much like to receive all these three Russian, in their opinion, "failed projects"


        The United States abandoned its Tory ramjet engine, Tory, USA in 1964 - smart people.
        Why did 10 scientists and officers of the training ground give their lives?
        How many more will die from received radiation doses?
        Was this test with such consequences necessary?
        Whose ambition should it satisfy?
        The ambitious directors of the RFNC who promised that everything will be clean and beautiful and burned down scientists and officers of the testing ground in radioactive heat?
        If the technology was not so developed, was it necessary to assign MO tests on a training ground so close to a city with a population of 200 thousand, to poison the area from which fish goes to the table to the population across the country?
        A lot of questions arise.
        1. 16329
          16329 15 August 2019 23: 06
          +5
          Well, why stupid tantrums, accidents with human casualties occur in ordinary production in any country, many people get illnesses from standard industrial plants, these are non-ferrous metallurgy workers and miners and oil workers with gas workers, but nobody stops production
          When conducting field tests of new systems of military equipment, accidents always happen and the reasons are different.
          There is no need to pay attention to the comments of such events by unskilled and uninformed people, who are the majority.
          Moreover, to listen to the materials of the Western press in the conditions of the information war
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 08: 35
            -3
            Quote: 16329
            When conducting field tests of new systems of military equipment, accidents always happen and the reasons are different.


            But it is extremely rare with the death of people and with radioactive infection.
            In the USSR, they flied from their posts in an instant.
            1. K-612-O
              K-612-O 16 August 2019 11: 44
              -1
              Where did you actually find the infection? In the summer, you get a larger dose in the sun than the background once every 10-20, something no one dies from this. And hysteria is the lot of amateurs, fools and alarmists.
            2. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 16 August 2019 12: 15
              -2
              But it is extremely rare with the death of people and with radioactive infection.
              In the USSR, they flied from their posts in an instant.

              What are you saying? And 1954 at the Totsky training ground? What was that? Offended by the minus? Be patient!
              1. Oleg Kovalchuk
                Oleg Kovalchuk 16 August 2019 19: 59
                0
                The tests were where all those involved had the necessary protection and the exercises themselves were carefully thought out. Unlike americosia, where there were dozens of similar, but much more careless exercises, everything is fine there.
                1. Okolotochny
                  Okolotochny 18 August 2019 09: 15
                  -1
                  A soldier was driven through the infection zone! Is this a test? Well, if in public, then yes, Trials. And this was my answer to the post of the all-knowing, which does not have information, but already scribbles its angry conclusions. And he said that in the USSR "they shot heads for something like that." Once again, for the “gifted” - equipment and the military were driven through the radiation contamination zone. Therefore, according to the situation in Severodvinsk, the ambition must be moderate and not invoked in the USSR.
        2. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 16 August 2019 00: 20
          +7
          to poison the water area from which fish goes to the table to the population .... there is no desire to say this to the Japanese about Fukushima, 8 years have passed and things are still there. merge radioactive ....... in the sea -Okeyan and all organizations
          as if on a drum
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    4. ioan-e
      ioan-e 15 August 2019 14: 06
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      Recently, our military has been giving a lot of joy to the United States ...
      Either Losharik, then, Petrel ... (supposedly)
      August ... Eat him! For some reason, all the misfortunes near him gather ...

      And peace is generally only in the cemetery, and only the one who does nothing is not mistaken! In the USSR, after the death of Mitrofan Nedelin and another 73 people in Baikonur during the explosion of the R-16 rocket, it was necessary to roll out the entire missile program? And let the mattresses continue to write nonsense, it is still for domestic consumption!
      1. Kunar
        Kunar 16 August 2019 07: 54
        0
        And let them rejoice)))) Not long left ...
    5. segamegament
      segamegament 15 August 2019 19: 00
      -10
      Yes, you are my friend dumbboy!
    6. smart ass
      smart ass 15 August 2019 23: 02
      -5
      For the first time in my life I agree with the Americans
    7. Civil
      Civil 16 August 2019 13: 27
      +1
      Well, you can write anything about missile tests)) no one will give information.
    8. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 16 August 2019 13: 39
      +4
      Americans have a universal joy towards Russians: "The worse for the Russians, the better for AMERICA" BUT they feel great joy when a message comes about the death of the damned Russians.
  2. loki565
    loki565 15 August 2019 09: 54
    +1
    Let's see what it will be a failure when the petrel flies to the author in the United States)))
  3. Nycomed
    Nycomed 15 August 2019 09: 54
    +2
    I suggest fans to make idiotic ratings topic: five "failed" projects of Russian and American weapons.
  4. Slavenin82
    Slavenin82 15 August 2019 09: 57
    +5
    Why did everyone decide it was a "petrel"? Was there an official statement? Did I miss something?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 15 August 2019 10: 24
      +5
      Quote: Slavenin82
      Why did everyone decide it was a "petrel"? Was there an official statement? Did I miss something?

      You have not forgotten their universal mantra for everything that concerns Russia?
    2. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 15 August 2019 11: 06
      0
      Yes, missed, there was a statement from US intelligence.
      1. Slavenin82
        Slavenin82 15 August 2019 12: 59
        +13
        laughing "American intelligence" I associate with "British scientists".
    3. bar
      bar 15 August 2019 12: 19
      +4
      Who needs it, he understood that. It was officially stated that there was an explosion of a liquid rocket with a radioisotope current source. That's just what for in a rocket such a source. In addition, during the explosion of a radioisotope source, radiation should be in the form of these isotopes, which, firstly, cannot immediately spread over large distances (although the jump in radiation was recorded immediately after the explosion), secondly, radiation cannot decrease as quickly due to a decent half-life.
    4. Sergey Krymsky
      Sergey Krymsky 15 August 2019 17: 45
      +2
      No, comrade, you did not miss anything. But it seems to me that most commentators have missed the last paragraph, which says that all foreign conclusions are essentially sucked out of something there.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 August 2019 10: 01
    +3
    Russia continues to be one of the leaders in the creation of advanced weapons in the world, but it also has "failed projects." The American edition of Business Insider writes about this.
    On the one hand, they connect the incompatible: Russia and the creation of advanced weapons in the world, because there is no economy, no money, and most importantly, there is no democracy. feel Yes, an article was written for this: but и she has "failed projects" because of this little bunch. They know how to equate Zumvolt with clothes for a hedgehog. feel
  6. Catfish
    Catfish 15 August 2019 10: 01
    0
    Do not slander ... bully
  7. Valerik1337
    Valerik1337 15 August 2019 10: 06
    -20
    In Russia, unlike the USA, everything is always done with high quality and there are no failed projects
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 15 August 2019 11: 07
      -4
      Valerik, where did you grow up and brought up?
    2. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 15 August 2019 19: 05
      +1
      Something ours and ROFAR fell silent. About four years ago they announced and in English disappeared ....
      1. Cotnik
        Cotnik 16 August 2019 16: 15
        0
        ... but why keep up with it, you’ll keep going quietly. Not in terms of speed, but in terms of silence during movement and its invisibility to outsiders.
  8. Prahlad
    Prahlad 15 August 2019 10: 07
    -1
    This makes me happy ! then we are on the right path. Recognized our silushka !!
  9. Sergeantpro
    Sergeantpro 15 August 2019 10: 12
    +4
    Quote: Slavenin82
    Why did everyone decide it was a "petrel"? Was there an official statement? Did I miss something?

    Well, they should at least say something. Here is the Avant-guard - since it flies, it means it was stolen from them. What exploded - we did ourselves. Although, if it were a Petrel, all the neighbors would scream.
  10. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 15 August 2019 10: 28
    0
    Let them think what they want, it’s easier for us.
    All projects under the stamp are classified.
    And cartoons, and so the whole world saw.
    Do their newspapers need to write something ????
    And this wow what an interesting topic !!!!!!
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 August 2019 10: 36
    +3
    With what ecstasy the American media report on "failed" Russian projects, which, in their opinion, simply must be such. What the RF Ministry of Defense actually replied
    complex "Uran-9", after being put into service, was modernized taking into account the comments ...
    At the same time, serious American media specializing in military subjects are more objectively approaching the Russian armed forces and equipment.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 15 August 2019 11: 09
      -1
      And our media writes with equal enthusiasm about failed projects in the USA, so this is a mutually beloved game.
  12. 1976AG
    1976AG 15 August 2019 10: 41
    +9
    A failed project, in my understanding, is one that, in principle, has no future. From this point of view, I would not consider the mentioned projects a failure. The fact that some samples need refinement is a normal phenomenon, even if the refinement is sometimes greatly delayed. The creation of new weapons is always a complex process and it is impossible to foresee everything. The same Tu-22 was born in agony and people died, but now we have a magnificent Tu-22M3 and its development continues. There are many other examples. You just need to learn from mistakes and continue to work. And our defense industry knows how to work!
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 15 August 2019 10: 49
    +5
    It would be necessary for Business Insider to write about the failures of American leaders from the military-industrial complex, and even better to put the costs of such inventions in the first line. nuclear carriers such as Gerald R. Ford.
  14. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 15 August 2019 10: 59
    0
    For Americans and "fans" there is a specially Russian proverb: rich in dummies !!! ))) and second - it is better to overestimate the enemy than to underestimate him !!! But everyone already understands that all these statements are not to inform about the realities, but to justify their miscalculations and mistakes.
  15. HAM
    HAM 15 August 2019 11: 08
    +1
    Rather, you need to act "by contradiction": if they praise something, think about it: "- is everything right?", If Hayat, therefore, they are afraid, and let it go ...
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 15 August 2019 11: 53
    +2
    Quote: Kasym
    In the USA, there are enough failures: Zumwault (ship - 22 billion), Comanche (helicopter - 8 billion), BAT (homing anti-tank element ate more than 2 billion), Krusader self-propelled gun (2 billion), FCS "tank of the future" (18 billion). Etc. hi

    + Boeing YAL-1 - how they shouted then that they’ll now be numb and will shoot down Russian missiles at the booster section
    F-117 after his Serbs shot down the ancient C-75 can be considered a failure
    B-2 Spirit, the effectiveness of the controversial TC. The price per unit is simply fantastic, hence the loss of each unit
    can be considered irreplaceable.
    and finally, all the Railguns that were going to be mounted on the same Zwolt wassat
  17. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 15 August 2019 12: 05
    +1
    The dog barks the caravan goes
  18. Cry
    Cry 15 August 2019 12: 22
    +3
    It is obvious that America is frightened by the "Petrel", therefore it is actively conducting reconnaissance on all fronts, including information, in order to find out something.
  19. Dagon
    Dagon 15 August 2019 12: 24
    -4
    Predator-style chameleon camouflage
    Our defense industry enterprises love and very often run ahead of the steam locomotive, as always they declare developed samples, which, at times, are not even on paper, because first of all, they are not interested in the RF Armed Forces, but in "green" papers for deliveries to a foreign customer, so they have to advertise ...
    1. panzerfaust
      panzerfaust 15 August 2019 12: 44
      -3
      The main thing is to "master" the money and promote yourself! How advanced we are!
  20. Meshchersky
    Meshchersky 15 August 2019 13: 38
    +1
    In the tone of the article "BI" one can clearly hear Krylov's words: "green grapes!"
  21. vmo
    vmo 15 August 2019 14: 39
    +3
    with Americans, if there is no such thing, they immediately tear their throats that the product is either bad or disastrous, but it’s just enviable to them, and even when they didn’t have the courage, they didn’t differ.
  22. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 15 August 2019 15: 04
    +3
    The purpose of these publications is to obtain at least some additional information about developments, especially about the "Petrel".
  23. yfast
    yfast 15 August 2019 15: 19
    -4
    Nuclear engines must be tested at the lunar or near Mars, if the war did not start.
  24. zed042
    zed042 15 August 2019 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Kasym
    The Americans will modify it in any case. Too many contracts and obligations to partners. Although I am not a supporter of single-engine cars. hi

    and the glider is so-so.
  25. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 15 August 2019 15: 23
    +2
    ... ... The article says that in four tests conducted from 2017 to February 2018, the rocket's nuclear engine "was never able to start."

    For some reason, he introduced himself as "Mikhalych with a shmorgalka", in a sweatshirt and a winter hat, with "ears." laughing
    They are injecting all kinds of rubbish into the layman ...
  26. Bookcase
    Bookcase 15 August 2019 16: 34
    -1
    Americans have many failed projects of their own. One F-35 will shut up in failure - all the failures of the world put together. :-) And who should decide about the insolvency of Uranov and Petrel, if very few people know about them.
  27. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 15 August 2019 16: 35
    -7
    Uranus 9 is bulky and poorly protected. Strengthening armor protection is required - in fact, a new chassis.

    Petrel is an initially unreasoned risky project - a "dirty" engine built according to an open circuit, which is problematic to control, emergency shutdown, dangerous to store and operate.
    People have already died, the territory has been infected, the water area has been poisoned (fishing in the White Sea is prohibited).
    Having said A, will they persist and bring in spite of any losses?
    UURS to your liver.
    1. Bookcase
      Bookcase 15 August 2019 16: 52
      +1
      Dirt is a necessary property of a weapon, which hypothetically can be used in a pinch. And to be precisely - a restraining factor for some who imagine themselves to be the navel of the earth. The petrel is a fairly correct solution and will allow you to buy time to create a more advanced and destructive weapon.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 15 August 2019 17: 00
        -5
        Quote: Librero
        Dirt is a necessary property of a weapon, which hypothetically can be used in a pinch. And to be precisely - a restraining factor for some who imagine themselves to be the navel of the earth. The petrel is a fairly correct solution and will allow you to buy time to create a more advanced and destructive weapon.


        So it’s not against the idea that nuclear waste would be dumped in your yard — and the country is money and you are not against it?
        For whom is a deterrent? Where is the threat? Where are hundreds of divisions on the border with the Russian Federation?
        Watch the zombie man for less - the total number of US divisions on the continent is not enough to scare Belarus, not that Russia or you have such a bad opinion about the Russian army?
        The fact that journalists on both sides of the system are scratching it should not be taken seriously.
        The threat is not worth the air time that is spent on it.
        Blah blah news is needed to frighten the population and explain the expenditure on weapons.
        1. Bookcase
          Bookcase 15 August 2019 17: 15
          -1
          I have lived in Germany for 30 years and being involved in politics, I am well aware of Western ideas about Russia. Believe me - you are very far from the truth! And historical facts are a vivid confirmation of this. How did you combine nuclear waste and Burevestnik?
          1. DimerVladimer
            DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 08: 42
            -4
            Quote: Librero
            Believe me - you are very far from the truth!


            I am well aware of Germany and the work of the media in Germany and of the policy of intimidation - we must separate the editorial policy to frighten the population and real military preparations.
            For Germany, the Russian Federation is a very significant market and official rhetoric that fundamentally diverges from real politics.
            1. Bookcase
              Bookcase 16 August 2019 10: 39
              0
              You think the wrong way. Now everything is happening differently. New liberals have a desire to make everything global. That is, to unite all countries into one managed whole. To do this, they need to remove the national feelings of people. Therefore, they Russia, like a bone in the throat. Also, they are haunted by the size of Russia, which in their opinion Russia does not deserve. Military preparations, of course, are not conducted only in Germany. It is divided over many territories and is almost not noticeable. But if you put everything together, then you would see that - this is all very serious. And by the way - why intimidate the population in your opinion? There is no editorial policy in the West for a long time !!! Forget this term. There are the usual manipulations of the concepts of the population. How do you know about the work of the German media? Did you work there? I work in these structures.
        2. svp67
          svp67 15 August 2019 17: 22
          +4
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          UURS to your liver.

          Have a nice one you too.
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          Where are hundreds of divisions on the border with the Russian Federation?

          Well hundreds, not hundreds, but tens can be deployed VERY quickly. HIGHLY. They have a deployment system; since the time of the NOTO-ATS confrontation, they have worked out well. But the Warsaw Treaty Organization has long existed, but NATO is only expanding, and even shifting its operational bases to our border. This alone is not very good for us.
          Quote: DimerVladimer
          the total number of US divisions on the continent is not enough to scare Belarus, not that Russia, or you have such a bad opinion about the Russian army?
          And the total number of divisions of the army of the Russian Federation is enough only to frighten countries such as Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and then if they leave NATO.
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 16 August 2019 17: 24
        0
        Quote: Librero
        Dirty - a necessary property of a weapon, which hypothetically can be used as a last resort

        That case when it’s more dangerous for itself than for the enemy. Poseidon won 5 pieces on the carrier, God forbid that it breaks ...
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    3. tinkle
      tinkle 15 August 2019 19: 17
      0
      No fishing ban
  28. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 15 August 2019 17: 23
    +5
    As for "Uranus" - let them show their more successful devices of this level. In addition, Improvements based on the results of BATTLE use always take time.
    In terms of camouflage, it may well turn out that they have not forgotten about it, but, on the contrary, classified it, as expected. A promising little thing, there is no need to "shine" it to the enemy.
    And according to "Petrel" - there is nothing to talk about. Neither they nor we have any data, except for a very narrow circle of specialists.
    So let them be silent in a rag. Although always, being in the opera, they begin to yell that the Russians have stolen their technology. And even in general the aliens. Look, hypersound, they say they have seamless laughing
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 15 August 2019 18: 50
      -2
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      As for "Uranus" - let them show their more successful devices of this level.

      they have. And it's not about comparison, but an article on Russian weapons.

      Quote: Stroibat stock
      In terms of camouflage, it may well turn out that they have not forgotten about it, but, on the contrary, classified it, as expected. A promising little thing, there is no need to "shine" it to the enemy.

      Well before that lighted up, since the secret? Somehow no logic is observed.
  29. K-50
    K-50 15 August 2019 18: 42
    -2
    On the third step of the podium of failed projects, the publication marked the Russian cruise missile with the Burevestnik nuclear installation, which the authors called the "national shame of Russia." The publication is convinced that the project was unsuccessful, as allegedly testified by Russia’s tests. The article says that in the four tests conducted from 2017 to February 2018, the rocket’s nuclear engine “couldn’t be launched."

    Are you de bills ??? belay
    Who will needlessly launch a nuclear engine !!!! fool In the atmosphere of the planet !!! Without the presence of hostilities !!! fool
    A nuclear engine substitute was launched, an analogue, so to speak, not spoiling the nature !!!
    Nuclear will be turned on when a nuclear strike is launched against you and not earlier !!!
    So wait and find. yes fellow lol
    Or you can catch it. what laughing
    1. Grigory_45
      Grigory_45 15 August 2019 18: 47
      -3
      by itself, and no one has tested nuclear weapons and never will. Why, because we spoil the environment, exploding nuclear warheads and bombs ((Of course, billions are swelling into something that may not even fly.
      Well thought before you write?
      1. K-50
        K-50 15 August 2019 18: 53
        0
        Quote: Gregory_45
        Well thought before you write?

        Are they experiencing now?
        At present, a moratorium on nuclear weapons tests, and what was before is history.
        So yes, I thought, but you are not. hi
        1. Grigory_45
          Grigory_45 15 August 2019 18: 59
          -3
          They tested nuclear weapons because at that time the weapons were new, constantly improved, new ideas were introduced (from the uranium cannon bomb to plutonium implosion. Since then, they haven’t come up with anything new.
          The moratorium has been in force since 1996.

          Nobody created a small-sized nuclear engine to work on an aircraft in terrestrial atmosphere, and even more so did not experience it. Therefore, you are extremely wrong. There is no idiot who will invest money in a bag with a cat. And the military, which will take on the supply do not understand that
  30. Old26
    Old26 15 August 2019 19: 13
    +2
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    And our media writes with equal enthusiasm about failed projects in the USA, so this is a mutually beloved game.

    You are absolutely right about that. These are our national games. With rapture to talk about failures of "sworn friends"
    In principle, it is not unusual for something to fail. Each country has a lot of such projects. But this edition touched upon painful topics. In fact, the "spectacular" announcement of the Uran-9 robotic complex came to naught. What is the reason is difficult to say. Perhaps the test in the proving grounds did not reveal any shortcomings, and in combat conditions the equipment could not work. And it is possible either fatal flaws, or it will be too expensive to fix. But the fact that nothing has been "heard" for half a year is true. I don’t know about the "chameleon", I have not heard, but the fact that nothing has been heard about the "Petrel" is for sure. Information about Avangard appears regularly. About "Peresvet" - also, about "Dagger" and even "Poseidon" - information happens. But about the "petrel" - to be honest, grave silence. But even if the publication is right and "Petrel" is a failed project, I see nothing wrong with that.
    1. brat07
      brat07 15 August 2019 21: 45
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      And our media writes with equal enthusiasm about failed projects in the USA, so this is a mutually beloved game.

      You are absolutely right about that. These are our national games. With rapture to talk about failures of "sworn friends"
      In principle, it is not unusual for something to fail. Each country has a lot of such projects. But this edition touched upon painful topics. In fact, the "spectacular" announcement of the Uran-9 robotic complex came to naught. What is the reason is difficult to say. Perhaps the test in the proving grounds did not reveal any shortcomings, and in combat conditions the equipment could not work. And it is possible either fatal flaws, or it will be too expensive to fix. But the fact that nothing has been "heard" for half a year is true. I don’t know about the "chameleon", I have not heard, but the fact that nothing has been heard about the "Petrel" is for sure. Information about Avangard appears regularly. About "Peresvet" - also, about "Dagger" and even "Poseidon" - information happens. But about the "petrel" - to be honest, grave silence. But even if the publication is right and "Petrel" is a failed project, I see nothing wrong with that.

      I apologize for the minus.
      I looked from the phone.
      Not "clicked there".
    2. Jalil Galiullin
      Jalil Galiullin 16 August 2019 20: 57
      0
      This project cannot be a failure even with 20 failures, an unlimited flight range, a nuclear power plant, this is all we know so far, but this is the future, today is a weapon, tomorrow there are stars, good luck to the guys.
  31. shinobi
    shinobi 16 August 2019 07: 05
    0
    Shave the adversaries, I must somehow be complacent. Typically, not everything is working out. wassat
  32. lukewarm
    lukewarm 16 August 2019 09: 14
    -1
    Everyone has failed projects. There were and will be. Take the same Tu-22 (awl, not emki, although reviews about them are so-so). I don’t know about the States, but I think there’s enough. The same invisible destroyer, you can't understand what it looks like. The F-35 is also unclear what to attribute. Probably a failure technically, but a victory in marketing. They vparivayut and say flies, and say "victorious." We have, of course, expected to fail. For so many years, science and defense industry have been in the corral, now "suddenly flooded." Apparently, they began to get fantasies out of the canvas, and whoever does not want to make money on defense orders (with the rest, it’s very bad, I’m working, I see). You just need less show-off and loud statements about "lacking analogs in the world." Then they will laugh less at you. I would like to hope that all these incomprehensible projects at least a "chameleon" are not a banal cut, but a smokescreen designed to divert attention from really worthwhile developments. True, all hopes have been dying lately.
  33. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 16 August 2019 09: 37
    +1
    Abidna? SGA is so abusive. Well, at least pump up on the porch of Russia.
    Such dashing Americans in shorts to their knees walking on the beach ...
    And their women: "And me - too!"
    So about the weapon.
    American weapons - in knickers!
  34. Forest
    Forest 16 August 2019 10: 14
    0
    Since the enemy thinks that this is bad, it simply means that he has fallen behind and begins to "live", the rest is all demagogy.
  35. bar
    bar 16 August 2019 10: 56
    0
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Its appointment is unnecessary and vague, ”the military expert said.

    The general has lived a lot, seen a lot, he has his own opinion. At the moment, this is possible. But the petrel is not yet in service. And the technique must go forward, having a reserve of operating time, so as not to be catching up. With our "economy" it is impossible to catch up, they will trample. This already has someone to do and except for striped ones.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 11: 05
      0
      Quote: bar
      The general lived a lot, saw a lot, he has his own opinion.


      This is not just a general - this is the former head of the 4th Central Research Institute of the Russian Ministry of Defense. This is an expert expert on missile weapons, if anything, for the layman.
      1. bar
        bar 16 August 2019 11: 09
        +1
        Quote: DimerVladimer
        then expert experts on missile weapons, if anything, for the layman.

        In addition to technology, there is politics. There are experts. And apparently not bad.
  36. bar
    bar 16 August 2019 10: 59
    0
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Quote: bar
    Although the dead of course sorry ...


    Families of the dead will not return them

    But someone should not be at the forefront. The trouble is if everyone sits on safe sofas
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 16 August 2019 11: 21
      -1
      Quote: bar
      But someone should not be at the forefront. The trouble is if everyone sits on safe sofas


      Brad.
      If people die during the trials - so trials are organized so obscenely - the place was chosen incorrectly, safety was not provided, and the probability of emergencies was not taken into account (assessment of the potential threat).

      With a possible threat assessment, especially with explosive objects, and even more so with nuclear sources, measures should be taken to remove personnel to a safe distance, for duty personnel and direct participants - shelters of the corresponding hazard class.

      In this test, gross safety principles were violated:
      1. An explosive facility with a nuclear source was unacceptably close to civilian objects, the wind rose on the test day did not correspond to the safe direction of potential emissions.
      2. The staff was not provided with reliable shelter, or the test manager did not provide shelter for the personnel, was not convinced of the time range necessary to ensure the safety of the test object, automatic fire extinguishing systems, underestimated the danger of the test object.

      All these are signs of incompetence = official crime of the test director and the head of the training ground (he should have submitted a report on the impossibility of the training ground to ensure safety during testing at a specific training ground, nuclear power source or remote control).

      For such things in the USSR, they just flew from their posts!
  37. bar
    bar 16 August 2019 11: 22
    0
    [quote = DimerVladimer]
    So it’s not against what would be dumped nuclear waste into your yard - and the country is money and you do not mind? [/ Quote]
    I am opposed to having nuclear waste from a potential adversary dump in my yard.

    [/ quote] For whom is a deterrent? Where is the threat? Where are hundreds of divisions on the border with the Russian Federation? [/ Quote]
    For example, they move from Germany closer to us, to Poland.
    [/ quote] Less watch zombies - the total number of US divisions on the continent is not enough to scare Belarus, not that Russia or you have such a bad opinion about the Russian army? [/ quote]
    Thanks for the advice. But, if you are not in the know, modern wars are no longer waged by the number and number of divisions.
  38. bar
    bar 16 August 2019 11: 30
    0
    Quote: DimerVladimer

    Brad.
    If people die during the trials - so trials are organized so obscenely - the place was chosen incorrectly, safety was not provided, and the probability of emergencies was not taken into account (assessment of the potential threat).

    That is nonsense, if not stupidity. Testing is therefore a test, and not an OTC, because unknown factors can come out. When testing weapons, these factors can be destructive. It happens, and, unfortunately, there’s no getting around it. And of course I feel sorry for people.
  39. alexnmv5
    alexnmv5 16 August 2019 12: 00
    0
    Everything is possible, but the price of failures of our military industrial complex and the American is clearly not comparable.
  40. alexnmv5
    alexnmv5 16 August 2019 12: 00
    0
    Everything is possible, but the price of failures of our military industrial complex and the American is clearly not comparable.
  41. Old26
    Old26 16 August 2019 12: 51
    +1
    Quote: DimerVladimer
    Before minus - get acquainted with the opinion of professionals:
    The general called the nuclear "Petrel" unsafe:

    What for? What is the opinion of the former head of the Quartet to them?

    Quote: DimerVladimer
    “In my estimation, such a missile is not needed functionally. And from the point of view of security, it does not meet the necessary requirements. Its appointment is unnecessary and vague, ”the military expert said.

    I agree with this statement 100%. The functionality of such a rocket is unclear. You can understand the functionality of the Vanguard, Peresvet, Dagger, Poseidon, in the end, but why this rocket is needed is not clear. Or are they going to use it after both sides discharge their nuclear arsenals into each other? The point is in a rocket that can fly for a day or a week, but at the same time is subsonic. It does not have the AI ​​to make decisions that are fundamentally different from the tasks laid down in the PP.
    We always like to talk. And the same "petrel" was brought to the top of the pyramid by the same media, making it a kind of "wunderwaffe". As they flapped from the TV screens - she can bypass the air defense-missile defense zones. Yes, if they are included in the PP - it can. But these air defense or missile defense zones can be mobile (including on ships). And then what? And such questions are very, very inconvenient for a certain circle.

    Quote: brat07
    I apologize for the minus.
    I looked from the phone.
    Not "clicked there".

    Do not apologize. Nothing wrong. To be honest, I am absolutely indifferent to all these "pluses" - "minuses". What interests me most is the dialogue with the person writing this or that post. Well, the "cons". Here in the topic for Venezuela they pushed me cons for what I said that the anti-missile defense system in Venezuela is unnecessary. Those who put a minus did not even take the trouble to look at where the trajectories of the American missiles would be, where the trajectories of Russian interceptor missiles were in Venezuela. The main thing for them is the Russian missile defense base in Venezuela. This is their blue dream. So the "minus" sometimes means that a person, apart from jingoistic patriotic texts, is not even able to think ...
  42. Morgan
    Morgan 16 August 2019 14: 20
    0
    "a cruise missile with a nuclear installation" Burevestnik "" - they probably did not watch the cartoon. We must show them!
  43. grumbler
    grumbler 16 August 2019 15: 23
    0
    What to be surprised at? - the "cold war" is in full swing, from both sides loudly shouting about each other's failures.
    Nearby is an article about Zunwalt "" To be honest, it didn't quite work out: the US Navy is returning to traditional corps "- why not a candidate for failed projects? And how many times both we and them exploded, broke and failed before they flew. I read in fits and starts the immense memoirs of B.E. Chertoka "Rockets and People"
    (It is a pity that there are no translations of similar American reviews. You can learn something only from articles and books like: A. Pervushin "Battle for the Moon", I. Afanasyev, D. Vorontsov "We are the first"!).

    After the 20-year crisis, we again have "accelerated rates", as in the 50-60s.
    So it turns out - either "presumably Losharik", then "presumably Petrel". All this is understandable.
    But I would very much like to have fewer victims. In addition to factors that cannot be avoided ("explosive" topics; mastering new technologies; restoring lost competencies; lowering the general level of technological culture due to de-industrialization of the 90s; declining education and discipline), things that can be controlled affect: Haste is the main enemy! And this is our eternal "maybe" (Does the relay not work? - and we will climb under the remote control and press the anchor with our finger, kick in the ass with a boot. Liquid oxygen flowing? - it doesn’t matter, we will urinate on the cap and freeze to the leak. From Chertok). Or take the lunar program, the Americans pre-laid down for bench tests (long and expensive), and ours saved, hurried. The American systematic approach to the "process-product" won (despite the fact that they had enough jambs).

    Ie prototype manufacturing and bench testing. Tightening technological discipline and safety.

    People at landfills often work in emergency mode, in severe climatic conditions - stress, fatigue, scattering attention.
    Developers in cozy design bureaus / research institutes could take more care to make it easier for testers / implementers:
    - Design sharpened for testing-implementation-debugging. A greater degree of modularity than in a serial sample;
    - Developed tools for testers / implementers (tools for configuring, diagnosing and collecting telemetry on a "live" system).
    - The use of special techniques in the manufacture of prototypes (to incorporate temperature, voltage, vibration sensors directly into the chassis / housing elements, components and circuit boards of devices.
    Paint the prototype with heat-sensitive paint for a standard place, glue it with thermal beacons - we will immediately see the places of overheating. And so forth).
    - Protection and blocking. Unambiguous pairing of components. Like the sensor that was adopted upside down - this is a jamb in the first place of the designer, not the collector.
    Such critical components should not be mechanically installed "upside down". If this crap were the simplest key (see octal radio tubes), there would be no problem.
    This should be explicitly stated in MIL-SPEC.
    - Special documentation for testers / implementers (up-to-date, written in human language, indicating the limit modes and all the subtleties and fears of developers);
    - Programs and Test Methods should include safety as an essential condition, and not a "duty" formality.

    From my own experience, in communicating with colleagues of different generations and in publications, I know that not enough attention is paid to this. There is work to do.

    PS By the way, here is a colorful description of the everyday life of civilian test engineers on Habré:
    "How we made BelAZ. Part 1 - Iron" (https://habr.com/ru/company/npf_vektor/blog/416945/),
    "How we made BelAZ. Part 2 - Laboratory tests" (https://habr.com/ru/company/npf_vektor/blog/416963/),
    "How we did BelAZ. Part 3 - Commissioning at the open pit" (https://habr.com/ru/company/npf_vektor/blog/416967/).
    This is certainly not a "petrel", but if it closes ...;)
  44. tank64rus
    tank64rus 17 August 2019 09: 47
    0
    BMO weapons reconnaissance and fire system
    Patent No. 2658517 The model was demonstrated at the 2018 Army. BMOP with operators of two Uranium-9 central control center and UAV. Everything is fine, but Amers need to go to exhibitions.