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American special forces lose their moral character

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In the past few years, American media and society have often debated cases that relate to the moral character of American commandos and the crimes they commit. Special forces are accused of using and transporting drugs, violence against civilians, violations of discipline and charter. High-ranking generals also talk about discipline and crime problems. The situation got to the point where General Richard Clark, commander of the US Special Operations Forces, ordered a check on the moral character of the military units entrusted to him. This was written by the official newspaper of the US Department of Defense, Stars and Stripes.




According to the general, the latter news question the cultural and moral values ​​of special forces soldiers and may cause a loss of public confidence. The loss of confidence in their defenders by ordinary Americans is unacceptable, says Richard Douglas Clark. That is why in the near future the high command will visit parts of the special forces. According to the newspaper Stars and Stripes, the check in units should be completed by November 2019.

Resonance incidents with American special forces


The greatest resonance in the American press was caused by the news that appeared at the end of July 2019 of the year. The American command was forced to take a very rare step. A whole platoon of the elite division of the Fur Seals was sent ahead of time home from Iraq. The reason was the deterioration of order and discipline in the unit in their spare time from completing tasks. According to CNN, the command has lost confidence in the ability of the team to carry out combat missions. As a result, the platoon of special forces prematurely went back to San Diego. As noted in the US Department of Defense, this decision is due to the fact that seals in their free time abused alcohol, and fighters are also accused of sexual violence. At the same time, the Special Operations Command emphasizes that there is no evidence that special forces used drugs or used alcohol during combat missions. Currently, this fact is being verified.

This news in the United States overlapped with another high-profile case with the military, in which 19 people were immediately involved. The day after the withdrawal of elite special forces soldiers from Iraq, 18 Marine Corps fighters and one sailor were arrested at Camp Pendleton, California. According to CNN, the detained servicemen are accused of various crimes - from smuggling people (transporting illegal migrants in order to gain profit) to drug cases. Another eight marines were questioned about possible involvement in drug offenses unrelated to the arrests.


Eddie gallagher


Just a few days before the news, a court in the United States acquitted officer Eddie Gallagher, the commander of one of the seals units. The jury acquitted the defendant, who was accused of murder and attempted murder. Eddie Gallagher was accused of killing a wounded captured ISIS militant (a banned terrorist organization in Russia) with a knife and was also accused of shooting civilians in Iraq. At the same time, Gallagher was found guilty of one episode, he posed in a photograph with a killed captive militant. For this, the officer was sentenced to 4 months of imprisonment, but he will not serve his sentence, since he spent already 9 months in prison. An additional punishment for Gallagher was the fact that the jury urged to lower the officer in the rank, as well as reduce the amount of pension benefits.

Another high-profile case involving Seals was the killing in 2017 in Mali of US Army Staff Sergeant Logan Melgar, who is the Green Beret (Special Forces of the Ground Forces). The murder occurred in the capital of Mali Bamako. Four people are accused of committing a crime: two fur seals and two marines. All of them, including the victim of the crime, provided security for the American embassy in Mali. All four defendants in the case were charged with manslaughter, conspiracy and attempt to conceal the traces of the crime, hazing and burglary.

Other incidents involving US special forces over the past few years and which have been reported in the media include cocaine use, numerous instances of sexual aggression and rape, and drug trafficking on military transport aircraft. Commenting on the frequent news, which featured fighters of elite American special forces, Rear Admiral Colleen Green noted: “I don’t know yet whether we have problems with moral character and culture, but I know that we have problems with discipline and order, which must be addressed immediately. "


Fur seals are taught to swim with their hands and feet tied.


What is happening with the American special forces?


At present, the Special Operations Command, which manages all special forces units of all types of the US Armed Forces, consists of 72 thousands of people, including 6,7 thousands of civil servants. Although most of the US special forces behave appropriately, high-profile scandals and criminal cases attract huge attention from society and undermine the confidence of the people in elite special forces, which American generals consider a serious problem.

In addition to various crimes, American commandos faced another serious problem - the growth of suicides. In February 2019, CNN published material stating that over the year, the number of suicides among US special forces units tripled from 8 cases in 2017 to 22 cases in 2018. This may be evidence of an emerging psychological health crisis among special forces soldiers. These figures do not take into account suicide data among fighters who have already completed their military service. At the same time, only in Montana, up to 20 percent of all suicides occur in the retired military. Most often, these are citizens who are not financially needing anything with a good social package and a pension from the state.

At the same time, quite serious requirements are made to candidates for Navy SEALs in the USA. Only male males from the US Navy under the age of 28 can become fighters of this elite special forces unit. IQ selected for the service must be at least 104 points. According to statistics, only on the intelligence test sifted out to 30 percent of candidates of rank and file and sergeant and up to 20 percent of officers. In addition to high mental abilities, candidates for Navy Seals should not have any penalties for service during the year. They are also checked by a serious medical board. Serious requirements are also imposed on the physical preparation of candidates: to perform 50 squats in two minutes, to push out in the support lying 42 times in two minutes, to swim 450 meters in 12,5 minutes, to pull up on the bar at least 8 times and run 2400 meters in 11,5 minutes or faster. In conclusion, all candidates must pass psychological tests, one of the selection criteria, among other things, is the presence of a “positive mentality”.



The selection of candidates is quite serious, random people simply can’t be in the special forces, where then is there such a large amount of negative news that directly relates to special forces soldiers? The reason for the increase in cases of drug use, the commission of various crimes and suicides, experts call a set of reasons, the main violin in which is played by the general overstrain of the soldiers.

Currently, US special operations forces are present in half of the 54 African states. Another area where American special forces are active is the Middle East. All these points on the world map can hardly be called calm places. The problem is that the American army is constantly waging war of varying degrees of intensity, today the American army is the most warring on the planet. Journalists counted 133 countries of the world in which the soldiers of the American special forces are involved, this is more than 70 percent of all states on the planet.

Some American generals believe that special forces have long been unable to maintain the intensity of operations that is observed today. Soldiers of special operations forces have been worn out by decades of ongoing wars, which ultimately leads to a drop in moral standards of behavior and an increase in the number of suicides. At the same time, experiencing a certain personnel shortage, the Pentagon is developing incentive programs for special forces soldiers and slightly lowering the selection bar, which ultimately leads to a decrease in the quality of personnel with all the ensuing problems.

Exhausting military operations, in which servicemen constantly face the death of not only enemies and their comrades, but also civilians, whom they, according to the generally accepted theory, are called upon to liberate and protect from unwanted regimes, play a huge role (especially in the suicides of commandos). American army is fighting aviation and artillery: no matter how high-precision such strikes are, they always lead to the deaths of civilians, no matter how the military tries to minimize such incidents. All this does not lead to the improvement of the mental health of servicemen who take pictures with the bodies of the killed, use alcohol and drugs, commit sexual crimes, and, returning home, cannot get rid of the accumulated stress, depression, which in some cases leads to tragic consequences for themselves. and their loved ones.
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  1. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 16 August 2019 05: 50
    +2
    All this does not lead to the strengthening of the mental health of servicemen who take pictures with the bodies of the killed, use alcohol and drugs, commit sexual crimes, and, returning home, cannot get rid of the accumulated stress and depression, which in some cases leads to tragic consequences for themselves. and their loved ones.

    I did two searches:

    and one more:

    You can even compare by photographs what and whose military are doing in reality, and which "Russians" are returned by the search instead of the answer - nothing was found for your request ...
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      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh 16 August 2019 09: 16
        +7
        Kolya from Urengoy, is that you?
      2. Ehanatone
        Ehanatone 16 August 2019 16: 30
        0
        "Yes. Just filter out the pictures from fakes, there are about half of them with the Germans."
        Urengoy trolls have come
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 16 August 2019 09: 47
      +4
      For greater objectivity, write both queries in English and not in Russian Yandex, but in Google (and preferably in the American / European version of Google). And then compare the query results.
    3. Proctologist
      Proctologist 16 August 2019 12: 32
      0
      He who seeks shall find! If you search not by Yandex, but by Google, and even in English, the pictures are different:


      The point is the server settings, not the evidence.
    4. English tarantas
      English tarantas 17 August 2019 14: 53
      -1
      Minus you, change the IP address to some Ukrainian or Baltic one, go to Google search engine and change the form of the second request to something related to "military". I'm sure you can find what you need.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 August 2019 06: 00
    +2
    Simply, they psychologically broke easily! From this begins the physical collapse of the special forces soldier as an individual, and, the end of such a collapse is the end of the former special forces soldier. So, there will be more and more such cases in the United States Army, for those who are supposed to be responsible for the combat readiness of the personnel simply do not pay attention to the problem of psychology and the arising contradictions of morality and orders from above.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r 16 August 2019 10: 36
      +2
      In short, they just don’t know what they’re fighting for, just for the money. After the Second World War, we didn’t have so many broken, although the war was total, just the main part fought for the Motherland, for the right to live and work peacefully and aspired to it! To stop the war and live peacefully and working, having achieved this, our veterans enjoyed a peaceful life and did not want to see and repeat the atrocities of the war.
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 45
        +2
        Do not simplify, oh do not simplify. They know what they are fighting for. Moreover, they get their money under the contract and everything that is due. Even with ideology, they are all right. They teach children from an early age at school to understand how and what works, that you need to love your homeland and other important things. And in the army this is even more fixed. By the way, now an application for an infantry sniper in Iraq. 500 dollars a day salary, paid once a week.
        And the fact that their ideals or their actions do not like you or me or someone else so this is our business. Because it is a normal capitalist relationship, a normal capitalist army. And yes, it works that way.
        But they break down a bit not for this. It’s like he spent time in jail, pah pah pah, the whole way of life is already changing and it’s hard for many to integrate into a normal life, some of the skills are simply forgotten and die off, and the look at familiar things changes. So it is with them. For this reason, the former military are often grouped together in civilian life. Somewhere in peaceful professions, and somewhere in the guard, workshops, and even crime.
        1. neri73-r
          neri73-r 16 August 2019 20: 55
          0
          Yes, they certainly know. Mostly money. I'm talking about values ​​that prevent a person from losing their minds when they see and participate in the horrors of war. I wrote sketchy. It seems a long time ago, here on the resource a whole large article was about this. One thing you are fighting for your family, people and your homeland, so that they survive and live normally and you achieve this at all costs, after that you will not rob, kill, rape, shoot fellow citizens, you will enjoy this peaceful life, you are FOR THIS fought and achieved. You will not waste your life and time on another. It’s completely different to fight for MONEY, and money tends to end. These are completely different values, so they completely tear off the roof.
    2. Chaldon48
      Chaldon48 6 October 2019 09: 31
      0
      For the ruling elite of the United States, any soldier is a bargaining chip. But the special forces are pushing far short of the reason that they are nevertheless better able to navigate in a combat situation, which means they die less, which means that such an annoying factor as coffins with the bodies of American soldiers is minimized, for the ruling elite this only matters.
  3. Graz
    Graz 16 August 2019 06: 10
    -3
    in my opinion the institute of commissioners should be introduced, well, or political officers
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 16 August 2019 11: 37
      0
      Their brain rights are worse than the politicians will be. Only their mantras are painfully base.
  4. SERGEY SERGEEVICS
    SERGEY SERGEEVICS 16 August 2019 06: 26
    -4
    Striatov’s special forces, and even a simple soldier, moral character, such has never been. It is enough to look at what they did with the civilian population in the war. Previously, it was at least somehow punishable for them (if a person crossed all the lines, they could have planted them) and they couldn’t put it all on public display, they hid it.
  5. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 August 2019 07: 07
    +2
    Damn, I’m sorry I don’t know how to swim, and at least now in the American special forces, though I'm already a little old laughing
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 16 August 2019 15: 30
      0
      When I read to my son (17 years old) a list of physical. requirements for "seals" he immediately replied - some kind of children's special forces, I can better
      1. Red_Baron
        Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 02
        0
        Uh, well, absolutely not necessary either. And they are not children and the physical form is very good. And the fact that you read it is a minimum. Why did you decide that they can no longer.
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak 16 August 2019 16: 07
          +1
          This minimum is for an ordinary soldier of the USSR army (well, maybe with the exception of swimming). Well, not like not for special forces
          1. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 09
            0
            Well, okay, they’re weaklings, they can’t do anything, and they don’t have any physical form at all, and special forces in general fie. The main thing is that everyone would sleep peacefully. :)
            1. vvvjak
              vvvjak 16 August 2019 16: 34
              +1
              Your irony is somehow out of place. From memory, I was pulled up 12 times in the army, 10 - sub-coups, 100 push-ups (this is on KMB). If swimming, then the son swims 50 m in 23 s. Swim 450 m in 12 minutes trifling (though he was engaged in water polo for about 4 years).
              1. Red_Baron
                Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 39
                +4
                My irony is just right. I am more than confident that the training of the American military is in no way inferior to ours. As well as vice versa. on this mockery on this occasion and reasoning in the spirit of "Americans well tuuuupyya" seems to me not consistent. To reach nationalism is also not worth it. Don't like Americans? your every right. But these people went to the Yukon en masse and in terms of survival there they could give a head start to the local peoples and the land was taken from the Indians, and they also colonized almost the Tehasa deserts. Taking it away from the Mexicans along the way. And they fought for their country with Britain and among themselves. So all these stories like oh yes they didn’t fight, they couldn’t, they don’t know how, and generally leave the pampered one.
                And I didn’t infringe on your physical capabilities, just like your son. On the contrary, only happy for you.
                1. vvvjak
                  vvvjak 16 August 2019 16: 53
                  0
                  And here Americans like or dislike Great Russian chauvinism or something else. I just commented that the requirements for selection for special forces described in this particular article are very low - at the level of an ordinary SA fighter. I served in the army of the Republic of Belarus and our physical training requirements for admission to special forces were several orders of magnitude higher. And here you have already rolled up a whole theory.
                  1. Red_Baron
                    Red_Baron 16 August 2019 17: 14
                    0
                    So I initially said simply that the minimum requirements are minimal, and do not mean that they are weaker, I don’t see what I'm wrong about.
                    ---
                    Moreover, measuring this way is not correct at all. I read something about the special forces, I don’t remember which one, the requirements are not very high, but as the author writes, so much is eliminated in the first week, so much in the second and so on. And by the way, often physical conditions are not to blame.
                    1. vvvjak
                      vvvjak 16 August 2019 17: 20
                      +1
                      And I write that their mine requirements for special forces are at the level of mine requirements of our ordinary fighter (8 sipping is 3). So what am I wrong about?
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                  1. Red_Baron
                    Red_Baron 17 August 2019 18: 31
                    0
                    You know, I have long understood that fermented or whatever patriots are much better than Russophobes and other haters of my country. I argued with such a lot on the pages of VO. When people cannot even explain simple things, but they are sure that Russian means bad, officials steal everything, the leadership does not understand anything and in general everything is about to fall apart. And only the next leader of the opposition knows how to or personally the author of the lines.
                    This thing, I’ll tell you, is stronger than Faust.
      2. yehat
        yehat 16 August 2019 16: 27
        +3
        fur seals are actually more head than physically trained
        these are usually top-class infiltration masters. the overwhelming majority learn at least 1 additional language out of the theater of operations assumed for action. Mastering transport, many of them can fly a helicopter or an airplane.
        As far as I know, narrow specialists are often trained - a sapper, engineer, signalman, pure action movie (weapons specialist), etc. As fighters, they have much lower standards than our alpha. For physical training they seem to have other groups, pure fighters.
        I saw a report from one part - it seems that they are wrung out and run in 24x7 mode
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 34
          0
          I won’t say anything for everyone, just here in a dispute I looked through applications for military professions, then I read the recruiting sites and their military.
          In addition to some general disciplines, their education is divided into various training systems. For example, for Snipers - priorities for choosing a target and something else.
          And then when hiring somewhere there, the requirements indicate that the applicant must complete such and such disciplines.
          In physics, something similar. Some general courses for more specific conditions and the like. But this is all purely that I read how it looks there I do not know.
  6. Vitaly Tsymbal
    Vitaly Tsymbal 16 August 2019 07: 20
    +7
    After the retirement of the best American special forces, Stallone, Schwarzenegger and others, the American special forces are not the same))) What are they only thinking in Hollywood? )))
  7. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 16 August 2019 07: 31
    +2
    According to the general, the latest news casts doubt on the cultural and moral values ​​of fighters of special units and may cause a loss of public confidence.

    Let Vietnam be remembered. What were these notorious "Green Berets" doing there?
    This is called continuity of generations!
  8. Amateur
    Amateur 16 August 2019 07: 41
    +2
    And what do we care about the moral character of American commandos?
    Any other questions for discussion left? what
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 16 August 2019 09: 13
      +5
      Well, not your own to discuss.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 16 August 2019 09: 23
        -1
        Why bother discussing someone's moral character. Discussion of the "Moral Code of the Builder of Communism" ended with Gorbachev / Ligachev's anti-alcohol campaign. And it, in turn, ended together with the USSR. So let's better discuss Tank Biathlon.
        1. Alexander Trebuntsev
          Alexander Trebuntsev 16 August 2019 09: 39
          +3
          Well, when it turned out what shit appeared in our famous special forces, we immediately took up the pin @ wasps. At the same time, on several television channels, they began to recall the great deeds of our special forces. Obviously, to obscure the fact that everything is rotting there too.
          1. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 05
            -2
            It’s not obvious to you only that these people really did great things and masters of their craft. And as soon as something happened you and people like you immediately ran all ... ohm to smear. It is a herd when they yesterday closed their children to honor them and tomorrow they all forgot. And those who gave their lives too. herd.
    2. creak
      creak 16 August 2019 10: 38
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      And what do we care about the moral character of American commandos?
      Any other questions for discussion left? what

      Well, why, is there a proven option - the degradation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the moral decay of personnel ..
      And discussing your problems is unpatriotic and can cause condemnation "for an unenthusiastic way of thinking" ...
      It is much more pleasant to kick a probable opponent and to entertain yourself with thoughts that a little more can be taken with your bare hands ....
      And what price professional optimists had to pay for such illusions more than once prefer not to hesitate.
    3. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 16 August 2019 14: 13
      +1
      And why do you decide what to discuss and what not? Fig yourself censorship.
      Announce then the entire list for discussion at VO. Well, that would not anger you.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 16 August 2019 07: 57
    +3
    About the ordinary strain, that all who wage unrighteous wars are criminals and this is like a stigma for life !!! You can talk, but it's so difficult, because in fact it is, only no one can avoid it !!! Because politicians / bosses all over the world can think differently and teams give according to their ideas about righteousness !!! and often they are guided only by their Wishlist, which are not related to righteousness NEVER and NEVER !!!
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 August 2019 10: 41
      +5
      not so simple. take an ordinary American who loves the country and wants to protect it.
      His bosses say to him - these barmalei are threatening your country.
      and for this guy the war against the barmalei becomes fair.
      Morality is such an ambiguous thing ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 16 August 2019 11: 15
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        Morality is such an ambiguous thing ...

        Swam, we know .....
        it’s now easy to reason \ choose who was right and who was not!
        And then there was an ORDER! MOTHERLAND ordered, the soldier complied with the order .... and we have to live with it, then.
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 16 August 2019 14: 11
          +1
          And this is a soldier.
          The question here is not righteousness at all. And not moralizing or right-wrong orders.
          Everything works much dumber, more primitive and simpler. It works like this everywhere and will be the only way, and it is now only possible that way.
          A soldier - part of a large army, together with his unit performs a specific task in the framework of common actions. All.
          And everything should be aimed at ensuring that this whole mechanism works. Armament, training and so on. But the main thing is ideology. You must love your country, understand the goals and objectives of the state, be aware of how and why you will have to do, what difficulties may arise. All this should be formulated and hollowed into any head, even the wooden one. It’s there in civilian life, you can work at a factory, or you can get together and talk in expensive cafes - oh fu, live like that. Or go on a hunger strike and feel free to eat in the same cafes. Responsibility is different, conditions are different.
          ---
          Now about the topic. What has changed? Always in the US special forces there were publicly-unwritten conditions. Heavy service and enchanting relaxation. I could not find another word. This is still the devil from what times. Even more unbelted? Generally not sure. It just became more opportunities to fix, make public, and so on. And so it was always full of cases, including the most monstrous.
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 16 August 2019 20: 20
        0
        "these barmaley men threaten your country.
        and for this guy, the war against the Barmaley becomes just. "

        Yes, but looting and raping the local civilian population is not necessary, agree?
        1. Red_Baron
          Red_Baron 16 August 2019 21: 27
          0
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Yes, but looting and raping the local civilian population is not necessary, agree?

          You know, I would say that too. But on the other hand, remember the Second World War and the Germans. Remember the United States in 2008, when they confused Georgia and Georgia and demanded that the Russians get out of it.
          I read one small book, this is a slightly adapted diary of a young guy a German pilot in World War II. And the propaganda really worked. When a captured Englishman was with them, he was surprised to find that he was the same as they thought and was fighting about the same. How in his head he thought up what they are better as warriors. Although much has dissipated over time. I am more than sure - those who loot and rape about the same in my head, but not only.
          The greatest rapture is power over people. Even just a brawler who keeps his surroundings in suspense. And when some rich person feels a taste of violence. On this very many things are built in our world, in different forms.
          And imagine. A man who really understands that before him are lower people. And who understands their own impunity and power over them, and absolute power right up to life.
          And now my little IMHO. that is, fiction is possible. It seems to me that they are kept like that on purpose. So that even at the rumor that the American commandos were coming to them, they all made concessions and were afraid of them more than anything else. This is a principle like from Sun Tzu.
  10. Draf-d
    Draf-d 16 August 2019 08: 07
    -2
    The fewer of them, the better for us. Let everyone shoot at least.
  11. Gray brother
    Gray brother 16 August 2019 09: 10
    -6
    Specifically, the "seals" traditionally recruit the dumbest, because most of them will have to spend most of their time sitting in the iron box of the ship.
    The worse a person thinks, the later the lid from a monotonous life will move away from him.
    1. yehat
      yehat 16 August 2019 10: 39
      +1
      rather the opposite. an intelligent person will find something to do in the "iron box".
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 16 August 2019 14: 27
        0
        Quote: yehat
        rather the opposite. an intelligent person will find something to do in the "iron box".

        Everyone will find what to do with themselves, but only the classes will be different)))
        1. yehat
          yehat 16 August 2019 14: 32
          0
          America Goldatten soldier
          1. Red_Baron
            Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 01
            -1
            And it seems to me no morality is needed. Whatever the child entertains, it’s better than boredom will do what sabotage.
            For example, we sent dandelions to collect at the time, so that everyone would be in business :)
  12. Name Surname
    Name Surname 16 August 2019 09: 34
    +11
    And nothing happens with our Alpha? - robbery, raiding, several were arrested recently
  13. yehat
    yehat 16 August 2019 10: 38
    0
    sea ​​tattered cats
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 16 August 2019 11: 16
    +3
    I don’t understand what is at stake. Is a country a criminal mowing down the population of objectionable countries with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, depriving these countries of sovereignty and taking out stolen resources from them, taking care of the moral character of the soldiers who are ordered to do all this without fear and reproach?
  15. Blue fox
    Blue fox 16 August 2019 12: 32
    +1
    Quote: Berkut24
    I don’t understand what is at stake. Is a country a criminal mowing down the population of objectionable countries with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, depriving these countries of sovereignty and taking out stolen resources from them, taking care of the moral character of the soldiers who are ordered to do all this without fear and reproach?

    Rather, they care, colleague, that all these veterans, especially trained ones, returning home to the states are an increased danger. For example, after the start of the so-called Second War in Iraq and the invasion of Afghanistan, when the criteria for recruiting were lowered, quite a few members of the gangs and other things got into the army, and nowadays the California State Department of Police (in which, by the way, Los Angeles ) records an increase in the number of war veterans-active gang members, which resulted in a sharp jump in the number of killings, including trained police officers in shootings.
  16. yehat
    yehat 16 August 2019 14: 35
    +1
    Quote: Red_Baron
    Heavy service and enchanting relaxation. I could not find another word.

    it’s worth adding more boredom - from it the American soldiers are satanizing even more.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 16 August 2019 16: 07
      0
      They are trying to dispel it. In general, it seems to me that soldiers are a marker. I wrote about this above. That ideology that they instill in them and reproduce. Why be surprised when all the others are not really people for them. You wrote about this above.
  17. yehat
    yehat 16 August 2019 16: 31
    +1
    Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
    Let Vietnam be remembered. What were these notorious "Green Berets" doing there?
    This is called continuity of generations!

    green berets were also very different
    some of Cambodia carried tons of drugs and shot local villages,
    while others fought "for the valor", the third just liked the process itself - they did not climb out of the jungle,
    the fourth spent all the time in saigon bars.
  18. yehat
    yehat 16 August 2019 16: 40
    +2
    Quote: Red_Baron
    It’s not obvious to you only that these people really did great things and masters of their craft. And as soon as something happened you and people like you immediately ran all ... ohm to smear. It is a herd when they yesterday closed their children to honor them and tomorrow they all forgot. And those who gave their lives too. herd.

    it's not about specific bad or good commandos.
    it's about the selection of personnel. Previously, they did not keep in alpha those who could hunt by raiding.
    It doesn’t matter what great missions he completed - it was incompatible. Now the bosses are only interested in the ability to fulfill the order.
    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 16 August 2019 21: 42
      +1
      Here I can’t completely agree or refute, I just don’t know this kitchen. I have an interesting book about Alpha. And reading about their command, you understand that these people would strangle them with their own hands even for thinking about such things. Yes, and they could not work for them. But here it is difficult to reason.
      There is a very important section. Now Alpha, like any other unit, works in the conditions of a socialist country of the USSR. And in the conditions of a completely capitalist country. And a completely different way in their life, ideology, it is not just natural, it is different and cannot be. And against his background, such people and such incidents appear. It is not only a matter of selection. Life itself is like that.
      I do not condone them; on the contrary, I am very upset. For me, Alpha was one of the holy concepts.
      Capitalism is gradually becoming more social, after some time it will become even more like that and the people will reconcile with it more, remain as they are or go in the opposite direction - nobody knows. The hardest thing is not the most intelligent and often already elderly people who are all trying to measure in the old way. Well, generations are simply blown here.
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    1. Red_Baron
      Red_Baron 16 August 2019 21: 29
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      You know, I almost agree with your friend. In America, one must also be able to live, as in any country. And you can eat normally and with the environment to find a compromise and find people according to their interests. And here it is to do the letter G in specially designated places. But many visitors there have very similar thoughts.
  20. yehat
    yehat 19 August 2019 10: 29
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    I do not condone them; on the contrary, I am very upset. For me, Alpha was one of the holy concepts.

    there were far from saints in alpha. I learned a little about them from eyewitness accounts.
    but, let’s say, any deviation from the normal image of the Soviet man was a noticeable chance to leave this unit.
  21. cat Rusich
    cat Rusich 19 August 2019 23: 55
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    Many are surprised at the "minimum" requirements for joining the US Special Forces. But who will tell about their further preparation? I mean the fact that our "conscript" remains a conscript, and after 1 (one) year he leaves for demobilization ... Our "conscripts" are not taken to Syria (they say so on TV), but on "Physics" everyone will go to the US Special Forces ... We argue about recruiting the US Special Forces, compare with Alpha ... In the US Special Forces there are almost 70 fighters, and how many in Alpha? Mass recruitment makes itself felt.
  22. smaug78
    smaug78 2 October 2019 12: 54
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    , our FSB gangs are being organized, FSIN prisoners are forced to rape prisoners. But the cheers of the propagandists are concerned exclusively with the decaying west.