Pentagon interested in 5G no less than hypersound

The Pentagon is ready to offer the infrastructure at its disposal as a testing ground for the development of 5G technology. The involvement of the military department should help accelerate the development of fifth-generation internal networks, the implementation of which is dominated by China.

Speaking at the Hudson Institute on Tuesday, United States Department of Defense CTO Mike Griffin said 5G technology has now “shifted hypersound from first place” on its priority list. At the same time, Griffin is confident that commercial companies are able to do much more in this direction than the Pentagon.

We know that commercial telecommunications initiatives far exceed all that the Pentagon is capable of. Figuratively speaking, we only claim to be a flea on the tail of a telecommunications dog. However, we have national security needs. And in cases where the Pentagon can contribute to the formation of a competitive environment or stimulate the development of technology in areas important to the military department, we will connect.

- stressed the military official.

Three priorities

As an example of how this might work, Griffin noted that the Pentagon has needs for dual-use technologies that are successfully used in commerce. Mike Griffin's list includes smart ports and airports, smart warehouses, smart factories.

If we can provide our infrastructure for experimentation and prototyping in environments where competitors can work in different fields and make sure their confidential information is protected; if we can provide a place or places where local, regional or state permits are not required for work, we are ready. The Pentagon is ready to meet in order to really spur progress in the development of 5G technology.

- emphasized Griffin.

Griffin's deputy, Lisa Porter, has been appointed Executive Representative for 5G. But the technical director of the US Department of Defense wants to appoint not just a curator. He wants to form an independent direction, which will be headed by a specially appointed leader in the status of assistant director. At the moment, only hypersound and artificial intelligence have received such close attention.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Hypersonic 5 the same?
Or a five-chew hypersound?

[Tusv]

Quote: Victor_B

Hypersonic 5 the same?

The same is the overload, calculated in the number of earthly gravities. For example, the attraction "Cobra" at VDNKh is about 5 Zhe. I don't know if it works now. The children have grown up.
But the missile interceptor should not give a damn about it. For hypersound, the indicators in Je should be at least 15 ty. Otherwise into milk

[Victor_B]

Theme of the article

Pentagon interested in 5G no less than hypersound

where does the overload?

[Tusv]

The same means of interception will fall apart and will not reach the target

[Andrea]

Hmm ... China is already mastering the 6th, if the info is correct and our specialists are attracted.

[Valerik1337]

I have information that they immediately decided to master the 7th

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Valerik1337

I have information that they immediately decided to master the 7th

Yes there too - 20 toe ... That would not be trifled ..
sarcasm...


But in fact - for the 6th generation, even the technical specifications in the consortiums are still not there.

[voyaka uh]

This is absolutely true. Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron.

[Kolbi]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is absolutely true. Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron.

And in the first place, of course, Israel ..?

[voyaka uh]

Israel is about fifth in R&D in this area.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is absolutely true. Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron.

Of course, in such areas as transportation, storage and production of ammunition, military equipment, such technologies significantly speed up the process. The question is what exactly does the Pentagon offer to deal with this spectrum of activity. The question is only in the conditions that the Pentagon will offer, does China not have its technology after that?
It is possible to develop networks based on the laws of the free market, or it is possible on the terms of the Pentagon of the USA .....................

[voyaka uh]

"Of course in such areas as transportation, storage and production of ammunition, military property," ////
----
This is important, but not the main thing. The main thing is AI. To implement it, you must be able to transfer
like a pin pong with huge amounts of information in a split second.

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

This is important, but not the main thing. The main thing is AI. To implement it, you must be able to transfer
like a pin pong with huge amounts of information in a split second

You just do not understand the meaning of the post. The proposal from the Pentagon bribes with its novelty, do you really think that China will be allowed to operate such networks for the Pentagon?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: APASUS

Quote: voyaka uh

This is absolutely true. Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron.

Of course, in such areas as transportation, storage and production of ammunition, military equipment, such technologies significantly speed up the process. The question is what exactly does the Pentagon offer to deal with this spectrum of activity. The question is only in the conditions that the Pentagon will offer, does China not have its technology after that?
It is possible to develop networks based on the laws of the free market, or it is possible on the terms of the Pentagon of the USA .....................

Nobody has their own technologies.
There are clearly defined, very strict regulations on standards and protocols.
It’s impossible to make completely your own technology to meet release requirements.


Ours have also been trying for 2 years with the help of the Ministry of Communications of Rostelecom and the Ministry of Defense to implement 5G on their own and with their equipment. But alas ..

[Tusv]

Quote: ovAr238A

It’s impossible to make completely your own technology to meet release requirements.

And then where do the technologies come from, since it’s not possible?
So to speak. it is possible with the Americans, only Edison adapted a lot of other people's inventions, and Huawei deprives such companies of primacy, because it is patented
What about ours, so we have secrecy above all. Good or bad? It is not known.
For instance. Dumping S-400 data into Turkey could stop American dermocracy around the world. IMHO.
Certainly not to the detriment of Our air defense service

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: ovAr238A

It’s impossible to make completely your own technology to meet release requirements.

And then where do the technologies come from, since it’s not possible?
So to speak. it is possible with the Americans, only Edison adapted a lot of other people's inventions, and Huawei deprives such companies of primacy, because it is patented
What about ours, so we have secrecy above all. Good or bad? It is not known.
For instance. Dumping S-400 data into Turkey could stop American dermocracy around the world. IMHO.
Certainly not to the detriment of Our air defense service

You probably know a little ...
Here's an example.
Most smartphone processors use AWP technology.
You, being 7 spans in your forehead, will not be able to produce an AWP processor. without buying a license for AWP technology. And all these names are snapdragon, excinos. Kirin. Media libraries, Baikal and others - they all buy a license from the consortium of AWPs.
also in communication technologies.
There is a standard LTE or 5G - you can create 100% compatible equipment in your sleep. without buying a license. With a license they will give you all the technology, all-all-all. But you can only buy.
you cannot do it yourself.
You can do this or even better - but nobody needs it. because. that will not be 100% compatible.

And about the discharge of data from the S-400 - this is a pearl ...

[Tusv]

Quote: SovAr238A

Here's an example.
Most smartphone processors use AWP technology.
You, being 7 spans in your forehead, will not be able to produce an AWP processor. without buying a license for AWP technology.

I am for example a programmer. I’m probably violet to buy a license if I read the code, right? I’ll bungle both the code and my license
And yes. I am the Paramilitary (Fighter of the Semi Military Organization, abbreviated as Air Defense). The former is true, But! There are no exes. How, who and under whose tune fly I know

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Tusv

I am for example a programmer. I’m probably violet to buy a license if I read the code, right? I’ll bungle both the code and my license
And yes. I am the Paramilitary (Fighter of the Semi Military Organization, abbreviated as Air Defense). The former is true, But! There are no exes. How, who and under whose tune fly I know

LTD...
Interesting..
write on Fortran a product compatible with HTML5, if you initially will know that you will not receive any documentation on HTML5. because for you it will be closed in principle. since you did not buy a license ...
Or will you try to disassemble the code of all libraries?
and what will be the result?
As I understand it. that is near zero ..

Do you understand this example?

[Tusv]

Quote: SovAr238A

write on Fortran a product compatible with HTML5

How to reset two bits. HTML5 is text. Well structured with tags. Like here - write tags in square brackets and close them in time. Difference?

[lucul]

This is absolutely true. Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron.

Hehe, for this whole figure to exist - one condition is necessary - the presence of electric energy.
And the peak of resources (mining) mankind passed in the month of July this year. Further resources will be rapidly reduced)))
And without resources there is no electric energy - how will your AI then live? )))

[PN]

In, here it would be necessary to pull up biotechnology so that this AI does not live in transistors, but in living matter.

[voyaka uh]

The largest source of electricity is the sun.
But its energy is almost never used in production.
electricity. Because humanity (for now) lives in a "barbarian"
era - burning organics: firewood, coal, oil, gas.
This will change as soon as it becomes clear that there is not enough organics.

[rocket757]

Quote: voyaka uh

This will change as soon as it becomes clear that there is not enough organics.

As it changes, it will return .... not to hydrocarbon energy, so different!
NO green energy. which didn’t harm nature !!! Not so obvious at first glance, but no less destructive for the PLANET, when they try to use it in much larger quantities!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: voyaka uh

The largest source of electricity is the sun.
But its energy is almost never used in production.
electricity. Because humanity (for now) lives in a "barbarian"
era - burning organics: firewood, coal, oil, gas.
This will change as soon as it becomes clear that there is not enough organics.

To create 1 kW of solar energy. you need to spend from 200 to 500 kW - "barbaric" energy.
That is why it is in the same Germany. even with their tariffs and subsidies - even for 10 years of warranty and the life cycle - solar panels do not pay off ...

there was a moment in my life. ran into a "bitten by the Greens" assembly engineer of "Zolyarov" from among the Kazakh Germans, who had moved to Germany.

Honestly. at that time did not see a man. so washed by the Greens and unable to just deal with numbers ....
Although an engineer.

[Avior]

Energy in kW is not measured, it is power.
If you mean kWh, can you give a link where such strange numbers are justified?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Avior

Energy in kW is not measured, it is power.
If you mean kWh, can you give a link where such strange numbers are justified?

The minimum cost price for the materials used in Zolyar is 50 cents per 1 watt.
Accordingly, a kilowatt battery battery will cost only $ 500 in materials.
Add to that all the administrative expenses. which in the manufacturing sector are considered normal in the range from 50 to 500% i.e. marketing and logistics costs: product sales, general expenses, administrative, transportation costs, or warranty costs = rate of return on development.
We consider further.
Panels without strapping in the form of switching equipment (wires, connectors, control modules, lead-acid batteries supporting the energy storage mode) are dead.
Add hundreds more accordingly. if not thousands of dollars.
Batteries - have a short-term life cycle. and they are expensive.
and lead production. copper. production of polymers for braids and cases. manufacturing of control modules - huge costs are also needed ... have you seen the smelter production?
So it turns out up to 500kW
know how to consider all costs .. direct and indirect ...

Only please. do not give links to companies selling Zolaars ...
They have already been put into shelves in Russia on their fraud and lies ...
Due to the presence of people who are real engineers and are able to dig to the depths ..

[SovAr238A]

[quote = SovAr238A]

I’m wondering how much it’s necessary to be sick on my head in order to put down the cons for digital justification ... Moreover, the wrong person put them. to which I replied, but a small dirty trick ....

[Avior]

Nothing can be understood.
Why on earth do you care about cost? Let the manufacturer’s headache about it.
As for profitability, it’s unprofitable in Russia.
You yourself painted the costs at world prices, and if you pay 4 rubles for domestic electricity, it is clear that it will be unprofitable, even for an autonomous one it’s easier to put a diesel generator.
But most of Europe took refuge in these panels. At a price of 15-20 rubles per kilowatt hour, this is more than profitable.
Installation costs are almost the same.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Avior

Nothing can be understood.
Why on earth do you care about cost? Let the manufacturer’s headache about it.
As for profitability, it’s unprofitable in Russia.
You yourself painted the costs at world prices, and if you pay 4 rubles for domestic electricity, it is clear that it will be unprofitable, even for an autonomous one it’s easier to put a diesel generator.
But most of Europe took refuge in these panels. At a price of 15-20 rubles per kilowatt hour, this is more than profitable.
Installation costs are almost the same.

Not ...
Well, if you think that let the Chinese die from ulcers and the Russians die from the release of methane from permafrost bogs. that occupy a third of the territory of the Russian Federation - and this will not affect you - of course ... Continue to live in your nest ..
Only when half of your country, Germany is flooded due to climate change - you are not looking askance at us. but for yourself ...
such positive and not able to think a little further. than you need to ..

Europe then took refuge ..
Government subsidies for purchase in Germany - 35% = interest-free lending ..
return to the network 10-15% higher than the price of the incoming - is there? There is...
Greens defeated the mind.

Have you bought new lead-acid batteries every 3-4 years?
Do you know how the atmosphere is killed when processing lead?

Well, of course, why do you need to know this, because it is among the Chinese and Indians and Russians - ulcers from lead then ...

But God is not Timoshka - he sees a little ..
The situation around the world is slowly but changing ...
We feel bad, but you don’t get any better ...

[Avior]

Lead batteries are needed only for stand-alone sources, for the network enough inverter.
And Lead Yesterday.
There are new types that do not need to be changed.
The permissible burden on nature is regulated by law and is included in the cost.
And it makes no difference why the Chinese are smelting lead - on a car battery or for a solar installation.
But then the difference is huge.
Solar panels do not pollute the world in the process.
Unlike other energy sources

[APASUS]

Quote: voyaka uh

The largest source of electricity is the sun.

Unfortunately, due to the lack of cheap technology for the production of solar panels and less harmful in production, the sun cannot be considered a source of energy at this stage!

Cadmium chloride is a key component in the production of solar cells. This substance is highly toxic and very expensive to manufacture, requiring complex safety measures to protect workers during production and disposal.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: lucul

Hehe, for this whole figure to exist - one condition is necessary - the presence of electric energy.
And the peak of resources (mining) mankind passed in the month of July this year. Further resources will be rapidly reduced)))
And without resources there is no electric energy - how will your AI then live? )))

Each next generation of microelectronics is less voracious than the previous one.
You should know that ...
15 years ago, the normal consumption of a gaming computer with an abstract X performance was around 600 watts. Now tighter performance provide chips with a consumption of 150 watts.

That is all. what you need to know ...

[rocket757]

Quote: SovAr238A

Each next generation of microelectronics is less voracious than the previous one.

Only these computers and other smart technology becomes MUCH MORE !!! Electricity consumption is growing every year!

Quote: SovAr238A

That is all. what you need to know ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: SovAr238A

Each next generation of microelectronics is less voracious than the previous one.

Only these computers and other smart technology becomes MUCH MORE !!! Electricity consumption is growing every year!

Quote: SovAr238A

That is all. what you need to know ...

Nonsense...
In developed countries, per capita consumption is falling.
In our country, the level of energy production from 2010 to 2017 remained unchanged.

Growth is only in developing countries in Africa and Asia.
Where finally started to buy refrigerators and air conditioners. due to revenue growth.

Have you ever been to India?
very indicative country.

[rocket757]

Quote: SovAr238A

Nonsense...

Where exactly? from what I wrote about ... indicate.
If I don’t have this, you are a jerk .... talker!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: SovAr238A

Nonsense...

Where exactly? from what I wrote about ... indicate.
If I don’t have this, you are a jerk .... talker!

Look at the reports of the UES of Russia on electricity generation for the years from 2005 to 2017 ...
everything is in numbers.

Take developed Norway.
“Electricity consumption per capita in Norway in 2014 was 22 thousand kWh per capita, which is 806 kWh per capita less than in 2013 (23 thousand kWh per capita). the fall in comparison with 2013 was equal to 3,38%.
During the period from 2007 to 2014, electricity consumption per capita in Norway decreased by 1,85 thousand kWh per capita The average value was 24 thousand kWh per capita. The average annual growth rate of electricity consumption per capita in Norway during this period was -0,964%. "
I will add that half of the households in Norway are heated by electricity. through heat pumps ...

and so on everywhere ...

Which of us is a talker and a jerk ... ???

Or shoot yourself. or apologize for the insults ...

don't behave like a 16 year old kid, but learn to think with your head already before you write something ...
Just thinking ...

[rocket757]

Your reasoning ...... you understand them, it will be necessary, I will find, check ... Only these computers and other smart technology becomes MUCH MORE !!! Electricity consumption is growing every year! WHERE is the error written by ME, not accuracy? which you called Bullshit!

[SovAr238A]

[quote = rocket757] Your reasoning ...... you understand them, it will be necessary, I will find, I will check ... [b]

That is another belligerent troll that is not able to figure out anything on its own ...
Which is not able to put my text in Google and find the source ...
Does he not like my reasoning? so why bother there with your crazy thoughts. who have nothing to do with reality?
and when you click on the nose for that. that you are wrong in your thoughts - you would have to apologize and accept your wrong ...
but no ... Russians are not mistaken ... Habit. what to play unconscious? Or inability to admit their mistakes?

don’t check .. You don’t need it - you already failed in all respects ...
scribbled on the whole forum like that. that you won’t wash ..
And it will remain for many years.
..

[rocket757]

Funny ..... and where is my ERROR?
And this troll, as it seemed to you, has one of the basic formations of power engineering! and Soviet, high-quality.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

Funny ..... and where is my ERROR?
And this troll, as it seemed to you, has one of the basic formations of power engineering! and Soviet, high-quality.

And I also have a Soviet system engineering ...
Both Soviet computers and non-"Soviet" ones I took apart to a screw ...

And most importantly, I was taught "systems thinking" ...
To be able to look at any question from 2 or even 5 different sides ...
Only this gives a real result.
Real, even if not "desired" - but actual.
For when you are looking for a bad sector, you need to be able to search in yourself too ...
And do not blame others.

Unlike you.

[rocket757]

Quote: SovAr238A

And do not blame others.

Unlike you.

Question - WHERE IS AN ERROR, NOT ACCURACY?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: SovAr238A

And do not blame others.

Unlike you.

Question - WHERE IS AN ERROR, NOT ACCURACY?

In your thesis: "Electricity consumption grows every year!"

[rocket757]

Strange, I didn’t even look at our homegrown statistics and forecasts .... FOR ALL and their forecasts GROWS, the multiplicity \ percent and terms are different, but everyone lays down the trend the same, ON GROWTH!
Give a link stating the opposite.

[lucul]

Take developed Norway.
“Electricity consumption per capita in Norway in 2014 was 22 thousand kWh per capita, which is 806 kWh per capita less than in 2013 (23 thousand kWh per capita). the fall in comparison with 2013 was equal to 3,38%.

Now impose this on industrial production in Norway, and you will realize that the whole difference is only due to a drop in industrial production. Industrial production is falling in Europe, because of its removal to Southeast Asia. But accordingly, due to the transfer of industry, in this very Asia, electric consumption will wildly grow. Which confirms the statistics of energy consumption.
And in Europe, industrial production is falling, due to the adopted idiotic doctrine of the fifth technological order. We will transfer the whole industry somewhere, and we will only be engaged in office work .....
Here only the phrase Lavrov comes to them ....

[Cottodraton]

It's strange, only if you look at the same PSU for the PC, then the capacities are growing. Previously, 200 - 300 watts was enough, but now they recommend from 500.
FIG knows where energy consumption is reduced there.

[rocket757]

Quote: Cottodraton

It's strange, only if you look at the same PSU for the PC, then the capacities are growing. Previously, 200 - 300 watts was enough, but now they recommend from 500.
FIG knows where energy consumption is reduced there.

1. Monitors began to consume less, replacing the electron beam on the LCD! clear energy savings!
2. Market (consumer) desire to have a computer with improved properties!
Higher speed, multitasking, more memory .... i.e. A modern computer is, as it were, a dozen, or even more computers in one block, performing one task!
That is, one device with the characteristics of the previous ones will "eat" less .... they do not do such things now, they are NOT NECESSARY .... accordingly, a dozen economical ones working on one task will "eat" MORE, because energy saving has its own limits, restrictions!
It is convenient when, in addition to power engineering, I also studied "Architecture of computers and computer systems."
you understand not only how "kerosene flows through the wires" but about how the computer "thinks" and why it "eats" more than ........

[lucul]

That is all. what you need to know ...

Do not make me laugh - all you need to know is the linear increase in electricity consumption over the past 100 years. ))))

[Observer2014]

voyaka uh

Information technology came out
in first place in the technological development of mankind in general.
This can be compared with the transition from the Bronze Age to the Iron

. Yes, I agree

[KCA]

Digital technologies are too vulnerable, they depend entirely on satellites that can be knocked down / disabled, on data exchange that can be completely suppressed, or the transmission speed can be reduced by orders of magnitude, thereby reducing efficiency, it can be completely disabled using EMR, or For a long period of time, all communications, especially low-power digital ones with semiconductor generators, rather than tube ones, EMP causes not only a nuclear explosion, for several years now EMPs have been causing explosive generators, even in the cinema, like 11 or 12 Ocean’s friends showed

[voyaka uh]

"vulnerable, entirely dependent on satellites," ////
----
They think about it. And they create several networks of satellites at different heights,
which duplicate and secure each other. Small - qubits, low flying.
They will be launched by tens of thousands. They will immediately launch to replace failed
50-100 new missiles each.
They are coordinated by several thousand larger ones higher in orbits. And multi-ton satellites
on GSO. This whole system will provide a stable next-generation Internet.

[KCA]

You must understand that the smaller the satellite, the lower the power of its transmitter, roughly speaking, jamming the limit switch and putting the microwave oven on the street with the door open, all communication with nano satellites will be lost throughout the visible sky, to say nothing of megawatt electronic warfare systems launching a rocket, if it’s not an ICBM with the coordinates in place, it’s not a 30 second readiness, it’s not a problem to take a satellite with a GSO, A-35, A-135, and perhaps also A-235, especially if SBC, and A-35 only with SBC

[Avior]

About microwave, this bike roams the network.
Try to do so and put a glass of water opposite the open door and wait until it boils, you will see how much energy is actually leaving the internal volume of the chamber

[KCA]

An electric kettle designed for boiling water has a power of 1.6-2 kW, a cell phone has a capacity (up to Russian standards) of up to 200 milliwatts, 10 times less, also suggest to fry a barbecue on a match, as I said about the stove, of course it’s the radiation is directed inward and not outward, although there is a magnetron, you can play it a little sarcastically, but specialized nanocubic jamming transmitters will collapse tightly, and even there will be no communication just 000m from a 100kV transmission line, but 6kV and 150kV and 300kV? And this is without jammers, Iran, which has been living under various sanctions since the 500s of the last century, is planting top-secret, super-super-drone US drones, gutting them itself, what it does not understand, it is giving to Russia

[Avior]

I wrote about the microwave oven

[SovAr238A]

Quote: voyaka uh

"vulnerable, entirely dependent on satellites," ////
----
They think about it. And they create several networks of satellites at different heights,
which duplicate and secure each other. Small - qubits, low flying.
They will be launched by tens of thousands. They will immediately launch to replace failed
50-100 new missiles each.
They are coordinated by several thousand larger ones higher in orbits. And multi-ton satellites
on GSO. This whole system will provide a stable next-generation Internet.

Alexei. you have to understand one thing - they are still one-sided.
They all need a basic element. either ground. or satellite communications terminal.

And equipment available in the region.
They will forbid us from selling such equipment - and we will not have satellite Internet for the masses.

[voyaka uh]

The Soviet Union also tried to suppress the "enemy voices".
Did not work. Goal for fiction is cunning.
Even from children's round sleighs in the USSR, satellite communications antennas were made.
Direct Satellite Internet Receivers Will Be Sold
for about $ 200.
But, of course, there will be all kinds of "Chinese semi-homemade" for a pittance.
It will be technically impossible to ban the Internet in a decade.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Soviet Union also tried to suppress the "enemy voices".
Did not work. Goal for fiction is cunning.
Even from children's round sleighs in the USSR, satellite communications antennas were made.
Direct Satellite Internet Receivers Will Be Sold
for about $ 200.
But, of course, there will be all kinds of "Chinese semi-homemade" for a pittance.
It will be technically impossible to ban the Internet in a decade.

Denying the Internet is not realistic.
and nobody needs ...
The most important thing here is not to replace the concept.

My Internet is 400 rubles for a 100 megabit channel in full anlim.
This does not give a single non-Russian operator in the world.
IMHO.
For $ 6 for 100 real megabits with anlim - I have not seen in China. not in India - anywhere.
My personal mobile connection on 4G - 1200 rubles for 3000 minutes and unlimited Internet throughout the country.
And I have 2 more SIM cards corporate. Where the intercity minute is 20 kopecks ...
This is generally unattainable for everyone. excluding the Lopoto and Bormoto tribes ...
I just dream about the costs of cellular and Internet in principle.

And most importantly - even with our Russian small salaries, in terms of dollars - it's still lower ...
We have real competition.
What you do not have.
We built an inium - and now you are the only operator and you will not get anywhere from it and will pay 50-70 dollars.


And yes.
I know that they listened to the voice of America, but no one except the listeners of the Echo of Moscow. through and through at a loss - did not make a lifestyle out of this.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Soviet Union also tried to suppress the "enemy voices".
Did not work.

It turned out, but not always and not everywhere. Where I live, the enemy voices are pretty drowned out
However, I believe that it would be better if they didn’t jam out, spending hundreds of millions on this disastrous business, but would have created a couple of better radio stations, and would have correctly refuted that there were voices broadcasting, and banning Western music is not a good thing, then there would be no Sev Novgorodtsev would not have been able to get the English titles and medals only because he twisted rock-crops. In this regard, the CIA outplayed the KGB.

[Rec]

Quote: voyaka uh

Even from children's round sleighs in the USSR, satellite communications antennas were made.

On the contrary, sleds made of antennas. By conversion.

[Okolotochny]

I remember the warrior about a year ago, in one of your posts, your comrade Privalov stated that the era of the World Wide Internet would come. Attention question, a year has passed - it's empty. Where is the infrastructure for this phenomenon? Workshops (plants) for the assembly of satellites (your words are Thousands), launch vehicles for launching into orbits. And the second question, and who will pay for this banquet?

[voyaka uh]

Remember how the Internet began in the 90s.
No one understood why he was, how to use it,
and who will pay for it. They thought it was a toy.
Now everything is tied to it: finances, purchases, all computer science.
But the infrastructure was in diapers. Cables, wires at home.
The volume of information has grown millions of times.
And the infrastructure is being transferred to space. 3D printers already
satellites stamp like electric kettles, and reusable Mask rockets
throw them into space 60 at a time. Probably saw the video: machine gun
queue of satellites in space? There are conveyor factories that make qubits.
And the carrier rockets, which have already made 4 round trips.
And we will pay, of course.
But not immediately, but how much on the Internet - gradually and imperceptibly.

[svp67]

The transition to 5G is comparable to the transition from windmills and watermills to steam engines in production. The army, which will be able to put these technologies into service, will add 50 percent in its potential

[Kolbi]

Quote: svp67

The transition to 5G is comparable to the transition from windmills and watermills to steam engines in production. The army, which will be able to put these technologies into service, will add 50 percent in its potential

Well, I would be wary of these technologies .. Now 5G, tomorrow in the caves ..
Who owns all this, that’s the question? You cannot forget Morse code .. You can kick.

[svp67]

Quote: Kolbi

You can kick.

For what? In the sense it’s right, only in life they don’t listen to this much.

[rocket757]

Interesting your question

Quote: Kolbi

Who owns all this, that’s the question?

Just by chance they almost hit the bull's-eye or do you know what was said at ...... the "meeting" of those who are in the know?
Just curious!
I read everything, you're second somewhere nearby!

[lucul]

Switching to 5G is comparable to switching from windmills and watermills to steam engines in production.

Only robotics will give a quantum leap (though not under capitalism).

[svp67]

Quote: lucul

Only robotics will give a quantum leap

5G this is the leap in the implementation of robotics

[lucul]

5G this is the leap in the implementation of robotics

I beg you - what is essentially 5G?
It’s just an increase in mobile network bandwidth ......

[SovAr238A]

Quote: lucul

5G this is the leap in the implementation of robotics

I beg you - what is essentially 5G?
It’s just an increase in mobile network bandwidth ......

Well, yes ... Abacus is one thing, modern DBMSs of the level of an international transnational corporation are another thing.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: lucul

Only robotics will give a quantum leap (though not under capitalism).

What does the social system have to do with it?

[Rwmos]

Specific use of the 5G network? Remote-controlled robot in the zone of direct visibility of the operator ?! 100-300 m? Not revolution

[svp67]

Quote: RWMos

Specific use of the 5G network?

Completely unmanned vehicles and remote control of production processes, and in the army, respectively, the replacement of man by unmanned combat systems

Quote: RWMos

Remote-controlled robot in the zone of direct visibility of the operator ?!

Do you know what AI is - "artificial intelligence"? So these technologies and a person will be removed from full control. And what kind of line of sight are you talking about. The operator in his line of sight will see any part of the Earth's terrain in real time

[Rwmos]

The radius of the cell is from 100 to 300 meters. Go first put on the front tower through 300 meters and deep into the enemy’s position. Then tell me about robots, AI, and what the operator sees there.
For aircraft and marine equipment is not applicable at all

[svp67]

Quote: RWMos

Go first put on the front tower through 300 meters and deep into the enemy’s position.

How far are you from real life. Such systems have long been used. And they are installed remotely, using the same MLRS.

[Rwmos]

This is my profession for a minute. So he laughed. And with MLRS you need not throw out the transmitters in the zone, and distribute them - but also pave the track to that zone. Then check the performance. I recommend sending a fighter in a budenovka and with a parachute, otherwise the enemy will not admit that there is a robot with an AI and an operator who sees everything - he’ll go

[svp67]

Quote: RWMos

This is my profession for a minute. So laughed

So it's time to retrain

[Rwmos]

I will not bother you, retrain - say ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

I will not bother you, retrain - say ...

And you in vain err ... There are blocks of "base station simulators" in nature. who are able to switch to themselves all subscribers in the access zone. And their range is enough for operational activities.
I honestly don't know. what the imitators actually do, but even getting the IMEI phones in the right "square" gives colossal advantages for the adversary.
You probably understand. that for the "necessary IMEIs" it is easy and unconstrained to send modified updates for them ...
And they are like being shot from artillery. and those fired from cluster warheads.
Yes. they are short-lived. But they do their task - otherwise they would not do it.

And if there are imitators. completely replacing BS, then with a probability of 100% - there are real BS, then the problem is not simulators. and real BS for some sort of operation? Let short-lived. but there are no problems ...

[KCA]

Oh, biotechnology in action? MLRS throws seeds of cell towers, they deepen, give roots and grow to a height of at least 25 meters, do diesel generators and oops grow nearby? Or transmitters lying on the ground can provide a communication range of more than a dozen meters, but if they fall into a ditch or water, then generally kirdyk. Repeaters from MLRS shots, what will you power on? Manna from heaven? Sit down, deuce

[Evil echo]

They are with wires from the nearest nuclear power plant.

[lucul]

The radius of the cell is from 100 to 300 meters. Go first put on the front tower through 300 meters and deep into the enemy’s position. Then tell me about robots, AI, and what the operator sees there.
For aircraft and marine equipment is not applicable at all

I will support.
Everything is beautiful on paper, but in reality .....
Only satellite internet can solve the problem.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: lucul

Only satellite internet can solve the problem.

But is it that satellite communications, if desired, are jammed by a factor of two?

[Rwmos]

Bhe. It is much more difficult to repay a satellite than a radiator on a surface. The second is enough for the most primitive quadrocopter drone with Ali-express and a weak point on the knee pointing at the strongest signal that constantly emits. And hello to your 5G

[Lipchanin]

Quote: RWMos

It is much more difficult to repay a satellite than a radiator on a surface.

I'm not talking about the satellite itself, about the signal from it

[Rwmos]

Signal too The dish focuses the signal, it is structurally already protected from interference, cutting off the signal from a certain point in the sky

[Lipchanin]

Quote: RWMos

Signal too The dish focuses the signal, it is structurally already protected from interference, cutting off the signal from a certain point in the sky

So, he may not reach the plate, or go distorted. This is all the same. magnetic wave, not very reliable

[Rwmos]

Well then, the interference must be crammed into the dispersion cone of the plate. What is more difficult than just sticking an omnidirectional emitter is the main thing that the signal is stronger. than that. what are you jamming. And not always even this is necessary.
Conclusion - 5 It’s easier to drown out. Not to mention that. that he himself will be muffled by the relief

[Lipchanin]

Quote: RWMos

Conclusion - 5 It is easier to drown out

So I talked about him. In the sense that he will be via satellite.
Ilya, the time is already late, I'm tired. Sorry, this is the end of our pleasant conversation.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

Signal too The dish focuses the signal, it is structurally already protected from interference, cutting off the signal from a certain point in the sky

Well now tell us. how a plate can give you internet without a receiver ...

Man torn away from reality ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: lucul

I will support.
Everything is beautiful on paper, but in reality .....
Only satellite internet can solve the problem.

Satellite Internet for the average user of a regular smartphone - there will never be ...
For the satellites, whether you want it or not, will be at a height of at least 400 km. And therefore, I'm sorry, both of the next project will not work on smartphones, tablets, etc.

well so - for understanding. that there is no rainbow - https://habr.com/en/post/453554/

...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: SovAr238A

Quote: lucul

I will support.
Everything is beautiful on paper, but in reality .....
Only satellite internet can solve the problem.

Satellite Internet for the average user of a regular smartphone - there will never be ...
For the satellites, whether you want it or not, will be at a height of at least 400 km. And therefore, I'm sorry, both of the next project will not work on smartphones, tablets, etc.

well so - for understanding. that there is no rainbow - https://habr.com/en/post/453554/

...

People are so educated. that apparently they never read the specifications of VanWeb and the Maskovsky project.
the location of the satellites is a minimum of 400 kilometers.
No smartphone can reach the satellite directly.
Never. for there are standards and regulations. limiting the power of the transmitter.
But this site has knowledge. logic and reason are not needed - Urya is needed ...
and excuse warlike fools ..
And a team of like-minded people. which was opened 2 years ago. but they did not stop ...
Apparently the admin is "in share"

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

Specific use of the 5G network? Remote-controlled robot in the zone of direct visibility of the operator ?! 100-300 m? Not revolution

The robot is not alone. and hundreds.
And the capacity of the information exchange system is enough to exchange information in real time. The formation of a common data field, one saw - everyone knows.
Including all weather, relief conditions, illumination levels of objects. object signatures — the entire structure of MO information repositories — is calmly manipulated by each end device.
Up to the results of the analysis of participation in the exercises in 2014, Sergeant Bilko, who now became lieutenant and is the commander of the enemy unit.
That's what bandwidth growth is.

[Rwmos]

Constantly radiating to the same. See above.
Although this is at least a little something sensible.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

Constantly radiating to the same. See above.
Although this is at least a little something sensible.

I wonder who you minusanul ...
:)

[Olddetractor]

And is it true that they are more interested in the possibilities of communication or the ability to fry people?

[Ali Kokand]

If with the development of robotics and network technologies, in addition to 5 G, there will be a breakthrough in the creation of artificial intelligence, then put out the lights. Future wars will be somewhat reminiscent of the meetings of the Aztecs with the conquistadors. And yet, the conjugation of brain neurons with microchips, if successful, will lead to an evolutionary leap. And all this is tied to 5 and 6 G

[voyaka uh]

"pairing brain neurons with microchips, if possible,
there will be an evolutionary leap. "////
-----

Already about 15 years ago, as the nerve endings were connected with electric wires.
And successfully used for the rehabilitation of disabled people. And the brain is connected to the chips.
But not individual neurons, but areas.
The evolutionary leap has already taken place. But while he is in medicine and laboratories, he
imperceptible.
-----
You were bombarded, but your post is right to the point. AI plus 5 G - may happen
put out the light. Not exactly the end of the world, but a sharp turn in the history of mankind.

[Rwmos]

You can cut more on 5G. The military use of such networks looks extremely doubtful - the meager radius of the cell (from 100 to with a creak of 300 meters) interferes. But to cut - you can definitely do a lot! And shoot commercials!
Besides, it's easier than making hypersound, especially with gnarled penguin legs. Better to sculpt "the last breath of Mr. 5Zhe" "Who on Plyuk thinks the truth!"

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

You can cut more on 5G. The military use of such networks looks extremely doubtful - the meager radius of the cell (from 100 to with a creak of 300 meters) interferes. But to cut - you can definitely do a lot! And shoot commercials!
Besides, it's easier than making hypersound, especially with gnarled penguin legs. Better to sculpt "the last breath of Mr. 5Zhe" "Who on Plyuk thinks the truth!"

How many frequency ranges does 5G have?

Even the "top" at 26GHz has more than 1000 meters.
and it is he who can work with a capacity of up to 100 million subscriber devices per 1 sq. km !!!!!!!!!!!!

And the lowest at 700-800 MHz is very long-range - up to 25 km.

You just need to know at least a little materiel. that would not be ridiculous ...

[Rwmos]

Well, don’t carry it:

Competitors AT&T and Verizon will have faster speeds as they plan to use other frequency bands to build their networks. But T-Mobile considers it justified to use frequencies in the 600 MHz range, since this option provides more coverage than millimeter-wave spectrum.

According to T-Mobile manager Carry Kuoppamaki, the use of millimeter waves will make it possible to provide a range of base stations of 900 feet (about 274 m), which is too small to provide global coverage. Although Verizon spokeswoman Nicola Palmer claimed last year that the company could get gigabit speeds at 2000 feet (about 600 m) from the base station.

The bandwidth directly depends on the frequency, the ones you mentioned carry less LTE, do not bother to learn where you are not in the subject - it looks silly

[SovAr238A]

Quote: RWMos

The bandwidth directly depends on the frequency, the ones you mentioned carry less LTE, do not bother to learn where you are not in the subject - it looks silly

But still..
See release 15 and 16 from 3GPP.
There you will see all the numbers I have indicated.
If you don’t even understand the dependence of bandwidth on the frequency of data transfer, then you really need to retrain ...
If I directly wrote that 5G uses 4 frequency ranges ... where are you looking?
What is the range of 24-28 GHz, which I averaged to 26 GHz - will be used only in large cities - and does it really support up to 100 million connections per 1 square?
Did you even read this? Did you check it?
What is 1 square. you understand?

What will be 700-800 MHz in the fields - have you seen or not?

What opsos do you work in? I'm just curious

[lucul]

That the range of 24-28 GHz, which I averaged to 26 GHz, will be used only in large cities

I beg you - are you aware that 2.4 GHz is already harmful to humans?
Do you want to push 26 GHz into a mobile phone ?? )))

[Valerik1337]

The US does not have technology companies that can create and promote 5G, like China and Russia

[Freemason Mason]

How else? We invented the Internet here, this is the head offices of the largest software corporations in our country, we are the leaders in the development of hardware and software for computers, etc. ...

[Freemason Mason]

What are the cons? It seems that he wrote everything in the case

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Valerik1337

The US does not have technology companies that can create and promote 5G, like China and Russia

And what kind of companies then are in 3GPP? Which develops and adopts 5G standards?
are there Russian companies there?
how many Chinese companies are there?
how many American companies are there?

You might have looked at first. before writing bullshit?

[Kenxnumx]

I'm interested too. I decided to buy a new smart when they come out with 5G

[usr01]

You know, I’m a system administrator in my life ... and I have little idea what the Internet, network, Wi-Fi, 2G, 3G, 4G, 5G are ...
I imagine what is "channel width" and what is "ping time per gate" ......
But I can’t imagine - how can people for ... shit their brains, so that this is seriously discussed all over the world ......
=> Loot is sawing !!!!!!!!!!

[region58]

Quote: usr01

I can’t imagine - how can people for ... shit their brains so that this is seriously discussed all over the world ......

Quote: RWMos

You can cut more on 5G. The military use of such networks looks extremely doubtful

"Digital Economy". It echoes ... The meaning is the same ...

The Digital Economy, invented in Skolkovo, became one of the main myths of the current political system — which turned out to be convenient both for those who earn on digitalization — in particular, bankers, and for a countless army of officials who began to repeat the mantra about the digital economy for any reason after this phrase was used several times by President Putin.

As yesterday's forum, which became the first and so far the largest event in Russia in the field of the digital economy, showed that even among IT specialists and innovation workers there is no common understanding of what CE is.

[Bookcase]

Digital technologies will be in the first place until people finish billions of years of accumulated reserves of the earth. Then everything will go in the opposite direction and there may be a chance for people to become smart and cultured again.

[usr01]

H. RWMos (Ilya) -
I read your comments with pleasure.
Well, "feeling" - the person understands what he is writing about !!!!!

[Sergst]

I didn’t understand one thing - what meeting is the Pentagon ready to go to? VO - will you read the texts?

[Evil echo]

Previously, there was one G point, everyone tried to find it. And now, there isn’t enough hands to embrace something that isn’t enough.

[grumbler]

"Number" is a means, not an end in itself. As stated in the article "Pursuit of Efficiency" (http://www.ng.ru/ng_energiya/2018-11-12/11_7436_digital.html)

"The digital economy answers the question of “how,” and not “why,” and is a means, not an end in itself. The basis of the digital economy is digital data as a key factor in production in all areas of socio-economic activity, which provide a reduction in transaction costs, operating and capital costs due to remote control, an increase in data volumes and opportunities for deep analytics, machine interaction, predictive maintenance objects, and also build trust between users by increasing the transparency of communications, they can increase the effectiveness of this interaction (including cross-border business, the scientific and educational community, the state and citizens), often by eliminating intermediaries in communication and increasing its speed. The adoption of digital technology alone does not guarantee an increase in operational efficiency or productivity of labor and capital. The companies are facing an extraordinary task, requiring an individual approach and careful analysis, optimization of business processes, training and working with staff, updating technical equipment and service methodology. In order for a “smart digital system” to start working efficiently and bring “digital dividends”, it must be “smartly” designed and operated not only by “smart” equipment, but also by “smart”, that is, trained or trained users. And this is undoubtedly a real challenge - how to use digital technology for the benefit of the company and society, given the fact that the transition to these technologies involves significant investment and should be economically and politically justified. "

[grumbler]

It’s not clear to me why I need it "clearing"? (after all, if this is a "digital" range, that is, then there will be enough space for everyone, or is it just "physics" that interferes?). Considering how important IT technologies are for business and government, is it possible to build work on the principles of public-private partnership,
when resources and infrastructure would be used jointly by commercial companies and the state ?:
- The state, with the support of leading commercial telecommunications companies, is creating hub data centers and thick communication channels. Holds and monitors the main information flows.
- Merchants will be able to build their services, relying on the infrastructure created by the government and corporations and under the cyber protection of the government.
Constantly contributing to the expansion and complication of the network, and pay for its maintenance at the expense of profit from the provision of commercial services.
“State, the military, due to rapidly developing commercial systems, will receive a very stable data exchange and storage system, due to its distribution and a continuously complicated dynamic structure.”
Such a system will be much more resistant to attacks - thanks to the huge number of "workarounds", multiple backups of disparate data on different nodes (this will make it much more difficult to destroy and eavesdrop / steal data).
It is one thing when the enemy knows that "this is a super-secret cable" or "this is the data center of the mines of defense" - he can be targeted by attack. But when you have a dozen data centers in front of you, thousands of connections are connected and secret data is transmitted in a disparate form, "mixed" into the flow of commercial data
(streaming video, music, messages, games, signals from street surveillance cameras, data exchange between networks, smart home / transport / city control, telemetry of industrial equipment, scientific data, ...) it becomes impossible to even understand what "among this trash" to steal or eavesdrop. (but I'm a dunduk in the networks, Oliferov has not mastered it yet).

[grumbler]

To the topic:
“Putin imposed the“ Agree ”resolution on a letter from the Security Council with a negative position on the allocation of 3,4-3,8 GHz frequencies for the development of fifth-generation (5G) communication networks in Russia. Four people told Vedomosti: an employee of one of the departments, an employee of a telecom operator, an employee of one of the telecommunications companies and an acquaintance of other participants in the discussion of 5G in Russia.The authors of the letter also considered that it was impossible to use the band together - for the development of 5G and the current service of departments on these frequencies, two interlocutors of Vedomosti said.
(https://www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2019/08/14/808820-putin-ne-otdaet)

We have the range 3,4–3,8 GHz used by the Ministry of Defense and Roscosmos, and the alternative 4,4–4,99 GHz is often used for on-board aircraft electrical equipment.