Luxembourg court obliges Gazprom to pay 2,6 billion dollars to Naftogaz

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Today it became known about the July decision in a Luxembourg court regarding the lawsuit of the Ukrainian Naftogaz against the Russian Gazprom. Interfax News Service reports that on July 8, a Luxembourg court decided to reject Gazprom’s motion to challenge the earlier decision. We are talking about a decision whereby the Stockholm Arbitration Court is “allowed” to recover 2,6 billion dollars from a Russian company.

Luxembourg court obliges Gazprom to pay 2,6 billion dollars to Naftogaz




At the same time, the Ukrainian side turned to Luxembourg banks lending to Gazprom projects, setting itself the goal of freezing the assets of the Russian gas giant in Europe, primarily in Luxembourg itself. Gazprom filed a lawsuit in Luxembourg in the hope of challenging the measures taken by the Ukrainian side. The Ukrainian side at the same time stated that it was acting on the basis of a decision of the arbitration.

Initially, the Stockholm arbitration ordered Gazprom to pay Naftogaz 4,63 billion dollars for "short supply of gas for transit." Earlier, the court confirmed the Ukrainian side’s debt for gas supplies of approximately $ 2 billion. As a result, Gazprom, as decided in Europe, “owed” to Naftogaz the mentioned 2,6 billion.

The Russian company has expressed that they will continue to take measures to appeal this decision.

Moreover, in the expert environment, analyzing the actions of Naftogaz, they characterize it this way: they saw the branch on which they sit. Naftogaz, seeking billions of dollars in compensation from Russian Gazprom for Russian gas, is also trying to get Gazprom to obtain a (long-term) contract that is beneficial to itself. Gazprom hypothetically, of course, could pay Naftogaz these 2,6 billion, but only this could be the last profit of the Ukrainian oil and gas company ...
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    1. +95
      14 August 2019 17: 14
      First question: what is Luxembourg? Spit on the map. Nothing to do with either Russia or Ukraine. But this leads to a second question, which is much more important: Why does Gazprom, which calls itself a national treasure of Russia, keep money abroad? Isn't it time to completely nationalize this sharashkin's office?
      1. +21
        14 August 2019 17: 17
        hi Nothing to add, That's right.
        1. +21
          14 August 2019 18: 59
          When big money is at stake, another question is for what purpose and by whom something is being done.
          Example. For many, many years Ukraine received gas at 50. More precisely, at 50 it paid for the volume for which it wished to pay, the rest of the volume was taken away for nothing. And then Bandera began to shout that the damned Muscovites still have a lot, it is necessary to separate the transit contract from the supply contract and charge for transit at world prices. Yushchenko signed such agreements. Peremoga. But it turned out that gas now costs 250 and the possibilities of theft have decreased slightly. While the svidomites were shouting: "And what about us?", The financial monitoring, a subordinate of VorYulya, found out that 1bn went to Yushchenko's accounts. American money from Gazprom. Crops for sebe - nobody canceled.
          $ 2.6 billion is a lot of money, but Russia loses / acquires such money on short-term currency fluctuations. And the very decision of this court is on time as never before. Now it can be said at any level that it is impossible to conclude a transit agreement with Ukraine. In January - there is no contract and no supplies. Inexpensive price for dropping yoke, bandera-fascist yoke.
          But questions remain. Prime Minister Medvedev promoted that he was imposing sanctions on the supply of energy resources to Ukraine, but gasoline became even cheaper after the announced date for the introduction of sanctions in Ukraine. "Special permissions" from him? Other previously imposed sanctions have been lifted. Let's see if there will be a "planned replacement" in September.
          1. -1
            14 August 2019 22: 05
            Quote: Nikolai S.
            Prime Minister Medvedev has promoted that he will impose sanctions on the supply of energy resources to Ukraine, but gasoline has become even cheaper after the announced date of the introduction of sanctions in Ukraine

            Oil companies supplying oil to Ukraine paid compensation to Ukraine for chlorine in oil.
            Russia has paid compensation to Ukraine in the amount of 2,3 million euros for the pollution of the Druzhba pipeline. This amount made it possible to cover the lost income of the company.

            OJSC "Transneft" paid to "Ukrtransnafta"
            and we also learned that oil transit is quiet. And deliveries even reduced oil prices from Russia.
        2. tap
          +2
          15 August 2019 06: 12
          "while seeking from the Russian" Gazprom "billions of dollars in" compensation "for the Russian gas, while trying to get from" Gazprom "and a profitable (long-term) contract" Will achieve. Gazprom is kind.
      2. +58
        14 August 2019 17: 19
        This is not a spit on the map, but a spit for us, the inhabitants of Russia. And the result of flirting the Kremlin with ... pah-partners ... PACE and other shobla.
        1. +13
          14 August 2019 17: 22
          Quote: 210ox
          This is not a spit on the map, but a spit for us, the inhabitants of Russia. And the result of flirting the Kremlin with ... pah-partners ... PACE and other shobla.

          This is the bondage imposed on us in the 90s, it is called jurisdiction!
          1. +4
            14 August 2019 18: 52
            Quote: neri73-r
            This is the bondage imposed on us in the 90s, it is called jurisdiction!

            In 2017–2018, Russians were among the three most active debaters in the Commercial Court of England and Wales.
            And this is probably the bondage imposed on the zero, etc.
            1. -2
              14 August 2019 19: 28
              Quote: naidas
              In 2017–2018, Russians were among the three most active debaters in the Commercial Court of England and Wales.

              My friends and I, except that I had business with the district police officer, but here such matters recourse . Probably entot court is even cooler than our precinct.
              1. +4
                14 August 2019 19: 45
                Quote: sir.jonn
                Probably entot court is even cooler than the regional one

                Take it higher than the arbitration one. The Russian judges are armed not only with laws, but also with their opinions. As the authority in the mantle with many years of experience said, you are tormented by swallowing dust.
            2. +2
              14 August 2019 19: 55
              Quote: naidas
              In 2017–2018, Russians were among the three most active debaters in the Commercial Court of England and Wales.

              I think you should not confuse the thief (who voluntarily entered the top three and sue in England) with the responsibility of jurisdiction and registration of our largest national companies abroad, although there are a lot of thieves in the manual. We were simply forced to do this by Anglo-Saxon democratic well-wishers to keep under control. Gazprom and this court are just a classic example of Anglo-Saxon law and the justice of their court, well, when only a gentleman is right, not an aborigine. In all these agreements, foreign jurisdiction is directly spelled out, the main thing there is that the courts of Russia would not. We barely had time for Yukos to take the internationalists from these liberals, otherwise all the oil from the Anglo-Saxons would be owned.
              1. +4
                14 August 2019 20: 23
                Sorry, since I offended, I don’t know how foreign judges, but we had arbitration and civil practice with us. Of course, Judge Khakhaleva will judge as it should.
        2. +16
          14 August 2019 17: 45
          Actually, on our part there should have been no proposals for a favorable price for gas until this lawsuit is withdrawn.
          1. +12
            14 August 2019 18: 54
            And why does not the collection of money from Ukraine continue for non-purchase of gas on the basis of the "Take or pay" principle ... Is this point spelled out in the agreement? Why is everyone silent ... This is a direct norm ... Where are Gazprom's claims? There the amount is many times greater ...
            1. +5
              14 August 2019 20: 59
              Quote: VO3A
              And why does not the collection of money from Ukraine continue for non-purchase of gas on the basis of the "Take or pay" principle ... Is this point spelled out in the agreement? Why is everyone silent ... This is a direct norm ... Where are Gazprom's claims? There the amount is many times greater ...

              So there was a court on the claim of Gazprom on the clause of the "Take or pay" agreement, and the whole point of fun is that it was partially rejected. poor economic environment in Ukraine ... good wording, right?

              Taking into account the partial amount previously awarded in favor of Gazprom under the supply contract (on the take-or-pay basis), the arbitrators set off counter claims, following which Gazprom was obliged to pay Naftogaz $ 2,56 billion.

              Such a decision in the Stockholm arbitration was associated with the arguments of the representatives of Naftogaz about the deterioration of the situation in the Ukrainian economy and the reduction of necessary energy resources for it.

              Gazprom declares its disagreement with this kind of argument.

              From the message of "Gazprom":
              Earlier, the same arbitrators agreed with the arguments of Naftogaz about a sharp deterioration in the state of the Ukrainian economy, which led to a decrease in demand for gas and non-fulfillment of Naftogaz's obligations to take gas. However, this argument was not taken into account with regard to Gazprom, which cited a decrease in purchases by the company's European clients as the main reason for the decrease in transit through Ukraine.


              Like this. The same arbitrators, but the decisions are clearly according to the situation.
              forget about an honest and impartial court in the west. He is not there!
              1. -1
                14 August 2019 21: 01
                To go to another court, to the third ... In the end, go to your court, sue and confiscate all the assets of Ukrainian companies with us .... And let the Ukrainians dispute the decision in the world, do not dispute, it will be legally correct and valid. ..You have read Medvedev and outline Miller ....
                1. +3
                  14 August 2019 21: 14
                  To international courts is useless. The result will be the same, the maximum that they can do is delay the decisions, which they did when they appealed to the Svea County Court of Appeals.
                  We need to draw conclusions and not repeat mistakes in future contracts, especially in the future ..
                  And I support, start already responding to Ukrainian companies with sanctions, really responding, not threatening.
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2019 21: 26
                    And pi_ndosam to international courts on ... do not care ... And so we can decide ...
                2. NKT
                  +1
                  14 August 2019 21: 23
                  Gazprom has already filed a lawsuit on the collection of money for "take or pay." Everyone somehow forgot that the court reduced volumes by 10 times to 5 billion m3, however, the obligations themselves remained, and 404, for joy, did not comply with the arbitration decision and did not purchase gas from the Russian Federation. Amount of claim $ 2.1 billion
                  1. -1
                    14 August 2019 21: 53
                    The prospects for this lawsuit are incomprehensible.
                    In short, in March 2018, Gazprom refused to supply gas without additional agreement, although Naftogaz has already transferred money to Gazprom as an advance payment.
                    . Earlier it became known that on March 1, Gazprom refused to resume the supply of Russian gas to Ukraine. Naftogaz even transferred funds to the Russian counterparty to pay for the March deliveries, but Gazprom refused to start deliveries due to the lack of an additional agreement to the current contract.

                    Alexander Medvedev, deputy chairman of the holding’s board, confirmed to reporters that the Russian monopoly received money for March deliveries from Naftogaz.


                    https://m.gazeta.ru/business/2018/03/01/11667625.shtml
                    So first you need to look - did the court decision really require additional agreement?
                    1. NKT
                      -2
                      14 August 2019 22: 21
                      I think that this automatically follows from the court decision. Otherwise, how then to change both prices and volumes and obligations under the existing contract?
                      Attach an arbitration decision to the paychecks? Based on the decision of the arbitration, clauses of the contract are changed in the form of additional. agreement, how else?
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                      2. -2
                        14 August 2019 22: 35
                        In such matters, no one is interested in our opinion.
                        And what exactly is written in the decision of the arbitration on this part, we do not know.
                        If it is explicitly written that the additional agreement should be, the Ukrainians hit.
                        And if not, then there are many options, including the one that Gazprom itself got money again, if Naftogaz filed a counterclaim for non-delivery of gas

                        And you can’t say that Naftogaz forgot or refused to buy, as you wrote, he transferred the money in advance.
                        Therefore, I wrote that the prospects are incomprehensible
                      3. +1
                        14 August 2019 23: 17
                        how else?

                        As easy as pie. A court decision is a direct action norm, it does not require any additional agreements.
              2. +1
                14 August 2019 21: 37
                West is a big dump! Disgusting greedy people!
              3. -1
                14 August 2019 21: 50
                Quote: Orkraider
                This was the court on the claim of Gazprom on the clause of the agreement "Take or pay"

                That's just the opportunity to resubmit.
        3. +5
          14 August 2019 17: 58
          Quote: 210ox
          This is not a spit on the map, but a spit for us, the inhabitants of Russia. And the result of flirting the Kremlin with ... pah-partners ... PACE and other shobla.

          That's for sure! Ukraine is very expensive for us .. if you recall the multi-way, when Yanukovych was about to run away, and our wise government gave him a loan of 15 lard ..
          1. +2
            14 August 2019 18: 27
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: 210ox
            This is not a spit on the map, but a spit for us, the inhabitants of Russia. And the result of flirting the Kremlin with ... pah-partners ... PACE and other shobla.

            That's for sure! Ukraine is very expensive for us .. if you recall the multi-way, when Yanukovych was about to run away, and our wise government gave him a loan of 15 lard ..

            Our wise what the government gave a three billion dollar loan for securities, for the reconstruction of industry (mainly for military purposes) where Russian orders were located ... This is Ukraine's debt to Russia .. not forgiven and interest drips every single day .. We were going to give 15 billion, but not gave .. "Mnoghodovochka" with Ukraine, ended with Sevastopol and Crimea, continues Donetsk and Lugansk regions. And Ukraine is not over ... If you have a recipe for ending events in Ukraine, share your "vision"! hi
            Yes, Yanukovych does not care deeply .. lol
            1. +3
              14 August 2019 18: 43
              for the reconstruction of industry (mainly military) where Russian orders were located ...

              Yes, this loan was given to maintain the pants, like all the others received by Ukraine and not for any reconstruction.
              1. 0
                14 August 2019 18: 51
                It was supposed to modernize "Zorya - Mashproekt" Nikolaev .. ship power plants .. And in Zaporozhye engines for helicopters ... The fact that the money was stolen by the Ukrainians is another story ... our swallows, too, are not ashamed!
                1. +2
                  14 August 2019 21: 57
                  It is not true. It was a sovereign loan for current needs. The Ukrainian government would have disposed of it at its own discretion, and the main need was to maintain gold reserves, which were washed out in order to maintain a stable hryvnia exchange rate with a negative trade balance and space gas prices. It was precisely an injection to maintain the pants and used it for its intended purpose.
          2. 0
            14 August 2019 23: 27
            ,, Ukraine is very expensive for us ,,
            I support you, completely! Maybe enough to tell us tales of ,, Slavic brotherhood ,,? For 200 years, we have been told fables about ,, Bulgarian grandmothers ,, These ,, little brothers, ”even managed to fight on the side of Hitler, by the way ..
        4. +2
          14 August 2019 23: 23
          Speaking of PACE!
          Recently, I saw Oksana Pushkina, a TV presenter among our representatives in PACE. I have one question, what is she doing there? .. She is an international lawyer, economist, political scientist? .. Who is she ?! What is doing there?! .. Why do I have to pay taxes on its maintenance? ..
          1. +1
            16 August 2019 00: 28
            So what kind of organization - such are the delegates, well, why and what and "Oksan" we have more than ...!
      3. -2
        14 August 2019 17: 25
        He doesn’t keep, but Luxembourg credits him
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          1. +3
            14 August 2019 17: 32
            Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
            They are already tired of "arresting". Have you paid for once ?!

            wait and see. And how many assurances were there of the impossibility of this? But no, it happened. And what about Western investors regarding non-payers? And the reputation of the "public domain" does not count?
            It’s true that one can get into the state’s pocket and compensate for material and image losses
            1. -5
              14 August 2019 17: 34
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
              They are already tired of "arresting". Have you paid for once ?!

              wait and see. And how many assurances were there of the impossibility of this? But no, it happened

              Buy binoculars for now.
              1. +3
                14 August 2019 17: 46
                Quote: Andrey Chistyakov
                Buy binoculars for now.

                Binoculars are not needed, visible to the naked eye! The philosophy of the gopnik and the scam is the most lively. I believe that Miller does not share your beliefs and will send the money in the specified time.
            2. +7
              14 August 2019 18: 00
              . And what about Western investors regarding non-payers?

              What did I miss, but Ukraine turned 3 lard? And how do "Western investors" view this?
        2. -2
          14 August 2019 18: 31
          If assets are frozen, transit through Ukraine will be blocked and it will come out sideways.
        3. 0
          14 August 2019 22: 09
          Quote: Silvestr
          Where are these experienced managers and lawyers who are paid crazy money just because.

          in a dispute between Ukraine and the Russian Federation, these are usually large London and American law firms. Moreover, Gazprom is almost always London. And they repeatedly won the courts until 2014.
          Very expensive office. Her clients usually always win.
      5. +10
        14 August 2019 17: 35
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        Why does Gazprom, which calls itself a national treasure of Russia, keep money abroad?

        Before the list - the serial number of the company in the list of "Gazprom"
        160. BSPС BV (KSN Blue Stream) Gazprom’s share is less than or equal to 50%

        161. Eesti Gaas (AO) Gazprom’s share is less than or equal to 50%

        162. Gazprom (UK) Limited wholly owned

        163. Gazprom EP International BV wholly owned

        164. Gazprom Finance BV wholly-owned equity

        165. Gazprom Germania GmbH www.gazprom-germania.de other companies affiliated with OAO Gazprom (subsidiaries and affiliates)

        166. Gazprom Marketing & Trading Ltd. www.gazprom-mt.com other companies affiliated with OJSC Gazprom (subsidiaries and affiliates)

        167. Gazprom Sakhalin Holdings BV XNUMX% equity

        168. Interconnector (UK) Limited Gazprom's stake is less than or equal to 50%

        169. Nord Stream AG www.nord-stream.com Gazprom's share of more than 50%

        170. RosUkrEnergo AG www.rosukrenergo.ch Gazprom's share is less than or equal to 50%

        171. Shtokman Development AG www.shtokman.ru Gazprom share of more than 50%

        172. South Stream Austria GmbH Gazprom share less than or equal to 50%

        173. South Stream Bulgaria AD the share of Gazprom is less than or equal to 50%

        174. South Stream Greece SA Gazprom share is less than or equal to 50%

        175. South Stream Hungary Zrt Gazprom share is less than or equal to 50%

        176. South Stream Serbia AG Gazprom's share of more than 50%

        177. Stella Vitae (CJSC) the share of Gazprom is less than or equal to 50%

        178. Wingas GmbH www.wingas.de other companies affiliated with OAO Gazprom (subsidiaries and affiliates)

        179. ZMB (Schweiz) AG www.zmb-schweiz.ch other companies affiliated with OAO Gazprom (subsidiaries and affiliates)

        180. ZMB GmbH other companies affiliated with OAO Gazprom (subsidiaries and affiliates)

        And where to store money and conduct settlements for these companies?
        1. 0
          14 August 2019 19: 10
          But the screamers do not care, the main thing is to shout.
      6. +11
        14 August 2019 17: 45
        Luxembourg is a pan-European offshore and the largest financial center after London. And Gazprom is a state-owned company, but without money abroad, even the USSR could not do anything, neither buy nor sell anything. You are talking nonsense.
      7. -8
        14 August 2019 17: 48
        You are right, it has long been known that the state is the most effective business leader
      8. +2
        14 August 2019 18: 01
        But interestingly, this is a spit on the map, more precisely, its banks lend to Gazprom projects. Sami apparently can not afford. How complicated it is. In all European courts, there was no trial of the end of the region.
      9. -4
        14 August 2019 19: 38
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        Is it time to completely nationalize this Sharashkin office?

        Now, the train with V.I. Ulyanov-Lenin will arrive at the Finnish station and your dream will come true.
        I wonder how you imagine "nationalization" in a bourgeois state? It must be understood that one group of owners must voluntarily transfer assets to another group, but what do you yourself think about these groups? It's funny to hear about nationalization, after our people themselves wanted to live under capitalism, voluntarily transferred their property to the crooks, and when I realized what it was, I suddenly remembered about the Bolsheviks, from whom they expect a new revolution.
        Do you seriously believe that the current oligarchs will allow nationalization - do not tell, or do you hope that Grudin will hold it for you?
        1. 0
          14 August 2019 22: 13
          Quote: ccsr
          I wonder how you imagine "nationalization" in a bourgeois state? It must be understood that one group of owners must voluntarily transfer assets to another group, but what do you yourself think about these groups? It's funny to hear about nationalization, after our people themselves wanted to live under capitalism, voluntarily transferred their property to the crooks, and when I realized what it was, I suddenly remembered about the Bolsheviks, from whom they expect a new revolution.

          Well, probably how Kolomoisky gave Privat for 1 UAH. (though with a debt, but they effectively got out of it, focus with papers)
          And nothing - the country's largest bank is the most profitable bank this year, as in the previous ones.
          But it is not always possible to print papers and freeze them for such "Nationalization".
          Owners and the right to property is enshrined in the Constitution and laws.
          Another thing is when the state machine .... jokes are bad with it.
          But it’s completely different when the state machine is just a big business tool for conducting its policy.
          1. -1
            15 August 2019 10: 52
            Quote: Antares
            But it’s completely different when the state machine is just a big business tool for conducting its policy.

            So this is evident in today's Russia, which is why the word "nationalization" is simply inappropriate. If progressive taxation or natural rent cannot be introduced, then what are we talking about at all?
      10. +3
        14 August 2019 20: 29
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        First question: what is Luxembourg? Spit on the map.

        Oh oh Luxembourg is a member of the EU! There is a court of the European Communities, in fact a court of the EU !!!
        The seat of the Court of Justice of the European Union is the city of Luxembourg.

        The “Court of Justice of the European Union” is a characteristic of the entire justice system that is currently in the EU structure.
        Quote: Stroibat stock
        Why does Gazprom, which calls itself a national treasure of Russia, keep money abroad?

        In European banks, including banks in Luxembourg, Gazprom has opened cor. accounts for servicing contracts signed with European companies. Payment is in euros, to pay for contracts, counterparty banks are needed, analogy with the dollar and cor. bank accounts in America.

        Quote: Stroibat stock
        Is it time to completely nationalize this Sharashkin office?

        Nationalize! So, what is next? To do business with the West, you will still need cor. accounts and western banks. You don't have to fight the effect, you have to deal with the cause. It is high time to end with the "huntyuyushchy brothers" !!! hi
        1. -1
          16 August 2019 14: 28
          Well, yes, it’s impossible to transfer money to our banks ... it all depends on the will of the owner of the goods. For a long time it was necessary to accustom to pay in domestic banks. just someone is not profitable ...
      11. -4
        14 August 2019 21: 35
        I would say that under sanctions it is easier to consider foreign jurisdiction insignificant. But the loot that they keep in the West as a company and as private individuals makes the company dependent on the West, as well as focus on the Western market.
      12. -2
        15 August 2019 10: 05
        Gazprom Management Alexey Miller asked the government to support the projects of the giant gas processing and liquefaction complex and the country's largest gas chemical complex, which are supposed to be built on the Baltic Sea near Ust-Luga. Both projects are invited to assign the status of "having national importance for the economy", follows from a letter from Miller to Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
        As of June 2017, the only shareholder of Rusgazdobycha is National Gas Group LLC (NGG). Previously, it was controlled by Arkady Rotenberg.
        Where to get funds for VEB, Miller does not write. But in June, Deputy Finance Minister Andrei Ivanov said that funds for the National Welfare Fund (NWF) could be used to finance the complex in Ust-Lug, while Siluanov also allowed this.
        Products will be exported to European consumers


        Our resources are sold over a hill .. they take the loot for themselves, buying mansions and yachts for it ..
        At the same time, even funds for construction are again withdrawn from the people (at least with the same pensions) ..
        "European consumer" rejoices ..
        Well, the "people" are left with such news .. where some Luxembourg .. made a decision ..
        that it’s necessary to fuck some more money from Raska .. little Ivan plows ..
    2. +13
      14 August 2019 17: 15
      And about three lard plus interest on the debt of Ukraine, Russia everyone forgot? So will chew snot? Although what am I talking about? There is a state debt, you can forgive.
      1. -3
        14 August 2019 17: 32
        Do not confuse personal and state ... State debt is 100% state debt .. And a lost court for Gazprom (in which the state holds 50% and the rest are other shareholders) are not paid dividends. Moreover, top managers and holders of privileged shares will receive their money in any case.
        1. +5
          14 August 2019 17: 45
          I am not confusing, making an analogy. Something for the state debt, no one wants to run around the courts, and the losses of the "servants" of the "property of the people" are trying to present as losses only to the state, and all kinds of appeals are filed with the courts there
      2. -2
        14 August 2019 17: 36
        About those three lard debt will be silent at least until the next elections in Ukraine, but, if suddenly a pro-Russian candidate wins (which is unlikely), then, from the noble shoulder, this debt will be written off! laughing
    3. 0
      14 August 2019 17: 15
      Hypothetically, Gazprom can, of course, go to pay Naftogaz these 2,6 billion, but only this may turn out to be the last profit of the Ukrainian oil and gas company ...
      Walk the flaw, we live once.
      1. +1
        14 August 2019 18: 20
        They live today, snatch and dump ... We must also take into account that the counterclaim for take or pay from Gazprom was rejected, which clearly indicates a biased attitude. the same situation with Boeing is similar.
    4. PPD
      +1
      14 August 2019 17: 17
      When the Lord wants to punish, deprives the mind!
      Submit to the courts and seek discounts ???
      1. 0
        14 August 2019 17: 28
        Well, if we consider the actions of the "national estate" .. That for what and not .. Look how the transit rhetoric has changed recently.
    5. +8
      14 August 2019 17: 21
      "Naftogaz", seeking from the Russian "Gazprom" billions of dollars in "compensation" for Russian gas, while trying to get from "Gazprom" also a profitable (long-term) contract. Hypothetically, Gazprom can, of course, go to pay Naftogaz these 2,6 billion, but only this may turn out to be the last profit of the Ukrainian oil and gas company ...

      Will Gazprom ever end this masochism? It’s not even funny. You have to respect yourself at least a little, otherwise nobody will respect and there will always be such a ridiculous humiliating even absurd situation when the supplier still has to. And if all the other gas buyers decide what does Gazprom owe them, will we also pay all the suppliers and trade ourselves at a minus? Well, you can’t do it this way. This is already frank madness. We are building gas bypass pipelines and gas bypassing Ukraine, let it redeem it at exorbitant prices for those who will have it directly from Russia to buy, as it is now. What's the matter? It's time to end this absurdity.
      1. +5
        14 August 2019 18: 39
        Quote: Sky Strike fighter
        Will Gazprom ever end this masochism? It's not even funny. We must respect ourselves at least a little, otherwise no one will respect

        And what you wanted is a natural consequence of previous events. Our country has already shown its readiness to humiliate itself, at least this is how it looks from the outside. When our team was removed from the Olympics in Korea, it was a test. The country has shown that we have a lot of people ready to humiliate themselves by speaking under the white cloth of the Olympic movement. Our country has thus recognized its subordinate position before the jurisdiction of the "IOC" and other shobola. And so that everyone could understand what Russia was humiliated in, for this they raised the question "that the IOC will possibly allow the Russian Olympians to pass at the closing ceremony under the flag of their country." Think about it - the IOC decides whether to raise its flag to Russia or not !!! And so that it would finally become clear to everyone that the Russian athletes had dunked their country in shit, at the end of the Olympiad, all charges were turned on "back", emphasizing the worthlessness of evidence of false accusations invented by this Rodchenkov.

        If in Russia there are so many traitors to the interests of the country and bastards, then why not (Russia) dunk its face on the table one more time. Here you have a Russian girl still humiliating from Naftogaz.

        Did everyone remember their position on sending athletes to the Olympics under a white rag? Each iron, not to mention the blue box, was broadcasting and screaming as it should, poor athletes must go to dunk shit in the country that gave them everything. Haha, they say, she gave everything, by the way they don’t think so, because they all achieved it themselves, all at their own expense. That part is true. Well, the fact that the state, in principle, made it possible for them to engage in sport and fulfill this dream, they don’t remember. For them, it is a dream to go out for personal ambitions, and not an honorable opportunity to defend the honor of their great country!

        PS
        It happened a long time. But for me, the connection between the Olympiad and humiliating lawsuits is quite obvious. If you are ready to humiliate yourself, please be so kind as not to interfere with the gentlemen and wipe your feet further on us. And preferably pay for it yourself ...
    6. +6
      14 August 2019 17: 21
      "Gazprom" hypothetically, of course, can go to pay "Naftogaz" these 2,6 billion, but only this could be the last profit of the Ukrainian oil and gas company ...
      The Germans /// and Europeans in general /// immediately said that a joint venture is possible only if transit through Ukraine is preserved. So there will be more contracts. If anything, then Burkhalter will come again and confirm.
      Luxembourg banks lending projects to Gazprom
      What independence can we talk about if the duke lends money to our supercompany?
      1. -1
        14 August 2019 17: 28
        Nope. It’s just that they will complete the joint venture this year, but the network in Germany is only in the 21, so transit remains for now. But the Germans just do not make any demands for transit through a rusty pipe - if it bursts tomorrow, then the energy catastrophe is not waiting for the Russian Federation, namely Germany, but they are not suicides. There were no transit conditions
        1. -1
          14 August 2019 17: 52
          Oh really ?

          “Continuing gas transit through Ukraine after 2020 is a priority for the EU.” Vice-President of the European Commission for the Energy Union Marosh Shefchovich.
          Berlin's position remains unchanged: Ukraine must retain the role of gas transit even after the completion of the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline.German Government Speaker Steffen Seibert
          1. -2
            14 August 2019 18: 01
            This is not a CONDITION, but a purely populist statement, in no way linked to Germany’s lobbying for the SP-2.
            1. +1
              14 August 2019 18: 09
              In June, there were negotiations in Moscow on this topic. Shefchovich confirmed his position on this issue. This is precisely the condition put forward at these negotiations and voiced at the final briefing.
              Too lazy to look, but Merkel has repeatedly spoken out in the same vein and other European politicians. And this is not populism, but they do not want to store their eggs in the same basket /// ///.
              1. -2
                14 August 2019 18: 13
                Well, let’s talk about Merkel’s eggs later, however, I’ll notice that when Gazprom put a bolt on the extension of the transit agreement, and the USA DEMANDED Germany to block the joint venture, it was Germany that sent the United States to the south, and there weren’t any songs about the transit condition.
                Again. gas for them is a threshold condition for energy security. Insisting on emergency gas transit for them is the same as strangling themselves
                1. -1
                  14 August 2019 18: 34
                  Quote: RWMos
                  Again. gas for them is a threshold condition for energy security. Insisting on emergency gas transit for them is the same as strangling themselves

                  Correctly. Therefore, Deutsche Bank AG /// with the support of the German government /// and Ukrtrasgaz began the reconstruction of compressor stations. Most of the funds for this project are German, equipment too.
                  1. -2
                    14 August 2019 18: 43
                    I remember it. Only this was in the 2016 year, and there is NO reconstruction in the 2018 year, Germany is already pressing Ukraine:
                    Speaker of the German government Steffen Seibert at a briefing following the meeting between Merkel and Putin recalled that Ukraine must modernize gas transmission system in order to create conditions for long-term gas transit.

                    "Ukraine, of course, and we talked about this earlier, must carry out reforms in the gas transit system in order to create conditions for long-term gas transit," Seibert said.

                    But there is no modernization:
                    In particular, the reconstruction of four compressor stations is envisaged: Yagotin, Dikanka, Romny and CC 4 Bilche-Volitsa. In the reconstruction of compression stations in 2018-2020, they plan to invest more than seven billion hryvnias.

                    There are plans. no sense.
                    1. 0
                      14 August 2019 19: 09
                      Quote: RWMos
                      There are plans. no sense.

                      Money has been allocated, equipment has been brought in and work is underway. Work on the first station seems so long, because it is a pilot project. A project and all kinds of approvals are required. Well, it's like the first ship in a series.
                      So Germany, as you put it, does not press, but allocated money to its German company. The firm is very serious and is unlikely to refuse such profit. This means that the work under the contract will be completed on time. Of course, I would really like everything there to rust, but the reality is a little different. And in putting forward the condition of maintaining the "Ukrainian transit" at the talks, the Europeans are not playing on populism, not bluffing. And they have a technical justification for the continuation of such transit.
                      1. +1
                        14 August 2019 19: 15
                        laughing
                        The condition for the PROLONGATION of transit is the repair of the GTS. The contract expires in six months. NO REPAIR. The condition is NOT fulfilled. Extension is IMPOSSIBLE!
                        Everything else is fairy tales about a white bull, money was allocated back in 2016, but it was stolen. No "pilot" repairs are required - this is a proven technology - current repairs.
                        It’s like if you will be piloting winter tires, first one, and rub the gaer. Or pilot a glass of gasoline in a tank fill up - and the rest is like something later.
                        EVERYTHING, the condition is NOT fulfilled, as Germany recalled to Ukraine in the 2018 year
                      2. -2
                        14 August 2019 21: 09
                        WARSAW, August 14 - RIA Novosti. Warsaw plans to significantly raise the price for the transit of Russian gas through the Yamal-Europe pipeline, said the Polish government's plenipotentiary for energy infrastructure, Piotr Naimsky.

                        Tadam! Germany REALLY needs transit through Ukra and Poland. The more expensive gas, the better for Germany
    7. -8
      14 August 2019 17: 29
      Luxembourg laughing

      Unfinished the size of a country toilet)))
      From which banana did they think they were deciding something?

      And where are our 3 Lardas that the Sumerians have poked in their pockets?
      1. -1
        14 August 2019 18: 22
        it’s just that in the following agreements another court will be indicated when resolving disputes.
      2. +2
        14 August 2019 18: 39
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        Luxembourg laughing

        Unfinished the size of a country toilet)))
        From which banana did they think they were deciding something?

        And where are our 3 Lardas that the Sumerians have poked in their pockets?

        It’s not finished with a country toilet - it’s beautifully said, if you don’t take into account that it’s the toilet that the great Gazprom asks for credit (money), well, if you take into account the living standards of the citizens of this toilet — the question is who lives in a profitable hole this outhouse
        1. -3
          14 August 2019 20: 23
          I’ve heard about credit for the first time, and this land kliftik, which can be walked up and down in a day, lives at the expense of banks, and not even its own. Blood-sucking bugs, sir))
    8. -4
      14 August 2019 17: 31
      Such news! Skakuasy probably covered all the monitors and keyboards for joy. Now I’ll go to the apostrophe to see.
    9. +4
      14 August 2019 17: 32
      While Miller is at the helm, Naftogaz has nothing to worry about, he will pay, and he will also make a discount on future good for Russian gas. We need to check this Miller, I do not like him.
    10. +14
      14 August 2019 17: 43
      Gazprom is more like a "sucker" selling gas and still owes it for it. Our "heritage" is not feeble. fool
      1. +5
        14 August 2019 17: 49
        Alas, this "property" is not with us. They have.
      2. +2
        14 August 2019 18: 07
        Quote: afrikanez
        Gazprom is more like a "sucker" selling gas and still owes it for it.

        And it reminds me of a bunch of fake (in the 90s with EBN) owners of shares, where 50% of the people belong to the state, and of these, handouts in the form of assistance in the construction of playgrounds are actually given to the needs of this owner of the subsoil.
        Our assets are in the hands, pockets and pants. Everything else is listed in registers.
      3. 0
        14 August 2019 18: 24
        Do we have a choice? until alternative flows are built up, they will press us and put pressure on us.
      4. 0
        16 August 2019 00: 40
        And who does not have this frail "property" but you also have "Zenith" and Lakhta Center and more and more ...! And we have no forging!
    11. -2
      14 August 2019 17: 55
      Condemned in the offshore. Cool ...
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    13. -1
      14 August 2019 18: 12
      Gazprom Asset Hearing Calls for December! Here you are, grandmother, and St. George's Day!
      1. -4
        14 August 2019 18: 51
        Yes, let them arrest the assets of the bourgeoisie anyway
    14. DK
      -2
      14 August 2019 18: 28
      There is no reason to worry, the Hatsapetovka Supreme Court overturned the decision of the Luxembourg court;)
    15. -2
      14 August 2019 18: 30
      It is necessary to withdraw all assets from European jurisdictions until all have been taken away. Go East - Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong ... Are there many offshore companies in the world? If Europeans are engaged in such garbage, let them sit and smoke bamboo ...
      1. -2
        14 August 2019 19: 23
        Quote: Klim Chugunkin
        It is necessary to withdraw all assets from European jurisdictions until all have been taken away. Go East - Dubai, Singapore, Hong Kong ... Are there many offshore companies in the world? If Europeans are engaged in such garbage, let them sit and smoke bamboo ...

        And what do you think is something wrong in the east?
        In the same way they will arrest, everyone near London and New York go.
    16. -8
      14 August 2019 18: 40
      Something is not enough ..)))) Khodorkovsky won 50 billion, Russia sued a modest Jew ...! laughing
      Something I like more and more the saying "Do not do good, you will not get evil .."
      In line "gentlemen", soon we will feel with genes to pay off all at once!
    17. 0
      14 August 2019 19: 00
      And for what the government gets our salaries, it’s time to remove the last pants in favor of the treasury from these geniuses of the economy.
    18. +1
      14 August 2019 19: 18
      Luxembourg court ruled

      Who it? Why dont know?

      I know all the "great" courts - Hamburg, Hague, Nyurnberg, Basmanny ...
    19. 0
      14 August 2019 20: 01
      laughing laughing It has long been necessary to close the office "NAFTOGAZ" due to lack of gas wassatAnd so the news is super, let's see how they will do it laughing And how they will turn out the pockets of their relatives "investors" laughing laughing
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    22. 0
      14 August 2019 20: 18
      On July 13, the French authorities, also in connection with the lawsuit of the Noga company, arrested the Russian sailing ship Sedov, who had arrived here to participate in the international maritime festival Brest-2000, in the port of Brest. On July 24, the Brest court of higher jurisdiction lifted the arrest from the Sedov sailing ship, since it is not state property, but belongs to the Murmansk State Technical University. The court ruled to recover from the company "Noga" 500 thousand francs / 70 thousand dollars / as compensation to the owner of the sailboat for material and moral damage and 250 thousand francs / 35,5 thousand dollars / to the organizers of the international maritime festival "Brest-2000". In response, the Noga representative promised to arrest the private plane of President V. Putin. Where is this "LEG" now? She is not there, she "burned out" laughing laughing
    23. 0
      14 August 2019 21: 08
      I offer the cost of all "claims" + a fine (300% - to start with bully ) include gas for Ukraine in the price wassat ... "Reverse" - "dry" - sell gas only under the obligation of the "end buyer", that is, NO resale am
    24. +1
      14 August 2019 21: 21
      It’s not clear. Our people say that Luxembourg is not a decree for us. They are trying to appeal the lawsuit. What the heck? He is not a decree for us, or what?
      1. 0
        15 August 2019 05: 06
        The agreement states which court the parties will appeal to in the event of a dispute.
    25. -3
      14 August 2019 22: 25
      Rather, they would have completed the northern stream .... Then you can tighten the valve with a malicious smile.
      And in general, to conclude a trade agreement only with the Germans, and let them reverse where they want.
      Denmark is even there does not want to issue permission, apparently wants to drown dung in the 21st century ....
    26. -1
      14 August 2019 22: 27
      one of the parties to the gas transit wars is the courts.
      Endless litigation of Naftogaz / Gazprom, and Gazprom with everyone else.
      Obviously part of the game. Where everyone claims victory or pyrrhic victory of the opponent.
    27. 0
      14 August 2019 23: 53
      Now Naibulin and Siluyans will take a stand at attention and under the hood) our government will fulfill any whim of the IMF and any ships of any hummingbird in various poses!
    28. -3
      15 August 2019 00: 13
      I thought that when Navtogaz first sued, Gazprom, seeing the inadequacy of such a partner, would try to get rid of it. But no, Gazprom aggressively persuades to renew the contract, despite the fact that it must earn the Nord Stream
      1. -2
        15 August 2019 11: 03
        Quote: Victor Orthodox
        But no, Gazprom aggressively persuades to renew the contract, despite the fact that it must earn the Nord Stream

        Yes, you understand that Europe’s demand for gas is growing at a steady pace, and we need to sell as much gas as possible to Europeans to withstand the competition. That is why all the pipes going there will be needed so that we can dump against the Americans and Middle Eastern gas suppliers. To this end, gas transit through Ukraine is in our favor, not to mention the fact that Ukraine itself buys our gas from Europeans.
    29. +5
      15 August 2019 02: 17
      The history of transit through Ukraine has crossed all boundaries of adequacy. A long time ago. Our gallant government too. History is presented so that Russia is obliged. Obligated by this and that. It is obliged to supply gas to Europe no matter how and why. Required to buy European goods. But Europe and Ukraine owe nothing to anyone.
      If transit through Ukraine continues in the 20th year, then this government must be driven to hell with the dog. They are inadequate and only think about business trips to Europe. For the sake of the opportunity to attach a son / daughter to a warm place in the foreign branch of Gazprom, they are ready to sell their homeland.
      1. -1
        15 August 2019 09: 36
        until 21 years will continue, until 20 will not have time to finish building SP2
    30. sen
      +2
      15 August 2019 04: 59
      Russia must stand its ground and not conclude a treaty until Ukraine abandons its claims. If the contract is not concluded, invite the West to lead all parties as if the contract was still in effect. And when you start threads, the conversation will be different.
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    32. -1
      15 August 2019 15: 59
      Pyrrhic victory. Perhaps Ukraine will achieve its goal today, but already “tomorrow” it will lose much more. It's not worth mentioning what will happen the day after tomorrow.
    33. 0
      16 August 2019 04: 54
      Quote: ccsr
      Quote: Victor Orthodox
      But no, Gazprom aggressively persuades to renew the contract, despite the fact that it must earn the Nord Stream

      Yes, you understand that Europe’s demand for gas is growing at a steady pace, and we need to sell as much gas as possible to Europeans to withstand the competition. That is why all the pipes going there will be needed so that we can dump against the Americans and Middle Eastern gas suppliers. To this end, gas transit through Ukraine is in our favor, not to mention the fact that Ukraine itself buys our gas from Europeans.

      Maybe you are right.
      Contracts are simply concluded with those people who, at the direction of the United States, do not hesitate to block the pipeline at any time, and after that they will not be slow to sue Gazprom on any pretext and win it.
      Will there be a benefit?
      It is unclear why it is necessary to run the pipeline through Denmark, if you can bypass it. Why bother with additional risks? The story with Ukraine does not seem to teach anything.
      1. -1
        16 August 2019 12: 08
        Quote: Victor Orthodox
        Contracts are simply concluded with those people who, at the direction of the United States, do not hesitate to block the pipeline at any time, and after that they will not be slow to sue Gazprom on any pretext and win it.

        This period has already passed - now the Europeans are giving instructions to the Ukrainians, and they are not interested in interruptions in gas supplies. That is why Svidomo now do not rock the boat, but the truth is trying to cash in on their transit at the expense of Gazprom.
        Quote: Victor Orthodox
        Will there be a benefit?

        Will be. Gas is the fuel of the 21st century, and therefore we now need to tie everyone to our supplies as much as possible. True, if they find some other alternative source of energy, the situation may change, but so far this is not even visible theoretically.
        Quote: Victor Orthodox
        It is unclear why it is necessary to run the pipeline through Denmark, if you can bypass it.

        It turns out to be more expensive, and the extra kilometers of gas passing increase the pumping price, which will cost a pretty penny during long-term operation.
        Quote: Victor Orthodox
        The story with Ukraine does not seem to teach anything.

        The history of Ukraine showed that we can break off the horns of our ex-brothers without even introducing our troops into their territory. You just need to look a few moves ahead.

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