And the third Daman. Also forgotten

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In a remote Kazakh corner


On 13 of August 1969 of the PRC, having sensed that in order to put Moscow in its place, Beijing would be supported by Western countries, it launched a new provocation on the border with the USSR. In terms of scale, it was almost on an equal footing with Damansky and even surpassed Damansky-2 - a clash near the Goldinsky island (for more details see “VO” here).

And the third Daman. Also forgotten




This time, the Chinese chose a rather remote corner - on the East Kazakhstan site near Lake Zhalanashkol. On the morning of 13 August, at first only a dozen Chinese soldiers crossed the Soviet border at the Zhalanashkol outpost. By the 7 hours of the morning, they began to deliberately dig in. But about a hundred Chinese have already accumulated beyond the border. Soviet border guards did not want to shed blood. But they didn’t react to all warnings from that side ...



Soon, the border was violated by 12 more Chinese soldiers, who moved along the control-track strip to the Kamennaya hill. On two armored personnel carriers, ours cut their way, but after short negotiations, Chinese soldiers opened fire from machine guns. Soviet border guards were actually forced to respond.

Armed with rifle and anti-tank weapons the Chinese continued to cross the border, occupying one of the hills. Border guards in three armored personnel carriers entered into battle with them. Under the command of senior lieutenant Olszewski, a group of eight soldiers, supported by two armored personnel carriers, went behind the Chineses, and they took up all-round defense.



The height of the Right was attacked by another group of border guards, who lost one killed and eight wounded. But the height was taken, and the Chinese trenches were bombarded with grenades. Another Soviet border guard was mortally wounded - Private V. Ryazanov. By 9 hours, the height was repelled, and the Chinese no longer planned attacks.



There were a lot of weapons on the battlefield, mostly Soviet-made 1967-69. with markings of Romania and North Korea. This provocation cost Beijing more than 50 killed and wounded, the USSR - in 12 killed and wounded.



But the “signal” was given to the Russians - it is possible that Beijing’s main goal was to show Moscow that a number of its allies were de facto on the side of the PRC. And as an auxiliary task - to "demonstrate" territorial claims to the USSR and on this remote section of the border.

Such allies, such friends


It is now well known that from April 1969, shortly after the battle on Damansky Island, the re-export by Romania and the DPRK of Soviet small arms to China began to increase. By mid-August 1969, shortly after the conflict, these shipments almost doubled compared to the fall of 1968. It was then, at the end of the notorious Danube operation in Czechoslovakia, that the aforementioned re-export began.

It is no less characteristic that on the eve of a new Chinese provocation, US President Richard Nixon, along with Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, paid official visits to Pakistan Lahore and then Bucharest. At the same time, Romania and Pakistan agreed to mediate in the establishment of high-level Chinese-American contacts, and intelligence equipment from the United States began to enter China through China.


US President Richard Nixon in Bucharest (next to him is Nicolae Ceausescu)


Meanwhile, at the 11 of September 1969 in a Beijing airport, a meeting of the prime ministers of the USSR and the PRC, Alexei Kosygin and Zhou Enlai, was already scheduled. Its agenda included primarily the border issue. The Chinese side, it seems, decided ahead of time, through a new demonstration of strength, to strengthen their positions.

However, the meeting at the Beijing airport was not canceled, and there both parties agreed to resolve disputes first at the mutual Siberian-Far Eastern border. But, as you know, from 1970 of the year all of them, as a rule, were decided in favor of the PRC. In Beijing, then they realized that the issue would also be resolved in the area after almost 400 square. km at the Zhalanashkol lake. And especially this question did not pedal afterwards.

Much later, according to the Kazakh-Chinese agreement in Almaty from 4 on July 1998 on the clarification of the mutual border, signed by Nurslutan Nazarbayev and Jiang Zemin, that section was transferred to China. But at the end of the 60's in Moscow, they realized that the PRC enjoys quite substantive support from a number of Soviet allies, more precisely, supposedly allies. In Romania, for example, official and very active criticism of the mentioned Danube operation continued at that time, and in the DPRK - although unofficially, criticism of Khrushchev's anti-Stalinism and the same operation in Czechoslovakia.

But Moscow, for obvious political reasons, chose to refrain from pressure on Bucharest and Pyongyang over the re-export of Soviet weapons to the PRC. For the Soviet leadership feared a new split in the socialist community in favor of the PRC, which, in turn, would be beneficial to the United States and the West as a whole. And it could also lead to the military-political bloc of Romania, not only with the then Stalin-pro-Chinese Albania, but also with Titan Yugoslavia. Recall that socialist Yugoslavia then regularly obstructed the USSR on the world stage in the framework of the "Non-Aligned Movement" initiated by it from the West.

When Beijing kept quarreling with Moscow, Washington and Islamabad also “added” to Bucharest and Pyongyang as true friends of China. 1-2 On August Nixon and Kissinger met with the then head of Pakistan, General Yahya Khan, in Lahore. The main topic of the talks was the options for "greater support for communist China, while (as G. Kissinger said) Mao Zedong is alive."


Official China is friends with Pakistan today


At that time, the work of the transpakistan transport corridor, which also passed through the territory of the PRC, became more regular, through which not only civilian products, but not only from the USA, began to be sent to a larger volume. The Chinese embassy in Pakistan was informed by the Pakistani Foreign Ministry in early August 1969 about the plans of the US leadership regarding the official visit of Nixon and Kissinger to the PRC.

And in Bucharest, Nixon, meeting with the Chinese ambassador Liu Shenkuan, announced his desire to meet with the leaders of the PRC somewhere and support his "anti-hegemonic policy." In turn, Nicolae Ceausescu offered his personal mediation in organizing such a meeting, which was accepted by Washington and Beijing. And in mid-June 1971, Mr. Ceausescu personally confirmed these initiatives in Beijing to Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai.

Fruitful mediation


The mediation of Bucharest and Islamabad has borne fruit: Kissinger first visited Beijing in early July 1971 - note, shortly after Ceausescu's visit to Beijing. The first official visit of US leaders to the PRC took place, as you know, in February 1972, indicating since then their more active cooperation in countering the USSR.

By the way, it is very characteristic that such "lightning" visits of Nixon to Pakistan, and then together with Kissinger and Romania took place precisely on the eve of the conflict at Zhalanashkol ... All these factors, of course, influenced Moscow’s restrained political reaction to this conflict. This is also confirmed by the fact that they did not mention him in the central and regional Soviet media (except for a brief message in the large circulation of the local border post).

But there were also internal factors of Soviet restraint. Firstly, until the beginning of the 80-s, more than 50 underground Stalinist-Maoist groups acted in the USSR, initiated by Beijing and called in their leaflets and pamphlets to "overthrow the domination of the revisionist-traitors of the great Lenin-Stalin cause", who planned sabotage and terrorist attacks . Moreover, in return for the neutralized such groups, new ones constantly appeared. But after the resignation of Mr. Hua Guofeng, Mao's Stalinist successor, at the end of June 1981, Beijing's support for such groups became minimal.

Secondly, in the USSR, at the turn of the 60's and 70's, a systemic social crisis was ripening. Moreover, Brezhnev and others like them saw the main reason for this is that Kosygin’s notorious reforms (for more details see “VO” here) lead the state about the growing social and material needs of the population. What could negatively affect the growth of the country's economy and its state of defense.


These are the assessments made by the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU, L. I. Brezhnev, at the plenum of the Central Committee in December1968:
"Yes, it is necessary to seriously meet the needs of the people, but where is the line between these needs? It is not. The party is doing everything possible to exceed the planned targets for wage growth, and aspirations, requests, desires are increasing here ... you need to think about how to proceed further, because we may find ourselves in a difficult situation if we don’t find the right solution ... Especially since wage growth is ahead of labor productivity growth. If such issues are overlooked, then we will have to correct the matter with more urgent measures. "


As you know, Kosygin reforms were practically curtailed at the beginning of the 70's. But in general, numerous interrelated factors determined the inability for the USSR to get involved in a large-scale military conflict with the PRC. They also predetermined repeated Soviet concessions to Beijing in border issues.
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  1. +10
    15 August 2019 04: 59
    The policy of territorial concessions to Beijing and the fearful silence of the post-Khrushchev (and current) Moscow over the Chinese admiration for Stalin are the main incentives for Chinese policy towards the USSR and ex-USSR. Therefore, the consistent line of Mao and his successors in these matters proved successful and geopolitical. EVERYTHING is true: Zhalanashkol is an episode and context of such a policy.
    1. +16
      15 August 2019 05: 19
      fearful silence of the post-Khrushchev (and present) Moscow

      Nothing has changed since then and now ... China is slowly and systematically achieving its goals.
      The policy of internationalism of the USSR crashed ... all the time marveled at the hostility of our closest allies under the Warsaw Treaty to us at the everyday level.
      1. -2
        15 August 2019 06: 24
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The policy of internationalism of the USSR crashed ..

        Very whacky. But by .... not a policy of internationalism. And the collapse of communism in the USSR led to collapse.
        Soviet internationalism is when everyone is equal. Regardless of nationality. And when the country followed it, it went from victory to victory.
        1. +6
          15 August 2019 06: 26
          Why then the Afghan dushmans could not win with this slogan?
          On foreign bayonets such slogans are not functional.
          1. -1
            15 August 2019 06: 34
            And who fought with whom? Do not remind ....
            1. +20
              15 August 2019 06: 36
              Our army was fulfilling its international duty in Afghanistan ... at least they explained it to us.
              But in fact, we got into the Middle Ages of Afghanistan and tried to pull the local people by the ears into developed socialism ... a bad experience.
              1. +3
                15 August 2019 06: 41
                At that time, the USSR was entering its crisis thanks to the ossified party of careerists. And abandoning the building of communism ... Mao quite accurately described the future of the USSR. Communism internationalism ceased to be the country's goal ...
                On the whole, the USSR won that confrontation in Afghanistan. But not fate.
                1. +4
                  15 August 2019 07: 01
                  the naive colleague here was broadcasting ... not realizing that all wars had begun so.
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                  carstorm 11 (Dmitry) August 11, 2019 05:00
                  +7
                  this is a border conflict. quite small compared to any other that we have on the western borders for centuries. Europe has been invaded by armies for centuries. killed millions. that's who really wanted to eat us and wants to. and that conflict ... we now have even theoretically border disputes with China and cannot be.
                  1. +1
                    15 August 2019 07: 14
                    Despite everything, under the current leadership, China now has no territorial claims against us. But the Russian Empire chopped off a lot of them at one time. I can’t say that I'm sad wassat
                    I hope the issue of territories with China is settled, if not forever, then for a long time
                    1. BAI
                      +4
                      15 August 2019 09: 24
                      Quote: igorbrsv
                      Despite everything, under the current leadership, China now has no territorial claims against us.

                      And who is claiming Sakhalin and the Far East?
                      1. -1
                        15 August 2019 10: 42
                        Quote: BAI
                        Quote: igorbrsv
                        Despite everything, under the current leadership, China now has no territorial claims against us.

                        And who is claiming Sakhalin and the Far East?

                        This card is for those Chinese who now live in Taiwan. Continental China, on their maps, does not have this.
                    2. +2
                      15 August 2019 14: 49
                      I want to believe it
                2. +1
                  15 August 2019 07: 30
                  Quote: apro
                  At that time, the USSR was entering its crisis thanks to the ossified party of careerists
                  that's right! good
                  Quote: apro
                  In general, the USSR won that confrontation in Afghanistan

                  In what whole? The confrontation was only growing, they reached the point where the villages were demolished by strategic bombers. The army was withdrawn from there, realizing that this war was futile. Confirmation of this, the rapid collapse of the regime of Najibullah.
                  Quote: apro
                  pretty accurately described the future of the USSR. Communism internationalism is no longer the country's goal ...
                  so in China now the same garbage, see not a very promising course that was
                  1. +10
                    15 August 2019 08: 29
                    Confirmation of this, the rapid collapse of the regime of Najibullah.

                    Wow fast - USSR troops left 15 02 1989 - Najibullah toppled 16 04 1992. This Yeltsin contributed to the development of drug trafficking from Afghanistan.
                    1. -1
                      15 August 2019 12: 09
                      Quote: Aviator_
                      Wow fast - USSR troops left 15 02 1989 - Najibullah overthrown 16 04 1992.

                      Do you think this is a long period in history? OKSVA helped establish power for 10 years, and Najibullah spent only 3, and even then the last year, purely formally.
                      1. +2
                        15 August 2019 21: 46
                        Not at all formal. He kept all the basmachis in the caves, until the EBN passed him, stopping all help
                      2. -2
                        16 August 2019 07: 03
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        He kept all the basmachis in the caves, until the EBN passed him, stopping all help
                        I don’t know how he kept the Basmachis there and how, but even in the PDPA itself, a mouse fuss continued in the struggle for power between the “Parchamists” and “Khalkists”. And the regime collapsed in just under three months as soon as the aid was stopped. Strong mode, however.
                      3. +2
                        16 August 2019 08: 00
                        Any mode needs to be fueled. You might think that Dostum and the others did not use anyone's help. The only self-sufficient regime is the DPRK, and, perhaps, Cuba.
                      4. -2
                        16 August 2019 08: 03
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Any mode needs to be fueled.

                        So you do not confuse the state and the partisans, moreover, not for three incomplete months "without recharge" a strong regime is holding, which means it has already been shaken by the Basmachi, who
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        kept in caves
                      5. +1
                        16 August 2019 08: 09
                        Any partisan movement is only stable when it has external nourishment. Without it, the partisans end in a month.
                      6. +1
                        16 August 2019 08: 48
                        External recharge is important, but much more important is local support for partisans inside.
                      7. -1
                        16 August 2019 09: 14
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Any partisan movement is only stable when it has external nourishment.

                        do not rephrase, it is stable when it has the support of the local population laughing Recharge, of course, is also good, but without the support of the population, no recharge will help, "forest brothers" for example
                      8. +1
                        16 August 2019 19: 50
                        These "forest brothers" were there as long as the West fed them. With the establishment of Khrushchev's power, the West stopped supporting them, switching to more sophisticated methods of decomposing the USSR.
                      9. -2
                        16 August 2019 21: 35
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        These "forest brothers" were there as long as the West fed them.

                        With the restoration of the economic infrastructure destroyed by the war and the cessation of the deportations indicated above, as well as after 1948-1950. campaigns for the forced collectivization of agriculture in the three republics, the "forest brothers" began to lose support among the local population. In 1952, Adolfas Ramanauskas-Vanagas, partisan commander of the Southern Lithuania Region, ordered the cessation of active armed operations as the main type of struggle and the transition to unarmed underground activities.

                        According to the testimony of the KGB general Philip Bobkov, in 1954, "for the last time during an operational game, a speedboat docked on the coast of Lithuania, sent by British intelligence with cargo for the units of the so-called" forest brothers ". Weapons, money, equipment were in the hands of operational workers "
                      10. 0
                        16 August 2019 08: 46
                        What about Belarus? What about China?
                      11. +1
                        16 August 2019 13: 25
                        Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                        What about Belarus? What about China?

                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        Any partisan movement is only stable when it has external nourishment.

                        do not rephrase, it is stable when it has the support of the local population laughing Recharge, of course, is also good, but without the support of the population, no recharge will help, "forest brothers" for example
                        All this is indisputable, there was support for Belarus through the Central Partisan Headquarters, and in most cases the Red Army units and subunits fell under the same direction of the main strike of the Wehrmacht and became the core of the formation of partisan units. And the unjustified cruelty of the German rear guard units against the population. The destruction of Khatyn
                        Main article: Khatyn
                        According to the chief of staff of the battalion Grigory Vasyura, given at a closed trial in 1986 - March 22, 1943, the battalion together with the servicemen of the German SS-Sonderbataillon Dirlewanger [8] (German: "SS-Sonderbataillon Dirlewanger") [9] [10 ] took part in the extermination of the inhabitants of the Belarusian village of Khatyn.
                        In December 1986, in a closed trial in Minsk in the case of the chief of staff of the battalion, Grigory Vasyura, former soldiers of the battalion testified about the participation of the “shutsmanshaft-118” units in the destruction of Khatyn [https://poznamka.ru/belarus/kto-szheg-hatyn
                        Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
                        What about China?
                        And in China there was a war with the Japanese, it was 1931,
                        https://topwar.ru/21862-genocid-kitayskogo-naroda-v-1937-1945-godah.html Несмотря на то, что оба государства вели периодические боевые действия с 1931 года, полномасштабная война развернулась в 1937 году и закончилась капитуляцией Японии в 1945. И СССР окаывал Китаю большую помощь. Основной трассой поставок был Чуйский тракт. Были и поставки по Ленд-Лизу из США.Американская помощь Китаю по ленд-лизу

                        After the outbreak of the war with Japan in 1937, the Kuomintang government received military-technical assistance not only from the Soviet Union and several European countries, but also purchased military equipment from the United States. Initially, American deliveries were very small, but increased after the Chinese representative Chen Guangfu1938 was sent to the United States in August 1, registering the Universal Trading Corporation there. However, at that time in American law there were restrictions on the supply of arms abroad in connection with the law on neutrality. Therefore, China could acquire in the United States only the so-called non-lethal weapons.

                        According to the American archives, the company Universal Trading Corporation by the end of 1939 purchased various products in the United States for a total of $ 74,67 million, including: automobiles, spare parts and repair equipment worth 16,74 million; gasoline and lubricants worth 11,45 million; ferrous and non-ferrous metals worth 24,68 million; 5,6 million radio and telephone communications; 3,6 million surgical instruments and other medical devices; 3,44 million khaki material and wool blankets; universal equipment for 2,15 million; 4 million railway property; 3 million tin ore mining equipment

                        Gorbachev Boris Nikolaevich, Doctor of Historical Sciences, full member of the Academy of Military Sciences. Email: [email protected].


                        Source: http://naukarus.com/vneshnyaya-pomosch-kitayu-v-gody-voyny-s-yaponiey-19371945-gg-okonchanie
                      12. 0
                        16 August 2019 14: 33
                        Well, I agree, but then you have a passing question: how many regimes and partisan movements did the former USSR support in the 1950s and 80s, but the efforts were in vain?!? An example is Afghanistan, which has killed us ...
                  2. 0
                    15 August 2019 14: 55
                    Quote: Pedrodepackes
                    Quote: apro
                    At that time, the USSR was entering its crisis thanks to the ossified party of careerists
                    that's right! good
                    Quote: apro
                    In general, the USSR won that confrontation in Afghanistan

                    In what whole? The confrontation was only growing, they reached the point where the villages were demolished by strategic bombers. The army was withdrawn from there, realizing that this war was futile. Confirmation of this, the rapid collapse of the regime of Najibullah.
                    Quote: apro
                    pretty accurately described the future of the USSR. Communism internationalism is no longer the country's goal ...
                    so in China now the same garbage, see not a very promising course that was

                    Irony of Fate - Commander General Dudaev took an active part in delivering air strikes by strategic bombers against targets in Afghanistan. Yes, yes, it’s the same one .. And how then everything turned around - life stories are sometimes more famously twisted than in another novel.
                    1. -1
                      15 August 2019 14: 58
                      Quote: ranger
                      In delivering airstrikes by strategic bombers on targets in Afghanistan, Commander General Dudaev accepted. Yes, yes, exactly the same ..

                      Well, this is no longer news, only I can’t see the connection.
                      1. 0
                        15 August 2019 15: 11
                        Quote: Pedrodepackes
                        Quote: ranger
                        In delivering airstrikes by strategic bombers on targets in Afghanistan, Commander General Dudaev accepted. Yes, yes, exactly the same ..

                        Well, this is no longer news, only I can’t see the connection.

                        And no claims to novelty were supposed. The connection is that in the comments there were many discussions about communism and internationalism and why they became irrelevant. The story of the transformation of a communist and Soviet general into an ardent Islamist and nationalist is a vivid example of the utopianism of these ideas. Need more explanation or is that enough?
                      2. -1
                        15 August 2019 15: 12
                        Quote: ranger
                        The story of the transformation of a communist and Soviet general into an ardent Islamist and nationalist is a vivid example of the utopianism of these ideas. Need more explanation or is that enough?

                        enough good
                      3. 0
                        16 August 2019 08: 49
                        But was Dudaev a division commander at that time? In my opinion, Dudayev was a regiment then.
                      4. 0
                        16 August 2019 08: 54
                        Sorry, I was wrong: we had a NS division in Poltava, and in Tartu already a commander. These are two different divisions, of course.
                  3. +2
                    15 August 2019 17: 41
                    For Pedrodepacks (Alex) Well, well, well, name these villages that strategic bombers demolished?))) You heard the ringing, but you really don't need it, at least you read for what purposes the "strategists" were used ... but what is the effect of these bombing strikes on fortified areas spirits was almost zero, this is true, the pilots themselves write about this ... but do not confuse the village and the fortified area - this is different))) Now about our Afghan, many memoirs of the participants in those events have been written, but we still like to repeat and shout that, which has already been recognized by the whole world as a lie ... Yes, Trump admitted that the USSR, having introduced its troops into Afghanistan, did the right thing !!! By the way, if you suddenly happen to be in Stavropol, visit the regional interschool museum "Warriors-Internationalists", where we have excursions themselves, schoolchildren of grades 7-8, they quickly fill your gaps in knowledge of the history of OKSVA)))
                    1. -1
                      15 August 2019 19: 22
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      Well ka, well ka, call these villages that the strategic bombers demolished?)))

                      and there are names of villages?
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      Yes, Trump admitted that the USSR, having entered its troops into Afghanistan, did the right thing !!!

                      Can you link?
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      Now about our Afghan written many memories of participants in those events,

                      I also read them, moreover, classmates and classmates were there
                      Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                      students of grades 7-8 themselves

                      Well, it's cool, are they eyewitnesses too?
                      1. 0
                        16 August 2019 00: 04
                        For Pedrodepacks (Alex)
                        1. About the names of villages - yes there are not only those in which people live, but also non-residents, who sometimes nomads chose for their camps. I still remember some names, although I left Afghanistan in 1984.
                        2. About your literary readings -You read something wrong))) judging by your link about how strategic aviation demolished villages, you obviously read the opuses of some "Shindagar")))
                        3. about schoolchildren - materials for excursions by schoolchildren were prepared by Afghan veterans themselves, and in the preparation of these materials there were representatives of different types of troops in which they were in Afghanistan, were in different years. In September these students will conduct an excursion for the shuravi - this will be their exam !!! I invite you to participate in the excursion in order to understand that this is not done in order to hear "cool" or "wow", but in order to preserve not only the memory, but also the truth about our Afghanistan.
                      2. 0
                        16 August 2019 07: 18
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        about schoolchildren - materials for conducting excursions by schoolchildren were prepared by Afghan veterans themselves,

                        You see, when I was in school, the veterans of that war also told us about Saturday clean-ups and the construction of schools and, in general, how chocolate was there, but then there was a school and the stories of those who came "from there" not from the stands, which were radically different from what had been heard earlier. My classmate, after graduating from college, served in the SMR, which guarded the pipelines, when they got tired of going out on gusts (mined), they went to the nearest village, to clean up, and when they were fired on (with losses) they gave coordinates to the artillery regiment (before that there were agreements on to cover up the operation) and the village was "screwed up to hell." This is not aviation, but the fact itself, so I somehow believe those who write about villages demolished by aviation.
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        but do not confuse the village and fortified area - it’s different

                        in fact, I didn’t mean that strategic aviation flew to bomb the village, the villages fell under the distribution along with fortified areas, because the bombing was on areas from high altitude, high-power bombs, airplanes, no one wanted to take risks, therefore you knew the accuracy and efficiency yourself what kind. And it is not necessary to compare the actions of our troops in 82-84 and in 87-89, the power in the USSR was not the same and the attitude to the war was different.
                      3. 0
                        16 August 2019 08: 10
                        1. Did I really deny that the kishlaks were spreading with art? It was, but your comrade probably also said that before carrying out a sweep and "demolishing the kishlak" it was surrounded from all sides and the civilian population came out))), then a fire strike was delivered, then the infantry entered the kishlak, almost always from the Afghan army ... The trouble is that the peculiarity of the construction of Afghan houses and villages is such that it is not so easy to demolish them with artillery and aviation, and the Afghan comrades have always been near our command and often wrote (on business and not on business) slander our soldiers. There were also special officers who not only "chased" the fighters after the raids, but also monitored all military violations ... But I don’t remember that in the history of our Afgan a crime like an American was recorded in the Vietnamese village of Songmi, can you anyone Some of his comrades told))) The war is a bloody affair, not only soldiers are dying, but also civilians. We can only talk about blood and death, but this is not the whole war))) When I returned from Afgan in 1984, I was invited to schools and vocational schools, and so the most "popular" question of that time was - How many people did you KILL? It is a person, not dushmans or enemies ... Personally, this question has always "jarred" me, because he turns from a soldier who carried out an order and destroys enemies on the battlefield, turns a murderer and a criminal into a soldier ... , there were those who talked about how "they crumbled peaceful Afghans in batches and saw how villages were demolished", but there were only a few, but they shouted louder than anyone, which ultimately led to the fact that our Afghan in the minds of Russian society is perceived negatively ...
                        2.At a cabinet meeting on January 2, 2019, U.S. President Donald Trump called the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan in 1979 correct. According to him, he was directed against the "terrorists" who were sent to the Soviet Union.
                        Trump said that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in the late 1970s was the right decision, despite the fact that, in his words, it led to the “bankruptcy” of Moscow and the collapse of the Soviet Union. “The reason that Russia ended up in Afghanistan was the terrorists who were heading for Russia. They were right when they entered there, ”Trump said. (Information is available on many sites). Unfortunately, unlike Trump, our president has not made such a statement so far (!!!!) and on February 15, when they celebrated 30 years of withdrawal, Putin did not deign to come and personally congratulate those who passed Afghanistan with a worthy completion of OKSVA military missions in Afghanistan ... he chose to play hockey in Sochi ...
                      4. 0
                        16 August 2019 09: 09
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        he was surrounded on all sides and civilians came out

                        yeah, filter out the peaceful from the non-peaceful, the kishlak was surrounded, yes, but so that "not a single bastard" came out
                        Quote: Vitaliy Tsymbal
                        And how many people have you killed? It is a man, not dushmans or enemies ...
                        about a man, dushmans - they are also human, here, in VO, as a series of articles were printed about the actions of our special forces (by the way, not very hospitable), and so in the comments there were few who denied the killings, which were not related to the execution of the database. By the way, I heard the same question from my uncle, a border guard officer, when I returned from the first Chechen one.
                        About trump
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        According to him, he was directed against the "terrorists" who were sent to the Soviet Union.

                        what kind of terrorists? Terrorists from there appeared after the withdrawal, and then not immediately. therefore
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        our president has not made such a statement so far
                        It has long been noted that Trump is not all right with adequacy.
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        On February 15, when celebrating 30 years of withdrawal, Putin did not deign to come and personally congratulate those who passed Afghanistan.

                        Well, we have such power, the oligarchs are closer to them.
                      5. -1
                        16 August 2019 10: 30
                        I have not read articles about the special forces and the work of the special forces in Afghanistan at the military academy, so I will not comment.
                        And that's why we like to write and read about blood and death in Afghanistan - I will speak out. Firstly, having come from Afgan, we would like to be perceived as war veterans of the Second World War, so that in us, young guys (I returned from Afgan at 25), they saw not heroes, but those who, like fathers and grandfathers, fulfilled their duty to the Motherland, that we were brought up on their example ... but we were greeted with a complete lack of understanding of what we were doing there. So some began (some because of their youth, some out of stupidity) to prove that they are heroes, while showing only blood and death and often not only exaggerated, but also shamelessly lied. And since 85, the games for participation in power and "glasnost" began, so some began to "vote" so that they would notice and admit to the pie of power. And then it was in vogue to vilify the Soviet way of life, and then a negative attitude towards Afghanistan appeared, all the more so it tripled Western propagandists. Today we have begun the process of rethinking that war, but today there are Afghans among us who are beginning to sing about Afghan what they are told from the Kremlin, and not the truth and recognition of what we did and what we were in Afghanistan for.
                      6. -2
                        16 August 2019 10: 39
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        So, some began (some in their youth, some out of stupidity) to prove that they are heroes, while showing only blood and death

                        And to the local population, who, at first, treated our soldiers well, and at the end of their stay, OKSVA shot in the back, did they also tell or show? You know, in Chechnya there was the same garbage, only there was everything in plain sight, human rights activists told about Samashki and Vedeno, filed a lawsuit, but if it were not for them, what would have happened in Chechnya? But people are the same. Here is the film "Afghan Breakdown", what do you think? My classmate, who was there just under the conclusion, considers it almost documentary.
                      7. 0
                        16 August 2019 15: 43
                        1. Not everyone, even during the input, treated us well, but by the end of Afgan the number of people who treated us normally was more than at the beginning !!! The fact that the entire Afghan side reacted badly to the conclusion to the shuravi is a lie and a myth from our home-grown "democrats" of the 90s era with US money.
                        2. I watched "Afghan Breakdown" for a long time, honestly - generally I try not to watch movies on this subject.
                      8. -1
                        16 August 2019 15: 44
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        about, towards the end of Afghanistan, the number of people who treated us normally was greater than at the beginning !!

                        so you were there until the 84th
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        lies and myths from our home-bred US-funded "democrats" of the 90s.

                        I ask friends lope they got in the green for what they told me laughing
                      9. 0
                        16 August 2019 16: 11
                        Were your friends at the beginning of Afgan? Look at the losses over the years. Look how many Afghan citizens were educated in the USSR. Not long ago I found out that in one of our collective farms, Afghans were taught to be tractor drivers))), and my wife taught Afghan students at the Stavropol Pedagogical Institute ... Ask yourself how many Afghans we built for them from 79 to 89))) Who were your comrades in Afghanistan, if the soldiers in a certain area where there were the most implacable spirits, then they might not see what was happening in other places. I've walked in columns for 2 years, both in western and eastern Afghanistan and could compare where and how "the locals loved us" ... I had something to compare how they treated us ... Go to my page on Odnoklassniki and see photo exhibitions created by me on the basis of photographs from SOLDIER'S AND OFFICER'S albums. There are three of them: 1st "Kushka-Herat-Shindand-Kandahar. War on the roads" - this is the highway on which I had to drive most often; 2nd - "My friend Shuravi!" - this is a photo of Soviet soldiers with Afghan children children, the same from soldiers' albums; 3rd 111 months of war - each photo historically corresponds to a given year and month (I have been rechecking the dates of the photos for more than 2 years). Look, maybe your attitude towards Afghanistan will change a little,
                      10. -1
                        16 August 2019 16: 31
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        Look at losses over the years.

                        losses over the years will not give anything, this is an indicator of the gain of combat experience by commanders and commanders of all degrees, as well as the intensity of military operations
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        Who were your comrades in Afghanistan, if the soldiers in a certain area where the most irreconcilable spirits were, then they could not see what was happening in other places.

                        That's it, everyone has their own opinion, but only none of those who spoke about friendly Afghanistan told me
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        maybe your attitude towards Afghanistan will change a little,

                        Yes, but how would I change the opinion of my friends.
                        I will say one thing: the partisan movement against the regular army will not last without the support of the population, however, just as our garrisons were seated in Jalalabad, Kandahar and others, they traveled in convoys until the end of the war, for 10 years of the war, with a friendly population, they could have safely traveled along roads to ride.
                      11. 0
                        16 August 2019 16: 43
                        It would be interesting for me to communicate with your friends))) In your presence, I think a lot of what they told you, I would not dare to say ... because both they and I know how to "separate the noodles on the ears" from the truth)) ) There was no partisan movement there in the classical sense of this "word", they fought with each other like dogs, and sometimes "turned" into a "friendly gang", so that with our help (not always directly by fighting) they would pinch their fellow members ... East a delicate matter))) Yes, and our garrisons did not sit in isolation. I won't say anything about Jalalabad - I was not there, but about Kandahar - I will say there was no isolation, my subordinate Warrant Officer Vodichev was snapped up among the residents of Kandahar
                      12. -1
                        16 August 2019 17: 00
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        There was no partisan movement in the classical sense of this "word"

                        but what is the classic understanding of the word? A civilian who took up arms to fight against an external enemy. Yes, if there were none, what kind of Taraki had been crying out for help to the USSR for almost two years, sensing that the throne was shaken beneath him. In many provinces of Afghanistan, armed uprisings began, the army also partially rebelled, and then again, the USSR came to the defense of the hated regime and everyone rushed to love the troops who entered? This does not happen. At the school, I wrote a term paper on the moral and political condition of a fighter during intensive military operations, got acquainted with the literature of the chipboard and in secret, forms with reviews of events in the DRA, every year it gets worse. True, I wrote the work in the 85th, but I don’t think it became better, judging by the use of strategic aviation at the end of the war and the stories of my friends
                      13. 0
                        16 August 2019 16: 56
                        I will continue, accidentally pressed the wrong key ... So, Vodichev was a specialist from God in repairing diesel power plants, and he didn't care whose it was Soviet, Czechoslovak, American or French. And the starley from the KECh accounting department "knocked off the shabbat" painting a mosque in Shindand at the request of a local mule ... even a story about him was shown on Soviet TV in 1985. In 1982, we had two Turkmen officers with a biennial year in our company, so every Saturday (war-war), dressed in civilian clothes, they got into a civilian bus passing by the Shindand garrison and went to visit their relatives in Herat. I can give many examples from what I saw personally, but I think this is enough to understand that the Soviet garrisons were not isolated ...
                      14. -1
                        16 August 2019 17: 04
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        I can give many examples from what I personally saw, but I think this is enough to understand that the Soviet garrisons were not isolated ...

                        in isolation, this does not mean that you cannot leave the house, but there was no regular communication just like that, for example, with Kabul. At one time, the three of us in Niva late in the evening were forced to go from Khasavyurt to Shatoy and arrived, but this does not mean that the population was peaceful towards us. In the columns constantly, then there were losses, then explosions. Go to the Caucasus Emirate website, where the memories of former martyrs are laid out, read, you learn a lot of interesting things.
                      15. 0
                        16 August 2019 17: 36
                        I know what is in Chechnya ... and I’m not going to argue. Chechnya also touched us in the Stavropol Territory. We are talking about Afghanistan. I had the same case when I had to go down (4 KAMAZ trucks) from Salang in the dark, so I was more afraid not of spirits, but of my own - so that some honors pupil of military and political training would not pull a fool. Probably you also had it))) About the Afghan partisans, there were no partisans there, there were spirits and majahideen, and the bulk went to spirits to make money, there were a lot of mercenaries, but the very concept (you forgot to specify) of the partisans was organized and part of the population armed with the state to fight the occupier. USSR Afghanistan did not occupy !!! Columns went between the garrisons every day, except holidays, according to the plan, transport planes and turntables flew. To get from one garrison to another, even for me - the lieutenant, whose subordinates were scattered throughout Afghanistan, was not a problem. I walked in columns for two years, both as a passenger and as a senior column, therefore I know almost everything about columns, I have experienced it in my own skin. The same spirits that fought against us in Afghanistan, fought against you in Chechnya, and us in Stavropol (Budyonnovsk), the Turkmensky district (the Nagay battalion returned the first Chechen from Czechs to their native villages), the Zone on the border of Chechnya and Stavropol. I know how the Stavropolites died in Afghanistan, in Chechnya and in other hot spots (not only the death of the brave) because I am the author of the Memory Book of the Stavropol Territory from 1946 to the present.
                      16. -1
                        16 August 2019 17: 45
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        I was more afraid not of spirits, but of my own - so that some excellent pupil of military and political training wouldn’t bully a fool. Probably you also had it)))

                        et for sure, the 700th vigil)))
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        To get from one garrison to another, even for me - the lieutenant, whose subordinates were scattered throughout Afghanistan, was not a problem.

                        Well, yes, the columns are under guard
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        partisans organized and armed with the state part of the population
                        recourse you do not confuse with saboteurs? And it turns out that in Belarus during the Second World War gangs of marauders went, not partisans, not all of Kovpak and Medvedev served.
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        to fight the occupier
                        in their opinion and the opinion of other countries, we were invaders, one boycott of the Olympics in Moscow is worth it. I somehow met a Polish woman in the time of lieutenant, so she really condemned our entry into Afghanistan in between la mur ...
                      17. 0
                        16 August 2019 17: 50
                        La murit this Polish girl had to be so with "all proletarian hatred" so that there was no time for condemnation))), here the Germans in my GDR only had time for "I-I" (just kidding) ...
                      18. -1
                        16 August 2019 17: 56
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        La murit it was necessary to this Polish girl so with "all proletarian hatred"

                        sometimes it was necessary to distract for a break
                        Quote: Vitaly Tsymbal
                        here the Germans in my GDR only had time for "Ya-Ya" (just kidding) ...

                        but I'm not joking))
                        Where in the GDR?
                      19. 0
                        16 August 2019 19: 20
                        1987-89 - Glau (between Wünsdorf and Potsdam) Junior Specialist School of Engineering Forces.
                  4. 0
                    April 16 2022 06: 32
                    Confirmation of this, the rapid collapse of the regime of Najibullah.
                    The collapse of Najibullah took place due to the betrayal of Gorbachev, who ignored his requests for fuel for military equipment and ammunition, since the president of the USSR was a recruited agent of the West, but he was not put on trial, as the next president continued the same path of collapse The USSR, which also sold out and fell under Western Wishlist, but nothing good came of it, there was a collapse of the economy and a huge decline in the population, and the undeclared war of the West against us is still going on, now we are trying to restore what we ourselves ruined for the sake of the West ...
              2. +5
                15 August 2019 11: 01
                Yes, in Afghanistan it’s not even the Middle Ages, but the primitive communal system, and now it’s the same there.
        2. +1
          15 August 2019 14: 25
          Quote: apro
          Soviet internationalism is when everyone is equal. Regardless of nationality. And when the country followed it, it went from victory to victory

          Internationalism on an international scale is a very muddy idea. Internationalism in the USSR had a positive phenomenon, but with the collapse of the USSR, it immediately acquired the property of nationalism. Where everything went at once, as if it hadn’t been there for 70 years, even the closest brothers Ukrainians went into oblivion, not to mention the Baltic states and Central Asia and are already looking kindly.
      2. 0
        15 August 2019 08: 10
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Nothing has changed since then

        How has it not changed?
        If under Khrushchev and Brezhnev border issues were resolved by force, today the demarcation of the border between us was carried out without bloodshed. Prior to this, it was considered unnecessary because world revolution will erase all borders.

        At the end of his life, Stalin understood that in the USSR the Trotskyists were again gaining the upper hand and in one of his last speeches he was directly addressing the delegates of other countries:



        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        The policy of internationalism of the USSR crashed ...

        What kind of international are you talking about? laughing



        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        all the time marveled at the hostility of our closest allies under the Warsaw Pact

        Every year, children from socialist countries came to our pioneer camp. There was no hostility.
        1. +5
          15 August 2019 08: 48
          Every year, children from socialist countries came to our pioneer camp.

          I read back in Soviet times the stories of our people who were in HUNGARY, Romania, Poland ... there they described local friendships to the USSR in a slightly different way.
          As for the international, I am against the international on the bayonets of our soldiers.
          As for the changes, I mean the policy of China in relation to its interests ... it is unchanged.
          1. 0
            15 August 2019 08: 58
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            I read back in Soviet times the stories of our people who were in HUNGARY, Romania, Poland ..

            You read and I have relatives in Poland, Denmark and Germany. At the household level, there are no problems. As for politics, Khrushchev and Brezhnev wanted, just as they did the "trick" with the union republics, to collect all the revenues for themselves and distribute them according to their loyalty. Who will like it when you earn, and your neighbor manages the earned. This was not the case under Stalin. Everyone lived on what they earned. They were thrown into a common boiler only during the construction of all-Union construction projects, ensuring general security, etc.

            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            As for the international, I am against the international on the bayonets of our soldiers.

            I am against the international too. 15 May 1943, at the direction of Stalin, the Third International was dissolved. The International is an attempt by the Trotskyists of the whole World to carry out globalization in their own way.

            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            As for the changes, I mean the policy of China in relation to its interests ... it is unchanged.

            I can only say - well done Chinese.
            1. +3
              15 August 2019 16: 04
              Generally speaking, the Third International was created by V.I. Lenin. Remember how Furmanov told Chapaev: "in the third .. He created it
          2. +2
            15 August 2019 14: 40
            Quote: The same LYOKHA
            As for the international, I am against the international on the bayonets of our soldiers.

            I personally am against anyone, and without bayonets. Russia ate this internationalism even under the Leninists-internationalists, but I already remember well the Khrushchev brotherhood with Africa, and I don’t want it. You just need to live in peace.
            1. +2
              15 August 2019 15: 58
              100 times right.
  2. +8
    15 August 2019 05: 36
    But in general, numerous interrelated factors determined the inability for the USSR to get involved in a large-scale military conflict with the PRC. They also predetermined repeated Soviet concessions to Beijing in border issues.
    Well yes. At that time, the Government was preoccupied with the Arab-Israeli conflict and what troops could be taken from Siberia and the Far East, for example, on July 14, 1969, according to the Directive of the General Staff of the USSR Armed Forces, in connection with the aggravation of the situation in the Middle East, the relocation of the 98th Guards was begun. airborne forces from the city of Belogorsk, Amur Region, to the city of Bolgrad, Odessa. And at that time clashes were already going on on the Soviet-Chinese border. In May 1969, we were called up for military service.
    May 12, 1969 sent to Komsomolsky ZRP, May 16-29, 1969 quarantine. May 30, taking the oath and sending to the divisions. It is good that in DOSAAF we got military specialties, so we did not have to delve into our specialties very much, after all, we knew the basics. And during the first summer of my service we did not get out of the cabins, then one petty provocation, then another major one, there were only border guards and air defense troops in the border protection. This is a bit later, when Moscow realized what it could lead to.
    1. +1
      15 August 2019 14: 52
      Quote: Amurets
      either one petty provocation, or another major one, there were only border guards and air defense troops in the border protection.

      At that time in Transbaikalia we had the same picture. Vacations were canceled, all on the barracks.
      1. +1
        15 August 2019 23: 59
        Quote: tihonmarine
        At that time in Transbaikalia we had the same picture. Vacations were canceled, all on the barracks.

        This was the situation along the entire line of the Soviet-Chinese border. My brother served two years later than me in 1971-1973, so their division had fresh memories of how their "castrated (cropped) division was raised to cover the border posts in the Damansky area."
    2. +4
      15 August 2019 15: 56
      In Moscow, for the sake of some sky-high chimeras, they left the border without cover. Interestingly, in the General Staff, they did not see what was happening on the Chinese border? It will be necessary to see who then headed the General Staff?
  3. +8
    15 August 2019 05: 39
    Yeah. Khrushchev shit thoroughly. But it would seem that he just wanted to push Stalin, and as a result he split the social camp, and laid a mine under the Soviet system, and ... Churchill, it seems, said about him - a unique person: the only one who declared war on the dead and managed to lose it. The only sad thing is that all the citizens of the USSR lost with him.
    1. +4
      15 August 2019 07: 38
      Quote: Dalny V
      Churchill, it seems, said about him - a unique person: the only one who declared war on the dead and managed to lose it.

      Well, how did you lose if the country finally turned away from the path of building communism-internationalism
      Quote: apro
      Mao quite accurately described the future of the USSR. Communism internationalism is no longer the country's goal ...

      even Mao said, and Kim Il Sung and Enver Hoxha supported him in this.
      1. +4
        15 August 2019 07: 45
        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        and Kim Il Sung

        Kim Sung-il set a magnificent pig in the incident with the Pueblo scout. As a result, another aggravation arose between the USSR and the USA.
        1. -1
          15 August 2019 07: 56
          Quote: Amurets
          the incident with the scout ship "Pueblo".

          Thank you for prompting about this incident, neighing over
          Hawaiian gesture good luck wishes
          . Well done sailors good
        2. +3
          15 August 2019 15: 44
          Nikolay, for some reason I can't remember what is this story with "Pueblo"?
          1. +1
            15 August 2019 23: 44
            Quote: vladcub
            Nikolay, for some reason I can't remember what is this story with "Pueblo"?

            Svyatoslav! Here is an excerpt from an article on VO on January 21, 1968, “Pueblo” was located at the edge of the territorial waters of the DPRK, where it found a Soviet submarine in an underwater position and began tracking it, but soon lost contact. On January 23, the Americans again made contact with the submarine and, apparently, were so carried away by the persecution that they entered the territorial waters of North Korea. At 13 hours, North Korea’s naval torpedo and patrol boats, 45 miles from Riedo Island, detained the Pueblo, which was located in the territorial waters of the DPRK (the Americans claimed that the ship was in international waters). During the detention, the ship was shot at. One of the sailors was killed and 7,5 wounded, one of them was hard.
            Concerned about the Pueblo conquest, President Lyndon Johnson convened a consultative meeting with military and civilian experts. Immediately there was an assumption of involvement in the USSR incident. Defense Secretary Robert McNamara claimed that the Soviets knew about the incident in advance, and one of the presidential advisers said, "that this cannot be forgiven." McNamara said that the aircraft carrier "Enterprise" is followed by the Soviet hydrographic vessel "Hydrologist" and, occasionally approaching the aircraft carrier on 700 – 800 m, performs the same functions as the captured Pueblo. I note that McNamara was cunning: the fact is that the speed of the “Hydrologist” was two, if not three times less than that of an aircraft carrier.
            On January 24, while discussing the American response at the White House, National Security Adviser Walter Rostow raised the idea of ​​ordering South Korean ships to seize the Soviet ship following the aircraft carrier Enterprise for the sake of symmetry. Such a "symmetrical" response could have grave consequences, because, according to American data, a Soviet nuclear submarine of Project 627A "walked" behind the aircraft carrier "Enterprise" during its transition to the Korean coast, and it is not known how its commander would react. Here is a link to the article: "Memories of" Pueblo ". Https://topwar.ru/135228-vospominaniya-o-pueblo.html
            1. +2
              16 August 2019 12: 26
              Thank you very much for your story. Apparently, we need to look into the first publications somehow.
    2. +2
      15 August 2019 15: 40
      Churchill well done: caustically noticed
    3. -1
      15 August 2019 16: 12
      Quote: Dalny V
      But it would seem - just wanted to push Stalin,

      No, Khrushchev was simply a seasoned Trotskyist.
      1. +2
        16 August 2019 12: 41
        Generally speaking, you are close to the truth: he graduated from the Industrial Academy, and there were strong positions of Leonid D. Trotsky. So, at least, Ouspensky writes in his: "The secret adviser of the leader."
        PS ktgda read "The Counselor" then perceived it as the truth and only later understood: it is more of a historical novel
        1. 0
          16 August 2019 12: 58
          Quote: vladcub
          he graduated from the Promacademy, and there were strong positions of L. D. Trotsky

          Now there is already evidence, as they write "hidden Trotskyist". Well, in many of his actions you can see.
        2. 0
          16 August 2019 14: 40
          "The Counselor" is a false pseudo-historical novel!
          1. +3
            17 August 2019 17: 05
            At that time, there were still no serious historical works about the Stalin period. And better: "Counselor" than: "Confessions of Stalin's mistress", and I met quite adequate people and well aware of history who came to this "Confession". And what about those who "swim" in history or are skeptical about that period?
    4. +1
      16 August 2019 08: 35
      Quote: Dalny V
      Churchill seems to have said about him - a unique person

      And he also said "Khrushchev is the smartest man, only such an intelligent man could make the USSR buy bread from us."
  4. +6
    15 August 2019 08: 01
    About 10 years ago I talked with a Chinese. So he complained about Russia's wrong policy towards China. Literally from his words, a huge number of Chinese worshiped the Russians for getting rid of the Japanese yoke. But, as he said, these generations are leaving, and young people live by other interests. Why don’t you, Russians, make films on this subject, he complained, your films are very popular in China. This is about culture.
    I liked the article. The axiom thought runs through the red thread: if you stubbornly, despite the difficulties, go towards the goal, you will surely achieve it.
    1. 0
      15 August 2019 12: 11
      Quote: Dmitry Bolotsky
      The axiom thought runs through the red thread: if you stubbornly, despite the difficulties, go towards the goal, you will surely achieve it.

      The Chinese have a different theory, you need to patiently sit on the banks of the river, did your Chinese friend tell you this?
  5. +2
    15 August 2019 15: 37
    "if they want to become the leaders of the nation" (I. Stalin) But modern communists do not have those ideas that were during Stalin's time.
    Since 1997, 6 deputies have changed in our village, ALL were Communists during the election period and ALL left the party after receiving a mandate.
    In the nineties, there was a young communist (he remembered because of his tattoo: "Lenin"), in every possible way he made fun of his rival from the Liberal Democratic Party. When he was elected to the local council, he successfully moved to PRES Shakhrai (predecessor of the NDR, Cheinomyrdin Erikov). Then I wanted to see him in order to see: is the tattoo in place or not?
  6. 0
    21 August 2019 15: 49
    Quote: Dmitry Bolotsky
    About 10 years ago I talked with a Chinese. So he complained about Russia's wrong policy towards China. Literally from his words, a huge number of Chinese worshiped the Russians for getting rid of the Japanese yoke. But, as he said, these generations are leaving, and young people live by other interests. Why don’t you, Russians, make films on this subject, he complained, your films are very popular in China. This is about culture.
    I liked the article. The axiom thought runs through the red thread: if you stubbornly, despite the difficulties, go towards the goal, you will surely achieve it.

    About 7 years ago, I talked with the Buryat, who seasonally went to China with the brigade.
    They have no work in the Baikal region, they live on earned money in China.
    The last words were mentioned by the Putin regime.
    The rejection of the Far Eastern territories is a matter of time. The insemination of the Chinese will take their toll.
  7. 0
    5 September 2019 22: 15
    There were a lot of weapons on the battlefield, mostly Soviet-made in 1967-69. with markings of Romania and North Korea.

    Some illiteracy in the presentation, if with the markings of other countries, then not Soviet-made. It would be correct: the Soviet model, but with the markings of other countries, i.e. pirated or licensed.
  8. 0
    11 September 2019 15: 59
    At the moment, and I hope in the future, China will not fight! Why lay down your people if you can win an opponent economically. We need to see how many firms on the border with China have joint venture status, or directly have beneficiaries with Chinese citizenship.

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