Baltic Fleet aviation tested new mobile airfields

The Russian Ministry of Defense intends to soon adopt mobile airfields, a decision will be made based on the results of pilot operation. This is reported "News" with reference to the military department.

Aviation Of the Baltic fleet conducted the first tests of a new mobile airfield, which was deployed in a few hours on the island of Gogland in the Gulf of Finland during special tactical exercises. The engineering division built a full infrastructure with five seats for combat and transport helicopters. At the same time, all equipment and technical means were delivered to the island by one Mi-26 helicopter. After completion of work, army aviation crews landed at the new airfield.

According to the Ministry of Defense, such a jump airfield is capable of receiving all types of combat and transport helicopters, as well as some front-line aircraft. It allows you to quickly and covertly increase air groupings in the necessary directions and expand the capabilities of naval aviation in the performance of combat missions. Based on the results of trial operation, a decision will be made on introducing new items on other fleets.

The mobile aviation complex includes a full range of structures and equipment for use at temporary tactical aviation aerodromes: a command and control station, a satellite navigation system receiver, a weather station, mobile lighting systems, a fueling complex, and a maintenance center. For the construction of the runway, special metal plates are used, on which special strip lighting is subsequently installed. All equipment is fully compliant with conventional military airfield systems.

At maximum load, one mobile airfield is capable of autonomously providing flights for one squadron, which will continuously conduct combat operations for a month.

Comments

[Nikolaevich I]

Some front-line aircraft? What are they? Like Yak-130, L-39? The idea, in general, is a good one ... in this way it is possible to arrange airfields on the autobahn sections ... and not only for the Yak-130!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Some frontline aircraft? What are these? Type Yak-130, L-39

Since when has the YAK-130 and L-39 become front-line aviation?

thus it is possible to arrange airfields on the autobahn sections

For a long time, atobans themselves can take front-line aviation without it.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

Since when has the YAK-130 and L-39 become front-line aviation?

Duc, there are talks about creating a light attack aircraft based on the Yak-130! And in many countries the L-39 has long been "transformed" into a light attack aircraft! So I "thought" a little about the future and export! In addition, I said "like ...", it means that not only the Yak-130, but also aeroplans with a take-off weight comparable to the Yak-130 to some extent were meant ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Duc, there are talks about creating a light attack aircraft based on the Yak-130

Duc without any talk he is a combat trainer

And in many countries the L-39 has long been "transformed" into a light attack aircraft!

Are these countries that are unable to build their own attack aircraft?

In addition, I said "like ...", it means that not only the Yak-130 was meant, but also airplanes with a take-off weight comparable to the Yak-130 ...

So we do not have combat aircraft with a weight comparable to the Yak130
They are getting harder. So that will withstand

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

Duc without any talk he is a combat trainer

And the conversations still "go"! And then something-combat training, so in the first place "training"! That is, not a "attack aircraft" ... and to teach young flyers to shoot and bomb - just do not fight ...

Quote: Lipchanin

Are these countries that are unable to build their own attack aircraft?

Not necessarily ... there are countries that believe that it is not worth spending money on development when you can use "ersatz" ...

Quote: Lipchanin

So we do not have combat aircraft with a weight comparable to the Yak130

But can't a situation arise when "you can't, but you really want to"? That is, the MiG-29 with incomplete fueling and incomplete armament?

[Lipchanin]

And the conversations still "go"! And then something-combat training, so in the first place "training"! That is, not a "attack aircraft" ... and to teach young flyers to shoot and bomb - just do not fight ...

Yes, with all options, it is lighter in weight than any other combat aircraft

Not necessarily ... there are countries that believe that it is not worth spending money on development when you can use "ersatz" ...

So let them redo

But can't a situation arise when "you can't, but you really want to"? That is, the MiG-29 with incomplete fueling and incomplete armament?

I don’t understand what you want to hear from me yet?
I will quote again

as well as some front-line aircraft.

All of them are HEAVY YAK-130

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

All of them are HEAVY YAK-130

Well, let ... I'm not against it!

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

For a long time, atobans themselves can take front-line aviation without it.

They can ... but sometimes! That is, what you "demonstrate" is "experimental experiments"! I assumed that with the introduction of the "system" it would be possible to do it in a "regular manner" ... and even the manual in the "Military Book" store could be bought!

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

They can ... but sometimes

Always.
But it seems like we are talking about the "Mobile Airfield"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

Always.

I linger, however ...

Quote: Lipchanin

we are talking about the "Mobile Airfield"

What am I talking about?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

I linger, however ...

Do not

What am I talking about? belay

Yes, sort of like that

They can ... but sometimes! That is, what you "demonstrate" is "experimental experiments"

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Lipchanin

Yes, sort of like that
They can ... but sometimes! That is, what you "demonstrate" is "experimental experiments"

I meant that in some cases this does not happen regularly and in experimental periodic operation ... and the necessary equipment has to be "pulled out" from somewhere. Or a ready-made standard (!) "System", ready to serve even a runway made of metal plates, even an "autobahn" ...

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Or a ready-made standard (!) "System", ready to serve even a runway made of metal plates, even an "autobahn" ...

With the autobahns, she was already ready for a long time.
Now mobile system has been added to this system.

[Nycomed]

"in this way it is possible to arrange airfields on the autobahn sections"
In this case, the "autobahns" must be designed from the outset, taking into account the possibility of using for these purposes. How it is done in Sweden.

[Vlad.by]

I’ll tell you a terrible secret - any federal highway is designed with sections suitable for landing and take-off of aviation.
On the Minsk Moscow highway there are more than a dozen such places at least.

[Nycomed]

The Moscow-Minsk highway is concrete.

[Vlad.by]

concrete in places, but for the most part "normal" backfill with asphalt. But there are the same sections on all radial routes from Minsk.

[Nycomed]

Not in places, I once drove through it a couple of times in the late 90s, then it was not yet repaired and it was not covered with asphalt. And I perfectly remember the remnants of wooden formwork for the most part of the road from customs to Borisov.

[Vlad.by]

since the 90s a lot of water has flowed. And from Borisov to the border with the Russian Federation more than 120 km.
And there are similar sites in the Smolensk region and in the suburbs. I tried to count from Smolensk, after the fifth I threw it.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vlad.by

On the Minsk Moscow highway there are more than a dozen such places at least.

And not only on this one.
I am more than confident on the M4 Don highway that there are many sections adapted for takeoff and landing of military vehicles.
And the film "The Adventures of Italians in Russia" shows the landing of a passenger plane on such an airfield

[Vlad.by]

Well, this is already too much! )) The landing of the Tu-134 was filmed in Ulyanovsk at the airport, at the school of civil aviation pilots.
And the fact that there are such sites on the Don)) is 100%

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vlad.by

The landing of the Tu-134 was filmed in Ulyanovsk at the airport, at the school of civil aviation pilots.

Well no. I read what exactly on the track.
There, Tu-134 pilots also set the condition for pilots to sit behind the wheel of the passenger cars

And the fact that there are such sites on the Don)) is 100%

In our area there is one more such Eagle Tambov it seems.
Yes, and probably all federal

[Vlad.by]

I don’t know where you could read it)
https://kak-eto-sdelano.ru/kak-snimali-film-neveroyatnye-priklyucheniya-italyantsev-v-rossii/

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Vlad.by

I don’t know where you could read it)

Now I don’t remember. It has long been.
So I read diagonally, but about the pilots at the wheel I read correctly

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nycomed

In this case, the "autobahns" must be designed from the outset, taking into account the possibility of using for these purposes.

It has long been done and is doing.

[alexmach]

But the point is to do this on an island in the Baltic? How to cover this airdrome made from the coast?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: alexmach

But the point is to do this on an island in the Baltic?

Let's read the article together again

It allows you to quickly and covertly increase air groupings in the necessary directions and expand the capabilities of naval aviation in the performance of combat missions. Based on the results of trial operation, a decision will be made on introducing new items on other fleets.

How to cover this airdrome made from the coast?

You think about it did not think?

[alexmach]

You think about it did not think?

Well, specifically in this article and this teaching, I did not see an answer.

And of course, the idea is generally useful. But for some reason it seems to me that it is more likely for the north than for the Baltic.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: alexmach

Well, specifically in this article and this teaching, I did not see an answer.

So the goal of the teaching was to deploy

[Ros 56]

It is possible and Antonova

How to know.

[bayard]

What a handsome man !!!
Artillery scout?
The first time I see this, but delighted.

[Ros 56]

An-2 NAK is called, and the assumption is correct with the addition of "night".

[Lipchanin]

Baltic Fleet aviation conducted the first tests of a new mobile airfield, which was deployed in a few hours to the sharp Gogland in the Gulf of Finland

At the same time, all equipment and technical means were delivered to the island by one Mi-26 helicopter.

This is of course something

[Nycomed]

"which was deployed in a few hours"
This is how much? Can I be more specific? And so, the news is very good!

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

This is how much? Can I be more specific? And so, the news is very good!

News as news.
This is an ordinary, so-called jump airfield. Ever since WWII, such airfields have been deployed as necessary. Just added there

satellite navigation receiver

.
And everything else was before.

command and control station, weather station, mobile lighting systems, refueling complex, maintenance point. For the construction of the runway, special metal plates are used, on which special strip lighting is subsequently installed. All equipment is fully compliant with conventional military airfield systems.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Just added there
satellite navigation receiver

And the coverage is likely to be different, more modern

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

And the coverage is likely to be different, more modern

Helicopters, by and large, do not care. However, like airplanes. They are initially designed for use with unpaved runways.
Therefore, coating is desirable but not necessary.
If there is no cover, then remove all stones, branches and other garbage. So that the engines do not suck or scatter it all around.
Well, in the rain, and accordingly in the mud and slush, in the absence of coverage, a flight restriction is introduced.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi

Therefore, coating is desirable but not necessary.

I meant the coating material.
All the same, the 21st century is in the yard and the coverage of such airfields of the mid-20th century still does not meet the requirements of aviation of the 21st century

[alexmach]

News as news

Nevertheless, you still need to train in their deployment.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: alexmach

Nevertheless, you still need to train in their deployment

As in any other business

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Nycomed

This is how much? Can I be more specific?

Well, you probably have to ask here

This is reported by Izvestia with reference to the military department.

https://iz.ru/909892/aleksei-kozachenko-aleksei-ramm/avianesushchii-ostrov-baltflot-ispytal-mobilnye-aerodromy

[mark1]

Sailors, sailors ... I made barge sections 150 m long with differential tanks, towed to the desired island, docked, drowned the Swede and other Baltic states for stability on the shallows and thunderstorms. He walked away with his heart - undocked sections, blew differential tanks and to the base ...

[Obi-Wan Kenobi]

He made barge sections 150 m long with differential tanks, towed to the desired island, docked, drowned the Swede and other Baltic states for stability on the shallows and thunderstorms. He walked away with his heart - undocked sections, blew differential tanks and to the base ...

Congenial !!!
Just an amazing idea !!!
Immediately, urgently send an application to the Patent Office !!!
This is the Oscar and the Nobel Prize in one bottle !!!

[mark1]

Glad you liked it. In general, I am a supporter of naval combat platforms.

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

It turned out to be a good mobile airfield, an indispensable thing will be for aviation.

For the construction of runways, special metal plates are used.

And also, in many parts, their of these metal plates, make and build fences.

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Good idea for the military.
In fact, they will pass the tests and start up the series.
Probably there will be more improvements and new materials.
We are waiting for the details.

[gregor6549]

I do not see any particular novelty in this message, except perhaps for the fact that the composition of the airfield equipment includes satellite navigation devices. I saw everything else more than once on various exercises, including the West 81 exercises. Airfields for turntables and light transporters were created using perforated metal plates that could connect to each other and create the required runway configuration. Such airfields were equipped with the necessary set of communication equipment, air traffic control and take-off-landing, refueling facilities and maintenance, etc.
As a rule, transport helicopters, including MI26, were used to deliver this entire economy. Of course, such airfields were not suitable for take-off and landing of jet "whistles", but then there were hopes (alas, not justified) for the use of vertical take-off aircraft - Yakovlev’s landing. But there were problems with autobahns on the islands then. And on land, "road" airfields were then created in a decent amount, and not necessarily on domestic "highways". So this new, in fact, not completely forgotten old. Naturally, with some elements of novelty. In the West, similar airfields were also created then, including for jet Harriers.

[Doctor]

I do not see any particular novelty in this message, except perhaps for the fact that the composition of the airfield equipment includes satellite navigation devices.

Of course, all this has long been known, produced and used. Most likely, the usual K-1D is a prefabricated metal coating for an aerodrome runway. In the 90s, when they started to pull everything that badly belongs to everyone who had access and opportunity, there were fences in their dachas. They give out innovation for the slime among Americans after the war.

Although, perhaps not right. There are attempts to make from polymers.
http://ruspolimer-grupp.ru/resheniya/18-reshenie4

[Piramidon]

Baltic Fleet aviation conducted the first tests of a new mobile airfield, which was deployed in a few hours on the island of Gogland

And what is it? Weren't they the metal, prefabricated strips that we were once supplied with Lend-Lease.

In the years of the Second World War and after, a light-gathering coating was widely used from profiled steel strips fastened to each other, and assembled to form a fabric laid directly on the ground. Such coverage can still be found at small aerodromes and especially heliports. (Wikipedia)

We had such crap to the bomb depot laid as a road.

[Private-K]

Theoretically, a very useful thing for the dispersal of helicopters.
Such kits would be envisaged when using large helicopter landings ...

[yehat]

Kamov and mi-26 helicopters began to fly over me often
mi-26 flying close, this is something)))
I wonder what they do

[Avior]

. For the construction of runways, special metal plates are used,

When I served, I saw such runways, we called them camouflaged.
Through the perforation in the sheets of iron, the grass grew and looked like an ordinary field on top.
At the edge there were gas bumpers for jet aircraft, but did not see them take off

[Rwmos]

Sensibly. Asymmetric response to mini-aircraft carriers. And traditionally - orders of magnitude cheaper. mattresses flew over the nozzles again