Russian developers introduced the TSS / NAV-MD “Video Wall” for ships and vessels

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Russian companies continue to improve automated control systems for warships and ships of various kinds. One of the developed areas is the visualization system of various parameters - to obtain operational information about what is happening both on the ship itself and in the waters in which its route is laid.



An example of a project to visualize parameters that are relevant for the captain on the ship (the commander of the crew of a warship) is a video wall made of several monitors. As a specific development, we can name the “Video Wall” TSS / NAV-MD from the company “Valkom” (St. Petersburg).

This project is primarily intended for special vessels, including fishing vessels. The "video wall" consists of four monitors, each diagonal of which is 46 '' (inches). Accordingly, the diagonal of the entire video wall is 92 inches. The total size of the Video Wall TSS / NAV-MD is 2122x1210 mm. The weight of one system monitor is about 46 kg.

This tool is used to visualize information from almost any device, including navigation equipment, echo sounder, radar, etc.

Resolution - 1920x1200. The video equipment has various video input options, including VGA, DVI and HDMI. Work is carried out in two power supply modes - 220В / 24В.

In total, information from 16 video sources can be displayed on the video wall. Developers report the possibility of combining images. In this case, the captain (commander) and the watch assistant can control the screens from the touch panel (tablet), setting the required parameters.



Management is also carried out through a single trackball. Video sources are connected to monitors through a switch system.



The screens display cartographic data, information about the load of the vessel (ship), the parameters of the navigation plan, speed, climate, and much more.
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    1. +8
      14 August 2019 11: 37
      Convenient system. By the way, military sailors, despite the introduction of similar systems, also continue to train and are forced to use including simple and reliable marine stationery - a pair of compasses, a ruler, etc. You never know what happens with the visualization system ...
      1. -10
        14 August 2019 12: 55
        Wow! Right 21st century, for our museum ships just a jerk.
      2. +4
        14 August 2019 13: 17
        Grandfather's methods are used not only on our ships. A friend of mine, the former commander of the Kuznetsov, was on a visit to the American aircraft carrier and told me that they are taking over and introducing control of all this newfangled computer crap from us, through paper tablets and other means of "manual mechanization."
        They also well understand that all this electronics is good in peacetime and fight with the natives, but in a real battle it’s necessary to act like in the days of Columbus.
    2. +1
      14 August 2019 11: 40
      Standings to developers. Well done!
      1. +12
        14 August 2019 11: 50
        Is this, like, super-development ????
        to process the incoming signal through the ports of a regular computer and display on 4 monitors bought in e-bay? You really get smaller people, like Ukrainians, who already put into operation a bus stop with an orchestra.
        Any competent engineer who can program in C ++ can do this. In one snout, for half a year. It’s sad that they have reached such a level request
        get it right, that developing a new one is cool. But this is a trifle that hundreds should appear in a day. And we can do much more.
        1. +2
          14 August 2019 11: 57
          I would go and do it myself
          There are not just monitors connected. You need to make a convenient interface, software, convenient visualization, etc. etc
          This is certainly not a universal breakthrough, but the thing is convenient in operation.
          1. +14
            14 August 2019 12: 10
            I would go and do it myself

            I have done it more than once, that's why I say it. (fire alarm, tracking the movement of chartered vessels and cargoes, analysis and display of the brain encephalogram in real time, an assistant in the orientation of the radio antenna, robots for tracking the necessary points of trading in Forex, etc.)
            And secondly, it's a cheap joke - "if you don't like it, do it yourself."
            if you don’t like ballet or rap - can you dance and sing to set the level?
            I consider such jokes rudeness and cattle behavior.
            1. +1
              14 August 2019 13: 18
              This news was not initially positioned as something outstanding, it simply reported on the improvement of the visualization system. If it’s too small for you (here without irony), just pass by. Why so nervously attack the article ??
              1. +7
                14 August 2019 14: 01
                because I remember the times when it never occurred to anyone to call this news.
                I remember the times when every day was like this (in people who were involved in the creation)
                here is a simple example of what I did the most ordinary week at labs in free time from study: created holograms, then soldered the alarm, then switched to calculating the hydrodynamic model, then I started calculating the secret topic in the field of electromagnetic fields, which I’m not going to voice. And so every week. Tell me, the news that was voiced here - would it really be interesting to hundreds of people who worked in the USSR on real scientific and technical progress, and didn’t fill in the crosswords?
                There are interesting developments, but there are obvious ones like screwing a light bulb to the battery.
                1. +1
                  14 August 2019 14: 08
                  That country, unfortunately, is no longer in your case, such news can simply be treated with irony. Why and why such indignation? ... Where it is that something is being created is already good.
                  1. 0
                    14 August 2019 14: 22
                    Well, yes, from that I get a salary ...
            2. 0
              14 August 2019 14: 57
              I think there is a lot more there, besides software, monitors and interfaces. For example, serious protection against interference and electronic suppression, coded signals, pole protection of the "hardware" itself - this is not a laptop.
          2. +9
            14 August 2019 12: 28
            I would go and do it myself

            Well, it's you in vain, Sergey is absolutely right, I don’t know how professionally he succeeded, but the task is simple.
            The main thing is not clear why reinvent the wheel?
            Here are my friends, visit their website polymedia.ru.
            Go to the product catalog, view video walls, video wall controllers, video wall panels. The same "domestic development" in the sense of the Chinese parts themselves assembled and wrote the software themselves. Everything is very convenient everything is certified, perennial contracts with the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies.
            1. 0
              14 August 2019 13: 20
              And what’s wrong with just praising them for this ?? )))
              1. 0
                14 August 2019 17: 21
                in inflation the price of praise, in inflation of self-esteem, in inflation of life goals.
                in the 70s, few people wanted to brag about "we are like Americans"
                Everyone believed that we needed to do the best in the world and therefore did.
            2. 0
              14 August 2019 13: 44
              Yes, everything is simpler and simpler, only idiots are in charge, especially in the army ... And they don’t know how to prioritize .... Read my comment below .... And it’s just breathtaking from what should be done yesterday .. ..
          3. +5
            14 August 2019 12: 45
            Such Scada-systems have been used for a long time and all over the world. Even at our sunflower processing plant there is something like that. Visualization and ACS. True, we use two monitors and an operator panel. All from Germany - "Siemens". And the computers themselves - "Dell" with monitors And, accordingly, controllers, peripherals, all From there. Up to the contactors .. I don't see anything breakthrough in this. Of course, it's good that you yourself, but everything is there to the screw-foreign. Our brains and hands. Yes, and you are right-bk316, all this is assembled from ready-made cubes. Only specialists should program and connect, create an architecture.
            1. +3
              14 August 2019 13: 26
              Yes, and I want to add. Since I myself am engaged in the maintenance of such equipment. We have a couple of manufacturers of such equipment, but I doubt about monitors. This is, first of all, the Moscow "Aries" .. But again there the element base is not ours.
          4. 0
            15 August 2019 08: 00
            So nobody scares the developers, they did a useful thing. The point is that the author pulled out an ordinary thing for review (such a form of slightly disguised advertising), and the people fell for it. It is clear that the education of the majority is far from software development, but why attack a reasonable comment? Or is it the developer snapped "go do it yourself"?
        2. +4
          14 August 2019 13: 24
          Nobody says either in the article or in the comments here that this is some kind of breakthrough ... It just says about such a trend and that we are also engaged in this, and not only they, but also Transas (Vyartsila bought them for this + the topic of unmanned ships) as well as smaller offices. As for the fact that you yourself can develop such software - you are great. Only they create not just software, but a complex with hardware linked to all systems of a particular steamer, which implies partial participation in the design and construction and commissioning, as well as certification of all this under the Maritime Register. You confuse systems that require certain certification and meet all the specific requirements of regulatory standards, which are not "a thing in themselves and for themselves", but tied to all steamer systems - with some kind of freelance programming on the knee for a private person on order. And if this is put on a warship, or ships of the auxiliary fleet for the Navy, then this is generally a separate song, what else is needed. As for the hardware, they themselves produce the entire line of sensors, the controllers of the signal collection / issuance panels, when I worked with them on some projects, were foreign, but they assemble the panels themselves. They have many related ready-made solutions for KDMP, KDVP, cargo computer, various small specialized ship alarms, etc. and everything that is already approved by the Register and integrated into the ISUTS, you just take and buy, or prescribe in the technical specification or PZ of automation. Of all the ISUTS suppliers with whom I had to work, I liked Valkom most of all - they are close by in St. Petersburg, and the complete set with a list of signals can be changed quickly and painlessly for changes to the project, and all the information is quick, and the documentation is in the proper volume and form. Here the whole point is not a novelty, but the fact that you can buy and apply this ready-made (in terms of certification, documentation, etc.) solution, in fact, a small advertisement.
        3. 0
          14 August 2019 13: 41
          A set-off ... And the most interesting thing is that this is primarily necessary not for ships, but for monitoring the real-time positional situation in combat information systems, for example, in Syria ... But we simply do not have such systems, there is not even a concept about their concept and opportunities ... Otherwise, we would have ended the war in Syria in 2 months, by the most conservative standards ... And you can do this simply and yesterday, as in your example ...
          1. 0
            14 August 2019 15: 58
            I doubt it. But the United States has all of this for a very long time, but ...
        4. +1
          14 August 2019 15: 43
          And where does the article say that this is a "super development", the most advanced, revolutionary and in general - "unparalleled in the world" ??? What is the essence of the claims?
          1. +2
            14 August 2019 20: 06
            Very "manly", the question can not be answered, but put a minus!
        5. 0
          14 August 2019 17: 01
          Quote: yehat
          Any competent engineer who can program in C ++ can do this.

          And in other languages ​​you can type Delphi, Baysik.
        6. 0
          15 August 2019 11: 07
          You probably very poorly imagine the realities of Russian shipbuilding. By the way, using your monitors with ibeya on the bridge at night is very problematic. Personally, I always turn them off at night watch.
      2. +5
        14 August 2019 12: 27
        Of course, the developers are great, but for some reason, such monitors are already installed on my 2009 Korean-built vessel, although they are spaced in different parts of the bridge console. And to bring all this to 4 additional connected monitors, in general, is not a problem.
        1. +1
          14 August 2019 13: 36
          I will try to answer you. There is an opinion that the human brain is more difficult to cope with an array of information entered as if at one point. Sample video surveillance cameras. There, as it were, a certain amount on the screen is more difficult for a person to track. No, of course, all this is fixed, but still. Of course, there is priority information, navigation, the operation of critical systems, warning and alarm systems. This is of course best displayed on multiple monitors packaged together. Ten years ago, Koreans followed the first scenario.
          1. +1
            14 August 2019 14: 42
            I think this is not the case. On merchant ships there is no need to collect everything at one point. In addition to the captain, his assistants, the pilot, take part in the management of the vessel. I will not specify what they are doing, but crowding around at one place where all the information is concentrated, let’s say, is not very convenient. This is used in dynamic positioning systems, where the operator sits in front of several monitors and quickly responds to changes in current, wind, and in the event of a power failure.
        2. 0
          14 August 2019 15: 45
          And why shouldn't they be on your 2009 Korean-built ship ???
          1. -1
            14 August 2019 16: 52
            Because the improvement of self-propelled guns mentioned in the article is no innovation. These systems have long been on the ships of the merchant and offshore fleet.
            1. +1
              14 August 2019 20: 07
              And where does the article say that this is an innovation? I re-read it, did not find it!
    3. +4
      14 August 2019 11: 44
      on the title deed everything is in English ... is it all for foreign sailors?
      1. +1
        14 August 2019 11: 49
        It's like trampling wassat
    4. Kaw
      +5
      14 August 2019 11: 48
      It is a pity that all this is done from foreign components. Since in our country they do not produce either LCD displays, or processors, or modern radio components.
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      2. 0
        14 August 2019 12: 45
        Quote: Kaw
        It is a pity that all this is done from foreign components. Since in our country they do not produce either LCD displays, or processors, or modern radio components.

        In Germany, they also do not make their own processors or LCD displays. However, the submarine fleet rivets a little less than half of the whole NATA and do not steam. Well this is not cartridges for a Kalashnikov assault rifle, not rollers for tanks, not fuel for diesels. Well, they will block the oxygen in one Korean country, they will buy three hundred hundred LCD panels in another, in Chinese.
        1. +1
          14 August 2019 13: 48
          I disagree. In which case they can. And the processor and everything else. Trust me. The same data transfer buses, controllers and software (S5, S7) and not only from there. By the way, they put it on the "Leopard" of early issues. By the way, the Germans refused to supply us with operator panels, since they are dual-use products. Acquired through a sikos-nakos.
          1. +1
            14 August 2019 14: 37
            Quote: 210ox
            I do not agree. In which case they can. And the processor and everything else. Believe me.

            Do not hypnotize, without facts I will not believe.
            Here you take any Siemens, for example, you begin to pick it, and inside one Asian. How to be
    5. +9
      14 August 2019 11: 50
      Quote: maxim947
      By the way, military sailors, despite the introduction of similar systems, also continue to train and are forced to use including simple and reliable marine stationery - compass, ruler, etc.

      Not only the military. Civilians are also taught all this, navigation is the same everywhere. "Naval Astronomy" is still taught in maritime schools, as well as classical dead reckoning navigation. This is the foundation of a nautical business, without a solid foundation you cannot build a good house.
      stationery - compass, ruler, etc.

      These "stationery" supplies are called navigational tools ...
      1. +1
        14 August 2019 12: 50
        I recall the NATO members who, without GPS, simply cannot reach their destination, don’t focus on maps at all.
    6. 0
      14 August 2019 11: 54
      On a monitor with a diagonal of 115 cm, the resolution is 1920x1200 lines (in the old way)? Where did they find such a rarity, are there monitors of this size with such a low resolution now? Excuse me, did they try to make this "wall" from something that is not petrified?
      For a person familiar with video surveillance technology, such characteristics can cause outrage. Sight the sailors do not mind?
      Let at least they go to Oldie for example - there is a monitor of this size with a resolution of 3840x2160 pixels.
      1. +2
        14 August 2019 12: 13
        In my opinion, with a weight of 46 kg., This is not exactly the monitor that you can buy at OLDI ...
        I can easily hold my 55 "4K TV in my arms outstretched, but I absolutely cannot imagine it on the bridge of some cruiser or fishing trawler.
        Moisture and vibration protection, KMK gives some design features to this device ...
        request hi
      2. +3
        14 August 2019 12: 37
        Are there really monitors of this size with such a low resolution?

        Ah Andrei, it’s not your topic that’s immediately visible.
        Well, first of all, it’s a fairly common format called
        WUXGA, used in industrial display devices, protected laptops, tablets, etc.

        Secondly, as far as I understand, the trick here is that the SOURCE signal is in this resolution, and they decided to display one to one. Doubtful decision.

        In general, I already wrote above: everything is there and much better - from polymedia.
        1. +1
          14 August 2019 14: 19
          Vladimir, it's not just the format, but the size of this format. And also in the distance from the monitor to the observer. Probably, the size of the monitor should depend on the size of the GKP or the bridge, and for different cases it should be different - from 24 "and more.
          1. +1
            14 August 2019 14: 55
            GKP or bridge, and for different cases to be different - from 24 "and more.

            Here you are absolutely right. Therefore, I wrote about reinventing the wheel.
            In polymedia, the line of video walls with the same resolution is physically 5 times different in size, you can even assemble monitors of different sizes.

            You just wrote
            115cm resolution 1920x1200 lines (in the old terms)? Where did they find such rarity

            For example, a wonderful monitor dell c70116 fhd ALWAYS 70 INCHES laughing
            By the way there is an oldie laughing And if you watch TVs, this is generally mainstream.
            1. 0
              14 August 2019 16: 26
              In general, this video wall is a good thing, but "too revolutionary" for our ships, I suppose. In this discussion, sailors write that there is simply nowhere to place these monitors on the current chassis, and I agree with them. It is the very concept of the bridge that needs to be rebuilt. The case, one might say, affects the basis of ship control and should be included in the project: whether new, modernization ...
              1. +1
                14 August 2019 17: 11
                The case, one might say, affects the basis of ship control and should be included in the project: is it new, is it modernization ...

                Never been on the bridge of a warship, you are probably right.
                Saw from afar the situation center of the Ministry of Emergencies, he himself was in the operating rooms of, say, very large taxpayers laughing . There, the work of the system and operators is impressive, just like in a movie: a red thumbnail appeared on the screen and a picture went from the other end of the country, spread its fingers and triggered a zoom - another pin and telemetry went - another shift and a shift in the picture. But all this was really immediately designed for such devices.

                Once I was in a room where all the walls are video. After 10 minutes of stay, my head really got sick and it became somehow bad. So new technologies must be introduced wisely.
      3. 0
        14 August 2019 12: 44
        Well, here the claims are inappropriate - they look at such monitors from a distance, without looking at the details, and often briefly, so that the resolution (if the monitors themselves are normal) does not adversely affect the vision
        but it’s possible that not all metrics with the necessary granularity are displayed.
        1. +2
          14 August 2019 12: 50
          The other day I saw a video wall from polymedia
          7 on 4 just with such screens, that is 13440x4800
          Moreover, she is muttouch Software supports SIMULTANEOUS 200 points.
          They say several of these put in the MO.
    7. 0
      14 August 2019 12: 02
      I hope to finally get rid of such a relic of the past as "operators" who paint the environment on transparent glass. It looked terrible 20 years ago, but it turned out that it is still used today.
    8. +1
      14 August 2019 12: 04
      Resolution - 1920x1200. The video equipment has various video input options, including VGA, DVI and HDMI.

      FHD +, not bad. Although on such systems UHD would ...
      By the way, many have already abandoned VGA, even DVI ... Where's DP?
    9. +5
      14 August 2019 12: 07
      The total size of the "Video Wall" TSS / NAV-MD is 2122x1210

      Well, where should I hang it on the bridge? It will not work in front and on the sides of the wheelhouse - the glazing of the wheelhouse interferes. The aft part of the cabin is already hung with indicators of various devices and instructions "for all occasions". I recall in my mind the interior of the navigating bridges of both warships and civilian ships, where I had to visit, and I cannot find anywhere a free space for this "miracle". Guys, maybe you don't need to reinvent the wheel again? The interiors of the navigation bridges have long been formed: these are various screens and indicators of the console design, you can grab onto them even during a storm, and put a cup of coffee on the keyboard, lounging comfortably in an armchair nearby (At night, of course. And only in good weather). And these four TVs, "stitched" into one ... well done, what can I say. Creative ... But stupid. Nobody will alter the existing bridges for them.
    10. +4
      14 August 2019 12: 19
      Quote: maxim947
      thing is convenient to use.

      I tell you, like a sailor. Starpom. it absolutely useless thing on the bridge. What we really need is to saturate our ships and vessels with domestic navigation equipment. And even the "warriors" have "JRC" and "Furuno" at the GKP, I generally keep quiet about civilians - there is a dense dominance of a foreign manufacturer. From the domestic I saw only the Naiad radar of the 70-80 model, with a cathode-ray tube and the Don radar, of the Elvis Presley era. The funny thing is, they still work. Only lamps and transistors for them are no longer produced ...
    11. 0
      14 August 2019 12: 53
      Quote: Nikolai Semirechensky
      I hope to finally get rid of such a relic of the past as "operators" who paint the environment on transparent glass. It looked terrible 20 years ago, but it turned out that it is still used today.

      in my eyes a 5 year old teenager it looked gorgeous)))
      only by the age of 20 I realized that something was wrong here.
    12. +2
      14 August 2019 13: 33
      I will quote.
      The US Navy will abandon the use of touchscreens on its destroyers in favor of conventional mechanical steering wheels and motion control levers. The reason is the unnecessarily high level of difficulty in mastering the touch interface. The re-equipment of warships will begin in the summer of 2020, writes USNI News.

      The reason for this was the report of the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) on the investigation of the disaster involving two ships. The incident occurred on August 21, 2017, when the destroyer John S. McCain, who lost control, collided with the Alnic MC oil tanker off the coast of Singapore. The crash killed ten people, another 48 were injured.

      The role in the incident was played not only by the fatigue and lack of training of the sailors, but also by the too complicated control system of the destroyer based on touch screens, which did not allow taking the necessary actions in an emergency. The NTSB concluded that when the crew members tried to split the throttle and steering wheel controls between the consoles, they lost control and sent the warship directly toward the tanker.

      The report states that traditional mechanical controls are preferred on the command bridge because it "provides both immediate and tactile feedback to the operator." In addition, it is easier for sailors to become familiar with analog controls when they are transferred from one military vessel to another.
    13. 0
      14 August 2019 13: 46
      No one remembered the design features of military equipment for installation on board a warship. But in vain.
      If you recall, it will be clear that this is truly the success of developers and manufacturers.
      1. +1
        14 August 2019 14: 06
        Is this development military? not a word about it.
        and even if so, what is the achievement? Just bought more reliable iron.
    14. +1
      14 August 2019 14: 04
      Video wall with a million indicators, multi-touch for 200 touches. All this is fine until the first storm, some of them, due to information overload, rammed the tanker and howled about the good old levers.
    15. 0
      14 August 2019 14: 10
      Such systems are used, for example, in well drilling. The panel displays information from dozens of sensors, clearly showing how and where drilling is going. These panels are not for placement in front of the driller performing the drilling but for the rest of the personnel involved in the process and the authorities. At the central office, for example, in the dining room and recreation areas, for specialists working from other cities remotely.
    16. +1
      14 August 2019 16: 06
      One I noticed that in the characteristics of some crap?

      diagonal of each 46 '' (inches).
      The diagonal of the entire video wall is 92 inches.
      The weight of one system monitor is about 46 kg.
      Resolution - 1920x1200.


      First of all, what kind of monitors are these 46 kilos in weight? Any modern TV set weighs no more than 15 kg. And usually 11-12 kilos. If you remove excess electronics from the TV, then 46 kg will be enough for the entire "wall" and not for one monitor.
      And why such a permission, and most importantly how? If this is a native resolution, then I'm sorry, but if you find such monitors at all, the pixels there will be a finger thick. 800 dots per meter of width is more than a millimeter.
      And if this is a sampled value, then why? This is a double downsampling. The image will be blurry. Ana pictures and blur are not visible and the amount of information is clearly not at 1900 points!

      In short, it’s completely incomprehensible ...
      In my opinion, you need to read so that the weight of all wall monitors is 46 kilograms, and the resolution of each is 1920x1200. Moreover, in other sources they write that information from 6 sources can be displayed on the wall at the same time. But the fact that the resolution of each stream is 1920x1200 is understandable.
    17. 0
      14 August 2019 16: 29
      Quote: yehat
      Is this development military? not a word about it.
      and even if so, what is the achievement? Just bought more reliable iron.

      Only a warship is called a "ship", therefore, "ships" and "ships" are distinguished separately
      Unfortunately, you are not familiar with the basics of design, so you think that "hardware is more reliable" is a solution to the problem.
    18. -1
      14 August 2019 16: 33
      Quote: abc_alex
      One I noticed that in the characteristics of some crap?

      diagonal of each 46 '' (inches).
      The diagonal of the entire video wall is 92 inches.
      The weight of one system monitor is about 46 kg.
      Resolution - 1920x1200.


      First of all, what kind of monitors are these 46 kilos in weight? Any modern TV set weighs no more than 15 kg. And usually 11-12 kilos. If you remove excess electronics from the TV, then 46 kg will be enough for the entire "wall" and not for one monitor.

      In my opinion, you need to read so that the weight of all wall monitors is 46 kilograms, and the resolution of each is 1920x1200. Moreover, in other sources they write that information from 6 sources can be displayed on the wall at the same time. But the fact that the resolution of each stream is 1920x1200 is understandable.


      It’s in these kilograms that allows you to use the system on board the ship
      1. 0
        15 August 2019 14: 21
        Quote: E.S.
        It’s in these kilograms that allows you to use the system on board the ship

        What exactly? 30 kilograms of what? I understand that this is definitely not a wall mount, because it should be common. Or are there steel casings?
    19. -1
      14 August 2019 16: 37
      Quote: malyvalv
      Such systems are used, for example, in well drilling. The panel displays information from dozens of sensors, clearly showing how and where drilling is going. These panels are not for placement in front of the driller performing the drilling but for the rest of the personnel involved in the process and the authorities. At the central office, for example, in the dining room and recreation areas, for specialists working from other cities remotely.

      And on the ship, the panel is located ten meters away and on the same piece of iron, to which a medium-caliber gun is screwed, which also bangs in bursts.
    20. 0
      14 August 2019 18: 49
      Quote: Kaw
      It is a pity that all this is done from foreign components. Since in our country they do not produce either LCD displays, or processors, or modern radio components.

      Something tells me that the cost of a written software product may exceed half the cost of the entire system in the export version. And a piece of iron without software is just a piece of iron.
    21. 0
      14 August 2019 18: 53
      Quote: yehat
      Is this, like, super-development ????

      Where is it said that it is "super"? And if not super, then why don't we do such useful things ourselves, and even export them.
      I do not understand what your claim is? And why is this discontent?
    22. -1
      14 August 2019 19: 25
      ep your mother. 4 TVs put a square and that’s all. The “Video Wall” TSS / NAV-MD is pathetic as laughing
    23. 0
      15 August 2019 02: 35
      Quote: Nikolay87
      ep your mother. 4 TVs put a square and that’s all. The “Video Wall” TSS / NAV-MD is pathetic as laughing


      Here you hang your TV on an iron sheet and shy with a sledgehammer on the back of this sheet, and then tell whether it’s pathetic or not. Do you lie, you’ll find a gun, so at least try something with a sledgehammer

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    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"