Russian diplomat at UN answers British claims on Crimea and Syria

Acting Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Dmitry Polyansky did not leave without comment the statement of the British Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Karen Pierce. Pierce touched on Crimean and Syrian issues during her speech. According to her, “Ukrainian citizens living in Crimea and not having received Russian citizenship are faced with problems without access to basic types of services.”

Ms. Pearce, referring to the mission of the International Committee of the Red Cross, added that the people of Syria are facing hunger problems. In the end, Pierce accused Russia of violating international humanitarian law.

According to Dmitry Polyansky, international humanitarian law should not be the subject of manipulation. Polyansky noted that Russia had previously declared hunger in a number of regions of Syria, but neither London nor Washington reacted to this in any way. Perhaps for the reason that the main foci of a humanitarian catastrophe are located exactly where control is carried out by the United States (NATO). Example: El Rukban Camp.

Polyansky also noted that, speaking of Crimea, the British Permanent Representative forgets about an important detail: there is no war on the territory of Russia, including Crimea, but in the West they are trying to state “humanitarian problems” solely in relation to the Russian Federation. At the same time, the war continues in Ukraine, but for some reason Ms. Pearce does not mention the problems of observing international humanitarian law in this country.

Dmitry Polyansky called this approach a typical example of double standards.

Comments

[andrewkor]

Snout, snout of petty shit in theirs shit!

[210ox]

But really .. What else are there those who live there with a Ukrainian passport? If there is, then it’s time to decide — everything is completely clear.

[Avior]

There, the vast majority of the population lives with Ukrainian passports.
The Russians have received, but are not going to leave Ukrainian citizenship.
Both ours and yours

[viktorR]

Before writing nonsense about "both ours and yours," at least inquired about the procedure for exiting ukrograzhdanstvo, there is almost a Khokhlyadsky prezik himself must sign, if he wants, of course.
It’s hard to call anyone a Crimean, it’s hard to call Crimea a Crimean soldier, but it’s already happened on the contrary.

[Avior]

Well, write that two million Crimeans filed applications, but they are not signed.
Recently in Prague I met a woman from Simferopol, arrived on a tourist trip with a Ukrainian passport
I'm happy with everyone, but I’m not going to leave Ukrainian citizenship for 2 reasons
1. It is convenient both for trips to relatives in Ukraine and for trips to Europe, and does not create any problems.
2. You never know how it will be.
According to her, most have the same views on this.

[Rey_ka]

Is this not called yours and ours?

[seregatara1969]

yeah - like all State Duma deputies, three passports in different names

[gurzuf]

No, not that. You should ask the Sberbank about this for what reason he does not want to work in the Russian Crimea.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: gurzuf

No, not that. You should ask the Sberbank about this for what reason he does not want to work in the Russian Crimea.

Nothing personal just business. This is from the same opera, why in Kazakhstan gasoline from Russian companies is 1,5 times cheaper than at home and why in the Czech Republic a mortgage from the savings bank is 1,63% ...

[viktorR]

Now I’ll call all my friends and write to Aksenov and Razvozhayev that we all must submit documents, otherwise Avior does not believe us, sees us as enemies of the people.
And about the woman and her passport coming out for trips to Europe, for Europe you need to go to Kherson and get biometrics there.
So she has a new passport, and this passport is foreign. And yes, many do so, since they have no other options, with a black sheep even a shred of wool.

"2. You never know what will happen next." - but this is quite reasonable, 91 years are still in memory

Many dill passers just go to Ukraine to relatives.

Can you somehow clearly indicate your claim to us? You do not like that the Crimeans do not want to be infringed on their capabilities? And so banks and mobile operators work even in space but not in Crimea, do you want to limit us even more?
Thank you, there too.

[Avior]

Did you notice that you have actually fully confirmed what I wrote?

[viktorR]

No, I didn't notice. You wrote that we are both "ours and yours", and I wrote to you that we simply have no other options.

I ask again, since you are spinning like a snake in a frying pan. FORMULATE please your claim more clearly!

Do you want me to repent for my ukropasport? Then first you repent for leaving us at 91, it is not even "ours and yours", this is a direct betrayal.

Without evaluating 91 years and formulating the concept of "both ours and yours" in a clearer pretense, I will probably stop the conversation. Otherwise, the discussion is not very successful. You force me to make excuses, but you yourself don't even pay attention to my questions, somehow vile.

[Avior]

but in my opinion it’s like you are in a frying pan.
I clearly formulated my opinion

I'm happy with everyone, but I’m not going to leave Ukrainian citizenship for 2 reasons
1. It is convenient both for trips to relatives in Ukraine and for trips to Europe, and does not create any problems.
2. You never know how it will be.
According to her, most have the same views on this.

You have fully confirmed it.

So she has a new passport, and this passport is foreign. And yes, many do so, since they have no other options, with a black sheep even a shred of wool.

"2. You never know what will happen next." - but this is quite reasonable, 91 years are still in memory

Many dill passers just go to Ukraine to relatives.

What else do you want from me?
My agreement with you, that Crimeans act so reasonably?
Well, let's say I agree with you.
What's next?

[viktorR]

What else do you want from me?

So that you don't write shit about "ours and yours"

What's next?

Further, the answer to the question about 91 years.

[Avior]

Well, then formulate yourself how I needed to write about the desire of Crimeans to retain Ukrainian citizenship for convenience and just in case the situation turns out to be useful to Ukrainian citizenship, since you don’t like my wording.

[viktorR]

well then formulate yourself

Okay
In fact, this is not "ours and yours" but quite the opposite. Crimeans do not have all the rights and opportunities that citizens of the Russian Federation have.
Normal formulated?
They said nothing about the year 91?

[Avior]

In fact, this is not "ours and yours" but quite the opposite.

on the contrary, is it "yours and ours"?
it's you about 91 years stubbornly silent.
in fact, it turns out, you admit that Crimea will return to Ukraine and want to play it safe in this case, and bring the situation of '91, as a justification for your position?
Did I understand you correctly?

[viktorR]

on the contrary, is it "yours and ours"?

Blurry again :)

in fact, it turns out, admit that Crimea will return to Ukraine and

Yes, I admit that Russia will merge us again. Or are there things you are 100% sure of? Moreover, even now we are not the same equal citizens of the Russian Federation as the rest.
Yes, I don’t want to stay on the street when I don’t have any documents left and I can’t prove that the land I bought in Ukraine and on which I built a house is really mine. Moreover, these same documents, including dill passport, may be needed in case of some disputes in the legal field of the Russian Federation, for example, legitimizing a car in leasing taken in Ukraine.

it's you about 91 years stubbornly silent.

Ahahaha :) purely in Ukrainian accuse the interlocutor of his pro @ be :)
Nothing that I raised this topic? Well, definitely a provocator :)

Once again, please put on the shelves what does "yours and ours" mean? What exactly is “ours” and what exactly is “yours”?

[Avior]

An empty argument.
The man asked a lot in the Crimea with Ukrainian passports, I answered him that the majority, below, in response to your post, I explained why Ukrainian passports were saved.
With what I wrote, you essentially agree, are you confused by the phrase both ours and yours, with which I assessed the situation?
Okay, I can’t erase it, consider that I took it back if it is painful for you.

... on the contrary, is it "yours and ours"?
Blurry again :)

You seem to own Russian. Read carefully what you yourself wrote.

... this is not "ours and yours" but quite the opposite

Write then what you have for the "opposite" such.
In my opinion, the fact that, having received Russian citizenship, you keep your Ukrainian passport, precisely because you allow the return of Crimea to Ukraine, this is the position of both ours and yours.
However, I do not insist on this assessment, as I wrote above, it is more important for me that this issue is essentially covered.
I do not see the subject for further discussion

[viktorR]

An empty argument.

Well, yes, when I realized that I was wrong, but you can’t admit your mistakes, to say this is the way out :). Why are you having this argument for half a day if it's empty :)?

Write then what you have for the "opposite" such.

Logic problems? "and yours and ours" = - "not yours, not ours"
As a result, we left Ukraine (not yours) and did not completely enter Russia (not ours, I’m tired of writing about banks, mobile communications, government agencies, business, now also your accusations that I am waiting for Ukraine with a Ukrainian passport :) )

You keep your Ukrainian passport, precisely because you allow the return of Crimea to Ukraine

- You, all the same, have obvious problems with the logic. I already wrote the reasons for saving the passport, take the trouble to read them one more time, there is no such clause that I keep my passport for returning to Ukraine.
But this does not deny that they can re-merge us, and someone may have such reasons. But this still does not mean that everyone has a reason for saving a passport exactly as you described. I will tell you even more, the results of the referendum showed the opposite, but you seem to doubt them.

In short, I admit repeated occupation of Crimea by Ukraine, but I do not save my passport for this, is it more accessible :)?

[Okolotochny]

Yes, I admit that Russia will merge us again.

Do not smack nonsense. In the 91st, it was not Russia that merged, but the clique that was in power. 2014 did not prove to you that there is no turning back? Hundreds of billions have not been injected into your infrastructure? The sanctions introduced is not an indicator? By the way, the Serbs, unlike you, are really Brothers. Evil against Russia in 1999. do not hold. Because they divide the people and the country, and the kings of that time. And if you want to change the caps in the film, then so truthfully and tell me, we will understand.

[Nikolka]

True, the beginning of the 90s is a tragedy for the Soviet people. This is a common pain. Why should we repent before Crimeans? But still you can’t eat with your hands and look into the forest. You already somehow decide ...

[viktorR]

Well, as if after the collapse of the USSR in 94 Crimea, he wanted to become part of the Russian Federation as a Republic, for this they adopted their constitution and chose Mishkov (Party of Russia).

Why should we repent before Crimeans?

At first they gave us to Ukraine, and then, when we asked to go back, you stupidly ignored us. Crimeans do not need to repent for sure, but after two races, consider leaked to kick us for dill passports, so-so venture.
Sberbank and a bunch of other state-owned companies could not decide, and work in the Crimea, and the Crimeans should already be determined.
In fact, we decided on March 16, 2014, but the RF has not yet been determined.

[Nikolka]

Yes, I actually have on the drum how many and what kind of patch ports you have. You please do not apply your claims to the authorities, banks, etc. to the people of Russia as a whole. They are not WE. And the abyss is increasing.

[viktorR]

Yes, I actually have on the drum how many and what kind of patch ports do you have

What is this?

You already somehow decide ...

But still you can’t eat with your hands and look into the forest.

What is this nonsense about the forest?

[Okolotochny]

[quote] but the RF has not yet been determined. [/ quot
Explain! If you are for Sberbank, MTS, Gazprom, etc. I will explain - we are currently living in the era of GLOBAL ECONOMY. Do you understand? Not during the Juche period. These companies have glad units located in the countries of the collective west. They will OFFICIALLY enter Crimea, then they will be subject to sanctions. I am not talking about what is good or bad - this is a given of this historical moment. Our economy is not so strong as to spit on system-forming banks and companies. Sberbank, MTS, Gazprom, Rosneft pay TAXES to the BUDGET of the Russian Federation. From which they allocate money, including for your pensions, power plants, roads. That is, including you use the money that earned Sber, including earned in the west.

[viktorR]

I know all this, and it is precisely because of this that Crimeans cannot be told about the fact that they say they didn’t ask for their passports, or “if they make themselves biometric hohlopasports, it means they are both ours and yours,” as the topicstarter said, there are other options to get Schengen from there are practically none. And yes, it will be difficult without dill. It is difficult to go to Ukraine to visit relatives, it is difficult to prove something in court. After all, until the age of 14, all the docks were Ukrainian and the passport numbers there were also Ukrainian.

[viktorR]

Do not smack nonsense

Dear, hold the horses :). I agree with you about the clique and infusions, etc. And I myself will butt to the last for Mother Russia :). In the context of the conversation, I’m considering that a clique may come and merge us again, that’s all.

By the way, the Serbs, unlike you really Brothers

There is no need here to stir up about brothers not brothers. Thanks to us "bad brothers" OUR with you Sevastopol and Crimea have been saved, and Brothers Serbs can soon join NATO. And you must understand, I don't bear any grudge, I understand that Russia itself has been occupied, and perhaps to some extent it has been occupied so far. But I cannot rule out a repetition of such a scenario.

[Okolotochny]

that a clique may come and merge us again

So she tries. Look at the slogans at the Moscow actions, for Crimea in particular. Look at the comments of some of the militants on the VO under the articles for these actions. And no offense - with your comments you echo them.

[Demon_is_ada]

Victor, it is common for comrades from Israel to tease in a conversation without thinking about the essence of the issue, do they eat emotions But if the essence of the question is if our person (by mentality), then why should I forbid him that makes his life better, morally and financially, is it not important, and does not harm my fellow human beings in any way? Well, in addition to the Ukrainian passport, you also need American and Zimbabwean, please Stirlitz clearly had German citizenship, but from this he did not cease to be ours And did everything for the good of his people If the oligarchs, having three passports each, dragged everything into the house, as the American comrades do by the way, then generally a problem ... but they drag harming his people ...
Now let's get close to the invisible side of the coin, I thought for a long time why in Ukraine, in Syria, the same tactics are not tudy and not syudy, it seems like everything is done correctly, but very slowly ... And then the thought dawned - there was a banal game on the nerves among the population, that is, sorting by mentality, squeezing out objectionable outside the territory. That is, a more emotional being simply fades to permanent residence somewhere, and it is an emotional being that is more prone to betrayal and betrayal. The effect was clearly manifested in the Baltic states, the Russian-speaking population will soon remain there, the rest have already fallen ... To catch Bandera and Basmachis for 20 years, as it was already in our history, it is very financially and even worse than the irreparable loss of people, and the best ones. Partisanism is that hemorrhage ... And here it is done by a more bloodless method and much cheaper, though for a longer time These are my thoughts

[viktorR]

Madly plus!

[Errr]

Quote: Okolotochny

And if you want to change the caps in the film, then so truthfully and tell me, we will understand.

Events of October 1919. Almost a hundred years have passed, but the armored train is still there.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

it was necessary to write about the desire of the Crimeans to preserve Ukrainian citizenship ....... idle nonsense, the Ukrainian passports of the Crimeans are simply in hand, but they are not valid, they just are, and the citizens who have received them after reaching the age of 14 are no longer there , so no need to play Vanka, about "maybe" --- maybe only a Bababets from Simferopol in Geyrop, and for the overwhelming number of Crimeans, the Kiev junta came up with an article for 8 years of arrest, and these are all polls employees of state structures and security forces structures, you should not confuse the opinion of Mamzeli from Simferopal, as well as from Urengoy, with the opinion, in particular, with the fighter of the Sevastopol "Berkut" burnt by imbits in Kiev 2014, be easier on the turns

[kpd]

To simply submit an application you need:
1. Have a Ukrainian passport;
2. Reside outside Ukraine for at least five years, being on consular records;
3. And, by the way, not a statement, but a request for renunciation of citizenship, now all this is strictly at the discretion of the state.

On the first point - the majority of Crimeans did not draw up a foreign passport, on the second - Ukraine is not going to put Crimeans on consular records, therefore all applications are simply ignored. This procedure was introduced as soon as Yanukovych "left", specifically to prevent the Crimeans from leaving Ukrainian citizenship.

[Avior]

Obtaining the citizenship of another country, including Russian, is a sufficient basis at least to file an application for withdrawal from Ukrainian.

[viktorR]

Sergey, maybe enough already to teach Crimeans life. When all the banks of the Russian Federation, or at least state-owned ones, will work in the territory of Crimea, when there will be no problems with obtaining visas from people with Crimean registration, when mobile communications from space will finally get to Crimea, then we’ll talk about what we owe and to whom.
I don't understand what you are trying to prove or get? Do you want all Crimeans to apply for renunciation of citizenship? A statement that no one will ever react to? And then they did not have the opportunity to visit relatives in Ukraine, to get a visa only by going to Krasnodar and "buying" registration there, trying to get Schengen and most likely not getting it, because the passport was issued in Crimea?
It seems to me that you are a Hohlyad provocateur, it’s just like that :). I do not see other motives, and for the umpteenth time I ask you to open them, but you avoid these questions.

[Avior]

He did not teach anyone and did not want anything.
I described the situation as it is, you have confirmed my description, the only question is how to call it.
well, form the position "I will not hand over the Ukrainian passport, you never know what" somehow differently, as you can see, and that's it.

[viktorR]

He did not teach anyone and did not want anything.

I agree, just blurt out your tongue without thinking.

well, form the position "I will not hand over the Ukrainian passport, you never know what" somehow differently, as you can see, and that's it.

I will not write anything new, well, since you still do not understand, I will try especially for you.

In the early 90s, Russia stupidly merged us. Now having ukropasport "just in case" Crimeans do not violate any laws, and moreover, they have a full maral right to do so. Although not all Crimeans keep their passports outright, more than half of them no longer have them, if they did not know they need to be changed after 25 and 45.

I keep mine and the truth "just in case", for example, in case I need to go to my relatives in Ukraine. Or in case of confirmation of some real estate transactions concluded in Ukraine.

I already wrote about banks and mob communication, which works even in space, but not in the Crimea.
That's when the Crimeans will have the same living conditions with all other citizens of the Russian Federation, then you will talk about the fact that we personally owe you there.

Available? Deal with the end? Or will you again bleat and hint that we are all traitors here?

[Avior]

no need to compose for me.
I didn’t write that they were all traitors, they didn’t teach anyone how to live, that someone owed someone and everything else that you ascribe to me, carefully read my posts above, there’s nothing there.
I didn’t write anything to you personally, I wrote to a completely different person with a description of the situation and my assessment of it.
With the description of the situation, as you confirmed, I did not lie with regard to the assessment - well, you think that it is called differently - it's up to you.

[viktorR]

I did not write that all traitors

And you can link to the post where I am writing, what did you write? I wrote about a hint, and the wording "both ours and yours" is precisely this hint. So it's you who compose, not me.

taught nobody how to live, that someone owed someone and everything else

Well, write that two million Crimeans filed applications, but they are not signed.

It implies that you think that two million Crimeans should apply to prove to you that they are not "both yours and ours", just do not move on to the fact that you just wrote it, just walked by and just wrote it. You will look low again.

Do you know what "both ours and yours" is when Sberbank (consider the state bank) does not work in Crimea (this is yours) and when it even works in Russia everywhere except Crimea (this is ours)

[savment]

Well, what kind of mobile connection does not work for you. You are probably still talking on the field telephone, or like at 17, the ale young lady Smolny.

[viktorR]

Ale young lady Smolny.

Well, not so of course, but something like this:
https://pikabu.ru/story/bilayn_v_reklame_pokazal_chto_svyaz_lovit_dazhe_v_kosmose_no_melkim_shriftom_utochnil_chto_yeto_ne_rasprostranyaetsya_na_kryim_i_sevastopol_5686164

In fact, we only have MTS and then undercover.

[savment]

Again, not true, not just pay. Wave Mobile. I myself am from St. Petersburg. I was in Yevpatoriya in 16 year. My tariff was unlimited, which is now. All vacation in Crimea was an unlimited Internet, although there was a wave in roaming on the network. And now a friend lives in Sevastopol and does not break off at all due to mobile communications. Enough of getting stupid. It's disgustingly simple. They are injecting so much money into you that some Pskov and Novgorod region have never dreamed of. See how other regions live. Not to offer Chechnya and Tatarstan with Bashkiria.

[viktorR]

Do you know which Volna mobile code? 978, but still the same code, suddenly, at MTS Krasnodar. What brings us back to

In fact, we only have MTS and then undercover.

They inject so much money into you that some Pskov and Novgorod region have never dreamed of

uh, I do not understand, are you reproaching me? You know what the next stage is? You will shout with bulkheads "Stop feeding Crimea !!!!"

[savment]

And then what. No mobile connection and internet? And about reproaching, I do not reproach. There is simply no need to engage in sausage production and say that everything is bad when there are regions with a worse situation.

[viktorR]

No mobile connection and internet?

By the way, the Internet is excellent! The connection is just one, and in order to choose the "unlimited" tariff I need to drive to Krasnodar for a SIM card. And yes, the connection is not very good. There is no one to choose from.

And as to reproach, I do not reproach

- this is exactly what you are doing.

when there are regions with worse situations.

In what other region does Sberbank not work? Or any other bank where I can get a mortgage or a loan under similar conditions?

And then what

I already wrote

You will shout with bulkheads "Stop feeding Crimea !!!!"

[savment]

Everything is clear with you, cry on. Like you, nowhere will it be good. Arrive in St. Petersburg, immediately buy 4 SIM cards of different operators and talk on them at the same time, and you will be happy. It's all like that, with four phones go. And do not forget to make yourself a Sberbank card, immediately enter the number of favorites. Here in St. Petersburg who has a Sberbank card immediately catches God for Faberge. I say the truth, it is. Kindergarten just pants on the straps.

[viktorR]

Everything is clear with you, cry on.

Do not wait :)
You did not understand the message and the dispute with the top starter and rushed to the head with a checker :)
Well, this is excusable, we fought at once in two branches, for this you probably did not see the whole picture.
Avior rebuked Crimeans that we did not pass Ukrainian citizenship, and when he realized that it was impossible to do it de facto, he rebuked once again that all 2 million Crimeans did not write 2 million applications for citizenship. Like if we didn’t do it then it’s almost a betrayal on our part. But I simply reminded him that Crimea had never surrendered Russia to Russia, but on the contrary it was.
The meaning of today's whole srach comes down to the fact that it’s not worth telling how we live, and that our conditions are different, and that even if I get a Ukrainian biometric, this does not mean that I am a traitor to the Motherland, it just means that I don’t another way out! That's all, that's the whole kindergarten and you with a saber on the head :)

[savment]

But it doesn’t matter to me. Need a Ukrainian passport, keep it. Everyone is free to do their own thing. History will put everything in its place. The most important thing is that officials do not have several passports, so that there are fewer opportunities to escape when they press their tail. And to pass a Ukrainian passport if there are relatives in Ukraine is stupid if this facilitates communication with them.

[savment]

I agree with you on this.

[Wanted]

Well, by God I can not resist, but do you know such a thing as competition? And in the absence of such competition, this th MTS pumped such money off from us, I got tired of already cursing with them. So the number of operators matters, as does the number of banks, not 3-4 banks, but in fact only 2. And about the huge infusion of attendants, I advise you in Sevastopol to take a drive along the Kamyshovaya bypass and see where your attendants are digging in, people are standing in traffic jams for 4 years even on a day off.

[savment]

Do you think that MTS behaves honestly. Also, at any opportunity, cheats and tries to cheat. You can only come to terms with this.

[Wanted]

You can accept it, but you can switch to another operator, but not to us!

[savment]

There are always traffic jams in St. Petersburg

[SIROP73]

Vitaliy, you will ride around the Moscow Ring Road any day of the week, and you will realize that you have not seen traffic jams yet. This does not affect the infusion of cash.

[Wanted]

There was an easy example about traffic jams. I will not discuss with you about traffic jams, local residents will understand everything, the essence was different.

[Voyager]

Firstly, if my memory serves me, then according to Ukrainian law it is impossible to have several citizenships. Only one, Ukrainian. According to this logic, those who received Russian passports automatically become at least in limbo from the point of view of Ukrainian citizenship.
Secondly, we recall the year 2014 and a lot of videos on how to massively throw passports into the trash or burn. Formally, there may be no detachments, but many people stupidly have no documents and all bridges with Ukraine were burned.

2. You never know how it will be.
According to her, most have the same views on this.

It is not true. I have a house there myself, and I haven’t heard anything like that from relatives or friends.

[Alex Nevs]

What is the Ukrainian legislation? Their constitution is torn.

[Wanted]

Passports were torn in euphoria, but it goes off and people are immersed in everyday problems. Where are our heroes who received medals for the return of the Crimea? There was only Aksyonov who was ready and on Putin’s knees to make a ride to be closer to the top.

[Voyager]

The only real problems for the population after the questions of the building bridge, electricity and water supply there are now associated with the wild amount of re-issuing documents for themselves, their property, and so on. There are a lot of violations or simply ancient data that no one has dealt with. And the problem of assimilation with Russian laws and regulations on taxes, for this you need to change, yes. But I have never heard from anyone even the thought of the slightest assumption of putting everything back. Moreover, this is unrealistic, the peninsula will no longer leave Russia, even under pain of world war.

[Wanted]

And no one talks about returning, I was not behind the militia for this, the fact is that people who do not live in Crimea and Sevastopol try to talk about our problems knowing them only by hearsay, while making ambiguous hints and blaming us for here they filled up with dough, only by comparing the amount of allocated funds and really visible changes, we can understand that they reach us only on paper.

[Voyager]

I understand you, Vitaly, but I'm not one of those people you are talking about, although I only live periodically on the peninsula.

[210ox]

Okay, okay. So where are the sufferings of these "unfortunates" with Ukrainian papyr?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 210ox

So where are the sufferings of these "unfortunates" with Ukrainian papyr?

This is according to the small British classification of "highlike"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

2. You never know how it will be.

And as always, according to the Ukrop version, they want to receive benefits from Ukraine, but they want to live in Russia and receive all the benefits like Russians. Sorry dear svidomye "two boobs with one hand can not be grasped."

[viktorR]

2. You never know how it will be.

We have the right to ourselves.
Crimea never betrayed Russia, but in the first half of the 90s, Russia surrendered Crimea. The fears are well founded.

benefits from Ukraine

Can I get more details? How many people receive "benefits" and most importantly what?
Only a foreign passport and then, not all of them received it, and only because another option for obtaining a Schengen involves the "purchase" of registration in another region and often simply does not work.
I already wrote about banks and mob communication, which works even in space, but not in Crimea. That's when the Crimeans will have the same living conditions with all other citizens of the Russian Federation, then you will talk about "two boobs" in fact, instead of boobs, we keep something else.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: viktorR

that's when you will talk about "two boobs" in fact, instead of boobs, we keep something else.

Well then we can do without "boobs". It turns out that people live better in / in Ukraine.

[viktorR]

People in Ukraine live differently, but mostly worse than in Russia.
No boobs are needed :).
I'm trying to convey to you that people in Crimea live as they can, and not as they should. And in terms of banks and mobs of communication and sanctions, we really do not keep a tit :). But to assert that we want some kind of privileges from Ukraine and that we have some kind of Ukrop options, too, an overkill! It's not a shame that I have to suffer shit with zip codes and vpns and write instead of Sevastopol in the Sebastepol address when I try to order something on Ali, x @ p with them, they are not ours. It's a shame that we don't have a Sberbank, a state bank !!! And many state companies have hammered a bolt on us, we are not there and that's it. And when we are half-baked citizens like that, all sorts of tihonmarine and Avior write to us that they say we are bad here, "ours and yours." Such conversations are not close to the slogans "enough to feed the Crimea!" You still tell the people of St. Petersburg that they have Schengen according to a simplified scheme, or Kaliningraders that they are almost in Europe :).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: viktorR

It's a shame that we do not have Sberbank, a state bank !!! And many state-owned companies scored a bolt on us, we don’t have everything.

Yes, I know, a lot of my friends with whom I went to sea from Sevastopol, was there three years ago and was aware of the problems, but not as with the "Svidomo". And I am offended for the Crimea, although I do not live in Russia.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: tihonmarine

And as always, according to the dill variant, they want to receive benefits from Ukraine,

And what about the "benefits from Ukraine" in more detail?

[Wanted]

Dear, tihonmarine, and what benefits are we talking about, about going abroad? So this problem should be solved by the state, or should we sit on our "island" without getting out?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: viktorR

Before writing nonsense about "both ours and yours," at least inquired about the procedure for exiting ukrograzhdanstvo, there is almost a Khokhlyadsky prezik himself must sign, if he wants, of course.
It’s hard to call anyone traitors, but Crimeans I have never handed over Crimea to Russia, but on the contrary it has already happened.

Well, they started for health, finished for peace. This is when Russia handed over the Crimea? The historical reality is that Russia conquered Crimea from the Turks, and Russia, in 2014, returned Crimea to its jurisdiction, removing it from the illegal possession of Ukraine, where Khrushchev shoved it. USSR and Russia, these are slightly different concepts.

[viktorR]

To begin with, Sevastopol was never under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR. We continue with the fact that in the early 90s we held referenda and even adopted our own constitution and elected our president (Yuri Meshkov Bloc "Russia"). But Russia did not support him, he had to flee. And there were rallies and stuff. And where was Russia when Khmara and Korchinsky went around Sevastopol and shouted that Crimea would be deserted or Ukrainian? Examine the question.

[Stoker of the stoker]

And here, comrade, you are wrong. According to the Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR of 78 years, the paragraph on the administrative structure (70 with something article) indicates the city of republican subordination: Kiev and Sevastopol. The Constitution of the RSFSR, the city of rep. subordination-Moscow and Leningrad.
Somewhere in the 66th quiet glanders Sevastopol surrendered the Ukrainian SSR. Although some speak for the 76th, but the details. There is no state, there is no fundamental law.

[viktorR]

The cities of republican subordination are indicated: Kiev and Sevastopol

Did not know :)
Well, then it's time for us to sing the right hymn:
https://youtu.be/Eqw2hNxf8SM?t=51

I understand no more arguments?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: viktorR

To begin with, Sevastopol was never under the jurisdiction of the Ukrainian SSR.

No dear, let's start with the fact that this is your attempt to tighten Russia's responsibility for the fate of the entire Crimea using the status of Sevastopol as an argument. I do not argue in the sense that if, in the collusion of Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich, as a condition for the signing of the act, Yeltsin put forward the demand for the return of Crimea under the jurisdiction of the RSFSR, then Kravchuk, for the sake of obtaining full power, would unequivocally agree with this condition, but alas, this did not took place. The fact is that Yeltsin was not interested in preserving the territories. Yeltsin's phrase - "Take as much sovereignty as you want" almost led to the fact that a number of other regions almost left Russia.

Quote: viktorR

And where was Russia when Khmara and Korchinsky went around Sevastopol and shouted that Crimea would be deserted or Ukrainian?

Where. She dispersed the Emergency Committee in 91, and shot her parliament in October 93, and then was dragged into the Chechen conflict. Against this background, the economic collapse, hyperinflation and a half-starved army withdrawn into the fields from the Warsaw Pact countries, the protection of the Tajik-Afghan border and a bunch of interethnic conflicts along the entire periphery. At that time, drawing Russia into a conflict with Ukraine over Sevastopol and the Crimean issue was not the best prospect, since Turkey would obviously have been involved in its solution. Sevastopol is not the whole Crimea and Russia, as a "prize" could receive an enclave, completely isolated from all sides. We already have problems inherited from that time, namely with the supply of the army stationed in Transnistria. So the question was not in Sevastopol, but in getting the whole Crimea, which took place when all the prerequisites were created for this, namely in 2014.

[Every]

It’s hard to call anyone a Crimean, it’s hard to call Crimea a Crimean soldier, but it’s already happened on the contrary.

That's for sure. Who, who, but not Crimea. Together, they suffered a lot, and in 1854, and 1941, Honor and Praise to the Crimeans.

[Lexa-149]

To get out of Khokhlyatsk citizenship, you need to pay a considerable fee. Do Crimeans need it ?! The Ukrainian passport, as well as citizenship, is not asked to eat.

[Roman070280]

Both ours and yours

Well, as it were, quite reasonable ..
The passport in the closet does not take up much space ..
If I were a Crimean, I would definitely consider it stupid to throw him out ..
It is not known how things will turn even further .. and in any case it will not be superfluous ..
And to tear and burn a Ukrainian. A passport immediately upon receipt of a Russian .. well, it must be a complete jingoistic patriot .. after such a portrait of GDP above the bed will not be enough for complete happiness ..

[musorg]

Who gave you such a certificate, s?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Avior

There, the vast majority of the population lives with Ukrainian passports.
The Russians have received, but are not going to leave Ukrainian citizenship.
Both ours and yours

You are not right. Not yours and ours. The main thing is that I have a Russian passport. And Ukrainian .., well, yes, there is, lying around somewhere. And the drum of the government and the president of Ukraine considers me to be my citizen or not. And I’m not going to strain about this, asking them to deprive me of Ukrainian citizenship. I spit on it.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: 210ox

What else is there who lives there with a Ukrainian passport? If there is, then it’s time to decide — everything is completely clear.

Yes, in fact, international practice allows non-citizens to live by a residence permit without prejudice to their rights, only they will not participate in elections to local authorities, so they don’t need to, but let them vote for the Ukrainian government, no one forbids.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

only now in the elections to local authorities will not participate

I did not understand, but what president can they elect in parliament? (they clearly cannot be elected)

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: tihonmarine

I did not understand

A foreign citizen who has received a residence permit in Russia has the right to vote only in local elections, that is, regional or municipal levels. Vote, for example. For deputies of the State Duma, such a person can not. In the same way, he is not allowed before the election of the President of Russia, in which only citizens of the country who have reached the age of majority can participate. These provisions are spelled out in the Federal Law “On the Legal Status of Foreign Citizens in the Russian Federation” and relate to foreign citizens permanently residing in the Russian Federation with a residence permit.

On the basis of the Federal Law “On Basic Guarantees of Electoral Rights and the Right to Participate in the Referendum of Citizens of the Russian Federation” they can not only take part in the vote, but also be elected to local authorities.

According to paragraph 10, article 4 of this law, they are absolutely equal in participation in elections, as are other voters who have citizenship. In addition, citizens with a residence permit can also participate in referenda on an equal footing and under the same conditions as the indigenous people of Russia. This applies only to local elections - in cities, villages, towns, municipal areas.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

A foreign citizen who has received a residence permit in Russia has the right to vote only in local elections

Clearly, the same system as in other post-Soviet countries. I thought that in Russia they are given more rights, although there is nothing to it.

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: tihonmarine

I thought that in Russia they give them more rights

less responsibilities - less rights)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

less responsibilities - less rights

I didn’t notice about the rights, but access to the bowler moved away farther ..

[Errr]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

A foreign citizen who has received a residence permit in Russia has the right to vote only in local elections, that is, regional or municipal levels.

A foreign citizen who has received a residence permit in Russia has the right to elect and be elected exclusively only to local authorities. In regional elections (to state authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation), he does not have such a right.

Federal Law of 25.07.2002 N 115-FZ (as amended on 26.07.2019) "On the Legal Status of Foreign Citizens in the Russian Federation".
Article 12. The attitude of foreign citizens to the electoral law.
1. Foreign citizens in the Russian Federation do not have the right to elect and be elected to federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, as well as participate in the referendum of the Russian Federation and referenda of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation.
2. Foreign citizens permanently residing in the Russian Federation in the cases and in the manner provided for by federal laws shall have the right to elect and be elected to local self-government bodies, as well as to participate in a local referendum.

[Alex Nevs]

All! wish. 95% But they do not have the opportunity. Not everyone is able to pay a monthly pension. Not every.

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = 210qu] [/ quote] But really .. What else are those who live there with a Ukrainian passport? If there is, then it’s time to decide — everything is completely clear. [/ Quote]
What are you surprised at? At one time, in the 90s, I refused to accept Ukrainian citizenship instead of Soviet. And only when they threatened to deprive me of coupons for sugar, soap, etc., and I have two children, I had to take my Soviet passport and a stamp in the form of a trident was slapped there. That's how we became a wife and Ukrainian citizens.

[smart ass]

The British still think in the standards of the last century. There is no army, no colonies, no fleet, and all the same life to teach ...

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

To petty brothers, to sit, but to keep quiet ... Those are still, colonialists ..
And all, red, like Bobik from the gate ..
I do not like them ...

[Bacha]

Apart from themselves, no one loves them. Even identical twins are Americans.

[viktor.]

It is useless to prove something to these Cormorants.

[Pedrodepackes]

According to her, "Ukrainian citizens living in Crimea and not having received Russian citizenship are faced with problems without access to basic types of services."

Pierce accused Russia of violating international humanitarian law.

and the fact that the residents of Crimea do not receive water through a canal built during the Soviet Union, as a result of the blocking by the citizens of Ukraine of this very canal, in violation of international humanitarian law - the right of people to water, but also the international right to use the effluents of international rivers, she does not know

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

and the fact that the inhabitants of Crimea do not receive water through a canal built back in the Soviet Union,

And when they blew up power lines and left the inhabitants of the Crimea without email. she didn’t see the energy either.
But this is a terrorist attack and the performers did not even hide their goals and did not hide anywhere.
Where are the violent protests and all sorts of "notes" addressed to the Ukrainian leadership?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lipchanin

Yes, and when the power lines were blown up

And the road had to be made for a detour, and the Kerch bridge. And denyuzhki of the people of Crimea who were in "Privatbank" where did they disappear?

[Antares]

Quote: Pedrodepackes

and the fact that the residents of Crimea do not receive water through a canal built during the Soviet Union, as a result of the blocking by the citizens of Ukraine of this very canal, in violation of international humanitarian law - the right of people to water, but also the international right to use the effluents of international rivers, she does not know

Russia itself refused. Ukraine was ready to provide
did not agree on the phrase of the contract (Crimea Crimea)
technological channel requires money, free of charge, without a contract, should Ukraine supply the occupied territory?

[Pedrodepackes]

Quote: Antares

free of charge without a contract Ukraine should supply to the occupied territory?

Russia offered to pay for water supplies, Ukraine refused

[NKT]

If she believes that this is her territory and her citizens live there, then she is obliged, otherwise all the words about the occupation are nothing on her part.

[tihonmarine]

Well, why should Russia pay pensions to Ukrainian citizens living on Russian territory, because Ukraine does not pay Russian citizens living in / in Ukraine.

[NKT]

This is usually regulated by laws between countries on the payment of pensions.
If this citizen has a passport of the Russian Federation and, according to the law of the Russian Federation, he has the right to a pension - then why not pay? The law should be one for all.

[NKT]

Then there was a war and there was no way to pay something. But does Ukraine lead a war with the Russian Federation? She has so far only a civil war is going on.

The Russian Federation regularly transferred pensions to the Chechen Republic during the well-known events, knowing full well that they did not reach the citizens, but paid anyway.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: NKT

The Russian Federation regularly transferred pensions to the Chechen Republic during known events

And in Ukraine they forgot about it, or do not consider it necessary. The territory is considered theirs, and the people are Russian.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Antares

Russia itself refused

Oh really?

SIMFEROPOL, May 23 - RIA Novosti. Crimean authorities are ready to raise the price for the Dnieper water supplied through the North Crimean Canal from Ukraine from 0,67 to 1 kopek per cubic meter, said Igor Weil, chairman of the republican committee on water management construction and irrigated agriculture.

Last week, a member of the Presidium of the Crimean State Council, Oedip Gafarov, said that Ukraine could resume water supply to Crimea through the North Crimean Canal (CCM) after a number of conditions were met, in particular, after paying off debt, negotiating new tariffs and installing water measuring equipment.

"We used to buy Ukrainian water at 0,67 kopecks per cubic meter. Every year we paid the management of the North Crimean Canal from 5 to 6,6 million hryvnia. Today we propose to increase the price to 1 kopeck per cubic meter of water," Weil said. at a press conference on Friday.

At the same time, according to him, not a single official document was received from the Ukrainian side to Crimea that would allow agreeing on the price, terms of payment and supply of Dnieper water to Crimea. "We have not received a single official answer to all our documents, which we brought to the administration of the North Crimean Canal," the head of the department emphasized.

[Rey_ka]

I suggest even when the northwestern wind will take money for air in the Crimea!

[Non liberoid Russian]

the bloomers themselves are the invaders .... their territory is Zaporizhzhya’s slaughter, the rest is gifts from tsars and communists ... they wouldn’t open their mouths again, Selyuki

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

their territory is Zaporizhzhya’s slaughter, the rest are gifts from tsars and communists ... they wouldn’t open their mouths once again, Selyuki

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Not Liberoid Russian

bloomers occupiers themselves .... their territory Zaporizhzhya

But the Zaporizhzhya Sich has never been Little Russian, and even less so Ukrainian. and all nations lived there, which are now no longer in sight.

[Okolotochny]

into occupied territory

This is your statement how to understand? Have you forgotten that you are on a Russian resource? Ekaterina?

[Stoker of the stoker]

That topic was for electric power. Crimeans refused to supply it to the autonomous republic of Crimea, since they did not consider themselves whiter than either citizens of Ukraine or residents of Ukrainian autonomy.
There was no bidding for water or some conditions from Ukraine.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Crimean residents do not receive water through the canal, ........ here I have to clarify the situevina a bit, the Severokrymsky Canal was, in principle, needed for a planned economy under the USSR. mainly for rice farming, but the USSR collapsed in the 90s, too, to conclude agreements with the Crimean water canal is expensive. the rice farm was covered with a copper basin, according to this, water from the CCM flowed straight through bluntly to Sivash, and private traders and LLC preferred to break through the wells and put in drip irrigation. Watering reservoirs for the needs of Feodosia and Kerch was carried out exclusively for reserves in case of artesian wells failure, many were unreserved, so there is no particular problem, at the moment the Karasu riverbed has been established in the CCM on an ongoing basis (for the winter period since the Soviet Union, water was supplied to the SSC ceased), and another moment in favor of stopping the flow of water from the Dnieper, the sarcophagus of the emergency Chernobyl NPP begins to crack, and God forbid the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power station at the TVS of the Westinghouse, so let yourself let go of your radioactive .....

[nobody111body]

oh un, of course, "authority" - why talk once again would use the IRA that's a good argument for the Britons - when finally a reasonable leader in our country will and will finally stop paying tax to this stupid office

[Mountain shooter]

Britain is about to split into a couple more countries, Scotland is reeling, and Northern Ireland may "fall off" ... But they are very concerned about the fate of "Ukrainian citizens in Crimea"! Maybe there are, I'm afraid there are not many of them.

[rocket757]

And for those bastard YOUNG nishas from the islands, there is only one answer, a long and firmly established one .... let them go ... on a long voyage / hike to a famous address!

[sabakina]

approach a typical example of double standards

No, now it's called the hybrid standard, as our Western "friends" like to say. Hybrid warfare on land, at sea and in cyberspace. True, for some reason no one can explain what it is and what it is eaten with ...

[tihonmarine]

approach a typical example of double standards

The approach is the usual "civilized euro-democracy".

[Crimean partisan 1974]

what is it and what is it eaten with ......... for this, wikis have come up with what to shoot and eat

[rotmistr60]

Representatives of Britain, like the United States at the UN, the UN Security Council and other international organizations, constantly cynically lie, dodge, run into Russia for any reason and without it. These representatives are like a toothache that can only be stopped by removing the source of pain. Honestly, they got it already. And the UN has become a branch of the spread of Russophobia by the Anglo-Saxons.

[Rostislav]

Parallel universe. Picks in the halls of the UN and others like them do not affect the situation on the ground.
He said ... She said ... For whom is all this verbiage?

[Same lech]

He said ... She said ... For whom is all this verbiage?

So they powder their brains to themselves ... that Guterres, that his future successors ... they are all smeared in one world ... she’s sitting on a crook and chasing a crook.

[Andrey Markovich]

"... The Englishwoman crap ...": it has always been that way.

[Non liberoid Russian]

pot calls the kettle black

[signifera]

He noted ... it is also necessary in a snap, impudently, without special facts and evidence to run into them every day, let them prove the opposite and make excuses. How much can you sit in defense. He would have said that on the territory of Great Britain I cruelly oppress the Crimean Tatar population, which was secretly taken out by the British secret services and held in secret places. We have a very reliable source, but we can’t give it out, it is very secret. That we are doing our best to save these hundreds of thousands of people. After we save everyone, we will provide all the irrefutable evidence. They create the background against us and are very effective. At least do the same.

[taiga2018]

What nostalgia probably all the same British, Americans, etc., for the days of Kozyrev's "diplomacy", when we sat quietly and voted "right", it is not for nothing that they hysterically support the organizers of the riots in Moscow, because it is among them that a new Kozyrev ...

[cniza]

Dmitry Polyansky called this approach a typical example of double standards.

Endless conversation, they will never hear ...

[georggy]

Well done Polyansky. So their caulk.

[pafegosoff]

The British would go with their queen and her husband-cannibal cow to the rear!
For the Crimea, these bastards, the British will never be forgiven!
These are pigs!

[K-50]

Dmitry Polyansky called this approach a typical example of double standards.

How damn these diplomatic ekivok get.
There is no way to call what is happening in a purely Russian way in the form of profanity, because there is no other way to explain it clearly, and the West has long spat on "double standards", and soon the quads will reach triples. Some are for "developed democracies", others for "aspiring" there, separately for "third world countries" and "rogue countries".
"Enlightened" have long been "cared for" everything except their opinion.
And you can’t punish them in any way.

[mamont5]

Quote: viktorR

Before writing nonsense about "both ours and yours," at least inquired about the procedure for exiting ukrograzhdanstvo, there is almost a Khokhlyadsky prezik himself must sign, if he wants, of course.

Well, why is this nonsense? The passport can be thrown out and forgotten, and then ... the problems of Ukraine, but you can leave it lying ... just in case ... I have no doubt that the majority did so.

[mamont5]

And why our diplomat did not mention about the "sprat republics", where Russian-speakers do not have ANY citizenship at all and at least one .... I remembered.

[colotun]

Heel in the forehead straight

[mark_rod]

Quote: viktorR

He did not teach anyone and did not want anything.

I agree, just blurt out your tongue without thinking.

well, form the position "I will not hand over the Ukrainian passport, you never know what" somehow differently, as you can see, and that's it.

I will not write anything new, well, since you still do not understand, I will try especially for you.

In the early 90s, Russia stupidly merged us.

To summarize Russia and a bunch of idiots who at that time decided to ruin the USSR is at least incorrect! But in a simple way - not smart!

[vmo]

How such stupidity can be a representative of the country, but Britain fell below the plinth.

[PValery53]

Of course, Russian diplomacy in the international arena should be actively taught wisdom to narrow-minded and unlucky Western politicians, preferably in a mentoring tone. And they must obey unquestioningly, and then they will immediately feel "good".

[ochakow703]

Well done. They constantly need to be dunked in what they shit. hard dunk, with the provision of facts of their unscrupulousness. These hounds understand only hard language.

[Ulum]

Krymchaks are potential Judas. They will hand over mother to Russia as soon as they get a tan under the booty. They are looking for where it is better and warmer. Therefore, passports with a plug are not handed over.

[Wanted]

As a potential Judas, I would give you up for free even now when nothing burns under the booty!

[Sofievka]

Krymchakov why offend, there are only a half thousand of them left

[Sergey49]

Quote: Avior

There, the vast majority of the population lives with Ukrainian passports.
The Russians have received, but are not going to leave Ukrainian citizenship.
Both ours and yours

What's so surprising? To be able to get two passports and not take advantage of this - well, you need to be a complete idiot.

[vmo]

Yes, in the Ukrainian Crimea there are these listed shortcomings, namely in the Ukrainian, but this does not apply to the Russian Crimea, the old sick woman needs to be more attentive in terms.

[greenegro]

It's time to replace the phrase "double standards" with a more appropriate one.