LDPR leader proposes to bring down aircraft that threaten Russian sides

During the discussion on the “60 minutes” program, Vladimir Zhirinovsky presented his view on the NATO fighter’s attempt to fly up to the plane on board of which Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was on board.

Recall that the day before, the NATO press secretariat said: the fighter flew up to the Russian side for identification. They also added that NATO allegedly did not have information about who was on board.

From a statement by NATO officials:

As soon as identification was completed, the aircraft (F-18) returned to base.

In fact, he returned to the F-18 base not by the will of the pilot, but due to the fact that he was literally driven away by the Russian Su-27. The incident occurred over the Baltic - when the plane of the Minister of Defense was flying to Moscow from the Kaliningrad region.

Commenting on the situation, the LDPR leader proposed to bring down any aircraft that threaten the Russian side, and after the destruction to strike at airfields based.

Zhirinovsky previously wrote in one of the messengers:

We cannot put our senior leaders at risk. Once we knock down (the plane of the opponents, approx. “VO”) - they will never come any closer.

In the studio of the 60 minutes program, these statements provoked a stormy reaction.

Video of the Su-27 work on the "distillation" of the NATO combat aircraft:

Comments

[demo]

It is not out of great mind that such extravagant statements are made.

[DEDPIHTO]

Before the election, a holy deed to let bubbles into a puddle .. and hear and stink. There are no other merits in order to attract the attention of the electorate to themselves (to the party).

[Roman070280]

Just curious - where are the degenerates still voting for these Liberal Democratic Party?
Well, yes, I repent - 20 years ago, and I once crossed the cross for them .. But really, for so many years the people have not seen a single drop !!

[krops777]

No extravagant statements are made from a great mind

There is no need to doubt the mental abilities of Zhirinovsky, he is a smart uncle and knows his business, he works out his money to the fullest, American senators can carry nonsense, but we can’t.

[Evil543]

And the people forgot about boots in the Indian Ocean

[demo]

Are you implying that circus clowns are smarter than magicians?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: krops777

There is no need to doubt Zhirinovsky’s mental abilities, he’s a smart uncle and knows his business, he works out his money in full,

That's right. Volfych is a very educated and far from stupid person. His role is trolling at the near-state level. And, in my opinion, he copes by 5 points.

[Evil543]

Counteroffer. When his admiration from the mansion on Volzhsky Boulevard, will throw at motorists blocking the road for the exit of their cars, then shoot them. And to demolish the mansion

[Undecim]

It is not out of great mind that such extravagant statements are made; but such extravagant statements are made.
Or vice versa. Zhirinovsky is not a very stupid person. He based such statements on the state and career of a politician.

[Krasnodar]

Let the comrade tell in what army unit his son served.

[210ox]

It is clear that this is a populism of pure water. And nobody will shoot down planes over international waters. But there is a question for NATO. Why identify clearly the civilian side?

[Krasnodar]

NATO’s provocation

[Nikolay73]

They consider themselves entitled to do whatever they please and they wouldn’t care about our displeasure with them.

[Teacher67]

Yes, for most of our elites, all children serve in intelligence, all their lives in the "decaying west."

[Krasnodar]

Children watch from the windows of their 100-meter studio in Mayfair or Chelsea at the gamepair and writhe in disgust .. Poor things.

[Evil543]

The title of lawyer and colonel will be inherited, and of course the LDPR

[Krasnodar]

There is its Small, knowing its place on the political map, but very loud Kingdom

[Mountain shooter]

Clownery. He was always distinguished for his radical statements. So to speak, to your electorate ... That is why for so many years "near the power", and not inside it ...

[210ox]

By the way, this "clown" is good at wanging .. In twenty years the predictions come true .. Even about "wash boots" Well, or almost.

[AUL]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Therefore, for so many years "near the power", and not inside it ...

And what, a good feeding trough - and in plain sight, and the salary of the deputy, and immunity, and communications, and at the same time do not answer for anything! I want it too!

[Astra wild]

I have an ambivalent attitude towards Zhirinovsky: his demeanor is repulsive, something resembles an abnormal, but sometimes he says: "we will shoot down once, they will never approach again." I am not a pilot and I ask: colleagues, but you can damage him thoroughly, but so that the pilot remains alive.? I think he will tremble and stutter, while others will be annoying.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Astra wild

, but you can damage it thoroughly, but so that the pilot remains alive.?

And on what basis to damage? Has he entered our airspace?
So how did he threaten? The video shows only that he was walking next to our side.

[VIT101]

Quote: Lipchanin

And on what basis to damage? Has he entered our airspace?

Damage, of course, is not necessary, but too delicate is also not the case. The Spaniard perfectly saw what our plane was, but nevertheless behaved like a master in the sky. Therefore, the maneuver of our fighter towards the impudent should have been more energetic. It is advisable that he flew to the base with wet pants. They do not understand otherwise.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: VIT101

Damage, of course, is not necessary,

This is not what I suggested

Therefore, the maneuver of our fighter towards the impudent should have been more energetic.

Maybe all the same, the escort pilot knew better how and what kind of maneuver he should perform?
And if the pilot of that aircraft could not, or did not have time to dodge the "more energetic" maneuver?
Yes, and this board was accompanied not by a cadet, but by a pilot of the highest class

[210ox]

And on what basis do they fly under our clearly government board?

[Andrey Markovich]

It is enough to give a tracer and turn on missile guidance. Before this, it is necessary to warn colleagues that NATO military aircraft approaching such sides and creating threats to them can be destroyed. On official channels, but this will be a serious escalation.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Andrey Markovich

that NATO warplanes approaching this kind of side

And it was written on board who is there?

It is enough to give a tracer and turn on missile guidance.

Did he go into our airspace?
Or was there a serious threat to the safety of our aircraft?
Yes, and ours do. They flew up, looked, moved away

[210ox]

On board is clearly written - "Russia". It is not visible from one kilometer away.

[Lipchanin]

Dear 210okv (Dmitry)
Please write at least the nickname of the person you are contacting.
It is not difficult, believe

[210ox]

Thank you Lipchanin for the tip I turned to you.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: 210ox

Thank you, Lipchanin for a hint. I turned to you.

Thank you Now see

On board is clearly written - "Russia". It is not visible from one kilometer away.

Of course you can see. But the tail number per kilometer is not visible.
I don’t understand why such a tragedy was made.
Our pilot reacted calmly to the appearance of someone else's plane. When he got even closer, our pilot simply "pushed" him to a safe distance.
After which he flew away
All

[Ezekiel 25-17]

At one time, the Americans decided that the US Navy ship has the right to destroy any aircraft approaching it. I will also remind you of the statement made by the Pentagon or the State Department representative about the inadmissibility of patrolling our SSBNs near terrotral waters. Also, as a precedent, I can remind you of the destruction of an Iranian passenger plane in international airspace. And summing up: There would be a desire, but there is a reason.

[Lipchanin]

Who better to know what constitutes a danger to the escorted aircraft? You on the couch, or pilot Su?
Who is responsible for the escorted board, you, or the pilot?
And do you really think that even the slightest REAL threat they wouldn’t have shot down this F-18?
You saw only part of the picture, not the whole.
But the pilot Su owned ALL the information, and if he made such a decision, then it was right.
Not you on the couch, but he in the cockpit was responsible for everything. Including your head

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Who better to know what constitutes a danger to the escorted aircraft? You on the couch, or pilot Su?
Who is responsible for the escorted board, you, or the pilot?
And do you really think that even the slightest REAL threat they wouldn’t have shot down this F-18?
You saw only part of the picture, not the whole.
But the pilot Su owned ALL the information, and if he made such a decision, then it was right.
Not you on the couch, but he in the cockpit was responsible for everything. Including your head

The decision about which I write in the commentary would be made not by the pilot, but by the political leadership. Second, I only answered the question of how, in theory, our government boards can be protected from such incidents; Further, if you carefully read my first comment, you would find there that a warning light would cause a serious escalation. So do not protect the Spaniards.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

The decision about which I write in the commentary would be made not by the pilot, but by the political leadership.

Are you out of your mind :?
What is the guide? When should he report?
He and only he decides to shoot down or not. He only has time to make a decision.
He was entrusted with the life of a particular person and he answers for him with his head.
This is how the political leadership will decide? What time is it?
And how much can you bring down planes during this time?

So do not protect the Spaniards.

What kind of Spaniards? I prove to you that our pilot did the right thing.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Quote: Lipchanin

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

The decision about which I write in the commentary would be made not by the pilot, but by the political leadership.

Are you out of your mind :?
What is the guide? When should he report?
He and only he decides to shoot down or not. He only has time to make a decision.
He was entrusted with the life of a particular person and he answers for him with his head.
This is how the political leadership will decide? What time is it?
And how much can you bring down planes during this time?

So do not protect the Spaniards.

What kind of Spaniards? I prove to you that our pilot did the right thing.

Once again: the pilot has a charter and instructions for opening fire in the international space. But the decision about which I am writing is political. Before you take out the brain for yourself and me, read carefully what I am writing, please. The pilot is right in this particular situation. And the decision about which I am writing is political !!! Let's call it, conditionally, Zhirinovsky's initiative: "On the prohibition of NATO aircraft to fly closer to a distance of several kilometers to the government boards of the Russian Federation, as well as on the escort's right to open fire, both warning and to kill in violation of this air and sea space." Dreams for you.

[Shkodnik65]

it can be damaged thoroughly, but so that the pilot remains alive.? I think he will tremble and stutter, while others will shake it.[i] [/ i]
In this situation - definitely not! This will be considered an act of military aggression. The Spaniard did nothing of the sort to shoot him down or ram him. But ... I can imagine what kind of lullies the pilots of our Su-27s got. They clearly missed the actions of the F-18 pilot. What's the use of pushing after the Spanish pilot has completed his task - calmly approached the aircraft of the Ministry of Defense. And most importantly, he calmly walked away. Kill me, I don't understand, where exactly did our F-18s "drove away"? He left himself, and with a climb, and the Su-27 just rushed after the mind and went down. As you wish, this is of course my personal opinion, but it was very unpleasant to watch this episode. So, the task of the escort aircraft is to prevent precisely approximations any aircraft to the protected object. An analogue is a bodyguard.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Shkodnik65

They clearly missed the actions of the F-18 pilot.

How do you know?
They showed you everything?
How could they miss? Did the students sit there?
Do not forget them there were at least two. And both ravens caught?
And do not forget, they HEAD were responsible for this board?
Did it ever occur to you that our Su was "on the tail" of the F-18?
Oh, he came up from behind.
And he came exactly at the moment when he came very close, according to the pilot.
After that, he gently "pushed him away" and he went to his home.
All. What else to talk about?

[Shkodnik65]

How do you know?[[i] [/ i] b] [/ b]
Well, firstly, because I served 30 years in military aviation, and secondly, if you carefully read my post, I wrote that, according to the escort rules, the task of escort aircraft is to prevent the approach of any aircraft to the guarded object. F-18 was not supposed to fly up to our board. This could not be allowed, and even believe it, if there was a board of the United States Department of Defense or the chairman of the joint committee of the US NS on the place of the Shoigu board, then any plane would not even come close, would not have given. And the Spaniard came close, too close. According to the unwritten law of aviation, this is rudeness or, if you like, a challenge. Our pilot allowed the expression of this rudeness in relation to his MO. The task has not been completed. Everything is simple.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Shkodnik65

to prevent the approach of any aircraft to a guarded object. F-18 was not supposed to fly up to our board. This was not to be allowed.

Yes? This video was shot on Jun 21. 2017. It also has a plane with Shoigu

[Shkodnik65]

In continuation of the foregoing, rudeness is precisely in relation to the protected side of the state level. Along this, the commander of the escort group did not expect such behavior of the F-18, it is, so to speak, bad taste, and everyone knows about it. And to come close between military aircraft, this, so to speak, in the order of things, is practically the norm.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Shkodnik65

Along this, the commander of the escort group did not expect such behavior of the F-18,

And Jun 21. 2017 did not wait too?

[carstorm 11]

to put it mildly inadequate proposal.

[viktor.]

Zhirinovsky is right.

[rocket757]

We cannot put our senior leaders at risk. Once we knock down (the plane of the opponents, approx. “VO”) - they will never come any closer.

VVZh certainly knows how to "ignite" ..... however, he did not wash his boots in the Indian Ocean ???

[Adimius38]

Well, yes, hit the base and wage war smarter and you can imagine ...

[Adimius38]

we can shoot down only if the plane is in our airspace, but here is another case

[sir.jonn]

Quote: Adimius38

we can shoot down only if the plane is in our airspace, but here is another case

And if, for example, a fighter of the Syrian Air Force, Venezuelan or Iranian approaches to board US No. 1 for interception. What will they do? In my opinion, without hesitation they will knock down, regardless of the airspace.

[AUL]

At sea, they beat on boats - like, a dangerous rapprochement!

[sir.jonn]

Quote from AUL

At sea, they beat on boats - like, a dangerous rapprochement!

That's what Vladimir Volfovich says about it, if you want to be afraid, act radically. The whole problem is that the United States has defined itself as a world gendarme and all actions are justified or condemned based on their position.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: sir.jonn

And if, for example, to the US No. 1 board with to intercept

Keyword you said "To intercept"
Where did you see the interception in this case "

[Adimius38]

But in any case, they will make it clear that they will bring down, do not obey, they will beat. Our pilots did the same, they made it clear that they had a friend out of here. And to launch a rocket on a plane that stupidly flew up with an annoying fly - excuse me, this is an act of aggression with all the ensuing consequences. Russia will certainly be declared an aggressor, given that the US world gendarme will easily succeed. And here the world will be in the balance of the third world. Now, if this F-18 would be in our airspace, then we have every right to shoot it down and there were plenty of cases with downed American planes over the territory of the USSR. April 8, 1950 - PB4Y-2 Privatir bomber (US Navy) was shot down by Soviet La-11 fighters, May 1950 - F-51 US Mustang fighter was shot down over the Chukchi Peninsula, November 6, 1951 P2V-3W Neptune patrol aircraft shot down by MiG-15 fighters, etc.

[Thunderbolt]

Vladimir Volkovich, as always in his repertoire.
I don’t see any reason to discuss his overwhelming idea to start bombing NATO. But the mood lifted!
Oh, he would have to go to the artists ... He would be a movie star! And art, as you know, forever. Unlike politics.

[AUL]

No, he's no artist! I saw how he performed "Murka" from the stage - a disgrace!

[nobody111body]

what are you saying that you are as possible — and suddenly there are Israeli pilots and suddenly you did not see the star entu david; categorically lowering to shoot down Jewish pilots and wherever they would fly

[Lipchanin]

Quote: nobody

what if tama israeli pilots and suddenly they did not see the star entu david

Well yes. Over the Baltic already ripples from Israeli stars

[AUL]

Quote: nobody

what are you saying that you are as possible — and suddenly there are Israeli pilots and suddenly you did not see the star entu david; categorically lowering to shoot down Jewish pilots and wherever they would fly

At least the ambassador was shy! ..

Is Al completely headless?

No matter what they say -

All will bring one to the women! (Jews)

[jeka424]

And why let go then drive away. Just let the miscalculation already. And such sides accompany su 27 where new

[user1212]

Quote: jeka424

And such sides accompany su 27

It is paradoxical that the old F18 did not surprise you at all

[KCA]

And which ones are new? SU-27 is a clean air defense fighter, and all new MFIs

[syndicalist]

Judging by the video, our minister miraculously escaped death.

[Amateur]

There are no NATO aircraft. There are planes of a NATO member country.
The tail mark is carefully blurred.
I wonder which country is so thoroughly otmazyvayutsya under the term NATO?

[sabakina]

Dismantled yesterday. The Spaniard was.

[Dmitry Potapov]

Can we draw an analogy, and count how many times our planes flew to the plane of another (NATO) plane with the Minister of Defense on board, maybe Zhirinovsky is right, I can refresh someone's memory, which country's presidential plane forced NATO fighters to land? Maybe it's time to "treat" them in relation to us?

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Dmitry Potapov

Maybe we’ll draw an analogy, and count how many times our planes flew up to the plane

Well, who will tell you about this?
Fly up and see, this is not a threat. You also look at the goods in the store, but this does not mean that you buy it

[Dmitry Potapov]

A NATO fighter flew up to the plane with a specific living person, especially with the Minister of Defense, all the more so that there were definitely signs of the airplane’s pretense on board, especially since the board number and who it belongs to, do not include the fool, this is not a product in the store, you need to be aware ( NATO) what consequences such provocations can lead to.

[svp67]

Commenting on the situation, the LDPR leader proposed to bring down any aircraft that threaten the Russian side, and after the destruction to strike at airfields based.

Why is "Vulfych" angry? Apparently from idleness. Maybe it's time for him to take a break from "state concerns." In the country there is "a lot of small" problems that he, as a deputy and leader of one of the leading parties, is OBLIGED to solve, and he decided to reduce everything to the outbreak of the third world war

[DEDPIHTO]

There, in the State Duma, it’s time for everyone to rest, preferably in fresh taiga air with occupational therapy.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

There, in the State Duma, it’s time for everyone to rest, preferably in fresh taiga air with occupational therapy.

[DEDPIHTO]

Mdya, the offer is certainly tempting, but ... to the point of nervous laughter we have enough of those who are not sleeping there, diligently engaging in “legislative” activities, and if they would not all sleep and skip ??? No, no, the whole current line-up, after the smell of taiga, needs to be sent.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: DEPHIHTO

and if they all do not sleep and truant ???

Tady we will see

[Ros 56]

Well, knocking down, not knocking down this is one thing, and the turn of the gun at the rate of the adversary is quite an acceptable thing. Although the stench will be higher than heaven. But one thing pleases, they won’t guess haili or not haili.

[svp67]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, knocking down, not knocking down this is one thing, and the turn of the gun at the rate of the adversary is quite an acceptable thing.

In international waters ?????? On what basis?

[Graz]

based on danger to the government board, the plane went to intercept, and was armed, all should not be any talk

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

based on danger to the government board, the plane went to intercept, and was armed, all should not be any talk

Stop. Did our side make a preliminary statement that this is a "letter flight"? Judging by the article, no. The plane flew in "international waters", along a previously used corridor, without entering the airspace of other countries. So, what is your statement, as it is past. The F-18 did not go into position to use weapons. And the rockets on its suspensions are not traced.

[Graz]

I'm certainly an amateur
but I think there are 4 rockets
https://youtu.be/0v8x7uv9zG0?t=17
2 on the wingtips, and two between the fuselage and the fuel hanging tanks

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

2 on the wingtips, and two between the fuselage and additional tanks

Yes, I have to agree that the photo of the article is not successful, the missiles are visible on the video. But even this does not change anything, in the rules of flight in international waters

[Ros 56]

Why on earth should we announce something to someone. This is an international space, who flies there, and with protection, it’s not your dog thing. (Sergey, this is not to your address) As they say, who used to get up (in the sense of taking the air corridor) of that and slippers. And what is under his belly or inside is not our business, but hell knows what he has in his head.

[Lipchanin]

Quote: Graz

the plane was intercepted,

Where did you see the "interception" in the video?
He came up, looked, they drove him away, he immediately went to his base.
There would be an interception, he would come in, and not walk near

[Graz]

the question is, why did you allow such a close approach at all, why didn’t the detection means give guidance to escort aircraft earlier so that one of the 2 planes could meet the enemy several tens of kilometers from the government side? You shouldn’t let NATO planes fly into the government’s dense plane, they’re afraid to use wring the weapon at a distance, and at least ram, but you must not let it fly so close. HOW it was already written in the comments, the Americans would never have allowed a hostile country plane to approach such a government plane in neutral airspace, It would have been shot down 100%

In recent years, that Mead, as if in pants, has been giving answers that in such situations

[svp67]

Quote: Graz

the question is, why did they allow such a close rapprochement at all, why didn’t the detection equipment give a tip to escort aircraft earlier so that one of the 2 aircraft could meet the enemy several tens of kilometers from the government side?

The airspace is NOTHING, it is INTERNATIONAL. 100% of this F-18 was met on the approach, but it could not be prevented from flying further, it would have caused the strongest international scandal. They gave him the opportunity to fly up and make sure that it was flying overboard, and then they showed him that "his presence here is unnecessary." He understood everything perfectly and flew to the report

[rotmistr60]

This is not the first time with the Shoigu board. Pure provocation, because NATO representatives are well aware of which board from where and where to go, especially accompanied by fighters. Therefore, the need to identify the aircraft is outright bullshit. I just can't wait to flex my "muscles" to show that they are there and that everything is under their control.

[Million]

Yes, Zhirik began to surrender, he begins to carry the blizzard

[SERGEY SERGEEVICS]

In fact, the LDPRs are right, in these cases, it is necessary to act and apply more stringent and decisive measures. And sometimes, those countries go beyond all permissible limits and endanger our planes.

[Monar]

Why shoot down? Shuganut in full. Including all missile guidance systems.

[signifera]

And why are you all so fed up on Zhirinovsky? He spoke out in the words of the West and their allies. Every day they make such statements. These are just words. Simple oms always wipe ourselves out and make excuses after such attacks, such as you can’t. What's wrong. But he spoke out in a mirror. They can do everything, but should we be silent and swallow? All right, let others become tougher. Now, if the president or the prime minister expressed this, then he’ll smell bad, and it’s just that the leader of the party, not the majority. But what is most interesting, most of his offers / forecasts come true. Nobody remembers them anymore, and if you dig around ...

[Chief Starshin]

I have only 1 question. Why and with what future plans for a response. Let the plane get closer.

[evgen1221]

Well, the NATO pilot wanted to take a picture of the darkest from memory, the kid walked to success, no luck, no luck, Shoigu flew.

[Nycomed]

Well done, Volfovich! He has not changed his repertoire for thirty years!

[Vladimir Nizhegorodsky]

Of course, you need to act more energetically and more revealingly.
And do not chew snot.
All right, our SU-27 did.
Capture the target of course could be done.
But then perhaps another article would have been written here.
And not only Zhirinovsky would have spoken out.
But foreign newspapers would write about the lawlessness of Russians.

[Kolbi]

Zhirik always knew how to express what the Russian people think about, but are afraid to express ..)))) The Jews have a brutal flair for this and nothing happens to them.