Kamchatka conscript recovered “lost profit” from the Ministry of Defense

An interesting judicial precedent has been created in the Yelizovsky district of the Kamchatka Territory. It became known about the decision made by the local district court on the suit of the young man about the "loss of profit when conscripted for military service."




On the pages of local media it is reported that the young man went to court with a lawsuit about his illegal conscription. At the time of the call, he was studying at the graduate school of one of the universities and worked at an aviation enterprise with which he concluded an employment contract. The local military registration and enlistment office did not take into account full-time postgraduate studies and was drafted into the army.

As a result, the conscript billed the military enlistment office for "lost material profit." In the period from June to October last year, the plaintiff, according to him, received about 290 thousand rubles in the form of wages, which he received before the draft.

The Yelizovsky District Court ruled that the graduate student’s appeal for military service was illegal and ordered the military department to pay the draftee the amount due in compensation. However, the Ministry of Defense will not pay the declared almost 300 thousand rubles, as the department noted that money was spent in the amount of about 102 thousand rubles for the maintenance of the draftee. As a result, the graduate student will be returned about 188,5 thousand rubles from the treasury of the Ministry of Defense. It is this amount that the Kamchatka resident collected from the main defense department.
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  1. bubalik 13 August 2019 12: 07 New
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    ,,, now the wave will go with claims, thanks IN wink that reported this use case.
    1. Volodin 13 August 2019 12: 10 New
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      Quote: bubalik
      ,, now the wave will go with suits,

      So in Russia, it seems, there are not many cases of illegal conscription. Roughly speaking, they screwed up the draft board - they admitted guilt. This is a precedent - they did not "stifle" the matter.
      1. bubalik 13 August 2019 12: 15 New
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        hi ,,, only one thing is not clear to me, if postgraduate studies give a deferment from conscription, and he is so smart, how he got into the army. He was caught and forcibly taken away, forced to take the oath?
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        2. Deniska 13 August 2019 12: 36 New
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          hi They tried to take me every 2 years into the army, guarded me at the house, and came early in the morning. I’m tired of taking certificates from the dean’s office about taking full-time studies. And each appeal was filed into the hands, and they were sent to the military enlistment office before the call by mail .... In the 3rd year they only calmed down)) So he was taken away not surprisingly.
          1. Infinity 13 August 2019 12: 43 New
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            hi
            Maybe by force. Or he didn’t even know that he was entitled to a deferment (and when he defended his dissertation and became a candidate of sciences, then he would be completely released) and therefore calmly went to the service. And after the call relatives and others poured in. But all this must be asked of him.
            But the call was clearly illegal. MO, I think, can recover this money from the employees of the military enlistment office. So that it was not common to break the laws. And so barely the prestige of the service began to recover, people began to run less ...
            1. bubalik 13 August 2019 12: 53 New
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              Or he didn’t even know that he was entitled to a delay

              there tyagomotina with 2018g. was going.
              court ruling in 2018:
              To recognize as unlawful and cancel the decision of the draft commission of the Yelizovsky municipal district of the Kamchatka Territory (protocol No. *** of DD.MM.YYYY) on the draft *** for military service.
              Decision No. 2A-1010 / 2018 2A-1010 / 2018 ~ M-842 / 2018 M-842 / 2018 dated 9 on July 2018 in case No. 2A-1010 / 2018

              still taken.


              1. Chaldon48 13 August 2019 13: 02 New
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                In Soviet times, this also happened, but not about any compensation, of course, no one dared to throw themselves.
                1. jjj
                  jjj 13 August 2019 13: 24 New
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                  Friends, conversations are going on, as if serving the Motherland is some shameful thing
                  1. Kronos 13 August 2019 14: 23 New
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                    If according to the laws you can’t call, then shameful
                  2. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 16: 51 New
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                    Quote: jjj
                    Friends, conversations are going on, as if serving the Motherland is some shameful thing

                    it's not that completely
                2. Passing by 13 August 2019 14: 35 New
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                  My comrade almost served six months in the training, for another ... only in part did they figure out that when she once again said that his surname ends not with “-th”, but with “-nyuk”
                3. alexmach 13 August 2019 16: 08 New
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                  In Soviet times, this also happened, but not about any compensation, of course, no one dared to throw themselves.

                  In Soviet times, the rules of the draft were different. And the state as a guarantor of legality is obliged to abide by the rules established by itself.
              2. Piramidon 13 August 2019 14: 36 New
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                Quote: bubalik
                July 9, 2018

                He was taken away earlier by the court in June.
                1. bubalik 13 August 2019 14: 41 New
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                  ,,, so yes, there are so many things. If anyone is interested, you can go to the court’s website and read all this hi
            2. helmi8 13 August 2019 13: 50 New
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              Quote: Infinity
              But the call was clearly illegal. MO, I think, can recover this money from the employees of the military registration and enlistment office. So that it was not common to break the laws.

              I don’t know how in other areas, but in our city in the military commissariats of the military are only commissars. Even military pensioners (reserve workers) were dismissed from military registration and enlistment offices. It began under Serdyukov. They scored civilians (and mostly women) very far from the army. Personally faced with their incompetence. So what can be expected from them?
              1. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 16: 58 New
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                Quote: helmi8
                I don’t know how in other areas, but in our city in the military commissariats of the military are only commissars. Even military pensioners (reserve workers) were dismissed from military registration and enlistment offices. It began under Serdyukov. They scored civilians (and mostly women) very far from the army. Personally faced with their incompetence. So what can be expected from them?

                in Surgut, it’s also certain: the commissar, his deputy and someone else, like an officer from the military medical service, my (formerly) ex-wife went to the military registration and enlistment office when all this restructuring was taking place ("fencing" the military enlistment offices), that is, yes , the bulk of the employees are civilians
                but...
                this does not relieve them of liability for illegal actions
                1. Digital error 14 August 2019 21: 45 New
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                  Quote: SASHA OLD
                  the bulk of the employees are civilians

                  But the military let me down - they called me to the draft board, they say go through a physical examination. I say - I have a delay. They tell me - don’t get smart, get in line. He killed two full working days for a physical examination, they even looked at those places of the body that he himself did not know about.
                  By the end of the second day I go to the commission - I say this and that, I arrived at your order. Polkan raises and gives out muddy eyes to me - did you come for something? You at-urgent!
            3. PSih2097 13 August 2019 18: 46 New
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              Quote: Infinity
              And so barely the prestige of the service began to recover, people began to run less ...

              And what is there to run and so have already descended to kindergarten ...
          2. Forcecom 13 August 2019 16: 46 New
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            My friend had a better situation, he was Suvorovets, then he studied together at VVMURE, and so, all the time he studied at a military school, every call to his house came to take him to the soldiers, and each time he went in uniform to the military registration and enlistment office and explained that for a long time serves, the last time they came after him after graduation, we just sat at something celebrating, in general, the three of us could barely take the dirk off him and pull him away from the military commissariat major, a friend wanted to leave a notch on his loin “for memory” . They didn’t seem to come anymore.
            One more from the company on vacation after the first year on the street was raked, the company then went to the training school to pick it up. So the headaches of the military commissar fools (if not worse) are enough.
        3. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 12: 59 New
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          Himself in 1993, almost came under the call from the Polytechnic (full-time student, RFF, and studied at the military department). I passed the credit in the summer after the crediting week, according to the admission - I received the admission, I passed everything normally. I also passed the exams without any problems. And then all of a sudden "You are expelled". I'm in the dean’s office - how, what, why, but tests and exams passed? And in response to me: "You didn’t have credit clearance - so its surrender is not considered ". I, remembering exactly that there was an admission and they attached it to the statement, please look ... look, look, and find the adherence glued to the back of the statement. Everything, the deduction is canceled ... but, as it turned out, the documents had already been sent to the draft board.
          And in the autumn a subpoena came. I am with documents from the institute to the draft board - they say, I am a full-time student, I have a military commissar, a delay. And in response: "You were expelled, and then restored - it doesn’t matter, the delay is given once"In general, they proved for a month that I was a student with a deferment - but I have already passed the draft board. For it doesn’t matter whether you have a deferment or not - since you are on the list of conscripts, the military enlistment office will not change your status in your documents and will not cancel the decision on the draft, your failure to appear is considered evasion with all the consequences.
          In short ...

          1. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 17: 00 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Himself in 1993, almost got under the appeal from the Polytechnic (full-time student, RFF, and studied at the military department). I passed the credit in the summer after the crediting week, according to the admission - I received the admission, I passed everything normally. I also passed the exams without any problems. And then suddenly, "You are expelled." I’m in the dean’s office - how, why, why, are the tests and exams passed? And to me in response: "You did not have an admission to offset - so that its surrender is not considered." I, remembering exactly that there was an admission and they attached it to the statement, please look ... look, search - and find the adherence glued to the back of the statement. Everything, the deduction is canceled ... but, as it turned out, the documents had already been sent to the draft board.
            And in the autumn a subpoena came. I am with documents from the institute to the draft board - they say, I am a full-time student, I have a military commissar, a delay. And in response: "You were expelled, and what was later restored - it doesn’t matter, the delay is given once." In general, they proved for a month that I was a student with a delay - and during this time I have already passed the draft board. For it doesn’t matter if you have a deferment or not - since you are on the list of draftees and have a summons, until the military enlistment office changes your status in your documents and cancels the decision on the draft, your failure to appear is considered an evasion with all the consequences.

            wow "jolly" you happened))
        4. yehat 13 August 2019 15: 07 New
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          Quote: bubalik
          he’s so smart, how he got into the army. He was caught and forcibly taken away, forced to take the oath?

          the military commissariat reports only what you owe, and not what rights you have
          and military registration and enlistment offices are closely connected with universities. Perhaps the guy had little knowledge, time and maneuver to coordinate everything on time. And for a year in the army, he figured out everything.
        5. RelictEmpire 13 August 2019 15: 53 New
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          It is likely that he is "so smart," having received a subpoena, as a law-abiding citizen came to the military enlistment office and tried to explain that "postgraduate studies give a deferment from conscription." But apparently not very smart uncles in the military enlistment office asked "if you are so smart, why don't you go in formation" and, not having started to listen to any arguments, they sent him to serve. Or maybe he just didn’t know his rights. And in the military enlistment office - they modestly kept silent about it ... breaking the law.
        6. would 14 August 2019 20: 03 New
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          He was caught and forcibly taken away, forced to take the oath?


          Why not? For example, there are known cases of conscription "in one day" when on the same day after passing the commission the conscript is sent to the army. It is illegal, but the draftee is not able to withstand this without preliminary preparation. Including because it does not have sufficient knowledge. And about the fact that his son was taken into the army, parents will know when he is already in the army.

          Indeed, they could forcibly deliver him to the draft board (also illegally), again, there are cases.

          As in reality, it was only a given specific conscript who can answer us.
      2. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 12: 30 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        nakosyachili in the military enlistment office - admitted guilt.

        Here it was necessary to recover from them
        1. Revival 13 August 2019 12: 56 New
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          So in the end, most likely they will be removed from their departments
      3. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 12: 36 New
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        I really don’t understand how this could even happen. a man brings documents from the daytime and they call him and he calmly goes to serve this? some kind of circus in my opinion.
        1. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 12: 46 New
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          Quote: carstorm 11
          I really don’t understand how this could even happen. a man brings documents from the daytime and they call him and he calmly goes to serve this? some kind of circus in my opinion.

          Duc ... it’s like with the wrong amount in receipts - first pay, and only then sue and demand a refund. But if you don’t pay the wrong amount, then they will file a lawsuit against you.
          1. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 12: 59 New
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            I have not come across this. and another here. year of life and a person walks like a heifer. There are a bunch of ways to solve it all, but he doesn’t use it. this is strange.
          2. Doliva63 13 August 2019 16: 57 New
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            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: carstorm 11
            I really don’t understand how this could even happen. a man brings documents from the daytime and they call him and he calmly goes to serve this? some kind of circus in my opinion.

            Duc ... it’s like with the wrong amount in receipts - first pay, and only then sue and demand a refund. But if you don’t pay the wrong amount, then they will file a lawsuit against you.

            Yeah, or as with orders in the army - first do it, then appeal.
        2. Shkodnik65 13 August 2019 13: 09 New
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          My son had a similar situation, he really already defended his candidate, got a degree. The certificate in this case is not issued immediately, but after about a month, well, he didn’t have to get a certificate of postgraduate studies at all, because he had finished. How many did not try to convince the military registration and enlistment office that there is a degree, they presented a confirmation letter, a screen from the site is useless. Rested as ... Yes, they say, we understand that there is a candidate, but without a certificate he will still be called up. I found good friends
          1. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 14: 08 New
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            literary criticism of course, but without this document they will be asked. in such cases, there is a very simple way to decide to hire a lawyer. he will simply give you time and will popularly explain that when the documents are ready and the reverse procedure begins, they will be asked many times more with these letter-eaters. this usually helps.
      4. vladcub 13 August 2019 12: 45 New
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        I agree that they screwed up in full. It would be fair for the military commissar to personally pay. Another time it will be the head to think, not a soft spot
        1. yehat 13 August 2019 15: 10 New
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          they screwed up - probably, but I can understand the staff of the military registration and enlistment offices - it’s hard to call up the army’s educated, but they are very necessary there. I believe that the ban on the call should be removed, but at the same time give enough carrot. For example, a candidate can only fall into a narrow set of troops — scientific companies, an air defense coordination center, etc. And my brother was drafted with a degree from the central laboratory of the defense plant into motorized infantry - who needs this ???
          1. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 17: 03 New
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            Quote: yehat
            I believe that the ban on the call should be removed, but at the same time give enough carrot. For example, a candidate can only fall into a narrow set of troops — scientific companies, an air defense coordination center, etc.

            this is probably the best option
          2. Kamchatsky 15 August 2019 13: 04 New
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            In 1988, they called up after the first year of the flight school, served, recovered, and finished a year later than those who entered later.
            1. yehat 15 August 2019 13: 18 New
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              there are universities where the year of a pause is very difficult to recover.
              for example, physics - in a year in the army all useful constants will be knocked out of you.
              And then, in order for the head to think at the level, it will take a long time to catch up.
              After 3 years of a pause, I lost shape to a close to non-return to science.
      5. RUSS 13 August 2019 12: 59 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        So in Russia, it seems, there are not many cases of illegal conscription. Roughly speaking, they screwed up the draft board

        Reuters correspondent Maria Tsvetkova said that after an uncoordinated action in Moscow on July 27, she received a summons to the draft board. “In general, I thought it was difficult to surprise me, but here came the summons to the military registration and enlistment office addressed to Maria Vladimirovich Tsvetkov,” she wrote in Facebok, attaching a photograph of the document.
        1. evgic 13 August 2019 13: 16 New
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          Reuters correspondent Maria Tsvetkova gives me a tryndit and indulges in Photoshop. And you spread all kinds of nonsense
          1. RUSS 13 August 2019 20: 47 New
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            Quote: evgic
            Reuters correspondent Maria Tsvetkova gives me a tryndit and indulges in Photoshop. And you spread all kinds of nonsense

            She was later confirmed that this was a recruiting office mistake!
            1. evgic 13 August 2019 20: 54 New
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              BULLSHIT. If you think a little, you will understand why. Or tell me? I’ll hint, for the dull. There is such a procedure, the registry is called. All males are familiar, but this fool is not. Only after it starts a case for a draftee. Thus, a non-existent person cannot be included in the lists; a personal presence is required.
      6. Buffet 13 August 2019 13: 48 New
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        102 thousands for maintenance per year .... this is 8.5 per month. Is it a lot or a little?
        1. Doliva63 13 August 2019 17: 01 New
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          Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
          102 thousands for maintenance per year .... this is 8.5 per month. Is it a lot or a little?

          Considering that the content includes food, accommodation, medical care, uniforms, transport - this is just a ridiculous figure!
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      7. edeligor 13 August 2019 15: 12 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        nakosyachili in the draft board

        How simple is it? Do you at least understand a little what it means to call ILLEGAL graduate student? Of course, the military registration and enlistment office is to blame, they caught "in line for bread" and shod in berets. I would like specifics regarding this case, that I can’t believe in a simple explanation ...
      8. Maz
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        And the moral damage?
        1. boss 13 August 2019 19: 15 New
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          and how did he suffer moral damage?
          or damaged?
          1. Severok 13 August 2019 21: 38 New
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            Just as judges think when they award moral damages. Those. think flawedly like microcephals.
            1. boss 14 August 2019 11: 15 New
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              when microcephals, hydrocyphals, oligophrenics and cretins interfere with living around, you immediately feel like D'Artagnan.
              But only if you look a little deeper, it turned out that the matter is still a LOST BENEFIT, and the interpretation itself, the claim for moral damage from the draft, although illegal as a result of military service, is somehow morally flawed in itself .
              accordingly, deferment or exemption from service, good, and service, a priori, violence and evil
      9. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 16: 49 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        So in Russia, it seems, there are not many cases of illegal conscription. Roughly speaking, they screwed up the draft board - they admitted guilt. This is a precedent - they did not "stifle" the matter.

        yes, and it’s good that everything happened just like that! hi
      10. AleksUkr 14 August 2019 15: 30 New
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        Not certainly in that way. Not all military enlistment offices have such "clever men." They dug lightly for themselves. The debt will be divided into a draft division, as the commissar will not pay, although he is a member of the draft commission ...
    2. NEXUS 13 August 2019 12: 39 New
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      "The loss of profit when conscripted for military service."

      I recalled the words Margelova-Romanian mess!
    3. Sergey39 13 August 2019 13: 18 New
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      This is what liberalization of society leads to. Harassment (sexual harassment) lawsuits should soon be expected, as in the states.
      1. Nycomed 13 August 2019 14: 44 New
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        So you think that sexual harassment is normal? You have a daughter?
        1. Sergey39 13 August 2019 15: 40 New
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          What does the daughter have to do with it? Harassment in the USA is used as an excuse to rip money off a person or lower them up the social ladder (eliminate a political competitor, etc.)
    4. alexmach 13 August 2019 16: 05 New
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      ,,, now the wave will go with claims, thanks IN wink for reporting this precedent.

      Who is the wave? Graduate students called up despite the right to deferment? well and rightly so.
    5. naidas 13 August 2019 19: 02 New
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      now the wave will go with suits

      hardly read carefully:
      since the department noted that money was spent in the amount of about 102 thousand rubles for the maintenance of the draftee. (6 months) for a year of 200 thousand from each claim, it’s almost the most common patch in Russia for a year + going on ships.
    6. would 14 August 2019 19: 44 New
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      We have no case law and the possibility of this was previously known. For example, the case of 2009 in general

      https://www.saratov.kp.ru/online/news/585546/

      And so if there is a “wave”, then I will only support it. In our country, it seems like the rule of law and the laws in it must be respected by everyone, including military enlistment offices.
  2. PN
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    Yes, and rightly so. Let them also comply with the law.
  3. whack 13 August 2019 12: 07 New
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    and so it was possible ????????????????
    1. Volodin 13 August 2019 12: 12 New
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      Quote: whacked
      and so could ??

      Can. If you are also an illegally called graduate student ...
      1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 12: 33 New
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        Quote: Volodin
        If you are also an illegally drafted graduate student ..

        And not just a graduate student
        1. Deferral from military service is granted to citizens:
        a) recognized temporarily unfit for military service due to health reasons, recognized in the manner prescribed by this Federal Law, for a period of up to one year;
        b) engaged in the constant care of a father, mother, wife, sibling, sibling, grandfather, grandmother or adoptive parent, if there are no other persons obliged by law to support these citizens, and also provided that the latter are not fully supported by the state and due to health reasons, in accordance with the conclusion of the federal institution of medical and social examination at the place of residence of citizens called up for military service, they need constant outside care (assistance, supervision);
        (in the edition of Federal Laws from 01.12.2004 N 149-ФЗ, from 06.07.2006 N 104-ФЗ)
        (see the text in the previous wording)

        And so on.
        http://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_18260/fbe9593051ae34e2a8eb27f73b923ffee40296b7/
      2. whack 14 August 2019 23: 51 New
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        but how can I be illegally drafted ??????????????? all by law. as well as the fact that Lech Argunov was drafted into the army by the Kursk sheep in the fall of 2003 and he is an orphan and a disabled person. the guy with me in the border. 2 year old served as necessary. and to whom will he complain? in his village, or rather a farmhouse-4 huts., and the formation of 7 classes. it's me that a bunch of people are "for themselves and that guy"
    2. Pedrodepackes 13 August 2019 12: 13 New
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      Quote: whacked
      could it be so?

      eh, if only to know something before, ah! laughing
      1. Volodin 13 August 2019 12: 15 New
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        Quote: Pedrodepackes
        eh, if only to know something before, ah!

        Judging by the comments, many either did not read the text, or entirely "illegally called graduate students" ... wink
        1. Pedrodepackes 13 August 2019 12: 16 New
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          Quote: Volodin
          Judging by the comment

          you have a complete absence of CJ, well, you can’t be as straightforward as a telegraph pole
          1. Volodin 13 August 2019 12: 20 New
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            Quote: Pedrodepackes
            you have a complete absence of CJ, well, you can’t be as straightforward as a telegraph pole

            Here I am about the same ...
    3. Revival 13 August 2019 12: 52 New
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      If we are already preparing for this process, then we can conclude a contract with the company for the execution of work and, because of the call, do not fulfill it and then recover as a loss of profit that I did not receive from the company for the performance of the work))
      Sometimes it happens
      1. Military Builder 14 August 2019 08: 45 New
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        a little jerk
        and then the company will also sue the Moscow Region, because due to the call of the employee who did not do the job, she lost the profit
      2. AleksUkr 14 August 2019 15: 33 New
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        Do not roll your sponge. Leave them alone ....
  4. Nycomed 13 August 2019 12: 08 New
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    But really, how will it all end? After all, a precedent can be created. I do not envy then MO, fill up them with similar claims.
    1. cdrt 13 August 2019 12: 35 New
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      It was necessary for the commissars to hit on the head not only for fulfilling the draft plan, but also for complying with the law. and yes, at the same time for bribes :-)
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        They are all there shell-shocked, so why aggravate?
    2. whack 14 August 2019 23: 52 New
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      but you just have to call everything according to the law.
  5. Same lech 13 August 2019 12: 10 New
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    Mdaaa survived ... what the hell is such an army conscript ... I would kick him out of the military registration and enlistment office ... the defender of the motherland is called ... he will also sell his homeland for 300 rubles and a jar of jam.
    1. Voyager 13 August 2019 12: 21 New
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      You are healthy? The man finished his studies and went to graduate school, already worked at an aircraft factory for the good of the country. He has already made a priori more contribution to the country than an ordinary conscript.

      But no, the military commander had to spoil his studies, work with the ZP and all his plans. All this will have to be restored: the usual rhythm of life and work. Do you have any idea what it would be like to return to unfinished academic and diploma work? As a rule, this all has to start from scratch. It was necessary to sue much more for such tricks, so that in the military commissar the stubborn responsible for this story would slap the authorities by no means indulge.
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      2. Nycomed 13 August 2019 14: 49 New
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        Everything is correct. Even in the Second World War, highly skilled workers received "reservation", they themselves were very eager for the front, and to them: "You are needed here." And the whole tale.
      3. Military Builder 14 August 2019 08: 56 New
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        The man finished his studies and went to graduate school

        I don’t agree with you, it seems to me that it’s not so simple here, I finished my postgraduate studies, but I couldn’t understand that it has a delay, now there are a lot of communications, sending a request and receiving confirmation that I am a graduate student is not a problem.
        worked at an aircraft factory for the good of the country. He has already made a priori more contribution to the country than an ordinary conscript.

        Do you think that only aircraft designers work at aircraft factories, maybe he will simply work out there as a janitor in the mornings or evenings to maintain his pants
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          Now there is a sea of ​​communications, sending a request and receiving confirmation that is a graduate student is not a problem.

          Come on, why don’t you imagine in what order all this can happen? Especially if there is a final court decision, which showed who is right and who is not?

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          Do you think that only aircraft designers work at aircraft factories, maybe he will simply work out there as a janitor in the mornings or evenings to maintain his pants

          May be. Or maybe not. Subjectively, it seems to me that if a person seeks to learn, then he will try to find a suitable place for himself.
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          I do not agree with you

          I do not understand your position. Are you trying to justify the actions of the military commissar, which have already been convicted and recognized as unlawful?
  6. Moore 13 August 2019 12: 21 New
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    It seems that the Law "On Military Duty and Military Service" says in white and white:
    b) students in full-time the form of training in educational organizations and scientific organizations with state accreditation training programs for scientific and pedagogical personnel in graduate school (adjunct),
    The military enlistment office, IMHO, was glad that he had concluded a contract with the plant and decided that he was not full-time.
    I don’t think that a powerful precedent will arise - not all boobies sit around with boobies ...
    1. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 12: 38 New
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      how could they even find out about the contract with the factory?)))
    2. Sul Carnine 13 August 2019 15: 43 New
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      Andrey, the whole difficulty lies in the timely provision of supporting documents and the timing of the movement of these documents along the bureaucratic ladder.
  7. vnord 13 August 2019 12: 28 New
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    ,,, only one thing is not clear to me, if postgraduate studies give a deferment from conscription, and he is so smart, how he got into the army. He was caught and forcibly taken away, forced to take the oath?

    It’s just that the military registration and enlistment office didn’t extend the delay, but their plan is on fire ..... But couldn’t pay off or didn’t want to ..
    1. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 12: 38 New
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      it doesn’t happen that way.
      1. evgic 13 August 2019 12: 55 New
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        It happens not so yet. At 89 or so, a friend of mine entered college. Released as a lieutenant, then Chechnya. He came on vacation to his hometown. The next day, the police to him, and so a citizen such and such, let’s go. And he is in civilian life, without a certificate. And to his draft board as an ardent deviator. Parents had to bring him a uniform and a certificate. Then they really apologized and covered the clearing.
        1. carstorm 11 13 August 2019 12: 59 New
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          Now is the year 2019. they do not catch conscripts on the streets.
          1. evgic 13 August 2019 13: 06 New
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            Well, Kamchatka is not Moscow or Peter. And most likely the draftee himself was not particularly quick. I didn’t bring a certificate, or even forgot and relaxed. But the commissar did not forget))), he writes. Or, as an option, the conscript forgot, he was tied up, he began to be rude, then the certificate was "lost" and he got the opportunity to spend an exciting year and a half of his life in the army.
          2. Severok 13 August 2019 21: 42 New
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            Even as they catch. My friend, the double bass, was almost tied up during the holidays! Well, that one had a soldier’s certificate with him and a vacation!
        2. Tamer 13 August 2019 13: 31 New
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          And your friend did not register with the military enlistment office?
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            You mean on arrival on vacation? Did not have time. I thought nothing would happen in a couple of days
            1. Tamer 13 August 2019 13: 37 New
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              Yes, upon arrival on vacation.
              The military registration and enlistment office in the same way brought me to draft dodgers, as well as your friend laughing They just didn’t detain me, but threatened my parents with criminal liability for sheltering the offender wassat
  8. Roman070280 13 August 2019 12: 35 New
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    However, the Ministry of Defense will not pay the declared almost 300 thousand rubles, as the department noted that money was spent in the amount of about 102 thousand rubles for the maintenance of a draftee.


    Well, actually, the conscript didn’t ask himself to be kept ..
    Moreover, he didn’t sunbathe there, I think, with this money .. but he fulfilled the duties that were assigned to him .. He ran with a gun, protecting Shoigu .. instead of a contractor .. How did he save a lot of money for the Moscow Region ..
    1. Revival 13 August 2019 12: 54 New
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      That's right, the offset in this case is contrary to the civil code
  9. Million 13 August 2019 12: 48 New
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    Well, the love of the current "homeland" is also worth the money)
  10. monah 13 August 2019 12: 51 New
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    Quote: The same Lech
    Mdaaa survived ... what the hell is such an army conscript ... I would kick him out of the military registration and enlistment office ... the defender of the motherland is called ... he will also sell his homeland for 300 rubles and a jar of jam.

    I agree! My father was called up in 39 with the 3rd year, got to Finnish, then the Second World War only demobilized at 46 and never got offended, never filed suits, finished his studies after the war !!!
    1. Kronos 13 August 2019 14: 34 New
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      Now is not the Second World War, we are not at war with anyone
      1. PSih2097 13 August 2019 18: 58 New
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        Quote: Kronos
        Now is not the Second World War, we are not at war with anyone

        well, it’s yet ... more than half a century has passed, so ...
        About once in a century, Russia is seriously confronted with the Western powers. After leaving the Middle Ages, the first such test fell on the Time of Troubles of the Russian state (early 17th century), and a very successful test came out for the conquerors: the Poles captured Moscow and held it for about two years, but ... they ended badly anyway.
        In the complete absence of a supreme acting legitimate authority, the people themselves gathered a militia and expelled the interventionists (1612). Citizen Minin and Prince Pozharsky saved the country and modestly stepped aside: take power, the elite!
        The elite, I must admit, did not disappoint. The newly elected Romanovs pacified Poland with Sweden, forcing them to recognize their right to rule Russia in new treaties. After one regular period, they once again educated the Poles in the local area and took control of Left-Bank Ukraine. Good!
        At the beginning of the 18th century, Peter the Great clashed with the strongest army in Europe, the Swedes, fought for two decades and returned to Russia its natural Baltic possessions. Itself became an emperor, and made the country an empire. Credit and respect!
        Again a century passes, again the pan-European mess with our participation. 1812, Napoleon in Moscow, Napoleon leaves, Napoleon loses. Alexander Pavlovich enters Paris and draws new European borders at the Vienna Congress. The West catches the buzz from the northern stable installations. But everything passes, as you know. The watershed is the pacification of the revolution in Hungary (1848-1849) by Nikolai Pavlovich. "Barbarians should not rule Europe!"
        Nicholas I himself admitted his mistake:
        From that moment on, the Habsburg state stood firmly on its feet; her "political recovery," as the reactionary press wrote, she soon used against Russia itself. Nicholas realized this quite late — only in 1854 — when the hostile position of Austria became quite clear. Talking with the adjutant general Count Rzhevusk, a Polish native, Nikolai asked him: “Which of the Polish kings, in your opinion, was the most stupid? .. I will tell you,” he continued, “that the most stupid Polish king was Jan Sobieski, because that he freed Vienna from the Turks. And the stupidest of the Russian sovereigns is me, because I helped the Austrians suppress the Hungarian rebellion. " Nikolai understood his political mistake only when nothing could be corrected.
        The defeat in the Crimean War (1853-1856) is the cruelest lesson in Russia. The Black Sea Fleet was lost to her for many years. Time to collect stones ... Half a century of respite and self-destruction of autocratic power.
        The First World War and the subsequent intervention of the Entente (1914-1920) take place against the backdrop of the collapse of the Russian Empire. The reformatting is complete, but the country is literally miraculously consolidating at a new level and with a new government.
        The Second World War does not fit into any historical framework, it is entirely an improvisation of Hitler. The West did not manage to come to an agreement with it for some unclear reasons, completely lost the first stage (1939-1941) and was forced to create an anti-Hitler coalition with the Soviet Union, constantly substituting it with the opening of a second front. Fascism in general turned out to be an unpredictable formation, the Anglo-Saxons back then, in the late 1930s, stupidly blundered. But Russia cannot be the ideological ally of Europe by definition, it cannot be all there!
        Immediately after the war, the West is trying to correct its greatest mistake and plans a revenge - the nuclear bombing of the USSR, appointing it for 1957. This is the same thing that the bourgeoisie and the Bolsheviks wanted to do in civilian life a generation ago, and again, failure, did not dare to engage in a full-scale war with great risk of losing. Thinking right, they changed tactics to soft power - and won the next generation, not without the active help of high-ranking communist traitors!
        Do you remember? 1957 - first satellite ... 1993 - first voucher ...
        President Boris Yeltsin, the shooting of parliament from tanks, the convening of the State Duma, the new Constitution of Russia (current) ...
        It turned out that the liberals did not finish Russia. In just seven years, the practically Soviet anthem is being restored by the new president-successor ... the Russian army is beginning to revive ... Russia is meeting a new world order, trying to dictate some of its conditions ... Munich speech ... War 08.08.08 .. Crimea ... Syria ...
        What do you want the democratic endangered West to do? Civilizational pride and resentment for European multiculture does not give up paws.
        Baby Tsahes has not yet rotted, he hasn’t died yet!
        So, my forecast is: a serious military conflict between the designated parties in the region of 2025-2028. Already after the formal departure of the current president of Russia. Before dare not dare? During the life of Stalin, the Anglo-Saxons did not make such attempts, justifiably drifted ...
        1. Kronos 13 August 2019 19: 05 New
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          Conspiracy theories are no more and ravings about an endangered west
          1. PSih2097 13 August 2019 19: 12 New
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            In vain you are so, an explosion is inevitable, only where and when it will be bombed is a matter of time - there are too many contradictions after the beginning of the end of colonial politics ... India and Pakistan, CA, UAE and Iran, etc.
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              About the fact that the war is quite possible I do not argue, but by no means with Russia but China - against the United States as real opponents
  11. Barmaleyka 13 August 2019 12: 53 New
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    with a microscope, you can also hammer nails, the question is how much is it profitable
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      Quote: Barmaleyka
      with a microscope, you can also hammer nails, the question is how much is it profitable

      If necessary, it is possible, if life depends on it. A dead microscope is unnecessary!
      1. Barmaleyka 13 August 2019 13: 27 New
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        probably that’s why some “microscopes” weren’t even close to the front
      2. Prisoner 13 August 2019 15: 36 New
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        And what would a complete kirdyk be without troops for this graduate student? It’s not his fault that the dubber has gathered in the all-consortium. soldier
  12. prapor55 13 August 2019 12: 54 New
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    How much would the country's defense capability suffer if a graduate student working at an aircraft factory did not go to serve? Indeed, judging by the amount of the claim, he was not called to a scientific company. request
  13. georggy 13 August 2019 13: 03 New
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    Yeah. I don’t understand what deserters and self-arrows do (on IN) here
    1. Mikhail Zarokov 14 August 2019 03: 28 New
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      Do you write from a burning tank?
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  14. Prisoner 13 August 2019 15: 32 New
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    I did it right. That would be to take the employees of the Vonekom for a wallet so that they would not fool around.
  15. sibiryak.vitya 13 August 2019 16: 18 New
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    Quote: bubalik
    hi ,,, only one thing is not clear to me, if postgraduate studies give a deferment from conscription, and he is so smart, how he got into the army. He was caught and forcibly taken away, forced to take the oath?

    You just are not familiar with the principles of law obedience. First you need to implement the decision of the state agency, and then appeal. You would probably lean your horn and mow, and resist, avoiding the call. But then you yourself would come under the press of justice. And then at first they got what they deserved, and then, perhaps, the court would reverse the decision of the military commissariat. But your fate would be broken.
  16. sibiryak.vitya 13 August 2019 16: 37 New
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    And what would a complete kirdyk be without troops for this graduate student? It’s not his fault that the dubber has gathered in the all-consortium. soldier

    It turns out that he MAY send the state in three letters. just because he has a higher education and he continues to study, but not for millions?
    Encouraged, go to serve. Unfairly done to him, get compensation. But, at the same time, this clever girl did not become a deserter, and a criminal.
    Unlike you. You do not have enough brains to understand what is right and how.
    Then imagine, a police patrol takes you on the street. You didn't do anything. And, what, will you prove your innocence by scuffle, stabbing and shooting? Then you will simply be crushed by an armored personnel carrier. Not because you haven't done anything BEFORE this, but for resistance. No, you will fulfill the requirement, and then you will write a complaint to the prosecutor.
  17. SASHA OLD 13 August 2019 16: 48 New
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    if they really called for it illegally, then everything is correct: the Moscow Oblast is obliged to answer for this.
    the main thing is that "advanced youth" now does not rush to the courts after the service with the wording: "Both me and me, and I, too, were illegally called!"
    since we live in a state based on the rule of law, laws must be respected, and punishment ...
    After all, the precedent could work in the opposite direction: if a person was called up illegally and the court ignored this, then they will be dragged in packs to the army of full-time students, which is also not gut ...
    but in general it’s necessary to serve in the army!
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      Quote: SASHA OLD
      but in general it’s necessary to serve in the army!

      Not all and not always.
  18. tolancop 13 August 2019 17: 11 New
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    "... However, the Ministry of Defense will not pay the declared almost 300 thousand rubles, as the department noted that money was spent in the amount of about 102 thousand rubles for the maintenance of the draftee. As a result, about 188,5 thousand rubles will be returned to the graduate student from the treasury of the Ministry of Defense .. . "
    I would have sued further .... for these 102 thousand rubles, since the municipal services were obviously imposed ... for the maintenance of the conscript ...
  19. barsuk 13 August 2019 17: 27 New
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    In general, you need to adopt a law that officially allows you to pay off military service. Agree, if a young man can afford to make the necessary amount of money so that another (specially trained person) serves for him, then you need to give him such an opportunity. Everyone will benefit from this. New professions and jobs will appear. And the young man will not have to lose a year of his life working for a bowl of soup.
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    oh my god! I’m bursting into tears right before the year has already been cut and then ... zapadlo! I served two, and from the second year Iorets were taken .. well, so what? He returned, caught up with EVERYTHING and more than ..
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      Region-25.rus, it’s not the term of service, but the observance of the law when drafting ... If an illegally drafted person was able to seize a certain amount from the MO, then very good. The military commissar will be cleared from above, perhaps his colleagues will be less inattentive to existing legal norms.
  21. sibiryak.vitya 13 August 2019 17: 54 New
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    Quote: SASHA OLD
    if they really called for it illegally, then everything is correct: the Moscow Oblast is obliged to answer for this.
    the main thing is that "advanced youth" now does not rush to the courts after the service with the wording: "Both me and me, and I, too, were illegally called!"
    since we live in a state based on the rule of law, laws must be respected, and punishment ...
    After all, the precedent could work in the opposite direction: if a person was called up illegally and the court ignored this, then they will be dragged in packs to the army of full-time students, which is also not gut ...
    but in general it’s necessary to serve in the army!

    Yes, let them break. If they’re right, they will receive compensation, and military enlistment offices will catch mice as they should, and not for show. If not right, then litigation costs will increase the country's GDP. Good too.
  22. sibiryak.vitya 13 August 2019 18: 00 New
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    Quote: barsuk
    In general, you need to adopt a law that officially allows you to pay off military service. Agree, if a young man can afford to make the necessary amount of money so that another (specially trained person) serves for him, then you need to give him such an opportunity. Everyone will benefit from this. New professions and jobs will appear. And the young man will not have to lose a year of his life working for a bowl of soup.

    I’m completely crazy. Divide the country into castes. For those who will be sent in their place. If now this is done through illegal fraud, then later it will be in the order of things. Who do you belong to, not those who will protect you and your geek in case of what? You don’t have enough of Mary Baghdasaryan, who spits on everyone, including you, frankly considering us all to be rubbish. Do you want to breed such hundreds of thousands? Then for sure, stabbing it will not end. They will bring down such people in the entrances and squares in the hundreds. No, you need first and foremost, and for a few terms in the Army. And so that nothing like that would come to the bad head anymore. As we have said, that the service does not seem to be honey.
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    While I was studying in-person, I missed two appeals. When he came to the military registration and enlistment office at the end of his studies, he started to frighten the prison with the first thing, when he opened the case and saw two deviations. I answered him that I studied full-time, although the case indicated that I was expelled. Provided a diploma, then he combed his turnips. Then he decided to look through the case in order to understand how this happened. It turned out that I was studying in another city, they sent a request to the military registration and enlistment office of this city, and they didn’t really bother to write about the separation. Mat stood for about 5 minutes, since it was necessary to close the wanted file. I don’t know how it all ended for the military commissar, but I was given a list of dates and units and said choose yourself when and where. Here is a story. True and the times were then 95-97gg
  24. Dzafdet 13 August 2019 19: 24 New
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    I have one friend who was married, having flown out of the 3rd year of the institute, at the draft board said that he was not married. Aunts called the military commissar, he asked again: not married? Yes! He put the stamp in the passport below the stamp about marriage "marital status is single." The clown came from the army, went to social security with his wife. And to him: you are not married, he had to sign for the second time and register a marriage at the registry office. He personally checked his passport, everything is so ...
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    Quote: Forcecom
    My friend had a better situation, he was Suvorovets, then he studied together at VVMURE, and so, all the time he studied at a military school, every call to his house came to take him to the soldiers, and each time he went in uniform to the military registration and enlistment office and explained that for a long time serves, the last time they came after him after graduation, we just sat at something celebrating, in general, the three of us could barely take the dirk off him and pull him away from the military commissariat major, a friend wanted to leave a notch on his loin “for memory” . They didn’t seem to come anymore.
    One more from the company on vacation after the first year on the street was raked, the company then went to the training school to pick it up. So the headaches of the military commissar fools (if not worse) are enough.

    You read like that - and you come to the conclusion that the famous saying needs to be supplemented: do not renounce the prison and from the bag and from the service)))
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    The military commissar officials are specific people. They often seek to implement the appeal plan at the expense of "not their own." In the early 2000s, when I served at the Kapustin Yar training ground, my son entered the Volgograd Polytechnic. He was registered in the military at the place of permanent registration. And then she comes and says that they demand to be registered with the Volgograd military registration and enlistment office, show the issued paper, where they are afraid of criminal liability. I told him that there is no violation and nothing needs to be changed. Some of his classmates did register at the place of study and forgot about it before graduation. And then the most interesting thing happened. Upon graduation, along with a roundabout leaflet, happy non-Volgograd graduates received summons from this Volgograd military registration and enlistment office, helping the latter to fulfill the draft plan. Of course you need to serve in the army. But there is no need to succumb to the cunning tricks of officials.