In India, announced the purchase of upgraded MiG-29 at "bargain prices"

In India, information was confirmed that for the country's air force modernized versions of the MiG-29 fighters will be purchased from Russia. At the same time, traditionally for India, the opinions of experts were divided. Critics of the contract have stated that the Indian Air Force should receive “exclusively modern combat aircraft, and not rely on Aviation past generations. "


In India, announced the purchase of upgraded MiG-29 at "bargain prices"


Meanwhile, the OneIndia publication notes that the purchase of the upgraded MiG-29 is very profitable, as it is carried out “almost at a bargain price”. If you believe the data of this Indian publication, Russia will supply the aforementioned modernized aircraft (with the latest avionics and weapons systems) for the Indian Air Force at a price of 200 crore apiece (crore is an Indian measure equal to 10 million). This is about 1,8 billion rubles (27,6 million dollars). For example: non-modernized MiG-29 with weapons are estimated at approximately 700-800 million rubles.

OneIndia adds that this kind of purchase will cost the Indian treasury significantly cheaper than an additional purchase of Rafale aircraft.

The announcement of the “bargain price” in comparison with the price for “Rafali” caused a wave of criticism among opponents of the acquisition of the MiG-29 in India. Words say that for the MiG-29 the price of 27,6 million dollars is too high, even if it went through a multi-stage modernization.

Returning to the material in the aforementioned Indian edition, one should note the hypothesis expressed by Indian journalists as to why it was the MiG-29 party that they decided to purchase for the Indian Air Force. The hypothesis is approximately the following: If the F-16 of the Pakistani Air Force was shot down in February by a modernized MiG-21 aircraft, then this proves the high efficiency of the MiG line. If we take as a basis such a logic of Indian journalists, then the chances of MiG-35 increase in the Indian market.

From the material:

Many experts express concerns that these Russian aircraft are old and not suitable for the current era of fighters. MiGs are also called "flying relics." (...) This aircraft is actually 33 years old, but it still remains effective armory a platform. TTX MiG-29 really show that the fighter is still in good condition and modernization allows it to serve an additional 10-15 years.
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  1. Victor_B 13 August 2019 07: 00 New
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    I wonder how much now the "bargain prices" on the MIG-29?
    $ 27,6 million junk?
    In general, the terminology about modernization has left for some liberal banter.
    1. bulvas 13 August 2019 09: 03 New
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      It seems (if the message is correct), the Indians decided to do the most pragmatic.

      Estimated what real threats from neighbors and made the right conclusion.

      Interestingly, they will transfer technology to the MIG-29?
      1. Victor_B 13 August 2019 09: 08 New
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        Quote: bulvas
        Interestingly, they will transfer technology to the MIG-20?

        But from this place - in more detail!
        MIG-20
        What kind of beast is this? Terrible?
        1. bulvas 13 August 2019 09: 10 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          But from this place - in more detail!
          MIG-20
          What kind of beast is this? Terrible?


          Got better
          hi
        2. Piramidon 13 August 2019 10: 25 New
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          Quote: Victor_B
          What kind of beast is this? Terrible?

          This is not a scary beast, but the keys are nearby. Typo. One could guess.
      2. igorbrsv 13 August 2019 10: 25 New
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        Yes, you just can’t buy rafals for crores. That's the whole story
      3. parkello 13 August 2019 22: 20 New
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        Well, the Indians .. as always, by bobbing, rummaging around in puddles ... galoshes will come again to buy, because they are cheap. this is how they, being a very poor country, want to buy advanced fighters and equipment? Do they have pilots? but on the topic of pilots in my opinion, no one else will take an interest except ours. amers anyhow shove their irons. and rob like sticky. so let them not whine, but buy something. what it is really possible to fly and fight. and the MiG-29SM is an excellent aircraft. Greeks in Egypt flew with their pilots. They spoke like an airplane - a very obedient machine and maneuverable. but they haven’t figured out weapons yet.
    2. Tektor 13 August 2019 11: 52 New
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      $ 27,6 million junk?
      Just Rafali Indians bought at $ 250 million in total. It turns out that for the price of one Raphael they can buy 9 new MiG-29Ms.
    3. crest 13 August 2019 12: 33 New
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      In general, we agreed on 40 lemons per unit and she was very happy with them. Perhaps at such a price he will not go so sophisticated, they order part of the avionics in Europe, or Israel. MiG-29-9.12 used sold at auction for 25 million
      Perhaps it’s just the media throwing in the information, or it’s the MiG-35’s victory (their Air Force Marshal liked it very much, Indian test pilots are sent to Russia to get acquainted with the fighter). The price of the contract is huge, maybe 9.13 will go as an "appendage". This is of course the version.
    4. Starover_Z 13 August 2019 15: 06 New
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      MiGs are also called "flying relics." (...) This aircraft is actually 33 years old

      To say and write this about the MIG-29 while still armed with the MIG-21 ?!
      They reminded me directly of a gypsy buying a horse ...
  2. mark1 13 August 2019 07: 03 New
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    If the MiG-29 -"flying relic" then F-16/21 flying artifact.
    1. Victor_B 13 August 2019 07: 05 New
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      Quote: mark1
      If the MiG-29 -"flying relic" then F-16/21 flying artifact.

      Offend the boss! (with)
      Compare warm with square!
      On the one hand, some MIG, and on the other, the kosher F-16/21.
      Remember - how much did you buy? So cheap
      "A person with disabilities in his head" - around the corner was twice as expensive!
      Funny ... Simple words do not print ...
    2. donavi49 13 August 2019 08: 45 New
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      Well, here is the issue of working on bugs:
      F-16 changed the engine, regained traction by 40 +%, and the resource generally went into space 12.ch.
      The MiG-29 received upgraded engines with MK - the thrust did not change, and the resource was dragged to 4000ch.

      F-16 receives a modern AFAR Sabr radar.
      MiG-29 flies with the ancient Beetle from 70's, which went through modernization on an elementary basis and lost a bit due to new electronics. And judging by the price + terms = Indians buy it Zhuk-M.

      F-16 is actively improving its weapons, a bunch of all kinds of toys are suspended, AIM-120 brought to C7. Containers are generally clustered from EW to stabilized thermal imaging channels to punish broads.

      The MiG is all bad with this. Thales or the American, he does not understand. Most likely, his container moved with the MiG-35 for the 2021 year (yesterday’s statement by the Air Force Commander-in-Chief). B-V missiles are also controversial. Especially relics of the P-27. Impact capabilities are also limited, because there is no container - an optical station in the upper hemisphere = detection and destruction by corrected means only through GOS bombs / missiles. What is the start level of 90's. Throwing KAB on the satellite is expensive even for Americans. For MiG, this is the only real option for today (well, or like on the IL-2 for visual detection, to bomb in a dive).
      1. Berkut752 13 August 2019 09: 46 New
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        Dear, and you were sitting at least in MiG 21. that it’s so “smart ... you’re scribbling” this “ancient” car. In Finland, the MiG 21. Cap has just been modernized. country, NATO bloc and such embarrassment ????? The name MiG alone speaks for itself.
        1. Piramidon 13 August 2019 10: 28 New
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          Quote: Berkut752
          In Finland, the MiG 21. Cap has just been modernized. country, NATO unit

          When did the Finns manage to get into NATO?
          1. kiril1246 13 August 2019 11: 54 New
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            Quote: Piramidon
            Quote: Berkut752
            In Finland, the MiG 21. Cap has just been modernized. country, NATO unit

            When did the Finns manage to get into NATO?

            Even under Lenin, as soon as they separated. And the MiG-21 was purchased at the same time.
            1. Nycomed 13 August 2019 13: 00 New
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              Funny, really, +100! good
        2. Alexey RA 13 August 2019 13: 29 New
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          Quote: Berkut752
          In Finland, the MiG 21 has just been upgraded.

          The last MiG-21 Finns were written off in 1998. They have been flying the Hornets for a long time.
        3. SovAr238A 13 August 2019 21: 30 New
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          Quote: Berkut752
          Dear, and you were sitting at least in MiG 21. that it’s so “smart ... you’re scribbling” this “ancient” car. In Finland, the MiG 21. Cap has just been modernized. country, NATO bloc and such embarrassment ????? The name MiG alone speaks for itself.



          The person says the matter, and not nonsense about MIG - Mig last 30 years breathing in the air and continues to breathe ...

          And further...
          Why are you even acting so deceitfully?
          Why are you lying about Finland?
          And about the MiG-21?
          "The last MiG-21bis in Finland was withdrawn from service in 1998."

          Are you a liar vicious ... or corrupt ..
      2. lucul 13 August 2019 11: 00 New
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        Well, here is the issue of working on bugs:
        F-16 changed the engine, regained traction by 40 +%, and the resource generally went into space 12.ch.
        The MiG-29 received upgraded engines with MK - the thrust did not change, and the resource was dragged to 4000ch.

        F-16 receives a modern AFAR Sabr radar.
        MiG-29 flies with the ancient Beetle from 70's, which went through modernization on an elementary basis and lost a bit due to new electronics. And judging by the price + terms = Indians buy it Zhuk-M.

        F-16 is actively improving its weapons, a bunch of all kinds of toys are suspended, AIM-120 brought to C7. Containers are generally clustered from EW to stabilized thermal imaging channels to punish broads.

        Aha-ahah - and all this did not prevent the ancient MiG-21 to bring down the F-16, which passed all modernizations))))
        1. donavi49 13 August 2019 13: 41 New
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          There is not a simple MiG-21, but 93 with Israeli EL / M 2032 radar and R-77 missiles wink
          Iron proofs for the downing were never dug up. That is, at the level of the second MiG / Su - from the Pakistanis who fell on the Indian side.

          And if you go like that, then the P-27ET induced by the FLIR = taken from a downed Saudi helicopter can bring down the F-15. Now consider all F-15 trash? wassat

        2. SovAr238A 13 August 2019 21: 31 New
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          Quote: lucul

          Aha-ahah - and all this did not prevent the ancient MiG-21 to bring down the F-16, which passed all modernizations))))


          And what were the fragments of the F-16?
          The wreck of the MiG-21 were ...

          I am not for the red or the white ..
          I am for honesty and truth.
      3. shans2 13 August 2019 12: 46 New
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        Tovagishch, on the MiG-29 you can put any AFAR at the request of the client, which was repeatedly mentioned in the modernization proposals, including the same one - "Zhuk-AME" - "(created by KRET Corporation (a subsidiary of" Fazotron-NIIR ", part of rostech group) and was first presented at the Airshow China 2016 exhibition in Zhuhai (China) .This ultra-modern radar was created to equip not only the MiG-35, but also fighter aircraft of the early versions of the MiG-29 family, if there is interest in their modernization through the radar. This radar can also be offered to equip promising combat aircraft.The station is capable of tracking 30 targets at the same time and providing for the firing of six of them (for ground targets - four), has a mode of exchanging information with other aircraft.RMM (receiving and transmitting modules) are made of light heat-resistant ceramics using 3D technology, which allowed to reduce the thickness of the antenna sheet to less than 10 cm together with power supplies and control units (10 cm together with th e power supply sources and control units). According to the developer, this station is much more advanced than modern radars of this class. The maximum detection range of air targets brought up to 260 km, the mass of the radar is only about 100 kg. "(c) vpk.name. Nobody has that, especially F-16.
        Suspended containers already in the series - T220 / E, they are equipped with the latest Egyptian MiG-29M / M2
        1. donavi49 13 August 2019 13: 47 New
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          1) Any AFAR is strong. Though because if some Leonardo (one of the leading radar radar companies in Europe) is even tempted, they will fly so painfully from the USA that it’s not a fact that they will survive it. As for Zhuk-AM - Tarasenko said clearly, now the contract with Moscow Oblast under his old face (Zhuk-M) and the main task of the enterprise is to hand over the aircraft (tests) in the 2019 year. AFAR developments are underway and after the delivery of the aircraft (2019), the corporation will work to refine it and conduct tests on the aircraft. I translate - the radar is not ready for delivery. At the exhibition you can carry at least 20 years of layouts.
          Yesterday, the commander-in-chief said it was rather incomprehensible - the MiG-35 VKS plans to certify (in other words, close GOSy) in the 2021 year. That is, immediately + 2 of the year from the words of Tarasenko on November 2018 of the year. Therefore, questions arose immediately or they will immediately close the GOS with the AFAR and the second-stage board (Tarasenko promised a large-scale package of updates on electronics in the 20 year) - then it is clear why 21, or jambs got out.

          2) T220 - not pictured in Egypt. There is only in Lukhovitsy - where they practiced pairings and stuff on the export face. T220 has not yet been tested - or rather, they are doing it now. In Zhukovsky, the Su-35 still flew with it - also as part of the tests, just recently. Why as part of the test? 902 board - this is the second experienced, these are OKBshny boards, which are used as part of flight tests and LL now.
          1. shans2 13 August 2019 14: 54 New
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            T220 / E were delivered to Egypt under a contract; those who follow know it, even on the BMPD blog it was, 19 pieces were ordered
        2. SovAr238A 13 August 2019 21: 50 New
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          Quote: shans2
          Tovagishch, on the MiG-29 you can put any AFAR at the request of the client


          It is however a pearl ...
          Impossible ... Especially any ...

          Quote: shans2
          Suspended containers already in the series - T220 / E, they are equipped with the latest Egyptian MiG-29M / M2


          Not a single valid sample. except for exhibition layouts does not exist. Still. manufacturing company - under investigation .. Stop lying.
  3. andrewkor 13 August 2019 07: 12 New
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    Where the Indians begin to bargain, there the logic ends!
    1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 08: 08 New
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      Quote: andrewkor
      , there the logic ends!

      Most likely, normal logic fails when Indian lol
  4. Mikhail Drabkin 13 August 2019 07: 12 New
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    ... the hypothesis expressed by Indian journalists as to why it was the MiG-29 party that they decided to purchase: .... If the Pakistani Air Force F-16 was shot down in February by a modernized MiG-21 aircraft, then this proves the high efficiency of the MiG line.


    Yeah ... everything in this story is incredible, but with this logic - it's a test ball, or fake.
  5. rotmistr60 13 August 2019 07: 17 New
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    Ordinary Indian swara when acquiring military equipment. Opponents immediately appear lobbying exclusively for the American and French lineups and begin to pour mud not only on their opponents, but also on Russian equipment often without even comparing technical specifications. But since such "finicky", then ask the United States F-35, which is nowhere to be advertised. Or money problems? Or maybe the reluctance of the United States to sell?
    1. Berkut752 13 August 2019 09: 59 New
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      You are absolutely right, You need to follow the news, MORE 8 years ago, the Egyptians on MiG 29 (they didn’t need half the cockpit to be turned off with a modernized MiG 29 plane) won 10 out of 1 fights in a training battle (ONE)
  6. Rostislav 13 August 2019 08: 00 New
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    Indian "analysts" and "experts" listen to what to visit at the bazaar. TRP yells louder, he is right. Moreover, each about his own, not listening to what the neighbor is broadcasting there.
    1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 08: 09 New
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      Quote: Rostislav
      TRP yells louder, he is right.

      What is yelling? belay lol
    2. Berkut752 13 August 2019 10: 01 New
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      YOU ARE EXPERDD, ASH CREEP.
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    1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 09: 13 New
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      Quote: Desdecado
      Our pilots could fly and train on these aircraft.

      There are other planes for training. Yes, and not everyone will sell
      Well, why not sell part of what they themselves practically refused
      a lot of things came from the USSR

      Well yes. The USSR did not sell anything. Didn’t trade with anyone, just give out and give away?
      1. Nycomed 13 August 2019 10: 21 New
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        Why not selling? They sold or exchanged goods that our people needed, which we ourselves could not produce. Cuba-sugar, India-tea, jeans and mohair, Hungary and Bulgaria-products, Czech shoes, Poland-cosmetics. But the "cannibals", indeed, were handed out and presented only for hands raised in our favor at the UN.
        1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 10: 39 New
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          Quote: Nycomed
          which we ourselves could not produce. Cuba Sugar

          Have you tried it yourself?
          No one bought it.
          And bought on a debt of friendship supported the Cuban economy, which was under the tight sanctions of the miners
          1. Nycomed 13 August 2019 10: 50 New
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            I tried and bought, there was no other. I agree, sugar is bad, not sweet. It was necessary to take all debts from Cuba with tobacco, rum and coffee. These are their truly world-class products!
            1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 10: 55 New
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              Quote: Nycomed
              I tried and bought, there was no other

              I don’t know about you, but we always had sugar before the “perestroika”
              1. SovAr238A 13 August 2019 21: 53 New
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                Quote: Lipchanin
                Quote: Nycomed
                I tried and bought, there was no other

                I don’t know about you, but we always had sugar before the “perestroika”


                And we never ...
                In the city of Kuibyshev, sugar never lay on the shelves.
                since 1975 ... Since then. when they started sending me to the store for shopping.
            2. meandr51 14 August 2019 12: 57 New
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              Now this unsweetened brown sugar is called environmentally friendly and is sold several times more expensive than refined beet.
              1. Nycomed 14 August 2019 13: 01 New
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                This is just a tribute to fashion, which has already begun to decline. winked
          2. 26rus 13 August 2019 13: 56 New
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            If not in the subject, it is better to remain silent. The USSR in Cuba did not buy pure sugar, but raw for further processing. The fact is that the production of sugar from beets is very quick, it is impossible to stretch it in time, the sugar content in raw materials drops very quickly. If there were no supplies of raw, sugar factories in the USSR would have to be stopped somewhere after the New Year until the next harvest. So raw purchases were necessary to stabilize production.
            1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 14: 12 New
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              Who are you shouting to?
        2. Revolver 13 August 2019 19: 26 New
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          Quote: Nycomed
          They sold or exchanged goods necessary for our people

          And what did they have from the Arabs, and in particular, Syria? For Arafat, a great friend of the USSR, I am finally silent.
          1. Nycomed 13 August 2019 20: 04 New
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            Syrian cigarettes were, I remember, not bad, by the way. The cologne was in large funfriki, almost half a liter: drunks were very respected. The fabrics were not bad, now I looked at my curtains, it was from the Syrian material that the deceased mother was still sewing. And Comrade Towelnts, he is Arafat, tossed anti-Semitism into our firebox when our bonfire began to fade.
      2. Desdecado 14 August 2019 14: 56 New
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        The USSR had a lot of aviation - different and different, even though the power was "squeezed" to the size of the RSFSR, but nevertheless there is something to fly over ... and squandering far-outdated equipment against the background of general industrial degradation is criminal!
  8. Nycomed 13 August 2019 10: 15 New
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    "the chances of the MiG-35 are increasing in the Indian market."
    Yesterday it was announced that the MiG-35 will pass the state. tests in 2021.
    1. Lipchanin 13 August 2019 10: 40 New
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      Quote: Nycomed
      Yesterday it was announced that the MiG-35 will pass the state. test in 2021

      But the export version has already passed the sorting and permission to sell
  9. Stepych 13 August 2019 10: 45 New
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    Pakistan is an ally of the United States.
    If the Hindus bought Rafali from France, a member of the NATO bloc, then, by order of the United States, they would easily have stopped supplying arms and spare parts for the Rafals. And then, then, how to fight with Pakistan?
    I think they came from these considerations.
  10. Berkut24 13 August 2019 11: 49 New
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    Hindus are doing everything right. This is not a replacement for Rafal, but a replacement for the MIG-21. The Indians have operational experience, weapons and airfield equipment; these MIGs will be put into operation immediately.
  11. Mentat 13 August 2019 14: 20 New
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    Quote: donavi49
    Well, here is the issue of working on bugs:
    F-16 changed the engine, regained traction by 40 +%, and the resource generally went into space 12.ch.
    The MiG-29 received upgraded engines with MK - the thrust did not change, and the resource was dragged to 4000ch.

    F-16 receives a modern AFAR Sabr radar.
    MiG-29 flies with the ancient Beetle from 70's, which went through modernization on an elementary basis and lost a bit due to new electronics. And judging by the price + terms = Indians buy it Zhuk-M.

    F-16 is actively improving its weapons, a bunch of all kinds of toys are suspended, AIM-120 brought to C7. Containers are generally clustered from EW to stabilized thermal imaging channels to punish broads.

    The MiG is all bad with this. Thales or the American, he does not understand. Most likely, his container moved with the MiG-35 for the 2021 year (yesterday’s statement by the Air Force Commander-in-Chief). B-V missiles are also controversial. Especially relics of the P-27. Impact capabilities are also limited, because there is no container - an optical station in the upper hemisphere = detection and destruction by corrected means only through GOS bombs / missiles. What is the start level of 90's. Throwing KAB on the satellite is expensive even for Americans. For MiG, this is the only real option for today (well, or like on the IL-2 for visual detection, to bomb in a dive).

    Your Chinese comrades use the "ancient" Beetle on their J-10s and do not cough. In the United States, the SABR upgrade was ordered for a total of 72 F-16s. With the total number of F-16s built, I will remind you, such a handsome corrector of "mistakes", 4604 units. Do you realize the scale of the upgrade? Even in the USA, in fact, they did not agree to this, and the Indians, of course, must buy it.

    You write about the AIM-120 upgrades, but somehow you forget that the MiG-29 can carry modern weapons.
    About the "controversial BB missiles" in general is some kind of marketing nonsense.

    As for the “strike capabilities,” the MiG-29 is actually a light front-line fighter, which, therefore, surpasses the F-16 multi-role fighter in a number of ways just like a highly specialized fighter.

    You write some nonsense about engines in general, the “error fixer” somehow accidentally forgot that the F-16 had one engine, and before modernization it looked completely dry, and now it has not reached the characteristics of the MiG-29.
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    It seems to me that they are buying the MiG-29 in order to gut it and rebuild it with Israeli electronics. This is the cheapest option to get a 4+ generation aircraft. As I understand it, there are simply no cheaper MiG-29 aircraft of the 4th generation on the international market.
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    F-16 was not shot down. They're lying about Bander logs.
  15. Adimius38 14 August 2019 06: 42 New
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    it is not clear what is the benefit for Russia to sell aircraft at such bargain prices. I could still understand if the planes were from some sort of landfill and after modernization were sold to India. We are talking about the new upgraded Mig-29 which in 2013 at a dollar exchange rate of 33-36 rubles was worth 22 million green. It turns out again the fraternal assistance of India))) at the expense of the taxpayer’s pocket
  16. Pavel57 14 August 2019 09: 43 New
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    But not the "Algerian" is the MiG-29?